Running Windows 11 On 20 Year Old Hardware

[@RebornAudio]

2GB RAM in 2004 for a classroom PC definitely wasn’t standard!

[@sihamhamda47]

Having 2GB RAM in 2004 PC is like having a 32GB RAM on today's PC

[@mad_mario_]

@@sihamhamda47 Maybe even more 😅

[@СергейД-ч4ь]

Absolutely! I remember that in 2005 working in Russian bank I had 1GB Pentium 4 PC. And back then it seemed to be crazy RAM amount. Even though I worked with heavy Excel tables.

[@hermanwooster8944]

@@mad_mario_ Definitely more. Most people did not have 2GB of RAM when Vista came out in 2006, and that OS sucked up ~1GB of RAM, leaving you with only 1GB of RAM left for applications. It was a disaster, especially when manufacturers were still selling laptops with 1 to 1 1/2 GB of RAM. Those machines quickly turned into stuttering messes.

[@dglcomputers1498]

I think our Schoolcare? Branded machines had 512Mb of RAM at most and that would have been around the same time. Given we were still rocking 300Mhz PII machines running 98se for doing the registers and only one computer room had XP machines anything was an upgrade!

[@Ben333bacc]

2 GB of RAM would have been an absolute shit-ton in 2004.

[@StuffJason437]

I have a pentium 4 system that's capable of 4GB of ram as it's designed more as desktop server than consumer or school PC. Also, these school PC's by RM are actually built better compared to few consumer grade multi-media PC's that came out during the Vista & 7 days.

[@xtxo]

my 2007 pc had only 512mb and i got it for *gaming*

[@Pasi123]

Most DDR1 boards were able to take 2GB to 4GB and DDR2 boards 4GB to 8GB depending on how many slots they had. But of course normally you would have paired the P4 3.0GHz with 512MB or 1GB RAM.

[@surfeurdestemps3193]

And with Asus K7V and athlon 800 Mhz with 1.5Go is it possible? 😂

[@dallesamllhals9161]

@@xtxo PLEASE be: 2x256MB Dual-channel...then?

[@S0urceror]

You have a point. Progress the last 20 years is much less and more incremental then the period 80s and 90s which was revolutionary.

[@am_pm.17]

Just like mobile and smart phones. Progress was rapid in the 2000s and then the 'OS wars' of early 10s, now it's very incremental with barely any exciting innovation left.

[@Zuerst93]

​@am_pm.17 the cutting edge at the moment is in quantum computing IMO and not in average consumer desktops.

[@balkloth]

@@Zuerst93so cutting edge it has no real consumer purpose

[@Zuerst93]

@balkloth Yeah you could have said the same about the traditional computer back in the 40s and 50s. Super big, expensive, impractical and had no real use outside of niche tasks that likely wasn't worth the cost at the time. And yet, look at where they are today.

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

The Pentium 4, especially the later 64-bit ones, are like a magic number for newer software. It's the oldest you can go and still be able to run most programs and OSes from today.

[@ctrlaltrees]

They really are, it's amazing how modern they still are. I guess that's why there's no real love for them from the retro crowd.

[@AnthonyManzio]

@@ctrlaltrees You should do a low level format first.

[@doomer37]

It's that SSE2 support that most modern software NEEDS, the Pentium 4 had it first in 2000.

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

@doomer37 Bingo. I never realized just how much stuff needed it until I tried running newer stuff on my Pentium 3 machine.

[@cian87]

They're also the newest you can go for some old software - I've a Pentium D machine, so a tiny bit newer, running BeOS that can also run Windows 10 (if I breach BeOS's RAM limit)

[@chainq68k]

Honestly, if the web tech stack wasn't a bottomless pit of uncontrolled bloat, a 20+ years old computer would be perfectly usable to this day, on a slightly trimmed down OS. KZbin's video stream would be perfectly watchable on it in 720p, if not full HD, in something like VLC, if the megabytes of Javascript and all sorts of fancy layering crap wouldn't grind it to a halt. This isn't just true for early 2000s PCs, but G4/G5 Macs, and the like. Almost all of the extra horsepower and hardware acceleration, and multiple cores in a modern system is just used up to deal with the web bloat. Almost anything that has native code (not you, Electron "apps"), works just fine. This kind of experience is pretty well known from the Raspberry Pis, as you also mention it... I'm very appalled by the modern software. The future we were promised was so much better...

[@nickwallette6201]

Truth. Going to a typical forum, with its top, side, and bottom floating ad viewers will spin up the fans I hardly realized existed on my Mac Mini 2018, and make the back of my phone hot to the touch. Everything else, including 3D CAD and multichannel audio applications -- no problem at all.

[@JohnDaubSuperfan369]

Amen. Good luck educating the average airhead on web bloat though!

[@mojave5661]

couldn't have said it better myself

[@chriswatt2702]

@@nickwallette6201adding a Pi 3 or 4 to your router could help. I recommend PiHole for filtering Ad Trackers from my entire network.

[@Biaanca5036]

Experienced the same issue with RPis😅. It's the same with my 20 year old laptop as well. Perfectly fast machine with only 512 megs of ram and a single core, slow internet browser. To get around that I actually link it up with a more powerful laptop and just browse the web over remote desktop. Can watch HD videos with sound, perfectly.. order pizza, etc etc etc. I'll say though: period-correct software from the old days makes all the difference in speed(at least - .on the old laptop)

[@codys4668]

“The mean-time to Clint” I like that benchmark. 😂

[@TechieandrewB]

OH MY, I never realized the "Tamiya" wrench fit PC parts. As a life long RC car and PC builder guy I cannot believe this never occured to me before! You learn something every day. Great video as always.

[@slightlyevolved]

Yeah. 30 years and Today I Learned

[@FerrylOnWindows]

I always used one for this! I figured it was better known.

[@Yesterzine]

I had the Pentium D, which was the dual core variant. It required its own small power planet to run.

[@dennisanderson8663]

Oof. The Pentium D was not a very good CPU and the single core Athlon 64 CPUs were crushing it. Intel lost the crown temporarily until the Core 2 Duo.

[@V1CT1MIZED]

Nothing changes with intel

[@Mirra2003-f9s]

I'm amazed AGP graphics worked on this because as far as i know MS officially dropped the AGP card support since the 2018 version of Windows 10

[@龗]

it's a generic VESA driver running it

[@DidierT]

​@@龗 | No AGP driver for Windows 10 & 11? Tried some but with no driver no real support to help CPU...

[@Documenting_Life_8619]

Just get the drivers up 😅

[@DidierT]

@@Documenting_Life_8619 | No AGP drivers up to Windows 8.1 in my tests...

[@CaptainKenway]

AGP cards will run in PCI fallback mode on newer versions of Windows following the removal of actual AGP support. Nvidia cards will still work with 3D acceleration, but crippled performance. ATI cards become nothing more than basic display adapters, which is what you're seeing here. Early versions of Windows 10 are the endgame for meaningful 3D performance on AGP cards, unfortunately. Of course, you're still going to be fairly limited even then by the fact that the HD 3850 is the most powerful AGP card out there anyway.

[@Loki-]

I like that this '04 PC is running a legit copy of win 10/11, yet people out here with multi thousand dollar PCs have the reminder to register their copy permanently emblazened in the lower right corner of their screen. 😂

[@ctrlaltrees]

Definitely the most legit way to run Microsoft's latest OSes 😅

[@HaplessIdiot]

KMSAuto is on GitHub there is no excuse for the watermark besides a skill issue/fear of disabling the game performance destroying windows defender

[@geofftottenperthcoys9944]

And? You really don't need to use a key anyway.

[@Loki-]

​@@geofftottenperthcoys9944 Git 'im! 🏃‍♂️ 💨

[@jjjacer]

if we are talking about youtubers, usually the PC's are temporary builds, best not to lock the windows key to a system thats gonna get changed 30 times over with new video card, motherboard, cpu, ram, or ssd on a constant basis

[@QuestionBlockGaming]

having an HDD that old and not imaging it first makes me a little sad; but this is such a cool project! I had no idea RUFUS actually allowed you to customize windows 11 installs to skip TPM requirement!!

[@cleanycloth]

RM!! My primary school had these absolutely everywhere, what a flashback 😄

[@Lord-Sméagol]

My high school had probably one of the earliest: RM 380Z: (blue & white case) 16K, cassette tape BASIC ... upgraded 1 year later [1978] to 380Z 48K dual 5.25 SS-SD floppies : 72K per disc :)

[@chadmasta5]

If you did want to try going ham with as many upgrades as possible for this it's worth mentioning that PCI is technically forwards compatible with PCI Express if you use an adapter with a bridge chip. The bridge chips were designed for using PCI cards on PCI Express but the chips are bidirectional so reverse adapters do exist. You could put a modern GPU in it.

[@PcVgLife]

Not sure why people worry about using "period correct" HDs. Just use an SSD and save a few hours of your life. Bonus you can see how usable a PC when it's not tied down to a HD.

[@cee128d]

Agreed. But even with an SSD, systems that old are not really usable running Windows 10 or 11. I know, I've tried it and it still was painfully slow and effectively unusable.

[@arvito4862]

I agree. Even if you have a decent CPU, Windows 11 will run painfully slow on a HDD. These days SSD is simply mandatory.

[@SummonerArthur]

You already know how it would run on an ssd, why not check how painful slow it would be on an hdd? Its not as if he's going to daily drive the thing, so make it slower just for giggles.

[@cee128d]

@@SummonerArthur As I stated previously, I've already done that.

[@JorgeALXNDR]

If this PC supports SATA, it'll probably be SATA I, which is not that much faster than a HDD. And also, even with SATA III, the CPU would still not perform enough to use all of it's theoretical speeds.

[@Roadkill7878]

Brilliant. I have upgraded 3 older PCs to Windows 11 using this method and very easy it was too. Now just waiting for 24H2 to see how if they impose any restrictions

[@NetrunnerAT]

24H2 is a Problem. MS make a hard Cut for old CPU's. SSE4.2 is Minimum. With First Gen Intel i-Serie you are save.

[@aljoshuahell131]

There is a windows vista driver for the radeon 9600 you can install that one by extracting the package and then installing the driver through device manager

[@jonathanellis6097]

29:11 "go away why is all this crap poping up all the time" welcome to modern MS Windows and Office, constant interruptions.

[@Mr.1.i]

All Pentium 4 CPUs are based on the NetBurst microarchitecture. The Pentium 4 Willamette (180 nm) introduced SSE2, while the Prescott (90 nm) introduced SSE3 and later 64-bit technology. Later versions introduced Hyper-Threading Technology (HTT). The first Pentium 4-branded processor to implement 64-bit was the Prescott (90 nm) (February 2004), but this feature was not enabled. Intel subsequently began selling 64-bit Pentium 4s using the "E0" revision of the Prescotts, being sold on the OEM market as the Pentium 4, model F. The E0 revision also adds eXecute Disable (XD) (Intel's name for the NX bit) to Intel 64. Intel's official launch of Intel 64 (under the name EM64T at that time) in mainstream desktop processors was the N0 stepping Prescott-2M. Intel also marketed a version of their low-end Celeron processors based on the NetBurst microarchitecture (often referred to as Celeron 4), and a high-end derivative, Xeon, intended for multi-socket servers and workstations. In 2005, the Pentium 4 was complemented by the dual-core-brands Pentium D and Pentium Extreme Edition.

[@BollingHolt]

That comparison you made with the 5150 truly is amazing. Loved the video, Rees!

[@BottIsNotABot]

Top video Rees, was surprised a machine that old was able to run Windows 11! I'm a fan of longer videos, so please don't apologise.

[@Stjaernljus]

a usb sound card is an option for sound on it

[@ctrlaltrees]

Oh, good call! I hadn't considered that. 😁

[@SJLtalentpicks]

@@ctrlaltrees Also quite a bunch of PCI sound cards will work, like even the ones starting at price of £ 9 or a bit more, being based on CMI (C-Media) / HT 8738 chip (up to 4 audio channels, 24 bit 44.1 kHz), for example, newly-built or second-hand.

[@andrewquinn5946]

That stock cooler is better than current intel coolers

[@TheRealCheesemaker]

Poor 20+ old computer. "Y U do dis to me?" Also, poor old Matt's vintage internet collection. All those crunchy skin pix-n-flix, gone for good...

[@burnrubber7547]

Thanks Rees, and to Dave Velociraptor for pointing me here on a twitter post. Apart from just being fun, this video is also relevant to me as I have a hp laptop that's a 2017 model 7th gen i5, that's works brilliantly. And yet I get that tpm message when trying to update to Windows 11. The computer is great and I dont want to have to replace it, so good to see there are workarounds to this.

[@СергейД-ч4ь]

I still use my 2010 two cores Toshiba notebook for watching KZbin and online movies in my summer country house. But it runs not Win11 off course :) Linux mint actually. In 2020 changed HDD for SSD and added RAM up to 4GB. Works just perfectly and very responsive. Thanks 4 brilliant videos. Looking forward for new ones! Good luck!

[@am_pm.17]

I still daily a 2009 quad core HP, running Windows 11 off an SSD and with 8GB RAM. It basically runs like a brand new product, really fast and fully functional!

[@samshort365]

I don't use Windows at all, unless compelled to due to some script kiddy's ineptitude and laziness. However, I appreciate your efforts. It just shows how anticonsumer M$ has become by artificially and prematurely rendering obsolete the majority of working PCs globally. Having said that, streaming aside, I could probably still do all of my computing under Windows 3 without missing a beat. I certainly can't type any faster now than I did 30 years ago.

[@chriswells1285]

21:00 Find some 2004 USB speakers.

[@retroboby007]

Interesting video and kudos for all the effort you put on it. I have an intel quad Q9550 socket 775 running very well Windows 10 LTS (youtube 720p very smooth). So on 10 years older hardware. Back in the day, even on the first Pentiums, you could NOT run WindowsXP (the 10 years gap). Indeed, the progress was bigger, faster until year 2000. It is sad.

[@braxtonbunner4990]

I have Windows 10 on a Q9650, SSD, 8 GB DDR3 RAM, it's actually surprisingly usable & decent for older light gaming. Everyday tasks are feel as fast as my 9700k

[@charleslunsford5833]

I Love This 20 Year Old Computer Hardware With Windows 11!

[@Thief000]

Apparently, for Windows 11 24H2 and above you'll need an Intel Nehalem architecture CPU or newer, due to the POPCNT instruction. Still quite old though...

[@Nick_R_]

You've given me hope that my old Core2Duo machines might have life left in them, at least with a hefty dose of de-bloat.

[@brianwalker7771]

You could try something like a western digital raptor hard drive. WAY faster than what is in there, but it is more period appropriate than a SSD.

[@TheNutshaq]

20 years ago being 2004 and not 1994 hurts me

[@ciinoxgaming]

Did you try to install the radeon 9000 driver ? It should improve performance as the generic driver uses the cpu for rendering.

[@JenniferinIllinois]

'Mean time to Clint' - didn't realize this was a benchmark. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Walkera22e]

The most important question though, did you apply the perfect amount of thermal paste. First the hand blocking the view and then the cooler doing the same, it felt deliberate :)

[@Eda-Clawthorne-BGC]

People do tend to say "You should use this amount in xyz pattern 🤓" after all. So yes, 100% deliberate.

[@gregdunlap7538]

Huh, I thought I'd read somewhere that the current version of Windows 11 requires at least a core-i-whatever CPU, dropping support for the Core-2 -Duo for example; guess that was wrong! Congrats on getting this to work! An SSD would probably be a big help, especially with the swapping, as you said. On one of those old premium systems with 4GB of RAM it might not be bad.

[@jensputzlocher8345]

Someone told me Win 11 24h2 will require a 8th gen core-i. The older versions you can modify by Rufus ore something equal to run in older hardware.

[@gregdunlap7538]

​@@jensputzlocher8345 Ah, yeah; I was thinking of the FIRST incompatibility 24h2 will include, the "PopCnt" instruction, which excludes core2duos. Now there's a new requirement they added for SSE 4.2; sounds like that was introduced with the i7. Found this on tomshardware; I'd link articles, but KZbin always deletes my comments when I do that :( Be curious to see that happens with this PC when Windows Update tries to force that update on it later this year.

[@catriona_drummond]

Currently you can still patch these limitations out with Media creation tools like Rufus, when you make the install stick for W11.

[@jensputzlocher8345]

@@catriona_drummond Yes, thanks to Rufus you can modify Win 11 23H2 to boot on an Core2Duo from 2007, but Win 11 24H2 will require the SSE4.2 instruction set (?) - this will require a Intel 8th gen core CPU or equal.

[@Rayjacker]

@@jensputzlocher8345 No, on Intel's ark site you can do an advanced search that filters by instruction set, SSE4.2 is supported by 1st gen Core i series CPUs. AMD doesn't have a search like this, so it's a pain to search for SSE4.2 support.

[@therealjammit]

With Rufus I plug the drive from the machine I want to install on into one of those USB adapters. I then tell Rufus I want to make a "Windows to go" version and tell it to write to the USB drive. After it gets done I remove the drive from the USB adapter and install it back in the machine. It bypasses the "boot from USB, install, reboot, and finish install" steps and goes straight to "...and finish the install". You can take advantage of Rufus doing the install part on a faster machine and save time.

[@TheVdub1980]

I was in primary school in the mid-80s, and we had an RM Nimbus 186! There was no internal storage. Everything ran from floppy disk. There was also a BBC Micro. We used to play Repton on it! And yes, I played the original Doom when it released

[@Vanessaira-Retro]

Interesting and neat video Rees!

[@Luke-rr9po]

Thank you Rees, I really enjoyed this one - I have the 3.4Ghz variant of this as part of my collection that was running Windows 10 at one point (albeit in a later motherboard with 4 gigabytes of ram) and was suprised at how well it was doing! 😊

[@cmjones01]

I know what you mean about the rate of progress. I remember the 90s when it was hard to go a whole year without having to upgrade something. But my current desktop PC is one I built in 2012 with a 3rd gen Core i7 CPU and it's still in daily use doing software development, CAD and office tasks under Windows 10 and it definitely doesn't feel old even though it is 12 years old. I gave it an SSD and better graphics card about 4 years ago but that's all that's been done to it.

[@justinsinger2505]

I remember in 2016 i was in a basic IT class and one of our labs was installing windows 10 on multiple machines. Some newer than others. Most older and still running XP. Some of us finished in an hour. Others about 2-3

[@Starflare5]

Quick tip: For KZbin (or any video site for that matter) go into settings of the browser and turn off Hardware Acceleration. This will make a huge difference on the default Windows driver.

[@SamCoder.]

Damn. If this can run windows 11 THAT WELL, then I wonder how many such low end systems from like, 2007 and later can... Like this will likely save loads of e-waste getting dumped as we find a way to run such modern OSes on these!

[@JPS13Laptop]

It would probably need to have at least 8gb of RAM though unlike the 2gb in this video.

[@janekkrawiecki4654]

First gen i5 with 8gb and gt 240 is ok but for your own sanity use linux on older harware

[@SamCoder.]

​@@janekkrawiecki4654 I agree with that too...

[@SamCoder.]

@@JPS13Laptop Yea, 8 GB is recommended for WIndows 11 to run smoothly... But the fact that it can run okay on 2 GB ram is an interesting thing...

[@JPS13Laptop]

@@SamCoder. Yeah, but no one should ever be doing that 😅

[@fffmata]

no way man are you a fan of stepmom too? just saw them for the second time not too long ago! i was so confused when i saw them pop up in your youtube feed lol i thought it was my feed

[@ralphfigaro4485]

im using tiny10 on my old sony viao 2008 which originaly came with vista.... over the years i had xp and win 7 running on it. then 2014 i bought a new laptop and kind of forgot about the sony viao. this year there is lots of videos on youtube about reviving old pc. Since its a 32bit unit 2gb ram and 2 partitions of 128g.. i had only 1 windoows option and that was tiny10 or a dozen linux distros. So i installed tiny10 and was blown away that its actually works ad pretty fast browser with edge working really well...i even install bodhi linux OS on the second partition, i installed a VM and Rrun Bunsenlabs OS. All works perfectly wirhout reeplacing any hardware...i havent touch my 2022 windows 11 hp laptop...for a while. Those linux distros are insane

[@UlitpUzzer]

Since you've got SATA you should of course go with a SATA SSD, to give it all the help you possible can. I started upgrading old systems to a SATA SSD 10 years ago and as much ram as they could take and it help them a lot. ... So what build of 11 is that? Because the 24H2 version of 11 (that will RTM in Sept. 24) has to have a CPU with SSE4.2 and SSE4.2 only goes back to first gen Core-I and there is no work around. This cutoff even eliminates the C2Q(s) from running 11 after 24H2, which is quite disappointing.

[@Documenting_Life_8619]

U surely pushed the limits here further ! I made a Toshiba laptop with c2d t6600 4gb ddr2 ram 800mhz +ssd run win11 Intel gma gfx 256mb but this is x treme 🤩

[@aaaalex1994]

Does this computer have a PCI Express slot? Microsoft removed support for AGP graphics cards starting with Windows 10 v1607...

[@ctrlaltrees]

I had no idea about this and your comment got me thinking so I decided to do a quick Google. Seems the card must be running in PCI mode. TIL!

[@aaaalex1994]

​@@ctrlaltrees Probably because Windows doesn't know anymore what AGP is. You can try either Windows 10 v1511 (which is long unsupported) or LTSB 2015 (based on the original v1507 release, still supported until 2025).

[@randomgamingin144p]

was about to say this

[@jeffweide1936]

This is your first experience with windows 11? Hilarious. I also cant stop thinking about some nerd at microsoft parsing through the telemetry data and finding this outlier.

[@dragonhed123]

i wouldnt even be upset if you used a modern hardrive for thsi system it would be cool to just get it working haha. awesome video loved it. you gain a sub from me

[@allentoyokawa9068]

8GB HDD in 2004?? Man, I had 320Gb HDD running raid 0 back then

[@pyeltd.5457]

You mean 2014 🎉

[@allentoyokawa9068]

@@pyeltd.5457 umm no 2004

[@S-1_24-25]

320GB in 2004 is like having 16TB in this time

[@pyeltd.5457]

@@S-1_24-25yea he is full of it.

[@allentoyokawa9068]

@@pyeltd.5457 umm really troll?? It was a $2000 PC then, and no it was NOT like having a 16TB HDD, shows what YOU KNOW

[@RoterFruchtZwerg]

My main desktop PC (I use my new Notebook most of the time though since 3 years) still is a Pentium Core2 Quad Q6600 (also LGA775) I bought in 2007. I've replaced the main HDD with an SSD few years ago, but besides this, it happily runs Windows 10 and works perfectly fine for me. I won't upgrade to Windows 11 though. I'm still stunned it works so good. It ran for hours every day from 2007 to 2020 and I used it a lot for video recodring/encoding, software development (web, embedded), running VMs (until VMware decided to require a CPU instruction it doesn't support).

[@robloxian1585]

Yeah, had similar issue running windows 10 even with a 600 series pentium 4 with 64 bit support (670). processor not only needs 64bit support but also lahf/sahf support which was introduced with the cedar mill pentium 4 models. It was interesting seeing windows 10/11 running on 8gb ddr2 800mhz, a gtx 1070, and a pentium 4 651 overclocked to roughly 4.2ghz and a 128gb sata ssd, gonna be doing some more testing on it to see how various software runs on it.

[@themadmallard]

The video playback itself isnt the problem, its the modern codec needing decoding. 264 and 265 derivatives from YT are very demanding in software decode situations. And i dont think your Radeon has any decode goodies in its specs even if you found working drivers. you'd need an R600 series card probably at the earliest.

[@techsaverscomputerrepairca2127]

re: the IBM 5150 vs. the P4: now hold up one of the new generation mini PC`s, and not only compare how much things have miniaturized but also show graphs featuring benchmarks and pricing. That`s kind of the mind-blowing thing. My first Wintel machine was a 286 with 2Mb memory, 9" monochrome VGA monitor and a 20Mb hard drive worth about $1500 in 1990 dollars. My current rig is a Lenovo Ryzen SFF machine with 16Gb and 2Tb SSD, hooked up to a 22" Viewsonic OLED display. The machine itself is about the size of a USB DVD-ROM and cost me about $300. That price:performance ratio is pretty amazing to me!

[@KurtisEllis]

Not sure how many times you've heard this but I absolutely adore your Labyrinth mouse pad

[@David_Quinn1995]

I'm impressed that 11 worked at all, should see if there is a upgrade for my dad's old P4 PGA system.

[@mattscomp]

Funnily enough I just became the owner of a machine with the same motherboard in it. Installing W11 wasn't the OS on it is something I have thought of. VIA boards are a good choice for Windows XP and also 98. It's fascinating just how far you can go into the past or the future. x86 hardware is the very definition of versatility. Someone could install an old OS plus W11 on different drives and have a dual use retro + modern experience on the same machine. The latter isn't great of course. But you have shown it works 👍

[@wittywilla]

There are a few things you can do to improve your experience with Windows 11 on that old machine. One of them being is changing your visual appearance settings to "adjust for best performance", as well as looking into community made drivers that support Windows 10 and 11 for those AGP cards

[@Christian_Mino]

I used that exact monitor as one of my side monitors for the past 2 years. Overclocked it to almost 100hz, but idk how much of that I was getting over VGA, LOL. I just sold it with a budget build recently, to afford my ultrawide. You wouldn't think it was useful because of the size, but it was perfect for either watching a KZbin video or to keep Spotify open etc. It also was where I relegated all of my desktop icons and folders too, lol. Kept my Desktop looking tidy.

[@IAmStillNotMatthew]

This reminds me of the Pentium 4 PC I got my hands on some years back that was an office PC at my aunt's job, that got shelved in 2005-2006 for being slow, with each new Windows it was brought out, updated to the latest, then thrown back in for being slower and slower. I put W10 on it, it was horrible, now it's used as a storage PC by a friend who removed that pile of rust from my house, he put some Linux on it(Lite, or Puppy, I don't know) and it runs 24/7 keeping up a few SSHDs and SSDs up with IDE-SATA adapters, it's cursed. Seeing how far the system requirements of Windows has come is really nice, it showcases why putting stricter limitations on hardware for Win11 isn't as bad as it was first cried out to be.

[@em00k]

Great videos keep them coming :)

[@deniskornja762]

It's installing like that because the Ethernet drivers are generic from the windows 11 and well it won't give you 100% of full power. And CPU and chipset drivers are as well very very important because you lose a lot of power there to. Ssd connection actually my friend an external ssd or actually an m2 that can connect through usb with an adapter that is more faster than sata 1. But yes ssd with sata 1 will increase the speed not much for like me that has an normal hdd but yours 50gb definitely better performance. But looking at this ngl it's impressive thank you for doing this 😊 you made my day better. Some drivers are still on the internet try writing the motherboard name and try your luck. If not reddit and discord communities usually can help you find or give you some drivers. Ohh vga driver is as well very important thing. Windows 7-11 creates a generic we can say a bad copy of the original driver so that it makes the machine usable but far from perfect.

[@datassetteuser356]

Great idea, like this very much! Also, when put next to the very old IBM, I started to actually like the mix of beige PC and black 5.25" drive (even if a optical one in this case😂). Totally forgot that this was pretty much the norm back in the days, even on CBM stuff. Don't remember when I started feeling that was an odd look on PCs and had to have beige drives on beige PCs or black drive on black PCs. Hm. Well, just a note on the side 😅 Cheers!

[@bramvandenbroeck5060]

I modified the cooler that is in your pc to fit any socket by filing out the holes, i took the plastic pins off, i filed it down, and it can now fit my socket 1700 :p and it keeps my i5 10400f at 35 degrees celcius, which is nuts :p and i love what you are doing, i try stuff like this as well.

[@samdavidh]

Our school was full of Core 2 era RM computers until about 2018, and they fully upgraded all of them to Windows 10 and then replaced them by 2022. Had a similar computer in the DT block to this, absolutely ancient, for years - the oldest one in the school. If this computer was made before September 2004, it's older than I am.

[@togoxo]

windows 11 does usually support these ancient 775 system's time of sound drivers. it just will be like there is no devices plugged in so i wont work but when you actually plug something in the back it will show up. i know we are used to the realtek driver with it showing up sound even without anything plugged in but with the windows preloaded driver thats not the case

[@PooDestroyer55]

I was running one of these running Debian with XFCE from ~2012 up to 2016 with zero issues. That only had a gig of RAM, but it did what I needed it to do.

[@RobByteback]

Great necromancy work, mate! So, I have an idea. Hear me out on this.... Low-Profile PCI raid card. Compact flash cards with adaptors. Raid 0. yes, a complete abomination, but it would be interesting to see how much snappier it would be.

[@FudgeXDD]

socket 775 systems are probably the oldest platform that still commonly sold here where I live (SE Asia regioin), slightly overkill for legacy software but adequate for modern ones. once everything else, graphics, storage, memory was beefed up to the best the chipset/motherboard can handle. Core 2-based systems are the most common though, but I doubt unless it's Celeron D, I don't really think Prescott Pentium 4s would be that slow in single-thread tasks either. also that big hunk of stock Intel heatsink is still a treat to see. mine from the Wolfdale Celeron is much smaller.. and louder. and I tend to snap the clip, which ended up being annoying enough for me to scavenged some OEM machines for screw mounted coolers.

[@Dave4000]

You may improve performance of the older Intel processors by turning off "enhanced halt state" - also known as "C1E". You can do this in the BIOS settings (if the setting is available), then save and exit the BIOS. It's just a power saving feature.

[@KrzysztofC-1]

No OpenCL support for ATI Radeon 9600, so no compute benchmark.

[@lucasrem]

on VESA support only in Windows.

[@roblox123admet]

Those videos give me the power to learn more about computers ❤

[@ameriscm7351]

the level of backwards compatability that windows has can be quite amazing - even 30+ year old printers will work on it etc

[@jwoody8815]

If im not mistaken DVI can handle up to two displays per port with the right Y cable at up to 1080P @ 60Hz if you wanted to go dual monitor. Far as i know the PCI soundblaster Live! is still supported in Windows 10, and the driver should work in 11 aswell.

[@cromulence]

A CMI 8738 would be a period correct sound card that should have Win11 compatibility (albeit with older Win7/8 drivers), or you can just use a generic USB audio device if you don't want to faff. Regarding graphics, Windows 10+ use a built in rendering engine called 'WARP' which offers software based 3D rendering, so in theory anything requiring 3D acceleration can run - even some modern games. I'm sure you could squeeze some Vista based compatible graphics drivers on there. I got Win11 on an old Dell Precision M90 using most of the Vista/7 era drivers.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

I wonder how it would run with a video card that accelerated video, something like pci 8400gs or pci gt 610, etc.

[@lucasrem]

James Same Area 775 PCIe, new Geforce in it !

[@benjaminkingbros6408]

0:45 no graphics driver installed ?

[@MindCaged]

Okay, the 32-bit windows 10 must either be super lower in drive space requirements or it's not a full install as I installed the latest Windows 10 64-bit on a much newer HP Stream laptop that only has 32 GB on-board eMMC storage and windows used up almost the entire drive, it used way more than 8 GB.

[@AlejandroRodolfoMendez]

My advice with those stock cooler 775 is to take it out of chasis and then plug the cooler so you see if the white lid made contact then you can press the black ones without breaking it. In the case of broking there are replacements but also you can use parts from broken zip tires the plastic is the same and same wide.

[@Sanya4561]

You can use Windows Vista/7 drivers on Windows 10/11 too... I mean the ATI 9600 driver which have i think Vista driver.

[@Recessio]

What a flashback. Those machines were everywhere.

[@danthompsett2894]

yeah we had RM Nimbus computers at my school but that was 1994-1996, i remember playing Simcity on one of the computers back in the day during lunch times, as at one point the computer room was also our form room.

[@kobalt_ren01]

Yup, had RM machines in my primary school IT room, maybe even that same case design, not sure. Though, by the time I was in high school they had Dells, got Lenovo Thinkcentres by the time I was in my last year, and then back to Dells for college.

[@kuroistuc]

I remember seeing those in class when they were new. They were much faster than the 2001 RM machines that we had in other rooms at the time!

[@catriona_drummond]

Could try to chnage the youtube codec from the very intense VP9 to h264 with a tool like youtube enhancer or 264fy. But with no actual graphics driver loaded i am not even sure where the decoding workload is currently handled on that machine. Generally I don't like setting up OSes with no proper drivers. Action retro does that do. "Oh look here it works, because I have some/any graphics output..." No, it doesn't. It's like driving a car in limp mode and saying, it's fine.

[@CovenantAgentLazarus]

Get a life, nobody cares what you're talking about

[@AlexandreSilva-zk4kg]

This is an world of busines, imagine if microsoft dind´t try to make difficult and didn´t upgrade the windows versions, all to make you spend money on new equipmentt???!!! But people start get tired of every season to by a new hardware. Thank´s to people like you there is always one way to go around this shit, me and for shure thousands around the world we are very grateful for this videos. Thanks a lot.

[@SeeJayPlayGames]

31:08 yeah, I suppose it is rather efficient once you DEBLOAT IT... ;) Why not try a more or less modern Linux distro on this? Or is that going to require more than 2GB RAM to be happy? Maybe something with XFCE?

[@pyeltd.5457]

That a RM F Series from 2003 that was the replacement to the RM C Series from the 1997.

[@DinethMallawarachchi]

I feel like LTSC would be a better improvement than actually debloating stock Windows. At least I've found more success with it. Also disabling Windows Defender's Real Time Protection improves system responsivenesss heavily!

[@tidysampler585]

8:09 i didn’t think I’d see a Tamiya hex wrench being used on an IT related project 👍 A simple touch is all it takes 🙂

[@MonochromeWench]

For Sound Support 64 bit Windows Vista or 7 drivers might work as the Windows Audio driver model has remained unchanged since Vista. For graphics drivers there is no chance that old drivers for a DirectX9 gpu will work with 11. Windows 11 requires that GPUs support at least DirectX12 and Driver Model 2.0. The newest driver for this DirectX9 gpu (ATI Catalyst 9.3 for 64 bit Windows Vista and 7) is only Model 1.0 so Windows 11 will not like it even if the driver installer would let you install the driver. Of course even if the gpu drivers installed and Windows loaded them, performance would be poor as Windows 11 does not include AGP support and the card will be forced to run in PCI compatibility mode, reducing performance compared to a period correct OS.

[@paul_boddie]

The IBM 5150 only supported up to 256K as standard, I think. As for the Pentium 4 experience, I only upgraded from a P4 system back in 2020, one with 1GB of RAM and running Debian. Where it started to struggle most was in dealing with the perpetual escalation of Web technologies, Web site and browser bloat. Also, the Intel 865G integrated graphics were from an era where hardware support for video was probably exotic and largely absent from Intel's portfolio, so videoconferencing services were practically unusable. Having more recently upgraded a different, 64-bit, system of about a decade or so in age, there is a lot to be said for using an SSD instead of a hard drive, this making Linux distributions boot quite a bit faster if one finds that they are taking rather long to start up. Adding memory can also be very helpful if it seems that there is little to spare under normal use. That was an option I should have investigated with the P4 system: taking it to 2GB would have been beneficial, and there will have been a point when the RAM would have been cheap to acquire, too. I did discover the whole 64-bit Prescott phenomenon at one point and wondered if my own system had some latent 64-bit capability, but I think that it was just a little too early. Obviously, 2GB was the practical limit for many 32-bit systems, and the shift to x86-64 left various larger memory options unexplored for the x86 architecture, even if PAE support was implemented in many places. Had I timed that purchase better, I guess I would have gone for an Athlon 64 system instead of a P4 one.

[@dikbozo]

The drive was a Maxtor. from the absolute worst period of their existance. i still have one, as a reminder of just what I dealt with BITD. Flaky, unreliable and wonky AF. They did have good people working in RMAs. Got to know a couple of them. Save you some time with the sound card thing. No PCI cards will work in W11 as they are all 32 bit. Same thing with network cards.

[@WillThat]

When 11 came out I played around with getting it running on an old Dell. I put a Core 2 Quad in it and it was quite usable.

[@Funtasters]

I want to ask, I have a laptop that is actually compatible to update to Windows 11. But if I update it, is it better to update directly via Windows Update, or just reinstall Windows to update it to Windows 11? My specs: • AMD Athlon Silver 3050u 2.30GHz • 8GB RAM (Dual Channel) • Radeon Graphics/Integrated • 2GB VRAM • 512GB SSD

[@rigues]

I would like to see a follow-up video showing what difference an SSD and compatible graphics card does make. My guess is that it would turn out to be a "usable" lab machine for light browsing and watching stuff on KZbin.

[@Retrohertz]

Where did you get those shelves from in the background? They're just what I'm looking for. 🙂

[@ctrlaltrees]

They're from a company called Rapid Racking. They often have deals on sets of 3. I can highly recommend them!

[@Retrohertz]

@@ctrlaltrees Great. Thanks. I'll check them out. 🙂