Croatia's Geographic Challenge

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12 жыл бұрын

Stratfor explains how Croatia's fertile terrain, ethnic diversity, lack of clearly defined borders and proximity to regional powers pose a threat to its national sovereignty.
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@Pilgrim07
@Pilgrim07 12 жыл бұрын
Ancient home of croats is western Ukraine - Upper Dniester valley, Subcarpathia and Transcarpathia. We, Ukrainians and Croats should be strategic partners because we have common ancestors.
@zivkosmrtic7373
@zivkosmrtic7373 3 жыл бұрын
false, actually its the other way around, ancient homeland of the Ukranians is the Balkans, what does Okrajina mean in slavic language? it means outskirts, thats where our ancestors ran when we were at war with the rome. slavic invasion to the balkans theory is rejected by modern scolars...
@savytraveler790
@savytraveler790 3 жыл бұрын
@@zivkosmrtic7373 There is no solid proof, evidence, for either of two claims. What is evident, is lthe inguistic, genetic connection between two countries, the rest can be “guessed”.
@zivkosmrtic7373
@zivkosmrtic7373 3 жыл бұрын
@@savytraveler790 actually there are such things you describe as solid proof. there are four different chronicles that talk about the balkans being the ancient slavic homeland, Dalimils and Wincenty Kadłubeks chronicle from Poland, there are two Russian chronicles from the same time frame (Nestors and Boguchvals chronicle, XII, and XIII. century) Genetic and linguistical evidences also support the theory, there are such things as DNA samples from skeletons! believe it or not... one of the greatest paleolinguists of all time, mario alinei says that polish and russian languages are much more similar to the languages spoken in the balkans than one to another, suggesting that the polish and russian languages evolved separately (even a noob can notice how different those languages are one to another) Florin Curta also roasts the slavic invasion to the balkans theory...
@Nightraven26
@Nightraven26 11 жыл бұрын
Two things: 1st Balkan is not actually a penninsula 2nd Croatia is defined as a Central European country by the geography textbook because of its location at the crossroads of Central, Southern, and SE Europe
@anteoabc6248
@anteoabc6248 2 ай бұрын
Balkan=Yugoslavia=GreatSerbia=Serbianworld(nowdays)
@acvaticlifE
@acvaticlifE 5 жыл бұрын
Bosnia be like "NIgga can I go swimming?" Croatia: "N O"
@CroMarduk
@CroMarduk 12 жыл бұрын
Actually most of Bosnia was a part of Croatian kingdom, First croatian king was even coronated in Duvno, todays Tomislavgrad in Herzegovina, so we allready lost a lot of territory
@markmalic7450
@markmalic7450 Жыл бұрын
Bravo sine
@amirdervisevic1487
@amirdervisevic1487 6 ай бұрын
Yeah the King and Land that Never Exist really Impressive😂😂
@abc-nz9sz
@abc-nz9sz 5 жыл бұрын
LONG LIVE CROATIA
@MySyd2010
@MySyd2010 12 жыл бұрын
Austria-Hungary was divided into regions. 'Krajina' fell under the region of Croatia-Slavonia, and you can find this map easily on the internet. Croats even owned West Bosnia prior to the Ottoman arrival. The present-day borders of Croatia are VERY similar to how they were during its time under Austria-Hungary, with the addition of Istria. As I already mentioned, Croatian kings were crowned in Knin, which was before the time of Austria-Hungary - so we're talking around 1000+ years ago.
@photoshopschool9205
@photoshopschool9205 8 жыл бұрын
Inaccurate.Ethnic diversity?92% are Croat,even before the war it was 88% Croat.Croatia was historically opressed by Hungary,Italy and Austria,never(until the 20th century)by Serbia and certainly never by Bosnia Herz.
@MMOplayeerr
@MMOplayeerr 7 жыл бұрын
"opressed"
@TheInsaiyan
@TheInsaiyan 7 жыл бұрын
AerialAce it wasn't opressed by Hungary lol
@tonypavko1968
@tonypavko1968 7 жыл бұрын
Kaiserlicher König more oppression than serboslavija
@AirWolf2301
@AirWolf2301 6 жыл бұрын
Kaiserlicher König You would be suprised... at one point they(as the old Hungary) tried to turn us in to them by forcing ther language and colture, and it backfired... like we wher never on ther side after that but always pro Austrian(we are talking pre ww1) but after WW1 we have no major problems.
@republikadugave420
@republikadugave420 4 жыл бұрын
And most of the "serbs" in croatia are vlasi...
@zarko746
@zarko746 8 жыл бұрын
Powers endangering Croatia in the past were Austria, Italy and Hungary, not Bosnia or Serbia. Author apparently does not know anything about Croatia.
@NIGHTHAWK0622
@NIGHTHAWK0622 7 жыл бұрын
Bosna I Herzegovina was Hrvatska
@NIGHTHAWK0622
@NIGHTHAWK0622 7 жыл бұрын
Zarko Modric Hello Croatia lost a big part of its territory (B i H) because of our "friendly " neighbors aka the serbs
@NIGHTHAWK0622
@NIGHTHAWK0622 7 жыл бұрын
HunterKiller29 you are wrong family members,people were killed,tortured to erase the Croatian roots in B i H
@NIGHTHAWK0622
@NIGHTHAWK0622 7 жыл бұрын
You don't tell the real truth you only pick up small bits and pieces to suit your agenda and emotions
@NIGHTHAWK0622
@NIGHTHAWK0622 7 жыл бұрын
HunterKiller29 your icon was invented by Croatia
@gmichaelz
@gmichaelz 12 жыл бұрын
Fantastic series! I hope to see many more from across the globe!
@Maker5464
@Maker5464 8 жыл бұрын
ethnic diversity? there are over 90% croats... regional powers Serbia and Hungary? Croatia crushed Yugoslavia (Serbia) in last war and now has most powerful army in region...
@milosmilovanovic3929
@milosmilovanovic3929 7 жыл бұрын
lol nice fairy tale
@SalvationSeeker197
@SalvationSeeker197 7 жыл бұрын
Turkey and Greece want a talk with you
@Maker5464
@Maker5464 7 жыл бұрын
Turkey and Greece are not in our region
@SalvationSeeker197
@SalvationSeeker197 7 жыл бұрын
Maker5464 Yes they are
@SuperLusername
@SuperLusername 6 жыл бұрын
Nothing . Everything No they are not. The region talked about here is Western balkans. Greece and Turkey have no way of militarily thretening Croatia as they are too far away.
@williambell7538
@williambell7538 11 жыл бұрын
I would love to see one of these videos on Italy.
@corn1971
@corn1971 11 жыл бұрын
Hopefully the darkest days for the Balkans region are behind them and the prosperity of cooperation amongst the peoples flourishes. Having spent time in Opatja in Croatia, I have to say I was greatly impressed with the country and the people. I would love to visit and see more some day, and hope the promise of better times are realized for all the people across the region.
@adamb111
@adamb111 9 жыл бұрын
Im from croatia and i vas vorn there i hrvat sam
@MySyd2010
@MySyd2010 12 жыл бұрын
Correction of a typo below - the census was taken by Austria after WW2 & showed the Serb population dropped by 140K.
@Gytaz
@Gytaz 12 жыл бұрын
I love these videos! Keep making them!
@manofsan
@manofsan 12 жыл бұрын
I love all this mellow music - it reminds me of Playboy playmate videos except there are no playmates :(
@aneldzinic2263
@aneldzinic2263 6 жыл бұрын
Can You pls. make an episode of G.C. for Bosnia? Thx.
@michaelo.1320
@michaelo.1320 10 жыл бұрын
ANTARCTICA WILL RULE THE WORLD
@najnmeters9985
@najnmeters9985 9 жыл бұрын
Yeah they have the biggest army
@najnmeters9985
@najnmeters9985 9 жыл бұрын
yeah but why would anybody attack antartica -.- to kill pengouins?
@lesorciercalifornien
@lesorciercalifornien 9 жыл бұрын
Nyan Poods no the penguins will be the attackers
@ahnenerbehoroathos738
@ahnenerbehoroathos738 9 жыл бұрын
***** we have our people also on Antartica...did you hear and read about Maria Orsic?
@strahdzarovic2138
@strahdzarovic2138 6 жыл бұрын
A part of Antarctica is Australian, Australia is a continent with a share of the Antarctic continent. Not that is impressive.
@AdrianoCROST
@AdrianoCROST 11 жыл бұрын
1.) No one knows which language is older but it is 100% same language that went in two direction at some point. 2.) It's Croatians not Croations.
@ToiYeuYAHWEH
@ToiYeuYAHWEH 12 жыл бұрын
I am a Free Vietnamese living in America. Although we are very good allies with Serbia, I want to wish all the ex-Yugoslavs peace & love. Listen to me, please. Your peoples are very smart & beautiful. You are the land of Nicolas Tesla & the people who help America get to the moon so why are you destroying each other! Please stop hating & murdering each other. I love you all. Amen.
@Porkeater2610957
@Porkeater2610957 8 жыл бұрын
Bosnians aren't an ethnicity.
@ToiYeuYAHWEH
@ToiYeuYAHWEH 11 жыл бұрын
I will continue to pray for peace between Serbians & Croats. Amen. With love from a Free Vietnamese :-)
@ToiYeuYAHWEH
@ToiYeuYAHWEH 11 жыл бұрын
There are no truly good guys in any war, that's why we should learn to live with each other in peace and understanding. I will pray for peace & love between Croats, Bosians & Serbs. -- With love from Vietnam
@NIGHTHAWK0622
@NIGHTHAWK0622 7 жыл бұрын
Bosnian isn't a ethnic group there is no such thing as a Bosnian ethnicity only nationality
5 жыл бұрын
Serb detected
@johnkutnar8501
@johnkutnar8501 6 жыл бұрын
challenges sustain Croatia ,well practiced since 700 A.D. in maintaining an independent culture
@Casio21970
@Casio21970 11 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that Serbia attacked Croatia and Bosnia
@ToiYeuYAHWEH
@ToiYeuYAHWEH 12 жыл бұрын
Chao ban o nuoc Serbia! Chung toi o nuoc Viet-Nam luc nao cung ung-ho anh-em Serbia! Translated from the Vietnamese: Hello my dear friend from Serbia! We Vietnamese will ALWAYS support our brothers & sisters from Serbia! :-)
@marijopetkovic7253
@marijopetkovic7253 9 жыл бұрын
Croat are Serbs is that wright Vlada Jovanoviću than why today Croatia is not Serbia. Than by your smart theories Croat are Slovens,Serbs are Croats and Turks are Serbs is that wright. Please don't say thing like that it is offensive for me as Croat and for you as a Serb my Serbian brother. In 2011 consensus 90% of population declared themselves as Croats and 4.5% Serbs so much about your theory. Indeed my Serbian brother you should read history book more often at least one not written by Vojislav Šešelj,Ratko Mladić and other historians slash murderers. All best to Serbia.
@serb5621
@serb5621 8 жыл бұрын
+Marijo Petkovic you are one of the respectable people here from Montenegro/Serbia
@NIGHTHAWK0622
@NIGHTHAWK0622 7 жыл бұрын
Marijo Petkovic Croatians are not Serbs Serbs are not Croatians they have different roots all though there mix between it's because Croatia lost B I H.
@NIGHTHAWK0622
@NIGHTHAWK0622 7 жыл бұрын
Marijo Petkovic the winners write the history books
@denireki5542
@denireki5542 6 жыл бұрын
Marijo Petkovic a koristis nasa slova kolko si glup
@bharattank1115
@bharattank1115 3 жыл бұрын
Croatia nice n with beautiful European neighbour , many nation sharing beautiful coastal region of Adriatic sea , I saw Montenegro filmography in English movie " casino royale " 007 James bond movie.😀 nice map videotape, ram ram.
@ThaGamerTard
@ThaGamerTard 11 жыл бұрын
Do Slovenia's Geographic Challenge!!
@fullfist
@fullfist 12 жыл бұрын
Also the modern Croat territory is more than 85% Croat, i don't think that's diverse, as a result we have seen stability in the last 15 years. . You should have mentioned that Danube is an important historic and civilization-al border, Byzantine (east-orthodox c. influenced by the Turkish empire and Russia) . Holy Roman Empire (Germanic- Italic, Roman Catholic, by Austria) . In the middle Bosnia, the poor province easily won over by the Turks as a result of local hostility towards Catholic west.
@MarkoKraguljac
@MarkoKraguljac 12 жыл бұрын
I agree. It does sound as a bit modernized excerpt from an exYugoslavia textbook from second half of last century. Question is, are we, in this civilizational context, able to articulate anything more meaningful than this? For example, how to avoid mentioning national sovereignty concept, which is becoming irrelevant but is nonetheless embedded as foundation of world order? How to talk about relevant indicators of certain territory when everyone is used to old, irrational, dividing framing?
@kubaniski
@kubaniski 12 жыл бұрын
The same could be said for all the Slavic counties but time has separated the groups into separate nations with their own national interests that come first. That's not to say that the Ukrainians and Croats (or any other Slav nation) can't be partners, but that it depends on what is to be gained for both sides. When Slavs deal with non Slavs we should all speak with on voice. But among each other we should seek our own separate nations interests. That is the best path to prosperity.
@JLinker613
@JLinker613 12 жыл бұрын
I think this is a good description but perhaps you could have discussed wider regional importance of Croatia. The large number of Croats in Bosnia could have been good to mention, considering the nations of the Balkans(especially Serbia and Croatia) are highly nationalistic and irridentist. Croatia and Slovenia are the wealthiest former Yugoslav states, and Croatia's geography is interesting. I liked the video. Maybe you could do Syria, Libya, a Maghreb state, Spain, Greece, Italy, or Indonesia
@yugo91aesop
@yugo91aesop 12 жыл бұрын
Yeah, your gonna give me the standard Croatian reply by referring to Bartol Kasic who supposedly wrote the first Croatian Grammer Textbook 200 years before Vuk Karadzic in 1604. There's only one problem: The name of that grammer book was "Institutionum linguae illyricae libri duo" In other words he called it the ILLYRIAN LANGUAGE not the Croatian language. look it up in wikipedia
@bornahorvath6598
@bornahorvath6598 7 жыл бұрын
We Bosnians are Croats,we are separated from our brothers and sisters,because of Communists,which separated Croatia in 1945 forming two Socialist States(Socialist Republic Croatia,Socialist Republic Bosnia&Herzegovina) and by giving away Croatian land by forming Autonomous region Vojvodina which they putted with SR Serbia and by giving away Boka Kotorska to SR Montenegro! *And for your info,we are not Balkan,we are Dinaric!*
@domidominik1876
@domidominik1876 4 жыл бұрын
@Dino Cengic ever heard about Herceg Bosna Like 99% are Croats there
@amirdervisevic1487
@amirdervisevic1487 6 ай бұрын
No we are Not You Catholics from Bosnia existed as Croats only in 20th Century and Before you are Bosniak Catholic People that Seperated in the Assimilation to Croats beceause of you Religion
@MySyd2010
@MySyd2010 12 жыл бұрын
As I mentioned below, this was a typo which I corrected. Austria was commissioned to conduct a census in the region in the immediate aftermath of WW2. Even Yugoslav official records are more modest than the 700K figure you claim: 1931 Yugo Census - Serbs in Croatia = 633,000 1948 Yugo Census - Serbs in Croatia = 543,795 1931 Yugo Census - Serbs in Bosnia = 1,028,139 1948 Yugo Census - Serbs in Bosnia = 1,136,116 Now, if I'm using Yugo official figures, how can I be a holocaust denier?
@adrianosare8203
@adrianosare8203 Жыл бұрын
Can you make a documentary about Croatia geography because it's good
@stipe3124
@stipe3124 Жыл бұрын
Best geography and worse in same time, that's Croatia
@unab84
@unab84 12 жыл бұрын
Theses videos are very nice, I feel so smart afterward.. (lol)
@GarrySkipPerkins
@GarrySkipPerkins 8 жыл бұрын
That's it? This video was a tease.
@Roel93
@Roel93 7 жыл бұрын
No mention of Yugoslavia?
@DataLog
@DataLog 7 жыл бұрын
Why?
@Roel93
@Roel93 7 жыл бұрын
HomeLab I'm not from the old Yugoslavia myself, but isn't it necessary to know this part of history to better understand the tensions between Serbs, Croats and Bosnians?
@DataLog
@DataLog 7 жыл бұрын
Well, everyone has his country now, Yugoslavia fell apart because we couldn't be together. Josip Broz Tito somehow managed to keep it together but soon after his death tensions started. No tensions between the countries now though. Only problems within the countries like Bosnia with low control and high corruption. Refugees might cause problems with Serbian border like last year, but we are too dependent on each other to afford another war.
@DataLog
@DataLog 7 жыл бұрын
But the border is huge, that's the problem.
@zagrepcanin82
@zagrepcanin82 5 жыл бұрын
Regional powers serbia and hungary.... Lol... Omg.... Serbia lost every war it started and hungary would be islamic state if it was not for our soldiers and our armies defending it... From time immemorial there has always been Croatia!
@zivkosmrtic7373
@zivkosmrtic7373 3 жыл бұрын
serbia started no wars, serbia fought against 6 different world powers in the last 120 years and every single one of them was defensive, the amount of propaganda us croats recieved from our goverment is ridiculous, even a croatian general from the last war admited it to be a yugoslav civil war. you might think that the croats fought for independence of their people but thats false, they fought so they dont pay taxes to Belgrade, the same cause as the american war of independence (brothers fighting brothers for money)
@peter871
@peter871 7 жыл бұрын
there goes your challenge: it's not a balkan country, it's central european.
@peter871
@peter871 7 жыл бұрын
Ok. Here is my opinion: regions would much more accurately describe Central Europe (and other eu parts than countries). I think there is no Central European plain, but there is Pannonian plane. Croatia has a strange shape so it somehow escapes real Balkans. Continental Croatia is geographically and culturally one with Hungary (800 years of personal union!). It is a part of Pannonian plain. Istria is culturally and historically one with Italy (Venice). Maritime Dalmatia is a part of Mediterranean and the Balkans start in the hinterland there. The real Balkans start in Bosnia. Also, Croatia went through Germanization by Austria and so on and on... Even more for Slovenia (1000 years part of Austria). Slovenia is a typical Central European country. Just my opinon;)
@akhtaruzzamanjoy8524
@akhtaruzzamanjoy8524 7 жыл бұрын
Perotin ottoman ruled these lands for 300 years !! how about that !!! 😆😆😆
@peter871
@peter871 7 жыл бұрын
only in slavonia and dalmatian hinterland.. but not zagreb. and when ottomans left nothing was left there. balkans start in bosnia.
@fullfist
@fullfist 12 жыл бұрын
very simplistic. But perhaps it's better than outright not being correct. . Historically the biggest political influence was Hungary for the longest time (late middle ages), then Austria under the Hapsburg empire. . Italy's tendencies for the Adriatic are based on the notion that Italy should have what the ancient Roman Empire had (By that logic Italians should own the Europe) . Serbia's influence is only a century old, post-WW1, we were given away as spoils of war by the British-empire.
@1snjeguljica
@1snjeguljica 11 жыл бұрын
..fought half a milion German, Ustasha and Chetnik forces. Than 206,000 dead soldiers in Yugoslavia, 64,000 were Croatian. Although the contribution of Croatian hero NOR-and anti-fascism in the whole world is immeasurable Bleiburška tragedy,tragedy Croatian Cross and other crimes in the post-war period have cast a shadow and a stain on the purity values ​​Croatian anti-fascism.All this happened 70 years ago,but can You Mr. from Peristeri explain the"golden dawn" in the 2013th year?Καλή σας μέρα!
@bouncingboredom
@bouncingboredom 12 жыл бұрын
If you don't understand why a trade hub matters poltically, economically and militarily, then you probably shouldn't be watching Stratfor videos in the first place. And try driving a tank battalion over a contested mountain range sometime.
@PeoplecallmeLucifer
@PeoplecallmeLucifer 6 жыл бұрын
people on KZbin never learn. If you do a video considering the Balkan (or any Slavic nation for that matter) TURN OF THE COMMENT SECTION! The thing you mentioned about Regional powers. Croatia has proven it's capable of defending itself trough history. (This country seams to work decently only in wartime unfortunatly) Division? I'm from Istria so I'll refrain from commenting on that. A lot of people "Over the mountain" Consider us to be Anty-Sovereignty elements and to blame for a lot of stuff. (or at least people I've ran into) Some don't even consider us Croats, but Italians. and that's because the Term "ISTRIJAN" isn't a national thing. It referes to anyone who is born in Istria and feels like a part of this culture. No matter if they are Croats, Serbs, Montenegrins (Perojci- because they msotly live in a town called Peroj), Bosniaks (The city of Raša is jokingly called Bos Angeles), Italian (bumbari- meaning bmblebees [IDK why]), Roamni, Albanian, Istriots (small group of people related to the Italians but with a specific language taht is not completely intelligible with the Italian language), Slovenian .... We have an Englishman in our village and he's just one of us now. We are all different nationalities, but first and foremost we're Istrian Istrian people are extremely tolerant but not very trusting TBH and we HATE being forced to do something + we're pretty inert. There is a joke In the city I study at. How do you spot someone new in Pula? He referees to the Sergijevci street by it's official name. The locals call it "Prvomajska" (the Firts May street- as it was called in Yugoslavia) And a final note. To everyone who thinks istria is ,as I said before, Against everything Croatian ... Istrian Parlament voted to connect to the Croatian motherland during WW2. Not yugoslavia, BUT CROATIA DIRRECTLY Before that Istria was never under the official Croatian rule, but it kept it's Croatian identity and dialect.
@1snjeguljica
@1snjeguljica 11 жыл бұрын
I do not understand why out of your mouth comes so dirty words and hate. But well,δεν πειραζει,you live with it!Εvery state within the political framework has several parties who share different views and ideologies, have different goals and opinions. So, from the 1941st - '45. in Croatia except Ustasha was the National liberation Movement, within which were the partisan squads. The aim of the partisans was primarily Croatian liberation from the German and Italian occupation and terror...
@kenllacer
@kenllacer 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't Croatia called Dalmatia during Roman times?
@vietnowsoldo
@vietnowsoldo Жыл бұрын
It's just a region in Croatia. And it was just a region in Roman time. Whole area was called Illyricum or Illyria.
@TopCroFutsal
@TopCroFutsal 6 жыл бұрын
Ethnic diversity but 92 % are Croats, 3% are Serbs and only 0.7% are Bosnians.
@1snjeguljica
@1snjeguljica 11 жыл бұрын
The breakup of Yugoslavia and the war that followed was the game leader Tudjman, Milosevic and Izetbegovic (slightly less) where they get the most personal financial gain. In this period there were secret transactions, secret meetings and negotiations, and the Serbs and Croats misguided patriotism died for nothing. Most of Croats would say that it was better when we were united.Hateful comments write children and adults who have no brains but have internet access. P.S. I love Greece as well as..
@ToiYeuYAHWEH
@ToiYeuYAHWEH 12 жыл бұрын
Ohh, Antonio, my Croatian friend at the gym wanted me to ask you what do you think of the HDZ Party?
@yugo91aesop
@yugo91aesop 12 жыл бұрын
it disproves your point, and the point of croatian nationalists when they argue that Serbs only started living in Croatia because they fled from the Turks and settled on Croatian territory. 1) Croatia was a part of the HAbsburg Monarchy then, so Serbs weren't settling on Croatian territoriy but, Austrian territory. 2) Those churches were built in the 1300's which is before Serbia fell to the Turks. So Serbs lived in Croatia before the OTtomans came.
@Paintballerfromhell1
@Paintballerfromhell1 11 жыл бұрын
In Bosnia and Herzegovina it is.
@adopodrinje1499
@adopodrinje1499 9 жыл бұрын
will Bosnia or Slovenia have it its won Geographic challenge? same as Kosovo ?
@aretwodeetwo1260
@aretwodeetwo1260 9 жыл бұрын
No one cares about those shitstains
@crozetisles8315
@crozetisles8315 8 жыл бұрын
+aretwo deetwo Serb?
@adopodrinje1499
@adopodrinje1499 8 жыл бұрын
aretwo deetwo somebody talking like a jealous ass bitch here: Slovenia is the BEST country of complete eastern and southern europe. and Bosnia has got a HUGE POTENTIAL with many things like oil and tourism and agriculture and lots of more. check out Red bull cliff diving in mostar this summer or Bosnian Pyramids
@praiselifeworshiplife1ca
@praiselifeworshiplife1ca 6 жыл бұрын
I think that's the shortest most inaccurate video of Croatia I've ever seen . more details please
@88kjk75
@88kjk75 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this video is way off, Croatia is 92% ethnically Croat and pretty politicaly stable, you probbably got us confusef with Bosnia
@TheAmericanPrometheus
@TheAmericanPrometheus 10 жыл бұрын
Are Bosniaks and Herzegovnians the same people?
@TheAmericanPrometheus
@TheAmericanPrometheus 10 жыл бұрын
***** Thanks for the clarification.
@TheAmericanPrometheus
@TheAmericanPrometheus 10 жыл бұрын
***** I'm just suprised they haven't seceeded or something.
@F1RacingFans
@F1RacingFans 9 жыл бұрын
Burhan the Somali That is not really possible. There's far too many tensions around the people for that to be even remotely possible.
@TorcidaCro
@TorcidaCro 9 жыл бұрын
Burhan the Somali Please don't talk about what we should do after you discovered two facts and red few paragraphs on wikipedia about our history. We suffered too much throughout history, leave as be.
@aretwodeetwo1260
@aretwodeetwo1260 9 жыл бұрын
Yep. Religion separates them.
@AdrianoCROST
@AdrianoCROST 11 жыл бұрын
That is not true. I know exactly what you mean but that differences are minor and they are even more stronger proof that language is same. Grammar with mixed word order and few different words (mostly with other countries influence) are not proof that they are not the same. Even languge expert from Croatia said that is evident they are the same language.
@mtrunkello
@mtrunkello 6 жыл бұрын
Traditional zone of dispute around the drava river between croatia and hungary? Lolz. I dont think that even after the crown of croatia got on the head of hungarian kings in the 12th century untill today there were any disputes about that land between croats and hungarians. Drava is a natural border. It clearly defines territories.
@nantzstein
@nantzstein 6 жыл бұрын
That Dalmacian coast is WIERD 😅
@Peristerygr
@Peristerygr 11 жыл бұрын
Also I am fully aware that Tito was half Croat!
@ToiYeuYAHWEH
@ToiYeuYAHWEH 12 жыл бұрын
Why is production gone in Slavonia? Why aren't people planting? Minefields? Regarding those corrupt politicians, where they ever prosecuted for corruption? I'm glad you have at least some natural resources left for your people.
@1snjeguljica
@1snjeguljica 11 жыл бұрын
all greek friends and my new family here. There's no differents for me, we are all the same under the skin!!!
@yugo91aesop
@yugo91aesop 12 жыл бұрын
so your admitting that today's Croats and Bosniaks are Serbs that converted to Islam and Catholicism? good job, you learned something today
@rokopejovski3276
@rokopejovski3276 8 жыл бұрын
Mi imamo yin i yang
@oriontrail
@oriontrail 11 жыл бұрын
In Croatia for ANYTHING you need to have somebody in politics - otherwise you can't get a job, a scholarship, get in a desired school or college, get a room in a dorm or a hosipital treatment! FUCK CORRUPTION!
@Pilgrim07
@Pilgrim07 12 жыл бұрын
Its a pity Croats and Serbs are in such a conflict because they are very closely related peoples.
@savytraveler790
@savytraveler790 3 жыл бұрын
There‘s no conflict between Croats & Serbs, at least no conflict between common people, but yes there’s a political conflict, what caused so much bloodshed. Just in the last 150 years Serbia expanded their territory, more then 50 %. Ever since the Turkish army left Belgrade 1867, and later south Serbia 1910, Serbian nationalists proclaimed expansion as national interest, and „ Nacertanije“ became a political bible of a Serbian expansion. First target of aggressive big Serbian politic were Bulgarians, but Serbs were beaten by Bulgarians., so they turned towards west, annexed Vojvodina 1918, that never was part of Serbia. After 1918 Serbia practically occupied Montenegro, Bosnia & Hercagovina, Macedonia and stretched the power as well in Croatia, Slovenia. In all that Serbia had a full support by English and French. After all what was going on last 100 years Serbian appetite for aggression became just bigger, and first occasion that big Serbian politic might see as good, they’ll start a new expansion war. They’ll loose at end of course.
@croatinho
@croatinho 12 жыл бұрын
ok i saw that you said death to Ustashi i thought that you said to Croats
@P3t3rG1
@P3t3rG1 11 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the Pannonia-Basin is currently is Hungary's never mind the last thousand years. Do one of Hungary but your not that good at it me thinks
@karloman1
@karloman1 6 жыл бұрын
Bosnina is NOT A NATIONALITY. NIR A LANGUAGE. It is a region where Serbs and Croats live. Serbs are Christian orthodox , Croatians are Catholic and those that live in Bosnia are also partly Muslim.
@AvalaNo1
@AvalaNo1 10 жыл бұрын
Google Independent State of Croatia and Ante Pavelic 1941, Jasenovac, and you will "get to know" :)
@yugo91aesop
@yugo91aesop 12 жыл бұрын
I don't even know why I'm wasting time arguing with you. The Serbian state did not fall after the battle of Kosovo, it fell in 1459 after the battle of Smederevo. Only then was the Serbian kingdom fully conquered and incorporated into the Otttoman Empire. At the battle of Kosovo, the heart of the SErbian kingdom was conquered i.e. Kosovo, but the periphery of hte state was not (Sumadija, Raska etc.) It was not until 1459 after the battle of Smederevo that this occured
@MySyd2010
@MySyd2010 12 жыл бұрын
It's not about weakening Serbia. It's about teaching Serbs to live with other European communities in harmony, which you still have not learnt how to do. No one is currently capable of living with the Serbs. Take Montenegro as an example - even they don't want to live with you, despite being of similar cultural background. There are frequent reports of Hungarians being beaten up in Vojvodina all the time - what have they ever done to you?
@dadozlo
@dadozlo 11 жыл бұрын
925. Rex Croatorum
@yugo91aesop
@yugo91aesop 12 жыл бұрын
you need proof? no worries, just look up in wikipedia the krka and krupa monasteries. They are Serbian Orthodox Churches built in 1317 and 1345. That means that Serbs were living in those areas in the middle ages all the way near knin and south. After many years under Venice, lots of those Serbs converted to Catholicism. Now they call themselves Croats, but in reality, they are simply catholic serbs.
@PMMagro
@PMMagro 9 жыл бұрын
The croats havebeen dominated by the Austrians/Germans and Hungarians quite some time, This is the background for teh fierce Craot nationalism, the nation has been threathen and domianted by others a lot..
@TheInsaiyan
@TheInsaiyan 7 жыл бұрын
Peter Magro croatian genes are made up of War thanks to the Harsh history. If someone considers this than it is clear why Croats are still very Nationalistic. To an extend this is also true for Serbs. Since the beginning of modern civilization no place on earth was shaped and influenced by war like the Balkan was. Let's see what the future holds.
@nemampojma1244
@nemampojma1244 8 жыл бұрын
God and Croatians ! That arent really borders of Cro. It was bigger and it will be bigger because God will show the truth. PROUD TO BE CROATIAN.
@xCeL46
@xCeL46 8 жыл бұрын
+Josip Raič God does'nt exist
@josephcro2138
@josephcro2138 8 жыл бұрын
ja sam hrvat i ti prijatelju nisi normalan
@nemampojma1244
@nemampojma1244 8 жыл бұрын
+Josip Čutura E prijatelju ti misli kako hoćeš. Ja znam da ovo nisu prave granice zato što hrvati žive i u BiH,Srbiji i Mađarskoj. Pa ja sam hrvat iz Hercegovine, eto ti dokaz. A vi ako smatrate da Bog nepostoji nisam vam kriv što ste komunjare. Sudit će vam Bog kada dođete gore šta god vi o njemu smatrali.
@josephcro2138
@josephcro2138 8 жыл бұрын
+Josip Raič prijatelju ja sam iz Posušja Hercegovina, ne mozes govorit tako imperijalisticki. Kad bi se vodilo po tvojoj logici onda bi cigani imali najveću drzavu na svitu jer nema drzave u kojoj ih nema. Nemoj odma napadat, sve sto nije ekstremno desno ne znaci da je komunističko
@nemampojma1244
@nemampojma1244 8 жыл бұрын
+Josip Čutura E izvini prijatelju ako sam te povrijedio ali ja smtram da Hercegovna pripada HR a za ostale krajeve logicno je nemoguce pripojit ali ima nas. Jer po logici tvojoj Srbi trebali imat puno manju drzavu isto kao i BiH .
@MySyd2010
@MySyd2010 12 жыл бұрын
Through all of my posts I've been trying to promote reconciliation, rather than lies. I'm not a nationalist & I'm really sorry for what the Ustasha did in WW2. I'm trying to promote the Balkans to move forward but we cannot do this if we continue to have this eye-4-an-eye attitude. The war finished 17yrs ago, the current Croat government is very moderate & we have Serbs as deputy Prime Ministers. Do I have Pavelic all over my KZbin page? No, & I wouldn't as it would hurt people.
@Peristerygr
@Peristerygr 11 жыл бұрын
I suppose so! Even in Italy and Germany there were resistant movements! But that doesn't mean that those counties weren't fascistic and member of the Axis! So I suppose there are many people think good of Ustasi -conserning that there was the only period for at least 500 years before 1991 where Croats have a state! In fact your responce is so far the only comming from a Croat who is NOT full of hate, regressive ultranationalism and anti-Greek sentiment -due to our friendship with the Serbs!
@TheMilemali
@TheMilemali 10 жыл бұрын
ethnic diversity? bosnians? what a pile of crap. there is 4% of serbs livning in croatia and bosniaks (not bosnians) are not even 1%. and they nevere where. before war there was more than 10% of serbs. so, what ethnic diversity is that? my god, next time try to learn something before posting something in public... @Trekkboer88, sorry for ruining your vision, but war in croatia ended in 1995. serbia was bombed in 1998. unless if you are serb living in sweden. in that case, it's ok.
@daman1209
@daman1209 10 жыл бұрын
Prior to the war in the 90s roughly 1/4 of the population in Croatia was Serb. Anyone who identified themselves as Yugoslavian rather than an individual ethnic group in the censuses generally were Serb. There were almost just as much Bosnians, Romas, Slovenians and Italians put together as there were Serbs. Croatians barely made up the majority in the modern day country. Prior to WWII the minority populations would've been even larger. The reason why only 5% of modern day Croatia is Non-Croatian is because there were repeated genocides against minorities in the country. Personally i don't see a difference between the lot of them and i think the goals in the war were stupid. We all speak the same language, we all have the same culture, same food, same names, generally similar histories, we look the same. Chances are we're the same people.
@anteradnic9007
@anteradnic9007 10 жыл бұрын
daman1209 , well, i found strange from my point of view that in first half of text you are speaking about repeated genocides in croatia and in other half that chances are that we're same people. let's strat from the end. we don't have same culture, we dont't have same food, we don't have similar histories, we don't even look the same. that is not racism, that's just the way it is. reason for all that lies in fact that we where part of habsburg empire and you where part of ottoman empire. for half a millennium. that small element makes our food, culture, history and even look different. we all know that both kingdom of yugoslavia and last one, so called, socialist republic, yugoslavia where founded in war and both collapsed in war. first one lasted for 23 yrs and second one for 46. my grandfather is older than both yugoslavias lasted together. there is a reason for that. maybe one of them is colonizing serbs in croatia after ww1 and ww2, mainly on german and croatian properties. just like your teachers did in ireland with black and tans. now, about those genocides... i can't understand why you people MUST comment every clip about croatia on youtube? and why every comment must be about genocide? if you are thinking about ww2, how is it possible that in 1931 there was 18% of serbs and in 1948 15% of them in croatia? in that case it was a pretty lousy genocide. unlike one that you performed on jews in same period, making your country european's first juden-frei country. or what you did to albanians in 1912 and 1913. you been in war with every country around you in 20th. century. and that's not nice. think positive, be positve ;) make love, not war...
@daman1209
@daman1209 10 жыл бұрын
Ante Radnic I personally have Croatian, Serb and Bosnian relatives and i can tell you right now there is no difference between them. I bet you've never even been in another nationalities house. The only differences are in the slang. If you're trying to tell me that they're different languages because of slang then i guess by your mentality the Irish, Scots, Americans, Australians, South Africans and Indians don't speak English because they use slang? And Serbs colonising in WW1 & 2? What? Mate someone must've really brainwashed you because Serbs have been in Modern day Croatia since Roman Empires have been around. The only other time there was ever a big influx of Serbs from modern day Serbia and Bosnia into Croatia wasn't until the your Austro-hungarians conquered Croatia in the middle ages. They encouraged large amounts of Serb migrants (and later refugees) to settle in borderlands around Croatia. They even allowed the Serbs to manage the lands provided to them autonomously and there weren't any Austrian/hungarian/Croatian nobilities owning the land there. The Croation-Serbs were perhaps the only people in Croatia that weren't under serdom. The reasons for this was that Serbs were known to be a resistive people at the time and having the settlements on the border could provide a buffer against the Ottomans. Many Croatians also fled, leaving land empty because Ottomans often raided and pillaged bordering lands that they couldn't conquer and control. This is why today in Germany, Italy but especially Austria there are large Croatian communities. There are provinces in Austria where Croation is spoken on the street. The then Austro-hungarians stuck the Serbs there to work the previously empty and pillaged land and to provide resistance. And in regards to property seizing if anyone did any property seizing it was was Croation in the last war and their new squatting laws that encourage it. I have family, both Croatian and Serb in Croatia and they can tell you about how they saw properties getting seized by nationalist Croatians. And now they have laws that if you lived in someones house without paying for 6 or more years, by force or not, that property legally becomes yours. Clearly this law was made to help Croatians seize minority properties. Then there was also the incidents where serb properties regardless of size, quality or location had fixed prices. Also i just want to add that a lot of those stats that say Serbs only make up X% of the population is statistically limited because it doesn't account for Serbs who considered themselves Yugoslav or Serbs who were catholic. And believe be there were A LOT.
@anteradnic9007
@anteradnic9007 10 жыл бұрын
daman1209 my god, you are internet warrior. i never talk to one of you people. nice to meet you... i wanted to stop reading when i saw that you are mentioning roman empire and serbian bravery in same text :D a have lived, drank, worked and many more things with more different nationalities in my 24 yrs than you will in you whole life probably will ever. And i just finished final exams on maritime engineering so line is going on ;) no need to say that some of them are bosniaks, some of them are serbs... i also have serbs in my family. so what? having someone in your family is not making you less ignorant or more tolerant. is it slovakian same language as czech? is it bulgarian same as macedonian? is it russian same as ukranian? you have ruined idea of pan-slavism with stupid violent politics and that same politics get you in place where you are right now. only problem is that a rest of your people suffers because idiots like šešelj, mladić, karadžić, arkan, milošević and others... serbs where colonising east croatia (and podrinje region in bosnia) after ww1. they where called "solunaši", since large number of them got propertys in name of their war credits. in case if you want to know more, i would recommend book "seljaštvo jugoslavije 1848 - 1948" by dr. bogdan stoisavljević. good, but rare. i have it in my personal libary ;) now, i don't think that there is any need of mentioning colonisation after ww2. or should i? if you wont i can give you some authors so you can learn more, outside of wiki and yt. and that crap about croatian laws for property seizing is just one myth more. i know that you are heavenly nation, but you should get back on earth... my point was (at the very beginning) that there is no large number of bosniaks or serbs in croatia. and that's just way it is. sorry. bosniaks never lived in croatia before communism and serbs where abouth 10% of the population before the war and 4% now. and that is not ethnic diversity.
@daman1209
@daman1209 10 жыл бұрын
Ante Radnic I'll start from the bottom. I can see you pretty much ignored everything i said in regards to the ethnic diversity. And bosniaks did live in Croatia prior to communism. I've personally met a family that came from from a muslim village in southern-central Croatia and they say their family has been in that since at least their great-great-great grandpa, other families even more they say. And that land seizing is not a myth. My grandfather on the Croatian side of my family (so he is full-blood-croatian) had 1/4 of his land taken because some guy built his house on it. My grandpa took it to court and lost on the ground that the land hadn't been maintained by anyone but that guy in almost a decade so my grandpa lost. As far as the land seizing of Serb properties goes a lot of what i know about it is from word of mouth but considering the earlier information i wouldn't be surprised. The price fixing though is true. My Serb grandfather on my other side of the family couldn't sell his house for more than $40,000 Euros even though the house was a near mansion in the centre of the village. Initially my grandpa thought it was because of the war many people left the village and there wasn't a demand but he later found out a Croatian neighbour down the road from his house sold his for over $200,000 Euros and it was a shit box. Later on my grandpa found out all the serb properties in the village were being sold for the same amount give or take a few thousand and my grandpa even got told "If you don't sell your house now we can't guarantee you'll still have a roof on it a month from now. Sell now and get something or wait and get nothing. People around here often pull things off other people's houses that are empty". Eventually he sold it off to the government and they sold it to someone else probably. This Dr. Bogdan Stoisavljević i tried googling his book to read and found nothing. Probably some Ustash writer that couldn't sell many copies of his book because it was pure propaganda just like Mein Kampf. Serbs have been in Croatia for a very long time. On my Serb side of the family my 7th uncle (So his kids are my 8th cousins) traced back our family (just in that village) 460 years! How many centuries back can you trace yours? For all you know you might have a bit of Serb in you lol. We might be cousins lmao. Also in regards to whether or not i reckon all those nationalities you mentioned are the same, yes i do think they're the same. I do think Ukrainian and Russians are the same, I do rekon Macodonians and Bulgarians are the same and i do believe Czecs and slovakian is the same. Lastly in regards to you working with different nationalities good on you. I had an Ustash that i went school with and he would shake hands and joke with indians and blacks, then behind their back he would call them "Cigans". For some reason he thought i shared his views (probably because i went to a catholic school with him) so he use to tell me a lot of shit. He was some goose Hertzagovac that went around telling people he was from zagreb lol. I bet you're the same. See i live in Australia and we're the most multicultural country on the planet, even more than America and England. On my street alone there are 12 different nationalities and 4 religions. Within my group of friends each one of us is a different nationality. So please do not tell me about how you've met more different people than me. I bet you're some Ustash living in Sweden.
@Porkeater2610957
@Porkeater2610957 8 жыл бұрын
You should have instead done a video about Bosnia & Herzegovina or Serbia, they are much more interesting politically and less stable than Croatia.
@Casio21970
@Casio21970 10 жыл бұрын
AvalaNo1 World War II began 1/9/1939. Find me Croatia on the map of Europe from that year. I only see the kingdom of Yugoslavia. Did not the Germans in April 1941 occupied the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and in Zagreb and Belgrade set Quisling regimes. Have you heard for Croat Josip Broz Tito and the national liberation movement
@aurora2537
@aurora2537 6 жыл бұрын
Casio21970 we existed as people, the Croats
@AvalaNo1
@AvalaNo1 10 жыл бұрын
Tito's partisan were mostly ethnic croatian Serbs. The aim was building a communist state of Yugoslavia. Thats official history, not the new "rewritten" which is popular these days in Germany and Croatia.
@Peristerygr
@Peristerygr 11 жыл бұрын
Kalos orises!
@yugo91aesop
@yugo91aesop 12 жыл бұрын
umm no, serbia was conquered in 1459 after the battle of smederevo. All historians agree upon that, it doesn't matter whether they are serbian or not. Actually Srijem was never pat of Croatian borders, it was part of Hungarian borders, because Croatia was province of Hungary. And say what you like about the churches, but it is proof that enough of a Serbian population lived in those areas for a Serbian church to be built. That means Serbs lived there
@AvalaNo1
@AvalaNo1 10 жыл бұрын
A bit vulgar, but basically the great explanation.
@BoboSLO1
@BoboSLO1 7 жыл бұрын
do slovenia!
@josiprakovac3284
@josiprakovac3284 Жыл бұрын
Hello, my friend. I think you have a fundamentally wrong premise when it comes to geographical challenges for the security of the Croatian state. The Croatian state has only two archetypal enemies; these are Serbia and Italy. Analyze the geographical elements in the scope of the border line and possible areas of combat operations, and you will see that they work in Croatia's favor. In addition, it is logistically impossible to isolate Croatia. I don't even have to talk about the political and military circumstances.
@yeah7329
@yeah7329 11 жыл бұрын
Croatian Republic of Herzeg-Bosnia
@MySyd2010
@MySyd2010 12 жыл бұрын
Don't worry - you can hardly reason with someone who has Ratko Mladic displayed all over their KZbin page. He probably also denies the Srebrenica massacre ever happened.
@nikola9278
@nikola9278 11 жыл бұрын
We are not related to the Serbs. The Serbs are a strange mixture of Asian peoples who later Slavenised.Croats are true Slavs, White skin, light hair. Serbs have much darker skin. They are fictional nation. Even speak Croatian, actually one of our dialects. 500 years have been under the occupation of the Ottoman Empire. Serbs were forbidden to speak their native language. They spoke Turkish and Arabic. After, the Vuk Karadzic took Croatian dialekt (eastern Croatia) and called it Serbian language
@zilonzilon4047
@zilonzilon4047 6 жыл бұрын
CROATINS ARE NOT SLAV,SOME HİSTORİANS SAYS CROATINS CAME FROM MED,COMING FROM KURDISTAN
@Paintballerfromhell1
@Paintballerfromhell1 12 жыл бұрын
Bosnians?That is not a nation.In Bosnia you have Croats,Serbs and muslims.
@Casio21970
@Casio21970 10 жыл бұрын
World War II began 1/9/1939. Find me Croatia on the map of Europe from that year. I only see the kingdom of Yugoslavia. Did not the Germans in April 1941 occupied the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and in Zagreb and Belgrade set Quisling regimes. Have you heard for Croat Josip Broz Tito and the national liberation movement
@dadozlo
@dadozlo 11 жыл бұрын
molim...ma koja to... akoje neki objekat iz 14st a vi gaposlje prenamjenite u manastir..neznaci da je manastir toliko star..ubiti pravoslavlje..vec objekat.... koliko je onda aja sofia stara..danas dzamija (nastala/izgraden je prije islama a danas top dzamija)
@ToiYeuYAHWEH
@ToiYeuYAHWEH 12 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you are not wasting time against Croatia. You need to have more Serbian babies to grow your strinking populations, strengthen your industries, open up more trade, establish more friends with other countries & build world-class universities. That's my best advice to you. Do you sell weapons? Vietnam is buying the MOST ADVANCED weapons from Russia, Japan, Korea & others to fight china in an upcoming war. We have already spent billions of dollars & will spend more. We need to buy more.
@yugo91aesop
@yugo91aesop 12 жыл бұрын
Historically speaking, there are only three South Slav nations: Croats, Serbs, and Bulgarians. The Croatian territory consists of Kajkavian and Cakavian speaking areas of Croatia, and Slovenia. Today's Slovenes are the descedants of the real Croats The Serbian territory consists of Serbia, Bosnia, Dalmatia, Vojvodina and Slavonija. Here the STokavian language is spoken, i.e. Serbian. And Bulgarian territory consists of Bulgaria and Macedonia.
@yugo91aesop
@yugo91aesop 12 жыл бұрын
umm Serbia was conquered by the Turks in 1459 Serbian monasteries in Dalmatia Krka and Krupa were built in 1317 and 1345 so obviously Serbs lived in Dalmatia before the Ottoman invasion
@zilonzilon4047
@zilonzilon4047 6 жыл бұрын
THEY WASNT TURKS,THEY WAS ASSIMILATED FRM BZYTINA,THE TURKS WAS JUST TAKE A POWER AT 1923 AND CRATE TURKEY,THE ANATOLİA NEVER BELONG THE TURKS,THE TURKS ARE NOMADS AND CAME FROM MİDDLE ASİA
@HrvatskiSin
@HrvatskiSin 6 жыл бұрын
define bosnian nation to me please?
@milat4351
@milat4351 6 жыл бұрын
muslimani..
@ljubomirvelikic9293
@ljubomirvelikic9293 6 жыл бұрын
muris mujic Croats liberated the Bihac pocket and all the muslims there during Operation Storm, led by Ante Gotovina. Those are some of your people who fought and died for Bosnia.
@HrvatskiSin
@HrvatskiSin 6 жыл бұрын
muris mujic the fuck are u saying?there is not Bosnian nation..there are Bosnians,Serbs and Croats(pick one)...going on if u picked Bosniak or Serb u are not brother or allie to Croats...we have been until u attacked us thinking u have more right on BiH and cuz u couldnt take land from Serbs that got heavily armed by JNA..action in 95' was action of both sides Croats(HV/HVO) and Bosniaks(ABiH) which doesnt make us allies
@HrvatskiSin
@HrvatskiSin 6 жыл бұрын
muris mujic lol u do know that Croats and Bosniaks voted for independent BiH?and after that Serbs with JNA attacked Ravno a Croat village when Izetbegovic said "this isnt our war"?? What??ur teritory is attacked and it isnt your war?what else could Croats do exept organize ans fight?but then after ABiH was formed u wanted Croats to come under your control...that obviously wasnt going to happen and u proclaim them as agressors?we have seen how much people said that they are Bosnian Catholic in 2013...stop saying that stupid shit lol
@milat4351
@milat4351 6 жыл бұрын
where did they go they are still one of the strongest minority hello?
@AdrianoCROST
@AdrianoCROST 11 жыл бұрын
Not whole Croatia but rougly half of Croatia is in Balkan.
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