Croatia or Greece? Key Differences to Help You Choose

[@davidllewelyn]

Nicely and fairly balanced comparison. I sailing both Croatia and Greece on my own boat and enjoy them both for different reasons.

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

Thank you for your comment 🙏🙏

[@laurentcorveleyn8765]

Hello Boštjan, I just subscribed. I already watched a couple of your videos but when I told my wife about them, I subscribed. She is also Slovenian and I’m also RYA certified. We live in Belgium but sail often on the North Sea and the Adriatic whenever we can.

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

Thank you for your support 🙏🙏🙏

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

Someday I'll try the North Sea. It's on my bucket list :)

[@345turk]

Very helpful and informative. I have experience in Croatia, have been there many times, but not yet in Greece. I'm planning to visit Greece in the near future and your videos help me what to expect, what differences there are. Thanks! ⛵😀

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

Glad it was helpful!

[@denniswaites5593]

Thanks Bostjan. Was deliberating Greece or Croatia for next year. Mind made up I think! : )

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

I am very happy that my video helped 🤗

[@stevenr2463]

Very well said!

[@stevenr2463]

If I may add, in Croatia you constantly have the feeling that you are being ripped off. Never in Greece.

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

Thank you 👍

[@DarioSplit2012]

Hello, thanks for the nice comparison. Here in Croatia, October has made a pleasant stay at the sea possible.

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

October will probably become the best month for proper sail in Croatia. Or even november. Thank you for your comment 🙏

[@markojuric4954]

Deseti misec je kako baci, već u deveti misec ciklone počinju ić sve južnije i more se dogodit da od 7 dan bude četri dana šiloka, dan škontradure i dan ili dva buretine. More bit i lipo stabilno vrime. Sve to se more vidit nekoliko dan prij koji će weather system bit u điru pa odlučit i doć, ko će tu skupit ljude koji nemaju baš toliko vrimena slobodnoga, ali teško je i bookirat misec dan unaprid pa pogodit vrime. Dva - tri puta prođe lipo, a jedan put bude gadno da malo kome više posli toga padne na pamet ić na more u to doba. Dobar je deseti misec jer totalna gužva u drugome tjednu padne na ispod 50%, u trećemu na 10 - 20%, a u četvrtome tjednu brodi ima zanemarivo malo, ali i dan skrati. Cjene padnu na ispod 50% cjena u vriju sezone, ali ne kupuje se i ne prodaje se samo cjena. Ima deset puti više vjerojatnosti da štete na palubnoj opremi, riggingu i jedrima bude više nego šta je najam plaćen. Ma sve je lipo na screenu, i more i snig.

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

I've already been in october, november and in december. It can be rough, I agree. I've been 14 days ago. In 7 days, we had three weather deteriorations, so unfortunately, we spent every evening in marinas. But because of that, we had excellent sailing. Last year, I was there around November 1st (shown in one of my videos), probably my best timing so far. Of course, it’s not summer, the weather isn’t stable, so you have to be smart and you will have a great time if you came for sailing.

[@fifi23o5]

One point. It is easier to get a discount for charter in Greece. Mooring in local ports in Greece is usually free, although you will have no services. Mooring to a buoy in Croatia is often as much as marina in Greece.

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

I believe that the buoy in Croatia costs even more than marina in Greece

[@fifi23o5]

@@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS True.

[@Patrick-f9y]

I admit from the start I did not even finish the video. I have been sailing for more than 25 years in the Med and I have chartered many times. I have my own boat for 10 years now in the Med and have sailed it to Spain, France, Italy, Malta and we are presently in Greece. I once took a three week charter in Croatia and my wife and I have vowed never to visit Croatia again. Fundamently, because of the people where everything is about the money. The people are not naturally welcoming or friendly...it is always about the money. Never again in Croatia!!

[@chicken2000-j1e]

this is very true. I have been sailing in Croatia for 12 years, but last few years the prices have been going totally out of control in Croatia. only money, money, money. but they are loosing many customers already+have few friends who have taken their sailing boats from Croatia to Italy or Greece.

[@cetterus]

Regarding anchor chain, safety equipment, stability of winds etc... there seems to be slight neighborly bias: there is one tiny detail to be considered- TOPOGRAPHY. Islands are closer, shallows are abundant in Croatia while Greek islands are widely spread and whole Greece is on average deeper. You have a fair chance to die (as it happened recently) only around outer Adriatic islands Svetac or Jabuka. Regarding prices- you answered it yourself- Croatia is closer and therefore getting more and more overcrowded.

[@kleitosaliagas5668]

How did someone die

[@cetterus]

@@kleitosaliagas5668 Guy drowned. Somewhere around outer Croatian islands. I don't remember exactly. I just remember unsuccessful search party that lasted for a while. If you can float- you usually don't drown among other islands. Plenty of people have tried. Few have succeeded.

[@sorim1967]

An incredible point to make. The sea requires respect, at any distance. Depth higher than 1.7meters is dangerous. Those who think otherwise create an unsafe culture where accidents will happen. And what does anything of what you say have to do with anchor chain?

[@leonbouwer7953]

very good video - thanks. you have sold me on Greece. i agree on the chain issue. the longer the better!

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

Glad it was helpful!

[@markojuric4954]

Ovo je totalni konzumeristički odnosno potrošački pristup charteru koji nema nekoga smisla za ljude. Ima smisla samo za potrošače. A bit čovik ili potrošač svijetonazorsko je pitanje.

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

Chartering, as a basic activity in its fundamental sense, is established solely for the purpose of consumption, and therefore cannot have any other meaning. We are all human, and in the Western world, we are all part of the world of consumption. The sooner you accept this as a worldview principle, the easier it will be to navigate life as a person.

[@markojuric4954]

@@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS Nije baš da razumin to šta si napisa jer san cili život na moru, i danas na neki način živin o mora i ne osjećan se ka potrošač. Osin sportskoga jedrenja i plovidbe iz razonode, veći dil života san proveja u navigaciji, od mali brodi i ribarica do veliki brodi na koje san bija ukrcan ka strojar i kapo. Nagleda san se svega i svačega, uz one koji su plovili da bi preživili i ljudi koji su volili plovidbu ka takvu do notornih čarteraša. Sve su to različiti svitovi i nekome govorit da se mora prilagodit u bilo koji od tih svitova je u najmanju ruku malo bahato.

[@sedatkasrat]

Croatian charter boats are much more religable... Almost all companies in CRO keeps the fleet, not just enough to charter, like they're meticulously maintained by beloved owner... in GRE anything broken in the boat will be fixed at saturday morning, in CRO everything replaced by a new one, no matter how much it costs... BUT... GRE prevails over almost everything, in every aspect but the boats herselfs...

[@antebratincevic6764]

Croatia has the youngest charter fleet in the world and the distances are shorter than in Greece, so major breakdowns happen less often and when they do happen, repairs are possible in a shorter time, also due to the fact that settlements with technical infrastructure are also nearby. It is also true that Greece prevails in many aspects, and the reasons for this are very complex.

[@theodoroskotsonis2938]

The main difference is that Greece is Greece. Croatia is certainly a beautiful country but it cannot be compared with Greece, with its islands and not only, cradle of Western civilization and culture, with the best climate in the Mediterranean, with its cuisine but above all with its friendly inhabitants. From experience I cannot say the same about Croatians. Thank you.

[@cetterus]

You might have to do some more balanced research.

[@mikulamali]

Says a greek guy 😂

[@edoisovic7160]

What are you talking about? Have you ever been to Croatia or you are just having your perspective from seeing football hooligan clashes between Greeks and Croats?

[@MoreSplit]

who give you 30 meter chain ,this is bullshit .normally 50-75 meter chain. but croatia bay anchor is usually on 4-10 meter depth. Croatia have over 15000 bay and cove for free anchor.croatia distance from island to island or net bay is from 5 minute to 1-hour sail,in greec day to couple day. tie to land,tree,rock in Croatia is forbidden, this and next year don't do this fine is around 600-1000€

[@antebratincevic6764]

Ma koji 30 metri kadene, svak pri bookingu more dobit popis opreme sa svin detaljima pa i sa debljinon i dužinon kadene. A sad ako se 1 na 500 dogodi prevara jerbo su predhodni gosti izgubili dil lanca i činili kuco to je druga stvar jer se na finalnoj provjeri nemore puštat i mirit cila kadena. I daj nemoj plašit bidne ovce sa ton zabranon vezivanja za kraj, ionako se ovce boje svoje sjene. Aj molin te da vidin ko će me to kaznit kad vežen krmu na kraj, baš bi volija da mi dođe. A šta bi tek domorodci rekli da se nemogu vezat na kraj i ko će to provodit ti zakon, pa tribalo bi imat pandurije i pandurski brodi bar za desetinu brodi koji plove. Osin toga veživanje za kraj je i pitanje sigurnosti. To šta ti radiš je vođenje psihološko propagandnoga rata. A turisti to piju, njima se ionako svašta more prodat i pitaju ima li još. Nji mi ionako nije žaj kad su imberlani.

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

Till now the longest chain I got in Croatia was from company Pitter, boat Lagoon 45 2015 Stella which had 50 meters. That was this July and another one Hanse 505 (Simone) from company Oryx (Frapa), also 50 meters 3 weeks ago. All other boats had 40, 35 or even 30 meters of chain, no more. The one in the video, Sileb, had only 30 meters. Charter company representative said, that this is standard for that type of boat. You can figure it out which charter company it was. I won't tell bad things with names, because I probably don't know all the circumstances, but 30 meters is, sadly, a fact 🤷‍♂️

[@antebratincevic6764]

​@@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS Po tome šta pišeš u vezi dužine kadene i sidrenja pari da nemaš pojma ili imaš, a manipuliraš ka i ovi gori koji piše besmislice. Neko ko nema pojma ni ikakvoga iskustva kad čuje tebe mislit će kako je bitna samo dužina lanca. Samo sidrenje i držanje broda na sidru su prekompleksne radnje kako bi se cili fokus bacija na dužinu kadene. Od dužine kadene važnija je vrsta dna, vrsta i težina sidra, pa tek onda dubina do dna i dužina kadene uzimajući u obzir vjerojatnosti promine smjera i brzine vitra. Ako baciš sidro u purić ili na ploču moš pustit i 100 metri kadene sidro neće držat i odnit će te. Salbun nije svugdi isti i ovisi je li tu ima kurenta jer šta je veći kurenat ti salbun postaje cimentaniji i sidro teže zadije bez obzira na dužinu kadene. Neko ko nezna nema ni pojma di se sidri osin ako je plićadura pa se dno dobro vidi. Za sidrit brod najprij triba znanje pa iskustvo, a znanje se stiče učenjem odnosno plovidbom i sidrenjem sa onima koji puno duže plove, a onda triba i vlastito iskustvo bez kojega se nemore. Ukratko sidrenje se nemore naučit na internetu, a danas dosta nji uzimaju brode u charter, a da su o sidrenju najviše učili na internetu. A uči se tako i da se pita, ali općenito većina ljudi više voli prodavat pamet nego pitat. Šta se dužine kadene koju charter operateri stavljaju na brode sve to ovisi o dužini i masi broda. Pa nemore bit ista dužina i debljina lanca na Lagoon 450 mase od oko 15 - 16 tona i neki monohull o 35 - 36 stopa i 5 - 6 tona. Kad bi na 35 - 36 stopa monohull uvalija u sidreni gavun 70 metri kadene prova bi mu ronila pa bi oni šta nemaju pojma govorili kako je dizajner kriv. Druga stvar je šta Tehnički Zahtjevi za Statutarnu Certifikaciju Hrvatskoga Registra Brodova dopuštaju minimalnu dužinu kadene 30 metri i postoje zahtjevi za debljinu lanca u ovisnosti o dužini. Ima tu još magije o kojoj neću sad pisat jer je i ovo već previše. A to di su ti dali 30 metri kadene je stoposto bija brod o 35 - 36 stopa i 5 - 6 tona. U pravilu se dužina kadene stavlja minimalno za 3 - 4 dužine broda korigirano za koeficijent mase. Za Lagoon 45 odnosno 450 ka i za Lagoon 400 godišta 2012 - 2016 CNB je u dodatnoj specifikaciji nudija 75 metri kadene debljine 10 mm ka jedinu opciju. E, a vidi sad ovo, kadena posli 7 - 8 godin gubi sloj nanesen cinčanjen i kadena počinje ruzinavit i onda kad je Pitter ili možda vlasnik minja kadenu, a Pitter mu to odobrija, da bi uštedija par sto euri meka je 50 metri kadene odnosno 25 metri manje nego šta je CNB po svojim specificikacijama isporučija katamaran. Ništa ovo nije tužno, tuga su samo negativne emocije, a današnjin sviton upravljaju psihopati koji emocije nemaju, ali dobro ih glume i kod ovaca igraju na njih. Ako si željan znanja iz ovoga moš nešto naučit, ne samo o dužini kadene, a ako znaš puno više neka ti Bog da zdravlja.

[@alenbanovac1277]

What you are talking?You are talking about 30m of the chain on catamaran?Bullshit…always is around 50-60m,I never was on the boat with the chain 30m(I working 7 years in Adriatic sea),Epirb and all equipment you have on every boat…dont lie people…yes…here marinas is more expensive(but you have mooring lines,toilet,shower etc)..between islands is max 2 hours..and here you are more protective from winds and is easier for swimming…

[@LIVE_AT_FULL_SAILS]

Where you see this: ''You are talking about 30m of the chain on catamaran?'' There is no such statement in the video and in my comments. It seems that you see nonexistant things and therefore accusing me of lying. Alen, that’s not nice. Anyway, thank you for your comment. Every opinion matters.

[@sorim1967]

Do you think that, even if what you say is correct, 50 meters of chain is acceptable? I would say that such a statement, anywhere else in the world, is a public declaration of total lack of proper seamanship; and by that alone we can safely disregard your opinion, which, if anything, further confirms the point about Croatian understanding of anchoring.

[@DarioSplit2012]

Krasna usporedba ali nažalost oni koji bi trebali donositi odluke o nautičkom turizmu u Hrvatskoj ovo neće vidjeti.

[@antebratincevic6764]

Hrvatsku i Garšku je teško uspoređivat premda in je obala dosta slična kad se o Mediteranu priča. Garška obala i otoci su definitivno mediteranskiji od Hrvatskih jer je uticaj kontinenta na Hrvatsku puno veći. Hrvatska je definitivno izopačenija o Garške jer je moderni SSSR ilitiga EU sa svojon hiper regulacijon u Hrvatskoj bolje prihvaćen. Hrvati bi tili bit veći katolici o Pape, naročito ovoga Frane sotonjare. Hrvatska je 2005 prva u svitu uvela uploadiranje crew listi na centralni server šta onda nije bilo nigdi u svitu. Također, marine su katastrofa po pitanju regulacije jer su to monopoli stvoreni zakonskon regulacijon pa administracije marina čak brane zaronit ispod broda ako koja alatka pade u more nego triba tražit ronioca marine i to masno platit. Hrvatska ima najmlađu charter flotu u svitu na šta utiče atraktivnost obale, lakoća plovidbe i relativno dobra baza ljudi sa raznin tehničkin znanjima. Ko je bija u Karibe zna o čemu se radi. A o gostima kakvi dolaze nebi sad jer bi se uvridili. Ali dobro, dok ovce dolaze triba ih šišat, jer šta ne ćapaš danas ko zna oćeš li sutra. To je osnovno pravilo modernoga turizma koji počiva na low cost letovima.

[@23101979T]

@antebratincevic6764 Ajde mi bogati objasni, kako to lakoća plovidbe u nekoj zemlji, utječe na starost čarter flote??

[@et1161]

By far, Greece. Much more friendly people. 😊