CS2 Update Removes Overpass And Adds Dust2

[@JackOffTheInternet]

Best video yet, Rich! Watched at 30x speed, so you can definitely believe me! Loved the bit about Overpass and Dust 2.

[@HahsJeje]

Real fan right here❤

[@benadams5583]

You merely adopted dust2. I was born in it, molded by it

[@jabs196]

Damn you beat me to it, definite bane vibes at the start of the video lol

[@RayJames-mk3yq]

im old enough to remember when it was called dust3, in its beta days before it was released as dust2. davej getting cheeky.

[@HahsJeje]

As long as I live I will always here the Tom Hardy bane.

[@thelast1090]

Silver vibes 😂❤

[@SuperMorganius]

Man, youtube has just stopped recommending me your videos. Glad I decided to manually check your channel and see that you haven't gone dark, the algorithm is just fucking with me.

[@TheHrdza]

shadowbanning is real

[@zach5038]

Overpass was one of 3 maps that got FULLY remade for CS2 just to remove it after a few months? Great time investement making that map for the Valve employees..

[@DropDatDime]

Waaaaaa

[@F1stzz]

Dw, all map overhauls for CS2 were made by freelancers, so no Valve employees were harmed in the process 👌🏻

[@Ron-nr8lw]

Even if they did they got their paychecks they really don’t give a shit what’s in the competitive pool when they were clocking in for work anyways

[@Scyborg832]

Fully remade? It had a fresh coat of paint on it. 56% ct win rate as a result of no changes to the map is hardly "fully remade".

[@MiskyWisky]

Hey Rich! Regarding the righthand/lefthand viewmodel stuff: I think one of the main reasons Valve delayed its release, and do not let people constantly switch the viewmodel back and forth without an animation is due to how shooting through smokes works now. From what I've seen (correct me if I'm wrong), the side the gun is on effects how the holes in the smokes appear to the player. If someone were able to constantly spam the viewmodel back and forth while spraying a smoke, it's possible it could mess with the bullet holes in the smoke, giving the player an advantage. This also seems to be why spectators can now see when you have a lefthand/righthand viewmodel. I hope this doesn't make spectating CS2 tournaments more wonky! I could definitely see a world where observers would like to avoid spectating lefthanded players, simply because it looks weird (especially for newer CS fans).

[@markuseliasen3638]

As long as we can't force right hand on broadcast this will in fact look weird when observed in game..

[@salwaby]

LAN party dust2 is my childhood

[@qBeYcarpet]

Gotta love it how the community was crying months for lefthand and now that they implemented it people whine that valve adds lefthand instead of "fixing the game"

[@F1stzz]

Can't win with 'em сrеtіns 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@KanaalMTS]

Kenny did you find Clementine?

[@NotFluplaxio]

Give me cache or give me death

[@HahsJeje]

Ok

[@BVZZpunk]

Lmao, about the switching lefthand righthand thing, I've still got old clips from 10+ years ago which show me switching as I clear angles. That being said, I was literally the only person I knew that ever did that. I appreciate the community going wild on my behalf, but it definitely wasn't needed lol.

[@worm9862]

From what I know at least from 4 years ago onward elige was a big proponent of this. One of (arbitrary guess incoming) maybe 6 or 7 tier one players that actually used that feature for a visibility advantage. It's not needed but I could see a veteran player who is used to using it get the classic anti-placebo where you think you are gonna be worse without the feature and therefore can't get into flow state and actually perform worse.

[@lionheartzcs2]

as a adhd zoomer pleb i 100% understand wanting to scorch earth the left hand screamers but ultimately im glad its back, if for nothing else than the fact that its a unique thing to CS. Very few games have swapped viewmodels and I think the left hand looks nice :D

[@kristiankelloway127]

Man, I really wish the map pool would change more often and was more varied. I think bringing in old maps is cool, but I would love to see new maps or reworks in the active pool. We've been looking at Mirage for 84 years. I want to see Santorini, Cache, Cobble, Train, Season, Crown - just something different

[@Quakez0r]

Bro I'm old but I remember playing dust2 in like third grade.

[@NaranuCS]

I love the fact they added 'left-hand view model' but its the equitant to switching weapons so people are now pissed they can't do it without any repercussions.

[@petrutorlac7840]

does anybody remember the gamebanana script that tried to simulate the toggle feature of source in goldsrc's cs 1.6? pepperidge farm remembers. in csgo i used to be able to tuck my viewmodel as low as possible into my screen, disable bobbing and also toggle my viewmodel orientation without redeploy animation fuckery and sounds being made. now my cz covers a quarter of my screen and switching viewmodels causes it to be reequipped with a mag and fuck up after i pump one round in the sky and reload

[@Hkolberg01]

RIP TRAIN… I know it was played very little… because I solo queued it only. 10+ mins for a game each time, and it was so worth it. No better feeling than swinging a main as a t and one tapping the z or ivy player with an AK

[@clayton1738]

Train is a master class of a map. It should never of been removed. I remember consistently playing it on facet at level8-10 between 2019/2020. I think the idea that it wasn’t popular isn’t true at all, at least on a higher level.

[@Hkolberg01]

@@clayton1738 A lot of people think train was a bad pug map, I disagree. 2 a smokes and go. Fakes are easy enough to set up with randoms if they have microphones, and there are solo plays you can make in every part of the map. I agree, true masterclass of a map

[@Hkolberg01]

Pro matches were awesome too. Astralis vs Liquid, and 2018 major finals come to mind

[@Habit117]

Train sucks. Glad it's not even in the reworks yet.

[@Hkolberg01]

@@Habit117 watch one of the matches I listed above and tell me again why it sucks lol

[@Ottobot2]

39:15 That says "what duh hell". XD

[@johnolar4326]

Richard, it’s funny that you mention Tarkov as an example of a game where cheaters have ruined it. I just recently got more into counter strike from Tarkov, and I have to say that my experience in both games has been the same. The prevailing thoughts online seem to be that there’s a cheater “in every raid/game” etc. Yet, in my personal experience there have been OCCASIONAL times I have run into what I consider a no-doubt cheater. I have ~1,300 Tarkov hours and can say I ran into blatant cheaters maybe 5 times. I am a sample size of 1, but that has been my experience in cs as well. I am only like 13k in Premier, so it could be low rank. Just an observation from someone who has recently been deep into both games and community content

[@XxKBD98xX]

It would be a bit weird if they remade overpass to me, especially because this overpass itself was already one of the remade maps

[@zilliq-qz5uw]

Train with cs2 visibility would be awesome, Ivy was so difficult to see in. Still not sure I like popdog as a spot, but I'm ready to put the efforts in to get good at it

[@battousaiplays]

the ban wave was apparently linked to valve being able to detect glitch exploits the cheaters were using to make the guns fire full auto like scouts etc, so the cheaters using them functions caused their accounts to get nuked but people cheating without that option were still able to rage hack and stream it without instant bans

[@mojommmm]

i kinda thought we’d never see dust 2 again, i’m not sure how i feel about it coming back but you’re definitely right about the pool being better with it there. vertigo may not be the best map in the pool, but it’s fun to play and fun to watch (totally subjective). i would say -mirage +dust 2 would be better, but we’ll find out

[@alexp3577]

An observation in regards to cheating: In CSGO right before trust factor was added I was having a cheater in about 15% games and thought it was terribly bad. After the trust factor was added it, if I played regularly - there were no cheaters at all, no matter how many people were crying that the game is infested with cheaters. However, if I took a break of about 6 month - out of first 10 games there would be 5-6 games with cheaters, then 1-2 in next 10 games, but then it would go back to no cheaters. Maybe 1 in 50+ games. In CS2 I've rarely met any cheaters, maybe 1 in 30 games. Around February of 2024 I've started having cheaters at least 60% of the time. Premier, MM, Wingman, doesn't matter. After 3 days of having rage cheaters(instakills though the walls) in 3 out of 4 games(usually on both teams) - I quit for some time. After this update - first 10 games were still high in number of cheaters, I think it was 4 or 5 of the games, but to rage cheaters, mostly blatant wallhackers. Next 16 games after this update - I get 1 blatant wallhacker every 4-5 games. So it's much better than what was happening before the update, but still pretty bad. I think they are giving cooldowns to people that are using rage hacks(no spread, high fov aim assist, spinning, speedhacks, insane firerates of weapons), so most of the cheaters are just walling now. All of these observations were done by playing solo on GE in CSGO and 18-20k in Premier in CS2. And yes, I've always confirmed my suspicions by watching the replays(except in CS2 when there were no demos).

[@sskuk1095]

Hey Richard, would you welcome the map Tuscan to the pool?

[@DivineRebornGaming]

Overpass and train were my favorite maps to watch and play. Cobble also had some bangers I remember a sick VP (polish) vs SK (Brazil) game on it. Drop and B long were also unique and fun to play. I never liked A though

[@shookya6976]

Please for the love of god just let me play Train valve. They dont even have to put it in the map pool at this point, I just want to play the map again

[@davids8127]

I was so happy when they removed it, mirage had already felt like the dust2 if cs2. They should've added that new map or train, cache and keep dust 2 in competitive for fans

[@CYellowan]

I've played against hundreds of cheaters, in fact i was blocked from obtaining global elite initially in 2015 due to about 90% of global elites being cheaters back then before the first large ban-wave unlocked the rank to ordinary mortal gamers that played every day. FEW ought to get access to the Overwatch system. VERY few, only more experienced veteran players ought to get access. I really enjoyed it, and sure there was a ton of super blatant situations. But all of those were so easy to figure out. There is more to it that only experienced veteran players can see or understand. So yeah, OW coming back is really REALLY good.

[@nazarmawas8029]

If the fps was normal when a grande is thrown in water, we would have played more of it cuz the overhaul was sick. They literally sabotaged it by making it too good.

[@dmmyg4524]

Honestly excited to see the new smokes and no skybox on Dust 2

[@jspn9474]

overwatch was not taken away, it just wasnt part of the minimal viable product for CS2's release. Very common thing with technology product upgrades to prioritize some features over others for an initial release.

[@dunemeister5718]

Was talking to friends the other day about how while train is better than vertigo for any team CS, vertigo is so much easier for pugs. Cannot think of any map harder to play than train with 5 randoms (potentially nuke although it’s become more popular in MM these days, luckily I play usually with a 2 or 3 stack at least meaning we can smoke outside which almost guarantees beating most of any lower rank players on that map). Overpass definitely also hard to play as a solo queue but personally don’t think it’s as bad as train

[@TheNeoSabre0]

Why not have both, I dont get it

[@clarissadarling2190]

r_cleardecals when?

[@MrRawrgers]

I honestly feel like every time I have to play mirage in premier I instantly become tilted from round one, it’s the only map in cs that’s ever made me feel this way and I solo Q so I get outvoted often

[@NotFluplaxio]

If people can’t play with right hand only how do they play any other shooter???

[@RayJames-mk3yq]

i don't really. aside from playing mostly CS i played TF2 which had left hand guns. i play some valorant which has it. i played some overwatch and i honestly felt my aim was worse on chars like mcree cause of right hand gun, so i liked dva and tracer for being ambidextrous.

[@NotFluplaxio]

@@evolvedHE missing the point. This is for people who play a variety of games that also play exclusively lefty. The fact it was removed and re-added isn’t what matters or what I was asking.

[@NotFluplaxio]

@@RayJames-mk3yq that makes a lot of sense thanks for sharing!

[@alexp3577]

I think they want most players to associate premier with the main way to play CS2. Then they can expect the players to keep playing premier even if their favorite map is removed from the pool. That’s why they want to keep vertigo, because of the old vertigo fans. Still hope that +overpass -vertigo happens after the next major.

[@ubenoob13]

even though it's not everyones cup of tea i would love cache and train back in the pool.

[@calamityg1881]

I usually drink beer in pubs. Cheers!

[@Sander489]

Awesome t-shirt! TNG❤

[@JayVeeDee]

I personally dislike dust2 but it is iconic to the game, same way inferno, train, and nuke are, so it's fine that it got added back in. I definitely think that in general the map pool size should just just be bigger. Dunno why we're locked into the maps we have. Would make banning maps even more interesting and also with the MR12, it leads to the fact that b05s are more viable and with that a bigger map pool would be good as well. Personally would've removed mirage for dust2, though I'd rather have train back in or even old cbble or maybe just some new take on it. But in a perfect world for me, we'd just have dust2 in, train, cbble, cache, and a better mirage. Never understood the Tuscan hype, though I wouldn't mind it over anubis because that map is kinda eh to play on. Vertigo for me is kinda interesting though I think some changes could be done to B entrance and the awkward A ramp layout.

[@davids8127]

I hope they introduce some method that would make reporting more efficient. I think when u above 15k u can tell if someone fishy and check 1 or 2 shots where u can tell if its a cheater, like make a demo report weight more or something cause right now people reporting for abusive chat so cheaters get a week ban lol

[@BURRDAWG_]

the height on the building from tspawn to bannan are way to high you cant even flash car players

[@stoickcs]

Left hand causing migraines reminds me of MSG fearmongering 😈

[@sidewaysfcs0718]

The thing no one has ever explained is WHY should the map pool be limited to 7 maps? Why not 9? or 11? Pro teams too lazy to learn more strats? Is that really the standard? Why not ADD a few more maps, especially the proven classics? 2015-2016 Cobble? Tuscan?

[@NaZtRdAmUs]

Love the t-shirt Rich.

[@KobeWasBetterThanBron]

Its frustrating hearing people give their thoughts on the map pool when you know they dont even play the fucking game.

[@Lapouchy]

Bring Office back as a map :D

[@LMPC2012]

I was always under the impression dust 2 was one of the very few that was seen as a somewhat decent equaliser.. can someone enlighten me as to why it became hate towards the end?

[@danin900]

Because it's boring. It's a map that everyone kinda plays the same because it's such a small, linear map. A lot of the time strategy and teamwork isn't what wins it, just raw aim.

[@ElementalDj]

it used to be seem tactically limited, but perhaps it has changed in the new metas

[@RayJames-mk3yq]

Valve collects millions per week for free thanks to a left hand view model user - the game's creator gooseman. keeping it in the game is the least they could do.

[@jeremy5077]

Train was my favorite map ever, then it was overpass. sad.

[@mopeybloke]

The gun should be held in the centre hand. Doom and Quake had it right.

[@madnessski7483]

Is it me or does RL think “Pugs” are called “Pubs”. Taken for Granite moment

[@RLewisReports]

Yeah it is of course you. A PUG is a pickup game. Playing PUBlic games are PUBS. Great post though.

[@1bird_d]

pretty sure overwatch was taken away since the demo player was so underbaked until recently (although it still is pretty rough, cs:go's had problems but it was good enough)

[@The_Fool_m]

I really don't like Valves mentality when changing maps like this. I understand that there is value in taking out unpopular or least played maps but if you only apply this over a long period of time you end up with a map pool that we have right now, which is very easy to pick up maps based on individual performance and where 1 person can win you the game more easily than on other maps. I feel like we ended up in a place where the individual performance is being prioritized over teamwork and map knowledge disproportionality when it should be a mix of both. And it now will take a lot of major cycles to fix this. As an example, me and my 5 stack of friends loosely practice maps and we love the more tactical ones where teamwork and nades are slightly more important than the individual performance because we are noobs that enjoy the game by practicing strats instead of aim. But this mentality is not the main part of the community obviously. When I look at the map pool now, I struggle to find maps that we enjoy. Mirage and D2 is off the table because almost no one likes to play that against match making heroes, Vertigo is meh and nuke is our perma ban cause none of us played it much in either iteration of cs. That leaves only Anubis and Ancient, which we both enjoy a lot, but when we play faceit and we have to play ancient or anubis 4 times in a row, motivation will be low. Tl;dr: -Mirage -D2 -Vertigo +Tuscan +Breach +newundiscoveredmap

[@MechaSpooka]

Just play nuke

[@xExotiingx]

12:58 dumbest take ever, use logic sometimes

[@RLewisReports]

What's dumb about it and what logic is absent from what I said?

[@R7Marsh]

i have 4000+ hours of dust 2 only. This is great imo. I loved overpass though is the problem. Anubis is meh to me, same as vertigo.

[@arrowgunt]

Bring back office

[@maxgeorge488]

Idk, I feel like dust2 doesn’t have quite the strategic depth as EVERY other map in the map pool.

[@ImChrisZ_]

Thanms

[@bilboswaggens2975]

Should have gotten rid of mirage and vertigo. -Mirage, -Vertigo +Dust, +Cobblestone

[@shoutz11373]

Why not expand the map pool . Is there a reason you couldn’t just add an additional 2 maps and not have to remove ? to give even more variety

[@9111channel]

Yes there is multiple reasons, for starters adding more maps would SEVERLY impact the quality of play of any pro team. Most teams already have a permaban because there simply isnt enough time in the day to practice all 7 maps. Adding more bans would just make it so teams where playing on their weaker maps more often and some maps would probably go months without ever being picked.

[@ElementalDj]

7 maps is is more than enough for the pro scene, for every other scene you could argue for it I guess

[@Raidenze]

This change sounds extremely familiar. Oh wait...

[@clayton1738]

Man I feel like this was such a huge rushed and missed opportunity. Sure the map pool needed to be updated, but bringing back this shitty version of D2 was not it. I feel like the whole pool feels like pug contact based maps now. Overpass and nuke are the only maps that still felt strategy based and now that is gone. It should have been that reworked train or a reworked version of cbble getting put in with vertigo out. I would have even rotated mirage out for cache as well, but I understand the new version isn’t ready.

[@DavidDeCorso]

Nice I can start playing Premier again

[@heavyflamerheresy2581]

I could see Valve emploes have overwatch, so it could overwatch ban from them

[@fishfast7197]

by what metric is Vertigo shit? It was the most played map in the ESL Pro League S19 group stage.

[@9111channel]

The fact that a controversial map gets played alot by proffesional teams trying to get an advantage in the map veto when they are playing for thousands of dollars does not exclude Vertigo from being a shit map.

[@AutisticWimpyKid]

Valve should consider bringing back cobble

[@romanvarsity]

Dust 2 mirage and ancient all play the same …..

[@romanvarsity]

NO COBBLE NO NEW DLORES

[@8roma8]

in 3 weeks after all yters have say that cheating has improve, valve will say that the update was a bluff

[@CatnamedMittens]

I havent followed CS in years. How is the game doing?

[@Sam-es2gf]

I'm glad that not 2 minutes in we've established vertigo is irredeemable dogshit. Fine with dust2 being back, but it was vertigo that should have gone. "vertigo has a high pick rate" I do not care. dust2 was the most played map when it went before. vertigo is the map pro teams pick when they know the other team is better than they are because it's too easy to stop them playing CS, there is no room for individual skill or creativity (best 3 teams in CS right now permaban it for this reason), and it's the map autistic 5 stacks pick because you can dominate pugs with a couple of sets of utility playing the rounds the exact same way every single time. mirage is overplayed but it's needed to balance out the stifling, linear nature of vertigo and inferno. nuke and overpass have a lot to them so they're too complex for your average player but the map pool should reflect high end players and pro teams - if noobs or average skill people like certain maps they can play them in competitive anyway. ancient and anubis are both good, though people are still cold on anubis because it's the newest map and by default the CS community hates change. it also requires CT aggression or you lose too much map control because you enable the T's to rotate too quickly, same as overpass, alarming amount of people can't wrap their head why sitting 2 on each site, 1 mid and waiting isn't viable = "bad map" going forward i hope valve changes two at a time, ideally something like a reworked older map and something new.

[@csrph]

What is even the reason for the Vertigo hate? I have heard so many people say it's shit but literally nobody has explained why. I think it's one of the best maps in the pool, and Train was a dogshit waste of map pool space. Guess I'm just a contrarian.

[@Horatiusxa]

What do you think about starting the CTs off at 2900 loss bonus to try to balance the economy? I feel like the main issue with the economy is how punished the CTs are if they get off to a slow start in MR12.

[@9111channel]

2900 loss😂 lets add 5 players to each team aswell and you have casual mode. Just buy every round lol

[@Horatiusxa]

@@9111channel I don’t think you understand what I said. Right now, both teams start off at 1900 loss bonus. Minimum is 1400, Maximum is 3400. Not proposing changing the minimum or the maximum. Just what the CT loss bonus STARTS at. Right now it’s easy for the T’s to force after a loss with bomb plant and get galils, CTs have no such option. It would make the economy less punishing for CTs, only for the first few rounds. More impactful gun rounds and better force buys for the CTs just so you don’t get off to a horrible start. I think it’s worth considering, at least

[@bellojoey]

❤

[@longrangevolley425]

overpass is a great map, cache is goat map, anubis is the only decent "new" map. ancient and vertigo are dogshit

[@wraethcs2]

Hell yeah, I made it first for once

[@esdths]

Dust 2 is, by far, the most braindead map to play on pugs. Play like a moron, and you win. I seriously cannot understand any justification for bringing it back aside than to appease China. Removing a strategy-based map like OP that is liked by nearly everyone and keeping Mirage (which most people have had enough of) to replace it with an aimer sweaty fast-paced map like Dust 2 is frustrating because it diminishes the value of strategy in the game, especially on CT.

[@cryfest]

Never liked Dust2 in CSGO.

[@gamingmarcus]

I always felt that Cache and D2 play almost exactly the same when you watch pro matches. The times with both in the pool at the same time were awful. I'm not a huge fan of either map but I'd take Cache over D2 any day of the week.

[@oORoOFLOo]

Isnt Vertigo still in the pool? I dont watch the game but I remember whenever I would try to watch that trash was on. Unwatchable map

[@TeemuSintonen]

Algo

[@jackwilliams5137]

Should of removed Anubis or ancient for dust 2. Overpass was one of the better maps. Valve should have done a pole or something or asked the community.

[@calamityg1881]

A person who played 2 PUBs talks about CS ingame things.

[@TheChasing]

It's PUGs , Not PUBs ... P.U.G.- Pick up Game

[@ScizRgaming]

pubs = community public servers/casual matchmaking, different from pugs

[@ProxQsNsJG]

pretty sure thats a dog mate ur not gonna get me with that 1

[@tryxpb]

Look at him he knows everything

[@RLewisReports]

PUBs is short for PUBlic matches. Sure owned me though.

[@TheChasing]

@@RLewisReports oh okay , didnt know that .. we just called them servers back then , that some dudes owned and just played PUGs oon them .. sorry , my bad