Cultish: What is the United Pentecostal Church International?

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[@kevinmcdonald951]

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[@mrs.stocky2445]

I grew up in a oneness Pentecostal congregation (I was a 3rd generation on my mom's side) and studied my way out of it in my early 20s. I am married to a Christian, I became a Christian in our first year of marriage and even though it broke my relationship with my mother's family, I will never regret following Christ.

[@mrs.stocky2445]

@Daniel Tipton one who follows and obeys the teachings of Christ and wears only His name. In my real life I am willing to have deep conversations on the topic. My comment here is just to show the content creator who their audience is and that they are supported.

[@paulaoyedele2081]

Daniel Tipton .....you need to clarify your question....it is a bit jumbled. I am trying to break down your questions/statements. I was "once" in UPC and attended bible school there. First ...the name Jesus is a transliteration of the Greek word Iseou. But the word in Greek is a feminine word so they added "S" to the end to make it a masculine name/word. The Greek alphabet and pronunciation does not have a "y" sound and the closest is the letter "i". The same goes for the sh sound. So the Hebrew word for salvation Yeshua or Yeshu sounds identical to the greek word but because of the masculine word Iseous then translating it to Jesus or Jesu as it is in the French and Spanish today. The name is powerful whether as Yeshu or Yeshua or Jesu or Jesus. Second.....the United Pentecostal church believes that Roman Catholicism represents the whore of Babylon Third.....UPC believe that Jesus/Yeshua is Yahweh as in the books of Isaiah the prophet...as well as many other major prophets proclamation of Yahweh coming in the visible form of Jesus (while still filling eternity in Spirit form) to redeem man back to him. "he came to his own but his own did not receive him".....as seen in many chapters of Isaiah. Fourth.....they believe there is only one God ....revealed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and that salvation only in the name of Jesus/Yeshua. Also that name reveals that Yahweh (they mostly say Jehovah) has become our salvation. They believe that Peter told the crowd what they are to do to be saved in the second chapter of the book of Acts (Acts 2:38) and that the Book of Acts has all the established "foundational" plans for the church. All other subsequent letters from Paul, Peter, etc are to help us with our walk. Hopes this helps.

[@Bill99Cass]

@Daniel Tipton Where is the Love and Mercy?

[@Joshua-Paul79]

You studied you way out me too, I can’t believe how much I grew out of their studies. And I was confused because I was learning so much in a gods word alone. And their were somethings they taught that was aka convictions that were personally only their convictions so I chased those in the word and was confused more because I’m like where is this in the Bible? I’m first generation UPCi so I was up for many nights like asking and praying God where is this in your word just lead to your truth and he lead me out the church. I was like wow!!

[@mycenth22]

You were pentecostal, then got married because “christian” and your mother disowned you?!

[@daryneckert3221]

I was slowly sucked into this for 4 years and it lead me down a path of depression. I had questions no one wanted answer. If I didn't fit into the clicks I wasn't wanted around. If you didn't volunteer alot you weren't recognized at all. It taught me alot and now I have robust backbone of biblical doctrine. I swore to myself I would never let myself be taken advantage again from that point on.

[@marcrowd]

What questions did you have that were never answered?

[@marcrowd]

@WALDO The son is not separate from the Father. It’s 2 titles for the same person. You are also a son to someone and a father to another. That doesn’t make you two people.

[@marcrowd]

@WALDO I am a Father. You haven’t heard of it because you’ve never heard of God. No on existed before God. He exists outside of time and space. No one authored Him. No one can end Him. He was robed in flesh and dwelled among us as Jesus, but that doesn’t make Jesus a separate being. It’s the same being in a different form.

[@marcrowd]

@WALDO No, flesh is not God. God is God. The spirit inside the flesh is God. You call Jesus the second “person” in the Godhead. That actually makes flesh divine, not the Apostolic view.

[@marcrowd]

@WALDO There is no scriptural basis for that. It’s completely illogical. If the Father, as a deity, can’t have communion with flesh, neither can the Son or the Holy Spirit. Whether your perspective on them is Trinitarian or Oneness, they’re all deities or a deity. So if there’s a rule on the trinitarian side that the Father as a spirit and deity cannot interact with flesh, your entire argument is dead on arrival.

[@scottepperson8354]

I was born and raised oneness apostolic and was a preacher for 16 years until God led me out. It was a slow process but it was through the reformed teaching of people like charles spurgeon and john macauthur etc.. I was so confused with very shallow understanding of the Gospel. I am now 40 years old and have began attending Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. Thanks be to God!

[@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379]

Same here...My Father was a Pastor. 3rd generation apostolic(AAFCJ) now reformed. SDG!

[@DAce-vu5ct]

Just don't let yourself become a cessationist who calls people who operate in the spirit of the spirit demonic or psychotic

[@scottepperson8354]

@@DAce-vu5ct I dont try to demonize people but I probably lean much more to the cessationism side. In both oneness and trinity pentecostal churches I never witnessed any of the things claimed and I was not a backseat Christian or a weekend warriors. I was heavily involved. I was not one who was in church and out of church. I dont think those people are wicked just in error. Obviously the oneness have some more serious issues than the trinity but I think its all pretty dangerous

[@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379]

@@scottepperson8354 I would love to hear your testimony.

[@kathleenking47]

UPC doesn't seem like a cult, like JWs, and LDS

[@heknows5418]

Doesn’t matter which denominations you speak about , one thing is common to all of them , you will find some of the meanest, unloving people but you will also find some the sweetest , most gentle loving people. It’s called life just love the Lord and trust him

[@geico1975]

That's right! Churches, schools, universities, hospitals, prisons, local government institutions, state government institutions, federal government institutions, grocery stores, convenience stores, clothing stores, shoe stores, etc, etc, etc.... LOL! LIFE is complete with good & bad/bad & good people.

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

The thing I see with UPCI is that they teaches that all other denominations are wrong. And I think this should not be like that, they want more followers then go and preach to them if they belive they are the correct one but do not indoctrinate their own people in that mindset.

[@stapler2646]

your comment was very helpful, thank you for your sincerity, God bless!

[@Jeanettesboxingchannel]

This is true of every denomination and Ive been part of 4 different ones.

[@JV-xf9ry]

Interesting testimonies here. Mine is similar. When I was 12, my aunt took me to her Assemblies of God church. After the preaching there was a sort of an invitation to receive Jesus. My aunt took me forward to receive Jesus. I was a little bothered because there were people around me praying in gibberish. The pastor/preacher put his hand on my head and said something I don’t really remember, then he shook my head and shoved me backward and proclaimed I was saved, “Praise Gow-ad!”, is what he said after pushing me backwards. I guess I was supposed to swoon and fall down backwards (there were two men behind me waiting for me to fall), but I didn’t. I was a little scared but also happy. According to this guy I was saved! I had no clue what that meant, but I must be closer to God now. When we got home my aunt sat me down with one of my younger cousins and told me that I needed to start speaking in “tongues” to show that I was saved. I knew what she meant by speaking in tongues because she would at random very now and then ask one of my cousins to start speaking in tongues. Then my cousin would start babbling for a while. Interestingly while they were babbling they would use some Spanish words they had learned from their maid. My aunt never caught on that they were pretending in order to satisfy my aunts desire to prove her children were spiritual! So that night we got home I knew what she was asking of me. My cousin started babbling, lacing his gibberish with Spanish, and I starting babbling too. What came out of my mouth was complete nonsense, but my aunt was happy so that’s what mattered. After that summer, I went back to live with my parents (I spent the summer with my aunt and uncle and five cousins) and I tried to be pias and spiritual. I watched the television evangelists of the day (Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, and Leroy Jenkins) thinking that is where I would get good teaching. I also began going to church because that’s what I was supposed to do. The next summer I went to Christian camp and got even more spiritual. But... my heart was still seeking sin. My closest friends were not Christians, but were into drugs, alcohol, and lots of sex and pornography. I began to feel split in half. I wanted to be a good Christian, but I also wanted the sin that was all around me. I put on a good show when I had to. But inside I was rotten. After high school I let myself go. I was no longer split. I joined the Air Force and ended up in Germany. My third year in Germany, after the first Gulf War, I met a missionary. This man was a true man of God and preacher of the Gospel. For the first time I heard and understood the Gospel of repentance and faith for salvation. I resisted the call of God for a while because in my mind I was already “saved”. I knew some Bible and a preacher had proclaimed I was saved. But finally I could no longer refuse the call (that’s the best way I can explain what I was going through), and I went forward after an evening service and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior! I was also baptized that same night because I was so excited and I wanted to immediately obey what the Scriptures teach. Since then I have grown in the faith, and I have also experienced doubts and low points of faith. But always at those low points God finds a way to encourage me and strengthen my faith. That’s my testimony in a nutshell. If I had gone through life with just the experience I had when I was 12 I would be lost. But God saw fit to place a missionary in my life to show me the truth of the Gospel. I am so thankful for him. Since then I have studied the Scriptures and have done a ton of research in the history of Christianity, archeology, the trustworthiness of the Scriptures, and have even studied other belief systems (Mormonism, Islam, etc.) to see how they differ from Christianity. All of this research and study has strengthened my faith and given me confidence that what I believe in is Truth.

[@shekinahmadrigal4796]

Amen

[@tobyevans8823]

Hey bro do you believe in the futurists view Of revelations and the end times prophecies or do you believe in the historicists view?

[@micheledreams4771]

AMAZING Testimony!!! God bless you for sharing!🙏

[@robertnieten7259]

I'm sorry for your discouraging experience with the Assemblies Of God churches. I myself am apostolic Pentecostal. I have backsliding a number of times and when I tried going back to another church and was praying a brother told me if I would shave my mustache the Lord would hear me. My point is that people are fallable and make mistakes but once one has truly been born again in an apostolic church it then becomes a matter of not the churches doctrine but being tolerant of believers who ever lack knowledge or are babies in Christ and still have much to learn. I myself when I first recieved the Holy Spirit prayed so loud in the prayer room that I would drown everyone else prayers out. The holiness standards of pentecostals churches for a long time have hindered seekers in coming to the Lord but those have been lessened as time goes by. I encourage you to visit an apostolic church one time comparing their salvation doctrine to what the Word says that the early church believed.

[@mrs.nobody7132]

My grandpa was an AoG pastor and he's the only person I've ever met who embodied all of the fruits of the Spirit. And there was no difference between who he was at church and who he was at home. I didn't realize how rare that was until I was well into adulthood. I've never felt compelled to speak in tongues, personally. But, I'd NEVER condemn it, because I know first hand that there are people who do, who exhibit good fruit.

[@stefanigarcia9215]

AoG and Oneness Pentecostals are different theologically. I grew up AoG and I would say many of them are Christians, just Armenians. They have true believers there, albeit very shallow believers. Some have good theology. If someone is an attender of AG churches and do their own studies of scripture outside of the AG material, I’m sure they will come to the conclusion that not all of AG doctrines are scriptural. Also, they never talk about any church history unless it pertains to Azusa Street Revivals and such. Oneness Pentecostals do not believe in the Trinity. They believe Jesus manifests himself as the Father & Holy Spirit. Oneness Pentecostals are super legalistic and mentally abusive to their congregations. I have no doubt that true believers can be called out from both churches and into sound doctrine. My own Grandmother was a very strong Christian lady and was AG for most of her adult life. She was not perfect, never spoke in tongues, called sin sin and was a huge reason why I’m a believer today! Praise God for your Grandpa and his influence on your life!!

[@destroyingfear777]

@@stefanigarcia9215 That's a good point sister but I will say this, The Assemblies Of God teach the entire Holy Bible from the very beginning to the very end. They preach the entire gospel. In other words ALL THE GOSPEL! God Bless you and I'll be praying for you in Jesus Name ✝️👑

[@rykellim]

Praise the Lord! The fruit of the Holy Spirit is as powerful and essential as the gifts of the Holy Spirit, if not more. By the fruit of our testimony and the blood of the Lamb we shall overcome. Therefore, the United Pentecostal Church International continues to maintain (even struggle) the importance of biblical Holiness, something inherited from the Wesleyan Holiness revival prior to Azusa, woke be damned.

[@stapler2646]

I think I got sucked into a cult... I was a prodigal son, I was led into this church. Now that I've been ostracized, but couldn't help myself to leave. I've been having this feeling I am being manipulated?

[@dalu1120]

I grew up UPC. One of the main reasons I have for questioning their beliefs is Galatians5:22-23 (But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”) UPC is full of so much bitterness, hatred (masked as “love” to expose sin and save souls, but is really judgmentalism and hatred for broken, empty people that need to know of God’s Love and Redemption, not condemned and threatened), lack of Grace taught as Paul teaches endlessly, the clinging onto a Law/works-based salvation, etc. After I grew up and began to deeply study the Bible for myself, I left and can’t go back! ‭

[@staynalive660]

I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues 50 yrs ago and continue to this day building up my most holy faith praying in the Holy Ghost. The night the Lord first filled me my heart was filled with pure love and light. Jesus delivered me from drugs, rebellion, immoral living and all that goes with that and has kept me all this time. The Word of God supports this incredible, awesome, delivering experience. There are bad pastors, hypocritical Christians in all denominations. There could be some not so great UPC churches but I’ve been blessed with wonderful pastors, Christian friends and sound teaching and preaching. God has blessed my life abundantly! The Lord has miraculously healed me several times. My husband was delivered from severe alcohol addiction. It’s very sad that you seem to enjoy tearing apart the church of God.

[@kathleenking47]

You were blessed, but some bring kundalini spirit in churches It's best to stick with Deuteronomy 8:3...

[@davidortega357]

I might be wrong just saying been around Pentecostal Oneness all my life I've seen this phenomenon of the Charismatic manifestations of Kundalini awakening not only in Charismatic Pentecostal but also in Islam, Buddhism , Hinduism where they laughing , gyroating getting extremely emotional crying like cats or barking fire tunnels I never seen that in UPC or other Oneness community

[@staynalive660]

I’ve never seen this “kundalini” ever in any oneness Pentecostal church.

[@tonyii3818]

You speak unknown languages with an interpreter? That is a lie

[@zackmatheny892]

@@kathleenking47 Could you not target the books of acts in the kundalini spirit? A kingdom divided will not stand, the day we see satan bringing people to Christ we have a serious problem!!!!

[@paulaoyedele2081]

There was no barking at the Azusa street revival....the barking stuff was at the Toronto Airport Vineyard church. Of all the years I "once" attended UPC I never saw barking or rolling around or trance-like state this person speaking experienced. I did, however, see tongues and interpretation of tongues in action a few times. My friend there would run around the sanctuary when the powerful anointed presence of God would happen. To break this down....when you could tangibly feel God's loving presence....would make me weep in gratitude of the cross and the sacrifice Jesus made for us. My husband and I were discussing this last night ...that every church that believes Jesus was the long awaited Messiah who was crucified for the sins of humanity and that all who come to him in repentance and obey the teachings of Christ and his apostles are in fact Christians,................BUT everyone of these "churches" have some deviation from what the Apostles first established under Jesus' command. Yet....all of you (churches) think you are right. Even to the point of demonizing one another. The early church had NO bible.....no gentile Christian was allowed in Jewish synagogues, and had to rely solely on the Apostles...mostly Paul, though Peter was instrumental in bringing the gospel to the first gentile Cornelius (Acts 10). So they only knew what the Apostles taught. Now today we have an English bible ....though some contend each translation as approved or demonized. Hilarious. Baptist.... You need to cut out the Book of Acts out of your bible....some will not even study it or preach it. Pentecostals.....cut out some parts of the Book of Acts United Pentecostals and Apostolics......pick and choose Standards for woman to follow and make ministers/preachers like superior mini-gods Salvation Army......do not use any part of the Book of Acts, neither water baptism or anything Roman Catholic......unrepented baby water baptisms, pray to Mary, and statues of Apostles, and priest only take communion wine Mormons......Joseph Smith, gold plates, additional books Jehovah's Witness......144,000 (though bible says these are Jews of the tribes of Israel), have there own bible.....name Jehovah raised higher than Jesus Anglicans.......Book of Acts not used, unrepented baby water baptisms, most do not even read bible or understand it. Lutherans, Methodist, etc.......Book of Acts have nearly no relevance. Yet ......somehow everyone seems to feign superiority over each other. Seek the Lord.....time is running out.....stop your campaigns against each other. All of your church organizations have something man-made in it ,..........but you still think you only have a speck and your fellow believer has the beam. We ALL have issues or beliefs that need correction from God. First and greatest war tactic.....Divide and Conquer. We ALL believe that Jesus is the Messiah We ALL believe that Jesus died for our sins We ALL believe that Jesus was resurrected The book of Revelations has examples of 7 existing gentile Christian churches .......all of us can find and learn what is missing.

[@campfireaddict6417]

Paula Oyedele No proof of any of it.

[@pennymcmillan8706]

I don’t know about the Baptist you think you know but my Baptist Church teaches every inch of the KJV ! Apparently you have misinformation!

[@pennymcmillan8706]

And you are again wrong that all churches believe the same thing! Way wrong.

[@glennrobinson7193]

@Daniel Tipton What's your problem mate. You're talking a lot of mumbo jumbo. Do you use recreational drugs, or are you medicated? You ARE correct tho about women taking over which is witchcraft. From Australia

[@ianmcdonald8648]

@Daniel Tipton I don't follow the Oneness or any other Denomination. I only want to speak about the name of Jesus. Jesus happens to be the English variant of the Greek 'Iesous'. My mother tongue is English. English is a langauge that has borrowed from many other languages. Many Englsh words have been adopted into other languages too. Langauges change over time. God is the one who gave man the ability to speak language to Adam and Eve. It was only at the time period of Genesis 11 that humanity was given many languages; it was actually a means of God to bring confusion into human society because of their rebellion against God, and they were scattered over the face of the earth. Anyway God continued to reveal Himself progressively over many centuries to humanity, through His prophets. It was at the coming of Messiah - the Son of David, son of Man, Son of God that the name Iesous was provided by God through Gabriel to Joseph. He was the husband to be of Mariam (Mary) to the baby conceived by the Holy Spirit already in Mary's womb (Luke 1-2; Matthew 2). I don't speak Greek, or Hebrew, but God does not impose on me to use Yehoshua (Yoshua, or other variants) the Hebrew equivalent of Jesus. God will receive any langauge equivalent of that name in prayer and preaching. God is the God of all languages, as He is the God of all nations and all creatures and all creation.

[@DavidRodriguez-hh1wu]

Please invite David K Bernard as a voice of a UPCI perspective so we can hear the other side of a coltish theology. so we could be Fair

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

sadly Mr Bernard died in 2019.

[@DavidRodriguez-hh1wu]

@@christian.comedy.channel.2 David K Bernard has not passed away are we speaking about the same David K Bernard author of The Oneness of God the new birth and the holiness

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

@@DavidRodriguez-hh1wu Yes you are correct - I must have looked up the wrong David Bernard. I'm ve3ry glad that he's still with us, even if I do disagree with Mr Bernard's theology.

[@stephenadams9067]

They wouldn't do that because Brother Bernard would prove the truth to them.

[@robertnieten9844]

It's interesting when you consider that Peter and the other apostles were considered cultish to the predominant religious figures of their day.

[@natelovejoy1097]

Robert Nieten Yes, but the Bible also set parameters theological. It desires discernment for believers. I don’t know if you’re UPC or not or if this is just a random comment you made but, I would press you to understand perhaps thats not the best argument against being called cultish by a group of orthodox protestants whos main reason for contending for the faith is reliant ironically on the words of the very Peter you mention (1 Peter 3:15-16). Discernment is required (and I believe misused often, but still) and if the way you relate yourself to the Apostles is based off of their public perception as being cultish that may be an issue because Mormons, Jehovas Witnesses, and many other belief systems would have that relation in common with you. I relate to the Apostles on their teachings. I pray you do too.

[@natelovejoy1097]

Daniel Tipton Hey! Sorry! I didn’t see this until now. Well firstly I’d point to their LACK of teaching on tongues for salvation. The Bible never mentions tongues providing the evidence of salvation as MANDATORY. That’s first. Secondly their teaching on salvation, all of Romans, Ephesians 2:8, Galatians, even scriptures in the gospels such as John 3:16 is a popular one and many others. The Bible. All of the scriptures. Not man made traditions. That’s what I mean 😊. Genesis - Revelation read in a way that makes consistent sense. For example it doesn’t make sense to say that tongues is the evidence of the Holy Spirit when Galatians lists the fruit of the spirit.

[@crazypersonlol34]

exactly

[@natelovejoy1097]

Daniel Tipton I’m sorry to say this but none of the verses you listed present tongues as being necessary to salvation. In fact a couple verses you mention counter that point. 1 Co 14:22 only explains the purpose of tongues. That purpose being for the uplifting of believers. Not the salvation. 1 Co 12:7-10 literally directly contradicts your stance. It does not mention tongues as being the only sign of the Spirit or the main sign either. It actually says that these gifts are to “another” directly saying that there is no gift that all receive. “To another diverse kinds of tongues”. The Bible does not ever say that tongues is the necessary gift of the spirit. It does not say “all who receive the spirit will speak in tongues” as you said. It says “all who receive the spirit will receive a spiritual gift.” To assume these verses mean anything else is to add meaning to them that cannot be confirmed and therefore risks error and speaking lies about God and his plan for salvation.

[@natelovejoy1097]

Daniel Tipton I am not saying that a person who speaks in tongues does not have the Holy Spirit. They obviously do. What I am saying is that not every person who has the Holy Spirit will speak in tongues. And the Holy Spirit is supposed to speak through you in many ways outside of tongues. It speaks through you in every word you say. The fruit of the Spirit are Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Gentleness, faithfulness, and Self control. That is how the spirit reveals himself as said in Galatians. I again am not Catholic. I am a Protestant Christian. I have actually spoken in tongues before. But above that I produce the fruit of the Spirit, which is how i know I have the Holy Spirit. Your test of tongues can be faked. Thats an issue.

[@cminnae8839]

I grew up in a four square church that was VERY lax. I thought that was crazy. I can't even imagine. Im now simply a believer of the gospel and a follower of jesus and depend on my bible for doctrine.

[@cminnae8839]

And ok like every thing else 😆

[@kaylanicholson4306]

I'm apart of a UPC church. I was very heavy in Drugs. Iv user. Lost my kids. Homeless. The UPC women fought for me. Would send me food when I was in hotels. Prayed for me. Never gave up on me. Then finally I went into a recovery program that goes to a UPC church. I was truly healed as I kept going to the altar at my church. And was able to Freely worship!! I am now 2years sober received custody of my babies and I am now in college..I received the holy ghost in a Baptist church at 9 years old. But I honestly FOUGHT for my life in worship at my UPC church. My pastor is the realest Funniest guy. I love being apostolic Pentecostal I am honored really. I have a pretty bold personality so I don't get talked INTO anything. My church is on fire and I am sooooo grateful for the UPC church... Thanks for reading 💕 blessings!!!

[@taylor3101]

You don't have to be talked into anything when its DESIGNED TO ATTRACT YOU. Just by reading what you said, it's not hard to tell that what you really think is saving you is what you've been DOING and FEELING during services, and like the previous commenter implied, we should be trusting in the finished work of Christ and not all these fabulous New traditions that are designed to work on your emotions in order to give you this "ultimate reality" experience so you will stay and affirm THEIR practices. Religion is incredibly attractive. I am a recovering heroin addict myself, with two years off the needle. Now I am in reformed theology, of the Augustinian confession. I may not be the wisest of the wise men, but I can honestly say I know it wasn't a funny pastor, or any of the neat little trinkets that go along with the culturally hip, "Jesus is just the coolest guy!" movement. I'm sorry to rebuke you so harshly, but I promise you I do it in love. I'd like to leave you with just one question : does this Bliss you have discovered come out of the experience you have during services?

[@matthewbachinski6753]

my experience with the UPCI has been positive i dont care if you think theyare a cult evangelical gatekeepers

[@rykellim]

Many of the Reformed Calvinist comments here show the modern day manifestation of the Pharisee culture of Jesus' day... always searching the Scriptures and becoming puffed up with knowledge, yet denying the genuine power of godliness, calling the work of God in people's lives evil or of no effect. Truly, we may have 2 different fathers here! Sorry if I accidentally stepped on someone's toes here! (Jesus is our Everlasting Father.)

[@davidmay5815]

Yes so was I 36 years ago drugs alcohol from the age of 11 to 23 when God saved me on the verge of suicide my wife I married in the church was raised in church and then 15 years after we had been married and I was in church we both back sled for about 3 years came back got opened his arms and took us back people has something bad to say about anything if I had not been asked to come to church by this old friend of mine I used to sell drugs to I would not be here today because I was in the process of stabbing myself when she called me God is good

[@stapler2646]

@@taylor3101 Friendly greetings, I've been deep-diving into cults and clicks within the church. this is just a question. Do you think some leaders or groups of people within the church have a cult-like tendency? Clicks can mimic the Characteristics of Cult-like behavior, by ostracizing any person of any age group. Taking advantage of their emotional vulnerability, like a tug of war.

[@jlar1984]

Speaking in tongues, deep prayer, miracles, fasting, moves of the spirit. All biblical. God is an orderly God but all of these behaviors are found in the Bible so why speak against it?

[@uriahpeep1753]

I do not care what the UPCI believes or practices......if it is wrong, it is on them. But what I have found about the group is this.......as a group the UPCI engages in lies, deceptions, abuses of their own members and is very hypocritical concerning their own lifestyles.....ie. they pretend holiness unto God while their hearts are full of evil. If the group is not able to live up to their own standards......then, why pretend to do so. The world can spot hypocrites a mile away and this group fits that description. Hypocrisy is always the result of an unregenerate heart and the world knows it clearly.

[@uriahpeep1753]

@@crazypersonlol34 Listen carefully and DO your own investigation. HOW? UTube is covered up in videos of people who have LEFT the UPCI after suffering years of abuse from this group. LISTEN carefully to what they have to say. All of these former members cannot all be mistaken in what they say.....and even more to the point, the abuses they enumerate ARE ALL the same. If after you have researched what these people say and still do not GET THE POINT, then you would have to be mentally challenged to say the least.

[@nbass5773]

I encourage you to revisit those scriptures and read the entire scriptures in their context. A whole church speaking in tongues the way the Pentecostal Church practices is not of scripture!

[@nbass5773]

Daniel Tipton I don’t bother posting the scripture because most people won’t read it anyway.. if they are of sincerity they will go re read the scriptures .. I have read through many of yours and you are lost.. so that’s all I have to say to you.. as scripture says I brush of my hands .. you have made it clear your beliefs are a choice outside of scripture.

[@nbass5773]

Daniel Tipton ...🙄cool story ... enjoy your Heresy

[@Linda-xw9lj]

I’m a one God, apostolic tongue talking Holy roller born again heaven bound believer in the liberated power of Jesus name. I was washed in the blood sanctified by the spirit, and I believe in Holiness and I surest you do the same. ,

[@scottsprowl7484]

I remember that song, Lance Appleton wasn't it?

[@josieruiz3946]

God said precepts upon precepts. Dark ages 400 years. GOD ALWAYS BROUGHT HIS PEOPLE TO RESTORATION NEVER LEAVES HIS PEOPLE.

[@michaelceleskey4932]

I deal with oneness penticostals a lot where I live so thank you for the program

[@johnscoggin6626]

Michael Celeskey if you haven’t already, you need to check out the debate between Walter Martin and the UPC on the John Ankerberg show

[@davidwitkopii291]

Or dr james white might have a debate like that. Hes done a ton of debates, might have one about this topic.

[@natelovejoy1097]

David Witkop II James White actually does have a debate on this. I believe it was against a man named Roger Perkins? Something like that.

[@GigiRocks1969]

May want to check out Mike Winger (Bible Thinker) and Responsible Faith; DeAnna Jo exposits many of the UPCI teachings and being an ex UPCI~er, they have both helped me greatly.

[@phillipbingham487]

myself and my wife grew up UPCI and we are now Antiochian orthodox Christians today....

[@dogbehavior]

Should have had a woman speak about their experience in UPCI. Men were lucky - women were the ones with the horrible experiences.

[@amandawest5241]

What experiences?

[@mandisalmon-warr9281]

Yes!

[@mandywoodard3083]

I’m here. I will glad speak about it

[@marcrowd]

Azusa Street had visitors from all over the world due to the amazing miracles, mind boggling miracles. It was a church that was interracial at a time when it was shunned and looked down upon it. You can’t mention Azusa without mentioning those things.

[@Romans--pe4yh]

Amen! I'm not a cessationist at all, but I do believe us pentecostals can get out of order sometimes and sometimes get stuck on idolizing the gifts with them being the focus of services when the gospel and training in righteousness should be with the gifts following naturally and not fabricated or forced. We tend to emphasize speaking in tongues in our churches when speaking in tongues should be more in our own prayer time in the lord or with an interpreter present. We also tend to look for the gifts and prophecy than getting deeper into the word and pushing a love and appreciation for the word with the signs and wonders following naturally. I've also been deconstructing oneness theology and reading the NT for what it is and oneness doesn't perfectly align as many in our assemblies claim it does. I don't believe trinitarianism perfectly aligns either because I'm not convinced the holy spirit is a third person. Even William Seymour was trinitarian. I think we all just need to find common ground and learn from each other instead of misrepresenting each other's views in order for the end time revival to happen.

[@daweihuang9687]

@@Romans--pe4yh just my curiosity about how it doesn't align? You referring to Jesus and how he talked in the Gospels?

[@Romans--pe4yh]

@@daweihuang9687 If you're referring to me saying trinitarianism does not align with scripture, I take that comment back. I now fully affirm God's triunity

[@etstains]

Ayee wassup brother Mark Crowder! Enjoy your music!

[@ke6264]

I grew up in the UPC and they’re kind of racist so you bringing up an interracial revival doesn’t really mean anything

[@rfcontreras]

Love this channel! Great show, we learned so much. Looking forward to part 2. God bless!

[@davidortega357]

Too many TV. Preacher's Abused the scriptures because bible colleges have there own interpretations and it's pushed on them the bible doesn't contradict itself you just got to know how to interpret scripture line upon line

[@HOPEaLICIOUSxo]

I was born into this religion and it has caused me to reject any religions now that I’m an adult. Looking back at my experience, it was most definitely cultish. Now I just focus on being a good person. That’s all that should truly matter. There are many people who are deep into religions who are actually terrible people.

[@HOPEaLICIOUSxo]

Also, my parents were both pastors of this religion and we were at church every single day and regularly went on trips to Azusa. We even slept at church often with many of other people who attended our church. We also had a major “revival”. I don’t recommend forcing this religion on your children. Definitely messed me up.

[@JesusPPK]

Why would you allow false teachers to deter you from seeking if God truly exists?

[@Rocksider2525]

Coming out of the UPC church scene and going through that holy ghost tongue talking situation I can honestly say it changed my life forever. I left there for different reasons the the teachings so this show interests me greatly. I'm studying so much more now but am having a hard time proving the UPC doctrine false. Looking forward to part two.

[@nileslivingstonsr3930]

...Revelation 5:7: ...ONE body of Christ, yet MANY members ( I Cor. 12:1-28; Rom. 1:20; Prov. 8:1-36; 28:4-5; Dan. 10:21; 12:10 ...K.J.V. only ). Jesus said: ...the comforter ( the holy Ghost ) will guide you ( I John 2:20, 27; Acts 20:27 ) into ALL truth ( II Cor. 7:14 ). ...I Cor. 2:15-16. ...I Cor. 15:33-34; Luke 24:24-25, 44-45; Acts 3:18-26; 24:14; II Tim. 3:10-17!! ...I've been READING God's holy written Word, and have sought The Lord with ALL my heart ( humbly speaking before The Lord, whom I've seen ), therefore THESE THINGS are not hard for my any longer. ...time to GROW: II Peter 3:15-18 -vs- II Peter 2:1-22; Eze. 2:1-3:27; 13:1-23; Isa. 56:9-12; Jer. 5:20-31; Zech. 5:1-11; Rom. 16:17-18; Matt. 15:7-24; Phil. 3:2, 18-19; I Tim. 6:3-10; Rev. 17:1-28:24; Eze. 18:1-32; 33:1-33!! ...Amen.

[@jordantupouila3363]

Praise god, the truth has been preserved don’t say it wasn’t otherwise his sacrifice came to nought. The truth is in his words. He lay it out for us , he said , pick up your cross and follow me. If you are a real Christian you know what I am talking about . We denied ourselves and let him rule our life. Seek and you will find. May god bless you . Hallelujah amen.

[@jordantupouila3363]

I’m

[@ttmatt_8250]

It’s because it IS the truth. The infilling of the Holy Ghost enables you to walk in power. The Bible says in the book of acts 1:8 that you will receive power when the Holy Ghost comes upon you!! Amen!!

[@TexasHoosier3118]

great debate back in the 80's with Dr Walter Martin and Calvin kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6WUgHyGl559jrM

[@kevindavis4709]

Has anybody ever wondered why? You don't see people at Christian concerts Christian music events speaking in tongues prophesizing? You only see that in a particular church building.

[@davidortega357]

I first heard of UPCI while in the US Army I was raised in the largest Latino AAfCJC or Apostolic Assembly of the faith in Jesus Christ Mexican Oneness headquarters in Los Angeles CA since birth

[@michaelandcarriecrouch6895]

he is one there is no one else besides him mark 12:32

[@muneerakhair]

Salaam! Thank you so much for normalizing the presence of children as something normal and blessed. So many "shoo" the child away but you welcomed the child with love. Thank you.

[@Nottoday454]

This was fascinating but I can’t say I’m any less confused on the topic.

[@Nottoday454]

@@ronhanish can you link a specific video?

[@markforsythe1916]

Katina Parker, I would be happy to respond to any questions or topics that you are confused about. 🙏

[@sevensickszero8966]

Just give it time and prayer and God will make it clearer as time goes by.....

[@davidortega357]

A lot of our members came out of other churches like Catholic, Baptists, United Methodist, Mormons, Trinity church,

[@nunyabiz2889]

I'm heavily involved in an AoG church and there's nothing strange or cultist about it. And I know cults, I was Mormon for most of my life. My pastor is extremely biblical and has solid theology, I don't speak in tongues and no one has ever given me any grief about it. No weird shaking on the ground or people falling over. Some of the congregation pray in tongues but it's not a prominent thing. Now I won't say I agree with 100% of the theology that some of the members try to preach, and although I play guitar on the worship team, I don't love a few of the bands they choose to play, but the church, in my experience, is theologically solid from the pulpit and has saved my life and allows me to have an awesome life based on Jesus and his Word. (I know that this episode isn't talking about AoG specifically, but some of the comments are kind of bashing it, so I wanted to share my experience.) Thanks for listening. Praise God and stay blessed 🙏✝️.

[@geico1975]

"Some of the congregation pray in tongues but it's not a prominent thing." Strange, because I think I know what you're talking about here. I was raised in a oneness Pentecostal church myself, and there would be times during some random Sunday night service, for example, that one person suddenly start very audibly speaking in tongues. It could be anyone, from the Pulpit to the back row. All of a sudden a hush would consume the congregation. Heads would bow, eyes would close, just waiting for the interpretation. Then, out of nowhere, someone else or in most cases, the person who spoke in tongues would start speaking a word in English and give the interpretation of what was said in tongues, I guess. Funny though, every single time this occured, and erie feeling would come upon me. Not that I was scared necessarily, but couldn't process it I guess, kind of just didn't know how to take it. I'm 47 now and still find it a little strange. Not that it's a bad thing, just still trying to process it maybe:)

[@mrs.p6130]

My experience exactly. The Pastor is solid and Biblical. It's harder and harder to find these days.

[@rghklh]

It took me 10 years of therapy to recover from the spiritual abuse I experienced as part of the UPC.

[@manuelfarias6694]

praise god for your endurance.

[@amyd3793]

Wow really, what kind of abuse

[@amandawest5241]

Abuse?

[@davidortega357]

No beards or mustaches, no going to the beach or swimming except your own pool no men's shorts allowed or swimming trunks no t v

[@Xaforn]

So sad how people say you didn’t experience it but you’re just a rebellious person. A lot of people have no idea what spiritual abuse really is, neither do they understand what legalism is.

[@aaronleedescombes]

Hypnotism, mass psychosis, pressure. I would get worked up and my pastor would touch me and I would fall to the ground overwhelmed. I feel today because of the experiences I had I will never willingly join a cult.

[@TexasHoosier3118]

I was raised UPC. I later rejected their church when I saw their arrogance toward other Christians. Also, modalism does not stand up to scrutiny.

[@masonharvey5209]

I find it interesting that you choose to Only ask people that are not in the church. Why not call the upci headquarters and talk to the president?

[@TexasHoosier3118]

Ever heard of brothers Dr Nathaniel Urshan and Robert Sabin? Dr Walter Martin and Dr Calvin Beisner ate those 2 UPC authorities for lunch. Modalism fails under Biblical scrutiny.

[@briankady4275]

I have friends who attended a local UPC church here in Kennewick, and decided to leave because of the teachings. I remember my friend telling me that it was sort of hard to leave, because they keep tabs on those who attend, much like you hear of people trying to leave the LDS church.

[@robertdale711]

Not only for the apostles but many , as many as our Lord shall call said Peter.

[@gbC4mpos]

Thanks for doing this guys! I've recently met a friend who turned out to be a oneness pentacostal. I had never encountered such a thing and it completely took me by surprise. I'm very thankful for you guys touching on the history. It's crazy, I've been trying to believe "this has to be some sort of isolated thing," but you guys checked pretty much every single box. Wow.

[@billymimnaugh3998]

Hear o Israel the Lord your God is ONE Lord .Not three persons .ONE .God said he created the world BY HIMSELF !

[@rodgervsaffell2085]

I consider myself oneness pentecostal apostolic. I came from an evangelical church. I was a yearly, consistent, thorough Bible reader. What convinced me to stay and check out the events of the faith was the exact matching of the scripture text to the beliefs and actions experienced in the services. However I tell everyone that I am a "controlled" holy roller. Many events ascribed to us are rare anomalies, even to us. I also resent the lumping of pentecostals with charismatics. We are not the same. In fact we would condemn the charismatic actions as a show for gain.

[@NC-vz6ui]

Well done video. I grew up trinitarian Pentecostal 3rd generation. My grandmother is a Pastor and Uncle. Our church was an independent Pentecostal church that broke away from the Assemblies of God in the 1950’s. We viewed the oneness Pentecostals as a cult and upheld the trinity, but much of our church was like oneness. The church was very legalistic, but had awesome praise and worship. I was a worship leader and played piano. I had to break away from it years ago. I’m still trying to find my place in Christianity.

[@davidengle8950]

How can a woman be a pastor when the bible says a bishop is to be the husband of one wife. Women are not by scripture to usurp authority over the man. Being a pastor is a mans position only, You can read this in your bible.

[@NC-vz6ui]

@@davidengle8950 you have to look at those scriptures within the context of Paul’s culture and what the women were doing in Corinth. There were many women in the Bible with authority over men. A women was the first to carry the message that Jesus had risen from the dead. Paul also said slaves obey your master, but we are not owning slaves today. This is not a universal ban on women being able to serve in ministry.

[@davidengle8950]

@@NC-vz6ui Husband of one wife

[@NC-vz6ui]

@@davidengle8950 What if your single? What if your a woman? Elders have to have multiple children. Do all your elders have multiple children?

[@davidengle8950]

@@NC-vz6ui Did your bible give an exception for being single? Mine didn't

[@mrs.p6130]

Here I am a Calvinist post millianialist attending a Pentecostal AG church. However the pastor is an enigma. He preaches the most solid Biblical message in town. He's also doing a video series right now, teaching against the NAR. 🤷‍♀️

[@anthonymarktolentino9252]

NAR?

[@ke6264]

@@anthonymarktolentino9252new apostolate reformation

[@dcshewrn]

You will always be safe with Calvinism, enjoy

[@vivianneblakeman1139]

We were always given an example to explain the Trinity. Just as we as a person are one body but made up of body, mind and soul. So God is 3 in 1

[@austinmorse8539]

What the UPC church has is really awesome. It has changed my life God bless ya'll!

[@lisaeshleman754]

wow. so many of these episodes highlight so clearly what happens when men reject the central authority of the Church. Jesus left us a Church with a structure and hierarchy so that we might not fall into exactly the chaos and heresies that we have today. Praise God He brought me home to the Catholic Church!

[@StephenJoseph777]

We are the church - the body of believers. The Catholic Church teaches works for salvation where the Bible teaches faith alone in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

[@Spiritfba]

Former 4th generation UPCI member here. Props to you guys for finding a different path. As for myself, after rigorously educating myself in science, psychology, and various religions, I am an atheist. I never understood the level of damage my upbringing had on me until I stepped completely out of the box and opened my mind to ALL possibilities, whether they be unfamiliar or unsettling. The level of freedom I now experience, both mentally and physically, is something that my former mind could not have comprehended. Once you drop all preconceived ideas and seek truth wherever it may lead, the folly of religion in general is glaring. I know this is an uncomfortable thought for those who still believe, but to truly find freedom one must step back from what he thinks he knows to be true, and follow logic and facts.

[@toomanymarys7355]

I only pity you for deceiving yourself so thoroughly, and for pretending that in your materialist view that you can even make coherent statements about what is better or worse. If you believe there is any value in truth, then you are a deeply incoherent atheist. But there are really only two types of atheist: incoherent ones, and dead ones, because no one can live long fully accepting the implications demanded by their worldview.

[@Spiritfba]

@@toomanymarys7355No pity required. I’m finally living my best and only life. I don’t expect you to even begin to understand, as I have once stood in your shoes, but hopefully someone else can see that religion does not have to be a permanent death sentence, there’s so much more to life and the world.

[@GigiRocks1969]

@@Spiritfba Although I can’t fully understand the depth of the damage done to you from your childhood, I understand some, as I was UPCI for 15 years. I understand desperation, oppression and always feeling unworthy and less than......but God, in His love and mercy, came running when I cried out and truly needed clarity and a Savior. After reading Romans and understanding, for the first time, what love really is and looks like; I am grateful and held. I pray someday when you need Him most, you cry to Jesus, as He has never left, nor will He ever leave you if you trusted in Him the moment you repented years ago. (well meaning men of God just got you entangled with false teaching and for that, I’m so sorry, and in part, understand your anger.) I’m thankful you have found “peace,” but I pray one day, you find the Peacemaker, because He loves you deeply and unconditionally. ❤️

[@davidengle8950]

OH BOY|

[@aaronleedescombes]

I grew up in going to an intense Pentecostal church. My parents had a falling out with the pastor over tithing and prosperity teachings. We then went to a Four Square church. Pentecostal lite in my view. My parents got a lot out of the intense worship, being filled with the spirit, and speaking in tongues. I had a lot of teaching and Bible study. But looking back a lot of it seemed like a form of hypnotism and mass psychosis. Now a days my mom and dad go to a non denominational church that I would describe as baptist

[@billiskra2073]

I was a Oneness Pentecostal for 15 years , so I am very familiar with what you are talking about .

[@billiskra2073]

@MR. NICE PEOPLE I am now a Bible believing Christian , who has fellowship with Bible belieiving Christians . I now look at what the Bible actually says and use that as my basis for judgement of anything .I am in an Assembly of God church but my Salvation and basis for living a Christian life is based upon truth that I have come to see in Scripture .

[@davidortega357]

I'm 72 years old been in Oneness since birth seen thousands come true with Acts 2 38 I myself been baptized in Jesus name and received the holy ghost 3 months latter in South Korea while on duty with U S Army I'm from Los Angeles CA I attend a UPC in northern CA

[@davidortega357]

I was. Born and raised in Oneness Apostolic faith Acts 2 38 movement in a Latino based denomination in Los Angeles southern Calif USA I never heard about UPC until I went into the US Army in south korea as a soldier I got baptized in Jesus name growing up there were trinitarian pentecostal in our neighborhood AOG , baptist, RCC then the Jesus movement started with chuck Smith cc in orange county

[@ShardyShardWagner24]

The UPCI is off the chain, love that movement

[@terryhatcher7271]

Their New Birth doctrine is a damnable heresy.

[@ShardyShardWagner24]

@@terryhatcher7271 I've heard that same rhetoric before however ,the new birth doctrine isn't from the upci,that doctrine ,it comes directly out of the Bible

[@terryhatcher7271]

@@ShardyShardWagner24 no it’s not in scripture. The UPC teaches that you must speak in tongues to be saved. That is nowhere in scripture. I’m Pentecostal and the major Spirit-filled denominations do not agree with the UPC on this so you can’t say that it’s because they are against the moving of the Holy Spirit. Should you be baptized in the Holy Ghost? Absolutely! Is it a requirement for salvation? Absolutely not! And you can’t provide one verse that says that it is. Also, baptism is required and “in Jesus name” must be spoken during the baptism to be valid. These two things are required in addition to repentance to be saved according to the oneness stance and there is simply no scripture backing this up. This is why oneness is considered a cult. Damnable teachings and denying the salvation of others who don’t adhere to fanatical and unbiblical doctrines.

[@paulsheppard5593]

@@terryhatcher7271 did jesus as a man... make himself to be god....or did god make himself to be a man...which is it....also god so loved the world......what is the meaning of that little word...so..tell me....

[@terryhatcher7271]

@@paulsheppard5593 did Jesus as a man make Himself to be God? He is and has always been God. Philippians chapter 2 said that while He was in the form of God He thought it not robbery to be equal with God. He then took on the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men. It’s clear from this the He existed as God prior to the incarnation. Micah 5:2 said that He was from everlasting. The Word made flesh existed with God and was Himself God (John 1:1-3).

[@PastorJwit]

Along with his series you need to pursue the Church of God in also known as COGIC. This is the African American movement in

[@hezekiahthomas837]

This felt like a hit peace on Pentecostals

[@chromebull884]

We might need that

[@hezekiahthomas837]

@@chromebull884 why

[@jenns758]

What about Acts 2:38?

[@stephenadams9067]

I'm a member of the United Pentecostal Church and I love going there.

[@leavingtheupci239]

Why? Because it’s “exciting”? Yeah, me too. However, they DEFINITELY are teaching another gospel.

[@realzhella6817]

@@leavingtheupci239 none of these are teaching anything remotely true to the gospels or teaching of the apostles. Please give up protestant beliefs and follow any of the true 4 churches of Jesus christ with legitimate Apostolic Succession: 1. Roman catholic church 2. Eastern orthodox church 3. Oriental orthodox church 4. Church of the East

[@davidortega357]

When I do Iove going to church

[@markforsythe1916]

If your going to examine UPCI you should have David Bernard on your podcast to defend it.. He is the General Superintendent. Don't have two guys on here that left the UPC lol! That tells me alot about how you do things...

[@moncebravo4493]

Yes, THIS‼️‼️ Mr Bernard would def go off. Such an anointed man of God. I realized that the majority of these videos are similar, just trashing on the upci as a “cult”. People just don’t want to follow holiness and conviction!

[@msolav63]

@@moncebravo4493 I follow holiness and conviction but I don't follow UPCI or any man made denomination. God Bless you!

[@markforsythe1916]

@@msolav63 You don't have to follow UPC or any organization. Most church organizations of all religions are to connect with people of like faith and to better support the cause.

[@msolav63]

@@markforsythe1916 that's what I said.

[@GigiRocks1969]

Although I don’t agree with David Benard, a debate would be interesting and possibly helpful. Pastor Michael Burgos has written an excellent book opposing oneness Pentecostalism and Pastor Mike Winger is an equally wonderful expositional teacher, so I think he’d be great as well.

[@lisamariesweet1297]

Was there ever a part 2? I can’t find it on KZbin or on the podcast episode list.

[@lottejohnson250]

Theres another one they did on the FLDS where they've posted the first part but not the second! They can't leave us hanging like this, the podcasts are too good!

[@CDC39A]

yes there was, on spotify, itunes, etc.

[@joshfritchey5995]

@@CDC39A how do I look it up for Android?

[@gthc4842]

I have had personal spiritual experiences with Jesus. Being healed and speaking in another language while I felt a love so deep, so warm, so content that I can’t even explain. I was in a bad place coming out of a cult where I was manipulated with scripture and basically brainwashed! Jesus healed me and met my need of healing and I received the Holy Ghost . I KNOW the love I felt was only from Jesus. I was changed for life at that point. It as almost like an out of body experience. And it was very real. I continue to strive for that place . A place you would want to spend eternity. It was a experience I wish everyone could have! I continue to remember what all My Lord done and does for me. My hope is like is for all to come to salvation and spread his Love ❤️🙏 God know our hearts and looks upon that. All this religious , laws, traditions of men is not the Jesus I know today.

[@glo9547]

Have they ever done an episode on Calvinism as cultish ? 😧

[@davidortega357]

The. First main Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal started in Los Angeles CA in around 1914 Pentecostal Assemblies of the World PAW they came out of the Azusa Street Revival at first it was all races blacks Mexicans , Whites The PAW. Started a. Latino ministry they became the Apostolic Assembly of the faith in Jesus Christ headquarters in Los Angeles the Pentecostal churches became UPCI in 1945 they separated from paw because. Jim crow laws in Southern states

[@JacobRobin81]

Yeah, like the fact that Calvin was a murderer while professing to be a Christian

[@RKKDesign]

Christ is our savior

[@susanpond3015]

I don’t know how you were taught or how you got confused, but I have studied the Word of God and lived for God through the Holy Ghost for 50 years. I started attending UPCI and I’m still doing that, because they teach the truth of the Bible.

[@Stodd]

So looking forward to you doing William Branham.. I grew up in that sect and it was without a doubt a cult. So thankful to have more resources now on his theological errors.

[@AdamosDad]

There are so many Oneness Pentecostals in our area that in order to minister to the ones that come out of it we do things like Baptize in the Name of the Father, of the Son and the Holy Spirit and in the fullness of God bodily, Jesus.

[@shellyfairless2997]

The Bible says, in Matthew go ye therefore and baptize them in the NAME of the father son and Holy Ghost. Not the titles of the God head.

[@davidengle8950]

@@shellyfairless2997 Name simply means by the authority

[@scottsprowl7484]

Yes Jesus has all authority and power, but using the name to cast out demons is necessary, using the name to wash away sins is also quite necessary too. We should do all things in the name of Jesus.

[@AdamosDad]

@@scottsprowl7484 I agree!

[@Robbi496]

I like the fact that most UPC women wear their hair very long, BUT if they cut it, it will NOT keep you out of Heaven, salvation is not by works or outside appearance or standards

[@miraclemurchison9851]

Robbi496 its a conviction, that comes with your walk with God. & a standard with your pastor.

[@Robbi496]

@@miraclemurchison9851 True, but that conviction is not for ALL women, it is YOUR conviction with God!

[@miraclemurchison9851]

Robbi496 yea, it’s a standard. and some women are convicted of cutting their hair. let them be, they arent bothering you at all

[@uriahpeep1753]

Here is the basis of the hair length question......in Pentecostalism, the length of women's hair is seen as a SYMBOL of their theological identity. Other symbols original symbols also centered around women such as.......modesty of dress, not wearing jewelry or not wearing open-toed shoes. Pentecostals who today still emphasize these ideas are actually worshipping those SYMBOLS. Symbols are much easier to worship and preach about while the actual teachings of Christ are very hard to teach and to actually have the church members practice. Anytime you see any kind of religious group who stresses symbols, you will find that they use these ideas to hide behind.......they are too weak and too carnal to practice the actual teachings of Jesus......such as love, compassion, charity, etc.

[@ALG930]

Yep! Agree. Attending a UPCI for sometime. It was more works than conviction. I did not stop wearing the pants because I was convicted but more so because they made me feel uncomfortable, same with hair, make up jewelry, etc. Pushing a person's personal conviction onto someone else is NOT conviction. It's more people pleasing than not. And that is UNBIBLICAL. A person cannot act as the holy spirit.

[@self-publishinghelp8596]

The poor ol’ Council of Nicea. It’s always the most likely suspect in every one of these heretical movements. No matter what the movement objects to, it happened at the Council of Nicea. As soon as I hear Council of Nicea getting the blame for something, i pretty much know two things about the person speaking: the speaker has no grounding in church history and has no idea what the Council of Nicea really was all about, and second, the speaker is part of some heretical movement.

[@terryhatcher7271]

People think that since it was called Catholic that it means Roman Catholic which isn’t the case.

[@davidortega357]

Although the Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal is a Catholic universal church it's gospel Acts 2 38 is for all the world Jews and gentiles no exceptions Jesus said go unto all the World and preach the gospel he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved Mark 16 15,:--18; In my Name

[@starkovichforster]

The thing that I think is sad in regards to those leaving the UPCI, is there lack of historical accuracy. Their lack of appreciation for academia lends even those who leave retelling stories passed down orally, which often have inconsistencies. The misinformation in the narrative lends them to be dismissed on the important issues that they try to address. Each person then only leaves the UPC based on personal experience alone rather than core principles that created the experiences. I am also one who was UPCI, but came in from another Pentecostal community.

[@shacklesjpg]

Could you explain inconsistencies? I left the UPCI a year ago , due to toxic community but I want to hear your take.

[@starkovichforster]

@@shacklesjpg The UPCI narrative often tells the stories, even from Azusa Street as if the early Pentecostals were baptizing in Jesus' name, but later the Trinitarian formula took precedent and Oneness ministers defended the "truth" against the Trinitarian Assemblies of God. This is an attempt to claim William J. Seymour and Charles Parham as "saved." By UPCI standards the earliest Pentecostals were not saved since they were not baptized in Jesus' Name, so they claim that those early ministers baptized in Jesus' Name, but did not have the full understanding of the Godhead yet. The problem is that it is consistent with other writings, even of their own researchers, that the baptism issue did come into focus until one man had a "revelation" about it at one of the camp meetings in 1910. Another inconsistency is their retelling of the split from the PAW as well as their ignoring of the differences between the two organizations that merged in 1945, forming the organization. Finally, there is the lack of them sharing how the Latter Rain Movement and many of its teachings became part of their teachings into the 50s and still exist today, as they ignore or downplay their relationship with such Latter Rain leaders such as William Branham.

[@calebdoss4590]

@@shacklesjpg I agree with you there, I go to a upci church currently and it definitely has people who toxic and just not good Christians in general and are very dogmatic, but we have to make sure that we ourselves push through all of those struggles with the community because overall the things that the upci preach are all biblicaly accurate and they preach the whole Bible and don’t take things out of context like many churches do but like you said there tends to be some toxic people in there but there are toxic people anywhere, you kind of have to look at it like it’s another workplace, we’re working for god, to reach the world and in a workplace there are going to be people that you don’t agree with or don’t like or are just bad people, but that doesn’t mean that you stop working because your afraid of those people in the workplace, it’s the same thing with Christianity, you can’t let people get to you or get church hurt because the only person you are hurting in that situation is yourself. Hope this helps a little be blessed in whatever you decide to do

[@jtm7clan277]

I left because of doctrine. It’s not scripturally accurate to say you just speak in tongues to have the Holy Spirit, Paul says in Corinthians that there should be an interpreter in church, and if there’s not then to stop. Don’t know about you, but in my 7 years of UPCI there was an interpretation ONCE at a youth conference. It’s very emotional and not totally scripturally sound.

[@robertnieten7259]

The apostle John said that " God is a Spirit no man has seen him or can see him.."( 1John 4:12) This of course is speaking of the Father. We also know through scripture no man has actually seen the Holy Spirit. So the only God man will ever see is " tabernacled "in the glorified body of Jesus Christ. Jesus himself told his apostle, " If you have seen me then you have seen the Father"(John 14:9). At Stephen's defense, and as a result of his vision, he was basically telling the members of the sanhedrin, Behold, I see the Son of Man standing where God would stand.

[@gimmie3700]

I have been raised in Pentecost. I am a back slider. What they teach IS real. What I experienced WAS real. I went my own way and for 30 years I lived as I wanted. I see even in my dark times where God had His hand on me. His grace and mercy has no boundaries. Instead of trying to make this religion a cult why don’t you actually seek out a true bible study from a Pentecostal minister. They are not racist. Contact the UPCI and ask for a black minister for the study if you want the real version of what they believe. It’s not a religion. It’s a relationship with God. Yes, there are some who are bad seeds as in ALL Christian doctrines but most are real. When you truly experience what the Pentecostals teach, get your heart right with God and have a real personal relationship with God then it will change your life forever in such a wonderful way. Don’t take someone else’s word for it. As far as the dress standards, I don’t necessarily believe everything they teach but I respect it. There is something to say for modesty. Most truly show love to all. It’s real!!!

[@davidortega357]

Other denominations during this period 1901 would say that the Seymour crowd was going. Off the deep end and it was the work of the devil but it was people who had a hunger for more of God the word says seek ye the lord knock and the door will open their was lot of emphasis on repentance putting away idols and other hangups bid religions at that time was Methodist , Presbyterian, Anglican, Mormon, baptist and RCC Buddhists, native religion , and prayer then began reading the book of Acts and comparing scriptures of what's the Apostles taught

[@jeffengstrom8657]

Relying on gibberish to get you to heaven is not the true gospel. Anyone can speak in gibberish, it does not save nor prove one has the Holy Spirit.

[@cogito_ergo_sum-y2h]

@@jeffengstrom8657 NIV, 1 Corinthians 14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

[@jeffengstrom8657]

@@cogito_ergo_sum-y2h In the kjv the "anyone" is "He" which was probably a reference to the individual who started this heresy in Corinth. You also misquote the Niv in the last word of the verse. The word "Spirit is not capitalized. It does not refer to the Holy Spirit but rather man's own spirit. The Holy Spirit is never referenced in 1 Cor. 14.

[@cogito_ergo_sum-y2h]

@@jeffengstrom8657 Your entire argument is wrong and very ignorant. First "Anyone or He" is so irrelevant. Second, I didn't misquote anything, just copied and pasted a verse. Third, Paul is talking about spiritual gifts, it is all about the Holy Spirit with a big S. Context my friend. You're taking it out of context just to deny tongues. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: Read carefully again, NIV, 1 Corinthians 14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. Who does what, to whom and by who ?

[@joannebeerens6206]

Love one another I have loved you...I want all of JESUS ...when love fails because of criticism, satan has opportunity to distort and foul up the most AMAZING, message of truth the only experience for needed for Eternal Life only found in Jesus Christ... ONE God In Christ see Colossians..

[@WretchedWubs]

thank you for this! Cultish is so informative

[@liddyvasquez7919]

Apostólic is not a cult. I don't know where people are getting that from. I am thankful for the truth being baptized in Jesus name and the gift of the holy Ghost.

[@Beautyinthemaking543]

Please do William Branham episode. Used to be in a church that believed in Branham. Parents still in it :( but love hearing about him and why it goes against the Bible / how it started .

[@Beautyinthemaking543]

Also, there are still so many people all over the world that still believe in Branham!!

[@uriahpeep1753]

Ruth......You need to learn how to use your search devices on the internet.....if you want material on Branham all you do is......type in his name in any search engine and you will have more than you can read at one setting.....

[@GigiRocks1969]

@@uriahpeep1753 It’s still nice to get the info out there for those looking.....I just happened upon Cultish and they do an excellent job on not making others feel “unlearned” for not checking the internet. Sorry if I’ve offended you, Uriah peep.

[@davidortega357]

Brother Branharm was a Oneness MOG

[@gonzo_-ww4iq]

They took the day of pentecost and turned it into an entire doctrine

[@callindisciple]

I am a Apostolic Christian, and I speak in tongues. Just like they did in the Bible, that gift was promised to everybody. That is how they knew someone received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

[@davidengle8950]

The promise was blessings. No tongues without an interperter, read it

[@callindisciple]

@@davidengle8950 that’s not true at all, they spoke in tongues in the book of Acts and they didn’t need an interpreter. “For if you have the ability to speak in tongues, you will be talking only to God, since people won’t be able to understand you. You will be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be mysterious. A person who speaks in tongues is strengthened personally, but one who speaks a word of prophecy strengthens the entire church.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14:2, 4‬ ‭NLT‬‬

[@davidengle8950]

@@callindisciple Who were the they that was speaking in tongues? The question was asked how is it these Galieans are speaking our language? The Galalieans were Peter and the eleven that stood up. The people from these other dialects new this could only be the work of God. If you think the 120 were speaking then you have to rember that there were women in that gathering and they were not Galaliens. No such thing as an unknown tongue, this word is in italics and that means it was inserted. The tongue was always known somewhere. The scripture is clear in Corinithians about how tongues were to be used. We speak english and we are not Jews and so forth that need a sign because we have the written word of God. If one comes in and hears what so many want to call an unknown tongue, will they not say you are mad (crazy), think you are speaking as a Barbarian ? And how will they say amen. Also in so many meetings you have several speaking in tongues at once instead of the order in which the scripture says it should be, which goes strictly againist the word and is disobeident. The tonuge is for unbeliveres and should be interpeted so they can understand and give an amen.

[@davidengle8950]

Wrong

[@callindisciple]

@@davidengle8950 so are you saying no speaks in tongues today?

[@kellyhill4613]

I was raised apostolic, my mother was first generation, my father was an alcoholic, anyway I don't go to church but I still believe in acts 2:38

[@david_adoptee]

That’s pretty neat that you still believe in Acts 2:38. Would you mind sharing a little on that please?

[@kellyhill4613]

@@david_adoptee ,, well Jesus Name baptism is clear as the nose on your face, Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in tongues is also clear as a bell,I hated church growing up,I tried believing something else,I just can't

[@david_adoptee]

Kelly Hill not sure exactly what you’re saying 🤔... But I was baptized in Jesus’ name back on November 1st and do I believe I spoke in tongues only at the moment after baptism. There was a sort of tingling pressure that formed in my belly and all I could do was push words out of my mouth. I haven’t had that same thing happen since. What made you hate church?

[@kellyhill4613]

@@david_adoptee , what made me hate church, well Christian people will claim they love God then talk behind your back, My Father was a really horrible alcoholic,there were times he would come home drunk beat on our mother, several times he shot at her, well our mother had enough, she filed for a divorce,our mother taught Sunday School was also choir director, the pastor told her since she was getting a divorce she couldn't teach Sunday school, and had to step down as choir director, now the pastor knew everything she was dealing with,our mother quit church, she was out of church for three years, and got back into church,our mother died when I was in 9: th grade, My sister was at the morgue i guess what it's called, anyway she was trying to fix our mothers hair for the funeral and my sister started crying uncontrollable, well the pastor wife told my sister the reason our mother died was because she backslid, now our mother had been back in church for three before she died,

[@david_adoptee]

Kelly Hill I’m really sorry. What a horrible taste that would leave for anyone. This is why Paul taught that we can have all the gifts of the Spirit but without love it would all end up failing. Sounds like that particular church forgot all about 1Cor.13:13. Love should be the heart of what drives us as Christians, while the Holy Spirit is The One who motivates and guides us in all things. I know we are all imperfect humans and believers in the Lord Jesus, but we all are His workmanship. So I hope you don’t still hate church. The Lord still wants us to gather together. It’s essential to the body. God bless you and give you peace. In Jesus’ name

[@nikolapupovac2893]

I just burst out laughing when this guy said "my name is jeff"

[@sampeake4235]

Yes!

[@CousinKaylee]

What part? Lol

[@micheledreams4771]

I was a bit confused about the differences about the doctrine of the UPCI when I first began listening to this because my upbringing was a mixed bag of Pentecostal, Baptist AND Southern Baptist ...as crazy as that is! So, as a young child on up into my teenage years I didn’t truly believe in any kind of Doctrine or maybe even questioned at times if God was real because there seemed to be so much contradiction between these Doctrines and it caused a lot of confusion in me. I was also raised that if I did anything wrong-sinned in any way, God would be mad at me and smite me with sores on my head or punish me in some horrible way. And so from my adolescent years on up into my late 20’s, early 30’s I pretty much had my own belief that, “If God was such a mean, cruel God ready to inflict so much punishment upon me at any given moment and Satan was just as cruel and hated me and wanted to devour me like a roaring lion, then I just wouldn’t serve either one of them.” Thus begun my descent into living for me, me, me- doing a lot of things I truly regret. And really, I was living for worldly things just basically not really following any doctrine because of the bad taste “Christianity” had put in my mouth. I didn’t even classify myself as atheist, I was just numb and indifferent for a very long time. I felt that I simply ‘existed’ and that was all there was because I refused to give my allegiance to God or Satan. And this led me down many, many dark paths. I even went to jail for warrants for drug-related crimes I had been committing in several different Counties among many other various things I was doing that wasn’t right. So, my point is that we have to either live for God, otherwise we’re living for the Devil whether we realize it or not. Thank God that today as an adult I do know the truth and for me the truth is that I believe that (in very short summary) God sent Jesus, His only begotten Son to this earth Who died for the whole world’s sins and was resurrected by the power of God and that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life and that there is no way to the Father except through Him. I know I am nothing without Him. I also don’t believe “Once Saved, always Saved-because of a dream that God gave me about 30 years ago. I believe we have to repent daily and stay in the Word, pray without ceasing, have faith, and do our best to live and do what Jesus did when He was here on this Earth. None of us are perfect, of course. But the Word of God renews our minds daily. This is just a very brief take on my testimony and how Jesus Christ was so very patient with me-waiting for me all of those years to show me who He really is-not this ‘wrathful God’ from the Old Testament, but that Grace abounds in the New Covenant after Jesus took on all of our sins on that Cross and I continuously run to His Mercy Seat where the Blood of the Lamb is applied! Now, as far as speaking in tongues, I received the gift of tongues and I believe that it isn’t required as a part of our Salvation. It’s a “gift” if we want it and it helps us immensely in our prayer life because the enemy can’t understand what we are praying when we speak in tongues. And I am a prayer warrior so it does have it’s benefits. But anyway, I got off track-my apologies. My point is that when I FINALLY understood what the UPCI was indoctrinating- part of their belief was/is that one must receive speaking in tongues as part of their Salvation and that, in and of itself is so WRONG! The barking and rolling around that they did and in some churches today is coming back as a “thing” and it just reminds me of Pagan practices such as Kundalini Yoga experiences that people have when they invoke the serpent spirit into them to uncoil and “awaken” them by ultimately opening up their third eye, which is very demonic! But they make all these crazy noises, they do this weird laughter, and roll around, etc. Some churches are getting weird in this sort of way of how they are acting. And the Holy Spirit doesn’t cause this crazed, kooky kind experience people had during that movement. The church needs to wake up!

[@RKKDesign]

Alll is ONE

[@davidortega357]

The prophet JOEL. PROPHESIAD A THOUSAND. YEARS. BEFORE CHRIST. JOEL 2:28 THAT IN THE LAST DAYS I WILL POUR OUT OF. MY. SPIRIT. UPON. ALL FLESH THE EARLY. RAIN FELL ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST THE LATTER. RAIN FELL. IN THE 1900 AZUSA STREET L A . IN TOPEKA. KAN AND ALL. OVER. THE. EARTH

[@JesusWordApologetics]

Modalistic Monarchianism, Sabellianism: AKA Oneness, that there are no distinctions between the “persons” of the Godhead-the one God manifests Himself at different times and for different purposes in three different “modes” or “aspects.”

[@samuellundin5328]

Jesus' Word Not necessarily at different times. It is just so common for trinitarians to twist our doctrine to make us look bad. We do not hold to sequential modalism.

[@msolav63]

@@samuellundin5328 but Oneness are Trinitatians too. They believe in three modes or a trinity of modes. The mode of the Father The mode of the Son The mode of the Holy Spirit God Bless You!

[@davidengle8950]

@@samuellundin5328 And they do not believe in three Gods as the pagans believed in many gods. Oneness are historical for saying this about trinitarian believers.

[@msolav63]

Nature, Oneness believers reject the Trinity but use Trinitarianism in their thoughts. They're inconsistent in articulating what they believe, for they cannot correlate your doctrine with all the teachings of the Bible without affirming something like the doctrine of the Trinity. So, Oneness Pentecostals end up affirming a God in "three manifestations" or a God in "three modes of activity" or a God in "three roles or performances" or a God in "three masks" or a God in "three spheres "but according to oneness God is never and can never be a God in" three persons ", since this is very incoherent, Lol. Oneness say that God is indivisible as to his existence. Therefore, it is not that one "part" of God exists as the Father, another as a Son, and so on. Rather, the whole of Deity is fully present in each of the "sphere or modes." But the strange thing is that Oneness believers hold that God can be in these three "roles" simultaneously. Therefore, God acts and exists fully as the omnipresent Father, God exists fully as the incarnate Son and God exists fully within the believer as the Holy Spirit and HE does all of this at the SAME TIME. That is, the God who exists in the mode of the Son or Jesus exists completely "outside" the mode of God the Father and the mode of the God the Holy Spirit and each "mode" or "sphere" can therefore be called " The". Also, God can act, speak or manifest himself personally from any of his three personal forms of existence simultaneously and individually. As, for example, in the baptism of Jesus, Matthew 3-13-17, in where the supposed modes manifested themselves, completely, personally and simultaneously or at the same time. Therefore, from this point of view, God exists fully and personally in one "sphere or mode" and that at the same time he can communicate with himself while existing fully and personally in another sphere or mode. Only with this we could say that the Oneness point of view is similar to classical Trinitarianism. To say that God can exist fully and that he can personally exist in three different ways is almost indistinguishable from saying that God exists in three "persons." So is a "Trinity of activity or modes" less mysterious than a "Trinity of people?" No, but nonetheless Onenessers go through with their attacks and endless twists, branding the Trinity as a logical and biblical monstrosity while at the same time they also believe in a Trinity by affirming and admitting that the one indivisible God can exist and exists in at least three different ways, that it does it completely, that it does it personally and that it does it simultaneously. In fact, up to this point, oneness affirms exactly the SAME MYSTERY expressed in the doctrine of the Trinity. Therefore, the mystery of the TRINITY IS INEVITABLE whether one labels or calls it "sphere or mode" or as a "different person". It does not matter whether this trinity is held to be eternal or merely temporary; It does not matter if one maintains that Jesus is the “unique personality” that shines through each manifestation independently, or if he is the “second“ person. ”In other words, Oneness are TRINITARIANS. God bless you!

[@msolav63]

@Nature Victorious The bible is centered and based on the tribes of Israel and there is no way to separate this from Christianity. God wanted to reveal himself to men and chose the Israelites to do it. God uses and does as HE pleases. It is impossible to question Him. The most important thing is that God wants a relationship with us. God Bless You!

[@raymondboone9717]

I've been upc for almost 29 years, and I am so thankful that my church is nothing like you are referring 🙏. We believe in yes one God, Jesus is the I AM. That is scriptural..... Speaking in tounges is the evidence of Jesus spirit in you, and yes that's scriptural! Water babtizem in Jesus name is also scriptural. Jesus said if they preach different what I have taught, don't listen to them . And I heard someone say they pushed there religion on them, go to the Mormons for that... Maybe it's a Canadian thing, but here in Oklahoma we don't do that... You guys keep digging, and Jesus blessings

[@AnthonyY55]

Quick question how would you explain Daniel 7? When the son of man is before the ancient of days and is given dominion, glory and a kingdom. If Jesus is the ancient of days how can he be before himself? Also why does he need to be given a kingdom dominion and glory if he already has that by being the ancient of days? I’m trying to understand exactly wha you guys believe, thanks have a blessed day

[@laurelneth]

@@AnthonyY55 God has no beginning and has no end. He is eternal and can break into His creation wherever and whenever he wants. He is the same, yesterday, today and forever

[@AnthonyY55]

@@laurelneth amen I agree with that you just recited scripture but you didn’t answer the question.

[@Mark-ye9pi]

@@AnthonyY55 Becuase Jesus is the Beginning and the End (Alpha and Omega Revelation 1:8), the author and the finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2). This means that Jesus is the Father of the Old Testament and the Son of God in the New Testament. God’s nature as the “Last Adam” (1 Corinthians 15:22) was revealed from before the beginning of the world (2 Timothy 1:9) when he thought to create Adam.

[@eliseurocha3456]

Raymond a PAZ do Senhor Jesus Cristo meu irmão sou da UPCI No Brasil.

[@mschrisbicki]

Can you dig into the current day Pentecostal church? I know it will be hard because there is so many different “variations”, and not all UPCI churches teach the same, but I think it would be interesting.

[@Trayln68]

HI Christina, I was raised in this organization and have family who still attend. All UPCI churches teach the same doctrine. It is "Armenian" instead of "Calvinistic" and to be saved they believe one MUST: 1) Repent 2) Be Baptized in Jesus Name (no other way) 3) receive the Holy Ghost by speaking in tongues. The only variation between the churches are in the "standards" or rules of the church. Things like if a person's sleeve has to be below the elbow or if it can be a couple inches shorter. If a person can wear a gold watch or wedding band, and all different rules, too many to think of. The churches have become a little more lax, especially when it comes to men. In many, they can now have beards and wear shorts that fall below their knees. The women, not so lax. Still no makeup, cutting of their hair, ( some believe in "holy magic hair" others do not), or wearing "bifurcated" garments, meaning only skirts; and below their knees. The only thing I have seen is women can now wear leggings underneath. Back when I was growing up, that would have been a sin, even though tights were ok. Of course, all these different rules makes it difficult, for people who go to one church, it is a sin, but if you go to another, it is not a sin. It becomes "do what the pastor says" instead of what does the Bible actually teach. I know it has been a while since you posted and you may already know all this, but I though I would just write this out to help people understand the organization.

[@flowerwht]

@@Trayln68 I am looking to get baptised as I only got baptised as a baby (I'm catholic). Do you know what the process of getting baptised in this church is ? Thanks

[@Trayln68]

@@flowerwht Hello. Yes, and no..they baptize by immersion, in the name of Jesus. Usually in a gigantic big bathtub like setup. The reason I said no is because in my experience, they will want to see you actively repent (not just ask if you have) so that would be like going up to the alter in the church, or praying in someone's presence, and you will be expected to pray and seek the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues. (you may have already done all of that, but they would expect you to prove it) I think if you approach a UPC church just to be baptized, well, I am just not sure what response you will get. It could be really kind, or they could become very persistent and it could be an overall weird experience. If I were you, I would go to a non-denominational church that believes in the gifts of the Spirit. A lot will baptize in the name of Jesus if you ask them to, but will only ask you if are a Christian, not tell you whether you are or not based on their own beliefs. I was baptized in a UPC church when I was a child. I was baptized again in a Assemblies of God church as an adult. This particular pastor would baptize saying "In the name of the father, son and holy ghost, which is Jesus" I really liked that and it was a wonderful experience.

[@MuMu-fu7qe]

@@Trayln68 Hi Tracy, just want to add real quick that it's arminian not Armenian. Armenian is the ethnicity from the country Armenia (like the Kardashians.) There is an Armenian Orthodox Christian Church (one of the oldest in existence) so spelling it as 'Armenian' could potentially cause a misunderstanding.

[@davidortega357]

William Branham was considered an unstable minister having come out of Baptist trinitarian then into Oneness the back into circles he was popular with both factions many old-time Oneness people admired his ministry Jim Jones also falls into the same position

[@NathanBerryNC]

As a member of the IPHC, International Pentecostal Holiness Church, I find it offensive that you lump up people being in the Spirit, allowing Him to lead, and in the Biblical speaking of tongues is cultish. The revival you speak of is valuable history of what the Lord has done and can do.

[@campfireaddict6417]

Nathan Berry What has the lord done?

[@onix3425]

@@campfireaddict6417 he saved my parent's. My dad is 86 and living for God. He was a alcoholic addict. And found the Truth! The apostles doctrine is the truth. My dad is preaching in the prison system. At 86. Please. Understand these men are not.

[@viktorprud5566]

Nathan Berry i grew up in a Russian Pentecostal Church, they go off feelings and speaking in tongues only. Not biblically based, I left that church because they don’t follow the Bible. Pentecostals lead with feelings and say it’s the spirit.

[@Linda-xw9lj]

In 1977 I was in the shower. I had never heard of speaking in tongues. I was praying and all of sudden, I was speaking in tongues. I wasn’t even in a church. So you tell me.

[@AdamosDad]

There is error here in that the Oneness folks believe you are not saved unless you are Baptized in Jesus Name only and speak in tongue's but don't throw out the baby with the bath water my Baptist brothers and sisters Pentecost was and is real. Yes it is abused by many but there is truth here also. I consider my self as a Bapticostal.

[@allysonfarrell8549]

I agree, when I was born- again, I had a very powerful witness of the Spirit-- I felt the Lord's love , light and majesty so strongly the very moment I asked Him to forgive me of my sins and that I wanted Him to come into my life- I meant it with all my heart! His presence was so strong with me for almost a week, at that time in my life ( I was 18 yrs old) I knew next to nothing about the truth of the Bible and what it taught. If it were true that every truly born-again child of God all speak in tongues as a sign then I most certainly would have, and without having to have know anything about it. I believe that the Word of God makes it clear, according to Paul's letters, that speaking in tongues is a gift for the edifying of the body of Christ and not all have this gift, just as the other gifts are given to each individual for the edifying of the body of Christ. Paul tells us that there is also suppose to be an interpreter as well-- many Pentecostal churches seem to ignore this important instruction in scripture.

[@AdamosDad]

@@allysonfarrell8549 Amen Sister! See you in Glory.

[@AdamosDad]

@Daniel Tipton The LORD our GOD is ONE.

[@AdamosDad]

@Daniel Tipton After being saved from a drunken, drug filled life in 1981, the Lord lifted me up to walk with Him every day, He has never let me stumble. I believe there is one God that is a loving Father. He is awesome beyond comprehension and cannot be defined by man, He sent His Son who existed eternally with Him to pay the price of our redemption. We are created in His image, body, mind and spirit. I am a changed man that has put on immortality because of what He did. You asked what I am and that's the only way I can describe it. Just a little tip, if you type in all caps people view it as screaming and will just turn of to it. May God richly bless all of his Children.

[@sammyt4549]

Holy caps lock Batman!

[@AZSETX]

Please provide one scripture in which anyone was baptized in the Trinity formula…

[@Zale180]

Being baptized in Jesus name shows what they did not what they said. You can't find where they said those words "in Jesus name." Name simply means authority. Use the definitions that they used to get the correct understanding.

[@shantebigelow8180]

I very much enjoy and appreciate this podcast, but this one fell a bit short. The guests were excellent and thorough in their information and explanations. I'm looking forward to hearing more. However, as hosts it seemed as though you were attempting to attach extreme examples and/or much more nefarious and unbiblical doctrine to the movement. I know the UPCI, and it seemed like a bit of a reach, even if you're starting with a minimal understanding of the movement. Also, you misquoted Acts 2:38. You left out "every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins". I believe that was all that was misquoted without going back to double check. I'm sure this was accidental, but it is a significant portion of that scripture, especially when discussing baptism and discussing it alongside Matthew 28:19.

[@Vampyrekai]

I felt the same way. They are reaching when describing this group as a 'cult' and continuously tried to lead the guests to paint them in the worst light possible but the guests always dialed it back.

[@andys3035]

The UPC is absolutely a cult. I came out of it. They teach that Jesus is the Father, so they are anti-trinitarian, they teach baptismal regneration, works based salvation, tongues as THE evidence of the baptism of the Spirit and salvation, stringent holiness standards imposed on others, the are typically KJV onlyists, strict tithing, slain in the Spirit, etc. Bibically, they are far and extreme outside of historical biblical Christianity.

[@Vampyrekai]

@@andys3035 Yeah and Catholics pray to dead people and worship idols. They may have some poor theology but does that automatically make them a cult? I don't want to alarm you but.... I doubt your theology is perfect either.

[@andys3035]

@@Vampyrekai The standard is the revealed text of scripture, so I have to test what I believe against that. We are all fallible. However, when we look at the UPC, it fails the test, the standard, on multiple levels. So this isn't about myself but about what an organization is feeding to it's members. As far as Catholics, I am not a Catholic but they aren't classified as a cult as they hold to many essential and historical doctrines but yes, I agree, they have some teachings that are unbiblical and based on tradition as you mention.

[@Vampyrekai]

@@andys3035 I wasn't a part of the UPC so my perspective is limited. I am just cautious about labeling every denomination that isn't 100% in line with our preferred doctrine as a cult. We would need to define what a cult is.

[@marcrowd]

It’s not the Apostolics that take scripture in an isolated way. Apostolics take the Bible in its entirety to come to their theology. Trinitarians try to create a theology to the exclusion of Acts.

[@marcrowd]

@WALDO Jesus IS God, not equal to him.

[@spencerbrown4158]

@WALDO nothing you said makes biblical sense at all. Then by that logic Peter is not being obedient. Christ is God. Period Please read Isaiah 9:6. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. God is a spirit...he is invisible that is why no man has ever seen him.....oh you need bible for that too. ...oh....hold on 1 Timothy 1:17 KJVS Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

[@corbannoahofficial]

"Better than I deserve." I'm detecting a Dave Ramsey fan!

[@87crlucas]

Too funny! I thought the exact same time.......

[@kevingrems]

Dave Ramsey is a boomer meme.

[@davidortega357]

Put Geno Jennings on his beliefs of truth of God his on yube tube

[@jamiedaulton3541]

My fiancé and his family grew up deep in the Holiness church. I moved to eastern KY from ND going on 5 years ago and have been around this religion since. While snake handling is illegal or atleast catching them is they still do it at most every church preaching. They believe that handling the snakes and not being bit will show your faith in god and gods faith in you. They still do revivals and fasting is still very much a thing. They’ve actually talked about fasting as if they’re giving it up to god and do it more often than I’ve ever heard of people doing it. While most preach no outside sources there are some who still have TVs, watch the news, and read newspapers. I’m not sure what would be the reason to not know what’s going on in the world other than I have been told you’re suppose to trust in god. “Holiness or Hell” is what they say. To me this is very much a cult down here. My fiancé hasn’t gone to this church since before I moved here and while I was open to it when I first came, I have very much decided against that the more I’ve learned. Speaking in tongues is something you see/hear and it’s often spoken about being an honor like the spirit is in you making you do that. The men and women also sit on separate sides because your mind should be on god not each other. Your hair is to be half up half down with a big bump on top and skirts like the Mormon churches often wear. No makeup and even jewelry. You can wear a wedding ring but they’re very minimalistic often times just bands because if it’s fancy you’re being bostful and prideful. It’s sinful to show off with earrings or a necklace. They say they don’t require that but they want people to look the same so when you’re in public everyone knows that you are holiness. There’s actually some videos on KZbin from his church. I wish you would look into this religion further.

[@RKKDesign]

All three are ONE

[@Iffmeister]

true. but God is not "one" and "three" in the same way. He is one in essence/nature but three in persons. The baptism narrative makes no sense AT ALL if God is simply one person.

[@amyd3793]

How can you kindly tell a pastor of a UPC I church he is wrong about the trinity? We have been going to one, lovely people there. Are they all decieved and doomed?

[@TexasHoosier3118]

The teaching on modalism is not in line with Scripture. I do not think that will condemn them. But their hatred towards trinitarians might be an issue on judgement day.

[@RKKDesign]

The holy Spirit is powerful

[@timsharpe6652]

Yes . But what is your point ? We know the Holy Spirit is Powerful . Part of the Triune Godhead 🙏

[@javierdelgado1554]

If believing that Jesus is God in the flesh and that there is only one God who came in the flesh... and that makes me a cult then I'm guilty as charged.

[@love4thetruth]

To the creator of this video........Is the church you are in signed onto the Ecomunical Dialogue?

[@ep6026]

How can you guys explain the trinity when the very definition of it sounds confusing. Yet you reject people who don't understand it implying that because they don't have the Holy Spirit? If Christian's have witnessed things of the Spirit but still dont understand, that implies confusion? Seems like its easy for the mind of man to deem things confusing 'things not of God', doesnt scripture say that the wisdom of God is considered foolishness to man?

[@toomanymarys7355]

You are abusing that verse to mean that God promises to limit his being to your personal intelligence level. If you are to ignorant or stupid to understand something, then it can't be true. How stupid a person does that promise hold true for? IQ of 50? 20? 15? Oneness depend on abusing the scriptures by taking them out of context. Read the whole chapter. What is it about? Is it about God promising that his nature is limited by your intelligence? Or is it Paul admonishing people that church services are not to be chaotic, confusing, and disorganized, because that is not from God?

[@jcer85]

Sorry new to this , is this podcast cessationist????

[@sunnylilme]

I live in Louisiana. Like one in 10 here are Pentecostal

[@stevenq2098]

What’s the difference between a oneness Pentecostal and a normal Pentecostal? Or it it the same?

[@markforsythe1916]

Some so called pentecostals that held on to reformed theology from the Roman catholic church are trinitarian. True pentecostals that get there doctrine from the book of Acts when the new Testament church was born; believe in the oneness of the Godhead.

[@davidengle8950]

@@markforsythe1916 No such thing as Pentecostal. Pentecost simply refers to the passover. No denominations found in the bible. I know a guy that will give you $1,000 if you can show him your denomination in the bible. He has no takers as of this date. Denominations are man made not what God meant when he said I will build my church.

[@markforsythe1916]

@@davidengle8950 the true new testament church IS pentecostal in experience..Jew Acts 2:38, half Jew Acts 8, Gentile Acts 10..

[@davidengle8950]

Atheists is like, man you people with all of your divisions or what you call denominations. You have a bible with 66 books and how many denominations that believe and teach differently, being divided which strictly goes against the scripture, do you all speak the same thing according to scripture? Is there one faith mentioned in the bible or many ? Was Timothy told to tell them in Ephesus to teach no other doctrine than what he had been taught? The Atheists is like, you people can't even obey what the scripture says because of all of your division and yet you expect me to believe something ? Do you think when God said I will build my church he was talking about all denominational body of believers ? You are not all speaking the same thing, having one faith, one baptism and one judgement and complying with let there be no divisions among you. Waiting for all the high scholars to answer this. Don't want to hear about your creeds and manuals you need to go along with the bible as if its not enough for you in itself. The authors of confusion is the denominational sectarian groups that all claim to have the truth and can prove it by their endless debates using their perspective scriptures to validate them but yet when the debates are over, neither side has convince the other they might be in error and need to further investigate. Now how pleased do you think God is with any of the aforementioned ? I'm waiting patiently for a scholarly answer.

[@davidengle8950]

@@markforsythe1916 Why not just say you are Christians instead of all of these names ?

[@jamesmagana4327]

I been baptized in jesus name wouldnt have it any other way. Acts 238. Is the only way for me

[@johnnyjohnsonston2581]

My grandfather was a UPC pastor. I believe that Penocostals are correct on Jesus name baptism and the oneness of God, but I don't agree with the necessity of speaking in tongues for salvation.

[@sevensickszero8966]

@@johnnyjohnsonston2581 Genesis 19:24"Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;".........how many Yahweh's do you see in this verse?

[@johnnyjohnsonston2581]

@@sevensickszero8966 One. The next verse says "And HE overthrew those cities" not they.

[@sevensickszero8966]

@@johnnyjohnsonston2581 yeah they are" one"....

[@davidortega357]

I believe in Oneness doctrine except tithing Paul or Peter didn't teach tithing tithing came out of the RCC now all Christianity does tithing I tithe most of my life but the last 10 years I see it differently tithes was food meats property Jews only it was like taxes I do support the church with money offerings and donations but it must come from the heart ❤️

[@Gamminology]

Where is the second episode?

[@DawnHub666]

the more i watch u question other sects, the more i want to question yours. see how cultish it is. lmao

[@juliandoyley2103]

In recounting the Azusa street revival, why are you not discussing the many documented healings and miracles? Are you given a balanced account? Even if you do not believe that the movement was of God?

[@audreysottomayor8770]

ther are no documented accounts ...no doctors reports about the sickness to begin with and no doctors reports to prove they were healed..Jeshua said Do not be deceived,,,test the spirits...study to show yourself approved with effort..it is an evil generation that looks for signs and wonders,,,

[@juliandoyley2103]

Audrey Sottomayor - there is no need to look for signs and wonders really - that wasn’t the point that I made. I was saying that it’s not a fair representation to completely ignore the reports of healings and miracles. They could at least say “there were reports of many miracles, but we have not got any verification, maybe we can look into this further”. Instead they ignore it, that shows bias. Don’t you think?

[@juliandoyley2103]

Audrey Sottomayor - just to add to the point about signs - I have asked God to heal my children in Jesus name and they have been healed. I have confessed Jesus as Christ by the grace of God and I believe that He was raised from the dead having died for the sins of the world. I have fruit of repentance and holiness in my life which is consistent with the bible. God may not heal every sickness, but, am I a “deceiver” for asking God to heal people when I pray for them based on the bible? I welcome you to “test the spirits” in my case

[@audreysottomayor8770]

@@juliandoyley2103 I never called you a deceiver .. sorry you took it that way ...of course I believe that Yahweh heals .. I totally do .. I am just wary of all the counterfeit spirits around .. it was nothing personal and I don't really understand why you would take it that way

[@juliandoyley2103]

Audrey Sottomayor - you appeared highly skeptical to the point of being dismissive of what happened at Azusa street. You implied that this sort of experience is what Jesus was referring to with regards to deception. I claim similar experiences in my life but have a scriptural confession of faith (as they admit in this video). I wondered what led you to all but dismiss the Azusa revival as not coming from God?

[@BPRUWITME]

In this post, Azusa Street revival is characterized as strange, bizarre, and outlandish. In other posts, the Azusa Street revival will be characterized as the beginning of the charismatic movement and is mentioned in a positive light. There are many, many things mentioned in this post that have absolutely nothing to do with the UPCI. William Brahman, Benny Hinn, snakehandlers, etc...none of these have ANYTHING to do with the UPCI in the sense of affiliation or acceptance/approval. This would be like mentioning any crazy doctrine that comes out of any mainstream church and then discrediting that mainstream church. Please study what the UPCI actually believe and teach. There's nothing unusual about it when compared to the book of Acts and the first 150 years of church history. Tertullian would (and did) agree.

[@davidortega357]

I heard a lot about Azusa street revival infact the 4 major Pentecostal denomination came out of that Mission AOG PAW cof 4 Foursquare cogic From PAW. They started a ministry for the Latino population in Los Angeles area it was called Apostolic Assembly of the faith in Jesus Christ largest Spanish speaking denomination in the United States also in Mexico latin America

[@davidortega357]

After Azusa revival.it birth 4 denominations besides Jesus only Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal , Assemblies of God , Church of God in Christ , Church of the Foursquare gospel Church of God and many splinter groups

[@marygiallanza9799]

Coming out of a Cultish Indepedent Baptist Church that Voted you out if the Pastor convinced the men that you were not 100% doctrinally in agreement ! I was cast out after separating from abusive sociopathic husband. Later they found out they made a mistake! This is a spiritual lack of direction those ppl that condemned me should have apologized. Cultish like actions takes discernment, the Lord showed me they were more worshipful toward their own doctrine and bylaws than asking God for truth in every situation. They worship their Own Rules Man Made Doctrine/Idols