HOW to LSD your FWD gearbox for only $35

LSD units can be very expensive, today I install a cheaper option and we will see if it works!

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

BOYS BOYS BOYS the box is in and we tried doing a burnout! click this link now kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGrMl4eLapetjdk

[@gemini3558]

Matt take my advice mate using the block is a great idea but just send it mate !!! wield it and replace axle’s when they brake so that both wheels spin 😜👍🇦🇺

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Haha i like that idea but we need to see if this will work first!

[@lucre274]

Like the Mazda T my bro 💪😁

[@tundacat2703]

Nice video Matt. Saw a guy opened these gear box a 'cheat way'. One I've done too myself. Done by removing the bell housing. There's a nice video on KZbin with it too.

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Man that is freaking awesome i never thought about doing it that way 😂😂😂😂

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

This is how we all learn from each other!

[@Ricerguy]

Yep, I've don't it too as a quick way to change the front gearbox seal/Input shaft bearing, it's miserable to reassemble though, as you have to insert the bolts/bracket for the reverse gear from outside the housing through a small space as the housings have to be close together. Sealing it becomes an issue aswell. 🤣👌🏾 I only recommend this way if you need to only change the seal/besting and you don't have the correct puller(which I didn't)

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

@@Ricerguy haha that sounds intense, I think you should be a key hole surgeon at the hospital lol

[@shecktaGAMING]

don't forget about quaife, i know you are not used to this brand in australia but it's a big brand in europe

[@andrewrigg4905]

Hey Matt. I had a look into these and decided not to..... for reasons you have mentioned already. Metal to metal, shavings and stuff all through everything. It’s far from ideal and you get what you pay for. But its at least interesting to see you test one out.

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Yeah man I know it seems bad, but someone has to try it haha.

[@99SHO91]

Are you guys familiar with Fords MTX-75 Gearboxes? I'm planning on going this route because i'm open diff right now and I have waaaay to much torque! with my new engine setup going to one wheel 🛞💨 zero traction. I'm from Texas i like your work 👍thank you so much.

[@UNLOCKCONNECTIONS]

Where can I get synchronizer and other parts for these box? My box is jumping out of almost all gears

[@djfrankieflowers]

This should be exactly the C150 that comes with 1998 European Corolla E11 with 4efe engine. I looked at the video and what you do is amazing. The fact is that nobody is capable to do this for me in Italy for a reasonable price. Just to open and close the gearbox they will ask at least €500. The rest of the work would cost me at least other €500. My gearbox is compromise because the synchronization forks are probably worn. They asked me € 1300 to refurbish it. No way! I found a refurbished one for €720. I also found a Glanza C 56 box for €680 pounds. It is non-LSD though. What do you suggest?

[@thaakiermaurice7711]

Will this work with daily driving in a front wheel drive?

[@jimmarco9356]

So I’m building a little project using a k24 do you know if it’s possible to flip a motor long ways and have one axle power a crv diff ?

[@sherco6921]

can this be used to convert any 2wd diff? and on a basic roller will the wheels still spin independently? i.e. will the diff only lock up under load

[@Rusty_39]

Are there bearings on the spider gears? Would this massive preload cause excessive wear? How has it held up since you installed it?

[@morganfreeman5171]

I highly recommend you NOT to use this style of "limited slip diff". My dad fitted his car with it and it ruined the gear box. It does work to start with, but not for very long. The thing is it works by friction (metal on metal) and it will wear very fast. It contaminates the gear oil with a thick metal paste. It is not worth it. A torsen style lsd is the way to go. Very expensive, but it will last without having to service it (unlike disc lsd's).

[@imestia7911]

It doesn't grind the teeth of the diff?

[@destruxandexploze2552]

Yeah if you can turn it with two hands even if it’s “really hard” the engine can turn MUCH MUCH more than you can. It won’t hold up too well.

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

someone has explained to me that it works completely different than i originally thought... the springs just hold the plates against the spider gears to stop rattles... when power is applied to the diff centre, the centre tries to turn and the pin tries to push the two plates apart, giving pressure to the spider gears... the more force thats applied, the tighter the LSD...

[@danybaybau4587]

Can be used on front diferential?

[@djfrankieflowers]

You might be the most reliable person I can speak to right now. The question I made to several people who know these gearboxes is if the C150 is a weaker gearbox compared to the C56. The gear rates work perfectly with my Corolla has the car is heavier compared to the Starlet. I swapped the engine with a 4EFTE and I am planning to reach maximum 200 hp. What do you think I should do? Keep this gearbox or swap it with a C56? If you have seen them both open maybe you can tell me what to do. Thank you

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

We ran one of our turbo cars around 300 hp with the stock box for over 10000km, no issues. Put the c52 in there as an upgrade and broke it soon after. All depends how you drive it too.

[@djfrankieflowers]

@@MattBerrymotorsport Yes I saw the video. That is crazy. Everyone is telling me that the C1 50 is too weak for the turbo engine. To be honest I would do what you did adapting the two plates for the LSD upgrade. If I would be in Australia I would definitely come to your shop to do it. Nobody here would help me. So you should just me by the sea 150 for €720 or by the C52 for £680? I checked gear rates and they are the same besides the first gear that is longer on the Corolla. How is that possible? They say that shorter first gear is weaker than how can it be stronger compared to my gearbox? I’m confused. 1st 3.545 on the C150 compared to 3.166 on the C52.

[@djfrankieflowers]

@@MattBerrymotorsport i read on forums that the C52 has stronger components. Did you notice it when pulling them apart?

[@TattooTaffy1]

At least it doesn't have some lh threaded bolts like some Honda boxes

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Not surprised as their D series engine run backwards too 😂

[@williewallace]

Where’s the link to the part?

[@eros20V]

What if you machine the phantom grip to fit without grinding the spider gears? Will it become really weak?

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

The problem is the position where the springs sit. If you machine the phantom down too far, the springs will be exposed

[@eros20V]

@@MattBerrymotorsport Dam it . I just build a carina box for my ep71t and you put ideas in my head with that contraption 😂

[@eddiecard]

Did you have to shave off material and re-make a new slot for the c-clips on the input shafts from the driveshafts ? Because doesn’t the lsd block get in the way of the drive shafts making them stick out a little more than normal? Thanks for your vid

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

No it’s fine. There is also holes in the plate to make room for that anyway

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

It’s been a while since I’ve looked at one. But i don’t think you would be able to remove the plate while the shafts are still in. If that makes sense. Never would happen in that order anyway

[@eddiecard]

@@MattBerrymotorsport ah I see. Yes I was concerned they wouldn’t be able to lock in place. Thanks for the quick reply 👍🏼

[@MinimaDomum]

I wonder if this will fit my Prius, there's basically nothing available off the shelf so might be worth a try

[@destruxandexploze2552]

What do you need it for? You’re not putting any power down 😆

[@MinimaDomum]

@@destruxandexploze2552 a lot more power than the starlet in this video... However I need it for dirt roads not racing

[@james13914]

Hmm. I am not sure what i want to do. I might just get a legit lsd and do it once. As that isnt the easiest box to part ill see cheers

[@gtgodbear6320]

Does it work like a real LSD or does it work like a welded diff?

[@willis23jm1]

Work like none

[@listarxos]

at any fwd car with turbo and many hp?

[@stinkyfrenchie]

What did you use to remove the material from the diff gears? I'm trying to use a metal mill and the tungsten carbide bits are struggling to remove any material.

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Angle grinder

[@stinkyfrenchie]

Noice!

[@TheMightyT1]

Could this be used in a second generation Ford Escape? AWD 2.5L, asking for a friend.

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Not sure

[@Freilynstr]

Hey, do you think that's safe? Those that are destined for C Transmissions cost more than 300 Dollars. But if that works for you, I think I lean towards that option, even if it is to do the test. I'm waiting for test video 👍

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

The only thing i am worried about is the metal grinding into pieces and going through the gearbox... after all you need to remember this style of lsd has been used in Honda's for a long time. If it didn't work, it wouldn't be sold. The genuine units were around $350-$500. I havent heard any horror stories yet, just one comment from a subscriber who said it stops working after a few weeks? Box is going back in today 😁😁

[@Freilynstr]

@@MattBerrymotorsport Believe me I really hope that works I am very tired of the open differential and the options to convert it to LSD are very expensive. Good Luck 👍

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

@@Freilynstr me too bro haha fingers crossed!

[@Suseko44]

@@MattBerrymotorsport how is it working to these days?

[@oluskloc]

Tha title should say: "HOW to break your FWD gearbox for only $35 (and many many hours of work)". Yes it will work as crappy version of LSD but it will explode in like few thousand miles.

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

I put more than 6,000 miles on it and did a dismantle video. Didn’t explode..

[@grilloperformance2982]

Can I use the same measurements to use on the c56 open diff?

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

I honestly don’t know. I’ve never pulled apart a c56. It will be close, just adjust measurements to suit

[@willis23jm1]

Those spring 2 plate lsd does nothing ...if you can break the holding force with hand imagine an engine torque and vehicle weight.... Similar lsd that phantom grip claim to imitate actual has clutch pack that locks up when spring press against them ... this block doesn't and slip like hell... it was just install and yet he could break hold ...when this spin a couple of time and being lube it will diffinately slip

[@ov7960]

👍

[@arrondaly]

I've got a 2006 swift sport with a super charger on it and really wanna fo this if it holds up for awhile

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Hell yeah we are fitting the box back in the car today and will see how it goes. The only thing I can see that could be a let down is these Chinese ones have small springs whereas the proper phantom grip ones have huge springs. They are also $500 for the unit! If its rubbish oll make sure I pin a comment to let everyone know, although there is lots of great reviews for them online

[@DavidLyon]

@@MattBerrymotorsport That's where the chinese counterfeits let you down. I'm very sure I can find good springs either here in Australia or Japan.

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

@@DavidLyon very good point and im sure we both can't justify over $300 just for springs lol...

[@DavidLyon]

@@MattBerrymotorsport Can you measure the springs before it all goes back together? I believe I can buy decent springs here, If you could post the spring sizes I can ask buy decent spring steel ones and post them. I don't believe you get much steel in those chinese made ones. I query if they will last longer than two-weeks, but good ones will.

[@DavidLyon]

I just checked en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Aisin_transmissions and apparently the Suzuki Swift December 2002 has the "MC5 Aisin"- 5-speed automated Toyota Yaris/Vitz, Suzuki Swift Transmission. You will have to fit to that.

[@djchamath]

so this is what racingdiff sells for 250EUROs isnt it?

[@AusPokeJack]

Wouldn’t it be easier to just make your own plates that are the correct dimensions than grind down the gears

[@azoturbo]

Can u post the link for the item please

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Hi dude just search it up on ebay, you will have to find one that fits your dimensions that you need anyway

[@azoturbo]

@@MattBerrymotorsport ok thinking about doing it in a starlet gearbox as well

[@amateurdesubaru]

this costs around 50 u.s. cents to manufacture in china and since it acts as a thrust bearing it should be made out of non ferrous such as brass , phosphor bronze , hard babbitt etc build it yourself come on

[@dantheman1998]

ikr!! i was thinking why not attach a clutch material to the face like kevlar.

[@arubianmacho]

Cant believe you deasemble all the gear to get to the diff🤦🏾 i just split them in have remove the reverse lever and done

[@JCnordic2983]

Will it hold up for lingevity

[@morganfreeman5171]

No, it will ruin the gear box in no time (metal shavings from metal on metal contact). Talking from experience.

[@Iowa599]

You should have removed that steel from your leg yourself, with a bigass magnet.

[@NorthWestSamurai]

I'm surprised you opted to machine your spider gears and weaken the phantom lsd by machining its side wall's rather than just use your diff measurements to fabricate your own phantom lsd (toyota specific) and then sell them.

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Yeah you're right. But I have piles of these boxes and wanted to see if the phantoms even work yet lol Ive already ordered thicker springs to be able to put them in my own plates if this works. We will see. Thanks for the comment :)

[@DavidLyon]

@@MattBerrymotorsport I suggest using something like a Valve spring as they have the quality that is needed - www.supertechperformance.com.au/p6911-spr-ec3025-2rz-dual-valve-spring

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

@@DavidLyon not that simple as id have to make new plates and machine new holes in there to suit those springs lol. We will see how the chinese lsd goes as it is, might be good enough for what 99% of us want... so let's see :)

[@DavidLyon]

@@MattBerrymotorsport I'm going to watch and see how you go. I have access to a CNC.

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

@@DavidLyon just did a burnout

[@rb200hp6]

I have one in my car but it works for about a month and then it go back to one wheel

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Haha thats awesome. Ive fitted two of them... the first one in this video isnt very tight compared to the second one i did... the second one was so tight that it's impossible to turn by hand and very difficult even with a big tool... maybe we need to try beef up the springs to make the weak one stronger? What gearbox did you have it in?

[@rb200hp6]

@@MattBerrymotorsport already tried tightening the springs and just hold for like 2 weeks and then back to square one,, I just don't think it's for boost cars,I have in a 4speed starlet box

[@DavidLyon]

Can you post the spring dimensions? So I can to ask my Spring guy how much for some beefy ones.

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

@@DavidLyon hey David sorry man i thought I replied. Spring dimensions are 25mm long, 10 mm od and 5mm id

[@DavidLyon]

@@MattBerrymotorsport I will contact a few local Industrial Spring shops.

[@hondaprelude8000]

What transmission was this out in?

[@MattBerrymotorsport]

Off they shelf, they are designed for hondas