CRW Wheelset - Roast again or Reheat?

[@paulstuart9465]

Total respect for your integrity in providing us with clear engineering quality recommendations for certain wheelsets. It's a minefield without such detailed analysis from someone we can trust. Thanks.

[@davidburgess741]

Peak Torque keeping manufacturers honest! Now, test another one anonymously In a year. See if they're looking after those same standards that set possesses.

[@pandapodium.official]

As commented on the original video: fully support PT's opinion, etc. One note though (as mentioned on the product page) the wait list for these is now getting seriously long. Production capacity is increasing, but they're being super cautious (for obvious reasons!) so please wait patiently. We handle orders in first-come first-served basis, but please be patient.

[@grzegorzkowal6480]

Could you compare radial stiffnes CRW4045 to Elite Drive 50D.

[@jasondebretteville4036]

​@@grzegorzkowal6480 Joe put out data but it seems inconsistent with PT's testing of the 40D which showed much less stiffness:.. CRW CS5055 was 50.67N/mm. Elite Drive 50D was 57.86N/mm. LUN Mega were 59.61N/mm.

[@grzegorzkowal6480]

@@jasondebretteville4036 I didn't know they are inconsistent. I saw this comparison, However I asked about radial stiffness not lateral. This parameter is more important for me.

[@stephenpcheung]

I've had these these wheels for 4 weeks now and have put on about 2100kms and 25k of elevation... they are unreal, phenomenal acceleration and just rolls really well. Even better than my hyper d45's. Customer service is the best I've experienced as well. Highly recommend if you can get them

[@Jahn80235]

I can confirm that .i have them too and they are probably the best I had ever

[@rg807]

Let's be honest: they are super light, and super beautiful, and just like in other "areas" of life, that's a tough combo to say no to.

[@jscalabre]

Yes!! Thank you mate. Awesome video. Just ordered my pair of 50-60s

[@m5louks1]

So, there was a major issue with these that made its way to market, and the solution is that they'll start QC'ing them for the problem only now. This whole QC only after the problem is found isn't going to work well for these Chinese brands entering the Western market for the first time. Its just backwards. Fingers crossed this is a one time issue. I'd love these brands to succeed, but it shouldn't be the consumers responsibility to find what still needs some QC. Peak, you've said over and over that these brands are rushing to market, and I totally agree. Rushing these products to market without better QC/QA does more harm than good to long term sales.

[@nochancecw]

Everyone has issues. The big take away is how they respond and fix the issue. And how Panda Podium worked to take care of customers. While I agree this sucks, having wheels like this for such a cheap price, a company that is willing to listen and a seller that can take care of you, is a pretty good deal. I think having Panda Podium as a middle man is really going to help build a better Chinese product market for the west. Good comment, I hope they spend more time on QC for the next gen.

[@SAnderson77]

Really! Western car manufactures have safety recalls and engine issues and these are cars! Remember no one is perfect even western brands Specialized with the steer tube replacement expander on the SL7, canyon with seatpost issues and snapped bars, Hugo Hofstetter snaps Bianchi handlebars twice during GP Denain. Laporte and Van Aert's cervelo wheels broke at Paris Roubaix last year. Looks new bike handlebar snapped at this years TDF. What about these major QC and design issues from the big boys and your concerned about some minor QC on a small Chinese wheel brand issues give me strength man 🤦🏻.

[@vedhed7969]

Western manufacturers only marginally better.

[@Omnis2]

They're trying to get product out there before the bike bubble bursts and everyone has inventory they can't move.

[@SAnderson77]

@@Omnis2 boring! 😴

[@Aeroskiii]

Start selling ur special rotors. chop chop engineer boy

[@TheTomster21]

Chop chop engineer boy 😂😂

[@PeakTorque]

Still in testing - need a few updates for the next batch...

[@Stoffendous]

Engineer boy!

[@LucasAndino-nl5ww]

Thanks so much for the video! Would you recommend these wheels over the Elite Drive? I know you haven't aero-tested the Elite wheels, but given what you know of both wheelsets...

[@stanzapalny2123]

Thanks for the review. How about their comfort?

[@duncancycles]

CRW wheels or Magene DB508’s????

[@glennmcfarlane5513]

Great information here. Did you say that you had a 30mm on the rear wheel and a 28mm on the front? I was originally interested in the CRW 5060, but worried about the fork clearance of my Seka Exceed RDC, so the CRW 5055 look to be the ticket. I want to use a 28mm and possibly even 30mm tires. Thanks

[@DDGB08]

You truly are a top tier KZbin reviewer. Great job!!

[@EthansTerrarium]

I purchased these wheels and only got a few rides in before I got hit by a car. Subjectively, the combination of light weight and low drag with these on my F10 made them a gamechanger from the 2019 404 NSW I was using before. The acceleration going downhill was unlike anything I had experienced before and the front of the bike became extremely light and playful. I am a huge fan of the every so slightly slacker geo of the dogmas vs road bikes (cervelos, specialized) as it feels a touch more stable, but man these wheels sure changed how reactive the front of the bike behaved. Also note that the cockpit is darimo so the front *should* feel lighter to start.

[@Stoffendous]

Lmao

[@realmagnetics799]

"The acceleration going downhill was unlike anything I had experienced before and the front of the bike became extremely light and playful" Last time I checked gravity hasn't changed.

[@EthansTerrarium]

Last time I checked nor has the influence moment of inertia in acceleration

[@RylHango]

@@realmagnetics799 are you aware constant acceleration applies to falling not rolling

[@philipk4475]

@@realmagnetics799 Last time I checked the acceleration due to gravity of a bike rolling down a hill is affected by rolling resistance and also aerodynamic resistance, which is why people put their head down to go faster downhill

[@littlevo9]

In your opinion, would I do something stupid if I changed my Rapide CLX2 for craft 50/60?

[@derekhobbs1102]

As my first boss told me, everyone cocks up, but how they deal with it is what counts.

[@PeakTorque]

My first boss told me - everyone cocks up, but its how they deal with a cock up the arse that decides it

[@stanzapalny2123]

No wonder you had to quit and start this channel. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger, be brave!

[@KS-go2ig]

So with only 16 spokes with a disc brake do you foresee any problems?

[@jasondebretteville4036]

Did you see any of the pitting on the carbon spokes that others have complained of? ....and did you do any stiffness testing? Thanks!!

[@global_nomad.]

Thanks for the update and the reminder that years of engineering knowledge does not come cheap....certainly not in the realms of the price of a wheelset.....

[@fritz324]

Do you know when we can expect your review of the hyper SEs? I'm very interested in your opinion of them since I'm contemplating buying a set

[@darrengee2412]

Are you going to have the wheels long enough to give a longevity test or opinion ?

[@JBSpine007]

Confused, did you get new parts to fix the wheels or did you do the fixes yourself? I am hesitant because no being an engineer if I get a bad QC wheel I cannot fix it myself.

[@PeakTorque]

They sent the larger end caps, but the centerlock thread i fixed myself

[@DebasishNayak]

Now i am wondering if this guy is for real after hambini !!

[@mohammedzakyabdulrazak2347]

Hi, does the CRW 50/60 holds speed well? Thanks

[@Maxibsa]

What has been your long-term experience with the wheels to date? Would you still recommend them and are they durable

[@PeakTorque]

@@Maxibsa i have a new crw video up within the next 5 days where i discuss the durability

[@Maxibsa]

@@PeakTorque Great looking forward to it

[@Jahn80235]

Which model were this ?50/55 or 60/50?

[@Danielkuota1]

I am wondering too

[@valiantabello]

Thank you for all your work.

[@mitchlabrador]

Thanks for the follow up. Joe owes you dinner for the free QC 😄

[@pandapodium.official]

Hahaha, and a beer to two.

[@Caffeinatedtechnerd]

Thank you for the thorough review! I’ve got them on order and now I know what to watch out for.

[@emanuelpradera9717]

Hey PT, I wanna buy The XC30s, do you still have a valid discount code?! Thanks, love your channel!

[@robleech2468]

I am sold on the light weight and aero properties but where do these land vs big brand premium $$$ wheels in terms of lateral stiffness and strength / reliability ?

[@rjacko7478]

Great follow up

[@markpavkovic]

How’s the comfort/ feel? Do the carbon spokes make them feel too stiff?

[@klausdietrich9475]

Have a pair of CRW4045. Comfort is good at 7 bars tyre pressure.

[@grzegorzkowal6480]

​@@klausdietrich9475 I was disappointed with how stiff are Elite Drive 50D, I mean they are too stiff in comparison to wheels with steel spokes. I lost comfort. I was wondering how it looks ride comfort CRW4045 in comparison to elite drive 50d

[@klausdietrich9475]

I think you should be fine. I run a 24mm tyre at high pressure and comfort i good. I‘m 79kg.

[@alan_davis]

You don't buy deep section carbon wheels for "comfort".

[@stanzapalny2123]

I'm wondering about the same thing. Please let us know if you have this figured out!

[@PeterPutz82]

Great job PT, keep it up 👍

[@JayLato]

I find it very odd the rear internal is 4mm narrower

[@felixhaegele8745]

Thank you for your work!

[@nunopires596]

Really like your videos... Any news on the Review of the Winspace Mega D45 wheels?

[@PeakTorque]

coming soon!

[@PeakTorque]

Already on patreon

[@openwheelracing88]

Are these CRW hubs from the same factory as Farsports RD270?

[@PeakTorque]

No idea 😐

[@jonasstolz1311]

Do you have any comparison to some other wheels like Zipp 404, Roval CLX or something like that.

[@Jahn80235]

I have them for 3 weeks .After having Roval Rapide ,Zipp,Bora wto ,Vision ,Blank inc 60…There is no comparison this wheels are just rocket in acceleration ,uphill ,downhill ,flat you name it

[@jonasstolz1311]

Have them already for about 3 month! Love them too. At really fast speed I find the roval and zipp 404 better. They are really bad at wind.

[@Jahn80235]

@@jonasstolz1311 never had an issue in wind with them and find them faster the Roval…now only a head to head comparison same day tyres and bike could probably tell you more

[@jonasstolz1311]

Yeah also think they are as fast as the rovals or even faster. But me and a friend mentioned the wind „problem“. It is not a real problem, but the 404 performed better with wind. Everything else was sooo much worse 😂 the 404 are really terrible when you know what is possible. But at the Bavarian alps on descents with 65+ I already had two really sketchy moments.

[@joebloodworth]

FWIW, just got mine. Actual: 1323g without lock ring or valves. Listed: 1290+/-2% (1315g) which PandaPodium Tech rep says if I remove the rim tape it would reach it yet all my DT Swiss, SwissSide Hadron2’s and Roval CLX all include it. I know we’re talking grams, but the biggest reason we’re talking about these wheels at all is grams. I’d rather they advertise 1350 and show up 1350 than send KZbin reviewers better made wheels at 1257 like yours and send customers lesser quality. P.S. your videos are excellent PT. Hope you’re able to take pride in them. 🙌

[@Danielkuota1]

Which model you got!? The 55/50 or 50/60? What was the total weight I am still thinking between this ones or the Drive 50s

[@Jahn80235]

I have got the 55/50 and were 1248 with tubeless band .So it was like 2 grams lighter than advertised

[@Jahn80235]

@@Danielkuota1 I have the craft 55/50 and the Elite .The craft weighs 1248 with tubeless band and everything and they are rocket wheels.probably better than most others have ever had

[@Danielkuota1]

Thank you for the reply. I appreciate. Yes I already ordered the 55/50. I don’t like much the idea of a very wide front wheel. I think that internal with it’s a bit to much. I can’t wait to receive them. It can take up to 20 days to Uk :(. I hope for the best

[@Jahn80235]

@@Danielkuota1 I belive you ll be very happy with them .

[@treyquattro]

CRW should send you a couple of sets of wheels at the very least! They're going to get a bunch of sales as a result of your work.

[@alan_davis]

You do know how affiliate links work, right?

[@treyquattro]

@@alan_davis do you? Be sure to update us when PT gets enough from them to cover the cost, assuming he puts fungible cash to a set of CRW wheels.

[@skiparock]

legit review(s). sub'd

[@TrickyTree84]

Ive got the d45s you reviewed kn my bike 😊

[@morrisizing]

I wondered how effective the fewer spokes would be Aerowise. I have wondered if the move to disc brakes and generally the higher spoke count needed to deal with braking forces has been behind some of the move back to Tri spokes in TT's - Priceston/ Revolver etc (though Dan Bigham rides the Cadan trispoke with the very slim hub on a rim brake bike). It will be interesting if the design and carbon spokes holds up over time to braking forces. At the moment if they can show the QC issues are permanently resolved they look like a good FRO wheelset.

[@tommyfreckmann6857]

I'd like to know the actual penalty as well as far as drag.

[@Saladh_Olivier]

Thank you!

[@db613]

There is a major need and market for lightweight rotors that last long

[@TracKnGravelDeWd]

Why would I buy these instead of winspace or Elite. All these qc issues have been handled years ago?

[@mikehall6608]

Have completely sacked-off TPU now :(

[@moobaz8675]

The speed and depth of quality parts now coming out of China must be a real worry to the mainstream brands. Fair play to CRW for acknowldging and srting out the QC issues. It builds trust in the brand and product. 👍

[@alan_davis]

The mainstream brands' products also come from China... I think they understand.

[@thedronescene7474]

I notice that neither you nor Hambini criticizes ceramic bearings on China brand wheels in your reviews. However, when testing American brands with similar ceramic components, you strongly express disapproval. It seems clear to me that you both consider ceramic bearings a bad idea for wheels and bikes in general. Is that correct

[@jackfros-e3s]

Its a total joke that you have to measure parts of your wheels with a micrometer to check if the makers have bothered to manufacture the parts correctly. I have got DT Swiss and have never measured anything , just fit the wheels and ride. Why would I bother with any other half- arsed junk.

[@PeakTorque]

My point exactly and why i got so angry in the last video!

[@alan_davis]

My DT wheels were the worst I ever bought...

[@DanTuber]

You got a free set of wheels?...so not exactly free engineering.

[@PeakTorque]

I've got enough wheels to test!

[@Stoffendous]

​@@PeakTorqueSure but you can sell and make good buck off of the set. Point is they still represent value obviously.

[@alan_davis]

Yay! 10k of engineering knowledge for a 1k set of wheels you don't need... FFS.

[@mikewynn8901]

disturbing beginnings of pornstar facial hair..

[@johnnyboy4711]

Swapping out a faulty wheel for a new one doesn't fix the issue, false economy and tells me a lot about the brand,they are expensive for what they are, Chinese carbon ,Elite wheels, all day long for me.i have them three years and never an issue ,half the price of these ones.

[@alan_davis]

It was a $2 end cap, watch the video properly.