Crusader Kings 2 - CK2 Plus | Tutorial | Tribal Government & Gavelkind Succession

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In our prior tutorial, we discussed army composition and how to wage war on your enemies via force of arms. Now, we analyze the mechanics of battle in Crusader Kings 2, discussing how to build an army in a manner that maximizes tactics on the battlefield.
Very helpful links illustrating combat tactics:
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Disclaimer: This tutorial series focuses primarily on feudal play as a catholic player. Furthermore, I have numerous DLCs installed, as well as the CK2 Plus mod. Therefore, some of the information provided herein may be inaccurate or different for those playing strictly vanilla.
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[@RanchhandGaming]

Im playing as Sweden and I have had to duel the king of Norway 6 generations in a row.

[@lucas182512]

Excellent video. Man, getting money is tough. I wanted to start raiding (germanic start in earliest period in norway) but I had no ships and no tech as a count. Had to do a looooot of waiting and fast forwarding to get me some damn ships. That tax income is no damn joke.

[@Shinryu-Elffire]

Thank you for the tutorial. It helped me understand the gavelkind concept. Now I know what I have to do. I was afraid of the land falling apart after my death, so I went for ultimageniture (because primogeniture had harder requirements), but that often led me to playing an infant and waiting for 16 years while my regent tried his best to ruin everything. Also it had the problem that almost every child hated me for setting this succession law. No, I think I'll give gavelkind a chance next time :)

[@Bringmeoneofthosechickens]

How did everything turn out?

[@popnachzahlen]

very insightful, thank you!

[@AoEBros]

Thanks!

[@uncletimo6059]

Very good tutorial, bro. Just fell victim to gavelkind in my tribal polish run, as my guy was a holder of 2 tribal chieftain titles... Thanks for this.

[@ProphecyBoxBreaks]

Good Video, lots of great information. I just felt that this could have been a 20-25 min video , just based on going over some points 3-4 times. Overall great job, thanks for the helpful information!

[@AoEBros]

Thanks man! Yeah, I apologize for the repetition. Repetition was for those new to the game. There's a lot of content and it can be easy to get lost in it all!

[@W11ndy2]

Its better to say it once very clearly than repeat. Good video, I learned a lot but the repeating is actually confusing because we don't know if you're saying something new until its becomes clear that you're just saying it again.

[@steelrazor]

Thanks! I've not been raiding or sorting my succession titles out so I've been penniless and struggling! Although, I have got my concubining & sujbucating on

[@AoEBros]

If ya got dem bitches, who needs an empire?

[@Lo-vp4nl]

I’ve found that having 2-3 kids in gavelkind can be easier that having a whole squad of them because you can wage war for those titles back and even involve your allies if possible so you can still get the titles back but it takes less wars. Also if you hav more than one duchy or kingdom title that will split you can make your other heirs crap and even diffreny cultures and if you are good different religion than their future vassals so they get less troops and are hated so they have to deal with internal problems instead of you the external problem

[@jackdaniels9296]

I found some useful things as well to do with gravelkind. Only improve your capital country. Dont bother improving other counties. Try keep all your children unmarried (no grand kids). I believe it helps out when you transfer to your next character. Maybe, someone else would like to share some of their tips too?

[@AoEBros]

Jack Daniels thanks for the comment! You're spot on! Thanks for sharing!

[@paulvonhindenburg4727]

That seems to work thanks

[@lukepickett4866]

Wow that's really helpful. Been playing as Sweden and didn't learn about the high title thing until after I made a few kingdoms. After that character died I spent the next 4 generations assassinating all of the other title holders until I came up in the list and got the title back. Not a very fun way to go as it costs a lot of money and risks earning you the kinslayer attribute which basically means for tribal is all of your vassals hate you so you cant raise troops and yuck. Anyways, I recently reformed my religion and am looking at going to feudalism but you have to have absolute tribal organization which I am finding impossible to attain. By the time you have the extra heavy short reign penalty for tribal taken care of and can begin to work at advancing up the tree they each have a greater penalty to vassal opinion which means that if you die that along with the short reign penalty they all get together and force you to drop organization to a lower level. How can this be done?! Would stand to reason this is also a problem needed to be overcome to get that special succession for feudal where only one heir inherits everything but I never got that far with a feudal ruler :( Any help on this would be super great!! Thanks! Love these videos!

[@AoEBros]

Thanks for the comment and I'm sorry for the delayed response. I'm sorry, but I'm not tracking your problem. Could you please explain further?

[@lukepickett4866]

Basically the higher you raise your organization the more your vassals don't like you. When I get a new leader the short reign penalty drops their opinion of me even further and they always end up rebelling and forcing me to drop organization. This of course prevents me from raising organization and prevents me from EVER getting to feudal. I hope I clarified that enough. Thank you.

[@AoEBros]

Ah got ya. Try this: reform the faith first, then begin raising tribal organization with an eye towards feudal in about 20 years from reforming the faith. Your vassals only get an opinion malus for tribal organization if they're unreformed. Although raising tribal organization is typically done with an eye towards feudalism, it's also helpful in this respect: if tribal organization is too high, your vassals do not provide levies, but join you as allies, with all of their forces (assuming good loyalty). This avoids the "raised levies too long" penalty.

[@lukepickett4866]

I will give it a go!

[@rodrigogarcia3218]

Great video, really informative! Thanks a lot! =D

[@AoEBros]

Awesome! Glad to hear it!

[@erikholgersson9235]

Fantastic! Thanks

[@AoEBros]

Thanks!

[@CherrynatorPC]

Great video, so much explained in such a short time. Thank you

[@AoEBros]

Thank you!

[@uncletimo6059]

Really great video, love this channel.

[@AoEBros]

Thanks!

[@Michael-vo3tk]

the gavelkind discussion, while crammed at the end, was one of the best I've found on youtube

[@simonking9467]

Great informative video, thanks!

[@neonyankun]

The Viking trait is not locked into tribal government, it's culture-locked.

[@AoEBros]

neonyankun good point!

[@grabbers6520]

Great guide thanks for helping me understand. Btw a Jarldom is equivalent to a duchy

[@AoEBros]

Right you are! Thanks for commenting =D

[@ruchipasricha8445]

good job actually

[@uncletimo6059]

but... raise tribal army is only in vanilla, once you have the (necessary) DLC you get retinues. much less gamey.

[@Seagull780]

I was wondering why I couldn't raise tribal armies anymore, now I know

[@uncletimo6059]

@@Seagull780 yer welcome

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

Oh no my friend, retinues are maximum gamey lol. See The Spiffing Brit’s video about unlimited free armies. The unstoppable Viking doomstack is the best lol.

[@Seagull780]

@@prisonerofthehighway1059 The guy who originally discovered it made a better video

[@uncletimo6059]

@@Seagull780 but it doesnt matter WHO discovered it, whose achievement it is? it matters how yu tub promotes vidyas, and who has more numbers watching his drivel... and who makes money off it. this is not just a yu tub thing.

[@justinlabrosse8506]

I had a huge problem of tribal succession playing Ireland if you claim two cheiftems and have 2 sons the titles are split among them even if I grant the title to my son he gains independence automatically because he becomes my equal I have no idea how to keep him as my vassal because shouldn't I still be his liege?

[@AoEBros]

You need one of them to have a superior title ie: one is King, the other Duke etc ... that way the pretender is forced to bend the knee, rather than see the heir as his equal and bounce out. It sounds like you need to destroy one of the chieftan titles, or create the equivalent of an emperor title.

[@justinlabrosse8506]

@@AoEBros ahh that makes sence thanks alot man great video btw.

[@therupoe]

This was great, thanks!

[@meatusbeatus5548]

Wouldn’t it be best to only have 1 heir as gavelkind? Since your kingdom won’t fracture at all.

[@AoEBros]

Ideally, yeah. But, imo that's sort of gamey, certainly doable though. However, just bear in midn the game is all about dynastic survival - too many generations of 1 child could quickly lead to end game =)

[@chinchin2121]

I was playing the sweedish viking dude in eastern europe (guy who starts with 40 free ships), i was king of novgorod and I instaled 2 ofmy sons in thr two duchies of estonia. When I died and my kids inherided my lands, out of no where my two sons in estonia became their own kingdom, even if I only made the kingship title of novgorod. Is this a bug or did I do something wrong?

[@AoEBros]

Sounds like you needed empire title to keep kingdom (king title) of Estonia under your control w the new heir.

[@chinchin2121]

See thats the thing, i didnt have the kingship title for estonia. I reloaded my game, did the exact same thing and it happened again for some reason.

[@uncletimo6059]

@@chinchin2121 click on Estonia kingdom flag-shield (heraldry symbol), see what the succession is.

[@OneJazzyBoye]

@@chinchin2121 There's a possibility that they formed the title themselves if they had enough de jure land

[@vladildikan]

gavelkind will sometimes do that for pretenders if you have enough dejure land that they can inherit.

[@regierdityatriadi9821]

quick question , is it possible to maintain tribal empire, let's say covering scandinavia and russian empire?

[@daddyleon]

The Irish work a bit different from this, I've noticed..

[@AoEBros]

I think bc they're tribal, with hints of feudal (bishop type holdings, which = catholic)

[@aleyan97]

Hi. Very helpfull tutorials even for veteran players. I was wondering if you could somehow upload me somewhere the ck2plus mod?;:))

[@ruchipasricha8445]

i play which game long time but which video help lot

[@AoEBros]

Ruchi Pasricha Awesome! Great to hear!

[@donbemont7901]

Title says "CK2 Plus" but it is not clear to me whether you are using that mod.

[@AoEBros]

Don Bemont Hey bud! Yes, these tutorials were made while running CK2+. Although it's an overhaul mod, the various changes are not altogether obvious because it maintains the original flavor of the game. But, there are so many changes, it's effectively an overhaul. I never play without it.

[@maurinarobinson3627]

How come I can’t raid???

[@AoEBros]

1) Tribal government 2) Raise Army 3) Click the circular icon to alter your army from war stance to raiding stance. This is found when you click your army where you can see the three flanks of your army. Above the cavalry slightly to right is the icon to adjust army from war stance to raiding. I hope this helps!

[@TheGesox]

I really should have watched this video before started my first game . If i had known this i would not have spend all my prestige and money on upgrading my tribal settlement´s. if i simply had made the Irish kingdom title then i had not to deal with the mess i now have to since my first leader died but it´s fun i´m mostly a lerning bu doing guy :). But a question about reformation of the norse faith so if an AI reforms the norse faith i also can change the succession law or is the reformed norse faith seperate from the unreformed one ? i don´t want to go back to catholic faith as i now have managed to change half of Ireland to the norse faith till my first king died. Thanks for any help

[@AoEBros]

TheGesox Hey bud, thanks for commenting! I hear ya on blundering around in this game. I tend to blunder early and often haha! But, it's what makes the game fun and challenging, so I don't mind. I'm not totally tracking on your question, but let me take a stab at answering it: if an AI nation reforms the Norse faith, all Norse followers are subject to that reformation. The advantage for you reforming it before AI is that usually you're the one who controls the key religious centers, so you'll curry most of the favor from the religious sect. Also, reformation has major implications. If you control the religious centers necessary to reform the faith, at least you get to dictate when that happens. In other words, you structure your empire beforehand, so that you're prepared before you trigger reformation. I would say for the Norse, AI doesn't often trigger it. So you're more likely to be the one who triggers Norse reformation. Other pagan faiths, perhaps it's more likely for the AI to trigger.

[@TheGesox]

Sorry english is not my main language. "But, it's what makes the game fun and challenging" yeah that´s because I fell in love with this game really hard and really fast. The possibilitys to generate chaos is gigantic and especially if you do not know what you are doing like myself. I have the game since 2 weeks now and never played a grand strategy from Paradox before and i think probbably started with the hardest system (Tribal/Vikings/gavelkind)in the game XD You got the questions right but sad to hear the AI most likely did not reform the norse faith so i have to do it myself in some way or change my faith to get rid of gavelkind and get the succession law i desired or simply play with gavelkind. I managed to ducktape my Kingdom together after a hard civil war and now made the Irish Kingdom Title. if I understand gavelkind correctly and i keep the highest title the King in my case and give every son i have a temple or an earldom then my Kingdom should not fly apart again if the chief dies. My mistake was i not even made a duchy. i gave every of my sons a county an keep 3 or 4 countys for myself then my King dies and all countys i kept myself are split between my son´s and all declared independence and Ireland looks like the same as i started to unite it... Crazy Complex Game it is :) Î hope finally i can get enough men together to raid that Pope state and burn down their monasteries. Hopefully there some nice artefacts to find.

[@TheGesox]

9:59 what you mean with skirmish face ? can i change somewhere how my troops are fighting or did you mean hit and run like raid and if an enemy army comes ran to the ships

[@AoEBros]

TheGesox Gavelkind can be fun once you understand the mechanics. A lot of players don’t like because it adds an additional layer of challenge to the game. But, gavelkind is the perfect system for a player who wants to wage war all the time!

[@AoEBros]

TheGesox “Skirmish phase” it’s the first part of three phases that occurs in every CK2 battle. Skirmish phase are your light infantry, light cavalry, and archers. So, if you have a ton of archers, you want to try and win the battle in skirmish. I think each phase lasts a few days. Second phase is melee, where heavy infantry and such reign supreme. Third phase is pursuit, where your cavalry can really inflict damage. Ever fight a battle you won but the enemy suffered almost no casualties? Probably because you did not have any Calvary to pursue them in phase 3. I did two tutorials on battle mechanics you may want to check out.

[@eliassoderlundh2282]

1. Do i just have to reform my religion or do i have to pick a specific doctrine? 2. when i subjugate someone else he becomes my vassal and he hates me. Is there some way to replace him or do i just have to make him like me? 3. When i subjugate many people i get too many vassals. What can i do about it? great video

[@therobber]

i don't have a tribal organization tap, how do i centralize my kingdom than?

[@krrisss23]

How do i change to Feudal?

[@AoEBros]

krrisss23 1) absolute tribal Gov 2) reformed religion; 3) at peace; 4) capital has stone fort (or castle). Also, each vassal will need to have a stone fort/castle before they can adopt feudal. It's a rough transition so plan accordingly! Good luck, my friend

[@krrisss23]

I actually found it out the next day, but thanks for the response mate

[@janpieter862]

demonstrative

[@AoEBros]

Thanks bro

[@derrickpitter8340]

Do these rules apply to vanilla?

[@AoEBros]

Yup!

[@sambryce321]

Nope the only tribes you can play as are orthodox ones so things like the prestige things don't count.

[@AoEBros]

Or what he said haha. However, the mechanics are the same though.

[@blkgardner]

You need DLC to play as a pagan, but I think there are some Christian tribes at the 1066 start date.

[@halocraft3005]

blkgardner African tribes like Abyssinia

[@muhammadasadabbas5479]

I want how to convert my religion and upgrade my tribe to castle

[@NZIGNANTI]

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[@AoEBros]

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[@NZIGNANTI]

Do you have a awfully hot coffee pot? Probably not.

[@AoEBros]

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[@NZIGNANTI]

Lol you got yourself a sub

[@AoEBros]

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[@abrahamlynch2564]

No hablo inglés ¿alguien me traduce? xd.

[@murglan2]

i always hated tribal goverments cuz you cannot get any tax from your vassals if you are tribal. and guess what? with my shit luck i choosed a tribal country and always been very poor didnt get any gold from my vassals broke my head for a long period of time trying to understand why i dont get any gold from them even though i raised the taxes in the low and finally now i know. never gonna play ever again with tribal or any shit kind of country that doesnt get any gold from vassals unless u turn into feudal cuz thats just fucking sucks!

[@WizavPRO]

Tribals have many other benefits instead... in early middle ages it's not all about gold.

[@momspaghettis4527]

That can be fixed by raising an army of raiders and going to steal gold from other people

[@sebastianlindberg3302]

Did the same first but I saw that alot of what you build with tribal is built on Prestige not Gold. So raid alot to get both gold and prestige :)

[@Xfier246]

You should have 1 kid in gavelkind... Why have more to loose land and have fights? Like wtf you mean

[@TheCrippledCreeper]

Do you play ironman? Cause if so you must lose a lot

[@sebastianlindberg3302]

They die so easily in this game so one child is very risky :)

[@ayz4299]

thank you:)