Critical Transition | Iberia Airlines Flight 933

[@2345allthebest]

man that's the most flight hours combined I've seen in a cockpit yet-glad they all lived

[@rexbentley8332]

Yeah that's all history. What have ya done lately?

[@robbiebunge859]

I noticed that too

[@TT-ch2pz]

All those flight hours in an aircraft that is very up to date.

[@jorgecallico9177]

Aint that the truth Richard! Might as well hsve had Wilbur & Orville Wright in the cockpit... Too bad that aircraft can't send a short blast of jets directly at the ground whenever they need extra loft in an emergency.

[@mohammadshakir4879]

Wow 34k and 20 k

[@stevelogan5475]

Just goes to show you, all those hours of flight experience by the crew, and situations can still go to shit in a heartbeat

[@TheItsmegp46]

Wind shear was not well understood or well known 45 years ago. Today, we have instruments that detect such weather issues.

[@stevelogan5475]

itsmegp46 very true, i was just talking in general, that something can go wrong quickly , and no amount of flight experience , no matter how many hours, can help in certain situations

[@stevelogan5475]

itsmegp46 also, it was on aircraft carriers where wind shear started being looked into very seriously, due to pilot breifings

[@stevelogan5475]

itsmegp46 yeah, we did not have the most modern technology then, as we do today, 35 years ago, flying for allegheny, most all instrumentation was analog and not digital, and radar screen was green, with black background, heck, atari video games had better graphics back then,lol.

[@JTEsterkamp]

think about how much worse this incident could have gone though? The pilots in this situation were obviously highly experienced and able to get the plane down relativity safely. An inexperienced pilot would probably panic and do something stupid like overcompensate on the pitch correction.

[@karlwelin7932]

Wind shear used to take down a lot of planes. Let me tell you, the human eye can Not detect wind shear and on final approach, before detection devices were installed, if you survived it, you would never forget it.

[@DifficultFlannel]

So relieved when it said "everyone on board survived" Great video.

[@DifficultFlannel]

@chrome book 👀

[@roberthagedorn290]

Someone else probably noticed this, but the captain had 21,705 hours of flying time, while the first officer had 34,189 hours--quite a difference. Both pilots were approximately the same age. This was a bit of a reversal of the usual.

[@16MedicRN]

That made me wonder... Just an ER nurse that loves aviation, but I saw that.

[@jstenberg3192]

Stunning pics at the end. Well done. 90,000 hours of experience in that cockpit. Wow. Glad everyone survived...too bad it didn't ring more alarm bells about windsheer.

[@heathen2487]

This video makes 5 or 6 in a row that I've watched where everyone survives. Incredible and so happy for those passengers.

[@zachg9065]

Clicks on video, notices that it's a DC-10. Knows that no matter what it's going to crash.

[@bendover9411]

That's bc you're ill-informed!

[@roykliffen9674]

@Kimmy Middleton Only the early DC-10's had technical issues, mostly in the seventies when the aircraft got it's bad reputation. Ever since those technical issues were solved its safety has been exemplary resulting in an above average overall safety rating. Besides this crash involved wind shear, which has brought down many aircraft of all types.

[@barriewinstanley3124]

I dont know why but I always get the same feeling..... Im sure there are as many problems involving other aircraft but maybe because the MD airplanes seem distinctive for some reason. Looking at the photos its a beautiful aircraft....

[@dougm1343]

That is an incredible amount of flying time for every crew member.... And yet they crashed the plane. Goes to show you that even the most experienced crew can still encounter problems that they can't over come.

[@matthewwolverton9742]

"The plane is a 9 month old McDonald Douglas DC-10". Press F to pay respects

[@celtc2128]

in 1979, the engine fell of the wing during takeoff

[@roykliffen9674]

@@celtc2128 Yeah, about that ...... it had nothing to do with the design of the DC-10. It was due to gross incompetence on the part of maintenance that found a way to save some money by throwing out the maintenance handbook and invent their own, cheaper way of working. They fatally damaged the plane causing it to fail in a different way than it was designed to fail. Yes, you read that correctly: "designed to fail". If the loads on the engine for whatever reason get to high - which could bring down the aircraft - the mounting is designed to break to let the engine fall free of the wing without causing more damage. Due to faulty maintenance it broke free differently, damaging the wing. It wasn't the engine tearing off that brought the aircraft down, it was the subsequent damage to the wing that did. BTW. In 1992 a Boeing 747 lost both right hand engines after taking off from Amsterdam Airport due to corrosion in the mounting pins.... it crashed into an apartment complex. Its engine mounts weren't damaged as such beforehand, yet nobody considers it an unsafe aircraft.

[@TijmensAviation]

Wow 34,189 hours are 1,424 and a half days

[@timmi2198]

34,189 hours of flying time, damn..

[@adamw.8579]

Whole life in cockpit?

[@martinnikolov2363]

apprx.4 years in the sky..

[@bruzote]

That's nothing. You should see my internet time. XD

[@Cthight]

Like a air caravan. He had more Time in the Air then i in my lessons.

[@DarkSideChess]

Still fewer hours than I spent playing Civilization

[@ciprian7243]

That is an impressive amount of total flight hours in that cockpit. This kinda proves that even with the most experienced crews shit can still hit the fan....

[@JRobert111111]

I like at the end of these type videos that another popular person does state if the plane was destroyed, written off, or repaired and put back into service and if/when the plane was put into storage or scrapped. This would be interesting to know on your videos also Allec. Thanks and keep up the great work!

[@StaticImage]

It's always nice to see that there are no fatalities

[@DavidOldenburg1]

Funny the ad that played before the video shows happy people inside a plane going on vacation!! The irony :-)

[@AlexAviation.]

this is new I haven't herd about this accident for a while

[@b747ultimate]

Alex Whiteley Neither have I. I knew it happened :( but I never knew this much about it.

[@AlexAviation.]

B747-100 Ultimate has this been hiden away from us or forgotten?

[@voyagertwoband]

I enjoy your channel. Thank you for all the great content!

[@muffs55mercury61]

Throughout the 1970s any incident/accident involving a DC-10 was media headlines. This was one of them, happening just a year after the AA flight which lost it's cargo door over Windsor, Ontario and 10 months before Turkish flight 981.

[@jackkitchen737]

I was pleased to see that everyone survived. And also thankful that the NTSB didn't just go with "pilot error."

[@jeremypearson6852]

Thank goodness everyone survived. Not really much any pilot could do in that situation.

[@bench8535]

Is there a sandstorm going on in the backround

[@bruzote]

I thought they were flying over Cape Code on a windy day.

[@Timbrock1000]

INTERESTING, BUT HOW ABOUT MAKING A VIDEO ABOUT THE STOLEN BOEING 727? On May 25, 2003, at Quatro deFevereieo Airport in Angola, two men, American pilot Ben Padilla and Mechanic John Mutanto who were employed by TAAG Angola Airlines to prepare a 28 year-old Boeing 727 to be flightworthy boarded the plane. Neither of the men were certified to fly a B727. At about 5:00 PM, the aircraft engines were started up. Without clearance from the tower, the plane began taxiing. The aircraft controllers attempted to communicate with the rogue plane, but were ignored. The plane maneuvered to a Runway, and (again), without clearance or turning on takeoff lights, the plane raced down the runway and climbed into the sky. RADAR indicated it continued gaining altitude as it turned southwest over the Atlantic Ocean. The CIA, FBI, and Scotland Yard franticly searched for the stolen plane, but to no avail. No trace of the plane or men have since been found! The plane was a Boeing 727 built in 1975 and first owned by American Airlines. On the date of the incident, the plane was owned by a U.S. aircraft leasing company, and leased to TAAG Angola Airlines.

[@Josh-xz4ec]

Damn. I have never heard of this. I hope Allec makes a video on it. It will be really interesting. Thank you for sharing that!

[@JohnMatz]

Interesting story, but don't know if it would make a good video as nobody knows what was going on in the cockpit (no radio contact, no CVR, no FDR). It would basically be "plane took off and was never heard from again."

[@Josh-xz4ec]

true lol

[@Timbrock1000]

@ JOHN MAYZ- I see your point, but there is an interesting video on this channel about the October 24, 1999 crash of PGA golfer, Payne Stewart's private jet. His plane took off for a routine flight, but at some point, veered northwest, and the pilots stopped communicating with ATC. The plane continued uncontrolled untill running out of fuel and crashing in South Dakota. Investigators determined there was a malfunction that caused decompression thus causing all onboard including Payne Stewart to faint, and so in die from lack of oxygen. This is why the pilots stopped communicating. This no response of attempted communication and uncontrolled flight has some similarities to the stolen 727, even though it's due to different causes, and no known crash of the 727 .

[@jesseearl7172]

Apples to Oranges. John makes a great point. If no one knows what happen to the plane, then a video can't be made. Your counter argument with the Payne Stewart case doesn't equal that. Yes, there was no communication, but they were aware of the flight and were tracking it, which is why fighter jets went up to check on it. They knew were it crashed and could investigate what happened. However, the 727 story that no one knows what happen, then a video can't be made. Just because you respond long with a bunch of information about nothing, doesn't mean it's correct.

[@BillClay88]

Thanks for doing this. I've lived in Boston my whole life. Always have asked and researched any devasting accidents at Logan. Fortunately never to my knowledge. Maybe this is the one I knew of or another plane that skidded off the runway maybe, but nothing catastrophic has ever happened at Logan. It's not an enormous airport, but definitely one of busiest in country.. top 15 I think, and always growing. International terminal was overhauled and upgraded. Most beautiful planes there for obvious reasons.

[@harleyhunt6073]

Eastern Airlines Flight 375 was a devastating accident at Logan, worst birdstrike accident of all time, 62 died when the plane had a birdstrike & crashed on takeoff into Winthrop bay.

[@chucklamont9778]

Highly experienced flight crew, mega hours of Flight time good news all survived. The DC-10 is handful when landing even in light winds it has its own flight characteristics which all aircraft do, but the DC-10 as well as some other aircraft requires both feet, both arms and all of your attention during landing in short it's a very difficult aircraft to land..

[@AntPDC]

Logan Airport is at Boston, Massachusetts USA (the captions merely state "Logan". Most people would not know where that is).

[@andrewloja5839]

Allec, could u please make Southern Airways Flight 242? I'd love to see that one! Nice video, by the way.

[@Kawhilight_]

I don't understand why most people hate the DC-10.

[@kristiseaman9667]

Thanks for the video! My family and I were on this flight. Not a smooth landing. We always joke that Jesus was our pilot and that’s why we survived. I was told that because of the long flight we were low on fuel and that helped the plane from not catching on fire. Safe travels!💗

[@BlueAcidball]

“In command is Captain Jesus Calderon Gaztelu” “Captain Jesus Calderon Gaztelu” “Captain Jesus Calderon” “Captain Jesus” *JESUS*

[@timonsolus]

*OH JESUS!!!*

[@williamlynd9045]

Loving that comment, Blue!!

[@IntellectualHazard]

Oh you and The Flight Channel must collaborate. That would be awesome!!keep up the great work

[@Josh-xz4ec]

The flight channel. great guy. dosn't care about money. Allec - only cares about money

[@miiliigaa1]

Allec dosent care about money. He cares about fans.

[@Josh-xz4ec]

LOL. if he cared about fans why wouldn't he get a better simulator

[@chanio1179]

He said fs2004 has all things he need.

[@rosannecoffman1933]

Another great video, Alec.Thanks

[@kaellingen]

I like the DC-10 design. But an MD-11 is much safer.

[@Josh-xz4ec]

The DC-10 Is the safest plane to fly today

[@TheSjuris]

Sam tyler yet unless your a box, your never going to do it.

[@Josh-xz4ec]

LOL

[@WASIURPA]

Md-11 landings are dangerous

[@AllecJoshuaIbay]

xXAskJeremyThatXx The MD-11 was the DC-10s successor

[@winterffly8390]

Flying back then was just death huh. Its amazing that everyone survived this crash.

[@bonavinter]

You really, really should make a video on Uruguayan airforce flight 571 next! Such a famous plane crash really oughta be covered in your channel.

[@nivek7631]

When the first officer has more flying hours that the captain

[@gregorybaker330]

My colleague flew both MD11 and DC 10-30/10 for Fed Ex and said they were a safe plane but difficult to land in crosswinds due to the small rudder and engine location and the landing sequence with gear down /groundloop etc made for a botched landing ala Narita dc10 accident when he thought the nose gear was on the runway when it wasnt

[@Timbrock1000]

@ JAMES EARL. The fact the incident of the 727 being stolen being unsolved is what makes it so intriguing. It's a mystery that begs the questions: What was the motive? How must it have been pulled off? Did the plane crash in the ocean? If it did crash, why hasn't one fragment of wreckage been found? If it didn't crash, where might the plane be today (15 years later)?, what happened to the two men? And of course (and perhaps mist disturbing), what may become of the plane? Perhaps to be used as a missile like those on 9/11? It's a mystery with many unanswered questions that leaves us thinking. That's why it could make for a intriguing video.

[@Jibriltz]

A lot of commenters are writing about Flight hours. Flight hours are only an indication of experience. If you have had 5000 hours instructing on Senecas then that gives you little to no aid when flying a Boeing 737. Equally it makes a difference what kind of flying you're doing. If I were to fly Amsterdam to Fuerteventura every day I'd pick up 8-10 hours every day and probably learn very little. But if I were to fly Barcelona - Naples I might only pick up about 4 hours of flight experience in total but get a lot more real experience. The really experienced pilots will always be very honest about making mistakes and admit they're still learning.

[@flybyairplane3528]

I do remember this flight, also at LOGAN a WORLD airlines , ran off the field into the bay, I believe it was ice.Regarding DC10s, I kept flying them with LUFTHANSA, whilst grounded in the US, I liked them, also flew on L1011 s only on Eastern for years.,most of EAL flights for me were B727-200s.

[@emilygutierrez3780]

Nice vid! Can you please do the airport IAH next?

[@theoburgess310]

the dc-10 was such a faulty aircraft, they should've know to stop producting them earlier. great video!. do s7 airlines flight 778

[@AllecJoshuaIbay]

TBshooterz Gaming, Vlogs and more! Apart from the cargo door, it wasn't really

[@theoburgess310]

I guess, and how do you decide out of which air incident to make a video on as there are so many to choose from.

[@theoburgess310]

your videos are great! :)

[@throe68]

Oh horseshit

[@Gus1966-c9o]

What great vids you put together Alec

[@rosannecoffman1933]

Great video, Alec

[@spud3790]

You should do a video on the FlyBe plane that came from Northern Ireland and lost its front landing gear but touched down with only two wheels. Good vid tho

[@fcaugsburg777]

When Jesus is flying the plane :D

[@JK-g62]

Pronouced Hay-zoo-sss

[@gregorybaker330]

Young aircraft indicates high time pilots but low time experience on DC10-30. The captain on QF 789 non stop to London from Perth had 45 hours on the 789 but 15k hours experience but they are really easy to fly

[@jonasp1893]

Thank you for another great vid.

[@MrJokkoma]

I didn't expect them to have ILS when landing planes back at 1973.

[@johnemerson1363]

ILS was around for a few years already. VASI and other visual light glide slope systems were new and sure saved some lives later on.

[@stevewhite3424]

@@johnemerson1363 I was flying ILS approaches in 1970 in a 1968 Cessna 172. VASI was also fairly common at that time.

[@johnemerson1363]

@@stevewhite3424 You are right. I do remember VASI at larger airports like Ontario International, California. By 1990 it was really getting crowded for us Cessna drivers.

[@surajvarma6638]

Now it’s said to be the most safest plane in the skies

[@arghya4NE]

Wait so you were playing and uploading at the same time ! Wow (0.0)

[@dwmzmm]

Great video and yes, all those hours of experience the cockpit crew had! Also, what became of that aircraft? Was it scrapped or repaired?

[@livinggamer_grs6066]

Wow this uploads of my flight of my auntie her flight is also 933

[@robhill9336]

You could've ended the video at 1:18. As soon as you see "McDonnell Douglas DC-10", you know something's going wrong.

[@AllecJoshuaIbay]

Rob Hill Hey, the DC-10s were known for their reliability. Especially after O'Hare. That's why FedEx still uses them

[@TheSjuris]

Allec Joshua Ibay Nobdoy really bought them in number after Ohare either.

[@AllecJoshuaIbay]

Steven Juris Yes, because it was an impressive aircraft with an unfortunate image.

[@TheSjuris]

Allec Joshua Ibay the FAA taking them out of service for 5 weeks might have something to do with it.

[@Jek_the_ripper]

Nice video! More power!

[@josemiguelmarquescampo4902]

Another excellent video, thank you! Thank God everybody survived! In 1973, I was not aware there were regular flights between Madrid and Boston. Could this flight have been re-routed? The Madrid-New York route were regular daily flights operated by Iberia, TWA, and I think Pan Am, too, though the latter perhaps in later years.

[@mervynanip9925]

This is perhaps one of the episodes where the flight survives and no one dies.

[@CommodoreJames]

Couldn't say anything about the crash, but unaware there is no alert of wind shear.

[@TheSjuris]

CommodoreCrusher9000TM Pictures everybody ignored it until Delta 191.

[@rrknl5187]

It wasn't a big deal until the jet age. When a piston powered plane encounters a windshear and loses airspeed/altitude, advancing the throttles results in an instant increase in thrust. Not so with jet engines, especially older ones. They take a bit of time to produce an increase in thrust. If you're close to the ground, there isn't enough time for the delayed thrust response. These days, we have a pretty good idea of when windshear exists and how severe it is. Plus, jet engines are more responsive than they were years ago.

[@arinerm1331]

The larger prop planes also had adjustable pitch on the blades, so at the same engine RPM you could get more thrust instantaneously using this feature.

[@1spiralman]

The video unfortunately does not show the massive damage to the plane and the terror felt by the passengers when it struck the pier extending out over the harbor and then to gain altitude for seconds only to crash again on the runway and skid all the way into the muddy marsh with the wing in full blaze. the plane ended up in two pieces. You could not even see out the window for it was dark and stormy. I know for i was on this flight on Christmas leave and i lived just a couple of blocks from the airport. I was 21 years old and just got engaged to my wife i still have thank God. Since then i have not been a big fan of flying and had to fly the same airline and a DC-10, 2 weeks later to get back to my ship. When i dived down the chute because of the fire and made it safety i can tell you i had a different look at life after this and i took nothing for granted again. P.S. It is true your life does flash in front of you and it seemed like an eternity for it to come to a stop. God bless.

[@megenberg8]

capt' will or would have become 100 years of age in 2019... time does fly!

[@peggyl2849]

Wow, calling out how many feet above the ground so calmly even knowing it was too low.......

[@JohnJohansen2]

I so like the stories where everyone survived? 😀

[@EtherealMisconduct]

Amazing video 😊😊😊

[@harrisonofcolorado8886]

The captains name was Jesus, that's why everyone survived. RIP DC-10.

[@calvincoolidge8180]

Excellent!

[@Nasa742]

Great video always love to watch these videos any clue if your going to upgrade your set up

[@Cyclist18]

When I saw the amount of flight hours in the cockpit, I knew it had to be something other than pilot error.

[@eliteschaf5697]

Every crash involved with a wind shear they ask for the VASI to be installed, but the system should already be helping the crew. The poor crew had no chance too recover the aircraft, it was already too low for actions, and it takes 7-9 seconds until the throttle command is transferred to the engine.

[@peteconrad2077]

No. The command is transferred in an instant. It’s actually physically accelerating the engine that takes time.

[@theflyingtuba]

You should do Delta 1989 the suspected highjack plane on 9/11! It’s a Boeing 767-300er. It’s the 2000’s old delta colors not the black and whit one!

[@RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVE]

0:00/0:01 DAMN IT'S GOING FAST! 1:57 Oh that's rain? Damn :P

[@realmapa6670]

You should use mods to make he quality better. Still great content 👍🏻

[@Astra-bg9sf]

Nice!

[@xx_bruh_0822]

Yes

[@narciorz]

DC-10? Why I'm not surprised?

[@GSicKz]

amazing videos on your channel, keep up the great work, could you make a video about the Lauda Air Flight 004 ?

[@scoobycarr5558]

These two events bring about the folly and the tragedy of war, and how these two former wartime enemies in today's modern era were soundly defeated by the Allies.

[@baheerwardak3468]

hi allec i love your videos! next can you do ariana 701? thanks!

[@Nortonmascota]

Here's a challenge: Indian 814. 3 days hijacked.

[@muffinhyunjin]

Mr Me Really dude?

[@chanio1179]

Would be interesting

[@hello-xz1pt]

Nice vid

[@beefcs5302]

Finally leaned to put black outline on the letters xD

[@ahuehuete4703]

Interesting how airliners back then commonly flew half empty, unlike today where they're packed like sardines.

[@andrewloja5839]

Next up: Missing Over New York (Avianca Flight 52) on 4/6/18

[@WASIURPA]

Ehhh easy they just ran out of fuel

[@theoburgess310]

patreon ;)

[@ruifong]

uploaded now

[@user-ph7lp2dl1q]

How did they all survive? How bad was the damage? Incredible.

[@BarryObama666]

Yes. Your videos are done very informative with taste and empathy. Good explanations as to what happened and what was done wrong and also what was done to fix the problems. There is another channel on here that started after you did and doesn't go nearly into the depth and information that your videos do. They are very much a copy to day the least and a ripoff to put it bluntly. They seem to be done almost mechanically with no feeling and much of the information ripped off from your videos. This is not right. I reported the other channel. It almost seems like a bot because the sub titles are all mis-spelled and not timed right with the videos. One I remember that almost seemed like a direct copy or rip off was the DC-10 flight where the cargo doors were being blown out during pressurization one plane barely made it to landing and another crashed a few years later. Those were almost identical to your videos. Keep up the good work. ChuckyD..

[@AllecJoshuaIbay]

Sklawz who's channel was it?

[@IceFive5]

Yea I encountered another channel which copied air disasters trailer 3 and titled it "welcome to my channel" and he copied Delta 1141 and he copied your username as well .

[@nunyabusinessmate420]

Could you do amazing facts about Air New Zealand next

[@lospazio]

The aircraft registration was EC-CBN, not CBO.

[@hellosunshine1090]

Man that was a tough approach how could ANYONE handle that combo of low visibility & sudden downdraft ? And they had deficient tech, compared to today. To get the glideslope correct visually under those conditions, it would need to be your home airfield with tons of successful landings. Being from Spain, I bet that wasn't the case, sadly. But great save to the crew ! What was damage to plane ?

[@shazaidi]

I'm confused as to why Jesus wasn't aware of the microburst?

[@gordanapantic2159]

Who would win? A highly experienced pilot and an eaven more experienced first officer with more than 34 000 flight hours ...or...ONE STORMY BOY

[@jacksainthill8974]

At least this one's cargo door stayed on.

[@reconforsales7708]

Iberia used to make the the best DC-10s.

[@bobsos924]

No crash animation :( but good vid

[@fruitbat1600]

I mean... Does that look like it 'crashed'?

[@bobsos924]

Yeah I know it just didn't have enough runway to stop but if you watch a lot of the Smithsonian channel you're pretty used to crash animations.

[@RicheBright]

Everybody lived this time! Yay!

[@victorrodriguez2435]

Allec Joshua; In 4:04 you said about a VASI. What is that and how it works??

[@Youtubax]

It’s crazy the number of incidents/fatalities these aircraft gathered over the years. I’m no aircraft engineer but I don’t see the benefits of having the engine mounted in the tail to begin with. I bet the extra weight on the back had to mess up the CoG a bit somehow... Not to mention the main controls and hydraulic lines, unnaturally placed so close in that area.

[@AllecJoshuaIbay]

The tail engine was there because at the time the DC-10 was introduced, the ETOPS at the time prevented twinjets from making flights over ocean. Quadjets such as the 747 were utilized for that. But Quadjets were gas guzzlers. The solution were trijets.

[@Youtubax]

Allec Joshua Ibay Thanks, I did not know about that policy. I can see why they concluded it was safer at first (on paper though).

[@barryklus]

The throttle was just stuck is all.. same thing happened to my old Ford sometimes.

[@scarecrow2885]

DC-10's - if they didn't fail, they were jinxed.

[@RemixedVoice]

Scare Crow At least because they failed, we learned from their failures. Airplanes are definitely the safest way to travel now.

[@throe68]

There's always one that talks out of their butt...definitely can't blame the jet for this one.

[@scoobycarr5558]

Scare Crow Let's see ... the fantastic Great Eastern was the greatest ship afloat but she was WAY too advanced as a vessel for that time 1860s and was written off in 1889. They found the remains of a worker within her hull while she was broken up. Perhaps the remains of a worker were discovered inside the very first DC10 and thus created your so-called jinx.

[@yoopernow]

Wind shear wasn't fully understood for almost another 20 years, but no VASI? Even small country airports in the US had VASI - but not Logan?

[@brycegaming7668]

Guys, just because the DC-10 has had terrible, and many fatal crashes doesn’t mean that the DC-10 is a bad aircraft. I mean come on, I am going to fly for Swiss International Airlines, and I may fly the DC-10, and not give a crap. My favorite aircraft is the DC-10. Do you agree with me?

[@scoobycarr5558]

Maybe from my perspective Japan's view of the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. Maybe from my perspective Germany's Luftwaffe of the London blitz during the Battle of Britain from May 1940 till about the end of 1941.

[@Drizzy8824]

Jesus how’s the FO managed to accumulate over 34,000 hours aged just 54???