CUTTING BIG CHIPS With The 24" Metal Shaper Steve Summers

[@Abom79]

That was great Steve! That's a perfect job for a shaper, cheap tool bit and you can set it and go work on the lathe while it's shaping. Now what I want to see is some big boy chips, I'm talking 3/4"-1" depth of cuts. I know it'll handle it, maybe back off the feed some.

[@SteveSummers]

Ok, Ok, I see how it is. "Big boy chips" LOL You're correct, she was made to eat , In one of the Cincinnati promo books I seen the HD version of this machine taking 2" deep .0030 per stroke Now that's a cut, the chips looked like those little pop/beer cans :) don't think the heart could handle that though:) Great to see ya Adam, I'll see what I can do. Steve Summers

[@anoirbentanfous]

I am wondering why using a shaper instead of cutting a bit above the required size with some other methods (band saw or something else, I am not a machinist) and then just use flywheel to get into specs? wouldn't this be faster and save energy and also tools (lifetime)?

[@AlBonnema]

I ran shapers and planers for50yr as a tool and die maker I am 84 yrs old still working I set the stroke at 3/4 on the back stroke 1/4 on the end sometime chip would stick on the tool bit holding clapper box up on the start of the next pass. Good to see still being used I have 2 of them love them

[@bigbob1699]

My first job as an apprentice was shopping D-2 HCHC for my boss. The 3/8 tool bits burnt out PDQ. The Forman was German and turned around and gave all of us in the shop 1" tool bits. Loved that man.

[@RepLicanT00100]

That is absolutely mind blowing . Only at 6mm depth ! Wow

[@anoirbentanfous]

watching this is so ASMR! I wish if I have a workshop too, I will put my bed next to the shaper for sure!

[@mog5858]

nice work it's fun to just see what she will do. keep up the good work.

[@SteveSummers]

You need to watch my new video and enter to win the tap wrench I build using this big shaper to broach the hole. There are pictures in the Cincinnati shaper manual of this machine cutting 2" deep .0030tho per stroke. now that's a big cut. Thanks for watchin, hope you enjoyed.

[@kenttowne2611]

Lots of fun to watch that big shaper work. By the way, you have some serious strength to heave that big block of metal around like you did.

[@Jacob-64]

That's impressive ,as is your vice for holding rock steady . Becoming a big fan of your channel Steve .

[@SteveSummers]

Thank you

[@SteveSummers]

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[@ChirpysTinkerings]

Cool videos and fellow shaper user here also. Ive always been taught when sharpening the larger bits, 5/8+, to use the angle grinder to remove the bulk of the material on the bit to get semi close to the profile, then use the grinder to grind it into final shape/profile. It works much much faster, and less headaches. It's amazing the amount of power that a shaper really has, my 7" shaper has snapped 1/2" bits like they were twigs before by accidently crashing them into what I was trying to cut, sent the one flying 15+ feet across the room and embedding the other half of the tool in the wall, it was nuts. The sound alone was enough to make you hit the floor, lol.

[@SteveSummers]

I did use the 4.5" angel grinder 1st, the issue is that the 3/4" bit is a Vasco Supreme , I think it is a t15 tool steel and is crazy hard to grind . It's nice for holding an edge but hell to grind. In the beginning I was looking for a mid size shaper 12" ---- 16" but found this big 24" cheap and could not pass it up. This .25" cut seemed like it was nothing to the 7.5hp motor, I was just afraid I was going snap the bit and send it in to orbit LOL. I love shapers for the home shop and looked for one for over 3 years b4 I found this beast. Thanks for watching and commenting , Hope you enjoyed

[@ChirpysTinkerings]

yea, the old cincinatti and G&E shapers were real beasts, I saw one taking 1/2" off of high carbon steel. The chips just wrang as they slid across the floor, lol. My shaper uses 1/2" bits, but the lathe takes 5/8, so I know how hard it is to grind some of those bits, expecially the M42 bits, lol. One of the first things I had to learn when I started with the shaper and lathe, before I was even allowed to use them was how to sharpen the bits and keep them honed. I looked for a few years for a shaper and a lathe when I first got started in home shop machining, and everyone tried discouraging me from getting a shaper and instead, just get a milling machine, but I stuck with the shaper. Now, it's been over a year since I got them and that shaper has gotten more use than it probably had in it's whole previous life, lol. It now appears in a ton of my youtube videos just machining up all kinds of various castings and making various tools. I still wouldnt trade it for a bridgeport for anything, lol.

[@SteveSummers]

Chirpy's Tinkerings ,I will need check put your videos, I also had people try to talk me out of getting a shaper, I just loved the way they worked and liked the extras they offer over a milling machine, I own a bridgeport clone but use the shaper when I can,I am just having fun in my shop anyway, no need to rush. I also love the cheap tooling for the shaper. I have a thing for big over built cast iron machine tools of the past.😀

[@ChirpysTinkerings]

lol, you would have a blast in my shop then, lathe is an old monarch from 1916, shaper is from 1920s, and drill press is from 1902. Most of my stuff is leather or canvas flat belt driven, and ran from flat belt pulleys that as soon as the new shop is built, will be running from the overhead lineshaft. When I found the stuff, it had just sat in a barn for 30-40 years, and there really wasnt much use before that, so they had very little wear. To say that Im a fan of old iron is an understatement, lol.

[@ThrowingItAway]

That's a big cut! super cool machine.

[@hectorguerrero3596]

That was awesome! Chips flying all over the place. Haha Bigger cuts please!

[@SteveSummers]

Yeah, they ended up all over the shop. It was alot of fun, and I enjoyed it. Thanks for watching Steve Summers

[@tylerhensley2312]

That chip in hour hand really put it into perspective.

[@SteveSummers]

Hey Tyler, Check out my channel, I Cut 3 times deeper than this in my newest video. Just click on my little guy/channel icon and he will take you to all my new videos. if you like them make sure to subscribe and hit the bell in the upper right hand corner so you can be notified when I upload a new video Thanks for watching

[@shaperandi5158]

I was scared the workpiece might slip out. but that is a big strong vice anyway I.m in love with your shaper already

[@SteveSummers]

shaper andi. Did you see the small explosion when I tightened the vise? I was worried myself, If that big block came loose it could easily destroy the shaper. I love the big shaper also, there's something about a shaper that has always interested me, maybe it's. the movement of the ram and the power?

[@SteveSummers]

yeah, could have turned bad real quick, guess I got lucky

[@richardcurtis556]

You may think you don't know much about tool geometry, but you have the right tool for learning. Most machinists learn geometry in their apprenticeship, which you didn't have.

[@SteveSummers]

Richard Curtis yep, you are correct, I learned by reading and watching others, I have had no real training, everything I know about machining has come from doing, reading and watching. Thanks for stopping by. Stevesummers

[@tasdau]

Why would you not have that vise rotated 90°?

[@Jonathanbaker]

Also 45deg tool angle is the best angle to remove large amounts and have a big rad to

[@SteveSummers]

Jonathan baker several things could have made this a better setup, Thanks for watching, if you haven't, make sure to check out my channel, I cut .825 deep in my last video. But this could have also been improved as far as tool angles and setup. I am still a student of the shaper. Make sure to subscribe if you like the content. SteveSummers

[@453421abcdefg12345]

Very relaxing, but your vice needs to be turned 90 deg so you are cutting against the jaw, like this when the workpiece rotates it will cause a hell of a bang up, even with that big vice you are relying on friction only, cutting against the jaw the workpiece cannot move.

[@SteveSummers]

Englishman French The reason I run the fixed jaw parallel to the movement of the ram on the shaper is in case the tool jams or I forget to properly tighten the cutter and it drops below the work the shaper can push the work on the floor and not destroy my shaper. I would much prefer the work to hit the floor than the shaper to jam and break itself. Just my opinion. The shaper has a slip clutch but I would not trust it to the 7.5hp motor.

[@carlschroeder6811]

Not to tell you what to do Steve, but if that cutter jams on that block of steel and lifts it out on the leading edge (which it probably would) and rotates, you will destroy that machine. Your safer bet is to check and recheck your setup, angle your cutter and cut against the jaw.

[@vilsiran]

I agree with Steve. I was taught to cut across the jaw for the he same reason

[@heardashot]

Very much agree, particularly for deep cutting.

[@jameswhite9237]

Steve great video love your shaper

[@victoryfirst2878]

I have to tell you Steve that what you said is just right on. Damaging a machine to show off a cut is just plain stupid. Treat the machine well and it will treat you well too. May I ask the cost of the machine ?? Thanks for your time fella. Peace vf

[@seanriopel3132]

0:55 I love how he brushed his beard off also. Don't want chips getting in the way

[@lookcreations]

Lovely stuff ! lots of fun. Well worth investing in a full face mask - them chips would sure make your beard smoke if one got stuck ! it would smell leg roasting pig for a week ... :-) I suspect that HSS bit would ping well if it broke off. You'll be making a chip catcher next ! All the very best Mat

[@SteveSummers]

lookcreations Thanks Mat, I have the full face shield but it's not bullet proof 😀. I get smokin beard all the time, I have learned to deal with it, smells lovely. The lathe is the worst for throwing chips in the beard, I walk around all the time with chips and various other shop items stuck in the beard😒🔧

[@somebodyelse6673]

Well, where else would you keep your scribes, sharpies, and the odd DTI? It's just handy!

[@daveycrockett64]

When I was a lad my dad told me to wear wellies in the shaper shed because the Ormerod had an oil leak. I was watching the metal swarf sizzle as it hit the oil when one flew down my wellie. Happy days.

[@FiftyNineNinetyFour]

At 7 inch stroke, 21 strokes per minute, .020 width of cut, .250 depth of cut, I count 0.73 inches per minute in MRR. At 7.5 horsepower, you should be able to do 5 in3/min! Crank 'er up and see where it will go :-)

[@frijoli9579]

Love seeing the old machines run. I used to cut 3/4" depth . If the chips are turning color your speeds are too slow!

[@drbrono]

I am no expert, but curious why the vise is mounted the way it is. I would think the jaws should be perpendicular to the shaper stroke. Is it too big to orient in that direction?

[@SteveSummers]

drbrono No, it's not to big. The reason I do this is because it lessens the risk of a crash, if the setup allows me I always run the vise this way. If the tool is left loose or becomes jamed in the work the shaper will push tje work out of the vise instead of breaking something, ask me how I know LOL. This big vise is over 200Lbs easy and has no trouble holding anything you put in it. For me its the safest option. Thanks for stopping by, I am glad you did, if you have any more question let me know. SteveSummers

[@bebo5558]

Ya need a catcher's mit, for those big boys!

[@tsieglieh]

How long does the cutter last for? How often do you have to resharpen? How do you do that?

[@SteveSummers]

Several different factors play in to cutter life. there is no real set time, but they last longer than people would think. You sharpen them on a bench grinder by hand. Thanks for watching Steve Summers

[@williamdodd8660]

Is the machine designed so the motor will stall before something breaks?

[@dougiehogarth6652]

Clutch will slip .. These boys are to robust to be seriously damaged .. tool will brobably break as well..

[@lookcreations]

It always surprises me the random chip ejection - Ive set up chip 'baffles' 12" x 12" on the box end and still managed not to capture all the chips chucked. they ping up , left right and down... burns through my boot sole as well if im wearing the wrong boots.

[@SteveSummers]

lookcreations yeah, kind of strange the way they fly at random. I have a chip catcher, for the sake of the video and to let the others see how they really fly I decided to not use it😉

[@SteveSummers]

.25" is not ll that deep for this machine if your cutter is ground to the proper angles, I called it where I did because I don't want to risk damaging the shaper, it's not like you can go to the hardware store and pick up parts for this machine. If you break it, you eather make the parts or scrap the machine

[@MaturePatriot]

That deep cut would be effective in combat! Those are ABOM79 size chips. What's the surface finish look like. See you down the road.

[@anoirbentanfous]

I hope you got a better fume extractor since then...

[@t.d.mich.7064]

Nice Steve! Not trying to be picky, but it would be safer and less wear on the tool bit if you were to rotate the clapper box to the other side of vertical from where you have it. Just present the bit vertically as you have it. If the clapper box were to rotate, ie: loosened, or crashed into, it would move the tool bit to a more shallow depth, rather than force it deeper. The bit would benefit also because it would have less pressure against it on the return stroke.

[@AdamsAdams-fc1ld]

You need to make a chip catcher like Abom made for his shaper

[@horkinyorkin]

your shaper is a real high end machine. I wish I had one like it.

[@SteveSummers]

It was a disaster when I got it, looks good now still far from perfect. I looked for 3 years b4 I found this one. Thanks for watching, They are out there, sometimes people will give them to you, just keep your eyes open

[@darleneyax5863]

Tool should be on an angle so if it should happen to loosen it will not dig into the work deeper. If it is set on an angle it will harmlessly swing out out the way . I was also taught to cut towards moveable vise jaw to prevent block from lifting out during heavy cut .

[@TheKnacklersWorkshop]

It did make me think that positioning the shaper is important, all the super hot chips flying around...

[@nevetslleksah]

Great video. You might want to rig up a sheet metal guard for chip control.

[@Rolingmetal]

Thats a big block of steel but that vise is huge. Watching this makes me sad I tipped over my little shaper without ever using it.

[@SteveSummers]

Did it damage your shaper?

[@Rolingmetal]

Yep.The shaper basically broke loose from it's stand. And the flywheel actually flew of the motor. It could have been worse. I could have been underneath it. And the concrete floor survived so that's positive. After watching your video I just put up a bid on anther one. Maybe I get lucky :)

[@SteveSummers]

That sucks, Guess it could have been worse.

[@altonwhipkey2411]

Is that machine old enough to smoke

[@tsieglieh]

I want one of those! Harbor freight???

[@nosedive44]

Great video Steve, I loved watching that this go. I bet if you sped up the camera it would like a machine gun of chips lol.

[@SteveSummers]

Yeah, That would be neat, add in a little gun sound effect Thanks Crafty

[@tsieglieh]

As a wood worker I can make shaving under 0.0005 thin. The wood is extremely smooth after a blade that sharp takes a cut. Just sharing. : )

[@cvdo85]

cuting on the pull keep your shop mutch cleaner gr Chris

[@SteveSummers]

Chris van der oest , I could cut on the pull but this clapper box is not set up for it. I would need to make a clapper that has a heavy lock or one that's solid. I would also not want to take heavy cuts pulling, this machine is far more solid cutting on the push. I have seen people like stephan gotswinter cut pulling, he uses a reverse clapper. thanks for watching and thanks for your comment, I would like to set up to cut on the pull.

[@cvdo85]

I cut on the pull but i have a small Abene so heavy cuts are not possible for this light machine.

[@carlquib]

I would love to find a shaper with a universal table like your machine has. I have three shapers that range in size from 7" to 36", wonderful machines for a job shop. How many horsepower is your shaper?

[@SteveSummers]

It has a 7.5 hp motor, Thanks for watching

[@altonwhipkey2411]

Hog cutting, Steve keep it up

[@tsieglieh]

That looks fun! Does the machine lower after every cut? How does that work?

[@SteveSummers]

no, its manual. Some of these machines came with the option of a lowering compound Thanks for stopping by

[@sacriptex5870]

Hey steve all that machinery are for professional use or just your hobby?

[@SteveSummers]

I just use them for hobby, every now and then I make a buck or two doing odd jobs.

[@MakinSumthinFromNuthin]

"Quite Impressive"..... you got that right! Forget the safety glasses, grab some body armor! :) AWESOME

[@SteveSummers]

She'll eat if you feed her :) I did not want to risk breaking anything but I have seen pictures of the HD version of this machine taking a 2" deep cut and .030 per stroke, now that is a deep cut. This was a fun video to make.

[@MakinSumthinFromNuthin]

I bet it was! Glad you didnt bleed out! LOL

[@SteveSummers]

Luckily I was wearing boots :)

[@mahocnc]

Lovely, yes....not by a long shot, cutaway on blocks I use the band saw...more effective and no smoke. I see these machines more effective in internal slots. You might want use a blower to assist in blowing the smoke away...bad for you!

[@cineclubnostalgie]

c'est quand même curieux cette façon d'usiner ? J'ai pratiqué sur cette machine outil et normalement l'étau doit être perpendiculaire au coulisseau et le déplacement de la table à la vue de l'angle de dépouille de l'outil , doit être à l'inverse et commencer l'usinage à droite . ----------------> I t is still curious how to machine? I practiced on this machine tool and normally the vice must be perpendicular to the slide and the displacement of the table to the view of the angle of clearance of the tool, must be the reverse and start the machining at right. ----------------> I

[@terrycannon570]

Steve have you watched Adam's cut at .750. Cut is actually backwards from what your tool is doing. Chip control is also much better.

[@Jonathanbaker]

Just to add that you can do and inch or more in cut but use .005 of fees rate

[@thumphammerskins1529]

Steve, I'm betting that block of steel is A36 or mild steel? Let's try some 4140 or 4340 alloy.

[@SteveSummers]

If I had a big enough piece I would give it a shot, I am not sure what type of steel this was, It was most likely mild steel. Thanks fort watching Thump

[@bobbyvance6622]

You need a chip catcher like Adam Booth.

[@brianevans1946]

Awesome thanks.. Like cutting toe nails...

[@SteveSummers]

Brian Evans Thanks for stopping by, make sure to check out my other 50+ videos

[@squidkid2]

Just increase the depth of cut until the machine blows up then back it off 10 thou. So what does your infrared temp meter show for tool temp. Couple million degrees. That won't affect the temper of the cutting tool. No problem. What's the current draw on your drive motor. A couple thousand amps. Just wait till the lights go out and the electric motor melts. No problem. Just 'cause you're eating the cutting tool and your final surface will taper 10 thou from one side to the other due to cutter wear that shouldn't be a problem. And even if your cutting oil vaporizes at 200 degrees and the work surface is slightly hotter than the surface of the sun that's totally fine. Just 'cause the tool head is putting out more smoke than the encore at a Kiss concert wouldn't concern me. And I doubt that there is any other machine in the shop that would be harmed by swallowing some shrapnel so don't worry about where those chips are going. Besides, your Six Million Dollar man ears will certainly hear if the machine makes any "noises you don't like". Noises like "hey numb nuts I'm about to become a paperweight". I hate to be critical but there are actually people out there who watch these videos and might try some of these stunts and wind up with an eyeball full of molten metal. Get a book on safe machine shop practices and you may find that you're breaking every rule in it. Just sayin'....

[@billoxley5315]

Wait till he dumps one on the deck!That brute will easily peel 500 thou no problem.

[@bene8019]

looks like fun. 16:00 got you a subscriber.

[@SteveSummers]

Thanks bene8019, If you walked in here bare foot you'd bleed out quick

[@Jvavolerpareil]

Hey! You did it before Adam. But you didn't got badlocky with the swivel table like him :-)

[@SteveSummers]

Christian Forget Mine has the universal table that pivots 15° in both directions just like Adams👌

[@Jvavolerpareil]

The one that Adam Have too. I just seen his video of dismantling and cleaning successful operation.

[@Dzon_Jacek]

👍

[@dougiehogarth6652]

When I was an apprentice in the 60s was working a shaper and was sighting down the cut adjusting the depth (STUPID I KNOW) when I big blue chip landed on my bottom lip.. I was howling like a banshee much to the delight of the other toolroom appies(Sadistic bastards ) as it sizzeled welded to my skin.. nobody wore safety goggles then as well.. .A the ignorance of youth .. good days nevertheless.? Dug Hogarth

[@eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154]

I can smell the cutting oil....

[@PizzeyTechnology]

You want to watch those chips don't land in your beard. Had some hot ash land on my head a few years ago and look at my hair now...

[@kunjikorans]

+Steve , in Indian workshops, what you are doing is a crime .. Lol

[@govindvarma9965]

Mohar Singh Varma

[@flatblack39]

I am impressed!

[@SteveSummers]

Thanks, It would do more, I just don't want to push my luck

[@Jonathanbaker]

Just to add that you can do and inch or more in cut but use .005 of fees rate

[@SteveSummers]

This machine only goes down to .0010 per stroke. Newest video I am cutting .825 deep

[@Jonathanbaker]

Steve Summers that you for talking the time to reply, I have watched the vid looks good. Do you do machining for a living .

[@SteveSummers]

I am not a full time machinist, I do make a lot of 1 off parts for scientific test rigs at work and I do machining at home for hobby. I do take jobs at home from time to time but I mostly do it for fun. Thanks for watching Jon, I hope you enjoy the channel. SteveSummers