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[@CrushlivePoker]

This is a great example of when you should take your time in game and try to work out the combos of what beats you vs what you can beat. There were more combos of hands we can beat so not getting all the money in is leaving 200bb on the table.

[@yoniker83]

11:44 Why are we assuming he's doing that with only one of the combos of 77? I don't get it. We assume somehow that with 2/3 combos of 77 he only calls vs a check raise?! Why?

[@jambojack]

He might bet the flop, or he might raise the turn.

[@yoniker83]

@@jambojack ok, same argument can be applied for the one combo of A7hh. That wasn’t done-why?

[@Glitch47278]

Eh I think this is pretty results oriented, I don’t think 77 or 55 are doing this all that often and A2hh might not 3b river either. This is disproportionately A7 imo, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a river 3b not be the stone cold nuts in person.

[@johnf1772]

@@yoniker83 It was, to a degree. First, it's only one combo...and second, because it's the nuts. So will play flop/turn differently from 77 at least some part of the time. The question isn't what A7hh does on the river, but if it actually gets to the river this way. A7 probably leads or c/r's the turn to build the pot, but not always. If I'm hero here, I'm about 80-90% certain villain does not have A7, but if I'm counting combos that beat me, calling it 1 or prorating it to 0.2 amount to the same thing in the equation. If I find 1 that I beat that will call, I'm feeling good...if I find 2 it's a no brainer. A2hh calls you for certain, and certainly gets to the river this way - that alone should be enough to jam....but if you think A7hh never raises flop or turn, then you need to decide that 77 might call you and could get to the river here some times. I found my two+ combos to make the jam unquestionably certain.

[@Fred-rg5vw]

Lol. Instant jam on river . The hero is ridiculously tight.

[@ticenits1926]

What he failed to recognize is despite the fact that he's repping the nuts, he has to consider what the nuts look like to his opponent. From his opponents POV all manner of trip aces might take this line.

[@kevinnix32]

Agreed. Instant jam. He's worried they guy will fold? So what! He wins the same amount if he calls or the villain folds.

[@gmatsue84]

@@kevinnix32 A7?

[@Fred-rg5vw]

@kevinnix32 I think he was worried about the 1 possible hand that could beat him.. Ie extremely tight

[@Young-ep8ik]

Caller obviously is a fun player. Loss of value like this gives me nightmare more than anything. It's like you won the lottery but missed the deadline to collect the prize money.

[@danielmeuler2877]

Hero gave the villain 660$ at the end. that's how I see it.

[@uv6821]

I had a hand last weekend where I lost value. Been thinking about it since. Would rather get my aces cracked

[@mrhumble2937]

Nah

[@YourPalJamieEllis]

Good reminder that the same way you sometimes get walked into crying calls, your opponents can be too and the value from such calls should be accounted for. Your opponents are not perfect fold machines, they are using heuristics just like you are. Re-raising all in here would almost certainly have given Villain a sinking feeling in their gut knowing that it's slim to none that you're still here with AK or a flush but just being completely locked in for the price (and probably wishing they had jammed already). I'm not saying anything new that Bart and the comments haven't already, ultimately I feel for the Hero having punted away some value at the end here on what was a pretty sick gift of a hand.

[@YoshiBugatti]

Congrats on 100K Bart! 💚

[@karlinchina]

I've seen people raise to 1200 or so and then fold for the additional 800 because they know it's never a bluff and it's some kind of Aces full.

[@losyart]

Yeah strong and disciplined players are able to make it indeed.

[@pugsnhogz]

​@losyart back when I played for money, whether I was winning or losing often came down to how well I was exercising discipline in these spots

[@richboyprado]

Poker is sick! What a hand!

[@yoniker83]

11:44 Why are we assuming he's doing that with only one of the combos of 77? I don't get it. We assume somehow that with 2/3 combos of 77 he only calls vs a check raise?! Why?

[@benjamintaylor8665]

scary af. im all in alll day eveeyday. overanalyzing. 2 hands beat you. how you would feel if you loss, would shrug it off as a cooler. how you feel by being a nit bit*h calling bart. terrible

[@3h4bMusic]

😂😂😂

[@ewallt]

What about an overbet on the river? The idea is it might look bluffy, and the other is maybe he got a flush, but it’s more the former, as it seems like an overbet might not look strong but weak.

[@Rubiez]

i wish you guys went "april fools, he def jammed on the river"

[@jimmymason6893]

Been to Mad River several times. Bring your roll for sure. Money flying......

[@charlesnewborn3760]

Id be so annoyed as villian thinking im scooping, only to find out im getting nit rolled.

[@brianchassee]

not a nit roll

[@OneEyedJack01]

The only person villain should be annoyed at is himself. In this river dynamic there are zero bluffs when he makes it 1200. There isn't a hand worse than A2 that is calling unless he thinks Hero plays like a 1/2 rec. Villain just lit 1100 on fire.

[@nathanmills3539]

Personally, I'd be psyched I didn't get stacked

[@charlesnewborn3760]

@@nathanmills3539 no thats different. If Hero Jams, then you know its probable you're beat and getting stacked if you call. When Hero just calls, you assume you're probably winning.

[@vickyp-xm1zo]

To be fair, Bart is almost contradicting himself. He is totally on board with 4b jamming the A5s and would not 3b A2s in villain’s shoes. That doesn’t make much sense.

[@pot_kivach160]

what's the point checking the flop?

[@michaelphan6228]

Why is nobody talking about how 77 almost always bets flop or raises turn unblocking the Ax it gets value from? I still think it's a jam considering A7 is more likely to bet flop or raise turn than A2 is, and I'm under the assumption A2 doesn't fold river, but the spot seems closer than people think. Still gotta jam though imo.

[@MrTjthorso]

It is definitely close. Because in my experience, the type of player that is unable to fold an inferior house to a jam OTR is also the same player that could show up here with 4s3s. There is also I small chuck of the time where they can show up with even A7o hoping that others catch up to a flush OTR. This is just my experience with the 2/5 player pool I play in.

[@pot_kivach160]

pocket 77 should almost always checked flop multiway.

[@shawnchouinard268]

Mandatory shove. It's not 50/50 do the combinatorics and you'll see it's an easy shove. The bottomline is you either play to breakeven or max value, we play for max value. Shove!!

[@danielmeuler2877]

Half of the People that the Hero "polled" are Scared Money. How does the Hero not jam on the river reraise?? If Villain has 34 spades or Ace 7 hearts, then you tap the table and he gets Paid.. The Hero essentially Gave the Villain 660$.

[@Young-ep8ik]

I wonder if someone should ever turn a hand like AT into a 3bet bluff here, since it blocks a lot of boats and could fold out flushes.

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

I imagine at high level play you’re supposed to start turning some of your trips combos into 3-bet bluffs on the river after you get check-raised.

[@nalanwaters3365]

This is a jam every day. You're boated up, if he has a better boat then say nice hand and move on. That's just poker. No way am I flatting here

[@pot_kivach160]

_if he has a better boat then say nice hand and_ ...AND say: How stupid I played. The only hand that would call my river jam is the one that beats me.

[@skylertaylor7283]

7 isn't extremely reasonable to be in his opponents range

[@bryanjohnson8162]

You say you had to change it because the game played too tight but you have a match the stack game and I have a matched the stack games at my casino and they never play small once the stacks build up???

[@burkhartlaw1]

He’s worried about one combo of A7 on the river? I think this is a very clear jam. What am I missing?

[@danwoods5501]

When you get 3 bet on the river after performing a check raise, it’s not a bluff. At that point, you have to think ‘what hands can make this play that can expect to get called by worse, plus also think ‘if I jam here, can I get called by worse’. Given the action I would discount 34ss because chasing a flush on a paired board on the turn is a bad play in the long run assuming the villain is a good player, plus playing 34ss in that situation is a bit ambitious. Therefore, the only realistic hand that beats you is A7. One hand your opponent can have that can make this play and can call a shove is A2. 77 or 55 can also possibly make the raise but wouldn’t call a shove. Given that there are more hands that can raise that you can beat than ones you can beat, and the fact there IS one that can call your shove, the right play is to shove. If you’re beat that’s poker.

[@Dexerion]

I'd say A7 is less likely given the turn action. A2 makes a ton more sense. 77 or 55 could also do this. Bart said it perfectly right before the reveal.

[@pot_kivach160]

the only hand that calls 4-bet is A2. While other two nutted ones beat you. So: 2:1 for NOT 4-bet river.

[@mikekdawgman1]

why does the bellagio poker room smell like a toxic waste dump of farts?

[@Dexerion]

You have to hate losing value to move up. When you have a cooler on someone gotta get the max.

[@dcdaychem]

I'm still not sold with 77 calling a 4 bet jam here. If the only hands that are calling are aces full, and some percent of the time A2 folds, wouldn't a jam be -EV?

[@fedea82]

That's a big, biiiiig IF Live players don't fold full houses.

[@sneakkyz3696]

No. Not even close. This is a jam

[@Badbentham]

Yeah; a 4-bet shove by Hero looks indeed insanely strong, and I wonder whether I personally would really consider calling with anything worse than A5. - Against a well-known fish, one can at least try to get some value, though. 🙃

[@88mphDrBrown]

Thinking 77 folds 100% is insane.

[@stevesteve788]

Zebo theorem is a theorem for a reason

[@Grant112988]

If villain has a better boat or 34ss, I just get stacked here. ZERO chance I'm doing anything but jamming that river.

[@stevenundisclosed6091]

This is just a river jam. Edit: after I heard the hero just called on the river, I am sending my people to find him and send him an invite to my home game.

[@joshuakennedy8094]

Shouldn't be hard to find him since he seems like the kind of guy who limps around everywhere he goes

[@dalewike856]

Yeah, so you can just beat him out of thousands and thousands...lol......grow up.

[@blaqshiep4920]

The ace of splaaaades

[@bryanjohnson8162]

King Queen of spades I think is what the villain has that would play this way on the river

[@superfreeeeeak]

wouldn´t many people even raise their backdoorflush, on aa752, also considerin the checked flop. their loosing to basicly to a7 a5 a2 77 55. i ´think the river would be a standard raise (fold), especially with like a good flush, king of queen high, don´t you think?

[@superfreeeeeak]

ah you say that at the end...

[@patrick_kyker]

Such a hard spot with the 2nd nuts. YOLO ship it. damn ppl.

[@paulgibbons-keynotespeaker]

they really shouldnt have raises on this board should they? I mean we are the opener - we have AQ AK AJ way more, if I bet and got raised, I might just 3b it to teach them a lesson - and if they all have pairs they have 8 combined outs - so worth betting like 25 bucks on flop to clean up equity imo

[@NewEnglandFish]

Unless the villain is really bad I can't see 77 OR 55 playing like this. 77 should consider betting the flop because you're unblocking all the Ax and at MINIMUM raising the turn when you're that deep since it wants to get money in. At that point you lose to A7hh, chop with A5hh, and beat A2hh. The question becomes, does A2hh call a shove. Granted it probably should, but at that point what are you beating?

[@mikeh7917]

If I felt MY 'image' was wild, I would expect A2 to call me...and maybe even flushes. Otherwise, I expect tank-folds to a shove.

[@pot_kivach160]

_...chop with A5hh, and beat A2hh_ 77 FH can do these?

[@havenrab]

He must play plo occasionally no hold em player smooth callls here

[@patrick_kyker]

It's ok if you jam river and they make a hero fold.

[@bryanjohnson8162]

So I called thinking he would fold worst boats nobody's folding a boat on that f****** hand😂😂

[@leviwhatever6192]

Why would opening and 3 bet sizings be a little bit smaller when you have an additional 5$ ante? Seems like it should be a little larger.

[@brianbrennan9855]

They meant in regards to 5-5 +$5 being an ante as opposed to a standard 5-10, so it's not additional and keeps the starting pot the same, just makes the limps $5 instead of $10

[@RonZucker]

It means that a pot sized raise preflop is 35 if it's 5-10 (3.5 BB), but 25 if the structure is 5-5 with a 5 ante. Live, 3.5X open is a thing at least by some players, so they like the smaller price to see flops, which they love to do. And because they often compound mistakes on later streets, we welcome them at our tables. 😂 If the fish want 5-5-5 instead of 5-10, then that's the game!

[@bumpasaurus487]

Comparing 5-5 with dead 5 vs 5-10. A 20 raise is 3-1 for BB vs 2-1 if they play 5-10, therefore people size up raises and reraises to make it less likely callers and bb call for good pot odds.

[@TheMightyDoon]

Villain must be wondering how hero could've had an Ace, when villain was clearly blocking them. Blockers. LOL. Too funny.

[@pot_kivach160]

yeahhh...famous "Blocker theory".

[@MichaelTilton]

Shove is the logical option. If they have A7 or 43 spades they get my money.

[@JoeDubs432]

A2hh???

[@bumpasaurus487]

Exactly my question, why wasn’t the suits asked? Part of the analysis was assuming not suited aces aren’t involved, which is why only one combo of A2 was considered, same with A7. Im always a bit skeptical that he rules out all non suited versions of hands in various analyses, and I’m very curious to know if it was a correct assumption here.

[@Nick-fc9xy]

Wow, not raising river is insane.

[@coreyfranco7060]

Here we go again contradictions...

[@pot_kivach160]

exactly!

[@TheNietzschian]

What does 5-5 big blind ante mean vs a 5/10

[@reezellthia]

The raise size doesnt need to start at 20, it can start at 10 (double the blind), even though the pot itself is the same amount. Limps are cheaper too etc. It encourages looser play

[@TheNietzschian]

@@reezellthia I see thank you

[@paulpena5040]

How could you not jam that river cmon. Even pocket 5s is likely to call. Hero should buy my new book "Monsters under the bed. They're ALWAYS THERE!"

[@WesBundy82]

Jam 100.. ridiculous.. its not even close..

[@jsh0822]

50 50 from who? Nitville? Its not close

[@airjawcruz]

no one is folding a full house in live poker lol. Need to jam here

[@ticenits1926]

Zeebos theorem, nobody folds a boat

[@Wholeyhuman]

Scared money

[@RR-ns1sz]

What a nit

[@parmanduke]

Paralysis by analysis. Over-analysis. No brainer jam. Omg…… Trying to be like Daniel N.

[@fl4650]

Easy jam…

[@JTmakesfunofdiabled-hs9kh]

What Bart is failing yo realize here, and its prett shocking that he did miss it, is that there is no way 77 plays like this. Ever. Checks turn unblocking all A x ? Lmao. Ok. Only makes sense if he check raised.. 77 is going to flop a boat and only get in $45 by the river 😂😂😂😂

[@NewEnglandFish]

exactly my thoughts. 77 should never be checking through like this unblocking Ax

[@pot_kivach160]

@@NewEnglandFish

[@pot_kivach160]

Bart never checked turn. I did not. Neither did CO. Did you check turn?

[@JTmakesfunofdiabled-hs9kh]

@@pot_kivach160 hahahahahaha what?

[@pot_kivach160]

@@JTmakesfunofdiabled-hs9kh _Checks turn unblocking all A x ?_ In your post above.

[@SketchyPoker]

What a nit lmaoooo

[@jgod9788]

i think in a four way pot A7o is still possible because not everyone follows GTO preflop ranges, if we include combos of A7o, just calling seems fine for me.

[@ChrisM-wv4gs]

lots of shit is possible but basing your decision on a single combo is just silly

[@benjamintaylor8665]

so what. if he has it he has it. all in

[@jgod9788]

@@benjamintaylor8665 yea that’s why i think allin or call are both fine

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

If he can have A7o can he have A2o? They’re both pretty trash hands to call with from the CO vs an open.

[@pot_kivach160]

sure, A7o is possible. Also, 34s is also possible, just as much as A2/A7. However, fish do not want to talk about that.

[@C-Gan1970]

A2h

[@Stoicmind89]

This player has some serious messed up logic. Might be the dumbest call I’ve ever heard of. The half of the people he asked that agreed with him calling, are very bad players like himself. I honestly don’t believe him though. He’s just saying that to make himself feel better about that horrible play.

[@anonguy6453]

Obvious jam

[@WokeSteve]

Isn't it just $5 $10?

[@jameswalker7420]

No, you can limp in for $5 in this case. And if you raise to $20 for example, the big blind has to call 15 more (as opposed to 10 more in a 5/10 game)

[@burqueninja5056]

I hope Darren’s wife isn’t named Karen !

[@a_canal]

Nitty only lose to one combo of A7

[@MyComedyStore]

This is a 100% jam on the river.

[@SOLLisKNOWN]

Lol

[@8532556]

you should be upset about this

[@thaThRONe]

This is terrible value lost. There's only two combos of hands that beat you one the callers even said he doesn't put the villain on ever that would reraise a x/r on the river. 5's, 7's, 2's and A2 all for sure would and you have them all beat. Then there's the K high flush that may. If they guy has A7 than you pay him off(or even if guy is capable of getting there with 34 spades). Other than that you leave value not raising.

[@joshuakennedy8094]

Scared money don't make money BUSTA

[@el.and04]

I mean this is ridiculous, if you think your opponent isn't playing 43 you're losing to 1 combo, to make your jam unprofitable he'd have to be folding A2 getting like 5:1. Yeah right

[@Glitch47278]

It’s essentially beating 1 combo and losing to 1 combo tho

[@el.and04]

If he’s only calling A2 yeah, but I don’t see anyone folding 77 or even 55 either

[@pot_kivach160]

_if you think your opponent isn't playing 43 you're losing to 1 combo_ ... and if you think he isn't playing A7 then you cannot lose at all!

[@Glitch47278]

@@el.and04 I can’t see anyone 3b river with 77 or 55 honestly

[@michaelstephens9852]

You lost so much value.

[@WesBundy82]

The caller said 50-50 call- raise.. lmao.. 😅 losing to 1 hand.. 😮😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅

[@OneEyedJack01]

At a 1-2 table of recs, sure, but this isn't that. River 3 bets are super nutted. You have to think very little of your villain to snap value shove without thinking it through.

[@jameswalker7420]

Yes you may only be losing to 1 hand (it's actually 2) but in some cases that's the only hand villain makes this play with. I'm a PLO player so my instinct is that this can only be a call (in Omaha it's either a call or even a fold).

[@WesBundy82]

@jameswalker7420 in PLO yes.. But in hold em.. You'd be losing value way too often not jamming ..

[@pot_kivach160]

@@jameswalker7420 it's a call in NLH too. It's, just fish could not realize that. 4-betting river with a 3rd nutted hand is not profitable on the long run. This, b/c you have to assume that a 4th nutted or worse hand would call your 4bet jam!

[@SuicidelG]

I'm at 12:26 so I don't know the ending yet, but I would also say he's losing to 3 combos of A7 not just A7h. My initial thoguh was they definitely had A2s, which turned out to be right... though he didn't specificy if it waas suitted.

[@OneEyedJack01]

Hero said he was a solid player. Solid players don't play A7o in that spot. That only leaves A7h.

[@SuicidelG]

@@OneEyedJack01I mean.... he cold flatted A2s, how solid can he be

[@benjamintaylor8665]

there is only 1 ace left bruh..1 combo this is not Uno so colors of the 7 dont matter

[@J_C95]

@@benjamintaylor8665 3 different 7 and Ah = 3 combos, am I misunderstanding you or do you not get combinatorics