Cruiser Motorcycles Are Doomed! Here's Why

[@spitescorner]

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[@DJPTEXAS]

No, not every one can deal with the seat heights......

[@joeln6861]

No, because cruiser riders like the look and sounds of the cruisers. Some also like the much bigger wind protection, and lower seat height. I have a Tiger 900 GT low ride height, so mine is nice and low and I love it for cruising, but not everyone likes the look of it, etc.

[@BramBergs]

Nah, the guys in the leather vests have a reputation to uphold.

[@peterwilson8039]

The problem with Adv bikes is that they basically appeal to the same demographic as Harleys - and that's a demographic that's constantly getting older.

[@antoniovarela6713]

as a twin owner, if you got the leg, its the way to go. even if you dont have the leg and the want is there, its doable. glad you rode one.

[@zenith251]

I believe the era of cruisers being dominant in the US is waning, but won't ever be "over" due to seat height. Whether it's older folks, shorter folks, fatter folks, or just out-of-shape folks. Last I checked, America has a surplus of those in the last two categories.

[@spitescorner]

There's plenty of ADV options for shorter riders, to include lowering kits that work surprisingly well.

[@TommyNitro]

@@spitescorner I personally REALLY like the Triumph scramblers in terms of feel. They weigh as much as ADV bikes (the 900 and 1200s), but they fell much small. Very comfortable.

[@c0c0asauce]

​@@spitescorner Short people can manage but there are a lot of people who struggle to kick their leg over the typical 25-26" seat height on a HD. Even a baby GS equipped with every lowering option available will be over 29". Sport tourers haven't replaced cruisers either.

[@greatbigeye2506]

Cruisers- more hip bend less knee bend ADV- more knee bend less hip bend I’d like to see more tall seat options for cruisers and forward control kits for ADV/standard bikes which could be nice for people that don’t actually ride off road.

[@Chaals]

@@spitescornerbut wouldn't lowering an ADV bike kind of defeat the purpose? How else are ADV riders going to clear the curb to get to Starbucks when the drive thru line blocks the entrance?

[@fadetoblack1026]

Saying HD bikes are a little overpriced is a colossal understatement.

[@gamepockets]

You can take my Rebel 250 from my cold dead hands.

[@TommyNitro]

Rebel 250? That will run longer than either of us, lol.

[@logangodofcandy]

Tiny piece of shit? Okay, nobody wants it.

[@tomoates8568]

Hell yeah! Those old Rebel 250 are awesome!

[@ronoldcross8189]

The little Rebel 250, once you ride one, you understand why this underpowered, slow bike is such a unique, fun classic. If I didn't need a freeway mount and could only keep one bike, I'd have kept my "Mini Me". Still miss her.

[@dustclouds]

​@@ronoldcross8189Hmm, I rode Rebel 250 and it was just that, underpowered old tech bike

[@theprodigalstranger5259]

"The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco" - Mark Twain

[@SPLURG-ei8xw]

lol, I think you mean Tony Bennett.

[@viperq]

Costal Bay Area represent.

[@neonsamurai1348]

I don't see HD/Indian Cruiser/Bagger/Dressers; or Touring Bikes like the R1250RT, K1600, and Goldwing; or sport tourers like the 1290 Super Duke GT, R1250RS, S1000XR, F900XR, Tracer 9 GT+, etc; getting replaced any time soon by ADVs. I honestly think ADVs are more of a fashion trend like crossover SUVs are. Most riders never take them any further off road than a camp site, they are tall, the seat is high, the weight can be high up as well (particularly with the bigger tanks), and the wind protection can be virtually non existent to somewhat decent. Bagger/Dressers generally have much better wind protection, the newest models have better suspension (took HD ages to put half decent rear suspension on their touring bikes), and they can be extremely comfortable with the right modifications (a lower back rest is a must, and bars positioned to allow a relaxed riding stance). The only issue they have is that HD has stuck to their biker image for so long that they may not appeal to younger generations. I also think many people touring on an ADV would be better served by something like the R1250 RS/RT, or even the S1000XR/F900XR/Tracer 9 GT+/Multistrada, as they are designed for on road touring. They don't have the 21" front wheel (something you don't want for a 95%+ on road bike), or 50/50 tires, they tend to have better aero, and other features for long touring.

[@logangodofcandy]

You're right. You and other people are excessively short. An adv is as tall to you as a Harley is short to me.

[@someguy9520]

I would also add that most tire sizes that ADVs come with usually don't offer the best road tires as well. There are also very very few "GT" type of tires with stiffer carcasse and side walls for the increased weight+power Compared to sport tourers with standard 120/70/17 front and 180/55/17 rear that have almost every road tire in existence

[@Alex_mkII]

"The only issue they have".... I think you forgot to mention that cruisers are painfully slow, handle like barns, are comically overpriced, and often give you minimal features for that money. That fact that a Low Rider ST costs significantly more than my faster, better handling, better specced and more versatile Tiger 900 is why cruisers don't appeal to many younger folks. Harley and Indian need to drop a third off their prices.

[@puffybodie5282]

Have FDXF Fat Bob 2014 as a tall guy I can see it is not comfortable for long rides. And problem is same for all. Yes seat and weight is low, putting aside bad stock suspension and brakes the real problem is position of rider where your lower back gets a lot of kicking on increasingly bad roads even in developed countries. Keeping it for local fun, but put my Yamaha Royal Star Venture as deposit for Voge 900 DSX. Great overall touring bike with a lot of benefits to any cruiser. But especially wheels and suspension which is needed even as you do not go off road plus modern adv bikes are designed that you sit in them and not on them so they have lower seat and voila even shorter rider can enjoy them plus it helps tremendously with wind protection in the same time. I can see cruiser still going on in eg. USA and its states where there are long boring straight roads for hundreds of miles. Here in Europe it is very different story.

[@ADobbin1]

There are two types of ADV. There is the africa twin and tenere type which is off road focused and then there is the second type which is the vstrom and versys type for road. The second are smaller, lighter and cheaper touring bikes that burn less fuel.

[@tomoates8568]

Cruisers have already gone down a bit in popularity, but they will never be gone. A large part of the appeal of the cruiser is the style, the retro aspect of them. I currently own a Lowrider ST, and I absolutely love it in every way. Would a bunch of other bikes serve the same purpose? Yes, but they don’t have the same style or feel of a cruiser bike

[@matthayse8284]

I don't think cruisers are ever going away. A big part of the draw with cruisers is looking good. And while ADVs are cool, they aren't the same kind of cool as a big chromed out Harley or Indian.

[@fullmetalcorgi1350]

It's 2060. Honda sells more T-shirts and "lifestyle gear" than motorcycles. All they produce is P-Twin ADVs.

[@Ntmoffi]

Bold of you to assume that anything with cylinders will be allowed to exist in 2060.

[@fullmetalcorgi1350]

@@NtmoffiIf brains were gasoline you couldn't do two laps around a bagel in a go Kart. Normally I'd explain why you're wrong, but I feel like you're the type to be hypocritical about the "fact don't care about your feelings" sentiment.

[@Ntmoffi]

@@fullmetalcorgi1350 wtf are you going on about? I want bikes and hotrods with real engines. I can't control the regulations. They're gonna make what we like disappear.

[@fullmetalcorgi1350]

@@Ntmoffi then get some knowledge and hot rod it. If your room temperature IQ can't figure out how to spice up a neutered factory V8 you shouldn't even begin to comment on the current state of emissions regulations. Turn off newsmaxx and touch grass.

[@hyedefinition1080]

​@@Ntmoffistop blaming "they", start blaming "us"... there's proposals to have an EV tax now and the EV ppl are losing their minds and questioning the whole eco factors...it's our fault

[@jimbroen]

Us oldsters like our comfort. I don't care what label the manufacturer chooses when they categorize a bike. If it's comfortable with good wind protection and stowage to accommodate rain gear and such, I'm in. If you analyze the demographics of who is buying motorcycles, you have to conclude that there will always be a market for comfortable and boring.

[@giovanhagar]

That's what cars are for.

[@SongJLikes]

If I want to be comfortable, I don’t want to be riding a motorcycle… riding is time for being on point.

[@logangodofcandy]

Comfort of my Buick vs any bike ever made... Not comparable

[@AlexS-gn9tq]

Just drive a car ;)

[@jimbroen]

@@AlexS-gn9tq I don't own a car but if I did it would be a large Lexus sedan.

[@Sovspot]

The idea that cruisers are doomed is nonsense. Do they dominate the roads like they used? No, but they have a place. As a new rider myself, cruisers are what drew me into bikes. Now the big bagger style cruisers? No, I prefer the sporty smaller cruisers like the Indian scout. I have currently have a Vulcan S. And its performance is great for how much I pay for it which leads me to my point. Big Harleys and other baggers the cruisers that don't give you bang for buck, but the scouts, the vulcans and the rebels do and I think those cruisers are very popular right.

[@thegreenman2030]

Motorcycle sales in general are on the decline in the US. ADV’s will have their glory in the sun and like everything else the tides will turn and either something with a different title will come out or what old will become what’s new again. Personally I don’t see crustier culture going anywhere in the US. I would like to see more middle weight bikes on the market like there were in the early 2000’s. You can find some awesome muscle cruisers for great prices out there and they are a joy to ride. I have an ADV type bike and a middle weight cruiser and I enjoy the cruiser more on all street scenarios.

[@pmwaffle9348]

Middleweights are thriving rn but its mostly nakeds

[@House_of_Zodd]

Sold my cruiser this year and got a naked bike. I am definitely not going back

[@pocketlint82]

Did the same a couple years ago. When I want the comfort one day, I'll figure out a solution for my short legs on a sport tourer before going back to a heavy slow cruiser that isn't as fun in the twisties

[@cjjorge6636]

i like mine naked bike to. not a fan of my feet in front lol

[@ikica2766]

Me too. Also I prefer smaller displacement engines but I settled myself on hornet 600 pc41 by pure touch of destiny. Now my feats are almost too short and too busy with gear shifter and - I am really enjoy in it. Cruisers are past for me.

[@cjjorge6636]

@@ikica2766 same found the 2004 cb 600f i love it but my fav to ride is a duel sport

[@roadkill8161]

I sold my cruiser for a naked too, It's definitely a massive difference I hated it at first but It is a very fun style to ride. Although I am for sure buying another cruiser this year my back doesn't enjoy long rides on a naked lol

[@Wild1Banana]

As a older rider I no longer have any desire to ride a 900lb super Cruiser Harley etc that is a pain to service and a very unreliable machine with pour fuel mileage etc and performance. Why not buy a modern lightweight 750 to 1100 cc twin adventure bike with cruise and modern instrumentation etc and suspension that handle poorly maintained roads and reliable well engineered engine with all the comfort necessary to challenge any adventure to your local nature park.

[@logangodofcandy]

Tall bikes aren't a relaxed ride for most people.

[@brucem8129]

Both my HDs get 44 to 50 mpg, are simple to service, and are extremely reliable. You are talking trash.

[@russelld5838]

I'll bet this guy has never had a harley bagger.

[@patriot5891]

Hope you are tall.

[@GertjanZwiggelaar-mo4tz]

I had not ridden a motorcycle for many years, several decades in fact. I found ItchyBoots on KZbin and began watching her Season 6. By the time I reached episode 35 I went out and bought a new motorcycle. I first thought to get a Honda like hers; a little 300, but having been used to riding a 750 for a decade, a 300 was not quite enough bike for me. My 750 btw was the 149th Virago Yamaha had assembled in its first production year, 1981 and became the first Japanese cruiser. It was an excellent bike, still is, actually in mint condition in my brother's garage. Anyway, I went out to seek a bike at the Yamaha dealership after having visited local legendary dealership, Turple Brothers. Indeed, Glen, the 95 year young owner still rides everyday on his Spyder or Stryker, or perhaps his trike. Last year Glen clocked 45,000 km. He was 94 then. Anyway, I digressed as I spoke of a friend of mine for whom I have a high regard. Glen is a legend. So, anyway, I went to the Yamaha dealership and after first sitting on a Chinese made adventure bike with hard panniers, which fit quite nicely but, it was Chinese made and I am not much of a Chinese made fan. The disinterested sales agent who is no longer there, ha ha, pointed to a Kawasaki Versys 650 that was on sale, ten grand all in. I like that sort of deal and went home to research the Versys. Well, as you likely all know, that bike is one of the most top rated ADV bikes on the planet and so I bought it. That was at the end of July, 2022. The bike is a 2021 model; all beautiful slate grey with silver and red highlights. I began riding it in August. In Alberta our riding season is not so long, much too short in fact, but whatever, I am not a fair weather only rider. Yesterday I returned with a new chain and front sprocket, all service is done, I have a pair of good Shinko 705 E tires and am ready to embark on my third season on this bike. There are over 26,000 km on the clock. The only thing I wish it had was a larger front wheel because I do take this bike places where you would never take a HD for example and the scratches and gouges on my bike prove it. And, that 17 inch wheel makes it difficult for my big hands to get in and take a pressure reading or put the pump on the valve. However, eventually it all works out, so if you have large hands, check that out to see if you can get in to keep an eye on something lots of riders neglect. I am religious about my tire pressures if I am going out on the open road because sometimes I get up to a 100 miles per hour plus. The fastest I clocked was 180 km/hr. An American rider with a GPS clocked me at 110 miles per hour one day on Alberta highway 93 heading south to Banff. But, that is the bike's top end. I couldn't squeeze another km out of it. Not bad for a 650. But one would expect that since it is a Kawasaki and the Versys is built on a Ninja platform. Vroom, vroom. I am tall, 6'2" and the Versys 650 fits me perfectly, is very comfortable, can handle carrying camping gear and ride long distances without problems. One ride was 750 km and another lasted 18 hours in one day. As for age, today I am 73.5. If your life is boring, get a motorcycle and Spite is correct, the ADV products such as the Africa Twin or my bike will continue to attract riders and potential riders, no question. However, there will always be that group which likes to ride around on colossal, heavy, chromed up, mostly Chinese made HDs and be potential organ donors as they cruise about in flip flops and a hanky on their head. Thanks for making this video, Spite. I enjoyed this foggy tour, and to be reminded how beautiful SF is. There were actual architects who designed houses there. Ride safe, mate. Greetings from Alberta.

[@Josh-ew1le]

No one rides the speed limit in California. You could have rode 90+ back to Roseville no problem

[@viperq]

Unless there's a traffic jam.

[@vcocciolone]

Yes. Last week I sold my BMW r1100rt. This week I'm picking up a Honda cb500x. 🙂

[@vcocciolone]

Got it… love it!

[@FFL-vg9ro]

ADV bikes: Less than 5% are actually ridden off road. They are by and large pavement queens sold on the marketing hype of “Adventure”. It is a Fad, and just like all fads, it will fade, and then the market will crash. .

[@Drstrapps]

So about the same percentage as that of HD cruisers that are ridden more than 3000 miles in a year?

[@TacticalHamsterDance]

No, their performance on-road is good to be a valid choice over normal touring bikes like R 1250 RT etc.

[@sunrisejak2709]

People said the same about SUVs. They never go off road and this fad will fade. SUVs have endured (ugh) and I'm pretty sure ADVs are here to stay as well. (ugh). I ride a Honda NT1100 and it fits like a glove. But it seems sports/tourers are less favorable than the "tall rounders".

[@fuglbird]

I live in Northern Europe. In 1978 I did my first 2.500 miles camping trip with my girlfriend as passenger to Monaco and back on my two stroke three cylinder Suzuki GT550. Later I got a Moto Guzzi 850 T3 California and it was great for the long distances. Now I'm 66 and just got myself a Suzuki SV650. It's 37 lbs lighter than the adventure version and easier for me to push around. It's more nimble due to the shorter wheelbase which is good in the mountains and for U-turns. It's good we have so many different types of motorcycles to choose from today. I would wish we had more smaller ones about 250 - 500 cm³.

[@punchbuggyyellow7097]

Here in Australia cruisers are more of a neverwas than a hasbeen. We have the HD "freedom" riders & the blip in sales in the 90's when every dentist & accountant wanted a Harley, but HD's & cruisers in general are a pretty small segment in our market. If you wanted to tour in Australia you used to buy a touring bike. BMW K's & RT's, Yamaha FJR's & the like ruled the roads, with the odd Goldwing now & again. But, thanks to obi Wan Kenobi & his Long Way Round miniseries, the dentists & accountants switched to BMW GS's in the mid 00's & ADV's started cannibalizing touring bike sales.

[@logangodofcandy]

Australia doesn't have roads. The large carnivorous spiders and drop bears destroy the asphalt and concrete to quickly. Obviously you need armed adv style bikes. We all saw mad max.

[@punchbuggyyellow7097]

@@logangodofcandy Nah, the spiders are too small & easy to run over. And the Drop Bears are too stoned on backpacker blood to properly time dropping onto a moving motorcycle. What you really have to watch out for is the poisonous hoop snakes. When they form their bodies into a circle & start rolling down the road you'd better watch out. They've been clocked at over 100 mph & can hug the road like Rossi in his prime.

[@chrispekel5709]

Where do you live? Where I am cruisers are around 50% of the bikes on the road. If you're in somewhere like Sydney you'll see a lot more of non-cruiser types as they're used for commuting, but other places cruisers make up a huge percentage of the entire road bike fleet. I wouldn't say they're a 'never has been', but compared with the USA (or at least what I saw of it) there are less cruisers but there's still a LOT around

[@triforce_majora]

Well you see, I'll never be able to ride an ADV bike. Ever. They're not made for 5'2" people like me. They're wider and heavier than nakeds and sports, as well as incredibly tall. You mentioned lowering kits in a reply, but how many inches are we really able to shave off with that? 1? Maybe 2? That's not enough for someone like me to be comfortable. I'm already on the ball of one foot on my Triumph Trident sporting a 31.7" seat height thats had the seat shaved 0.5". An ADV bike cannot be lowered enough for me to be comfortable, because theyre significantly heavier than the Trident (by 100 lbs or so). I'd have the same amount of foot down with less ground clearance to boot, meaning lean angle is less and it changes things. It's really easy for you, as a very tall dude, to sit there and claim tall ADVs are superior to low cruisers because you've never had the experience of being short. And you, like every other reviewer/youtuber that's male, completely ignore the fact that plenty of us women riders are under 5'5" and can't do what you claim shorter riders can do, because we're not who you're thinking of. I've seen it in more than one of your videos. It's tiring for us fun sized riders to not be given any real advice and/or be ignored.

[@BUGBYTE_]

The biggest plus a ADV bike has over a cruiser is visibility and comfort. My lower back and butt gets sore on longer trips on cruisers. On a adv bike you sit a little more upright so it doesn't hit that pressure point on your butt the same way as it does on a cruiser. I mean if you get a cruiser with a big couch seat forget about it that's a game changer then at that point get a goldwing. The visibility thing is another plus you're up higher and can read traffic better and make earlier adjustments as traffic does what traffic does.

[@logangodofcandy]

I don't have the experience with either, but they don't make comfy cruisers, like a gold wing without all the crap?

[@BUGBYTE_]

@@logangodofcandy Honda had the cb1100 which was a cool bike. They stopped making it like least 10 years ago. It was basically a modern ujm. Most everything else is just a naked bike with a round tank now.

[@JohnCunningham-sy5ug]

I've owned a Goldwing that I did an iron butt on have owned four Harleys, owned a concours and a Vstrom . All are capable. For busting miles on Freeway nothing tops a Wing. But I'll take a road king if we're hitting the two lane. The cruiser is the Cockroach of motorcycles. ADVs are nice they have impacted the Sport touring bikes. Trends will come and go but two wheels will always be fun. 😊 I own a triumph thruxton also boys will be....😅

[@lonniecross4698]

I have a 2021 Goldwing that I've put 70K miles on in the last two years. It's the nicest vehicle I've ever owned. We're about to do 7K in two weeks headed out west from the east coast. I can't imagine doing that with the wife on an Africa twin. I hope that touring bikes aren't going anywhere. Oh, and 200 to 400 miles is not a big day.

[@logangodofcandy]

For like $30,000 dollars, it better be the nicest vehicle ever.

[@lonniecross4698]

​@@logangodofcandy Meh, You start putting options on some of those "adventure" bikes (which most folks do) and you can come real close to $30K. Heck I just priced a BMW with some options and it exceeded $30K

[@dmaxcustom]

Gain more audience? Sure. Replace? No. Bikes are emotional purchases, not rational ones.

[@TJ-qo2xu]

While I respect HD for the legacy... the quality hasn't been there (Nightster), and the prices are insane. I think the pricing has gone mental on them, and the stigma of the overall people riding said bikes are wanna-be billy badass riders. The new rider mentality is cost-effective, fun craving, and wanting to be friendly to each other. I think the arrogant nature of a lot of HD owners and the exorbitant cost of them to own and maintain is absurd. Cruisers aren't going anywhere as a whole... it's the high price, elitist mentality of HD (and Indian) that are in danger of falling into the past.

[@ziahreid9269]

Advs will never replace cruisers because they don't have the style that a lot of people still love.

[@logangodofcandy]

Yes, they do. They both make you look like a fake idiot. You don't Adventure and you aren't a badass. You're skinny, have a beer gut, can't fight, don't camp, don't know how to start a fire, etc. They both have the "I'm fake, laugh at me" look.

[@AttyEK]

I don't think they're doomed, HD might be, but cruisers maybe not. I just bought a cruiser and I cannot believe what I've been missing out till now. I've been riding a naked bike since I got my license. HOWEVER, manufacturers NEED to make cruisers more affordable, which is why I bought a RE Super Meteor 650. It's stylish, plenty of character, good tech and most of all CHEAP! And I don't consider myself old, mid 30s isn't old, right? I wanted to buy an Indian, just a little to expensive. I wished a little bit for a HD but hell nah! Don't need a second mortgage.

[@lgwappo]

Here's why I'll never buy another adventure bike. I'm 6'1" & bought a new Suzuki Vstrom 650 in 2007. Seat was junk so I bought the optional gel seat. I couldn't reach the ground so I had to buy lowering links. Now the center stand & side stand were too long & I had to spend more money buying adjustable length stands. Center of gravity on this bike is so high I couldn't lift it up when I dropped it. If I had just bought the Suzuki SV650 I'd still be riding it today. Lighter, cheaper, faster, more nimble & no modifications needed to ride it. I know plenty of riders with the same story.

[@philipfreeman72]

You dont need a big bike to have an adventure .

[@sportify4849]

You popped the question wrong. Are we talking about american made cruisers or in general? The american brands like Harley-Davidson and Indian Motorcycles will survive because they are clearly a niche based on tradition and remarkble marketing advantages. As you can see the real cruisers under the big japense companies have vanished from their portofolio. Especially in Europe and the rest of the 5 eye countries (Australia, Canada, new Zealand etc.). Some brands still hold their cruiser market in the USA under the japanese banner, but most of their cruiser portofolio has either vanished or substituted by a cruiser cross over sport naked bike like the Honda Rebel (wich survived due to its long lasting legendary name) or another example the Kawasaki Vulcan 650, which used to be from the 90s until 2010s real cruisers. Whats left over is just the name vulcan rebranded on their cute 650s, sharing the same engine with the Ninja, Z-model and versys. If you take the unicorn Honda Fury in consideration then you will notice that the bike only sold in the USA quite well (in the beginning) and in other countries not at all. Well it is also to be blamed the timing when the Fury was released, when custom cruiser had their major downfall just after the global banking crises in 2008 (Release was one year after in 2009).

[@errickkitchin36]

As someone that's only ever ridden crusiers I'm starting to look towards ADV bikes.

[@Wasabi-one]

Cruisers aren’t doomed. HD is doomed… While ADV bikes are on the rise of popularity they aren’t for everyone unfortunately. Shorter people opt out myself included. Love them, love working on them, too tall for me to ride.

[@billsheppard2433]

This is one of the reasons that I don’t like adv bikes. I am 6’2” and I took a test ride on a Harley Pan America and I could barely get my toes to the ground. As a taller person I can’t imagine that anyone shorter than 5’10” could ride that bike at all, if it weren’t for the advanced suspension that lowers when you come to a stop.

[@JustAnotherLuke94]

@@billsheppard2433 as a 5 foot 9 inch tall guy.. with a 32 inseam... I had a pan america with a Kodlins 2 inch lowering link.. Did not change any of my abilities to ride it like a sport bike on or off road... Plus I could comfortably flat foot one side.

[@chublez]

Flat footing is a crutch not a necessity.

[@logangodofcandy]

You people are quitters. It's slightly difficult, so you'll choose to fail instead. For shame.

[@Coletrainbaby]

Me currently trading my bmw gs for a harley fatboy because heavy prairie crosswinds suck & ive never been more comfortable on long trips in my life

[@lliamperkins3153]

I'm no BRUTHERRRR, but I did recently switch to an HD. Sold my ADV bike to buy a Harley cruiser. For some folks, me included, styling is a major decision when it comes to motorcycle choice. ADV bikes just don't seem to have the soul of a great big American cruiser. Price is a big factor to consider, I believe that a new Harley is overpriced for what it is, which is why I sold my 2023 for a 2008 Harley, but it was the best motorcycle decision I've ever made (other than learning to ride in the first place).

[@hibob841]

I don't think there are very many people cross-shopping cruisers and ADV bikes. While I give you huge credit for being open-minded and finding something to like about almost any bike, I don't think you're representative-wish it were otherwise. The die-hard Harley fans are very unlikely to ever buy anything else, and it's nothing to do with practicality or value. Conversely, cruisers have never really appealed to me or the family and friends I ride with. I just don't "get" them-and that's fine! To each his own!

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

Ofc I know him, he's me! I am looking for something long distance in which I won't lose the pillion like I do on my gixxer. I've looked at a bunch of cruisers but at the end I think it's gonna be a versys 650. I had the naked version in school and it was a very well mannered bike. The only thing I found wrong with it was it was buzzy after 60mph but I can't afford more cylinders so it will do. I'll fix that in the aftermarket. Plus I expect it to have a slightly lower first gear too compared to the naked. Plus I barely uses any fuel and it comes with a huge tank, 21 liters. That helps!

[@hibob841]

@@SoulTouchMusic93 Good choice!

[@zimman20]

As my friends and I get older, I'm nearing 60 now - the HD baggers are simply too heavy anymore. Less fun, I promise you...even with the top tour pack taken off via a quick-release setup, which helps - it's still an 800 lb beastie. My Pan America is closer to ~600 lbs wet, if I remember correctly - what a difference! More nimble, it's a sport-tourer in disguise! NTM 150hp, yeah? LOL Maybe ADV bikes are a fad but it's been a fair few years now that ADV bike sales have been on the rise across all brands, I believe.....so many things to like about an ADV bike, I'm hoping it's a fad that sticks. Options are needed, esp to bring new riders into the fold!

[@atomicgrasshopper4391]

I think this video is for the American Audiences only. ..Adventure Bikes are not popular since the pandemic but the boom started since Obi Wan Kenobi and his slightly overweight comedian friend decided to hit Mongolia, back in 2003. In Europe, ADV bikes are popular for two decades. Cruisers, however, are fewer and fewer on the roads, especially Harleys who appeal mostly to rich dads and wanna be Jax Tellers. I used to own 3 Harleys in the past, among other Japanese cruisers, here. Exchanged the HD for a Triumph Bonneville( much more at home on the narrow twisty roads of Europe. Also got a GS 1200 for going long distance and for light, off the pavement adventures. The only HD I will buy again is the Pan Am but as we speak, iti did not yet convinced me to trade my 10 yeas old GS. The price is too high to upgrade for a slightly marginal better bike. Do is Miss the Harley rumble? Of course! But prices are insane and can be hardly justified.

[@bhouse92101]

Suzuki just had a demo event here recently and I got a chance to ride the GSX-S1000GT+ and I really liked it. I’m interested in it as a second bike, but feel like it would just be duplicating my bagger (2022 Indian Springfield Dark Horse), so I stay with just the one bike. Maybe the NEXT bike will be something different.

[@stevemanner7452]

I currently own a cruiser but my previous bike was a Husqvarna 701 supermoto. My current state is that motorcycles should be looked upon as show pieces of combustion engine engineering. I truly love going down the road and thinking about the v-twin 1500 pounding underneath me. If what you are looking for is really fast performance on the street, then go buy a car. I think most people would agree with me because the one's that don't are dead.

[@rubo1964]

100percent

[@MattMills91]

I think I agree with you almost in totality. I think but cruisers are in fact doomed IF they can not capture the hearts and minds of newer younger riders. Yeah, most millennial riders I know (myself included) would love a big comfy mile muncher, but 30-40k???? That's absurd... Both HD and my brand Indian are guilty of this. Catering to the rich old generation who are starting to not even be able to ride anymore, while Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki ect are all making cruisers and/or more interesting bikes for less than half the price will prove to be a losing strategy.

[@waylandsnowmobile]

I think you are correct. I'm older (65) and own a 2010 BMW RT and a 2007 BMW GS. Both have very low miles because I bought them used from guys who buy new then never use them. I ride with Harley guys sometimes. They are a bit like lemmings in that they all have the same model Harley, same pirate clothes and lack of protective gear. I can tell you that either of my bikes are much faster, quieter, and just as comfortable. I have much less invested in both bikes than any one of their Harleys. I've ridden their 900 lbs. rolling couch bikes. No thanks, I want back on my bike asap.

[@Starship007]

If you must finance a car, motorcycle or any depreciating liability longer than 3-5 years you really can not afford.

[@thecarse1447]

i have talked to harley riders, they usually aren’t riding brand new bikes, and at least the ones ive talked to would probably laugh if someone told them to get a adventure bike , because it’s cheaper and better on paper. Personally i don’t really care, but im a mechanic so i would just buy a cheaper used bike harley or whatever and have fun, spending 20k+ on any bike is ridiculous

[@cliveomahoney4096]

Ummmm, it's not really a conspiracy theory. Who is conspiring...and for what reason? Loved the fog. Thanks for the vid

[@arthur4818]

I ride a harley because of the seat height. I just feel safer when I can flat foot, I don't know why they can't build an ADV bike with lower seat height

[@TacticalHamsterDance]

In Europe, they mostly already did, and most vendors scaled back their production: The only JP cruisers left are the Rebels and Vulcan S which use inline twins from CB 500, AT and ER 6/Z 650, and EU vendors also dropped many models such as the Moto Guzzi Californias (incl. Audace and other models with the engine) and Triumph Thunderbirds. Many people talking about adv bikes do not realize they're touring bikes and as such, they are for example light (normal touring bikes like R 1250 RT weight 40 more kg and cruisers even much more), do not have a mass of plastics, yes, they have worse wind protection but for some this is a pro as it gives you more of a bike feel. The suspension is much better than on a cruiser (which is great on bad roads) and they're much sportier, although they share the last 2 things with touring bikes. Having your legs below you is an advantage for some as they help soften the bumps which go to your backbone on cruisers. There are some people who like the "americana", such as many MCs, but there is not so much of them compared to other bikes, and for those who want a retro bike, there is a lot of other options and those are often better priced than cruisers.

[@lazzygnome4060]

Cruisers are mostly a culture over function. Especially Harley culture. I think the big issue is that the generation of people that got attached to the Harley lifestyle are mostly aging out of the ability to continue riding, and Harley as a company specifically doesn't know how to adjust.

[@feloniousmonk3049]

I just got back from the ANNUAL 2024 BMW MOA in Redmond, OR this weekend. Anything 1150, 1200, 1200 WC and 1250 WC was represented there. Most prominent were the GSA's, followed by the RT's and then the Beasts, the K1600's. I also saw 1200 and 1250 R's set up to tour as well as a few RS's with bags, too. Seems Shad is a popular brand in these. In addition to all the nolstagic Airheads, and early model GSA's, Paris to Dakar models. People mostly rode them in, from all over the country. But I would say far and away most representative were any of the GS and GS Adventure models as well as the RT models. Very few, 750- 850 twins or the 1000XR models. If Harley is King of the 45 V Twin, then BMW is the King of the Boxer motor designs. And the culture is completely different... I would say 99% of the bikes had stock exhausts or if after market, like Akrapovic, they were all very very quiet on cold start ups and idles, as well as all the early riser tent campers that packed up in the dark on Saturday or Sunday mornings to make big mile rides back home. No half naked women, no noticeable drunks, 2 live bands each night. A far cry from Sturgis. I will also say that there were many, many older riders, that mentioned being former RG and SG owners, but the bikes got too heavy for them as they aged out, so a 600# R1250RT was a blessing, to still be able to ride on. Some of the older guys just went with the 7.9 gallon tanked GSA's and just bought them with low suspension and low seats, to be able to reach the ground.

[@johnsaporta4633]

Love the San Francisco footage, especially riding the bridge in fog. Riding big bridges on motorcycles is an adventure unto itself. Had a blast going from Sault St. Marie to Canada as part of my Lake Superior tour.

[@logangodofcandy]

I was worried about all the human crap he might slip on.

[@Domitianvs]

For anyone who has played a ton of GTA: SA, it's impossible to see the building you're in front of around the 11-minute mark and not see Jizzy's Pleasure Dome Club.

[@human1513]

And an ADV bike you can explore gravel and dirt roads and get to sites via these roads.

[@laxrider8818]

when i was shopping around a new bike I was very interested in the 2024 HD roadglide but when dealerships were asking almost 40K thats when I turn to ADV bikes and bough a KTM 1290 SAR, a far more capable bike with a ton of power, tech, comfort and a gas tank big enough to eat a ton of miles; not mention way more fun to ride. I though about the Pan America at first but it just didnt sit with me, plus the dealerships at the time were not offering any deals; some dealers in my area had pan am's that were sitting for over a year

[@scottsheppard6077]

Harley-Davidson has priced themselves out of the market for most riders. Their customer service is horrendous! Traded my 2021 Road Glide Special for a new Indian Challenger. Loving the Challenger. Keeping my wife's Heritage 114 for now.

[@TheJHA67]

As an 2020 Honda AT AS driver, I'm probably a bit biased.. but what I see in my environment is that on trips now there are a majority of ADV drivers.. There are actually three of the drivers who have HD who have bought ADV.. which they now use on the longer trips... and that's only because of comfort and ease of driving. The advantage for us who already drive ADV is that we can now drive everywhere, and not be tied to asphalt on all trips. There is nothing that I have driven before that is as comfortable as an AT AS with air suspensions :)

[@dav8388]

I would love to get an ADV bike, but the problem is I'm 5'7" with a 30" inseam. I also have big thighs, so I struggle to get my feet down because most ADVs are too tall. I sat on a Tracer 9GT which in my research has one of the lowest seat heights, but with the seat at its lowest setting I was still on my tip toes. They need to make an ADV like the Africa twin for shorter riders.

[@cjjorge6636]

get taller boots and it's ok to use 1 foot to stop just slide to the side a lil bit lol

[@flechette3782]

I have both a BMW ADV bike and a Harley. I use the BMW more as I often do down dirt roads in my state. BUT...I will say that the Harley is easier to ride in some ways. For one, it is lower. ADV bikes tend to have long shocks to do the off-road thing, but this means that a lot of average height people are stopped on their tippy-toes at intersections, or leaning the bike over onto one foot. Not so with Harleys. Most people can flat foot with their knees bent. I do not understand why the ADV bike manufactures design bikes optimized for 6' tall people. The average American male is 5'9". Just scale everything down (including tires) proportionally so we can stand properly!

[@joshmaddux]

Damn you Spite… you make such good videos I’m literally sitting on my bike with one foot down watching this vid. 🤷🏻‍♂️💯

[@Aonarach415]

Oh this is such a cool video. I'm so glad you did this instead of edited video up in Sacramento. This is my neck of the woods, so it's a lot of fun to see how much fun you all have going over the Golden Gate. Makes me appreciate what I take for granted too often living here. Thank's Spite!

[@lovingmylifeasIage6741]

Well cruisers are different then touring bikes. The older generation, who still tour will opt for comfort on longer rides. That being said I'm thinking that there are less people touring now a days on on motorcycles. I'm 70 and I traded in my Street Glide for a Heritage. It's perfect for long rides and bike nights. We are aging out and the younger generation would be more into middle weight bikes. That is why the Japanese are producing so many parallel twin street fighters. They will take a lot of business away from Harley and big touring bikes. The younger generation would rather fly or drive a car for long distances. They don't have that romantic desires of the open road like we do.

[@markospapasifakis4210]

don't forget that you can ride on all types of dirt road depending on your skill level! I have a 2005 GS1200. It is basically analogue with none of the electronic bullshit! I know how to start on the most extreme uphill, turn safely without help and as I am old school I still use paper maps! I have a cell if I need GPS which is rare. Sometimes I will even stop and ask directions and get into great discussions!!!

[@robertwilliams4486]

Love to see responsible filtering/ splitting, should be legal everywhere.

[@sgtButleronPC]

Don't forget the KLR 650. A basic bike with no unnecessary tech, fully loaded for under 10K.

[@joeybobbie1]

And very reliable.

[@Jeffyinthehills]

Your knees are bent too much. I can’t ride with my feet under my ass. Bad back and bad knees require my feet to be forward. If I can’t have a cruiser, I would not ride at all

[@JamesBiggar]

You mean that your knees would be bent too much. The shoe that fits one foot pinches another.

[@cjjorge6636]

i can't stand m feet in front of me. i use my foot pegs to help turn sharp &fast got to have that snappy staring i like my feet under me with a bad back it feel better i ride a cb600f i sit up and my legs feel good not bent up and my duel sport my legs are flat and a soft bend in the knees idk to each its own

[@jayreid75]

I'm short, getting old and have bad hips. I just got rid of my MT-07 and bought a Rebel 1100T because even the 31 1/2" seat on the MT was getting tough. I had to get a shorter bike. I'd love an Africa Twin but there's no way I could get on it.

[@cmajaa1]

I'm 64 and 5'3'' and just purchased a BMW F 750gs lowered from the factory and I know Triumph also makes LRH models, after the first ride I can see why their gaining in popularity, extremely comfortable, great wind protection, and sporty as well.

[@domnord8865]

Too many cheap well maintained used cruisers on the FB marketplace. As a new rider with a limited budget, I was able to get a nice cruiser and gear for about 3k. Would love an adv bike though.

[@BigAl53750]

I started riding fifty years ago. My first bike was a 1969 Triumph Trident that went like the wind. After that I went to 650 Bonneville, a Norton 850 Commando, a 750 Bonneville, a T160 Trident (the last model in that range) I paid $800 for my first bike, then over the years, in order, the price went up as they got a little rarer. The most I have ever spent to buy a bike, was the 7 grand I paid for my surrent ride; a 1997 883 Sportster, which I have made into a 1275 with a kit from hammer Performance. I’ve ridden that bike all over eastern Australia and I have no plans on every selling it until the day I can no longer throw my leg over a bike. I have never bough a brand new motorcycle (or car for that matter) in my life. I have ridden bikes on 500 miles in a day rides since the get-go. I don’t need to take everyting including the kitchen sink with me anywhere, so I have no idea what the soft-serve ‘bikers’ of today (including Harley riders) are on about. You need a change of clothes (maybe four pairs of socks) and a few tools (just in case) and your bike. THAT IS ALL!!! If you MUST take half a house worth of stuff with you on a ride, BUY A CAR! I like doing the large miles per day, but then again, I enjoy doin’ the meandering, get there when I feel like it, type of trips too. A friend of mine had an adventure bike and I took it for a ride one day. It was a Yamaha 900 twin and it was a decently set up bike. I have also ridden a bunch of others over the years, including a Triumph Rocket 3, 2.3 Litre, triple, which I found scary because you had no idea how fast you’re going without a look at the speedo. Mike’s adventure bike firghtened the pants off me and that’s not an easy thing to do, I can tell you! I felt like I was sitting on top of a ladder, with a whole truckload of weight just under my backside, and the whole thing was so keen on falling into corners that it felt as stable as a ten foot tall unicycle. If peoople like riding the dman things, let ‘em, but I have zero interest in them. There again, I have zero interest in any bike that has the electronic crap that even Harelys do these days. My only caveat there would be anti-lock brakes, but hey, if you don’t know how to ride without that stuff, you shouldn't be on two wheels. (The guy on MotoJitsu says you should learn to ride without the aids, even anti-lock braking, so I’m not being silly here) As for all the ‘comfort’ stuff, I’ll admit that at 67, I like my Air-Hawk on a long ride (500+ miles per day), but the big tourers with their own built-in coffee machines, stereo systems and such, don’t really interest me much. give me a twisting moutain road, where I can frighten some sportbike riders by how far my Harley Sportster will lean beofre grinding anything (yes I have longer rear shocks on it) and I’m happy. I have some old leather saddlebags and a backrest I can put on for long rides, with room to put a bag for essentials. That’s it. The whole idea USED TO BE, that you rode a motorcycle for the fun and freedom and you worked out how little you actually needed to take and then worked out a way of making that happen. NOW, it seems to be; “I wanna take 20 times the gear I’d be allowed to take on any airline, strap it onto my bike, and transport all that weight, two thousand miles and back again, as fast as possible”. (Again, Harley riders are just as bad, if not worse than any others in this regard) I have found that the; 'less is more’ approach, is a much more enjoyable way of doing the motorcycle touring thing. Less to worry about for a start and worry is neither enjoyable, nor healthy, on a motorcycle trip. So, I tend to agree with the idea that Cruisers are a thing of the past, although technically, my Sporty falls in that category.

[@DMugsP]

If they where not that expensive would help too

[@AyaWetts]

Not all of us like ADV bikes... I don't like them at all. I love cruisers though.

[@rdavidsen7344]

Spite, I value your videos but gave you a thumbs down on this one. If the 'main header / topic' isn't discussed until 15 minutes into...you need to be upfront about it at the start of the video, even if you have time stamps.

[@spitescorner]

If people would click on "I went to the golden gate" I'd title it that, but the first half illustrates the point in the second half.

[@rdavidsen7344]

@@spitescorner "If people would click on "I went to the golden gate" I'd title it that"... Good for views, yet deceptive and disingenuous. You can do so much better. I (and I imagine some, perhaps many) came to the video expecting what your title "claimed." Yet what you mainly delivered was a ride on a Transalp. Had you actually ridden a cruiser on your ride perhaps your own words "the first half illustrates the point in the second half" might have delivered? I encourage you to spend some time with motorcycle cops and their 'issued' Harley cruisers. Maybe, just maybe you'll realize it's the rider, and the rider's illusions, and not the bike. [Note, perhaps you have...I, haven't checked all your videos or those you participated with YN]. This post is meant as constructive feedback. I hope it is taken as such. All the best with your channel.

[@hughmac7423]

Click bait title, you could do better.

[@joetheagent]

Ha ha! You are riding in my area! Love that ride! Yeah the water is WAY down there on the bridge! maybe I'm old... but I'll keep my v-twin cruiser until I actually want to go off road... and in that case I'm buying a dirt bike. Thanks to all the ADV Dad's out there that are helping to drive the price of used cruisers into the dirt.

[@briancornellier9057]

The casual no hands at 70+ ice in the veins bro

[@spitescorner]

You should watch me ride a BMW GS then 🤣

[@plugnut4713]

Man, motorcycles are so complicated today Manufacturers will give us whatever we are willing to pay for. lol.

[@Ramonatho]

I think there's one point missing on this debate: cruisers will always win for me because I'm really short.

[@motomike71]

No matter what time of year I've been to San Fransisco, it's always cool around the bay. Even in summer you need a sweatshirt.

[@AJRides]

Simply Adventure bikes are like Swiss knife of the motorcycles.

[@danielkemmet2594]

It's hard to get into an HD Because they're now trying to become a "Luxury" brand. Which basically means over the top city bikes that are wayy to expensive for the average person to afford. Indian makes great cruisers that are reasonably priced, durable as hell and just over all great quality.

[@chrispekel5709]

Unfortunately here in Australia they're almost the same price, and used market is also high

[@nomorebs88]

One issue is that ADV bikes are less accessible due to their high seat height. Anyone can hop on a cruiser and get their feet down.

[@spitescorner]

This is very true. They have lowering seats and kits, but you don't normally have to do that to cruisers

[@logangodofcandy]

The limiting factor is people thinking they need to or should be having two feet down.

[@csolivais1979]

​@@logangodofcandywhat kind of bike do you ride that you can back in/out with only one foot?

[@gfdemt917]

​@spitescorner isnt lowering an adv bike kinda like putting a liftkit on a Ferrari?? It defeats the entire purpose of the machine

[@csolivais1979]

@@gfdemt917 depends. If you are doing highly technical off road stuff, then probably not the best. But if the worst off road stuff you do is single track that's not super rocky, probably not going to make a difference.

[@Jubelly]

I owned a hd for 10years and bought myself an africa twin last year to replace it. I can only confirm all the things you mentioned. A very good bike, not to expensive and can do everything

[@bustermoto]

Nice segment! Cool that you passed my town on the "Cruisers Are DOOMED!" clip.

[@captainobvious5349]

Sold my bagger and got a Triumph Tiger Other than the wind buffeting, this has been a superb bike. Upright seating position, nimble and easy to whip around Cost: $9800 USD

[@msd85TvT]

Maybe 35k is too much for any cruiser?

[@Fishandgrub]

First time making a comment, but I have to ask what you think about the 1998Harley Sportster 1200.. Have you ever ridden one ? What are your thoughts on it ?

[@67daltonknox]

As an older rider (76) I think adventure bikes are the way to go: riding position, comfort and weight. I'm on my third in 20 years: V-Strom 1000, Multistrada (POS avoid) and for the last 4 years, a 1290SAS.

[@TheJasinator]

I don't see cruisers going away. Here 80% of the bikes i see are cruisers, thats including all categories of bikes. I wanted to test ride a certain honda before my last purchase. None of the dealers in a 150-mile radius had any motorcycles in inventory. Five harley-davidson dealerships within that radius and always have inventory, even during the government sponsored pandemic.

[@logangodofcandy]

"cruiser" is kind of a catch all term for any bike that isn't specifically something else. There is plenty of overlap.

[@TheJasinator]

@logangodofcandy no, the only other bikes I'm including in the cruiser category that aren't "cruisers" are low touring bikes with forward controls because they are just heavy cruisers.

[@ADobbin1]

that's because they couldn't sell the overpriced gas hogs.

[@guy7670]

@@ADobbin1 Yeah people are really hurt by gas prices. Nobody buys an S.U.V.

[@TheJasinator]

@ADobbin1 they sell the 💩 out of them in this part of the country.

[@stefanhansen5882]

I don't understand people buying a motorcycle for comfort and going long distances. I now ride an SV650. It's an awesome bike for riding around town, to and from cafes, and on windy roads. And that's what I think a motorcycle is ideal for. For going long distance in comfort the cheapest car in the world is MUCH better and MUCH more comfortable than ANY motorcycle-at least in my book.

[@draculasdaughter36]

I've had my 92' 1100 Virago since it was new and just baught a 2023 Moto Guzzi V7 Stone SE. The V7 is lighter, more nimble, has more horse power and handles better than the Virago. But the riding position on the Virago just can't be beat for day long rides and road trips.

[@bluewombat]

Not a chance in hell would I trade my CVO Road Glide for an adventure bike. Would i buy a Panam as second or third bike? Sure, but no adventure bike comes even close to the comfort and features of my Road Glide, and I can simply ride much longer distances for many days in a row on that thing without any back pain, than I would ever be able to on any other style of bike. They may not be for everyone, but they're not going anywhere.

[@alexwilsonpottery3733]

A 36” saddle height used to be just for motocross. ‘Cruisers’ are an ergonomic nightmare - I get a backache whenever I see one. Had a friend in the 80s tour all over Europe - on a Le Mans MK1, I tent-toured the UK on a 125 two-stroke. American roads and distances are a bit different, but you can still tour on pretty much anything…as long as you’re not destination fixated. Freeway riding sucks!

[@cjjorge6636]

HD and it's crappy over priced bikes/crazy fan base and the mc club gangs made it not cool and 700/1000 is not fun to ride just saying lol

[@Wintersdark]

And let's be real. Even if the HD badge is super important to you? Enter: The Pan America.

[@logangodofcandy]

The pan am isn't an archaic piece of shit like all the other Harley's. It's not a real bike if it has electricity or something.

[@guy7670]

@@SimonRiley752 people don't want it. Not very good on road or off and time consuming maintenance work.

[@LiviuXSA]

its a very bad idea to try to force your audience to listen to anything more than maybe 5 seconds of bad audio, trying to force us to go for 5 minutes is weak sauce. keep your standards up, scrap the footage, redo the trip, whatever it takes. i came into this curious to 'find out why' (its crappy to force clickbaity titles but i was gonna let it slide) and im outta here, i cant jump back and forth thru the video to find out where the information is but also with good audio. hope this helps

[@skere6897]

chill bro life is better if you’re not looking at everything through shit tinted glasses. Hope this helps

[@guy7670]

@@skere6897 He wasn't counting on Fanboys seeing the comment. BTW it wasn't his glasses it was the camera, don't be scared of constructive criticism that can make a channel better, its a merit system sorry.

[@V4demon_]

In the uk, EVERYONE seems to be riding adventre bikes. Beemer GS specifically. Wasn't until i watched a Moto camping vlog of them, i thought, yeah thats pretty cool, actually. Still, though, i wouldn't have one. I bet they are fantastic bikes, but nah... i love cruisers and sports bikes. Currently own a VFR but saving for a triumph bobber.

[@marienritter1856]

Bro you’re so right. I had the same realization. Was thinking about getting a Fat Boy because I love the look of that bike, but looking at the price I could get a supped up GS instead. Like, where’s all that “value” Harley?? Lmfao, give me a break.

[@jimdoerr7483]

Great click bait! I think what we call "cruisers" now are effectively the OG standard bike, with all others (sport, ADV touring, drag, etc...) being special purpose bikes. If I'm right, cruisers will always have a place, with the others filling trends which come and go in popularity over time.

[@kannermw]

Here is real truth not sone guys opinion. More women, many fewer young riders, and less young affluent buyers. All motorcycling is dying in U.S. and not just cruisers. Probably more geriatric 3-wheelers and smaller lighter bikes for older riders but still must be comfortable with protection from environment. This means no sport or naked bikes except for the hard-core which is few and far beyween above age 50. "7. A graying market. The median age of the typical motorcycle owner is 47, up from 32 in 1990 and 40 in 2009. And although its sales are slipping, Harley maintains a 55.1% share of the 35 and older male rider demographic. However, more troubling for the industry is the decline in riders under 18, which has fallen from 8% in 1990 to 2%, and those between 18 and 24 from 16% of the total down to 6%. Where will the new bike buyers come from if the industry is not attracting these younger people? 8. The great escape. Married riders comprise 61% of motorcycle owners, up from 57% in 1990. 9. Becoming a wealthy pursuit. Some 24% of motorcycle owner households earned between $50,000 and $74,999 in 2014, and as much as 65% earned $50,000 or more. The the median household income was $62,200

[@BillLaBrie]

Saddens me to think the mass market for motorcycles in the US will have turned out to be a single-generation phenomenon. Millions of boomers enthusiastically got in bikes in the 50s through the 60s, went to work for 20 years or so, came back to riding with a lot of money in the 90s, turned HD into an empire, and now they’re dying off. Gen X is a smaller, less-wealthy group more aware of the dangers of riding. Millennials even more so. I don’t see GenZ hopping on bikes as most of them seem to fear their own shadows. The future of motorcycling in the US is as a heavily-regulated fringe hobby like skydiving or hang gliding.

[@xPablo1376]

I wanna say no [gold wing owner here ] comfort for long rides a windshield tonprotect you from wind and rocks . I love comfort. Taken myGl1500[my daily driver] thru gravel and dirt roads to get to hotsprings and astrophotography. A lighter dual sport is imo better than a adv. The adv does everything meh in comparison a jack of all trades and a master of none [But id be lying if i didnt wanna one day get Africa twin tho harleys adv looks good to but i wanna ride not wrench]

[@codyoffenbacher]

Not related. But you are my favorite bike reviewer. Back in the..other days ...my wife and I would only watch a video you were in. Just pure honest and a normal person. I kept looking for a review from you for my current bike before I purchased it, but didn't see one. That's how much I trust your opinion. Keep it up man. On a 0-10 scale of KZbin motorcycle content, you're a 12.

[@bigbobfromto]

I ride a 2014 Kawasaki Nomad 1700 ( cruiser). I just finished a 17-day 9000 km (5500 mile) road trip from Toronto to St. John's Newfoundland with MANY detours and side trip adventures. My next bike will probably be an ADV because only HD is offering new big cruisers here in Canada in 2024 and like you said they cost too much in realative dollars to the adventure bikes.😊

[@sandyadventures]

Cruisers are cool, but I see them really as the new cafe racer, less and less of them.... Think V-Rod Cool.... The other ones not so much. Why spend as much as an SUV for a Harley? They are pricing the big tourers and cruisers out of the market.... ADV bikes are the future, basically the new standard motorcycle with a little SUV mixed in! LOL

[@ericjones7777]

hahaha, I'm on the German equivalent of the American Barcalounger.I've not considered a cruiser style bike since the bank turned me down for a loan on an 883 back in 1991. I bought an 86' Kawasaki Concourse and was sold on sport touring bikes since then. I would consider an ADV if I lived in a location that had off road/on road options but I don't see any close by. I'm sure there are, I live in Yokohama Japan, because I see lots of ADV's cruising about. I can say 3 to 4 hours on my R1250RT still puts my butt to sleep but I'm way more comfy then my friends on their sport bikes and don't have to stop for gas near as much as cruiser riders. Growing up when I did HD's, owned by AMF, were just terrible. Unreliable, over priced and under powered was all I ever heard. The stigma that the bike wasn't for non-whites didn't sit well either. I got older and found I just didn't care for the style. That and what I got for my money.