CRUEL SUMMER Episode 7 Breakdown - Kate's BIG Secret & NEW Theories (Recap)

[@m.jadejohnson-williams3315]

i kind of like the idea (i haven't watch the show yet) that this show is deconstructing the student x teacher trope with showing how creepy those relationships are, rather than glamorizing it like other teen dramas (especially on Freeform)

[@kianasantana486]

Oh you mean like the show “A teacher”

[@khalicocat]

@@kianasantana486 and PLL

[@kianasantana486]

@@khalicocat yes exactly

[@dontgetjazzywithit]

@@kianasantana486 i thought the show a teacher was literally about how it’s wrong

[@dontgetjazzywithit]

@@khalicocat they really tried to have us ship a 15 year old w her history teacher and normalize it 🥴

[@jlgreen3]

Ok, I haven't connected all the dots yet, but I think Kate saw MALLORY that night, but Mallory didn't see her. I think Mallory is a lesbian and was in love with Jeanette and when she started dating Jamie they had a huge falling out, leading to Jeanette throwing the necklace at her. Mallory blames the list for Jeanette changing and dating Jamie because they met at the mall jail thing. So she breaks into martins place, the place of the first list item, and leaves the necklace to say good bye to their friendship. Hearing a noise in the basement (kate), she takes off. K sees her on her bike, which she previously saw Jeanette on (garden party), and she is wearing the tie dye shirt Jeanette wore to step aerobics because Vince gave it to her when J threw it away. K was thinking about J because Martin told her about Jamie and her around that time. When help never comes and Martin gives her the necklace he found, she connects the dots and thinks she saw J. After K is freed, Mallory feels guilty for NOT discovering her when she was in the house and befriends her. Now she has developed feelings for K and is scared to tell her the truth because of everything that has happened. (They had MAJOR vibes at the skating rink.)

[@Shineonmedia]

Woah!!!! That’s such an interesting theory and I could see that!!! 👏🏻👏🏻

[@okelise]

omg i think this could actually be what happened! but i’m still confused about the whole annabelle thing

[@katlvr3]

🤯🤯 Omg that makes so much sense!! #MicDrop

[@MalibuMulaa]

Omgee I was thinking the same thing and I feel like Martin is Annabelle and that was Martin Harris big family secret

[@MalibuMulaa]

@@jessmello9299 I was also thinking that too that he had locked up somewhere in the house

[@Pookah]

It's possible Jeanette and Kate are both telling the truth. If Kate made up Annabelle, she might have created Jeanette as a villian in her mind when she found out Jeanette was with Jaime and no one "cared for her anymore". Her mother even said she needed a villian to motivate her since she was young, she started to hate Jeanette at that moment and used that vingance as a way to stay strong.

[@NoirAngel510]

This is what I think happened. For some reason, Jeanette seems innocent to me.

[@ajackovic86]

Also I completely agree that she never says what you did to me. She always is about how she stole her life.

[@tbt2012]

If you notice when she’s packing to leave she grabs a red dress.

[@lelelovebug1317]

Ok I didnt see that. But I did notice in the past episode that she was wearing a dress and black heels and banging on the basement door crying

[@loganl3554]

I had a theory that Jeanette sneaks in while Kate is there and Kate begs her not to tell anyone because maybe she’s happy at this point with Harris, but that theory is kind of soiled by Jeanette being surprised by the chat.

[@double0seven637]

to me it really doesn’t matter that Kate went to Martins house willingly bc he obvi trapped her there, knowing that no one would suspect him bc no one knew of their “friendship.” When Jeanette said “this changes everything” i don’t think it does in terms of the validity of Kate’s story & her trauma. Kate was still a child, vulnerable & looking for comfort during a moment of extreme distress - he took advantage of that & the whole point of his grooming & kindness to her beforehand was to make her feel as though she could trust him. that she was safe with him. honestly, every time we see more from Kate I feel less sympathetic for Jeanette - but ultimately it does come down to whether she saw Kate or not. Though, i think her reaction to when they find Kate is telling bc she immediately knows she’s in trouble & also it’s frustrating that she’s going to use the truth of how Kate ended up at Martins against he when she is lying about having the key/going into the house.

[@Mel__21]

We all know that she went through something very traumatizing yes but that doesn’t give her the right to lie about Jeanette!

[@cianixjade]

@@Mel__21 I don’t think she’s lying though because Jeanette went to that house multiple times.

[@cianixjade]

I agree

[@linaaviles1971]

I don’t think Jeanette meant it as a “victim blaming” type thing. I think she meant it as in they’ve found holes in her story, they’ve found she’s lied about the events. I don’t know who’s lying and who’s not or if anyone is lying to begin with. But finding holes in the story the person is accusing you is telling, does change everything for the case.

[@Mel__21]

@@cianixjade I think she went to that house multiple times bc of the adrenaline/rush she got with it. At that point she was doing it on purpose to get caught.

[@sarahviola3942]

i feel like she probably didnt "take over" her life on purpose, but jeanette just thought she was so cool and wanted to hang w the people that kate did. not become kate. just popular like kate

[@yoshmarsh8412]

You can't take over someone life

[@Noa......]

That explains why she stares, keeps personal accessory, changes one's looks, adopt her friends, date the same guy right after the disapperance. Would you do that to someone you think is cool? Sure, it seems like you are replacing someone. No sense of self and originality.

[@summerloveleigh]

My roommate and I read the scene of martin giving her food very differently. When Kate stops eating when martin mentions making her food ,it seems like she stops listening to him and has the inner thought process of knowing he is drugging her food the assaulting her. She then realizes it going to happen either way so she gets this look on her face and goes back to eating hungrily . I saw that as her saying she'd rather be passed out and not know( which kills me and breaks my heart). My roommate thought when she kinda got this different look on her face and went back to eating, that Kate's brain had triggered an alter to handle the abuse from Martin. Named Annabelle.

[@lunarhail3559]

This was my theory as I watched this episode. Like it’s an alter ego to protect herself, and the therapist believes that too.

[@Lisa-ii6mm]

alters are not that easily made though, yes it comes from trauma but I think Annabelle is an actual person. and if she was passed out from drugs she wouldn't really need the alter since she couldn't remember

[@LifewithKat2002]

alters meaning (DID or OSDD) can only be originally created between the ages of 0-9 years old. If your theory is correct than she would have to have had horrific abuse happening between those ages enough to cause her brain to cope that way. Now after the disorder comes into effect (the very first alter(s) between those ages new alters can be "created" at any time after that. I guess what I'm saying if this theory is correct (which I think it may be) this can not be her only experience with abuse it would have had to happened at a very young age!

[@heidisisum5263]

What if Mallory had a crush on Kate and that is why she was upset Jennette kinda when she seemed interested in Kate and how she dislikes her for no reason since Kate seems like a nicer popular girl!

[@yoshmarsh8412]

True

[@mariabarrera351]

Am I the only one thinking Mallory is Annabelle? Why else would Mallory become so close to Kate and interested in what her tapes reveal. Obviously Jannette had access to Martin's house and Mallory could have easily taken the key and put it back. Idk if that makes sense, but I think Mallory is Annabelle.

[@Shineonmedia]

Oooh that’s interesting. Mallory does seem shady and in everyone’s business

[@nmeza85]

Oh, It never crossed my mind that Mallory could be Annabelle which makes a really good theory. 🤔

[@abbyroadme]

Yep, I feel like Annabelle is Mallory. Her parents divorced when she was 3. Maybe they moved to this town to get away from Martin who was Mallory's Dad due to a teen pregnancy.

[@DarkSister535]

I like this theory and the others here !!

[@tracyanderson6377]

I think Annabelle is Kate protecting herself from the really really bad stuff putting those horrific memories into Annabelle who’s Kate compartments

[@HodajuciParadoks]

I still believe Kate ...that she could not leave, once she was in his house, I do not think she lies about that.

[@Lisa-ii6mm]

then how did she see jeanette?

[@summerloveleigh]

This episode was truly heartbreaking. It was super heavy for me. The show is really good at making you truly feel where the characters are and how they feel

[@madisonhill5866]

I don't think it was Jeanette she saw. I think it was Mallory, but Mallory convinced her that it was Jeanette. Mallory also seems to have feelings for Kate and maybe used to have a crush on Jeanette. So when she started dating Jamie she took the necklace and the key and went to Martin Harris's house and then returned the key so Jeanette wouldn't know. I also feel like Vince might know the whole story, which is why he was so confused when she was friends with Kate.

[@jk-tw2ze]

I really started this show being more drawn to Jeanette's character. Her narrative/storyline is really interesting because we OFTEN so the glow up on tv and it's often offered as a solution to a characters' social problems. What is unique about Cruel Summer is the glow up is actually something working as a negative for the character. I will say this about Jeanette-so far she hasn't done anything to me that I couldn't see a regular teenager doing, even if it's stuff I wouldn't have done at that age...or ever. It's pretty on par with normal teenage behavior, so I disagree with the theories she is a pathological liar. Even the lying about Martin's house, she was breaking and entering...why would she admit to that especially AFTER finding out what happened in that house? Devil's advocate logic maybe...but more like scared teenage girl logic. That being said I don't personally relate to Jeanette BUT I do relate a lot to Kate Wallis as a victim of trauma, specifically sexual assault, grooming, and something else I experienced. The acting on this show is AMAZING but Olivia Holt's portrayal as a survivor for me is one of the most accurate and respectful I have seen ANYWHERE, let alone on a freeform show. Everyone RAVES about the acting and it is well earned, this cast is talented. That being said along with Martin, I do not trust Joy or Jamie nor do I like them. No one trust Mallory...but I don't know why because I actually like Mallory so far. She's been an amazing friend to Kate, although I have to admit she was a shitty friend to Jeanette. My theory after the latest episode and promo for the next is that- I think Martin thinks he's like saving Kate from her mom and I think Kate kind of thinks that too but at some point wants to go home and Martin who has been playing house with Kate kind of snaps and holds her captive. When Annabelle entered the story I was CONVINCED this was another victim...but now I am not so sure. As someone with CPTSD and dissociative disorder as a result of trauma, we have seen Kate dissociate now and I could see her developing an alter to cope. It's noted she has an active imagination often in the show and that can be reflective of maladaptive coping. Most people diagnosed with maladaptive dissociation typically have imaginary friends as children (I had two lol). Everyone is saying the two way mirror is a red herring and it might be idk. Jeanette takes Vince down to the mirror when she confesses about how often she's been there. The fact that the shows poster features it is telling to me too. Once again that doesn't mean it's not a red herring but idk. If you look at it both Kate and Jeanette have confident strong smiles but INSIDE their reflections not only is it not them it's the other but they both look TERRIFIED and the reflection is blurred, so blurred I can't tell but it kind of looks like they both have tears in their eyes...and this may play into the theory that Kate saw Jeanette...but Jeanette didn't see her :(

[@StrangeStartrackerArt]

What if the small barred windows have some kind of tint on the outside? In the scenes from the outside of the house, they seem to not be clear. If Kate saw Jeanette through the windows, Jeanette could have looked directly at her and still not see her.

[@livewiiiiire]

Its like you knew I was JUST telling my coworker a few minutes ago about how much I liked this series of videos from you! Thank you so much for your time and effort, so excited that I'm commenting before I even watch 😅

[@Shineonmedia]

That’s so nice of you!! I’m so happy you like them. Thank you for watching!!!

[@livewiiiiire]

@@Shineonmedia Of course, and thank YOU, seriously!! The work and time you put in to your videos really shows, I love 'em, and, watching the show through your commentary has me more invested than I would be otherwise 🥰

[@TalyahJ]

First and I have to say that this was my favorite episode so far!

[@CarolineBM]

What if Anabelle is the anonymous girl who martin tried to kidnap before? Side note- I love your recaps :)

[@_Allanxandria]

I was saying that maybe Mallory is the anonymous girl who is Annabelle

[@Imagummybearpop]

I think Kate did see Jeanette and Jeanette knew that Kate was there - and she wanted to tell but didn't know how to without incriminating herself. We see that Jeanette thinks that it's a massive deal about the breaking/entering, and how she thinks this is super illegal and bad, so she doesn't want to be caught doing that, and she isn't supposed to know about Kate. Maybe Martin even groomed Jeanette too into not telling anyone/or something. I don't know, whatever the answer is i know it's going to bring into question our own morality/perceptions on right and wrong, and i love that. I feel connected to both characters and I think it's ashame they're being so pit against eachother when in reality the bad guy is the principle and no one else, at the end of the day. Kate and Jeanette are both victims of teenage naivity - maybe that's the lesson to be learnt at the end of it all.

[@miahmorales5785]

yo what if when kate was packing to run away she took the Talented Mr.Ripley book her dad got her for her birthday and one of the times when Jeanette was breaking into Martin's house she took it and actually DID go face to face with Kate :o I feel like that's why she had almost like some kind of smirk as she was reading the book in her bed in 1995. idk just a thought but I just find it odd that she's smirking while reading a book that she practically lived through :// ooo and another theory: kate CHOSE to stay in the basement and make everyone THINK she was captured when really she just longed for a different home life :o this is kinda far fetched BUT just hear me out OKAY so in 1993 she WILLINGLY went into Martin's house, yes? what if that night she was just so fed up with her home life and just fell so deeply for Martin so they concocted a plan where she hides in the basement and they pursue this sort of Stockholm syndrome type relationship. BUT after a while she ends up wanting to leave but Martin got used to always having her there for company so he chose to actually lock her in and keep her. or even if during the confrontation with police where they said Martin died in, what if he KNEW he was going to die and used it as a sort of suicide situation just like his father. If Martin had used that gun fight between police as a suicide type thing he knew cops would search his house and find kate. This way they both get exactly what they want.

[@beewest5704]

Except she was not in the basement at first. She went & stayed willingly with him & when she wanted to go back home he drugged her & locked her in the basement.

[@Pookah]

Thanks for the shout-out on my comment Lisa! I wanted to point out how vindictive It was of Joy to go to Mallory and blame her for the Liar letter when Joy knows she didn't do it... She hates that Mallory makes Kate happy. It's too bad Mallory wasn't a friend like that for Jeanette. Mallory hated Jeanette for being like Kate but then she ends up loving Kate?

[@pewdiecookie2136]

But kaye has changed drastically tho, she's a traumatised kid now instead of perfect popular girl

[@lunarhail3559]

@@pewdiecookie2136 her personality didn’t change as when Mallory said “I can see why” as to why nobody really says that they dislike Kate, calling her nice/polite in this instance.

[@sxsav306]

i think martin watched how each of their lives were going & saw that kate & jeanette were unhappy and decided to try to switch their lives because of his narcissism & him thinking he knows better than everyone. (like trying to play god in a way)

[@livewiiiiire]

Okay so my theory is that Kate is framing Jeanette for seeing her in the basement. I think Kate knows about her sneaking in, and planted the "You Go Girl" necklace, either getting the actual charm from Mallory, or a duplicate (since no prints were able to be ID'd from the charm). I think Kate planted the necklace and mentioned Jeanette out of reasons of jealousy for her "stealing" Kate's life. I'm undecided whether I think Mallory is involved in this lie or not, helping frame Jeanette for her own beefs with her. Like I said before, I havent seen the entire series, but based off of your recaps, that's what I'm kindof thinking. I think that is the lie that Kate mentioned in the chat to Ashley (unknowingly). I might be very wrong though! I don't know if I fully buy the mirror theory, I think it's just an aesthetic that the director likes, for there to be a lot of mirrors, and to represent self reflection both physically and phsycologically.

[@livewiiiiire]

I also think Annabelle is an alter of Kate, a way to deal with trauma and the position she was in. Possibly it's another victim, but wouldn't they have found evidence of another victim when they searched the house? I'd they had dusted the You Go Girl charm for prints, surely they would have processed the rest of the house and basement as well, right?

[@livewiiiiire]

On the other hand though, I could absolutely see Jeanette being guilty of knowing that Kate was in the basement. She is sneaky and conniving, and she wanted Kate dead. She was disappointed to hear she was found alive, and was one of the first people to know that she was gone. But then again, Kate says that she saw Jeanette after she had been in the basement for a while, didn't she? So Jeanette knowing right away wouldn't add up unless she was somehow involved. God, I don't know!

[@khalicocat]

@@livewiiiiire I don't think she was disappointed that she was found alive so much as shocked & she realized that Jamie was gonna go back to Kate(which would leave any person in her situation with mixed feelings).

[@Nightowl333]

This is the most plausible theory, I agree.

[@livewiiiiire]

@@khalicocat that's totally fair. I'm not 100% solid in my theory, especially now with the newest episode, just trying to figure this tf out! I think Mallory is way more suspect than Innocent at this point though, if anything. She is high on my list as far as involvement in what happened, I am just undecided how. I don't trust Mallory, I know that.

[@patriciomejia1114]

"Joy, I don't like you so much." Neither do I, Lisa. Neither do I.

[@Shineonmedia]

I just wanna slap her back lol

[@patriciomejia1114]

@@Shineonmedia To be fair, I think that most of us do too.

[@Shineonmedia]

😂

[@beewest5704]

We all know Jeanette loves snooping when Martin is not there. What if she found Kate there pre-basement. Kate asked her not to tell anyone she saw her. Then when Martin locks her in the basement she thinks Jeanette will save her. Jeanette keeps her promise & since she is taking over her life she never tells anyone. And Jeanette does not know she has been locked up & is not there willingly anymore. Both girls are telling parts of the truth & part lies. Jeanette never saw Kate in the basement. It would also explain Kate real hate & fury at Jeanette. But also Jeanette denial of seeing her in trouble.

[@suef8047]

Yes that sounds accurate

[@beewest5704]

@@sirken7592But why is Kate so traumatized by Annabelle that she can't remember or talk about her. I doubt Jeanette could have traumatized her like that. I think its Martin's alter. Or what if she was a girl Martin killed.

[@beewest5704]

@happy baby I also thought this when she said " This changes everything." Maybe its because now she has proof Kate went there on her own & she did not know she was later held against her will.

[@yasarorum9912]

OMG I NEVERRRR REALISED THE BOOK DETAIL. THANK YOUUUU

[@ajyahneah3524]

Can’t wait till next Wednesday !

[@lelelovebug1317]

I still believe kate but... I hope Mallory tells kate about them going to Martin's house and maybe even learns that jennette kept going to help her case since its looking like jennette might win the case so far. She's has evidence that kate lied.

[@nmeza85]

Even thought Kate hates what happened to her I think she’s suffering from Stockholm syndrome seeing as she tries to defend him after the anonymous girl comes forward in the news. I also think that Kate and Martin had plans to runaway together even if it was perhaps temporary just for kate to get away for a while. At some point something went wrong and she became a captive and that’s where her admiration for Martin became Stockholm syndrome. Martin kept reminding Kate as to how well he takes care of her and makes her food etc. So that she can be appreciative of Martin which psychologically deepens her Stockholm’s syndrome.

[@mirandagaviria8998]

I feel like their both lying about details that happened but i also feel like their each telling their truth.

[@yoshmarsh8412]

They are lying but telling the truth

[@tracyanderson6377]

Wow 😳 how did you get the 3 last episodes on preview? Dangggg going to watch next 3 Wednesdays on Hulu 🙏🏻

[@kenzybranstetter7836]

After watching the tease for episode 8, I think that Kate goes there and stays and when Joy approaches Martin at the school about Kate being missing he decided to lock her in the basement

[@akankshatirkey9283]

Just an observation , don't know why I feel , Jeanette found something more from the print outs that her brother got and why would Kate's sister leave her computer unguarded when she was in room with Jeanette's brother , did she do it on purpose , recalling calling herself Cleopatra's sister who was good at planning , I don't buy her attitude before and after Kate's disappearance , why so sympathetic ? Another observation , I know even after the disclosure of the fact that Kate did had a relationship with Martin it doesn't validate his abusive behavior towards her , but having this issue out would actually make people suspicious , we have heard both Kate and Jeanette's screaming they don't care what people think and have succumbed to their own darkness yet they fear of those half truths , of what the society would accept once they know they are 'Liars' , it has always been that the society only accepts two roles of women , of truthful obedient ones or the degraded unlawful ones , they can't accept them to be ones in process of growth experiencing different roles but there has always been a fixed role . My theory is that which was already suggested by the channel , they become friends , they were beginning to bound at first , Jeanette being attractive to Kate's personality and Kate to hers , that innocence and ignorance Jeanette carried which kept het aloof from worldly troubles of fake relations (friends , family , lovers) , this attracted Kate , Jeanette didn't realize when she became Kate , how she lost her innocence . And Kate might have confined in her about her relationship with Martin but before she knew in how much trouble she might get into , things got worse . Both of them are guilty of something

[@MalibuMulaa]

Annabelle could be Mallory I agree with you guys cause Kate did say she seen Annabelle before she got rescue so maybe Mallory went in the house seen Kate and called for help

[@AudieMontrice]

The moms on this show are NOT killing it.

[@lunarhail3559]

Just like real life!

[@karmen9588]

I just finished the series and one of the scenes I will always remember is when Kate told her mom that she teed her up for Martin. Ouch 😬

[@LuciGoosey13]

OMFG I literally have the same hoodie

[@Shineonmedia]

Such a good hoodie!

[@lanasnyder3340]

Yes a theory video please!

[@yoshmarsh8412]

Jeanette likes going to Martin's house because she like the rush she gets when she's not getting caught or that the fact that she can get away with it ,

[@jk-tw2ze]

Oh- and I also I kind of think Kate Wallis goes off script to possibly take attention away from the other victim and deflect the conversation away from her (the other victim) and Martin who she is defending in that circumstance. I think she believes Jeanette saw her but I think with her comment from Joy about her "needing a bad guy" it comes out in the interview because she gets angry at the line of questioning in the interview that implicates Martin as a serial predator of young girls, that had another victim.

[@itskashkashi]

Haven't watched this show yet but from these reviews it seems like PLL meets Westworld lol.

[@Blaze-fh1fs]

This theory is crazy, but what if Annabelle was actually Jeannette and somebody actually took over Jeannette’s life because Jeannette saw Kate once and that’s why Kate’s lying because she knows that Jeannette is actually dead and she picked up Jeannette’s necklace when she died.

[@geraldinegarces5320]

wait but how do they look the same?

[@octopusoctopus9173]

oh god please let there be no evil twin

[@highlieunexpectedrobles944]

Omg I would hate that lol this theory giving me PLL vibes

[@MissmockingJ]

I think Kate is Anabell, it was the only way she could cope with the stress. I think Kate transforms into Anabell when she puts on the red dress. I really hope they don't have Mallory a love story with Kate. Girls can be close friends with out being romantically in love.

[@maria-st9no]

uhhh girls are always close friends on shows wo being romantically involved???? homophobic much

[@MissmockingJ]

@@maria-st9no Wow Maria, that was incredibly unkind of you, to call me such a horrible name without knowing me. I was simply stating, that I hope that this show highlights the importance of having a close friend, especially after such a traumatic experiance. Without falling into the love story trope. If you read some of the comments from other people, you will see that I am not the only one that believes that Mallory may be in love with Kate. Maria, it's perfectly acceptable for you to challenge my theories and question my statement. However, it is not acceptable for you to bully me and declare me something I am not. One thing this show does very well highlights why it's horrible to assume by jumping to a conclusion about another individual. Don't fulfill that stereotypical status quo that has obviously create hate in our society. Best wishes XOXO

[@maria-st9no]

@@MissmockingJ i rly dont care😩 the fact that u said it like it happens oh so often?? like gimme an example of a tv series where it happens wo it being the center of the plot

[@dulynoted6015]

dude just let us gays have ONE THING, please,,, we rarely get representation. i can name tons of mainstream tv shows where girls are close friends but only a few good ones exist with lgbtq+ representation

[@maria-st9no]

@@dulynoted6015 excactly!!! ms girl here acting like girls arent close friends on every tvshow ever ugh

[@bianca.x0]

I really don’t think that the mirror story could be true. I mean the police must have turned the whole house upside after they rescued Kate. It seems pretty unlikely to me that they wouldn’t find the double sided mirror. And if they did find a double sided mirror they would be extreeeeeemly bad detectives to not realize: oh maybe that’s why Kate saw Jeanette and Jeanette didn’t see Kate. And if it does turn out to be the double sided mirror then it would be a very bad script because of the things I mentioned above about the police.

[@Imagummybearpop]

I dont get how thats important? maybe its because i cant work out the physics but how would it make is so Kate could see Jeanette and not that they both see eachother?

[@CaroEmm]

@@Imagummybearpop They mean a mirror that serves as a one sided window, like those used in interrogation rooms so that cops can observe inside.

[@Cafelee12]

I have two theories . Theory 1: I feel like Annabelle could be Kate dead baby. I feel Martian could of r*pe Kate while she down in his basement. But Martian did not expect to get Kate pregnant. So when Kate had the baby Martian could of killed the baby. Theory 2: Annabelle could be a alter of Kate mind that she created while she trap in Martian basement. Annabelle may be the person who knows the truth about Kate being held hostage. Since Annabelle is her alter that keeps Kate trauma hidden away to make her feel better.

[@ajackovic86]

Mallory and Vince gave Jeanette the necklace in the 1st episode for her birthday.

[@Shineonmedia]

I know. We haven’t learned how Kate got it if it for sure is Jeanette’s

[@javierita]

I wonder if Jeanette gave the necklace back when she stopped being friends with Mallory, and Mallory gave it to Kate to help her case

[@ajackovic86]

@@javierita I could see Mallory doing that because she’s a clinger due to being a child of divorce. I feel like she’s angry at Jeanette for abandoning her and would do anything to have some one to cling to again.

[@javierita]

@@ajackovic86 yes I totally agree

[@ajackovic86]

@@javierita but I don’t like how she’s acted during her interaction with Kate at the video store and the therapist. She’s sus to me!

[@scottpowell5458]

Katie made the whole thing up

[@pennyfinn82]

Maybe mr harris is the prisoner and kate is keeping him captive!!

[@nmeza85]

What if Mallory has been pretending to be Kate’s friend this entire time only to gain info and help Jeanette win the case in the end. Like the saying goes “keep your friends close but your enemies closer.”

[@yoshmarsh8412]

That would be dope but fucked up

[@katlvr3]

I don't have any respect or love for Mallory because of how she completely dropped Jeanette, but if this is the case then it would definitely change my opinion of her

[@KrystyneY]

I feel like something is up with Mallory.

[@lj3622]

It's her pronouncing Berenice as "Bernicky" for me 💀

[@sarahviola3942]

when do episodes come out?

[@Shineonmedia]

Tuesday’s on Freeform, next say on Hulu if you’re in the US

[@mayflower7811]

I still believe that Kate has did and Annabelle is 1 of her alters

[@highlieunexpectedrobles944]

I do too! I think we actually saw “Annabel” when she was telling the story around the campfire

[@LifewithKat2002]

alters meaning (DID or OSDD) can only be originally created between the ages of 0-9 years old. If your theory is correct than she would have to have had horrific abuse happening between those ages enough to cause her brain to cope that way. Now after the disorder comes into effect (the very first alter(s) between those ages new alters can be "created" at any time after that. I guess what I'm saying if this theory is correct (which I think it may be) this can not be her only experience with abuse it would have had to happened at a very young age!

[@highlieunexpectedrobles944]

@@LifewithKat2002 ok! Maybe Mallory?

[@LifewithKat2002]

@@highlieunexpectedrobles944 that’s what I was thinking! Especially after Tuesday’s episode! but I still think your original theory could be correct we all know how her mom is maybe she abused her at a young age? I guess we’ll see! Although I will say sometimes tv shows like to twist DID to fit the storyline so although what I said in my comment above Is true in real life it doesn’t mean it has to be true to the show’s storylines 😂😂😂

[@highlieunexpectedrobles944]

@@LifewithKat2002 omg so true!! Yes ep 8 really humanized Mallory. It’s also wired to see how Mallory Was towards Vince and Jeannette. With Kate in the other hand she was completely understanding and empathetic. Almost like she could relate! Mallory having DID could fit we have no idea what Mallory’s home life looks like. What are your thoughts on Cindy? She feels like suspect to me. Lmao this whole show has me paranoid!!

[@katm2140]

What is the white squiggle in the top right corner of many of the shots?

[@Shineonmedia]

My cursor accidentally got recorded and I was too lazy to sit and re record another 40 mins. LOL. I think that’s what you mean.

[@katm2140]

@@Shineonmedia Actually, I don't think that's it. There's a little squiggle in the shots of the show, always in exactly the same place, and not on the shots of you. A cursor would move around, wouldn't it? Just curious. :)

[@Shineonmedia]

No it’s the cursor. I started recording and walked away so the cursor wouldn’t be moving. And for some reason it recorded with it showing which usually it doesn’t.

[@simplyjuannie5128]

Uber didn't exist. But cabs, which are pretty much the same thing, did.

[@ertfgghhhh]

Joy didnt put kate in the situation. Kate knew she was being inappropriate with that dude. Martin did....

[@linaaviles1971]

She was a kid....

[@ertfgghhhh]

@@linaaviles1971 yes she was, but she knew what she was doing was wrong.....

[@lunarhail3559]

@@ertfgghhhh bruh. Blame the adult. The whole point in a lot of ways the girls are acting out at each other is VICTIM BLAMING.

[@linaaviles1971]

@@ertfgghhhh pretty sure the problem here was the dude who took advantage of an impressionable kid... I thought at 16 I would’ve known not to do that, but looking back... no I didn’t. I was impresionadle af. All 16 year olds are.

[@ertfgghhhh]

@@linaaviles1971 most PEOPLE are impressionable but at 16 we still know it wasnt right

[@gracepineda1743]

I suspect Kate made everything up in her head... idk why but a few things she has done and say makes me think she willing was stay with the older guy and later change her mind and that's why he locked her , but the fact she has seen him say lair to her makes me think he maybe innocent too.. idk it's all every twisted ...and also she is blaming Jena because she saw her kiss her boyfriend.... idk I think Annabelle is her own reflection and that's who really saw her...when she is stating Jena was the one but in reality it.was.her.own reflection from the mirror.. after ppl do go insane when lock up...

[@mp3holder94]

Um side not I LOVE YOUR hoodie.

[@joeslater2390]

My trleory, Kate is lIvIng at martins lIKe normal the mother of the girl from the other school tracks martin down & confronts him (Annabelle) she sees hes doing the same grooming to kate says she's going to the cops, he alps out shoots her (gun shot in epl ) mow kate saw him kill someone its basement time

[@jjjjj4787]

Damn 😅🤯👏👏

[@livewiiiiire]

Okay WOW this is a GREAT theory!

[@livewiiiiire]

What do you think about Jeanette? Did she see Kate? Is this the lie Kate is talking about in the chatroom, or is the lie about Annabelle? Do you think Martin killed Annabelle at his house? So far there's been no evidence mentioned, and it's talked about that they fingerprinted the You Go Girl charm. I am still figuring this out for myself but curious what your thoughts are with this theory.

[@joeslater2390]

@@livewiiiiire what if Martin & kate plained on hiding out in a cabin (explains why he had those supplies) before they leave jennette sees her one day when she breaks in & kate tells her not to tell , jennette thinks everything is good but then the events of my original theory happened

[@livewiiiiire]

@@joeslater2390 Okay, I was just thinking something similar while rewatching the video. That initially, it was a mutual thing between Kate and Martin, maybe she felt like they were dating, or she was infatuated with him. It also explains why she would be in a red dress once she is actually in the basement, that they maybe got dressed up to go somewhere and then something happened, and Martin won't allow her to leave. There was just 1 gunshot right? The one that Vincent and Jeanette hear? Maybe he killed the other woman in a different way, but maybe that was the gunshot they heard. (In Lisa's recap of ep 1-5, she says that the gunshot Vincent and Jeanette hear was from the police shootout, but they heard it at night, and Kate was found during the day as the footage of her being released shows, unless I'm misunderstanding something) This show is such a good mystery, I'm genuinely wanting to know more right away. I appreciate you talking with me about your theory, I think you have the best one I've heard so far!

[@Travissigh219]

I really think Kate is lying about everything but I could be wrong

[@lisaleidenheimer3507]

I definitely don't trust Mallory she's a bully & a snake. And I really think she's going to have more to do with this than we know. We know Jeanette has gone into Martin's house multiple times since the hide and seek sweet Vince has once since then but what about Mallory they just haven't shown it yet because I don't buy that she never went in his house after Hide & seek And I also don't buy her besties with Kate all of the sudden when she used to heat Kate I do believe that she used to be in love with Jeanette.

[@allisonbuck2645]

What if the other girl staying annonomus that Martin abused as well is Anabelle?

[@ango8466]

I don't remember Martin druggin Kate

[@Shineonmedia]

It was a precious episode when he brought her a sandwich in the basement and then later you see her dazed. Off top of my head can’t remember the specific episode

[@lunarhail3559]

There’s fuzzy video each time scenes are in the basement when she is eating. implies drugged food.

[@brookemaurice1715]

I'm so interested in this show and wanna watch it! Anyone know where I can stream it in Canada?

[@AudieMontrice]

Is it not on Hulu in Canada? Try there

[@brookemaurice1715]

@@AudieMontrice Sadly Hulu is only available in America so I'd need to try using a VPN

[@CaroEmm]

You can buy it on KZbin... but it is kind of pricy

[@dejahawkins6628]

Wait I just realized it had been way later in the night so there was no way Jamie blacked out drunk after that how did he not put two and two together that the last person he remembered seeing her with was Martin !

[@lexq-sm6lq]

god! I need to stop watching this show. Cause everytime I see Kate and Martin, it's just so hot. The tension just gets me😓😭 Them two together are my favorite scenes😭😭 God, somebody is gonna groom me too😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@beatrixe8927]

That's disgusting 🤮🤮🤮

[@illicitveniceb]

i hope you get help

[@livewiiiiire]

I also hope you get help:( Grooming isn't hot, or anything to be glamorized like they do on TV. It's traumatic and disturbing and can ruin future relationships from the messed up manipulation, abuse, and power dynamic. These two actors are great at what they do, and in the context of this fictional show it's fine, but obviously irl it's not all right in any way

[@lisgramz9755]

I don't understand people really, they act like grooming, and abuse is wrong.. But in porn categories, rape porn, forced& kidnapped porn, incest porn, drugged porn gets millions and millions of views!!! Some are even the most viewed, Makes you wonder about the hypocrisy!!!!!

[@livewiiiiire]

@@lisgramz9755 it IS wrong. Just because it's a fantasy fetish doesn't make it right. It's a fantasy, not a mimic of real life. A lot of fetishes are born out of trauma and abuse, too. There's a difference in saying, "this fictional taboo situation turns me on," and "I'm so excited by this that I want to be groomed irl like my fantasy." In the fantasy, there are 2 consenting people. IRL, a child can not give consent, legally or developmentally. That's what makes it wrong.