Garry Kasparov | Coaching Magnus & Hikaru, Match VS Kramnik, AI & Computer Era

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00:00 intro
00:31 Rona "Garry, I feel sorry for you."
02:59 Emotions in chess
09:50 Why was Garry so dominant for decades?
14:39 Garry's leaked database
20:28 working with computers
23:32 how much do you trust the engine?
27:37 how does Fabi deals with dependency on engines?
30:37 Garry as a coach to Magnus
45:11 Garry as a coach to Hikaru
50:20 Author
54:54 Why did Magnus did not defend the title?
58:13 Garry as an organizer
1:04:10 how do you feel about playing chess these days?
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[@csqpod]

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[@mikecroke6078]

I think we need a goat with fabi hair and glasses.

[@tagheuer001]

What's with the cafeteria lighting/spotlight? Lower and softer light would be 10x better. Christian's skin tone looks ghostly is some shots!

[@JoshuaFranta]

Love your podcast. One bit of feedback- sometimes when you have super-high-level guests like Kasparov, he's explaining something that C^2 understand inately but your guests don't have the same experience. This is an opportunity for one of the Cs to elaborate for more of a lay/YT audience

[@ducesx]

Det 0:49 a

[@alcubierrevj]

"As long as you compete against your own excellence, you never run out of opponents". Profound!

[@yajurVeda]

Fabis greatness is shown in this podcast. Spoke minimally (just asked questions), listened with intrigue and when Gary praised Hikaru and Magnus, you could not sense even an iota of brashness (like some people hint at some events where they were brilliant just to earn their praise, Fabi could have easily brought up Sinq 2014 or spoken more on his recent run or something like that in some context and earned praise).a lot to lean as a person from Fabi in this podcast, thanks

[@b3rno]

What happened in Sinq 2014, can you elaborate on that?

[@bohrierpokemonvideos392]

​@@b3rnoHe won 8 or 9 games of chess in a row vs the best dudes in the world in classical chess which is never seen nowadays esp so recent as 2014

[@KenLongTortoise]

He is stable and mature. Next world champion

[@ziadkhayat7299]

@@b3rnoit was a double round robin tournament with six participants, that were, if not the six best players in the world, damn close to it. Fabi won his first seven games than drew the remaining three, winning the event with what I believe is the highest performance rating ever to this day.

[@georgeray649]

Good one bro

[@noone-ld7pt]

It is just insane to me that we can watch 2 of the 3 only players to breach 2850 (live rating) ever just sit down and chat like this, completely for free. It is truly a special privilege to live in a time where we as chess fans get these intimate insights into the absolutely brilliant minds that have formed the game for decades!

[@AdityaPal_sciencepal]

0:00 Intro 0:35 Garry becoming WC 3:00 Chess emotions of winning/losing 4:30 Thoughts after Kramnik Match / Rematch? 9:54 why was Garry so dominant 12:18 working with very first computers (+bonus Garry's iconic laugh) 14:40 Garry's old analyses leaked + old vs new analyses 18:10 Psychology playing a part in chess? 19:40 Fabi's motivation 20:28 computer vs over-the-board work 23:33 trusting engines 30:38 Garry's early coaching with Botvinnik 36:09 Garry coaching US juniors 37:25 Garry coaching Magnus + Magnus' weakness 42:08 Losing some skills while rounding as a player? 45:11 coaching Hikaru + differences with Magnus 46:30 Hikaru's comeback 50:21 most significant chess players in history 54:55 why Magnus stopped playing WC 58:13 Garry the organizer + Grand Chess Tour 1:01:46 contribution of St. Louis to chess 1:04:04 Kasparov Chess Foundation in Europe 1:04:36 Garry's feelings playing chess now 1:07:11 Outro

[@PaulAndersonENG]

Thankyou!

[@isaacbugalho]

Thanks!!

[@YOSOYLADISCO]

you missed the little orgasm at 58:03

[@mousabashir8836]

This is Gary Kasparov everyone. Let us appreciate that we are part of this generation to witness history.

[@rrrrtre4820]

The symbol of chess 🐐

[@kingtaj]

And so much credit to Cristian and Fabi for creating an environment and conversation to let Garry really be himself and talk passionately about the game he loves. As good as Cris is as chess and coaching, his interview skills are perhaps even better.

[@patrickpet7905]

He is simply the GOAT only because he is the few WC that didn't go batshit crazy..

[@Grug123]

Thanks for pointing it out, wasnt quite sure.

[@mjgaming0856]

the real garry chess

[@pathofmelee6746]

getting garry to make an interview here is like a dream come true from my childhood, thans c-squared team, much love

[@mikecroke6078]

Get your popcorn and gather round folks.

[@msachet]

Exactly!

[@FerrisMcLauren]

You're pathetic

[@kingtaj]

This might be one of my favorite roundtable chess discussions ever. C-Squared continues to make legendary chess content that will be relevant for years to come. Thank you, gents.

[@spidyduzit]

In both chess and life, there always another move - Garry Chess

[@furkankarakaya26]

This podcast is HISTORIC

[@u.v.s.5583]

History speaks for itself!

[@deadpooldeadpool665]

Except the part where he considered Kramnik above Anand

[@jaytirth]

That was expected. Kasparov never liked Anand much.

[@LateCloser]

I will never forgive Kramnik for disallowing the rematch. However, I also was unhappy that Shirov did not get his opportunity. The great irony of the game of chess is that it may be the most fair and balanced game ever created. Yet, it can be the opposite outside of the 64 squares it is played on. Great interview.

[@seya_2]

Im conclusion Kramnik is full of shit

[@winrar42]

#2 and #3 highest rated players of all time in a conversation. amazing

[@giggitygoo5623]

And I am the #4 best player watching this podcast

[@futuropasado]

rating is not all, more considering these times with machines... Garry and Fisher had less help from machines.

[@misteratoz]

​@@futuropasado rating is all.

[@futuropasado]

@@misteratoz nope. old ELO was more valuable. Todays elo rating has less value in comparison because of tech power, human chess power increases along that. Can you imagine Kasparov or Fisher with todays computer help?? Maybe you can, thats why you cant compare today players ELO with old players elo and say Rating is all.

[@misteratoz]

@@futuropasado lol k.

[@nilent]

"You can't fight age"...so true, yet Kasparov's joy and spirit remain at 100%!

[@SRMi]

That example Caruana gave about Fritz being totally misguided against Stockfish was very interesting. Very relevant now too with us increasingly trusting what AI tells us even without understanding how it has reached it's conclusions.

[@ChocolateMilk..]

*its

[@greense65]

When I watch Hikaru analyze games, he's constantly say, "The computer says white/black is better, but I don't know why."

[@spiked415]

Kasparovs charisma radiates through, truly a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve

[@sliceserve234]

easy now, he is clearly in the running for the greatest chess player in history, but let's just say he isn't thought of as a nice guy by anyone

[@spiked415]

@@sliceserve234 charisma doesnt necessarily equal nice

[@sliceserve234]

@@spiked415 sigh

[@Phurngirathaana]

Brutal honesty is a hallmark of all these legends Anand Carlsen Kasparov Even Caruana! Hope be becomes world champion!

[@TandemKnights]

We need a podcast with Magnus, Fabi, Gary and Hikaru, wow would that be insane!

[@kingtaj]

Unless you add Cristian, it would be so awkward lol. Though I have to give Fabi some credit as a moderator. Imagine being a top-3 player in the world and week after week patiently listening to your guests rhapsodize the other top players while you calmly maintain your roll as gracious host. Props Fabi.

[@TandemKnights]

@@kingtaj I was only talking about guests, of course Christian would be the moderator, it's his podcast. lol

[@seya_2]

​@@kingtajChristian is a gm also I'll remind you. He knows more about chess than 99% of the people watching it

[@u.v.s.5583]

No, we need the real stars. Agdam, Sagar, Gotham. Hans could be the host.

[@albe7292]

I would add Ivanchuk in that group Glad you didn''t include Anish.

[@MM-gk1tm]

I saw Kasparov play in the WTC when I was 10 - I have followed his whole career and people are too hard on him, let him be human and appreciate the great things he brings to the table. Thank you for the podcast.

[@carlosalcibiades2065]

It's always a pleasure to listen to Garry. A brilliant mind and a role model.

[@Truffle_Pup]

I got into chess because my grandad bought me a Kasparov electric chess machine. I stayed with chess because I found out who Garry was as a person. This is an excellent conversation, and I'd genuinely love to meet Garry one day.

[@josiahmacfarlane4344]

Starting the podcast video with a clip of Gary's worst blunder is so funny to me

[@xxxxxxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Can you elaborate?

[@josiahmacfarlane4344]

At 0:00, that's a video of a blitz game of Kasparov Vs Anand, and Kasparov made a huge binder, and he himself called it his biggest blunder of his entire career.

[@chicassoproductions8527]

Maybe he requested it that way? Only thing I think makes sense.

[@nikamumladze8220]

mr garry chess himself!👑

[@B-fq7ff]

Gary Chess inventor of chess

[@shumbuk4383]

So interesting hearing all the chess history from the source himself...31:54 saying Nikitin spotted him playing for board 5 for the Azeri team and sent an invitation to meet Botvinnik...and that must be the same co-author of the Sicilian Scheveningen book by Kasparov that I read years ago! So funny how the same names pop up.

[@chadmacgargle5311]

How long have we been waiting to have Garry on C2! Thank you Grand Master Kasparov for sharing your time with us! ❤️

[@vatsalmakol7]

You guys are literally the best and bringing literally THE BEST people. Super lucky to watch these people. I guess Magnus would be coming soon, would be super epic seeing Fabi and Magnus together in a podcast🔥❤️

[@ParanoidAandroid]

Wow, tremendous respect for the living legend, Garry Kasparov.

[@Phurngirathaana]

So heartwarming to see Kasparov laugh😊

[@TheKnightBlade4]

Good this Garry was able to travel all the way from The Shire to do this interview.

[@u.v.s.5583]

Eagles flew him straight to Mordor.

[@RPGgamer1010220]

What? Kasparov? I never thought they'd actually do it. That's amazing!

[@VARMOT123]

Vishy's contribution is inspiring as whole damn chess nation at 53:00

[@drthvdr2802]

Man I was just watching his interviews with Levitov chess. Kasparov is such a genius I've read all of My Great Predecessors went through every game now going through Kasparov on Kasparov vol 2 its amazing.

[@FKing85]

Has your level of chess increased after vol1?

[@NikoBased]

Kasparov is world class when it comes to chess, but I wouldn't call him a genius. Average intelligence probably. Whenever Kasparov talks about topics other than chess, he says ignorant stuff pretty regularly. Kasparov believed the myth that a grand masters brain burns thousands of calories during a match. This would be like a genius believing if you swallow a piece of bubble gum, it stays in your stomach for 7 years.

[@andrewzolotukhin6043]

​@NikoAniki6 he also was believing in the New Chronology (by Fomenko) 😂 and let's not mention what he says when it comes to politics 😅

[@Zveruidfly]

@@NikoBased You burn thousands of calories a week even while sleeping. The ignorant one here is obviously you. Don't comment on stuff you have no idea about, please.

[@Zveruidfly]

@@andrewzolotukhin6043 I guess you are a great Putin lover. A typical Russian troll working for 50 roubles, poor guy, I feel sorry for you. :)

[@amirovsky2012]

Many thanks for the video. I grew up with Kasparov world champion and number 1 and it's interesting to know some details of his chess life career.

[@AlexBanzea]

Edit:the final moment between Garry and Fabi was so wholesome! Feel privileged to be here early! 🙈

[@guypmiller]

"passion kept me going. the fire that was never extinguished." love that. passion is exactly what seems to be missing from professional sports in America today.

[@GodBeluga0]

This video should hit at least a million. Common guys

[@marcbarreiro9311]

Very interesting episode! I would love to see Peter Leko on the podcast, I'm sure he has many stories to share!

[@htetmyatoo9105]

This!!!

[@t19563]

Just want to comment for the algorithm and how underrated this podcast is!!

[@aldocaraig]

I rarely finish a chess video this long. But hey this is The Great Garry Kasparov. Thank you C-Squared.

[@some______guy]

He's such a special person.

[@drbrightrules8397]

Its great to be able to hear thoughts and stories first hand from such a legend, truly a unique time to be alive.

[@ctsirkass]

What Gary says about work is so true. I've never worked on something in my life that did not pay dividents later on.

[@retrospect]

Incredible

[@NotAllWhoWanderAreLost641]

Oh shit they got Gary on the pod!? Bois we made it

[@MrThuralion]

Now this is a pleasant surprise!

[@harryh2185]

I wish they had asked him about the future of Kasparovchess

[@paulmitchell5349]

Only 2 lost games out of 60. Kramnik these days would say that was ''interesting''. Hikaru covers this point very well.

[@SathvickSatish]

What a great podcast! Garry is a LEGEND!

[@hasanelias8878]

This is one of the best interviews about chess I have seen in the last years. Keep going!

[@jimmytwotimes802]

Someone who is champion for that long, deserves a rematch. I wish we could've seen a Kasparov vs Kramnik 2.

[@dittofilms]

the inventor of chess!!!!!

[@shashvatrules94]

Second and third highest rated players of all time sit down and talk chess! Goated pod

[@SinminerGaming]

This is a great interview. Props guys.

[@kafkaesquee521]

Another wonderful episode guys, as always. One suggestion: The start seems so sudden whenever there is a guest. Would feel more natural and fitting if you guys would welcome him on camera, and introduce him to the audience. Asking a question as soon as the camera starts rolling, feels kind of awkward.

[@slumpdrone314]

Love that Kasparov came on. Love the pod. Look into better lighting. Love yall regardless.

[@jeremyshields8285]

Garry is a truly brilliant individual. It is always a pleasure to listen to him, regardless of the topic he's discussing.

[@youssefrahoui5965]

You can feel the respect and silent admiration from the hosts.

[@chubychops]

Can’t wait to watch this after work.

[@viriatoferreira16]

Great interview Christan, Fabi! Congrats! The last time I saw something so much instructive was in the book about the great Kasparov "Mortal Games". Cheers from Portugal! "Viriatovitch"

[@dromadrosis]

Wow, guys... this is a precious Christmas Special 🙂 Thank you so much!!!

[@KingPerun]

You could not see that Gary invented chess from how humble he spoke

[@klatchabobby]

So glad to see you interviewing Gru from Despicable Me, I had no idea Gary Kasparov was a voice actor

[@shumbuk4383]

oh man..lol

[@tasdourian]

This is really great. Would love for you to have him on again two or three more times. Your approach is perfect, too-- real questions, no hero-worship stuff. Kasparov seemed quite at ease, which made him more spontaneous.

[@sushinfudoshin8991]

What a great show ! what great questions ! I thoroughly enjoyed the video. Thank you.

[@vixr9557]

he mentioned for Fabi chess is first and foremost work and for Anish he really enjoys the process

[@TandemKnights]

What a legend and what a treat, great podcast!!

[@unstoppablefederici]

👀greetings from Levitov Chess for all our friends

[@benjaminmagnum4062]

Kasparov: legend, GOAT contender. Chirilluana: legendary podcast duo.

[@ujjwalprakash3170]

52:28 magician is mentioned❤

[@indigochild2.098]

Woooooiiiiiiii!!!!!!! Lets go Big upload from Christian, Fabi and The other GOAT! i luv me some Garry Kasparov! what a legend

[@the_Rade]

The more I listen to different chess players, the more I appreciate Fabiano. He is always clear, coherent and rational. Unlike many top rated chess players.

[@alinaor29]

WHAT A POWERFUL VIDEO!!KASPAROV!!

[@coelho2825]

"loosing is a warning (that you need to grow and study)"

[@Megaloblocks]

The Guest in this show are really good Quality thanks for doing this podcast ❤

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

What a wonderful interview. Gary gave a great perspective on chess history that I liked much better than his books on world champions, and Fabi was so laid back and calm. I would love to see Fabi as world champion.

[@bendewolff5994]

Thank you for giving us a great podcast. Your content is fantastic. really appreciate the fact that as a chess fan with a rating of 1200 i can watch your podcast. You keep it simple and at a level everyone can enjoy

[@DJ-Art-Morris]

This was great. Thanks guys 🙌🏼

[@gchomuk]

Great interview. I've been away from chess fo a couple decades. Enjoyed GK's perspective.

[@RaphaelCosteau]

Could you include time stamped sections in the video for the topics please?

[@parascitzo9455]

Garry asked about coaching Magnus and goes on to talk more about himself than answering the question xD

[@Joe-og6br]

Interesting part is him saying Magnus didn't like it being unbalanced. I wonder if that's why Magnus does intentional blunders online. People say it's memes but actually it's just helping him keep sharp..

[@Jack78680]

HELL YES. Now we just need magnus and we are done for life.

[@bombsquid6436]

Imagine sitting by a table with Gary Kasparov!🤩

[@chrisdavidson8525]

So happy you had Kasparov on the show!

[@bv001122]

It is unfathomable to have an hour+ interview, talk about the greats of all eras and not even mention Vishy Anand! Anand transcends generations and styles of chess and stayed at the very top for so long and still there!

[@stoutlager6325]

Awesome, guys. Garry is the best interview in chess by far.

[@Alex-oy6ss]

true. the most intellectual, charismatic, interesting person in chess world

[@SveinKjenner]

Great interview. Alway a pleasure to to learn more from Kasparov. Also here there were many good, intelligent questions from the interviewers. Very good :-)

[@lennypinskiy6598]

All I can say about this podcast is "Wow". Thanks for putting a smile on my face this morning.

[@paularized1]

Interesting hearing Fabi talk about the engine saying a position is winning but that you still have to be able to find it. That was pretty true in his last game of the candidates, which I think he was too hard on himself about. Especially the Ka1 vs Ka2 move. Ka1 was such a natural move.

[@vixr9557]

great interview guys!

[@yabuki4608]

The GOAT

[@blueguitarist]

That's fischer

[@yabuki4608]

​​​​​@@blueguitarist Kasparov has 6 world championships, 15 yr championship reign, and 20 yr #1 rating reign. Fischer might have a case to be the most gifted (even thats debatable) but his resume doesnt hold a candle to Garry Chess.

[@sameermana2003]

​@@blueguitaristmost talented blip in chess...not even close to being the GOAT

[@jal2550]

I love Garry....terrible politics, but what a legendary player.

[@markaustin3299]

He's maybe the best example I can think of that just because you're a genius doesn't mean your politics can't be completely idiotic!

[@chabilkansal1658]

Would love know Garry's perspective about whether the current format/structure of the World Championship effectively identifies the world's best chess player. I think this was one of the reason given by magnus at some point.

[@StevenStJohn-kj9eb]

The man is energy incarnate!

[@adrianzahid]

What's crazy about this interview is that the world number 2 (Kasparov) in history, in terms of ratings left the game left 20 years ago, and the world number three at the same table, and Kasparov has not yet been passed.

[@KironKabir]

18:38 very good advice in life

[@therealbs2000]

I AM NOT READY FOR THIS

[@Benny_Benoni]

Yall epic for this one..

[@michaeloconnor6264]

Great Pod. Thanks Gary

[@KentsRandomLeftoverVideos]

Packet with legendary inspiration and one-liners

[@md.mohaiminulislam9618]

I think it was more about the preparation vs the gain for magnus. The time he has to put in preparation was too much compared to his monetary gain from playing all the shorter time formats tournaments leading up to it. Plus the rigid format of only timed classicals, he wanted other formats added in to match the current climate of shorter matches which helps distinguishing the mastery in different formats rather than the overly prepared boring draws in classicals.