CROSSLAND CC1 - The Best Single Boiler You've Never Heard Of

[@Sprometheus]

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[@RaymondSTraynor]

As an owner of a Crossland CC1 v2 since ~2014, I've enjoyed my home espresso experience. Having previously owned a La Marzocca GS/2 back in the early 90's, I got spoiled drinking velvety, dark, traditional espresso and I subsequently struggled for years trying to find a compact, countertop, prosumer machine, that enabled me to pull consistent quality and tasty shots at home. Besides liking the size (it doesn't dominate my kitchen counter), it's easy to clean and perform routine maintenance. Having a PID was key to me at the time of purchase; and I've grown accustomed to the simple menu and the degree of control that it provides. My shot quality improved when I added the Crossland Bottomless Portafilter; as well by periodically adjusting brew temperature based on the coffee I'm brewing. Having such a reasonably priced machine, with good aesthetics, and with pre-infusion is awesome! Recently, I began using the Niche Zero grinder along with a WDT - resulting in even better flavors from my home roasted coffee! I've toyed with the idea of upgrading to a LeLit Bianca V3 or a Decent DE1Pro, but after hearing your review of the Bianca and now your review of the CC1, I think I'll stick with the CC1 a little longer. Thanks for all you do to help me elevate my espresso experience!!

[@saribmahmood]

Does it have hot water outlet for americanos?

[@superlloito]

Proud owner of a CC1 since Jan 2021 and it's been a great experience so far. Thanks for the review, always asked myself why this piece of gear was not being talked about more in the mainstream forums particularly when it's such a great cost to value option for begining your espresso journey.

[@alexcalangi1362]

Hi! Have you owned a GCP with Mods (PID, Dimmer, OPV Spring, etc.)? Is the CC1 better?

[@superlloito]

@@alexcalangi1362 no, I have not owned a GCP. I just can state that the CC1 has been a solid performer for me.

[@Doofaraine]

I got so excited when I first saw your Short featuring the CC1. My Fiancée and I got one as a hand me down/starter espresso machine about a year ago and have been learning as we go ever since. There’s so little information out there about the CC1, and frankly it took us a while to get comfortable using it. Now we love it!

[@ethiopianbuffman]

Another point for CC1 vs Silvia ProX is the screen. The screen that is on the CC1 is way more readable and user friendly and frankly something that should be on the ProX for the price point. The CC1 is kind of in this weird space where it is overlooked because of the price. It is definitely better than Silvia, but with used GCPs and Silvia on the market all the time for cheap, it is easy to overlook this machine. I think it is really CC1 and Profitec Go as single boiler machine sub 1k that i would recommend for out of the box use. Lelit Anna is another option if you don't care about 58mm, but probably take the CC1 over it.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah that’s a good point. The second hand market for the Gaggia and Siliva, and even less popular options like Lelits are definitely more widely available. The CC1 definitely strikes me as an out of the box machine, I wouldn’t mess around too much with it, but for the price and what it delivers I was pretty impressed.

[@philipurquiza]

@@Sprometheus Yeap, I have the profitec go and really miss some preinfusion with it. I have the DF64 with SSP MP and have a hard time to extract light roast without the pre infusion. That being said; do you have any tips on how to use ssp mp and straight 9 bar machines?

[@robojimtv]

Lelit does make the Victoria that takes a 58mm portafilter but it does go for about 1100

[@WeBuild4Life]

I owned a CC1 long ago upgraded to the Decent a few years ago but the CC1 is great!

[@WeBuild4Life]

Also Bill supports his product and is a great guy!

[@slam854]

I chose the CC1 when Bill & SCG introduced it. Learned on this machine making some excellent espresso. Years later sold to a friend to get a Rocket which never extracted as well. I emailed Bill who provided Protechnicon link. I am happily making great espresso and milk drinks. This is a fabulous machine. Grinder is Ceado E64 used in untimed mode. ☕

[@kaush23]

I’ve bought two of these machines since 2010ish and they’re both still working well. Given I had to do some major surgery on my 1.0 machine to keep it alive, but couldn’t be happier with how well it has served me. I’m glad you made this video because in my opinion even over 10 years after launching, the CC1 is the best value home espresso machine under $1.5k. Even though you can’t pull a shot and steam at the same time, the separate thermoblock steamer guarantees steam is ready to go without 20 seconds of pulling a shot. And no need to wait for the boiler to cool down before pulling a shot after. steaming. It’s great!

[@kaush23]

@Sprometheus I like that wooden handle on your bottomless. Where can I get it?

[@CarlosVargas-js8qz]

Your review style keeping it short and entertaining is excellent brother. Keep them coming!

[@Sprometheus]

Thanks Carlos!🙏

[@slam854]

I used this machine often and always find it producing an incredible extraction. I have the work flow down so shots are always consistent.

[@michaelepstein7172]

I bought one of these a couple years ago and I agree, the feature set for what you get is pretty great. Having a PID, 58MM Portafilter and separate thermal lock for steam has been a major upgrade from my old breville. That said, there are some quality/fit and finish issues. The machine was delivered to me with a steam wand that was not fully attached. I just had to tighten it down and it’s works perfect for 2 years now but it’s not great that a machine gets delivered with stuff dangling off. Also, my portafilter doesn’t lock in a 6 o,clock. I’ve got to crank it all the way to the right to keep it from leaking and with some aftermarket baskets, it can’t get it locked in at all. Luckily, my 18g vst fits so, it hasn’t really been an issue. I noticed yours locks in straight so hopefully they fixed this. Also, just something I’ve noticed, the flow rate was way faster than my old breville. I didn’t measure it, but I remember being surprised when I saw how much faster water was coming out of the group head. Knowing what I know now about espresso I suspect this is having a negative affect on extraction, and anecdotally I do feel like it’s tough to dial in lighter roasts but you’ve brewed on way more stuff than I have. Don’t get me wrong, I think the machine offers great value, but if your asking why this machine hasn’t sold better, I think it’s because the build quality is kinda cheap and you’ve gotta be willing to make that trade off for the features

[@slam854]

The new CC1 ships with silicone brew head gaskets. It can seal well with light pressure. Once brewing has begun there is no moving the portafilter arm. Best to over tighten slightly.

[@mrjanick2]

This is an updated version of a Taiwanese machine called Gee espresso machine. You can still find the video on KZbin.

[@qwerasdf122]

I had a CC1 (technically still do) for about 7 months and recently upgraded to a Decent. I also never used the auto shot stopper even though I fully expected to when I originally bought it. One of the main reasons why I upgraded so soon was because I found it pretty hard to find parts (bottomless portafilter, group gaskets) but I think my entire ownership spanned a migration from G&H Grinding to Pantechnicon design as the distributor. Things would be OOS for months on end. I'm hoping that transition is over because it's really the only thing I would warn prospective buyers of. If I didn't have the budget to upgrade to the Decent, I probably would have stuck with the CC1 for a lot longer and started messing with the OPV to pull it down from the factory ~9 bar to around 6-7.

[@tummy_fritters]

Nice to see something interesting in this price range. Would be cool if they could do an upgraded model with a pressure gauge.

[@MySierraNevadaLife]

I bet there is a way to mod it, might require drilling and adding a pressure gauge somewhere

[@daviddyer6751]

I bought one of these machines not too long after they made their debut. Loved the simple, straightforward utilitarian feel of it. But could not control the pressure when pulling shots, in order to reduce it from the 13 bar that I seemed to be measuring. The OPV valve was only slightly adjustable, by heading into machine and I making a manual adjustment. So I shopped a replacement, and was not able to come up with a replacement that would fit this machine. For this reason, I sadly said goodbye to it. Maybe this is not an issue currently? I am a fan of Bill Crossland, who graciously responded to an email I sent him shortly after receiving the machine.

[@user-lv7ph7hs7l]

I mean you can add a control to the pump but that voids the warranty so yeah...

[@AlexandruStan96]

I think I just found what I'm looking for. This product seems like the perfect espresso machine for premium entry-level espresso enthusiasts. Yes, it could have benefited from a pressure gauge, but let's get real, nothing's perfect. I will thank you once I'm done convincing myself of buying it.

[@troym3219]

I've had my CC1 V2 for seven years. I pull a double shot every morning and steam milk for my cappuccino. The thing has never broken or wavered in any way. I haven't even had to replace the grouphead gasket. Just consistent performance. I'm a restless bean buyer, so I'm constantly changing bean varietals and roast levels. I readjust my brew times and temperatures, and have always been able to dial in a great tasting shot. I bought a $38 pressure gauge on Amazon and it reported 10.5 bars of static pressure at the portafilter, which means it is around 9 bars when running a shot, which is perfect. I've never had to adjust the OPV, but it's easily accessible from opening the top of the machine, by literally removing six screws. The machine has never had huge market share because the inventor, Bill Crossland was making these basically in low volumes on the side, as he is an engineer in his real life. He's never put capital into advertising or ramping up major production, and has never sold business to a larger manufacturer. Don't let market-share fool you. This is a machine packed with features that other machines from $1K more do not have. In my opinion, it has the best PID on the market. You can tell an engineer and not a marketing team designed it. I bought it on SCG, which no longer sells it since they sold to an investment group. You can buy them from Pantechnicon Design online now.

[@puuppapoksy9150]

3:20 "Waitting Time" XD

[@Sprometheus]

They also put “prs-steam” instead of pre-steam, I didn’t even notice it until I was editing the close ups haha.

[@johnsummerfield3590]

Seattle coffee gear use to sale this machine. I considered it for the PID and the 58mm portafilter. I was concerned that the power draw for the thermoblock would trip the 15 amp circuit breaker. I decided on a Lelit Anna with a PID. It took a while to obtain 57mm accessories such as precision baskets. Still this machine is interesting and at the price seems to be a great value.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah I think power draw is one of those things a lot of people don’t think about until you have a machine that blacks out your kitchen. I never thought about it until I had the Mini and realized I can use any other appliance while it was on. Also, Lelit is crazy for making it a 57 and not just adding one millimeter, haha.

[@Zirassi]

I almost bought one of these from Seattle Coffee Gear, ended up buying one on ebay, which I eventually stopped using because i wasn't getting satisfactory results(my refurbished grinder needed repairs from baratza, as I eventually discovered). It's still sitting neglected in my kitchen closet- I should sell it.

[@kylina3432]

Did you decide to list it? If so, may I ask if it's sold yet? I hate thinking of it sitting unused...

[@cheekster777]

Thank you my friend. Wishing you a wonderful weekend.

[@Sprometheus]

You’re welcome Cheekster, have a great weekend as well!

[@brentroman]

Thanks for making this video. A while back, I was looking into a small footprint espresso machine for the home (best bang for buck). I came across the Crossland, but wasn't able to find anyone selling it (at the time). Thanks for letting us know and doing a review on it!

[@leroythecoffeegeek4611]

They’ve actually been around for quite a while now, but are only sold in Nth America. The little steam ‘boiler’ is actually a thermoblock and is a very clever way to heat the water for steam without superheating the boiler.

[@unsharted_territory]

When I was shopping for my first machine I was between this one and the Silvia. After seeing this video I regret not getting the cc1. I ended up moving from my Silvia (very quickly) to the the flair 58.

[@marksangria]

how do you like your flair 58? the one with the electronics? (not 58x?)

[@unsharted_territory]

@@marksangria Yes the regular 58 not x. Love it, especially since we don't really like milk based drinks at home. Love having a maintenance free machine that is lightweight and can be and has very little limitations. 💯

[@TonyDL]

Very interesting review of the Crossland CC1! Being techy, I love the screen and PID /wait time adjustments! Another machine that I believe is in a similar unknown space is the Quick Mill Silvano Evo. At $1200 I can't believe more people are not considering it with all its features. Yeah I am biased as I bought one 3 years ago, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on why the QM also is not very popular with its PID shot timer, brew pressure gauge and adjustment, and fairly powerful thermoblock steam arm. Thanks!

[@metalslug38]

Ive never heard of Crossland. Im thinking of upgrading soon, i have a breville sage rn. I was looking at silvia and gaggia but this seems great. The control over heat temp is a great feature. The price is in a decent range aswell. So far this seems to be my upgrade.

[@NoZenith]

I'm shopping as well. Have you ever heard of the Ascaso brand?

[@gregorio5543]

Seems nice and would suit most users. It probably hasn't caught on probably for aesthetic reasons. Its kind of appliance looking and looks cheap.

[@dwfpouqweojhfhoqwef]

Great review. Loved hearing the background on Bill Crossland. The machine looks like a great value.

[@gregl4244]

The Crossland did make a pretty big splash when it was being developed and when it hit the market. Have not heard much since though. Thanks for the review

[@abhinavmukherjee2897]

It just reached the top of my list of the espresso machine I wanted to buy! Thank you!!

[@royh2618]

I had one. It performs great! I sold it to get a La Spaziale. My only complaint, if any, is the looks.

[@marksangria]

do you taste a difference between the La Spaziale and this)

[@royh2618]

@@marksangria I dont think so unless I tried the espresso back to back. Crossland is a fine machine and has a ton of features if you want to "tweek" your brew. Ive had 10 machines over the years and its definitely in the top 3. You cannot go wrong for the price. I got rid of the Spaziale because i had the internals repaired twice in 3 years. It does produce excellent espresso but is not reliable in my experience. I have a Bezzera BZ13 which was recently replaced with a Profitec Pro 400, which I like a lot. I do miss the PID function of my previous machines.

[@hvgotcodes]

Well timed, Im considering upgrades for my Bambino+, sipping my freshly made Americano.

[@marksangria]

get it. I had a Bambino Plus and now have a Breville Dual Boiler. For the money especially with a lot of machines going up steeply in price over the last year, and having my BDB for at least a year+, I think this is the way to go, even considering it's downsides

[@NevrNewd]

Looks really interesting. I’ve got the GCP upgraded with the BoostBox from Peter Harvath that gives PID, dimmer switch, pressure gauge and steam boost which brings the total cost to about the same as the CC1. Pretty happy with my setup but for someone that didn’t want to mess with installing some mods, this could be a really tempting option.

[@Sprometheus]

Absolutely. Modding can be a daunting task, so this is a solid option for those not looking to break out the toolbox.

[@kaush23]

@@Sprometheus I like that wooden handle on your bottomless. Where can I get it?

[@staceyramirez7843]

Hi, wish you the best, where can I check out that GCP upgraded with the boost box? Thank you beforehand

[@ThisIsFro]

I'm still waiting for the review of that Varia scale you've had in a lot of the recent videos :)

[@Sprometheus]

It’s coming. Just gotta figure out the logistics haha

[@markmyronyuk4967]

Would be interesting to hear more about milk steaming experience. How long does it take to steam milk and what is a break time needed between dealing with milk and pulling a shot

[@Sprometheus]

The time it takes depends on the volume, but the 6oz I showed in the video took me about 30-45 seconds. From shot to stream ready takes between 15-30 seconds.

[@WeBuild4Life]

@@Sprometheus I steamed on one for about 4 years. It is not as quick as say the decent (maybe 50sec vs 20sec for 6oz) but the quality of foam is very good, and it is consistent and easy to use. Workflow is better to pull a shot, then steam, as going the other way seemed to mess up the boiler sometimes for shot temp but yeah.

[@KhGoosey]

I've been interested in this machine for a bit (currently have a GC) but have been told the steam capacity is a big draw back. Based on this video, seems like its not bad actually.

[@lukmanlukman6847]

I saw this machine in the background of your previous video. And I thought it was new Gaggia line up 😅

[@Sprometheus]

It definitely looks like a Gaggia relative for sure.

[@quiksilver789]

Your latte art is gorgeous!!

[@Sprometheus]

Thank you my friend!

[@robbchristensen1151]

Just took delivery of one this week. After seeing this video I reached to Pantechicon Design and purchased one of their demo machines in black and I couldn't be happier. I also bought a pressure gauge and mounted to the spouted filter and can verify that the pressure is running at just a hair over 9 bar. I think it's a great machine for the money and for me to get my feet wet with my foray into learning how to brew expresso. As for not having a community for modding suggestions, well hopefully that will change but as for out of the box I couldn't really ask for much more. Thank you for making the video and helping me with my decision on my first machine.

[@overmedium2]

Hi, i have my eye on this machine now. Can you tell me which pressure gauge you bought?

[@RoyHamblen-ps6hk]

I’ve been looking at this for awhile now and am wondering what your thoughts are now a couple months into it? Thanks

[@RoyHamblen-ps6hk]

Did you end up selling the cc1 yet? Lets talk if not

[@robbchristensen1151]

@@RoyHamblen-ps6hk loving the machine does everything I want it to do! Great for my needs but I’m a beginner.

[@robbchristensen1151]

@@overmedium2 just bought a cheap off eBay it shipped from the UK and it came with a gauge and bleeder valve to mount to the stock porta filter

[@hesa_jigalo]

Wow seems like a lotta value. If I didn’t already have a gaggia might have considered spending the extra casheesh

[@TheAlexRosas]

I debated getting a CC1 back in 2019 but compared to the ECM Casa V I found it just didn’t impress me visually. I had no idea it was this feature rich. Very neat.

[@JoseGabelaCuesta]

I was transported 10 years ago, when I was beginning my specialty coffee journey and career. I used to watch Kat & Gail videos on this machine. The fact that it was a Bill Crossland design was the main reason for considering it, but I bought into the hype and went for the Gaggia Classic. I sometimes, still regret it😕

[@planetfabulous5833]

Kat and Gail were THE BEST! SCG went completely downhill after Kat left. Do you remember Bunny too??

[@JoseGabelaCuesta]

@@planetfabulous5833 I do remember Queen B !

[@joey.frank1]

Anyone have experience with this compared to the profitec go? This comes in a bit cheaper than the profitec, but seems to have many of the same features. Wondering how build quality and workflow compares between the two, since the profitec has caught my attention recently.

[@user-lv7ph7hs7l]

Always thought single boiler + thermocoil steam could be a viable option if done right. Steam power from thermocoils can be from extremely lacking (looking at you Ascaso) to commercial grade power able to steam 1L in 20s.

[@icarian76]

Very cool to see a newer vid on the CC1. I just looked up the receipt for ours and we bought it October 2013. It has been (and still is) a single boiler champ. Aesthetically, meh. But it does its job well.

[@db7069]

Would have been an interesting option to my upgraded GCP when I started my home coffee obsession/stupidity. I've gone off the deep end with my Lelit Bianca V3 at this point so that ship has sailed. 😀

[@Sprometheus]

Well the Bianca is on another plain of existence! That’s a machine that you’ll never get tired of.

[@db7069]

@@Sprometheus I made the purchase mostly on your review. I love that machine. Thank you

[@CoffeeGeek]

LOL. I've heard of it. I still have a prototype and a very early production model in the basement from a decade ago. I love Bill Crossland. Fun fact: he's taken over Kyle Anderson's role at Baratza (Kyle is semi retired).

[@napatt.7943]

I was looking for a single boiler and you dropped this? Dang

[@DavidLikesCoffee]

I had one of these years ago and was also frustrated about the lack of any manual or semi-auto control. The features are amazing but sold it after a few years because of the user interface.

[@ThatUNCWguy]

I’m hoping to upgrade from a cheap starter Cafe Roma by the end of the year. I was pretty set on a GCP but this is making me reconsider

[@Acontinouslean]

This looks great . I never use my flair 58 because I don’t like the design of the heating and haven’t had many great shots from it . I’m going to pick one of these up

[@classicrockonly]

I’m a current Flair 58 owner and trying to replace it with something my wife will also enjoy using. Did you get the CC1? Something else?

[@Acontinouslean]

@@classicrockonly I never bought it , but it’s definitely a good option ! This or the breville bambino

[@classicrockonly]

@@Acontinouslean I'm super torn right now. The Profitec GO looks like the machine for me but my wife and I only agree on black, which is sold out and no sign of availability again :( in terms of getting a semi auto machine to replace the Flair 58, you can't get anything cheap lol

[@bettercoffeequest]

This is so tempting for a beginner!

[@erikroisland5016]

I considered the CC1 years ago but ultimately passed due to the lack of quality reviews or info on forums. I believe what little I found said the reliability was hit or miss. I found so little on the device I figured it was discontinued as well, so I didn't pursue it. If I recall, this is the exact same model, which makes me wonder why an updated version was never issued. That certainly would have drawn attention and renewed interest. With all the arduino Gaggia mods now, the CC1 has new competition if you're willing to get under the hood.

[@greddoch95]

They're technically on the V2.0

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

This is a pretty cool little machine! With the pre-infusion and bloom settings, along with an adjustable OPV I bet it makes some great espresso out of the box! Definitely something to keep an eye on.

[@Hahahalovehate88]

I’m actually in the market for a Profitec Go right now-any thoughts in comparison to the CC1?

[@DaddyMakesCoffee]

Not heard about before but the price tag is intresting. I have no idea about Silvia but definetly is better replacement for Gaggia and Breville.

[@robojimtv]

Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised to see a CC2 dual boiler model in the future

[@chrisherbert4454]

I was looking at this vs the Silvia and Silvia with PID i went with the Silvia and later added the PID for two reasons parts availability and solid resale as for me having a good chunk of the purchase price come back when I sell is a nice bonus. The CC1 needs to address parts issues and prob be about 75.00 lower to compete with a Silvia with PID and to make a non question vs the classic.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah I definitely get that. From what I understand Pantechnicon design taking over the sales and parts production.

[@ChristopherMichaelR]

Its been a while since i've actually looked at the CC1 but as far as I remember at the time they could only be found at Seattle Coffee Gear. When people had problems they had problems with getting in contact with Bill Crossland. I think it's not really looked at because of reliability and access of parts. It's interesting now that Pantechnicon is the sole distributor of CC1. I wonder if that changes the problems of the past. The way that I look at the CC1 is like a single boiler Breville dual boiler. Has all the tech at a reasonable price.

[@miakilborn]

I will say Bill emailed me back in a day when I was looking for a replacement brew head gasket recently (my machine is 4 years old)

[@mingray]

It looks like classic GEE espresso machine from Taiwan, waiting time is stop pump so there still some pressure to push water, just like picopresso stop push pump button to waiting.

[@threehanded8853]

The design is unappealing but the display is appreciated, maybe add press and hold to remember duration of last shot! - nice review!

[@CC-wolverine]

It's not popular or widely used because it was more expensive then the gaggia classic pro and people wanted the price of the gaggia and didn't see the extra price was worth it for the cross land. But yes it does seem nicer then the gaggia. But having pod is greatly needed for a gaggia classic pro since tem surfing is a pia but can be overcome and get used to but the leita machines are nice

[@DeLorean58]

While this machine seems to be capable, I can't but feel like the design of the front panel screams that late 90s, early 2000s aesthetic to it, and not one that has aged well. From the fonts, to the basic LCD screen. Maybe a second gen CC1 could fix that. Perhaps a nice OLED screen.

[@Sprometheus]

Well this is the second gen. I’m not sure aesthetics have changed much between V1 and V2. But personally I don’t find it’s design any more or less appealing than the Silvia. I think a lot of machines in this price point we’re designed by folks aiming for that classic, boxy look. The screen isn’t great, but I’ve seen worse, I mean, it’s 4x the size of the one on my GS3 haha.

[@iconindexsymbol]

The mix of upper and lowercase is SO late 90s! 😂

[@marksangria]

great review @spromethius, a few things I'm wondering. I bought a used Breville Dual Boiler, unmodded and have been using for a year+. is that a better machine for pure espresso than this? I find the design of the crossland quite garish, but the price is appealing. Love to know the footprint size more specifically and how you found the build quality and accessory quality (portafilter, filter basket, etc). The typos hopefully are fixed. Do you think there are IMS shower screen compatible replacements? Does the machine come stock with a bottomless portafilter? I'd love to see you review the ECM Puristika and Breville Dual Boiler (which I have). I quite enjoy the thoroughness of your videos.

[@bluemystic7501]

Wow! That's a beast for the price.

[@Psychoh90]

Hi Spro. This is a neat machine! I wanted to ask you when talking about steaming power, you said it is better than the GCP. Where you referring to the normal use of the steam or the “don’t wait for the light to go on and start steaming after 20sec” GCP use of the steaming? Very curious about it

[@skatcat31]

Are you going to get a chance to review the Dileta Mio? I feel like that's a great comparison to see if 500 dollars more and losing time based programming is worth the differences

[@Sprometheus]

I was approached by Seattle Coffee Gear to review their Dileta machines, but we couldn’t really reach an agreement as they wanted me to only review it if I liked it, which isn’t how I operate.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

That was ALMOST my first real espresso machine, funny I hadn't thought about this one in a while but just the other day I mentioned it to a friend. It was pretty big I think in the 'underground' espresso scene back in the day thanks to it's more advanced / unique tech at the time. I knew about it, and didn't even know or care who the guy was, or what La Marzocco was actually lol. I'm not sure the internet/ coffee community was quite as big back then. As a Newb, I thought it was very important that my espresso machine could STEAM AND BREW at the SAME TIME! So I ended up with a QuickMill Silvano which was I think about the same price at the time. However, in the last 15-20 years of doing espresso I've probably actually steamed and brewed at the same time like 3x! :D It's better to focus on one thing at a time, unless you have something automated that stops at the desired weight output, AND you have everything dialed in nicely with a single coffee, so it's all set up and consistent, then brew&steam feature would be more useful. Ironically the Decent brand machine fits that description, and can do pretty much anything except brew and steam at the same time. The benefit of having the ability to do both at the same time means you don't have to wait switching between one or the other so that's still a good feature / benefit (the Decent can switch pretty quick at least). I don't think the Crossland was ever really marketed (maybe not mass produced?) and not available at traditional espresso machine shops, I think ChrisCoffee in the states sold them if I'm recalling that correctly.

[@jessebisignano1083]

Does anyone know the default PID settings? I bought one used and can’t find the factory settings anywhere on the internet.

[@classicrockonly]

Does this do good light roast? I wish there was a pressure gauge to get some insights, but I guess 9 bars is good

[@robertchristopher985]

What is the cup clearance with the bottomless portafilter on the CC1

[@didxogns1]

This is probably closest to commercial gagguino

[@lukabarbaresco5337]

Did u have any issues with the water tank?

[@Sprometheus]

Nope. What kind of issues? It took a second to figure out how it get it out, but once I did it was smooth sailing.

[@CannedLaughter00]

The thing I have become most obsessed with is just have volumetics and preinfusion. Both of these features are hard to come by, specially when most machines come with an E61 brew head. Ascaso seams to have there line-up just using thermalcoils and all the machines come with programabel buttons. Wish there were more options out there

[@wackywixted]

You should find yourself a second hand Breville duel boiler, it's a very capable machine, and can be had for much cheaper second hand than many of the other home espresso options.

[@CannedLaughter00]

@@wackywixted I actually own a Breville Barist Pro that I bought from a refurbishing center. They make good machines but no OPV on the dual boiler. Moreover dual boiler and heat exchanger seem quiet wasteful in terms of energy consumption. Heating up the entire system just for a few espressos a day is a bit ridiculous. That is why I like the idea of using a thermoblock with a PID.

[@johncoleman1930]

As a broke grad student, this would be such a perfect machine when I'm a real adult lol. This honestly seems like such a beginner friendly machine especially if you're not super into latte art or milk based drinks.

[@RoofisDoofis]

Do you happen to know what preinfusion pressures are?

[@chuckv8838]

Interesting machine thanks!

[@konnosl]

What about ecm puristika?

[@marksangria]

yes!

[@timhanley4396]

Does any one recommend the cross land ?

[@Vitalc773]

Anyone knows if it's imported in the EU ? It would be the perfect upgrade to a Gaggia classic when you're looking at tiny form factor and PID !!

[@KrishnenduKes]

For $700, this sounds pretty good. But then: 1. How accurate is the PID at the group head? 2. No pressure gauge? 3. °C/metric no?

[@Sprometheus]

I think a better question would be how accurate do you expect a $700 espresso machine PID to be? Yeah, no gauge, which isn’t ideal, but isn’t uncommon for relatively inexpensive home machines. And yes, it does have the ability to swap from F to C.

[@giuseppecesarano108]

​@@Sprometheus I don't really know what you mean for "accurate" but a PID system is not that hard to realize and implement specially if we're only taking into consideration the boiler temperature. A precise temperature sensor costs cents and micro-controllers on big scale don't even reach $1, the concept itself is really basic to implement. If I'm being honest, the coffee industry kinda milks PID controlled machines for the simple fact that the user is willing to pay more. Controlling the water temperature at the exit is a LOT harder tho.

[@KrishnenduKes]

@@Sprometheus Lol! Totally makes sense.

[@sdrawkcabvag]

Currently using breville barista express. Whenever it dies I was gonna get the Silvia pro x. I make two lattes a day, no other coffee drinkers in the house. How fast does it get to steam temp? That's the real benefit of hx or db to me.

[@slam854]

James Hoffmann did an overview of Starbucks (Milan, Italy) olive oil & steamed milk Oleato espresso drink. I use the new Crosland CC1 as my workhorse to make this drink. They have many varieties of this formula. I use what I know, good beans, half & half, very good Italian EVOO. Nothing sweet like oat milk, just plain steamed milk which is plenty sweet. Fabulous smooth drink!!!!! I learned espresso making on the CC1 and am very happy to be center staging it again. Fabulous machine.

[@davidfuller581]

Does the brew boiler auto-fill or do you have to make sure it's filled? If the former, that's certainly a good thing given the whole thing with SBDUs where you can nuke the heating element from leaving it in steam mode by accident.

[@Gee00001]

This may be a silly question...Does the hot water go through any plastic when using this machine? (And if there are other espresso machines that ensures no plastic contact with hot water, please recommend). Thank you for putting together this video.

[@greysuit17]

Serious question 2 of the Crosslands as a brew and steam at the same time kind of juggling set up for back to back shots for small groups of people or The Rancilio Pro X?

[@Sprometheus]

Serious answer, Pro X. That just sounds like a hassle, and the power of dual boiler will be more capable at keeping up with both shots and steam.

[@planetfabulous5833]

I've heard of it.

[@GeorgeSalteris]

Will it be a decent upgrade to a gaggia classic pro?

[@KrautRanGoon]

Looks like what you buy if you want a Gaggia Classic Pro without the inevitable upgrade procedure that voids the warranty.

[@allen.t]

I thinks it’s a very solid machine for the price but I’m personally not a fan of the display aesthetics wise, the text around the buttons, and the logo.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah it’s got a bit of a 90s look for sure.

[@mcst6969]

So you need a portafilter with pressure gauge! As a reviewer might be worth it. _even the simple static one, not the expensive flow through is better than nothing_

[@j.r.1030]

Lol it has a mini tankless heater for the steam wand

[@bjfeerus]

☕☕☕ Love Is Important ...

[@Sprometheus]

Indeed my friend. Have a great weekend!

[@LimitedWard]

I know it shouldn't matter, but I personally am not a fan of the CC1's design language. Weird mix of font styles, printed labels, and (subjectively) cheap-looking buttons makes the design look dated to me. And although looks matter less than how well it performs, it's still an appliance that will be sitting on my kitchen counter every day. Given the feature set, if they can address some of the aesthetics I think they could really stomp the competition.

[@CaveyMoth]

I like that the CC1 looks kind of like a person's head.

[@johnd4270]

I think if you’re gonna buy the cheaper machine by the time you buy everything for it, it’s gonna cost to close to this

[@PODLine]

120Vac only could be why there is no hype about this machine....we can't use it over here on the other side of the pond in Europe-land

[@sourdoughbeerface1966]

But you’ve worked with them before so surely some bias there

[@chrisquin9]

I have heard of it but. . . Single Boiler. . . Show stopper

[@scviper]

Why exactly is it a bad thing in this case? Normally a single boiler has some disadvantages, because you're using the same boiler at different temperatures for steam and brew, which leads to trickier temperature control on your brew, but here you have a dedicated brew boiler and something else is used for the steam. The only disadvantage is that you can't use both at the same time, which, at least for me, is not a big deal.

[@chrisquin9]

@@scviper I think it’s just personal preference. When I see all that water shooting out the steam wand my impressions of quality steam aren’t really there. That and back to back shot consistent temps. That’s just my preference is to have those things.

[@andreylevin5231]

It’s been around for what seems like forever. My guess as to why it never really caught on. They should have hired a better industrial designer. Even aspiring espresso geeks want something that looks the part and the CC1 just misses the mark. I remember considering it at the time and it was never lust worthy.

[@appreciatizer5911]

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