Tiny but Mighty Audio Recorder - TASCAM FR-AV2 vs ZOOM F3

[@curtisjudd]

CORRECTION: The AK-BT2 Bluetooth module is actually $59 USD (not $69 I cited in the video) Apologies for that. NOTE: One commenter said that the Bluetooth module allows the product company to get the wireless module approved for sale with Japanese regulatory agencies while they're still finishing the product (have not researched this personally, just passing on the note). Another potential upside is that the product companies may be able to produce updated modules as Bluetooth matures so you wouldn't have to replace your recorder to take advantage of the new functionality. Again, *possibly.

[@DroseMr]

Also be cool for camera to start stop recorder even if wasnt perfect sync🤷🫡Thank You

[@parkviewphotography7529]

I’m hoping the new Bluetooth adapter will be for more products down the road. I’m hoping for an update to the X8. Maybe a Tascam FR-AV8 that has the same Timecode abilities like this recorder. We need @Curtisjudd to find out for us and then conduct another one of these incredible videos. 👍🏽

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[@patrickdonegan9559]

i have seen devices with bluetooth for $10.

[@curtisjudd]

@@patrickdonegan9559 I've seen a good bit of variability in the quality and latency of various bluetooth devices. Maybe that's a factor?

[@michaelm6522]

Other KZbinrs should take note: it is possible to do a review without superlatives and hyperbole! Thank you, Curtis.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Michael!

[@alaneddy4575]

Yep. Curtis shoots straight and to the point. Been a fan for years.

[@seanp2k617]

This; clearly a professional.

[@GillesVanderstraeten]

I agree 100%

[@alonzojt]

First thing I thought when I saw this Tascam was:”seems a good product but let’s wait for Curtis review”. So yes, it is a good device. Thanks Curtis. As always.

[@FLAMENCO961]

same here

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[@yannstewart1355]

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[@TheMelodyGod]

Can Zoom be used as an interface as well?

[@alonzojt]

@@TheMelodyGod if you mean audio interface for computer answer is yes.

[@kenrknight]

I will never buy an audio device without your review first. Thanks for sharing Curtis, thorough and informative review. Really appreciate what you’re doing. God bless

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[@dyong888]

I think Tascam has done a thorough examination of their main competitor the Zoom F3 and flawlessly delivered a product to take it head on and beat it. And about time too as the F3 has been around for many years. I have been looking for Curtis's review ever since he mentioned that he was going to receive it this week. Thank you again Curtis for an excellent review. Your reviews are the ones I look for by name when I want to know more about such devices.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks @dyong888

[@djstealth4]

11:30 I was trying to explain this exact point about the F3 to someone yesterday, but you made it so much more succinctly!

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[@andrewmason8691]

In a world where we are cynical about reviews from KZbinrs, Curtis stands out for his integrity, objectivity and subject knowledge. Thanks, Curtis.

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[@Bo_Hazem]

As always, impressive and professional review. Best audio man on KZbin.

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[@jjmmfi]

Exactly video I needed!!!! Was on a market for one and your channel has the one of the best source when it comes to high quality audio content on video productions. Not just typical video production people reviewing audio products who are not professionals on that area. Thanks!!

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[@mauriciolee7349]

Thank Curtis for this DETAILED and UNIQUE comparison of TASCAM FR-AV2 and ZOOM F3. As of today, Oct. 8th, 2024, yours is the ONLY one that compare these 2 products. This is exactly what I need to make an informed decision of buying a portable audio recorder.

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[@zieeho]

If Curtis smiles a little, it's a good sign. Thanks Curtis.

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[@team2films]

Great video as always Curtis. Thank-you for taking the time to consistently make the best audio reviews on KZbin.

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[@pickleydoo]

Love your objectivity and honesty! And your brilliant deep dives into these instruments. Thank you Curtis!

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[@Shuttterbugg]

Another great review. Curtis u are the man of audio. Seriously noone compares.

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[@kane01337]

Fantastic review & Comparison - really love the breakdown and sections + testing, also particularly appreciate honesty of user experience & thoughts on screen reflectivity etc!! You are by far becoming one of if not the best audio hardware reviewers on youtube! Keep up the awesome reviews & comparisons - subscribed :)

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks!

[@timgleaves9496]

I appreciate your nonbiased approach to reviews. Thank you! Your reviews are super helpful!

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[@Joyful-Yarn]

This was beyond useful. I am in the market for my first audio recorder and am deciding between these two. Thank you!

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[@Kavika-xh1qj]

Wow, empirical and practical examples of performance without hyperbole or nonsense. Well done señor, definitely a benchmark for how to do a proper review. Great video and lighting also. New sub! Thank you for all the hard work and attention to detail put into this video. Greetings from Spain!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks! 👍

[@Samlol23_drrich]

Absolutely the best authority in the AV space. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

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[@fransv1398]

Thank you for the nice and extensive review Curtis. I do have a question though. At 2:39 you measure a max RMS level for the noise of -68.25 dB for the Tascam and at 3:32 for the Zoom -58.19 dB. This is a difference of 10.06 dB. Both Tascam and Zoom themselves specify an EIN of 127 dBu or less for these recorders. Is there an explanation how this is possible?

[@curtisjudd]

EIN is a different measurement than what I measured. Mine was a practical measurement. Not the same thing.

[@fransv1398]

@@curtisjudd Thanks for replying Curtis. EIN is indeed a different measurement than the practical noise level measurement. With your practical noise measurement, the noise is measured over a resistor that is then amplified. Could it be that the gain of the zoom during the practical noise measurement was about 10 dB more than the gain of the Tascam. This could explain the 10.06 dB difference in the practical measurement.

[@curtisjudd]

@@fransv1398 The test assumes that each of the recorders is set to an optimal gain for their preamplifier design. I don't know what gain level that is, but assume that the engineers chose something that would ensure low noise performance with enough gain for the microphone signal to sit above the noise floor but to also leave plenty of headroom so that louder sounds could also be captured with out distorting the preamp. So it just looks like Tascam's preamps produce less self-noise at the gain level set by their engineers vs. the ZOOM F3.

[@fransv1398]

@@curtisjudd Thanks Curtis. That's exactly my point. The Tascam not only produces less noise but most likely also less signal due to the lower gain. The practical noise level measurement in my opinion doesn't really say anything if you don't know the gain at which it was measured. The EIN of the recorder (measured at maximum gain) therefore gives in my opinion a better indication of the quality of the pre amp. Because both recorders have the same EIN it could even be that the Tascam performs worse in practice (with a microphone connected to the input) than the Zoom recorder due to the possibly lower gain.

[@curtisjudd]

@@fransv1398 Ok, I am open to suggestions on how I should test this. The companies do not share the fixed gain that their recorders supply and they both max out at 60dB of digital (post conversion) gain. So my thinking was that at a practical level, this is going to be somewhat useful. Also, I would not necessarily assume that less analogue gain automatically means less noise. I see your point that one of them may be supplying less gain - that's valid, of course. But higher quality preamps can generate less noise at an equal gain level vs another preamp. Also, at a practical level, I was easily able to gain up the SHURE SM7B with the Tascam or the F3 at around the same digital gain levels (around 50dB) so any difference in the analogue gain used by each unit is probably not that big.

[@THEMARCKNIGHT]

I bought the F3 literally three days before the Tascam was announced 😅 but I‘m still happy with it since in Germany the F3 is about 100€ cheaper than the Tascam and I still have my Zoom F6 if I need more features. Great video, as always :)

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[@ferraz916]

Curtis has really raised the bar for reviews. When I look for a product that Curtis hasn't reviewed yet and watch other channels, I really miss numerical comparisons. Subjective analysis is important, but evaluations based on measurable data are excellent. I'm excited for your review of the COMICA VM40. Have you checked out this microphone? Shotgun microphone with internal 32-bit float recording, wireless transmission, and analog and digital output directly from the microphone. I hope this microphone influences other manufacturers positively.

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[@NaipiaGaming]

Things I liked -Plugin power (2.5 V or 5 V) to avoid adapters like VXLR+ which can sometimes introduce more noise -Time code options -Combo jack no need to worry about XLR to quarter inch adapters -Direct 3.5mm input for lav mics

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[@jayrey7]

I literally have the Tentacle Time Code on my cart ready. Just waiting for that Tascam to make it to Sweetwater to be ready to purchase my next order for future content. Thank you for this content. It was great. 👏 I love that Tascam too.

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[@ww1www]

Ever since the day it was announced, I am almost 100% sure I will be replacing the F3 with this FR-AV2. I might wait for the price to drop just a littlebit. The F3 is fantastic, especially at the price I got mine, but it has a few limitations all of which are covered by this Tascam. Sending a USB feed while recording, 3.5mm and 6.3 mm inputs without bulky adapters... And two types of timecode to top all these...

[@curtisjudd]

Pretty nice, yes. 👍

[@PawFromTheBroons]

Now if only they'd be willing to 2024 like the rest of us, and have inbuilt wireless support without an accessory dongle, that would be great.

[@ww1www]

@@PawFromTheBroons I can only guess that on some of their target markets radio equipped devices are problematic to import, get type-approved or just use. In the Zoom F8nPro, bluetooth is built in, but you have to enable it through a firmware download. The F2 and F2-BT are sold as different models. There must be some legal reason behind it, I think it is more cost to run two different models concurrently than the cost difference between BT and non-BT.

[@Grigoriy1996]

A couple of extra things need to be tested, though. How clean the preamps are above 20kHz (there was an issue with Portacapture, it's better to double-check) and whether 3.5 jack supports plug-in power because I used to own DR-701d and it didn't. The reason I like the new device but am also cautious is that Tascam was known for not having features you take for granted in the past.

[@mirceaungureanu5305]

Another fantastic review. I’ve just started learning about sound and your videos are my favourite. I plan on buying this recorder as a portable podcast setup with 2 x Shure SM58. Can it take both these mics at the same time while keeping noise down? I don’t understand if gain matters in 32bit float or just when recording 24bit and if the 60db of gain this recorder provides is per mic or total(30db split if both inputs are used). Thank you 🙏

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks! Yes, you can safely use both SM58s at the same time. The recorder can provide enough gain for each input.

[@ngocehgayabebas2118]

I’ve been waiting for this Tascam Curtis Judd’s review. Legend continues ❤

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[@DustinBairdsolo]

Curtis with the best reviews again.

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[@jenky1044]

That was very helpful. Thank you for your review and opinions. Nicely done.

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[@baconcrusader8382]

Thank you so much for this review! I've been waiting since the announcement for a detailed overview, and your thoughts are always on point. I'm going to grab one of these and test it out with intentions to use it for an upcoming location shoot I'm doing that requires backpacking gear in [so even my diminutive MP3ii is too big]. This should be perfect for running P48 boomed shotgun out in the wilds.

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[@steverolfeca]

Thank you, Curtis. Nice to see Tascam step up to the plate with a solid improvement in signal to noise. Zoom has had it far too easy in recent years!

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[@DavidEllsDP]

Hi Curtis, I just got a Deity TC-1 with the intention of using it to sync my C80, C70 and Zoom F3 on short shoots. I would jam each one to start and then leave the TC-1 connected to Input 2 XLR on the F3 using a 3.5mm to XLR cable. I just tested this setup and the Zoom F3 doesn't correctly sync. It's usually off by somewhere between 2 and 18 seconds. I can't find a correlation to the amount of difference yet. I'm using Premiere to sync and first I'm converting the F3's timecode using the modify menu and then selecting LTC. I then select 23.976 as a timebase. My TC-1 is set to that same framerate. As a fault isolation step I used my Canon R7 as a LTC source and that synced perfectly. Before anyone tells me that I need the Atomos UltraSync Blue timecode product for timecode on the F3 I'm aware of that patent situation. But I've seen on reddit people who have brute-forced the F3's timecode like I'm trying to do by monopolizing one of the 2 tracks. Any ideas for what to try next? For anyone curious, I found that jamming kept reliable sync between the C80 and C70 for about an hour. I could get away with 3 hours if 2-3 frames wouldn't be obvious when cutting between cameras (which is most of the time.) For perfect sync I'd need more TC-1s.

[@curtisjudd]

I’d contact DEITY support. Best wishes!

[@TheSeniorTec]

Seems like a nice kit. I've had many TASCAM products over the years, generally a good company. Price is an Issue, $400+$60+Tax ~ $500 I got my MixPre 6 MK2 for like $850 (1150 now) So if you need 2 channels then maybe. I seem to always need more channels... I don't buy ZOOM audio products so if I needed one I get one but I have the MixPre ii that does all of this in more... That my taught. Great review as always Curtis keep up the good work!

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[@jampaPT]

Best video I found talking about the new Tascam. Thank you very much.

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[@xx1simon1xx]

Bluetooth monitoring with bt headphones is just a killer feature for tiny crews that dont have a dedicated audio person. Giving the headphones to someone who has other stuff to do without tethering them to the device is perfect. Could also be used to give wireless monitoring to the director while you monitor on the device. I actually used to use a 3.5 to Bluetooth transmitter for this exact purpose, worked great.

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[@YuvakTuladhar]

Your reviews are the best. After hearing your review, I bought Mix Pre ii and the instructions from you, too. I was so happy I did. I know nothing about audio, but successfully ran the timecode on several cameras with Tentacle Sync E ii. Now I am looking for a smaller unit and it looks like Tascam is the one for me. Thank you for such a clear review. I tried to use the timecode with Zoom H6 by using one of the XLR audio channels with Tentacle Sync E ii and Lumix GH6 but the time stamp came out different between the two units, no matter how much I tried. Sync Es on both camera and Zoom H6 timecode matched but when imported to DaVinci Resolve 19 it did not work. So I want something that has a built-in timecode clock and looks like Tascam above is the one.

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[@YuvakTuladhar]

I managed to make timecode between Zoom H6 Essential to Sync Es and Lumix GH6 work. The culprit was daylight saving option checked in the GH6 clock. When I turned it off it worked.

[@curtisjudd]

@@YuvakTuladharthanks for sharing 👍

[@chrisdooks5903]

The gold standard of reviews as usual. One question - is the Tascam 3.5mm input stereo or mono?

[@curtisjudd]

Stereo.

[@corneliusdobeneck4081]

So in summery it's fair to say that regarding soundquality they are equal but the Tascam is much more flexible. Fair enough. Thanks again for the review! Knowledgeble and to the point. Salute. :)

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[@IamCurrentlyAscending]

I enjoy my Zoom stuff, but yes, those combo jacks are much desired.

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[@jayrey7]

I had a feeling you were going to make a content about that Tascam. I'm aiming to get that one sometime early next year. Thank you for this video.

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[@tiouip]

Same here😊 Awesome review! 👍🏼

[@DaftRebel]

Great review as always! really value how scientfic this tests oftenly get!

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[@xjet25]

After using Tascam X8 for a year I think I will be switching. Not because of audio quality but for the Timecode. I prefer tentacle sync and not the ultra sync/ultra blue. It has led me down the Atomos Ecosystem that I do not enjoy and find frustrating. Also the Bluetooth functionality of the Portacapture X8 only allows one functionality meaning you are either doing timecode or monitoring the X8 from your phone, but not both. This device can solve that. Thank you for the review and answers to my questions!

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[@smalltalk.productions9977]

thank you for the effort and the sharing. i am a longtime appreciative subscriber. you sir, do these types of audio gear reviews better than anyone on the web. yes, i am a fan. yes, you are my go-to. BIG thumbs up.

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[@gigihanmandarin]

Thanks Curtis. The legendary audio reviewer.

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[@JaredHoyman]

Excellent Review Curtis! Completely different class for comparison, but how would you compare the Tascam FR-AV2 with the Tascam Portacapture X8? I really love the interface of the X8, but I rarely if any use the internal stereo recording or go beyond two xlr connections. I would say the X8 would be ideal for a mobil podcast with 2-4 guests, but other than that it might be an overkill and larger footprint than desired for on the go.

[@curtisjudd]

I agree. I don’t use built-in stereo mics so the FR-AV2 is a better fit for me.

[@Justin_Allen]

I wanted to ask what the difference in bluetooth streaming that the Tentacle Sync Track E does vs the Tascam FR-AV2. Only because you stated at 7:47 that the Tascam is the only one that does this.

[@curtisjudd]

This does this at MUCH higher quality and more than just one channel at a time. This is what I would call a true monitoring system.

[@Justin_Allen]

@@curtisjudd Thanks Curtis for explaining the difference for me.

[@holderaso]

Muchas Gracias Curtis , al igual que otros yo tambien estaba esperando tu revision y opinion .

[@curtisjudd]

Gracias!

[@JamesClark1991]

Great review Curtis. It's worth noting that in the UK the Zoom F3 recordings are is susceptible to RF interference when you hold your smarphone within a foot, this happens with both my units and is super annoying. Very interested in trying the Tascam.

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[@grantbeachy]

Great informative review. Thanks!

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[@ekondigg6751]

Good review, as always. Using a resistor to check the self-noise without any extra noise from a mic is useful. I did think that the Zoom, coming in at -58dB according to your measurement, could be problematic: in general -60dB is a minimum to avoid intrusive noise, so -58dB is Ok. But when we sum the 2 channels, we have to take off 3dB, which is -55dB. That's moving into not quite-good-enough territory.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks.

[@Agrarvolution]

I can't thank you enough for this review! I wasn't aware of this new recorder yet, but I've been looking for a different small 32bit recorder than the Zoom F3 and maybe a replacement. I've been using one for over 2 years now, directly mounted on a camera rig on a gimbal to get good location sounds (basically to hear what the camera sees, which is pretty important for my work). And while I like the sounds the Zoom F3 produces, there is a lot to dislike from the recorder. To integrate it into my Tentacle System, I record the timecode signal on the additional XLR input. So in case I need to integrate a second source on the fly I currently just can't. I'm still puzzled why Zoom just didn't at least provide the option for a permanent jam sync for the device via an audio jack. Additionally I found the NiMH batteries to not last long enough. I currently use some Chinese lithium batteries with 1,5V conversion and low voltage indication. Overall, I find this solution to be rather janky and I don't like that Tascam doesn't offer a better battery solution here. Mounting the Zoom F3 is definitively a challenge. I solved this by using a small Smallrig swivel mount for small external monitors. It's not perfect for weight distribution, but it does the job. Otherwise the F3 has been pretty reliable for me, except for one Rode NTG-5, which always produced clicking in the audio with this recorder. This doesn't happen on my SoundDevices MixPre 6. 32bit enables you to hear the most surprising things, like when your boom mic starts to heavily distort because the sound clipped the microphone itself. :) Anyways, your review seems promising and I'll definitively will this one out. It seems to have solved most thins I am currently annoyed about with my Zoom F3.

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[@ursthomann3463]

Great video, Curtis, thanks. I own the F3 and the Tascam DR-701D. I believe the latter is now discontinued and is only 24 bit but gave me good results. I bought the F3 because I often need to have a low profile recording setup that is not too obtrusive when I record chamber music live concerts. The reason why I originally bought the DR-701D many years ago was its capability to be slaved to the camera record button via HDMI. I loved this feature very much because I could simply start the video recording and would not have to hassle with the separate starting of the audio recorder separately. Given the fact that both the F3 and the FR-AV2 are clearly targeting audio/video content creators, I wonder why none of these 32 bit float recorders offers this feature of the venerable DR-701D. I like the F3 but I would probably go with the FR-AV2, had that been available at the time I purchased the F3. The form factor of the FR-AV2 appears to be more suitable for on camera mounting than the F3, although I found a good solution for that as well by removing the rails.

[@curtisjudd]

I’m glad to hear they sorted out the HDMI record triggering. That was pretty unreliable when it was first released and also depends on the camera companies to implement record trigger signals. Not sure why TASCAM didn’t implement that here but cost and adding an HDMI port are probably factors.

[@ursthomann3463]

@@curtisjudd it works flawlessly with my Canon 5Div and now the Canon R5. I agree, there should be a simpler way for record triggering. Using the HDMI port just for that purpose seems to be a bit of an overkill.

[@petervanderham4725]

The one we were all waiting for! Thanks Curtis

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[@MichiMallu]

Curtis, what stand are you using @0:53, I hope it’s the same stand @1:45, thanks!

[@curtisjudd]

That's the Sound Devices Pix-E stand. Not sure whether they make it anymore or not.

[@MichiMallu]

@@curtisjudd I doubt, as you said, even their popular mixpre’s are hard to find in the market these days!

[@kyle2]

I've purchased an FR-AV2. The main drawbacks I experience are: 1) Poor bluetooth range. It does operate within the 30 ft spec unobstructed, but I was primarily comparing against the PCM A10 as a concert archivist - the PCM A10 gets much, much longer range with increased stability for monitoring purposes, which was disappointing and doesn't make sense given the AV2 is utilizing BLUETOOTH 5 as opposed to BLUETOOTH 4 on the A10. Likely has to do with the AV2 allowing for actual audio monitoring ---- A mode which was solely control/visual level monitoring with drastically increased range would go a long way towards satisfying a few niche field recording use cases. 2) Unable to turn off the screen - I record in dark rooms, with equipment on stages during concerts, right now I have to cover the screen with gaffer's tape. Rather annoying. This should be able to be fixed with a firmware update -- the device actually CAN turn off the screen in "POWER SAVE" move, but you can't utilize phantom power in this mode. So they should be able to patch in an option to turn off the screen AND run phantom power, which my use case calls for. 3) No proper dedicated HOLD function. While it is unlikely, there is still some anxiety around the way that the hold function operates when you're out in the field. The fact that a recording can be stopped with the accidental long hold of one of the front facing buttons is unfortunate for those of us who operate in less than ideal field recording situations. The anxiety around this will go away with enough use, but just had to call it out as a difference amongst the competition. No taping over the hold function for full confidence. I overall love the device. Just wanted to call out some of the pain points. The bluetooth range is the main one that frustrates me. I was really expecting an upgrade compared to the A10 given increased power draw, bluetooth costing extra $$$, and the upgraded protocol.

[@curtisjudd]

I believe there is a hold option on the app, but of course that means you have to use the app to engage and disengage it.

[@kyle2]

@@curtisjudd That is only for the app. So if you tap the stop button on your phone, it doesn't register. Can still hold down STOP on the same button to stop the recording.

[@curtisjudd]

@@kyle2 Ah, got it, thanks!

[@DR_1_1]

I'm looking for a "field" recorder, and I would add 2 issues: 4. poor battery life compared to the F3's - despite 1 more battery 5. no weatherproofing (I bricked my F3 with a few drops of saltwater, so I need something more robust)

[@curtisjudd]

@@DR_1_1 I don't know of any quality audio recorders that can withstand exposure to any substantial amount of salt water.

[@rickymcc8624]

Thanks Curtis, another good review. I'm not convinced that the additional controls, limiter, compressor etc add much for me, but might be useful in some situations, so not a negative (bar complexity and need to learn how to use the interface). I can see this as a great travel recorder and like the way it can interface with Deity TC-1 boxes, also that in-built clock seems frame accurate for circa 8 hrs after a jam-sync. That def makes it superior to Zoom for me and opens the possibility of it being used in-field, without 'dangling' a TC box off it semi-permanently. Looks like a well thought through product that improves one's choices and proves that ultimately end users all benefit from competition which helps improve products over time.

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[@WupperVideo]

Nice review. Stunning, how far these tiny audio recorders already became.

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[@ciekaweurzadzenia]

Jak ten rejestrator sprawdza się po podłączeniu do smartfona przez usb c ? Czy automatycznie przełącza się na pobieranie energii z baterii smartfona czy korzysta w baterii wewnętrznych AA ?

[@curtisjudd]

No, it still powers itself via the AA batteries.

[@ciekaweurzadzenia]

@@curtisjudd To bardzo dobrze, f3 tego nie potrafi i pobiera energię z baterii smartfona z tego co czytałem.

[@creightonholub]

The issue with separate Bluetooth adapters comes down to how the license works - BT devices get a % of the overall sale. So by creating a different retail SKU, the BT license only gets a % of the ~$30 sale.

[@curtisjudd]

Ah, ok, to cut costs and pass the savings on to customers?

[@timeltdme4355]

outdoors F3 battery is surprising and i like it when having it on talent with lavalier mic, but having it rigged with a powerbank or using it as an audio interface, i really like the Tascam option of being able to do a recording meanwhile

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[@chennyye28]

thanks for all your works! maybe I missed the part, did you mention how clean the headphone output is? especially you need to connect it to studio monitors as an audio interface at home. One more question is can the USB-C charger charge the recycle batteries inside the recorder? because 3 batteries is a bit inconvenient to charge on the go, you either need to bring a larger charger, or charge 2 batteries twice.

[@curtisjudd]

The headphone amp was good with my Beyerdynamic DT700 PRO X headphones. The recorder does NOT charge batteries.

[@chennyye28]

@@curtisjudd Thanks for clarifying~

[@sixsixvisuals]

Hoping you can make a recommendation to an audio newbie here…what recorder and mic combo would you recommend for capturing automotive exhaust sounds. Basically it will be mounted to the rear of vehicles to capture exhaust audio for automotive videos. Loud cars like Lamborghinis and performance cars. Budget of $700

[@curtisjudd]

I would ask Watson Wu who does this exact thing.

[@sixsixvisuals]

@ after watching some of your videos I was thinking of ordering the tascam x6 and the audio techinca mic. I will try to reach out to that person as well, but what do you think of that set up? Thank you

[@curtisjudd]

@@sixsixvisualswhich Audio Technica? If the exhaust will be super loud, you’ll want a mic that has a max SPL greater than 130 dB SPL, higher if possible.

[@curtisjudd]

Also, the max input level of the x6 in mic mode is only +2 dBu which is not optimal for very loud recording.

[@sixsixvisuals]

@@curtisjudd the AT875R, I saw you recommended it in one of your videos as an alternative to the MKE600 ( I was just trying to save some cash)

[@garryclarkson7224]

The 'Holy Grail' for my mirrorless filming being able to get desk sound to sync easily for (unavoidable) one man band might have arrived. Thanks again, Chris as usual on the button

[@curtisjudd]

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[@creativegreatsvisuals]

you plan to synch these with mirrorless ? one of these new tascam recorders on each ?

[@garryclarkson7224]

@@creativegreatsvisuals just one mirrorless camera to sync with the desk sound at a concert. Can record desk sound on a USB. Or wireless transmission using Sennheisser AVX

[@soarinfan]

hi Curtis great video....may I seek your advice please....what would you recommend to transfer some some audio cassettes to digital audio please many thanks

[@curtisjudd]

The best tape player with a stereo line output and a decent audio interface.

[@PaulBienvenu1]

Thanks a lot for your review ! I'm completely new to audio, does this setup would work ? - Tascam FR-AV2 sending timecode to my camera (Sony a7siii) - Tentacle track E (without the sync E) with timecode synchronized to the Tascam. Basically, the Tascam would do the role of the Sync E. Thanks !

[@curtisjudd]

Yes, should work by cable (no wireless jamming)

[@PaulBienvenu1]

@curtisjudd thanks a lot !

[@TelevizijaDA]

Im little confused, in the old Tascam X8 review you recomended Zoom F3 over it, now you recomend this new little FR-AV2 which have the same preamps as older X8/X6, does it mean that you made better test and now it seems that Tascam X8/6 is better option than Zoom F3? Asking for the live stereo sound recordings from the sound board of the very loud bands in the 32bit float... Tnx!

[@curtisjudd]

I don't make decisions on recorders based solely on the self-noise of the preamps/converters - that is just one factor among several. And many of these tests are rather clinical and not always applicable to the real world. For example, if you apply a high pass filter, much of the self noise on some devices will disappear. Others argue that humans cannot hear much of that low frequency noise anyway. But then one has to consider that if you DO NOT filter out low frequency noise, the speakers that play back the audio may have to work harder and perhaps even end up with more distortion. So it is never a really easy answer and especially just relying on a single number (like EIN A-Weighted). But overall, as a full package, my very SUBJECTIVE opinion for my work and based on my experience is that I'd choose the TASCAM.

[@EquipmentList]

Thank you 🙏 Curtis. • can wired & bluetooth headphones be used simultaneously? • is the 3.5mm input on Tascam recorded as 32-bit?

[@curtisjudd]

1) didn't think to test this before I sent it back. TASCAM support should be able to confirm. 2) I don't remember, also TASCAM support should be able to confirm.

[@gordannikolic6001]

Dear Curtis, Thanks for your great, lucid work! I have a question for you, can one have multiple devices synchronised, operating simultaneously and how would that work?

[@GaryStockton]

Excellent review Curtis. Would be a nice small footprint on the rig and add the insurance of backup recording in 32-bit. I really like that Bluetooth monitoring feature.

[@curtisjudd]

👍🙏

[@luismoroni-radio7986]

Thanks for your video. You explain it very well. Would you recommend the Tascam FR-AV2 over the Portacapture 8. Which one has better mic preamps?

[@this_time_imperfect]

I upgraded from the DR60Dmk2 to the new Zoom H6e this year, it has been an absolute game changer. Tascam usually makes the better product, but they are always 2 or 3 years behind. Also, the Tascam achilles heel still exists, battery life.

[@curtisjudd]

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[@AANasseh]

Thank you Curtis, very helpful. You said the self noise is better than the Zoom. Do you happen to know how the self noise compares to Sennheiser SKP as a stand alone recorder? (Biggest issue with SKP is lack of monitoring, not even with the App, a shame!)

[@curtisjudd]

I don’t have an SKP here to test, unfortunately.

[@AANasseh]

@@curtisjudd Do you want me to ship mine to you to test and send back (I'll include return label.) I would be happy to do that for you if you want. :)

[@curtisjudd]

@@AANasseh Thanks so much for the offer, I appreciate it, but I've got some other things in the queue to get to next.

[@PaulMDiaz]

Thanks for this video. Own the F3, but i’d choose the Tascam. Wish it had 4 inputs/tracks.

[@curtisjudd]

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[@London_drives]

Great Video Curtsi thank you. Quick question not related to the recorder. Do you know if the new bt-2 adapter would work on Tascam X8 and stream audio? Thank you

[@curtisjudd]

I don't know - probably best to contact TASCAM support to confirm.

[@NetvoTV]

What would you recommend if I want stereo/5.1 sound with rear audio that I can put on top of a camera/camcorder to record the scenes and also my voice behind it?

[@curtisjudd]

5.1 sound is usually something you create in post while mixing, not recording with 6 mics. So you probably just need a boom mic and a rear mic with a 2 input recorder.

[@NetvoTV]

@curtisjudd but that way there won't be stereo anymore because instead of 2 channels for that now you have only one for the environment and one for your voice, 3 channels maybe?

[@shellw1506]

Having a 3.5mm jack on the Tascam for lavalliers mics is really helpful. I never understood why the Zoom F3 didn’t have this feature.

[@Mike-Cr99]

But should we expect the jack output to be as clean as that from the xlr?

[@curtisjudd]

Nice touch

[@raymundo670]

@curtisjudd - Would you suggest the cost increase from the Tascam FR-AV2 to the Sound Devices MixPre-3 II, specifically for interview / dialog / audio book recording is worth it? - Love to hear your thoughts.

[@curtisjudd]

It depends on what problem you’re looking to solve. But in terms of sound quality, your audience would probably be hard pressed to tell the difference.

[@Nur3Ali]

So I’m in the market for my first audio recorder and I’m so torn because of the price. Just seen the zoom F3 drop to $250 vs the Tascam which is $399 😩

[@FilmRunnerMedia]

I already own a Zoom F3 but I'm glad that now there is other option.

[@curtisjudd]

👍

[@EvansKabubu_init]

Very detailed review. About the Bluetooth dongle being sold separately... I tend to think that someone owns the IP for internal Bluetooth transmission from such devices and might be charging an obscene license fee to incorporate the said tech. They therefore implement it this way as a workaround to paying license fees. New sub from Kenya 🇰🇪🇰🇪

[@curtisjudd]

Interesting. 🙏

[@imagenatura]

Can the Tascam output a processed audio signal to the camera (for example with compression and EQ) with little to no latency? Can it record a 32bit feed at the same time WITHOUT the processing? I'm just looking for simple options for uploading video with processed audio, but also use the "fix it in post" option too if I need to.

[@curtisjudd]

I don’t think so, no.

[@MovingtoOhio]

What would you recommend for a beginner who is filming talking head KZbin videos and will be sending their footage to an editor ? Thank you for the review.

[@curtisjudd]

It depends, but one of these two would be good - the Tascam or the ZOOM F3.

[@luismoroni-radio7986]

Does the Tascam FR-AV2 have better preamps than the Portacapture H8? Which one do you recommend for use with a Nikon Z8 camera and multiple microphones indoors and outdoors? And what adapter would I need to mount it on the Z8? Thanks

[@curtisjudd]

Maybe a tiny bit better, subjectively. I’d go with the FR-AV2 but that’s also subjective. I don’t care for recorders with built-in mics.

[@ChadWork1]

Hey Curtis, did you test the Tascam battery life using 2 mics with Phantom power? My use case might be using a nice stereo mic to record music. If one mic gets 4 hrs, then 2 mics getting 2 hrs is pretty short.

[@curtisjudd]

I didn’t, unfortunately. I’d expect less power time but not quite half the time unless you’re using mics that draw a lot of current.

[@Grigoriy1996]

If no other issues (like that ultrasonic tone in Portacapture) it is a perfect device for recording on the go. The next step is finding short pencil mics (like Sennheiser 8040 but preferably cheaper because I wouldn't want to carry those around with me all the time) to build a bracket for the device and make it basically an ultimate handheld/pocket recorder. I've been dreaming about a good (at least Sony D100 level, but here is the potential for more) quality hand held recorder with modern features like inputing metadata/reasonable naming right away via your phone and possibility of monitoring via Bluetooth headphones from my day in university. Because a lot of the coolest sounds happen when you don't expect them but it would be great to capture them with good quality and name them at least sami-decently right after you recorded. The naming is super important because you won't always have the time in the evening to sit down and remane/add metadata to every file you recorded. I graduated from uni with over 200 Gb of recordings I never touched afterwards because they were recorded with Sony D100, I didn't have time to sit down and listen thought them. But I'm pretty confident if I named them at least partly ok they would draw my attention and I'd use them and maybe took time to write proper metadata for them. So, something with which I can pull out it out of my pocket, press record, put ear buds in for not perfect but better than nothing control and then make sure the file isn't something faceless I never find afterwards is becoming a reality

[@SoundOfYourDestiny]

The utter lack of small XLR mics is pretty infuriating. There are no viable small mics to plug into either of these recorders. There is one mic made by Centrance that looks perfect, but you can't use it on these recorders because its XLR pins are oriented in a non-standard way that won't work with any other brand's recorders.

[@Grigoriy1996]

@@SoundOfYourDestiny I actually found one, I guess. It's called SO.103. Basically, there's that company Primo that makes capsules that are used for LOM mics, Sony D100, apparently the same capsules are used for Portacapture X8. They are on the larger side of small diaphragms (14 mm, I reckon) which means they should be decent in terms of self noise + better timber-wise. And so, there are probably tons of small companies who make mics with not only omni but also cardioid capsules from Primo. One of these is Sonorous and their SO.103 is basically a capsule + a Neutrik XLR plug in size. And it is about $100 per mic. Add low profile cables and design a custom foldable bracket for them and you have basically Sony D100 but with detachable mics, probably better preamps and all modern goodies like Bluetooth monitoring (not ideal but better than nothing when on the go) and normal naming/metadata right away via your phone.

[@Grigoriy1996]

@@SoundOfYourDestiny I think I found one actually. SO.103 looks promising plus apparently it is the same capsules that were used in Sony D100 and Portacapture X8. And it is $100 a mic.

[@SoundOfYourDestiny]

@@Grigoriy1996 Hey, thanks for that tip. I hadn't seen those before. But... they don't pivot. A deal-breaker. Take a look at the Centrance PivotMic. That's what we want, but sadly can't use. I even ordered a pair and examined them to see if I could rotate the XLR connector, but no dice. I have a broken PCM-D50 lying around; maybe I can use the mics from that. I have a preamp board and some capsules I've been planning to build little mics out of.

[@Grigoriy1996]

@@SoundOfYourDestiny my idea was that they are small enough to design a foldable bracket and add small profile cables. There is an advantage of foldable brackets that you can make it quickly unfold to ORTF which has a better stereo field than XY and sounds better for ambiences. I think the biggest issue is that no plug manufacturer makes 45 degrees connectors - it is either straight or 90 degrees. However, since SO.103 like LOMs are basically handmade and based on Primo capsules I guess it is possible to find one of those small manufacturers who could make their 3D printed housing for the mic angled on request. But yeah, the lack of a ready plug and play solution is frustrating.

[@hbp_]

I can think of several reasons for the separate bt dongle 1) Japanese market has always liked dongles for features (I guess it makes you feel like you don’t pay for what your don’t need) 2) it’s for collecting stats about the popularity of the feature 3) most importantly I think it’s a regulatory thing in the case of wireless dongles. Now the device itself is not considered as a wireless device and it’s not subject to any regulation and registrations for such devices. This allows to get an approval for just one wireless device and sell it as an addon for multiple. Which may also allow easier modifications to existing models. 4) Finally, as the device doesn’t get registered as a wireless device it won’t show up on those lists of approved wireless devices (FCC, China, etc) before it’s released. This is how we often learn about new cameras, smartphones, and laptops a good few months before their release date. Ps I hate the dongles. Just sell a separate license if it’s about 1/2. This is what Sound Devices is doing.

[@curtisjudd]

All good possibilities, thanks for sharing!

[@sesomediagroup]

This review came in with great timing I’m beginning a journey into digital filmmaking after years of focusing on audio. I’m uncomfortable with the top handle XLR audio approach that Sony offers for its FX3/30 cinema camera lines. I’ve been considering how to mount a Zoom F3 to the FX30, and I really like the Zoom F3: I have bought it twice and recommended it often. But the time code, mobile app control, and slightly *larger form factor seem to make this Tascam a better potential fit for audio for video purposes, especially on that Sony FX3/30 line. Overall, though, the level of innovation we can benefit from to pursue our creative goals is just incredible

[@curtisjudd]

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[@krzysztofkaszewski9442]

Thanks for a great review, as always

[@curtisjudd]

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[@sophieboisvert]

Great review thank !! Comparison of tascam fr-av2 vs Sound Devices MixPre-3 II Portable 32-Bit

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks.

[@bladerunner983]

I must have missed that. Where did you see it?

[@curtisjudd]

@@bladerunner983I haven’t made a video comparing the two but note that the MixPre-3 II is more than twice the price. The MixPre is superior in most ways aside from screen size and wireless monitoring.

[@ChristianSmith]

Thank you for this review! Do you think it’s light enough to plug a shotgun mic directly in and boom it that way? I have been waiting for the Diety DXTX to come out for simplicity of booming and time code, but maybe this would be a better option?

[@curtisjudd]

Probably light enough, yes.

[@przybylskipawel]

Does it any option to dimm the screen to make it less intrusive / more energy efficient?

[@curtisjudd]

Yesp

[@benjocabarro]

Good day Curtis ! Fantastic review! would I need an attenuator cable if I'm going to record backup audio from a DJ's soundboard mixer? Thank you!

[@curtisjudd]

No, just switch the inputs to line level.

[@Drummerodney]

I’m curious if this would be a good application for my situation. I’m a drummer using IEM’s for live gigs. I typically have one xlr (mono signal) from a stage wedge that I put into a belt pack with a 3.5mm jack for the IEM’s. Maybe this could replace the belt pack and I could record the audio from the wedge xlr & still get a good monitor mix? Currently using a 15 year old Olympus LS 10 when I can somewhere in the venues but harsh audio.

[@curtisjudd]

Should work, but I’m betting the biggest factor in audio harshness will be the IEMs.

[@krazywabbit]

Thanks for your review. Does the device record audio over USB? I.e. if you hook up a phone, can it record audio from the phone.

[@curtisjudd]

You can use it as a USB audio interface, yes. Record audio FROM the phone...not that I saw...

[@jarnohamalainen2454]

Thanks for the good review! How is the start up time compared to Zoom F3? That's usually a weakness when recording nature sounds. Usually the situation is over when you're waiting for the recorder to start up.

[@curtisjudd]

About the same as I recall, but I wasn’t specifically watching g for that when I had the unit.

[@TeddyRumble]

I like the Tascam products, so looking at this.

[@curtisjudd]

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[@Designguidetv]

thanks for the review, you touched on all the important points. Tascam it is!

[@curtisjudd]

👍

[@crolodon8024]

Hi Curtis, great review. A small correction for you regarding the enclosure material; it is actually made from fiberglass, not plastic as you stated. This info is from the official Tascam product site.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks for the info!

[@alaneddy4575]

p.s. The Zoom F3 is considerably less expensive so that may be a factor for low to no budget requirements. Almost half the cost here in the UK. Interesting point about the Japanese regulatory process. I'm sure the Vogons have something to do with it.

[@curtisjudd]

Indeed! Zoom competes hard on price.

[@peterpeper4837]

Great review. That Tascam looks very tasty. Only thing i dont like is the price. It wins over the F3 but for the price difference you also need to compare it to the F6. And let's not forget the new Zoom H1 XLR that gives you two channels of 32bit at a real bargain price

[@curtisjudd]

Yes, ZOOM almost always wins on price.