Folding Pocket Aces in a 4 bet Pot?

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@The_Life_Shoequatic 10 ай бұрын

I have tremendous respect for the caller sharing this hand. He knew it was probably the wrong turn play but wasn't afraid to share the hand anyway.

@supersmoo7377 10 ай бұрын

In my opinion, he didn’t realize the fold on the turn was bad until Bart said it.

@davidsilverberg5077 10 ай бұрын

Love Bart’s face when he hears that the hero folded 😂

@Nikkithedog-t6b 10 ай бұрын

That's because he already knew the villains hand wasn't revealed.

@pokerboy72 10 ай бұрын

The face i make when i go all in with As just to realize its was A4o

@timmyp34 10 ай бұрын

I agree, that's a bad fold there.

@jaketaylor3129 10 ай бұрын

Omg that face!!!

@lisaluckman 10 ай бұрын

😂😂thank you yeah Wow hahaha🎉

@YourPalJamieEllis 10 ай бұрын

Big props to the guy calling it in when he knew he had quite possibly torched a ton of value. Takes guts to talk about the lead up to an expensive misplay for twenty minutes.

@Seytom 2 ай бұрын

Bart is so polite and considerate, I absolutely love when someone makes a wild play. You can see it starts out in his head as "Are you f*cking insane, what's wrong with you?" and it comes out "Wow, really?"

@JorgeTorres-tx3rq 10 ай бұрын

The blank turn even brought in his back door boat out, lol.

@drfunkinstein1 10 ай бұрын

That $5/10 game at Mohegan can be rough. It's a bunch of regs waiting for a fish to come donate. Then when the fish leaves the game breaks unless it's a busy weekend there.

@ZakFromOhio 10 ай бұрын

Bart's face of fold is great.

@abody499 10 ай бұрын

Bart's disgust is amazing. Scared money is scared.

@noex100 10 ай бұрын

What makes it worse is this guy actively seeks a 5/10 game (probably pure ego or to "feel" rich even though he's not) and then plays scared when it comes time to actually play poker. He should just play 1/2 or 2/5 and stop pretending to be a pro 😂

@user-ty2wy2hq6o 10 ай бұрын

I had to snap photo on my iPad the part where Bart hears his opponent folded. His face was on point, priceless. I think it was a bad fold as well. I mean what does lose to? AK suited in diamonds, AQ diamonds, AJ diamonds, KQ diamonds, that is about it. I mean it’s hard for opponent have 3s or 4s or Ace-5 suited in a 4 bet pot. 😊 😊

@Nikkithedog-t6b 10 ай бұрын

This missed part of this analysis was that the 25 opener invited the 100 preflop raise as well as the invitation to push the flop and turn. The hero played the hand a ton like AK with A of diamonds so it even opens up villain to play JJd or QQd this way. When you set up the lion to dive into the pit then get so afraid he'll get out that you jump in to the pit with him, you kind of miss the original intent.

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

It's a weird spot. Hero's UTG raise size is somewhat small, but it sounds like that was the "standard" open size in that game at the time. The SB could be playing a 3B or fold strategy with the rec in the BB, so he's going to be 3B'ing with a wider range, allowing hero to 4B a wider range, and V can call a little wider. The stack depth makes 5B'ing a UTG 4B a very risky move, so V could have TT+ and some suited Broadway hands, but I'd think his continue range is going to be pretty tight - TT/JJ, AK/AQs/KQs. Hero's range is about the same, probably QQ+, AK/AQs/KQs. It's hard to see how V could x/r the monotone flop and jam turn without the Ad in his hand, blocking hero's nut flushes. All V's pairs are crushed by hero's flopped flushes, and hero's bigger pairs with a d in them. His jam is only folding out hero's pairs without a d, which is just 9 combos.

@qazzaqstan 10 ай бұрын

@@1vailchris I actually am curious how villain is supposed to play A5hh. It doesn't really effect hero's decision because it is less than 1 combo and villain has far more made flushes and bluffs than that, but it would be an interesting spot for villain.

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

@@qazzaqstan I would think any A5 combo is supposed to fold to UTG's 4B pre. But if V did have A5hh for the straight, that seems like too strong a hand to turn into a bluff by playing it this way. If I'm in V's spot, I'm thinking hero has big over-pairs (QQ+), and some big suited aces in his range, some of which could have flopped the nut flush. I think I'd just be check-calling with a flopped straight, trying to get to showdown, not x/r'ing flop and jamming turn when I'm either way ahead or way behind hero's range.

@qazzaqstan 10 ай бұрын

@@1vailchris thanks that is mostly what I figured. Flop is still interesting because I almost want to x/r with intent to x/c turn and river since it feel like we should try to be getting money in against the over-pairs and calling 3 streets (assuming over-pairs don't simply check back river) hurts. That said given their flushes and amount of equity they have on pairs with a diamond it is burning money if they ever do things like fold black kings (also if QQ isn't in their 4-bet range), even worse if they 3-bet us with AdKx and we are chased off. So yeah I'm now convinced you are right but it kind of sucks.

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

@@qazzaqstan Just thinking about this more...we're V with Ah5h...still seems like we're in a weird spot here. Hero can have over-pairs without a diamond that don't want to play a big pot, over-pairs with a diamond that may be willing to play a big pot, and some nut flushes that would be very happy to get stacks in. Against that sort of range, I think it would be an over-play to x/r flop with a straight, when we're either way ahead or way behind. I think the correct line would be to check-call flop, and also check turn. Hero will check-back on a lot of turns when his over-pairs don't improve, and with all his AK/AQ combos of other suits that just completely missed. With those weaker holdings, hero may just want to get to showdown as cheaply as possible. If the turn goes check-check, we could block-bet the river on a brick. Hero would have most likely continued to value-bet his flopped flushes on the turn, so we can feel pretty good value-betting our straight at the end.

@aaronwalker5549 10 ай бұрын

So in my poker calculator app, having just the ace of diamonds after the flop made you an 8% favorite, really any diamond. Because of the 3 and 4 betting on the flop chances are he has an ace or suited Broadway. With a super connected board and being out of position I feel like he is would only do this with the top of his range, and if he was to do it with a bluff it would be further along into the session. From my understanding the game was really just getting started and people are going to naturally want to feel out the action a little. I don’t think I would have called the flop bet. If anything I would have jammed the flop if I felt my opponent was on a draw, but this jam would only make him fold if he didn’t have the ace or king of diamonds. I think it is one of those tough positions to be in, and I’m glad the caller shared with us.

@stephenwishburne1034 10 ай бұрын

14:30 This is my recent experience over the past 2 years or so. Let’s say villain does have AdKc and checks the flop and you check back with plan to bet or go all in on a non diamond turn card. If a non diamond turn card does come and villain checks again, almost always these days the villain will still call your all in no matter of any stack depth with one card to come hoping for a diamond. I would say 8 out of 10 players do. Poker has changed so much!

@misterputscalls5902 10 ай бұрын

But, that's what you want. Getting your money in with a bunch of equity and villain calling off with a worse hand. This is how you make money in poker, getting the money in with 80% equity(specific to AdKx) will make you a big winner.

@kzkilla808 10 ай бұрын

That face when hero said he folded turn 😅🤣😂

@seongyeollee1323 10 ай бұрын

Easiest call if you are not playing scared money

@Nikkithedog-t6b 10 ай бұрын

The scared money was my first thought. If he had 50 bucks left is there ever a thought to folding?

@DoyleAK 10 ай бұрын

100%. As played it’s just a snap imo

@MrJamberee 10 ай бұрын

Especially after he called the checkrsise on the flop. No folding now.

@Womenandwine 10 ай бұрын

As played yeah. I like a check on the flop And go from there.

@bobby__conroy 10 ай бұрын

range advantage goes to utg but huge nut advantage for sb on 432ddd flop in a 4 bet pot. sb 4 bet calling range is made up largely of suited broadway Aces and has all A5 suited. it’s an auto-check on the flop. as bart said, AAsc trying to realize equity and already has showdown value. can’t play for stacks on this board so a bet is a mistake by utg on this flop. if sb is nutted on board pairing turn (flush/straight) he will be forced to bet, and likely very big. utg has a standard call with boat and chop outs. only drawing dead to A5dd. 9% equity vs any suited diamond broadway. check back on the flop and this hand gets to showdown which should be utg’s goal.

@bobby__conroy 10 ай бұрын

very interesting hand. can learn a lot from this one.

@EllieBanks333 10 ай бұрын

This video made me happy. Not because of caller/hero's poor play. Because my man Bart really tied the streets together. It makes no sense to call the raise on flop & fold turn on a blank. In other news: hero opened too small. I think betting this all diamond flop was questionable. 💋

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

I dunno about not folding the turn after calling flop - the pre-flop action makes me think the ranges here are really narrow. V's flop x/r sizing is less than 3x hero's c-bet, laying hero >3:1 pot odds on a call. That sizing looks like V flopped the nut flush and wants a call, or even better, get hero to 3B. It doesn't look like he's just semi-bluffing. Why would V want to risk hero 3B'ing the flop and blowing him off all his equity? I'd think V would x/r bigger on flop if he was semi-bluffing with AdXx, especially from OOP. He could have made it $1k (4x), and forced hero to decide if he wants to get pot-committed and play for stacks with two cards left to come. If V was bluffing with AdXx, would he x/r small on flop, and then just jam the turn from up front after hero called his flop x/r? His turn jam is laying hero >2:1, incentivizing hero to call a lot. This line, with this bet sizing, doesn't make a ton of sense if V didn't flop the nuts. His open looks small to me, too, but he made it sound like that was the standard open size in the game at the time. V could have been 3B'ing light out of the SB, and calling light, if he thinks hero's 4B range is wider in this configuration, facing a 3B from the SB. I'm not sure how I'd play the flop with hero's specific hand. I could see checking back for pot control. But I think I prefer betting really small, like 1/4 pot. V is going to fold most of his range to a bet of any size on this flop. Betting small puts the onus on V to figure out what his continue range is, and how he plays that range facing a small c-bet from hero. V's going to have to call with all his over-pairs with a diamond, and all his nut-flush AdXx draws, and it'll be harder for him to extract max value with his flopped flushes. If hero bets $150 on flop, and V wants to x/r, he can't go much bigger than 4x, or $600. Hero can call and evaluate on the turn. With $1800 in the pot and $1600 left behind, V can't go too big if he barrels the turn, if he wants hero to continue to the river. Otherwise, he can just jam with AdXx, and put hero to a big decision, getting worse than 2:1 on a call with still one card left to come. Facing that line from V, I think it's an easier call on the turn for hero. By c-betting small on the flop, hero puts all the pressure on V to come up with the optimal strategy for his nut hands, his worse pairs, and his semi-bluffs. If hero just checks back on flop, V is going to be taking the lead on turn a lot. Hero's going to be in a tough place, trying to figure out if he's ahead or behind after giving up the betting lead as the pre-flop 4B'er.

@The_Life_Shoequatic 10 ай бұрын

We are going to have a v high cbet freq IP in a 4b pot. Especially in this super tight configuration. Villain is stripped of many of his wheel combos calling a 4b from SB to a UTG 3x IP 4bet. But, yes, folding to turn shove was a blunder.

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

@@The_Life_Shoequatic If we're c-betting at a higher frequency, wouldn't it be correct to bet a smaller amount, especially on a monotone flop? My point is that folding turn MAY be a blunder, but it's a blunder hero put himself in position to make, by betting as large as he did on the flop. Had he c-bet smaller, it would have forced V to figure out how he's going to play his continue range, and if V decides to x/r flop, his x/r size is going to be smaller, making it harder for V to just jam turn after hero calls the flop x/r. The way this was played, I think V's range is skewed more towards value, less toward bluffs, and so it's not just a snap call. I expect V to have the nuts here a lot, when he takes this line.

@bobby__conroy 10 ай бұрын

@@1vailchrisagree. huge nut advantage for sb. utg be a check back on this board. if c-betting, it’s a small bet, 20% or even 10%.

@EllieBanks333 10 ай бұрын

@@1vailchris I think you & I have been down this road before. Now it obviously depends on configuration, board texture, villain image, & other factors. But I'm not assuming as many "give-ups" after check-raises as you are. And this was a main point of my post here; I think treating streets as totally separate is often a mistake. Bart addressed this in this particular video & that was a big thing I liked about it. This hand was 4 bet pre by the UTG player, I don't buy villain giving up on a blank turn when the raise on a monotone flop says "I flopped a flush and/or have the ace of diamonds". The villain really should not be check-raising even a set on this board texture. I also think the SPR is important here, villain sticking in like 35-40% of his stack as a check-raise on the flop of a 4 bet hand. I don't think this is ever a "stab". And if you don't like my reasons, Bart starts talking about this point at around 16:20 of the video. At any rate, I'm fine with folding on the flop here. Because I just can't really find many bluffs here. I also don't mind Bart's idea of allowing the turn card to further reveal our equity, but the entire idea of that is to continue on a blank. Therefore, the turn fold is the only wrong choice.

@Chemissed-qc1bt 10 ай бұрын

I don't understand flatting the check raise and then folding when board pairing is actually one of the better turn cards, picking up two outs to beat a flopped nut flush. If there was no straight draw I could maybe get behind fold but villian has a tonne of Ax and would suck to get blown off a potential chop Just jam flop if you are that scared of a turn jam (which surely villian would jam a tonne)

@michaelstephens9852 10 ай бұрын

I had this same exact situation the other day in 2-5. The villain i played against hit a set of 2s.

@Dremin2009 10 ай бұрын

Villain called 4 bet from the small blind with 22?

@michaelstephens9852 10 ай бұрын

@Dremin2009 yeah. He was deep when I sat down. Maniac image.

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

I played a similar hand about a year ago. Three ways to the flop in a 3- or 4-bet pot, I flop top set in middle position with 77 on a monotone board of 7-4-2, all spades. Checks to me, I bet 2/3 pot, V1 folds, V2 (the pre-flop 4B'er in the BB) x/r jams on me. He's a friend I've played against a lot, and he's a bit of a maniac. He could have easily had AA/KK/AK with one spade, or he could just be fast-playing the nuts. I called, knowing even if I was beat, I would boat up 40% of the time. Not this time. He had AsKs, and doubled up, crippling my once-huge stack. Calling 3B's and 4B's pre with small and middling pairs, and then blasting off with a flopped set on a monotone board is not advised. Your V with the 2's deserves to get stacked, and no doubt will soon enough.

@hsubox 10 ай бұрын

Yea 5/10 game against regs should be a call, 1/2 that's a good fold lol😂

@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 10 ай бұрын

I'm on the flop right now and I think it's ALWAYS a big c-bet and an allin on the turn if there's no diamond. You get called by pretty everything. Every OP because Hero can have AK and also every Ax calls because they think they have outs. If my opponent has dd in his hand, so be it and good game.

@darkcircle899 10 ай бұрын

I think you are 100% right I don't see how you ever fold here. If they have the flush you have a possible 4 outs most likely 3 considering that the villain is likely holding an ace as well. You stick in the money hope he doesn't show you a flush and if he does you just hope you catch a card to win it.

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

You're assuming V wouldn't x/r the flop if hero c-bet big. In fact, hero's sizing was somewhat large for a monotone flop. If V just has an over-pair, and assuming he didn't x/r flop because hero c-bet bigger, hero could have flopped the nut flush, or at worst, hero probably has a bigger pair. Not every opponent is going to call a jam with just an over-pair after hero 4B pre and c-bets the monotone flop. As played, V 3B pre, called hero's 4B, then x/r'd flop and jammed turn from up front. Hard to see how V could take this line without the Ad in his hand. He's either flopped the nut flush, or he's drawing to it.

@bobby__conroy 10 ай бұрын

@@1vailchrisagree. sb has the nut advantage. utg’s goal should be to keep this pot small on that board. gotta get to showdown with aces in this spot.

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

@@bobby__conroy Yeah. After 4B'ing pre, hero is going to have more combos of over-pairs than flushes in his range. I don't like checking flop, because it sort of screams, "nuts or nothing", and induces V to take an aggressive line that's going to put a lot of pressure on hero's hand. I prefer a really small flop bet, like 1/4 pot, to put the pressure on V, who'll have to figure out what his continue range looks like, and how he plays that range. V is going to have to defend with a lot of his over-pairs and his draws. If V x/r's flop with a flopped flush, hero is going to have to fold a lot of his range, like all his AKs/AQs combos of other suits, so I think it's more likely V would check-call flop, and go for the x/r on the turn. With a smaller pot headed into the turn, hero can either check-back turn or bet and call a reasonable-size x/r, and get to the river without putting his whole stack at risk.

@arte9855 10 ай бұрын

In hindsight the caller didn't throw all his money away, just 40%. Its hard to analyze not getting a feel for the other players demeanor. I would have also called... had he lost it would have been a short session and a longer drive home, but at least he would have the answer.

@qsdailydose8970 10 ай бұрын

He called the flop and got the best possible turn other than an ace of hearts

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

After thinking about this one for 24 hours, I think V most likely had KdQd. It's consistent with all the action in this hand. KQs can 3B-squeeze pre from the SB, and can call a reasonable-sized 4B from the UTG opener, when he's being laid >2:1 on a call. On the flop, KdQd is the second nuts, but blocks hero from having AdKd / AdQd, leaving hero with very few nut flush combos that 4B pre, unless hero is 4B'ing with AJs/ATs/A5s. As played, KdQd should be happy to get stacks in on flop or turn against all of hero's over-pairs, with or without a diamond in them, and isn't too concerned about hero folding AA, when half of the AA combos have a diamond, and are likely to call V's jam, with very few diamonds left to improve hero to the nuts. It makes more sense than V taking this line with a flopped nut flush or a draw to the nuts.

@michaelb4090 10 ай бұрын

Yeah he could have had it but gotta call 😢

@NJRealtorDave 10 ай бұрын

Villain easily has TT or JJ with a diamond here and puts hero on the dry Ace of diamonds (AK/AQ)

@mismag822 10 ай бұрын

17:43 Bart Fart

@jasonw1984 10 ай бұрын

Bart so disgusted with the fold he turned into Robert Deniro

@brianpotter2812 10 ай бұрын

18:10 I think you should make a t-shirt out of this face Bart and sell the merch lmao! "Really?!?!?!" as the caption 🤣🤣

@drewcundari8773 10 ай бұрын

I think its fair to assume villain checks the Kdx if he were ever check raising flop w that and also would check Ad at least some of the time so I don't think its an absolute disaster to fold turn. I think checking back flop here w AA, KK no diamond a decent amount is good too, you just also need to do it with some Ad combos weather its AK or AA to protect yourself on 4 diamond runouts.

@syst3mov3rride 10 ай бұрын

Guy was so on point, calls the raise on the flop and folds the turn when its basicslly a blank...scratching my head....pocket Qs with Q Diamonds?

@bestestname6757 10 ай бұрын

Rough hand, barts right though if u call flop gotta go. Good call.

@jpbccrn 10 ай бұрын

If there was ever a time to get married to Aces, this hand was it.

@christophermanning6146 10 ай бұрын

I'm not entirely sure the villain plays the nut flush this way, maybe 2nd nuts. If I have Axd, I'm betting a bit smaller trying to bring KKd or AxKd along. Not jamming the turn so hard that people are hero folding AA / flush draws. The board did pair but still, it's not that scary. He's drawing to like 10'ish% with an over pair.

@ant4007 10 ай бұрын

Don’t spoil what happens pleasee. Love the channel Bart👍🏼

@AlfieakUK 10 ай бұрын

Barts face when he said i folded :)

@william420adam 10 ай бұрын

We can't discount a worst pair here with a single diamond which is way likely then say an off suit single diamond hand. Jamming flop seems a stretch, best line is once bet flop, call raise and get your pot odds on turn for the call. On flop we should be checking back a decent amount of the time here

@hschuler7892 10 ай бұрын

So sad because he played it legit perfectly before the turn. Good RFI size, size up on the 4b cause deep. 40% on the flop. Smooth call the raise. Chef's kiss. Turn is a punt fold for the ages. Probably a $1000 mistake if not more.

@billtwolabbs3959 10 ай бұрын

either AA or KK with a Diamond

@Kpizzo 8 ай бұрын

My new pet peeve: not knowing what the villain had. Am I even going to sleep tonight

@paulpena5040 4 күн бұрын

I've seen so many 4bet hands play out like this where it's AA vs KKs, KK vs QQs, etc. why in the world would you assume you're beat here? He might even have Kings WITHOUT a diamond.

@generic615 10 ай бұрын

Bart gave him the stank face! 😂😅

@mattfox5933 10 ай бұрын

Does the nut flush really do this ? I can see being against the 89 flush or something like that.

@Glitch47278 10 ай бұрын

Villain can probably have KK or QQ with a diamond just saying f it and going with the hand, protecting equity vs AK with a diamond. Turn even picks up a few full house outs if villain did flop a flush.

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

I was thinking about V's range with the pre-flop action. Hero's UTG raise is a little small, and apparently there's a rec player in the BB, so V in SB has an incentive to 3B wider. There could be some leveling going on, where hero knows V's 3B range is wide, so hero's 4B range can be wide, and V, knowing that, can call the 4B a little wide, and show up here with more made flushes. I was wondering if KK is a 5B pre in this spot. V's flop x/r and turn jam make it seem like he's got the Ad in his hand. I don't think KK or QQ is played this way post-flop if they just flatted the 4B pre.

@qsdailydose8970 10 ай бұрын

Thankyou Bart!

@andyhines5480 7 ай бұрын

I kinda like folding on flop. IDK how this ends.

@arthritisankle 7 ай бұрын

If villain had the flush, hero was one step closer to the full house after the turn!

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

Oof. Tough spot. I think I'd go a bit smaller with the flop bet, like 1/4 pot. Force V to decide how he wants to play his flopped flushes and his bluffs. If V just flats the flop, we can size up on turn. If V x/r's flop, we can see what size V takes on the turn, and possibly have an easier decision with a slightly smaller pot and more left behind.

@brettmasonmedia 10 ай бұрын

At no point in this hand were there any tough spots. Not on any street at any time.

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

@@brettmasonmedia We may need to agree to disagree. Hero put himself in a tough spot by taking a larger sizing with his flop c-bet, setting up this turn jam by V, with no diamond in hero's hand. V either flopped the nut flush, or is drawing to it. With V's smaller x/r sizing (3:1 on a call), and his turn jam after hero calls (now getting >2:1), it looks more like he has it, and less like he doesn't. If hero had c-bet smaller, V's x/r would have been smaller, and there would be more stack depth left behind, making it less likely V would just jam turn. As played, this may be a call with hero's hand, but V's going to show him the nuts here a lot of the time. Even if V doesn't have it on the flop, he's going to make a flush or chop with a straight 20% of the time.

@brettmasonmedia 10 ай бұрын

@@1vailchris you have turned marginal things into mountains man. Villain can have like 3 or 4 flush combos max. And tons of over pairs or hands with one diamond that play this same way. Flop bet sizing be damned.

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

@@brettmasonmedia Like I said, we can agree to disagree. If you think V's playing a ton of over-pairs and hands with 1 diamond this way, and want to snap call with hero's hand, good luck, and I hope you win. The way this was played, I don't think it's a snap call, and in the games I play, I expect V to show me the nuts a lot.

@brettmasonmedia 10 ай бұрын

@@1vailchris by definition they can’t have the nuts a lot. And also what does that even mean “agree to disagree?” We disagree whether anyone agrees to it or not. Nevertheless anyone folding this turn is losing money. Sometimes you are beat. Mostly you are ahead.

@prob_theory1751 10 ай бұрын

KQ, AK, AQ dd are the only value hands here that Villain can have that Hero is losing to. Maybe 5 combos (AJ, A10 dd ) if you want to be generous. Bluffs with the naked Ad (maybe 4 combos) and worse value such as KK or QQ with a diamond. I would call turn and only fold to a diamond river (maybe).

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

We can't fold river on a diamond if we call an all-in jam from V on the turn. This line from V is repping the nut flush, so really just AdXd, given the pre-flop action. Doubtful V is playing a worse pair this way, because all hero's bigger pair combos have him crushed, and half of those have a diamond in them. So V's semi-bluffs all have the Ad in them, like AdKx/AdQx. The way I count them, V has 6 bluff combos of AdKx/AdQx, and 5 value combos (AK/AQ/AJ/AT/A5 of diamonds). As played, with V's smallish x/r sizing on the flop and turn jam after hero calls, it skews V's range more towards value, and less towards bluffs.

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

Actually, after thinking about this one more, I think you were right to put KQ in V's range. The way this was played, KdQd makes more sense than anything else.

@adriancheng8735 10 ай бұрын

Bart - are you sure KK is a flat to 3bet? I thought it was a flat to a 4 bet (not 100% 5!) but always 4 betting.

@royalflush8173 10 ай бұрын

I would of made it 600 when villain raised to 100 pre flop and I would of jammed flop

@richardtalbott2364 10 ай бұрын

The time to fold is on the flop. You have to commit to going the whole way with a safe turn card once you call check raise on the flop. Really bad food.

@Glitch47278 10 ай бұрын

Folding flop is really terrible honestly

@mikko7296 10 ай бұрын

Why they dont think from villains percpective what the hero could have? Isn't it clear that hero wouldnt 4 bet with suited AK?

@Rz_nortz 10 ай бұрын

“It’s just one of those hands…..it’s one of those hands you call in…” lol uh, yeah. 😅

@cial67 10 ай бұрын

Barry Greenstein would have made this a 30 second video saying 3 bet jam the flop because... what is there to think about? 😅

@DTR1LL 16 күн бұрын

4 bet pot folding aces! Hes only losing to AK diamonds 99% of time 😂 so what was the plan after calling a raise on the turn? If he was afraid of a flush then fold the turn simple.

@nolimitpoker 10 ай бұрын

Looking at this hand from the regs point of view. This is a bluff 100% of the time knowing the caller over folding always or he always has it. This is never a bluff against the average rec that only 4 bets Aa kk

@Jealod24 10 ай бұрын

On the flop you should be betting around 60%-70% pot because your opponent has the nut advantage with this specific flop configuration, and any time your bet frequency drops (because anytime your opponent has a range or nut advantage with the flop or turn you wouldn’t be continuation betting with your entire range, so your bet frequency declines) you should increase the amount you bet. Let’s say the flop gave you the clear nut or range advantage, such as broadway cards vs a bb caller, then you should be betting frequently and your amount should be lowered, around 25%-38%. He opposite is true here

@brettmasonmedia 10 ай бұрын

The villain does not have the nut advantage on this flop lol.

@bobby__conroy 10 ай бұрын

agree nut advantage is the with the sb. warrants a check back on this flop. i would say, if utg is to c bet this flop, wager should be 10% - 20% max, which folds out sb air, and helps control pot size should sb x/r. small bet functions similar to a check and only folds out sb air. goal for utg is to get to showdown as cheaply as possible on this flop and turn. on river, if utg boats up, strategy can adjust.

@pot_kivach160 10 ай бұрын

PF Flop Turn

@pot_kivach160 10 ай бұрын

@Click_Profile._for_.more_info. how about you keep that surprise for yourself. Make my day.

@jamescarmichael8969 10 ай бұрын

Did he call last week? "I believe so".... not a great start lol

@paulbuker9596 10 ай бұрын

Call the check raise on that flop, then fold a perfect card for yourself on the turn jam??? No, super nitty

@MrTjthorso 10 ай бұрын

I'll be real. The whole "props to caller" doesn't work for me. It's because 1) You simply CANNOT sit down 250 BB deep at a 5/10 game and play like this. I can promise you that hero's play on this hand translates to other egregious mistakes in the long term. There is no excuse to play a hand like this. If you are ready for these stakes (at least 250 BB deep), any scared play like this should be out of your system. 2) Players who call in these hands almost certainly don't leave with the right takeaway. The "props to hero on calling in this hand" is an auxiliary take. The primary take is that you shouldn't be playing at these stakes with these mistakes unless you hate money. It is disrespectful to yourself. But when we review hands, the takeaway from these players is "I got this hand wrong" when in reality it is "I need to step back and look at my full capabilities".

@CribNotes 10 ай бұрын

To me this hand is clearly a case of scared money. There's no other reasonable explanation for a turn fold looking at that board. If you can't call the SB shove on that turn, you should be playing $2-5 not $5-10.

@ILmachiner 10 ай бұрын

"Just one of those positions where you second guess everything " ya like playing 5-10 or poker at all 😂

@AT-qm8gv 10 ай бұрын

I can’t even fold K4 suited in a 4-bet pot let alone Aces lol

@mcpartridgeboy 10 ай бұрын

you should fold k4s to a 4 bet.

@danielhurst8863 10 ай бұрын

Stopped at 5:20. Open with larger bets in EP. That should have been $30-40. As played, bet to $400. if he is going to call $200 more, he will almost always call $300 more, and with your stack size, this means set mining is not profitable over time. Stopped 11:30. Just shove over the check raise. If he has the Ad, Kd, or Qd he'll call. If you call, he can bet on any diamond, because your hand would scream you don't have diamond. You'd shove if you had the Ad. Stopped 16:30. Call the jam. Again, a good player will take this line with any high diamond in his hand. There just aren't any boats you can have. So good flush draws should bet. If he flopped a flush, just remember to 3 bet larger next time, so you deny odds over time. Then use this hand as a meta hand to star him latter, since he is a reg. Poker is a game over time, not one isolated hand. As played, you hurt my soul.

@bobby__conroy 10 ай бұрын

4 bet pot. incentive is with utg to 4 bet small starting 250 bb deep. keeps in a wider sb range. 3x is fine. this board should always go x, x on flop. utg incentivized to jeep pot small and take free cards because sb has nut advantage.

@PropaneIsLife 10 ай бұрын

Ha his face lol

@budthebud9108 10 ай бұрын

We need to know villains hand. Villain needs to call in

@ryanhill6909 10 ай бұрын

I don’t know what’s worse; folding AA pre-flop our outing yourself!

@jaketaylor3129 10 ай бұрын

I jam that flop all day or probably peel to see a non diamond turn but his raise makes me think he never has a flush which is why Im never folding.

@jaketaylor3129 10 ай бұрын

Bart has same take. Im very good in theory. Less so in practice lol.

@jaketaylor3129 10 ай бұрын

What a beautiful turn… he folds!!!????

@jaketaylor3129 10 ай бұрын

Thats just a never fold and i make insane folds and calls based on gut so if I played with this player soooooo many hands and i knew theyd only ever raise a flush in a 4 BET POT lol… then I’d fold. Only time.

@jaketaylor3129 10 ай бұрын

I mean insane based on theory but I’ll call really light so its not scared money but I do make folds that disgust me in hindsight when I remove myself from the hand. Plenty of calls too.

@harrycardillo8671 10 ай бұрын

Check flop, call turn, analyze river. KK plays this hand exactly the same way putting Hero on AK, QQ, JJ.

@stevenundisclosed6091 10 ай бұрын

Scared money doesn't win. Easy call on the turn.

@brettmasonmedia 10 ай бұрын

Wow. Rarely am I ever this shocked or speechless with these hands. But you’re putting opponent on exactly AK diamonds? Or A5 suited? I mean. Wtf is even going on here. I can’t even imagine how much this player folds to aggression in single raised pots where villain is much wider. Like any marginally scary board…nope I’m out! I don’t even believe what I just saw.

@dormie9 10 ай бұрын

Might be the worst fold in call in history

@MrRupertpickering 8 ай бұрын

Can anyone tell me why an Ace of diamonds is only 1/3 likely to win after the flop? Surely there's nearly a 50% chance of a flush and the Hero won't get a full house often

@SparkyKenny 10 ай бұрын

Yuck :(

@coachpete327 10 ай бұрын

Oof

@dylandelhart70 6 ай бұрын

Well that was a waste of 19 minutes

@MEJBD12 10 ай бұрын

Extended, extreme cringe face...is that official CLP terminology?

@captzachevil 10 ай бұрын

This fold was criminal. Too many smaller overpairs can take this line.

@rcadegaming9123 10 ай бұрын

Firs

@ferassafarbusiness7691 10 ай бұрын

The whole video stuck on Vilan having only two hands Why can’t he have any over pair to the board 10-10 +

@1vailchris 10 ай бұрын

Middling over-pairs (88-JJ) aren't going to x/r flop and jam turn after hero 4B's pre and c-bets flop. Hero's range has so many bigger over-pairs (QQ-AA) that have smaller over-pairs crushed, many with diamonds in them.

@Nikkithedog-t6b 10 ай бұрын

or 44 or 22. The thing that drives me nuts about these training videos is the misconception that the opponent is doing X because a trained thinking player would. I have played for income for 19 years and the simple truth is 90 plus percent of poker players are clueless. Bart had a video recently where he said the villain never gets to this point with K10. He never gets there with K10, lots of villains do....many many of them.

@Nikkithedog-t6b 10 ай бұрын

And the irony is Bart makes sure when he sits at Hustler he is always playing one of those short bus player streams so he knows how bad the opponents are.

@montezuma6962 10 ай бұрын

In my room, the losing regs will do this a lot with overpairs. Looks like Mohegan Sun has at least 2 bad regs playing w/$2500. The villain's play is just as bad as the hero's.

@JohnSmith-nx7zj 10 ай бұрын

@@Nikkithedog-t6b44 or 22? If villain is bad enough to have those hands oop in a 4 bet pot then I’m never folding. If he has 44 then he also has 55 which is open ended that he could be bluffing with. Hero said that villain was a reg at 5-10, villain never has small PPs.

@dvlORangl 10 ай бұрын

This show would be much better if he put the hands into the solver as they talk through them. If not it's just Bart speculating

@Its__Good 10 ай бұрын

Doug Polk started doing that and it was just deadly boring stuff. I'm ok with this series being based on Bart's knowledge and experience, rather than mathematical solutions. His short-cut mental processes are more likely to be helpful to me when playing than solver solutions for each scenario.

@brandonkelly3275 10 ай бұрын

Any schmuck can do a solver presentation. People tune in for Barts experience.

@Unhingedanduninformed 10 ай бұрын

This show would be… just do your own show man. Most of us don’t come here for boring solver shit

@robertwasden2691 10 ай бұрын

One word springs to mind and it ends with 'anker'

@DoyleAK 10 ай бұрын

Hopefully you don’t need a solver to tell you to snap call here

@supersmoo7377 10 ай бұрын

Ouch. I can see villains jamming turn with QQ with one diamond. KK with one diamond. AdKx. KdAx.. hero has to be good only 30% of the time on the turn.