Crow Braking

[@Jimgoodwin846]

Wow! You sure make it look easy and all that’s going on in the background.

[@xeriamaned]

Brilliant and timely. I've just bought my first Phoenix 2m. Thanks Andrew

[@AndrewNewton]

Excellent, fun times ahead

[@jeffzhorton]

Thanks Andrew - I managed to get crow to work myself using a switch but your method of kicking it in on a halfway point on the flap slider seems much better! Must try that and loved the catch at the end!

[@AndrewNewton]

Thanks Jeff. It works for me

[@KenKneknaneek]

Thanks for the explanation of crow braking.

[@paulvonrentzell5189]

Very nice and to the point.

[@flyingrock6381]

Thanks for the Taranis tips; I'm in the process of setting this up on my Volantex Ranger 2000.... Cheers!

[@AndrewNewton]

Sweet

[@jasoneyes01]

The crow on my glider causes severe pitch up too, need to figure out how to mix in some down elevator. My Futaba 10J is a little convoluted and frustrating in the programming. Really love your videos and seeing your results after you build stuff.

[@AndrewNewton]

Cant help you with a Futaba Jason, keep trying.

[@charliehayden3052]

Great vid Andrew. Many Thanks. Have been away from slope soaring for a few years but have just got a Phoenix and plan on a Taranis for my move to 2.4 GHz planned for mid April. Your programming info will be very helpful.

[@AndrewNewton]

Great combo Charlie. I have a playlist of Taranis programming

[@DonDegidio]

Hi Andrew, Nice catch at the end. :-)

[@jo2lovid]

Gotta love crow settings for slope and park landings. So cool to have ur plane land right at your feet while under full control in windy situations.

[@AndrewNewton]

Raise your arm, wave to the crowd. Oh yes, I just did that

[@Aurora..Borealis]

Legend! Fantastic description

[@AndrewNewton]

Many thanks!

[@olliea6052]

Nice job andrew. Thanks!

[@andresabrego269]

Another great video, thank you a lot! Any experience with this kind of setup in a flying wing like the fx-79?

[@AndrewNewton]

Not yet, I must try it

[@kentross6545]

Have you set up crow-brakes on your FX-79? I am building one and I am very curious if it is possible. Thanks, you have great videos and information.

[@AndrewNewton]

Not yet, it's on the list of things to try. The FX-79 does need a long landing area

[@stationairventures6397]

Andrew, after a 30 year hiatus from RC I am back enjoying it again. Your videos are very helpful in setting up my Ranger 2000. Question on crow braking, I have the ailerons on a Y harness and I set up the mixing as you showed. When the flaps go all the way down, one aileron goes up the other down. I am guessing I need separate channels for this to work? I have flown this with the DJI camera system. Works great.

[@AndrewNewton]

That's right, need separate aileron channels

[@kartherton]

Now that is super handy info Andrew. Thanks Keith 🇬🇧. 👍from me.

[@AndrewNewton]

Go Crow!

[@sbogdan1]

Andrew Very clever setting I have set up ailerons and flaps on the gas rod. In addition, the flaps are located on the three-position switch I would be happy to send you these settings, you could test it ? What do you think about it ?

[@AndrewNewton]

Sure, send the settings and I'll have a look [e-mail]

[@sbogdan1]

Sent to email [e-mail]

[@trevorwright6058]

Thanks for the wonderful library of knowledge you share mate. Do you have a crow braking setup for the flysky fs i6. It only has 3 mixes so am wondering if the 10 channel mod will offer a sneaky way through?

[@AndrewNewton]

My freind Allen knows more about this radio kzbin.info/door/xp23yC005hanSysA4vodQA I haven't setup crow with it yet

[@gordgitzel7367]

Very good explanation of crow braking. Now why is the AWS wing on the Evolution? I assume you at 40W beach? It looks familiar.

[@AndrewNewton]

The ASW wing is on an old Phoenix 2000 body because I wasn't flying either of them. Makes a cool big sloper. Yes it is 40W

[@dennisrkb]

what's your opinion on taping foam wings?, that is completely covering them with clear packaging tape.

[@AndrewNewton]

Good idea, I often tape the leading edge and about 1/3 back

[@voldelurubu619]

Very interesting setting

[@clivegudgeon6556]

Hi andew just been looking at your video on crow braking could you explain the function x is less than zero on my teranis radio regards vlive

[@AndrewNewton]

That limits the mix to when the input is less than zero (or stick is moved below or to the left of centre).

[@ianjemmeson6746]

Andrew Thanks for that detail I have just set up my new AW28 exactly on your settings for crow. However my slider does not work anything until over halfway travel. It brings in Flaps and ailerons etc as per yours after halfway but for some reason it wont work the flaps in the initial stage. Any ideas what I might have missed? Also the ailerons don't go down as much as they go up, is yours the same? Ian Jemmeson Melb.

[@AndrewNewton]

Hi Ian. I didn't cover Crow in full detail here. Have a look at this full house video kzbin.info/www/bejne/naLNeppsm6eSnLM My ailerons do go up and down the same amount.

[@NunoFlyer]

Hello my friend. Its possible do that with 6ch receiver?

[@AndrewNewton]

Yes, flaps on a Y lead using only one channel. Ailerons must be on individual channels

[@bleeksbentbits3150]

I really enjoy your Taranis set-up guides & this kind of stuff covered here, thank you :) Have you ever experimented with using/mixing for Duckerons (duel elevons) on a wing in Open Tx or on the Taranis itself? I started an FT Spear a while back & set it up with Duckerons & looking to finish it after current project & found little info on the subject, do you think it might be something you would look into at some stage?

[@AndrewNewton]

If I get a plane that has Duckerons I will.

[@Dragon-Slay3r]

@@AndrewNewton will helicopters do? Lol

[@vovsen123]

Is it possible to use a 6 channel receiver and have the flaps on the same channel? look very easy to set up I'm going to do it on the Jumper T16.

[@AndrewNewton]

Yes as long as your flap servos are the same orientation

[@vovsen123]

Andrew Newton Wow! Fast answer, then it will be first thing to do tomorrow. Happy Easter.

[@upperechelon3456]

Great video Andrew [as usual] If i'm not mistaken you are getting the flaps and ailerons mixed up in your definition. Just saying. Thanks Jason

[@AndrewNewton]

Did I? It is quite likely. I often mix up what I'm trying to say.

[@AndrewNewton]

I think you might be mistaken Jason. At what time did I mix it up?

[@upperechelon3456]

You are correct. I was looking at the model backwards. A little bit of dyslexia on my part LOL. Sorry

[@7demo7review]

awesome!

[@ror-ys3qp]

so this only works if you are using 2 channels for ail and 2 for flaps?

[@AndrewNewton]

Must have ailerons on 2 channels but flaps can be on 1

[@pierretruchon4353]

I try to do crow braking on radio master tx16s, nothing work properly if I try to follow your method on taranis

[@AndrewNewton]

Strange. It should work in the same way. Start again and check each step works.

[@baee2521]

I try to setting like you but right ailerons up and left ailerons down . how to fix it?

[@AndrewNewton]

Each must be on separate channel, no Y Leads

[@baee2521]

​@@AndrewNewton Thank you.​ Andrew

[@MrFlyingSquirl]

Ohhh, for some reason I always thought crow breaking was having flaps split along their length so that there's flaps above and below the wing. Would crow breaking work on a mini talon? They're a bugger to slow down

[@MichelPASTOR]

The Mini Talon doesn't have flaps but you probably can use the ailerons as spoilerons.

[@AndrewNewton]

Need flaps and ailerons for Crow, and it's more effective on gliders and big wings

[@DorsetSaferRoads]

if you dont have flaps throwing the ailerons upwards is almost as good. if you are on taranis this template is amazing rc-soar.com/opentx/setups/f3f/index.htm

[@MrFlyingSquirl]

Adrian Chapmanlaw oh amazing, thank you! I was thinking of adding flaps in but that's even better AND I have a taranis! Thanks so much

[@DorsetSaferRoads]

no problem, when setting up just ignore all the flap related bits on channel 3 and 4 :-) there is an electric version of it too if you want to fly with power.

[@miklosko3355]

Hello Andrew. Thank you for the video and explanation. Only one question: do I have to mix in some elevator too for each position differently? Thank you kindly! Liked and subscribed.

[@AndrewNewton]

No I just put the elevator mix on the same slider, dont have to be too precise.

[@miklosko3355]

Andrew Newton Great.Thank you Sir. I'm trying to set up my ROC hobby V glider 2.2m and wasn't sure if I need any at all. There isn't much elevator deflection on full up or down so I was worried will I loose some authority on tail. Again,thank you for reply and awesome tips. PS: I admire you your skills on the slope. One day...maybe... I'll be able to fly like that. Kind regards.

[@tankogenonrcgroups9750]

Can this be done on a nine cap futaba ?

[@AndrewNewton]

Dont know that radio

[@sparrowlt]

I miss my Phoenix :(

[@milosimus]

is it possible to use this method on a fixed wing ?

[@AndrewNewton]

Fixed wing? If you mean flying wing then the answer is no, needs a tail for stability

[@milosimus]

@@AndrewNewton yeah that's what i thought, got a juggernaut v2 and played around with the opentx, well atleast i managed to put reflex on a switch for starting it lol

[@eltio77556]

hi andrew... i m in the mixing menu but i'm not able to get the x

[@AndrewNewton]

What can you see on the mixer page? Highlight the line then select EDIT

[@eltio77556]

push edit on aileron where i can see offsett, ecc but i cant get x

[@AndrewNewton]

Its in the Curves line, change to Func then select X

[@eltio77556]

It works.... Thanks Andrew.... Is it normal that when I got full flap and aileron up this one don't goes down as normal situation?

[@AndrewNewton]

Aileron should go down a bit as long as you copied my mixing

[@MichaCieplik]

can you export the settings and share ?

[@AndrewNewton]

Yes, email me

[@MikeDesertHunterHale]

If you didn't have your Taranis could you still do this?

[@kral5932]

Deserthunter Mike it depends how much programming your transmitter has

[@MikeDesertHunterHale]

Like, Cobol, Fortran, had them all, some good, some bad.....

[@AndrewNewton]

Yes, most programmable radios could do this

[@fredheimer]

You doesn't show the mixing settings of your crow function;-( search for crow function settings with flight mode & variable crow on throttle stick

[@AndrewNewton]

On the mixer page section

[@coronavirus7548]

😘

[@TonyWony]

wait can you force a that plane down with the elevator

[@AndrewNewton]

Yes but this is so it doesn't come down at high speed.

[@TonyWony]

oh what about flare

[@AndrewNewton]

The flare would just make it continue gliding off the slope....unless the airspeed is low enough. Crow braking is all about reducing airspeed in a shorter distance than a normal glide landing.

[@TonyWony]

ok i think i will stop never flow a good glider

[@AndrewNewton]

Good questions Tony. Shows you have a thirst for knowledge.

[@gamingkiDuniyaa48]

Nick

[@berkie5569]

The x^ 0 not explained

[@AndrewNewton]

Mix only operates for the bottom half of the slider movement

[@DorsetSaferRoads]

you might be interested in this, I just set it up on my rcrcm tango. it was really easy and very very adjustable. It has differential cancellation too so you can throw the ailerons all the way up without losing control authority or over travelling the ailerons. rc-soar.com/opentx/setups/f3f/index.htm kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoDYcn9sqJp4bLc

[@AndrewNewton]

Amazing programming Anthony. Way beyond my abilities.

[@DorsetSaferRoads]

Andrew Newton mine too! Thankfully Mike created a template for us and a nice manual to follow for setting it up 😀

[@J0HNPAYNE]

My brain must be slow: this would be great but it's just too fast for me to follow

[@AndrewNewton]

I have done more recent versions kzbin.info/www/bejne/onWYlIqKfM15r7c

[@J0HNPAYNE]

@@AndrewNewton Thanks Andrew, I think I've cracked it now. Your full-house set up on the Phoenix Evo 2.6 was also very useful: I have the exact same model, and a Taranis X9D+. I'm setting up a Phoenix 2.0m first, starting the conversion from Hitec Aurora 9. I do like the simplicity of flaps and crow on LS, but my fellow pilots tell me crow must be on the throttle stick.

[@AndrewNewton]

Fair enough. I do that when the glider doesn't have a motor