in this case the handle movement direction is not matching the door movement direction. It may cause confusion in passenger, and it is not according to standard.
@GrantsAdventures5 жыл бұрын
I manual position, what would be the purpose of opening it all the way while water is coming through? Sorry if this is considered a "dumb" question.
@AlistairBaillie5 жыл бұрын
Hi Grant, the doors should always be opened fully as they may close automatically depending on what mode the control system is in (especially if you're in an area filled with water). As many people manage to get themselves trapped in watertight doors each year during normal operation and seriously injured/killed by not fully opening the door the standard, "always fully open the door before passing through" phrase is used so that there is no doubt that they should always be fully opened before trying to pass through - however, as you say, if you're in the compartment and its flooding with water - you're going to be pushed through as soon as the door is sufficiently opened.
@sebastiannielsen3 жыл бұрын
First you say that watertight doors are not allowed to be operated unless to save a life, and then you say it can be operated if you are trapped in a compartment (alternative exit is blocked). Whats valid? The first or second? If the alternative exit is blocked or locked, so you are trapped in the compartment, but the life is not in danger. Guess the rules mean you should wait then? I find it kind of strange that its not allowed to operate the watertight doors, if a compartment would be flooded on the other side, you would easy notice that when cracking open the door, then water starts sprouting, then its just to close the door again, it would get a little bit wet on the floor on the "wrong side" but thats all? Or is it other dangers with operating watertight doors like that they could become inoperable due to the flooding water and thus put the ship to risk?
@caradog10813 жыл бұрын
I think it’s a matter of the situation, if you know the ship is sinking I sure would try opening the doors and getting out
@sebastiannielsen3 жыл бұрын
@@caradog1081 Aha, so the watertight doors are only closed in a emergency anyways? Maybe it differs depending on which ship? What I have understand is that the rules mandates the watertight doors to areas that are less used during cruise, should be kept shut even in non-emergency. Thus, if you were in passenger cabin, and lets say, missing the PA announcement that the cabins are closing, thus becoming stuck in the cabin area. And the exit is also closed or locked. That would mean a situation, where you are stuck in the cabin (no possibility to escape) - but theres no life-threathening situation, its just a imprisonement situation, where you could open the WTD to exit the cabin area, or you would wait until the cabins are opened again and the "normal" exit becoming available for use again. And here I wonder, would it then be illegal to open the WTD just to come out from the cabin area, when the situation is such you COULD have waited. Of course closing the WTD again after passing.
@caradog10813 жыл бұрын
@@sebastiannielsen now that I don’t know, I don’t work on ships or know a lot about them. I’m just a guy that loves modes of transportation, like ships, trains, planes, etc. but I only said if you KNEW that the ship was sinking or you could see water coming in from somewhere.
@AlistairBaillie3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Compartments that are fitted with watertight doors ALWAYS have at least one other exit which does not involve the use of watertight doors - most of the time this is in the form of a staircase leading up above the bulkhead deck, although in some parts of the ship such as engineering spaces and storerooms this can be a vertical ladder. Only authorised crew members are permitted to operate watertight doors, usually, this is only the marine and technical departments and then only with permission from the duty officer at the time. Other crew members are not permitted to touch them under any circumstances for their own safety UNLESS their life is in danger and they can not use the alternative exit from the space (for example; the stairwell is on fire). SOLAS requires that all crew members are trained in the emergency operation of watertight doors regardless of if they have permission to operate them or not. Regarding the closing of watertight doors there are regulations governing this, although they vary slightly by the flag and operating company, for cruise ships they are generally; 3 main classes of doors (A, B & C class) 2 operating conditions (hazardous conditions and normal conditions) Hazardous Conditions are defined by the vessels flag but generally include; restricted visibility (fog), high traffic areas, shallow water (usually less than 3 times the vessels draft), distance from land (usually 2 nautical miles). Normal conditions are at any other time. A Class doors may be open when the vessel is at sea, but MUST be closed during hazardous conditions. B Class doors must be closed when the vessel is at sea, but MAY be left open providing a crew member is working in the adjacent compartment. In hazardous conditions, they must be closed. C Class doors must be closed at all times when the vessel is at sea but MAY be opened to allow a person to pass through.
@sebastiannielsen3 жыл бұрын
@@AlistairBaillie Thats what I wondered, if this exit - staircase - is locked or blocked in a non-emergency situation. Ergo life is NOT in danger, but the alternative exit is unavailable for other reasons than life-threathening situations. For example, here in sweden, if you are on car deck when the PA say "CAR DECK IS CLOSING" and you wait too long, you cannot open the exit door on the staircase/alternaitve exit. Its magnetically locked. This is to prevent unauthorized individuals from entering the car deck while someone else is exiting. Only crew members with a access card with permission to enter/exit car deck during closure/cruise time can release the magnetic lock, HOWEVER, there is a button, on the inside, which is placed inside a glass compartment where you can crush the glass to release power to the maglock. This button is ofcourse, only to be used during emergency. HOWEVER, there is watertight doors, leading to other spaces that DO have unlocked/available exits. What I have understand, if you as a unauthorized crew member, or passenger, is in this situation, your only "legal" option is to wait until ship docks in the other end? Or would it be "legal" to operate the watertight door in this case, to reach an available exit? Does this differ depending on haz situation or normal situation? (In this case, you have 3 options: 1: Break the glass on the button and open the locked exit. 2: Operate the watertight door and use the exit on the other compartment. 3: Wait until ship docks at the other end) What I have understand, its prohibited to operate watertight doors not for the own safety, but for the safety of the ship (ship could sink if one door is left open or if a door is opened during a flooding event). Is the duty officer himself permitted to operate watertight doors? Can anyone with permission from duty officer operate watertight doors, or are it only those marine/tech dept that can operate them with permission?