Surprising Opponent Play! What's My Adjustment?

[@CrushlivePoker]

Do you think this a good river value jam? What's your opinion and why?

[@Stockhandle123]

I have no idea because I'm jamming turn

[@danielmeuler2877]

The Hero is an absolute Call Box but if I'm the Villian, I am not Three Barreling on that flop and run out. It probably didn't matter when or for how much the hero raised. I think the Villian knew who he was dealing with. I think Villain was folding on the river to bets and shoves.

[@justinhart7172]

I think being a live exploit low limit cash game marketed guru, you would advocate for a turn raise, UNLESS this villain is in the 5% of player pool that’s polarized from the sb w 5x in range. As played hell yeah he should be raise river in a 3b pot with a backdoor flush in pos facing a half pot bet

[@EllieBanks333]

I thought it was a perfect spot for a min-click. People are addicted to pot odds.

[@stkuj]

What does Hero do if Villain jams river?

[@christianbache4074]

The villains comment about the caller "likes to call" is basically him saying that he thinks the caller is a callingstation, and thus he is betting KK for value 3 streets even on this kind of board.

[@ticenits1926]

Meanwhile caller is shocked as he stations off to hit runner runner

[@sasquatch989]

Lol on what planet are we thinking villain has a 5? Villain was playing this like every other low-stakes player does with a big overpair

[@justinhart7172]

Not every other low stakes player but most yes. So it depends on villain. But for this reason hero Should raise turn

[@spaffron4285]

A5 sooteds make sense

[@mjriemen]

@@spaffron4285I was thinking A5 also… thats about it tho… Honestly, he just has KK-1010 here a bunch, with some sets of 8’s or 9’s…

[@brickcitybeatdown]

​@@spaffron4285suited**

[@harry011984]

​@@justinhart7172why are we raising?

[@patrick_kyker]

Villain bets every street he's ahead gets out drawn on BET folds. GTO

[@jeffv3296]

Exactly. Dude calls a raise with 10 high pre-flop, ends up catching a favorable board-and somehow the villain overplayed the second best starting hand in poker? lol. The villain played the hand correctly and got unlucky and the hero misplayed his hand preflop and just ended up getting lucky.

[@truth1013]

​@@jeffv3296the hero in this hand doesn't even know how bad he play, ask him he'll tell you he's a good poker player when he's terrible

[@DanielRepasky]

@@jeffv3296 9:28 - "I agree with you that an over pair probably should not be betting here [on the turn]." Played correctly, you say?

[@benjaminlopez9662]

Villain is goated compared to hero. Villain’s problem is his ego to teach our hero how he is correctly exploiting him. As if to say, “I lost the hand but I played it perfectly. You won the hand but I will win the war.” Villain should just fold and try to get post-hand info to validate his river bet fold. Leave the ego at home

[@pot_kivach160]

_again, I'll go as the hand develops as presented by video_ PF: $20 raise is ok regarding position. Calling 3!bet against OOP and solid player is out of line. I'd folded and never look back. BTN goes gambling...means: he goes against huge odds. FLOP: It's a fold. Unless: 1) he has hand reading that says: SB has A high hand. (this was not the case). Funny that 2) BTN believes that he can bluff him off high pairs (AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT). (Regarding SB profile, this is not the case either). So: flop is 100% fold (BTN cannot win at showdown, nor bluffing). TURN: it's a call. 3:1 with 24% equity plus implied odds is clear a call to me. RIVER: just a call. BTN might run into a stronger flush, plus raising would've compelled SB to fold. SO: raising is no win/lose situation. . _(will reply to this post after the hand reveal)_

[@pot_kivach160]

SB snap folded pocket KK!! No wonder.

[@brickcitybeatdown]

Zzzzzzzzzzz

[@PurpleLions]

Villian doesn’t think you’re capable of bluffing so he’d rather go thin for value and if he gets any resistance then he just folds knowing he is beat.

[@bbtb05]

I will say this, whether or not the villain is correct that tripling KK against this guy is a correct adjustment, snap folding it face up is a pure ego meltdown. No amount of good play is going to be enough to overcome that emotional leak.

[@joshuakennedy8094]

You quite casually brushed over the fact that the villain was 100% correct. Anytime someone snap folds a premium hand to your bet when you hit what should be a super hidden hand, you have major problems to deal with.

[@jeffv3296]

@@joshuakennedy8094 yup. The villian snap folding shows that he had an idea what the hero has. Just listening to the hero here--it’s pretty clear that the hero didn’t put the villain on pocket kings. The villain was also the favorite to win every step of the way except for after the river.

[@bluedog424]

​@@joshuakennedy8094Interesting and insightful comment.

[@MichaelTilton]

At the river, it is a call or jam evaluation. Jam if you think you can get value from worse. I'm not sure that is the case generally speaking here. I love that Hero gets additional information after the fold. Information = Exploitation.

[@atfti]

Hero's backdoor flush was lucky. Villain was ahead the whole way until the river.

[@justinhart7172]

Thnx

[@matthewdixon6252]

Villain had him read perfectly as a calling station

[@ticenits1926]

" interesting thought process" by the guy with ten high

[@wompwomp7177]

Dude you really felt like taking the time to comment this?

[@atfti]

@@wompwomp7177 No. It was an accident.

[@whimsical_ninja]

This is another 9.5 hand! Preflop is obviously a bit loose but if SB knows caller is v wide and 3bets accordingly then for a 3.5x 3bet I suppose it's just about OK. Very very interesting flop and turn action and very easy to get lost on false paths in this maze. I agree that there is some merit to raising flop with backdoor potential although Bart's comments about range/nut advantage are very relevant and calling is fine. Turn is another inflection point - again raising is tempting but this would be to get an opponent off an overpair and overpairs aren't betting this turn much (OK, reveal, whatever) so while raising looks like a pretty option (and getting higher diamond draws to fold would be a good result) calling here again feels best. River to me is a clear call - a set might go thin for 3 streets but isn't calling a jam.

[@bploan8464]

Great hand and great discussion from both of you

[@drfunkinstein1]

I'd jam the turn. Get it in with a straight flush draw. As played I'd just call the river. Now it looks like villain has a higher flush.

[@johnnyboychess]

On 1/3 Kings is an easy triple barrel here. Most players will let you know when the re-raise if they’re two pair plus. But half pot bets will get called by any naked 8 at most tables. Hell, even third pair will look you up every once in awhile.

[@jbbruno8115]

All due respect, I think this is a case of results-oriented analysis. The call pre-flop of $50 with 10-6 suited actually confirms the villains analysis that you are a CS. IF I could get you to give me $50 every hand with a hand as weak as yours, I’d gladly take it for the few times you sucked out. Terrible play pre-flop that gets rewarded and we’re talking about ‘hero’ as if he did something right. Sorry, not buying it.

[@Connor-ok2fo]

He had pot odds. Plus my wide range scary when your Ak bricks a lot I’m in position

[@joshuakennedy8094]

80% of Bart's callers are live poker fish fulfilling the same Crush Live recipe: 1. Play lowest stakes live poker available and make massive mistakes on every street. 2. Call in and have ultra convoluted conversation about the hand, completely overlooking or outright ignoring the most obvious and basic play styles of low stakes live poker. 3. Get super lucky (runner - unner flush is 4%, fyi) and then STILL suspect the possibility of being beat, but say fuck it and yeet it in there anyway, only to have villain disrespect you with an snap fold face up of a premium hand. 4. Fail to reverse engineer the hand with the luxury of hindsight and acknowledge that villain was actually the shark in the hand, and shit on you on every street. 5. Rinse and repeat. Also.... who the hell thinks villain is possibly packing a 5 here? A5 suited? Are you guys on drugs? If youre 3 or 4 bet bluffing at $2/$5 live games in order to balance your 3 bet range against an opponents range of Pocket 10's + and AK suited, youare going to get BUTT FUCKED at $2/$5 because they arent going to fold. Theres so much overthinking going on in these videos every time i listen to them. Lol

[@jim2win2]

The dismissal of big pocket pairs playing as played annoyed me too. it’s LIVE POKER. You see people barrelling off with these holdings when it’s kinda questionable every single session. And it’s not even questionable in this spot! He thought he’d get called off by top pairs and raised by only stuff that beats him, and he was 100% correct.

[@jim2win2]

Villain could feasibly get caught out by someone being congruent of the fact that high value doesn’t really make up a huge portion of his range by the river, and just blast off with most holdings, but that might be asking too much of these callers lmao.

[@101TDA]

I feel like no3 is kinda invalid, the 3bet is definately way too loose, but once we call the lines kinda standard, esp the turn card which improve 107 from 25% to 42%! equity on the turn, forget about the flush draw, we still have two-pair, trips and the gutter that came in, you just cannot fold that kind of equity especially if you put small blinds range having close to no two-pair or straights. and villian is way overestimating how ranges work, Yes 107s is a massive loose call, but on 87642 BU can have all the 87 76 straights and sets which KK is not doing great against.

[@EfficientRVer]

I don't think it's as close as Bart thinks. It's a river call. Time to be thankful you turned a straight flush gutshot, and then caught the runner flush, in a hand you didn't even belong in. Shoving is value owning yourself against a real flush, too much of the time that you get called, because you're not getting called by much. Villain's only big mistake was showing, and his only small mistake was snap folding rather than making it appear to have taken some thought. He was dead-nuts on that the way to play against hero is to abuse the crap out of him for value with dominant hands, due to hero's horrifically loose preflop play, PLUS being a calling station. Playing well preflop sets the table for easier decisions post-flop, and a natural flow of chips toward you. I played there for 3 days, exactly 5 years ago. The third day, I'd been planning to attend the Indy 500, but when thunderstorms were forecast, I played another day instead, before driving home to New England. It turned out that the race was run when weather was less severe than the forecast. Just as was true yesterday. On the first day, I was beaten set over set 3 times in my first hour there, yet was only down $400 because all the oversets were almost out of chips. I ended up winning over $1000 that day. The other thing I remember about that first day, was that an older gentleman had forgotten his glasses, and COULD NOT SEE THE BOARD beyond telling an ace from a face card from a number card, maybe high numbers from low numbers, and red from black. He eventually got tired of asking what was on the board, and just called off about 8 or 10 $300 buy-ins. When his wallet was empty, he did a little speech/act saying goodbye to his buddies, that he'd see them tomorrow. Then he said "Oh, wait, I have one chip left" and pulls a $500 chip out of his shirt pocket. He rebought, lost about half of it, and one of his friends says "I thought you were leaving", and he said "yeah, I guess it's about time to." You talk about the need to make adjustments if people think you're a calling station. The correct adjustment is to stop being a calling station. Especially if you know your hand has 6 black cards, but you don't know if you have a flush, in the case of my opponent in Indiana in 2019. One last comment about that casino. I had been staying in a hotel in Corydon, and used the "shortest route" option of the car GPS each morning to drive to the casino. Beautiful very rural back roads, and each of the 3 days there was an old hillbilly couple surprised to see me drive by, as they sat on their front porch. On the first day, they seemed suspicious of seeing an unknown car. On the second and third days, they waved. There, plus Cherokee in NC, have the most hillbilly-ish locations and players I've encountered, and I had a great time playing at both. Would love to play at both of them again.

[@pot_kivach160]

_Villain's only big mistake was showing_ Why's that mistake? . V made more than *"only"* a mistake. #1: Underplaying pocket KK. Too small 3!bet PF against a COMPULSIVE CS that is on BTN! (I'd reraise to $120). #2: not hammering the turn. >Pot size bet was in order. (Rip the guts off a Calling Station!) #3: Betting river (???). What hand is going to call you on this board? I believe he thought to place a block bet(??).

[@thomasrichardson-ev1wp]

10 7 diamonds are 30% or better if they are live in most cases. Also, if the table is paying attention to all your button raises they are going to limp reraise eventually.

[@datsumcrzysht]

So a station playing his natural style wants to know how to adjust???

[@justinhart7172]

I think the river jam was fine .. i was thinking raising turn was a good play cuz low stakes sb 3b are heavy on big pp .. not sure who villain was here so it depends obv

[@jim2win2]

I haven’t done it vs SB but I’ve made a similar move on a 4 liner board OOP vs a 3bet pre. I opened mp so he was supposed to be pretty tight. I raised turn then jammed river with bunk. He folded his aces😅turn raise absolutely works vs tight 3betters.

[@nysguy07]

After the turn I was thinking he had an over pair. Based on Bart’s comments I guess that means he’s a bad player?

[@stevenundisclosed6091]

Weird bluff with kings.

[@mrhumble2937]

Only at flop. I'd have min raised the flop $80 bet. Just feels like it's a bluff bet but he can get ahead with turn and river.

[@mrhumble2937]

Now at turn. Since didn't raise flop I'd just call the $150 bet.

[@mrhumble2937]

River I'm going all in; don't care how strong he looks. Flush over flushes are just rare.

[@jim2win2]

I’ve a friend who likes to barrel off with pockets like villain😂😂 they were talking about how strong it was, but to me it felt fishy asf like SB had no clue how to proceed. jamming that river all day, regardless of holdings.

[@jim2win2]

When u jam you get the added bonus of looking like a maniacal genius if you’re bluffing😂 even tho it’s an intuitive spot.

[@stephenwishburne1034]

I don’t like the way this caller played this hand. Different styles for different players. For me, I don’t like putting all of this money into the pot in hopes that I hit a diamond on the river. And I say that bc I put the villain on QQ but he could easily have had a pair with a bigger flush. If we aren’t being results oriented, I would rather take better lines than what this caller took.

[@jgod9788]

easy shove on river! SB tripple barrel oop you would expect two pair or sets most likely, overpairs usually would either check turn or check river. turns out villain is KK, shows that he is a fish

[@pot_kivach160]

_...you would expect two pair ... most likely..._

[@bluedog424]

How is villain a fish? He played every street perfectly.

[@jgod9788]

@@bluedog424 u are saying KK barrelling on 8746 board oop is a perfect play? KK is 100% check here

[@stevenalper3890]

villain could most definitely have 5d4d which doesn't get mentioned.

[@stkuj]

Hero Station! LOL

[@mitchellcongrove3413]

I must be a fish because I’m auto-jamming 😞

[@FuzzypupPoker]

I'd min-raise or just call but not shove. This player seems like a rec. He sees other recs shoving all day with strong hands. He is more likely to fold to a shove but call a min-raise. If he folds to a min-raise then you know you can bluff min-raise the river next time.

[@youtubelife9248]

Match half the stack? Lol so if someone has 2000 you can only buy in the 1k max. Lol

[@goonyxo646]

I think river is a call, can’t think of any hands in a sb 3bet range that would call an all in that didn’t have the hero’s hand beat

[@FernandoTamblayMoenne]

Any set

[@jim2win2]

Basically only legit hand is 9 10, but people like to spurg sometimes. SB doesn’t really have that many flushes so you can make a case for it imo.

[@FernandoTamblayMoenne]

@@jim2win2 he arrives there with a5s too

[@ticenits1926]

What bluffs does Hiro have though?

[@goonyxo646]

@@ticenits1926 hero has 0 bluffs the way that hand was played.

[@49ersfan21]

I think the villian may be right man idk

[@ramsay2113]

Easy fold pre

[@DallasDelRio]

If I raise flop, I continue on the turn, setting up for a less than 1 SPR value jam on the river. If I call flop, I min click to 300 to set up the jam on the river with $850 effective and $900 in the pot.

[@justinhart7172]

Why not ship the turn if your going to click the turn ?

[@DallasDelRio]

@@justinhart7172 get his overpairs to call

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

Aren’t you trying to get folds on the turn? Why min-click?

[@DallasDelRio]

@@JohnSmith-nx7zjif you’re semi bluffing you want a call on the turn and a fold on the river. Whether or not we hit our outs a single overpair shouldn’t be able to hold on on this board. We have all the sets, two pair, and straights when we make that action. Unless the board pairs or villain rivers a set, we have full reign to just barrel off

[@pot_kivach160]

so: you already know on flop what cards are going to hit the board on 2 consecutive streets?? (remember: calling flop here is a lunatic play! If you disagree on this one, then we have no ground to discuss the hand any further).

[@dennisdupuis1567]

What’s to discuss? It’s a call

[@cj7139]

What's a call?

[@pot_kivach160]

@@cj7139 phone call!

[@bobbywhite1645]

Despite the luck on display in this hand you still shouldn't open call 10/7 pre

[@justinhart7172]

Why not. You don’t even consider eff stacks when you make that statement

[@jbbruno8115]

Exactly