C. S. Lewis - The World’s Last Night

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[@catified2081]

This man is able to articulate complex thought into everyday language. His words are true and timeless.... he is truly "woke" unlike the fools that rampage through our civilization declaring they want "social justice". God help them!

[@1Lord.J.C]

You of such abundance of naivety. Your comment is mind numbingly painful and self riotous. You are not worthy to categorise this great man, let alone 'woke'. For you pitiful few hear one paragraph that fits the ignorant wokeness narrative. The arrogant assumption that the creator of those words is woke are nothing but egotistic, Narcissus type comments

[@davidpeckham2515]

@@1Lord.J.C I think you may be taking what he said in the wrong way, understandably so, but wrong nonetheless.

[@loremaster234]

@@1Lord.J.C He placed *woke* in quotations for a reason. Today "woke" means that you are "up to date" or on que with the social norm. I think what the OC was saying was that Lewis was way ahead of others in his understanding of the subject, or was simply on point with understanding it; and that he would not be accepted by those today who seek "truth."

[@limapapa5242]

Truly.

[@thebacons5943]

Deep ideas expressed without a wasted word... though occasionally illustrated with highly accurate analogies and other asides

[@onceinawhile7]

There is something so comforting about this voice that seems to be the same narrator for all Lewis’ books. I love CS Lewis, he is far and above my favorite intellectual thinker

[@debbieellett9093]

Mine as well.

[@portlandpatriot7784]

I've never been accused of being overly intelligent, but I had an idea while backpacking near Mt Ranier. It was so stunningly beautiful. Even groaning, under the curse. How amazing is Heaven? Perfect, incorruptible, holy. I bet our new bodies have senses we can't comprehend now. See Jesus? The reality of it is awesome.

[@jdmarkum]

Amen

[@ktnguyenn3166]

John 3:16 For God so loved the world he gave his one and only begotten son, that whoever shall believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life Accept Christ as your saviour, repent for your sins- turning away from your own thoughts actions and placing your faith in Jesus he died for your sins. God Bless🙏🙏

[@hannannah1uk]

Everlssting Life not Love. ... "gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believed in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "

[@limapapa5242]

Narrator's voice extremely calming; listening becomes like sipping a fine wine - acquired taste, small sips, let it breathe :/) Don't give up , keep at it. It might help to go to the playlist and start at the beginning. Humble, thoughtful Brilliant man, whom I would have passed by if not for a year in lockdown. My deepest thanks to the poster.

[@youbetyourwrasse]

Now when I read CS Lewis I hear this gentleman.

[@annabea7692]

@Lima Papa What a lovely analogy! That you took time to make this comparison to wine is obvious. Many thanks for sharing your insight. God Bless, dear! 💘

[@jesusmind1611]

Where are you now my new friend, yes yes yes, the myth of human progress is like the time and space problem of physics (not available in your time and yet you seem to be ahead of your time in ways that are blowing my grievous and traumatized mind.) This guy is really really good I am graced to land here on this morning just as I was lamenting the bottomless and pointless garbage available to me on youtube. Thank you whoever put this together I have subscribed. I never push the like/dislike button and I have no money to offer you on patreon but much thanks to the channel whoever you are. My man CS Lewis!!! This has been a Grace in a horrid night of sleepless dreamless despair.

[@catified2081]

God can use any of the Devils tools for his own use! LOL

[@jeremiahmeade710]

@@catified2081 Actually all the tools are God's. If the prior is true, then your statement should be rendered: "God sometimes lets the Devil barrow His tools."

[@sparky3006]

Relax a bit man the war has been won you just need to run the race

[@mavisemberson8737]

Try Orthodox Theology. Time and Space are made by God.. read C S Lewis as a Professor who taught mediaeval literature. The Discarded Image. So it is an ancient idea. from the Classical Roman Period not new at all

[@NoGreaterLove111]

I always enjoy listening to C.S.Lewis. What a treasure, thank you for sharing these! In this case however I think mr. Lewis took the word 'generation' as used by Lord Jesus too literally perhaps. Which is human! As I have come to understand the word 'generation' was not meant to be taken as a literal generation of people who were alive at that specific time when Jesus spoke those words. I believe Jesus meant it within the context of a period or age. The Hebrew 'dor' stands for : period, dwelling, generation. We are still in that age, at the end of it I would expect although I could be wrong ofcourse. This age passes only at the coming of the new age, when He (Yeshua) Himself arrives as the King. God is not on a human timetable and I would expect Jesus to have used words which transcend their literal meaning in cases such as in matthew 24:34. He did not know the exact time of the greatest happening, just as He said, but He did not make any mistake in what He did say. he knew, but we often don't until we learn or until knowledge is revealed to us.

[@jesusmind1611]

In his children's book, "The Last Battle" the stars fell to the ground. This is a key for me and speaks to the end of the world as seen in visionary allegory. The second coming is like all the stars falling to the ground before our eyes. And speaking of non scriptural thoughts about this second coming, what the ego/mind sees as total catastrophe the soul/mind might see as liberation, and while the stars might be a metaphor for nuclear bombs on the head of missiles, it could be literal as well as when the sky is torn open for all seeing to no longer believe but to know. Beyond time and space is beyond me and my words I think Lewis is my new Best Friend

[@billbradleymusic]

Very nice.

[@ih82r8]

In Romans 8:19-23 the Bible reminds us that the world is currently in bondage to decay and eagerly awaiting the days for the sons of God to be revealed. In 2 Peter and Revelation 21 we read about the earth having been remade. Acts 3:21 reminds us that the time is coming for the restoration of all things.

[@sparky3006]

Not famous for nothin !

[@timteeple5667]

I like the book as a stepping up point for children and your analogy of stars as bombs...possiblabilities...recognition of a saviors return in the clouds I always prayed would precede this. I never speculate but like Mr. Lewis understand I do not know or will not know the day or the hour of the returning of my savior. You make an enjoyable underline in your feelings towards his work in a children's book.

[@jesusmind1611]

"When all the stars are falling down upon the sea and on the ground and angry voices carry on the wind, a beam of light will fill your head and you'll remember what's been said, by all the great men this world's ever known" The Moody Blues

[@jeremiahmeade710]

In other words: when your death is most eminent and clear: then you'll be most likely to actually kill your pride.

[@jeffreylardizabal3964]

When we have entirely died to the lust of the eyes and flesh and pride of life, and handed ourselves over to God's perfect will for our lives, we truly begin to live, to be filled with the 9-fold fruit of the Holy Spirit, always loving, joyful, peaceful, longsuffering, gentle, good, faithful, meek, and in self- control. Unless we do so we are charlatans and there is no truth in us.

[@pianomaly9]

All of us that are still on the road to the Heavenly City, We die daily, still crucifying the flesh. Until we meet Him, we'll still be unperfected lard balls.

[@thebacons5943]

“There's been rumors of war and wars that have been The meaning of life has been lost with the wind And there's some people thinkin' that the end is close by 'Stead of learnin' to live, they are learnin' to die Let me die in my footsteps before I go down under the ground” - Bob Dylan

[@adriennedunne1748]

I love CS Lewis. I've read many of his books and I admire him greatly but he wasn't always right. He said that Jesus was wrong about that generation not passing away until they saw the second coming. I'm paraphrasing. They saw it in a snapshot on the mount of transfiguration when they saw him with Moses and Elijah. These two represent not only the law and the prophets but also the two classes of people who will be with Jesus in the end. Those who have died and been resurrected ie Moses and those who will be taken to heaven without seeing death or Elijah. The saved I'm talking about. I will always be grateful to CS Lewis bit on this point he was wrong.

[@trafficjon400]

Be cause the generation was extended a bit where Jesus was seen with moses and a few and may be he all ready knew this small short generation. that happened then be for over with in history and it does not say then we shall see every thing and remembering becoming real life . we need to see the Bible Jesus generations of 1 or 2 3 Happened and history with nothing really efecting us for its pass history happened? it would be to much now as human to have a clue of what it means. He is man C.S and so are you and i . not mentioned by him for it can go on long in to full context. you and i in our life way's have done ways like this more than we know? yet we dare Correct this guy? i am not being a hypocritical and niether are you but yet we all are one. Yes this guy is great but this time shall pass two for it all way's does with out our control. Science has this little problem of Control as an ant controling some thing larger than Godzila but have not come to see but only his eyes see materially and only will except any thing else with proof . Science can't actually except the fact that everything they can't see is not real or aparent when reason and spirit explains better than what we see for evidence because it gives us when we let its awareness of power we hope and this time two shall pass we all live our short comings. ✌

[@AMcDub0708]

I always understood “this generation” to mean “this (future) generation”. It thoroughly bothers me that Lewis would say Jesus got ANYTHING wrong.

[@TracyW-me8br]

This is embarrassing but it took me two of these lectures to see the lion in the pipe smoke. Now I can’t unsee it. Very cool

[@heroldable]

Only two??

[@limapapa5242]

Embarassed? Don't be, if you had not mentioned it, I never would have looked twice. Thank you!

[@jeremiahmeade710]

F.Y.I.: The lion is, and, in my opinion, a very awe striking one at that (because of the great and beautiful nobility of it), a reference to Aslan from C.S. Lewis's only children's series he wrote: "The Chronicles of Narnia". I recommend you read it if you haven't already (The movies are pretty good too), in spite of it's intended audience. I also highly recommend, what in my opinion seems to very nearly be a science fiction version of The Chronicles of Narnia, C.S. Lewis's: "The Space Trilogy".

[@heroldable]

@@jeremiahmeade710 Det der er kult! C.S.Lewis was mighty used by God.

[@heroldable]

@@jeremiahmeade710 A great mind. Indeed!

[@zacharyvance2365]

And oh how true Lewis’s words ring. The one true sign of the end is the Gospel of Christ being proclaimed to all parts of the world. The disasters, corruption, and chaos that the world devolves into are only roadsigns. Once the Gospel is proclaimed the end will come.

[@lcarole3131]

I am so happy that I decided(!) to listen to this_what wonderful sense he makes of something that is often denounced as too abstract, esoteric, far-fetched,etc. Great monologue!

[@Zichronot]

† I'm on a Jesus binge. Devouring as much as possible. Debates, contemporary speakers, ancient writings, television, radio, KZbin for seminars and live worship.

[@thebacons5943]

Jesus Christ Superstar ;)

[@bispective]

Read the WORD

[@bispective]

I need to memorize it alll

[@PearlEGates-lp5fe]

Jesus help us be awake, be present, be faithful at our post, be ready….as we long for His return and the salvation of all. ❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️

[@joycekoch5746]

It's pathetic to think how many Christians have found difficulty considering CS Lewis as a born again Christian because he greatly enjoyed smoking his pipe.

[@rebanelson607]

That really is pathetic!

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

Such Christians assume perfection within themselves yet simultaneously coyly deny their stance.

[@joycekoch5746]

@@petercharnley7396 You are on the right track - one can go through the gate even if one is a briar friar.

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

@@petercharnley7396 - as long as we don’t come to His kingdom with our robes, but His, it’ll be fine.

[@pianomaly9]

@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid👌 His Tailor made robes.........otherwise we'll be given the ultimate bum's rush at the door. He talked about that.

[@martinbueno821]

jesus was never wrong at all. he spoke not from of his own accord but from god. all that he said in the scriptures is divinely inspired.

[@pianomaly9]

Muy bueno, Martin.

[@raunchyconservative9114]

God bless you brother, for you speak the truth. Christ is King

[@AMcDub0708]

Absolutely correct. And I believe when Jesus said “this generation”, it was implied “this future generation that I speak of”, but that his listeners misunderstood as CS and others still do this very day.

[@stevenkelly3501]

Thanks for putting these on KZbin! Much appreciated.

[@markbelden7461]

What Jesus means by "This Generation" does not necessarily need be what we think of as a "generation;" in fact, it can't be or our faith is already in vain. Consider "Generation" as an "Age" of undeterminable periods. Moreover, "soon" by its very nature is a relative term. Remain diligent before the "Gate" Brothers and Sisters. Keep your lamps full; for the Bridegroom shall return for his wedding day.

[@coloradowestaerialarts1316]

Good analysis. I noticed Jewish logic/composition includes the beginning and the end. Therefore they are masters of mathematics. Jesus could be referring to finding the truth of God in the disciple's time. The tree showing the change of its leaves with the seasons parable. Thr disciples plee for more plain language, but Jesus rebuking them since they dont appreciate something simple. The parable of the farmer and the seeds. God meets us in asking for truth. Kinda spooky concept. However to an omnipresent being, nothing is impossible. Jesus uses language perfectly. Shifting the intent of the heart with a question. Brilliant teaching. So I partially disagree with Lewis saying the generation wont pass away before the coming being an embarrassing passage. The meaning is hidden til the appointed time. If there is concern for my logic. Refer to jewish riddle traditions. It bends the mind how clever they word things.

[@samename1st]

History from a Biblical perspective is events playing out as a shadow of the main story of redemption, over and over again. Consider the history of Judges and the periods of exile, to the yearly liturgy of the Jews, all mirror THE Redemption story. The same mirroring is for Act 2 of THE Redemption story. Matthew 24:22 "And if those days had not been cut short [none] would be saves. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short". The change in tenses from past to future, along with this 'cutting short' speaks to this cycle of tribulation. Also consider the proximity difference in "THESE things" vs "but THAT day" signifying two events one near and one far off. The destruction of the temple was in that generation. No reason stretch the meaning of a word to interpret this passage. The mystery of Christ being Fully God and Fully man is beyond anyone's understanding, as is the distinct yet unity of the Trinity. I would disagree with the how it seems C.S. Lewis framed this passage.

[@wishIwuzskiing]

Agreed. A generation or age, in relation to the entirety of the time since Adam and Eve, can mean the age or generation of Christianity, the age with the unique blessing of the direct knowledge of Christ, of God's plan, of seeing the mercy of God. The generation with no remaining excuse as to claim to not understand God's will for us. A generation and those progeny, with the completely unique blessing who's ancestors literally walked with God and wrote down in great detail what Christ so desperately wants us to know how much we are loved and what responsibility that now obliges us in response.

[@nunyabidness5375]

You're all wrong and so was Lewis. Jesus reacted to the disciples' awe at Herod's temple by prophesying it's destruction. They then ask "when" and "what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?" (aion, not cosmos) He responds by describing the events that lead up to A.D. 66-70 including the siege and fall of Jerusalem and the diaspora of the Jews, warning that these events would occur before the current generation died out, and summing it up by saying: "For these are the days of wrath and vengeance upon *this people* , in which all that is written shall be *fulfilled* ." And that includes his "parousia ", His presence or visitation, as the instigator of the judgement that befell the apostate nation. So the"end" already came, and it was the end of national Israel under the old Covenant. Because Biblical prophecy was written to, by and about the Jews; and concerns their fate as a people and as people of God. Which fate was sealed in A D. 70. What confuses people is the "heavenly signs" language and the Lord "coming upon the clouds" language. The first is used repeatedly by prophets to depict various past judgements. Isaiah used it to predict the fall of Babylon. It was METAPHOR. The sun, moon and stars going out or falling down are the king, queen, princes, ministers etc. of the place under judgement being killed or thrown out of power. The earth quaking and shaking is the land itself being thrown into chaos. Both are the results of foreign invasion. The Lord "riding the clouds" is common imagery depicting God coming in war or judgement against His enemies and to rescue his friends. David described his escape from Saul's attempts to assassinate him in these terms, but it was poetic license. God didn't actually jump on a cloud or ride cherubim and attack Saul with heavenly fire...David dodged a javelin and hid in cave. It's hyperbole designed to exalt God. Same with Jesus and his coming upon the clouds. It's not a literal visual phenomenon. So JESUS WAS RIGHT when he said he would come back in the first century. And he told you exactly how to recognize it. But like his first coming, almost no one does.

[@neverquit9599]

@@nunyabidness5375 thank you for sharing the very well laid out events following Christs resurrection. And yes, I think we all accept that some of what Christ said was imagery which was commonly used because there was no other way to describe certain events or actions in a way understandable to people with our very material and physical thinking. But the references to stars falling from heaven, again clearly imagery, was referencing the END times, not the fall of Jerusalem. Christ made it clear that the Church would have to spread to the entire world before that happened and that was not hardly begun at 70 AD. So Revelation was speaking of a totally different time, at the end of all history, and the imagery makes it clear in Revelation that this coming would be the end of this world and a "New Jerusalem" would come to be, which was not a rebuilding of the Temple, which to date has not happened, but a very different kind of city that had no Temple because God Himself would be the Temple. So this is clearly not relating to the fall of Jerusalem. But the rest of what you laid out is all very well done and does act as a warning by Jesus that all the things they admired so much would be torn down. And His urging of the women on the way to the cross "Weep not for me, but for yourselves and your children" which was a much more imminent event, as you said, the destruction of Jerusalem and the horrible carnage, all in their lifetimes. As for clouds and cherubim we should not get stuck in our limited earthly thinking. God and the Trinity can do anything They choose! I have heard people try to explain the multiplication of the fish and loaves as "well, what probably actually happened was people just shared what they had". Limited thinking when we consider that through Jesus ALL THINGS CAME INTO BEING!!! Jesus could do whatever He wanted with anything from calming the sees, to healing His creatures, to manipulating simple food. So we are not in any position to say Jesus cannot ride a cloud if He chooses. If he can walk on water, riding a cloud is a snap!!

[@adambaker1467]

I hope I'm not the only one, but the narrator sounds like an NPC from Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, which makes it even more fun to listen too. Thankful for Lewis and his work.

[@billbradleymusic]

The moral; None of us know. Get passed it. Create instead of trying to guess.

[@annewelch9955]

A man with a brilliant mind. He can explain things in a great and simple way. Thanks so much for these wonderful videos.

[@mavisemberson8737]

Palestine was a British Mandate after the First World War when the Ottoman Turkish Empire was divided. This is what C S Lewis calls Palestine in 1951,. It ended with the creation of the state of Israel., arguably. The Mandate included Egypt which was part of the Ottoman Empire. Most people are not aware of the long lasting Empire of the Ottoman Turks, it appears from comments.

[@flashlitestriker4028]

NOTE: As I follow along, with C.S.Lewis' ACTUAL BOOK, plus using the "SUBTITLES/CLOSED CAPTIONS (C)" of this KZbin's VIDEO, the "closed captions" often MISINTERPRET the words spoken/narrated in this video, the words C.S.Lewis authored & wrote in this book, "The World's Last Night". Thus, please don't think, that by reading the "closed captions", here, that it is the same as "reading" this book.

[@deeveevideos]

He transposed me into a higher understanding! Jesus Chris is Lord

[@michaelart4878]

Christ Jesus, both King and High Priest. He sits at the right hand of Abba Father God. A-men'

[@michaelart4878]

God is Father. Christ is King. Holy Spirit is Comforter. A-men' 😘

[@CJBradley]

It's often the case that people who were ahead their time are never around when we need them. This man would run rings round so called academics of today, or anyone else for that matter.

[@debbieellett9093]

Truly.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

This is wonderful. God be praised!

[@cynthiachronister4082]

Lewis tozer and spurgeon what blessings from God🥰

[@benjaminvilla7601]

So many difficult words and the way he uses them I want to research them all to get a better understanding of what exactly he is saying

[@jesusmind1611]

I get confused by people who say those are big words because of my own excessive reading and vocabulary and all I think to myself is not how he uses so many big words but man he packs a lot into each statement and it flows quite nicely, too rich to catch it all. It's a lot to take in. I just try to listen with an empty mind and let it just kind of grow into me, even if I miss some vocab because of his accent. it's easier than research too. Just listen a second time or even wait a year and listen again. I kind of went off the rails in the comments here, please excuse me

[@mmprettypistol]

Read the Bible and God will speak to you plainly. Peace beyond all understanding

[@Naylor217]

I'm excited to open the dictionary myself.

[@waynehampson9569]

It proves how much the internet has dumbed-down people today.

[@billbradleymusic]

Inexplicit profundity.

[@rebanelson607]

This is brilliant!

[@gordonglennie4837]

Thanks. Mr Lewis

[@AMcDub0708]

The narrator reminds me of Brother Derek Prince.

[@ribonucleic]

As much as I enjoy Lewis’s apologetics, you see here the kind of circular reasioning he sometimes is forced to resort to. The more discrediting the tale of the evangelists tell is, the more honest they must be. The more that pre-Christian societies had their own myths of resurrected kings, the more evidence it must be that it was a spiritual anticipation of Christ. He says in Mere Christianity that we are to believe the religion on Jesus’ authority. But there is no basis at all for claiming that while he was humanly fallible in predicting the end of the world he must have been divinely correct about everything else.

[@christophersedlak1147]

God bless!

[@katherinefrangos8339]

Thankyou for the wonder of truth and clarity🏇😀🤌

[@jessicajordan0483]

Amen 🕊️💞🌈

[@TheophusSmithRevDr]

'This world has its own midnights, and not just a few.' -- Bernard of Clairvaux?

[@danieltan2869]

CS Lewis also writes, “You also are Psyche.”

[@monschilli4692]

Just a 💋 P.S. my auntie and she was always believing did give me one of his books 📚. The lion the witch and the wardrobe. And Albert Schweizer was part of or studied in school... in the 80'ies. Never stopp ask questions, our Lord is answering. Never ever Stopp asking, we have free will. Our almighty, holy and living God do not want robots... if he want robots it would have been super easy to make us robots. So why care? Why are there so many known people care about a crazy 😜 Lord or crazy Christians....why bother? Why bother who is the true one ...why fight? Why struggle, why censor?

[@amikkelsen]

The destruction of the temple in ad 70 seems like an apocalyptic event.

[@margaretdavis8113]

I have many versions of the Bible which I like to compare, but I am puzzled as to which version states that Jesus the Christ, ever lived in "Palestine". In fact, I have not yet found that place name associated with the Saviour in the Bible.

[@pianomaly9]

I think the Romans began to call it that after the destruction of the temple, their word for the land of the Philistines.

[@nateofthesevenhills]

The narrator sounds like the VA for the Breton and Jauffre from TES IV Oblivion....

[@jaceydurland9098]

Because it is the same man.

[@stevensprague7938]

The final few minutes are hard hitting. May we all be inspired to play our part to the best of our ability (and then lean on him for the rest). Even so, come Lord Jesus, come. ❤️

[@debbieellett9093]

Amen!

[@Lucky-ix2ic]

8:18 “My words shall not pass away. This generation shall live to see it..” I understand Jesus to be talking about humanity on earth, as opposed to the coming new heaven, the regeneration at the resurrection. I’m a little astounded that Lewis has taken this verse so narrowly.

[@ih82r8]

Yeah I picked up on that too. Matthew 24:3 has the disciples asking him when is the destruction of the temple, what are the signs of his coming and what sign of the end of the age. 3 totally separate events, but they didn't realize it. Everything he describes was correct. He said that the disciples would be martyrs and they were. They were part of the generation who would see these events begin to unfold. The order of events was not clear, but it's not incorrect. I tend to look at the chapter as one like a big checklist of things that either have, are or will happen.

[@joepetto9488]

Everyone will have a ‘last night’ and just like Christ coming to you, you may go to him before you know it. So be ready.

[@hannannah1uk]

What would he think of "progressives" and the Woke?

[@loremaster234]

You should look up some lectures by Ryan Reeves on KZbin. In one of his lectures on C.S. Lewis' space writings he points to Lewis' view of nihilistic atheism and the threat that it poses was inspired by his experience on college campuses. Hopefully that may serve as some sort of answer. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4LYeJ2fmtuZi7s kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWKZgaquetKmbsk Hope this helps. Christ bless you!

[@mavisemberson8737]

They were around then when he wrote in the 1950s

[@pianomaly9]

He already gave a reply to Sodom and Gomorrah.

[@amother31593]

who is the narrator?

[@rogerevans9666]

King Lear@18:32

[@katherinefrangos8339]

Thank you true clarety🤌🏇🤙

[@AKSnowbat907]

"This generation shall not pass until.." wasn't those who were alive.. it was we who are now adopted under Christ. Hence there are three generations of man. Garden to Abraham. Abraham to Christ Christ to end. We are the third generation of Gods Children.

[@krustysurfer]

The messiah was never ignorant in the human sense of ignorance... It is mans interpretation of scripture that is Ignorant, imperfect and flawed. The Pharisees suffered of such ignorance which the father was able to use to bestow salvation to all of mankind instead just to a few tribes out of many. God is great. Lewis makes a good stab at reconciliation between the ignorance of man and the Perfection of God.

[@John-bv2ft]

Great man

[@pianomaly9859]

One historical point here; Lewis errs on the date of Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen, it was begun and only one part of it (Die Walkure) finished around the time (mid 1850's) that Darwin's The Origin of Species appeared, the whole tetralogy wasn't performed until 1876.

[@mavisemberson8737]

It was the idea expressed in Wagner's works. These were earlier in the 18th C. and held by philosophers like Rousseau

[@uiPublic]

Allow a first Martyre cast any doubt on Christ's saying of His Kingdom's alike procrastinate Peter's over John as it's surely about their lifetime cut short for His sake as Heavenly seat.

[@leebruno1722]

I wish I could be friends with everyone in this comment section

[@jesusmind1611]

I have one objection with Lewis here, the Last Judgement could also be literal. Yet Lewis seems to be assigning human characteristics to God or Christ. I think every religious person on the planet does this too. But look here at this: Judgement is over, hence the Last time judgement needs to be made rather than a traditional verdict; thumbs up or down as the Romans once did in public court. Sorry old chum but not a final grade rather the "wisdom of those who Judge" is over, allegory only to those who find God fearful (as I do) but think again, is the emphasis upon Judgement or the last time we need such fears? When our judgements are done and the Return is upon us the idea of "vengeance is mine say the Lord" is no longer scary, give Him your vengeance and your judgments and all will be well. Just saying. I've been here for hours and finally have the joy to disagree, but man this guy is GOOD!! The Devil is my ego but I wish you were alive to discuss such thoughts.

[@pianomaly9859]

What is Lewis contending for here other than a literal Last Judgement? Are you perhaps thinking along the lines of John 12:31,"Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out." ? Perhaps I don't follow your intention clearly.

[@dr.zoidberg5096]

I think Lewis is contending for a literal return but its amusingly hard to understand his points at times. Jesus Mind makes a great point though

[@mysticmeadowshomestead6209]

I believe in Resets. I do think the end of that world happened in John's lifetime. And again in year 1,000 A.D. and again in 1850s A.D.

[@AMcDub0708]

That’s totally unbiblical. Fine if you believe that, but don’t call it Christianity (not that you did).

[@mysticmeadowshomestead6209]

@@AMcDub0708 If someone does everything that it takes to be a Christian, then why would you judge them to not be a Christian? Kicking Adam & Eve out of the garden was a reset; Noah's flood was a reset; Sodom & Gormorrah was a reset; when the world is destroyed by fire that will be a reset; so there are some reasons to think that. You don't have to agree if you don't want to though. This isn't an article of faith (something that must be believed to be a Christian in good standing).

[@stevef105]

I must correct the use of the word Palestinian; he was a Jew from Israel, the word Palestine was an attempt to erase the Jew and the land Israel from history By the Roman Hadrian and just like Hitler he failed.

[@debbieellett9093]

One hundred percent correct. I wish those who currently hate Israel could understand the Jewish people lived there long before Hadrian named it Palestine because the Palestinians have persecuted the Jewish people for as long ago as the Jewish nation has been on the earth.

[@kayguidry6047]

KZbin would not let me subscribe

[@freeblom]

Post Millennialism solves the problem of Christ supposed false prophecy, which I don't think is something we should easily accept, and is very surprising to hear from Lewis. Christ was prophesying of the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the Judaic age, which did come within one generation in 70 AD. Look up Doug Wilson or Jeff Durbin for more and better explanations

[@CSLewisessays]

I agree

[@Lakeslover1]

But Jesus didn’t get it wrong ! The true translation is not “ generation”, it’s “ race”. This changes everything.

[@ih82r8]

What's a generation anyway? We can't even agree on the actual number of years that makes up a generation. I've seen millennials described using at least 4 different sets of years.

[@Kws50201]

According to the Bible a generation is... 3 score (3×20=60) and 10 - thats 70 years. Or by strength... 4 score - thats 80 years

[@macho13us]

10:30 fails to understand that jesus when he said "this generation will see the coming of the son of man" he was talking about the generation that sees the fig tree "israel" come back to life in 1948, that generation will see the coming of jesus. If a generation according to psalm 20 is 70 -80 years . How close are we? Jesus wasn't ignorant, he was talking about the rebirth of Israel. Cj Lewis is one of the most brilliant minds but the Lord have shown this to the generation that will see it come to pass, Wich it is me and u. Gj dint understand this mystery because it wasn't for his time but for our generation . Marenatha

[@HLysimon]

I agree, I did not agree with his declaration that Jesus is ignorants with his assumption of the end. Jesus actually did predict the destruction, in 66AD war between the Jews and Romans broke out leading to the complete destruction of the Temple and the rest of the city. Over a million Jewish people dead. It happened to the people and that generation Jesus was speaking to. This is what I think was what Jesus was predicting in the first part of his sermon regarding the end times and his return. I still think there will be and end and return of Jesus, like the Bible says no one can predict it.

[@AM-os4ty]

Israel is a modern secular nation. Israel as Scripture means it post Christ are all sincere Christians. The children of Abraham do the work of Abraham

[@macho13us]

@@AM-os4ty Christians are drafted to the fig tree read "romans", but God will save a remnant of the elect"israelies". If their rejection is salvation to the church imagine when they Are revived but life to all ,also said in romans. God has a generational promise to Abraham (isralies) and a spiritual promise (all nations)by faith we come into the promise made by God. Praise God!

[@mavisemberson8737]

@@AM-os4ty That is the position of the Orthodox Church, too

[@thecryptogauntlet1569]

CS misunderstood that Christ was talking about the generation that would see the Anti- Christ standing in the holy place. Yahshua knew that the temple was going to be torn down so he wasn't talking about that current generation but the one to come after the temple has been rebuilt again.

[@terryhavener4273]

What if Jesus wasn’t talking about the end of the world? What if He was talking about the end of something else?

[@tomstibbs2977]

Regarding the olivet discourse and the Loeds prophetic utterance that this generation shall not pass way until all these things take place was fulfilled in Ad 70 when vespasian assault and seige upon Jerusalem and the jews having the vision of the son of man coming in Judgment as Jerusalem fell is true..even Josephus documents chariots and angelic observations in the night skies above Jerusalem that he said he documented umder duress that those wjo later read he writings would think him mad...the Lord was not ignorant...the Son of man dis come upon Jerusalem with judgment as he did in 586bc when Solomons Temple was destrroyed. For furthur reading RC Sprouls the last days according to Jesua sheds much light on the fact Jeaua was mot wrong or ignorant..the partial preterist view of apocalyptic eschatological theology shows clearly that when Lewis said he wasn't a theologian he was clearly wrong and in more than one sense since we are all theologians, while the pressing issue we really face then is the question of whether we are good or bad theologians...whatever our state regarding this matter is always premised by the truth that we can all be better by Gods grace

[@jentheredhead4698]

"this generation" does not mean that generation. Jesus is talking about a future generation. We and the disciples are dumb. Lol, Jesus makes this known many times cuz he has to dumb it down by his use of parables. Too bad CS Lewis got that wrong but got so much more right

[@augustbruce]

Rubbish----apparently Jesus was speaking of the "generation" which experiences the tribulation not the generation He lived in. To suppose Jesus was "ignorant" of this and mistaken is just silly rubbish.

[@YesuAiNimen]

Bingo!

[@FedExMan822]

Unless John is in fact still alive...

[@michaelart4878]

...and living in unbelief, the mother of all sin.

[@daveappleton2610]

There is no such thing as a first century Palestinian! The Romans renamed Israel to Palestine around 120 AD...FYI.

[@ih82r8]

Agreed.

[@thebacons5943]

Palestine is the name of the region. When the word originated doesn’t matter. Israel was a kingdom and is now the name of a nation state.

[@daveappleton2610]

@@thebacons5943 It certainly does matter...to refer to that region as Palestine before 120 AD is just factually and historically wrong.

[@mavisemberson8737]

The Greeks knew that area as Palestine before the Romans. later Romans designated part of that region as Palestine. The Palestinian Mandate went to Britain as the Ottoman Turkish Empire was dismantled after the First World War. In the Second World War it was still a British mandate. Israel 's name is now applied to a nation state in that region. So Palestine to C S Lewis was that region of the Mandate.

[@kevinoneil56]

Lewis is brilliant, but not perfect. Jesus did not live in "1st Century Palestine." He was born in Judea (Bethlehem), lived in Israel (Galilee), died and rose again in Judea (Jerusalem). The name Palestine did not exist until 135 AD.

[@NobodyIshere70]

But Jesus was Jewish not palestinian

[@mavisemberson8737]

Palestine was a country in the time of the Roman Empire www.bible-history.com/maps/romanempire/

[@Matt77125]

The Palestinians of today are the descendants of the people who lived there in the time of Jesus, modern day Israelis are European genetically and have moved there in the last century.

[@catified2081]

@@Matt77125 nope....... Jews have always lived in what has been called Palestine. It's a liberal myth there were no Jews in Palestine until 100yrs ago. It's a miracle there were even Jews left on the planet to return to Isreal. How the heck could such a small group of people, persecuted by ever nation the lived in survive without God's help? Ps. Where are the Roman's?

[@hannannah1uk]

@@catified2081 Tony Sppranos said to a Jew who asked the same question: "WE are the Romans!"

[@hannannah1uk]

@@catified2081 yes the Left are desperate to side with the Muslims against the Jews. Satan in action.

[@Morewecanthink]

Embarrassing is only that this verse so badly was misunderstood even by C.S. Lewis. This generation that will experience Daniel's 70th week for Israel is the generation that will not pass away until everything which is described in Matthew 24 for that time has happened: Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matthew 24, 34‭-‬35

[@dking6297a]

Basis?

[@Morewecanthink]

@@dking6297a - Matth 24, Daniel, Jer. 30, 7, Revelation

[@pianomaly9]

I think you've got the right solution ........it puzzled me for years but linking it with week 70 makes real sense.

[@Morewecanthink]

​@@pianomaly9 - Yes, and makes any attempt of date-setting meaningless and erroneous.