CUTTING-EDGE TECHNOLOGY! || PHYSICIST watches 3 BODY PROBLEM 1x05 - BLIND REACT-ANALYSIS

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[@KeithDCanada]

Yes, when measured entanglement is broken...but aren't there 'strong' and 'weak' measurements? If you use a strong method of measurement, you derive the information, but degrade the level of entanglement so that it breaks. I'm sure I read, though, that by using weak measurements, you don't get as much information , but you also don't degrade the entanglement to the same level, and the reversibility factor of the pairing is high.... Pretty sure I read an article about there being a 'sweet spot' of measurement that allows the pairing to remain entangled afterwards. Am I crazy?

[@wenerjy]

Just some things to clarify: The San-Ti don't understand human deception. The way I've understood it is that the San-Ti communicate by sharing all of their thoughts with each other (between two individuals or more) in real-time, so there is no room for deception. As for the Sophons, the San-Ti were able to send it to Earth at light-speed since it's a photon, that's why it's already there and why the property of quantum entanglement is important so that the paired Sophon in their homeworld is also updated in real-time.

[@OverlordMake]

Do You have a link to the publication explaining the misconceptions about quantum entanglement ? Very interesting reaction btw!

[@notoriouspc]

@@wenerjy They sent it at NEAR lightspeed because it was a PROTON. Also he explained during the video why quantum entanglement doesn't actually apply in reality in the same way the sophons were depicted in the show.

[@Zero_Requiem]

Reaction when nanofibers slicing people up: that's interesting Reaction when broken ankle: oh God no!

[@asphaltpilgrim]

Legit hahah

[@hanzoyamazaki2551]

sales for halve Pryce 😆

[@Jurgir09]

TBH i prefer nanofiber cut over broken ankle

[@BlackScisir]

I suppose its kind of an instinctual reaction. Were not revolted by being sliced by a net because it's not a natural occurence. While through history breaking a bone was a very natural occurance. An instinctual revulsion caused by the sound of a broken bone.

[@dawid12301d]

@@BlackScisir Exactly, that cutting scene seems too abstract, but seeing another human hurt in a very human way always triggers stuff in our brains.

[@cr1685]

The fibers cut is so clean that even if it’s cut, they can recover the data. That was the logic in the book that wasn’t covered too much in the show

In the Chinese version of the show they are taking dozens of hard drives, some intact, some sliced. And in properly setup data storage there's redundancy and many disks can fail before you start actually losing data.

[@scottwatrous]

@ Yeah I really wish it was all the data centers they were pulling from not just a little red "MyBook".

[@Ahwleung.]

The nanofiber trap has always been a bit of a plot contrivance, as in all versions it would have been trivially easy for the drives to have been crushed, set aflame, or sunk into the sea and been irreparably damaged. The TV show also added (and clumsily resolved) the question of encryption. Granted, it does make for a very visually impactful scene... If I were editing the book, I'd have suggested that the nanofibers could be designed to only cut or interact with living cells, allowing them to leave the boat entirely intact sans human life. Make them from a nano material that only physically interacts with a type of protein that human cell walls were made from. Or have them coated in a deadly neurotoxin but have them lose the ability to actually cut things. It's already magical sci-fi material so it could have done whatever Cixin Liu wanted, but still resolved a few plot holes along the way.

[@danielrodrigues4903]

​​@@Ahwleung. I think you will enjoy Ball Lightning (by Liu Cixin himself). Highly recommended.

[@AUniqueName]

​@@Ahwleung.If the nanofibers only interacted with living cells, then how would they get through the boat to kill anyone? Also, the San Ti allowing us access to the films doesn't seem like a "clumsy solution" to me. It's been well established that the San Ti can interact with our electronics, and that they wanted us to know that information

[@HoundsBane]

I don’t think this is a spoiler, but everything you mentioned about the sophon is explored in the book. The Sant-ti (trisolarans) didn’t just immediately create the correct /perfectly functioning sophons on first try. It took many many many trials & errors. Including the repeating two dimensional line stretched across the horizon.

[@posteador]

Also in the books they never expanded the sophon so visibly on earth, at least because, as storieswithstyle correctly points out, it would make the sohpon vulnerable and humans would be able to shoot at it and possibly destroy it.

[@HoundsBane]

@@posteador Exactly!

[@fazed343]

@@posteador They do in the book actually, in the scene where the Trisolarans are blocking out the Cosmic background radiation they later reveal that was the Sophon unfolding around the earth and cutting out the signals, once the sophons are revealed they do not unfold again

[@fanghur]

@@posteador not if it expanded far enough away. If the humans tried shooting out of it could just shrink again before the missiles got to it.

[@posteador]

@@fazed343 Correct. I should have added “visibly to everyone”.

[@mrsswindon]

my fav bit of detail in the books is that they actually fail a couple of times before they get the unfolding down right. they actually open up a proton which is hinted at having an entire civilisation hiding inside of it. like a big eye appears.

[@storieswithstyle]

Yeah, the ending of the book was brilliantly weird in general. It was pure „fantasy“, but extremely creative :)

[@bouboulroz]

I don't think Clarence necessary had a hunch about the countdown not coming. Mainly he was working under the assumption that the countdown reaching 0 doesn't kill you by itself. So far all the victims either ended things by themselves (like Vera) or were killed by someone whose presence was erased (like with Jack). Clarence probably assumed that he could try to prevent Auggie's death even after the countdown ended.

[@leonardocerqueiradias6168]

Yes! That's why he said "aliens didn't kill Jack". If the aliens could kill from a distance, they wouldn't need the cultists. You are absolutely right. Even if the countdown appeared, she was safe.

[@Flyce_9998]

Indeed, if the aliens could just kill people whenever then everyone would already be dead and there would be no need for a countdown.

[@LMarti13]

this is 100% the case, it's psychological warfare and he knows it

[@TimoRutanen]

They were probably also just fine letting her die as long as they got the nanofibers.

[@CallOfCutie69]

I have read the book, at it leans into the String Theory and extra dimensions heavily. Also this earlier subplot “science is wrong, no experiments on colliders show proper results” also stems from the crisis in string theory and high energy physics at the time. The book was written in the early 2000s. SPOILERS FOR THE BOOK BELOW In the book they tried to unfold a proton and there happened to be a civilization inside, because inner complexity and size of a 10-dimensional proton are immense. They inadvertently destroyed this civilization. That civilization, in the process of dying, tried to burn Trisolaris using unfolded proton as a lens. Also they put a large eye on display in their atmosphere, scaring the San TI (Trisolaris). In the TV series the eye in the sky appeared on Earth instead. As they unfold the proton’s dimensions, it keeps growing in size with every new dimension unfolded. It’s like when we’re talking about that our DNA in every cell is 6 feet in length, or how other things inside our body can be wrapped around the Earths, but they’re folded and quire compact. I would love to see you reacting to the book, reading in chapters. Description from the book of how sophon circuitry worked: “The principles governing micro-scale integrated circuits were completely different from those of conventional circuits, as the base material wasn’t made of atoms, but matter from a single proton. The “p-n junctions” of the circuits were formed by twisting the strong nuclear forces locally on the surface of the proton plane, and the conducting lines were made of mesons that could transmit the nuclear force. Because the surface area for the circuit was extremely large, the circuits were also very large. The circuit lines were as thick as hairs, and an observer close enough could see them with the naked eye.” I commented one of the science misses in the book: Not realistic at all. Even if we forget about dubious dimension unfolding thing. There are fundamental laws that imply lower energy limit of every computation, of every bit stored. A supercomputer would have to weigh more than a proton and radiate a lot of heat, requiring external energy. It’s called Landauer principle. You cannot put a supercomputer inside a proton and expect it to have a mass of a proton, radiate like a proton, interact like a proton Also nothing allows faster than light communication, even quantum entanglement. You cannot send messages with it. It was introduced for convenience of the plot. In real life, every communication would be limited by the same delay Ye Wenje dealt with. I’d probably created a Black Hole lmao In the book Sophons cannot hack every computer or cause complex hallucinations. They can only mess with the colliding particles and create the countdown on retinas, by creating flashes similar to how radiation can expose film. AI inside of Sophons was to mess with the colliders. Entanglement for spying. They’re dual-purpose. Evans talked to the San-Ti through microphone.

[@spamfilter32]

[Edit] Thank you for adding the spoiler tag.

[@Mangolite]

@@spamfilter32The OP stated SPOILER WARNING; any sensible person would ignore it. The OP doesn’t need to do anything other than forewarning. If you are reading beyond the warning, that is on you for not following the directions. Also, if and when season two comes, I will have forgotten a random spoiler on a KZbin channel, and please stop being a cop.

[@spamfilter32]

@@Mangolite they edited the post to add the spoiler tag. But I will edit my post to reflect the edit they made.

[@veritablyfelice]

The "tequila" story is a joke because tequila sounds like "to kill her" in that accent

[@danielrodrigues4903]

LMAO I did not get that until you explained it now 😂😂

[@agentseptember7185]

Lol I've seen it 3 times and I didn't get it till now

[@VinhNPL]

It's not a copout when she said "You wouldn't like it", she doesn't say you will be scared or horrified... The avatar has a purpose, and certainly not to be feared.

[@SamEfDee]

I feel a little obligated do ask for an apology on behalf of Saul for the ridicule he got when he said the universe winking was a deep fake lol.

[@iamo0]

"Lord" is not an AI. All the communication humanity had wasn't with the fleet but with San-Ti who stayed on a planet. Space fleet is just a tiny part of their civilization. Remember, there was a San-Ti pacifist who answered first to Ye's message. It's cool that they're very different and has their own characters (actually it's well shown in a book, there're a lot of scenes from San-Ti planet, where they have talks and discussions and different opinions and in later books even different factions). So Liu Cixin needed some plot armour to enable San-Ti to communicate with Earth instantly thus the entanglement concept. P.S. Sophon woman explained that Sophops arrived to Earth only a few years ago, before that, they've had an old-school communication with humanity. Also, there's a good reason not to communicate old-school way (not to broadcast so much, so to speak), which is described in second book and I hope we'll see that in Season 2.

[@severinwhittle8173]

The DARK forest…

[@ivanboban6200]

This makes me want you to tackle The Expanse next. It's often said that the show's "science" is the best depiction in scifi.

[@arpeggioblue]

Oh HELL yes

[@gosnooky]

It is.

[@gunsmithcat7542]

Expanse is good. However it becomes unbearably woke in the last season or 2.

[@godlyhax4172]

​@@gunsmithcat7542i've never seen it. But im gonna assume you are pissy about 1 gay couple

[@gunsmithcat7542]

No, it's because by that point, virtually all white characters have been killed off and it has become, basically, an entire non-white show. Of course there are still 1 or 2 white characters, but they have basically been written of out of the story entirely, for the most part. And this is, obviously, intentional.

[@LifeCoach44]

So the idea is that even if the drive got sliced, most if not all of the data would be retrievable since the cut would be very thin. They do acknowledge the gamble nature of it in the book, but it was the best way to retrieve the data and not give them time to destroy it.

[@TheAllroth]

Personally I think that should work fine as long as the hard drive was not running when sliced. If it was running the disk would probably shatter in a million pieces.

[@telfer3388]

The thin clean slice part i get. But then they show the ship practically desintegrate on the shore and colapse on itself. thousands of tons of fuel ignite and the whole thing is just a huge bon fire. So the disk could burn, melt, or be crushed by huge steal construction piesces of the ship falling on it. It was below the deck so it was covered with hundreds of tons of steal by the end. There are so many negative outcomes of this strategy that it becomes hard to suspend disbelief that they actually managed to recover the disk. IT would be more logical if they show the general ship structure intact in the end. Like it;s been said in the video. The effect of a nanofiber cut could be that just after the cut the steal could "reweld itself because of the thinnes of the cut, the friction and the mass etc. So everybody on board would die, a lot of things would be damaged inside the decks ,but the ship itself would not fly apart like that. That way i could begin to believe that there is a posiibility that the disk is recoverable. But the way the scene played out, i just have to conclude that the disk survived by being put inside a case made of plot armour. And that never is a good thing for a script to relay on. i read the books couple of year back so i dont rmemeber if the ship collapsed like that in the book. If it did then it;s on Liu Cixin. But if not it means the added that bit for dramatic effect creating a huge plot hole in the process.

[@eno6712]

That many Petabytes a single cut would ruin the whole simulation. Kinda lost it for me in that moment .

[@johnc007]

What if a huge piece of the ship crushed the drive?

[@JasonHise64]

I think the writers may have confused ‘quantum decryption’ with ‘quantum-resistant encryption’. My headcanon is that the characters weren’t actually trying to break the encryption using quantum computers. They were just using the word ‘quantum’ as shorthand for qualifying how quantum-resistant the algorithm was which was used to encode the data.

[@Katzenkaiser4]

can´t wait for this one^^ this story is like a never ending barrage of awesome ideas

[@jackspenser22]

I'm pretty sure in the book the Santi that warned Ye Wenjie not to answer its message gets arrested by the Santi officials because of their thought-broadcasting ability, if I remember correctly. As in it's innate they can't control the thought broadcast. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

[@Dzy20000]

I don't know if it was because of the thought broadcasting or if it was in the logs of the system, it might be that in the interrigation afterwards the listener couldn't lie abour what they did

[@dilwitchspahlin4761]

No it was because thousands of other listeners received the same message, this listener was just the first one to respond

[@zualapips1638]

​@@dilwitchspahlin4761So either way we were doomed...

[@ElMarcoh]

46:44 even with wire EDM the pieces just stick together and you have to use quite a lot of force perpendicular to the cut, and relative little in parallel to separate the parts, so it makes a lot of sense the ship totally fell apart only when it hit the shore, the vibration would just move the parts slowly horizontally considering this is a lot thinner than a regular wire

[@spamfilter32]

Raj's comment about spending the money on drones rather than a billion-dollar destroyer, was all written and filmed before Yemon proved him correct.

[@LifeCoach44]

The entanglement is so that they can monitor despite being far away

[@Cbricklyne]

Yes, and they're wrong because you can't use Quantum entanglement for two-way communication like that.

[@aurorapaisley7453]

​@@CbricklyneActually you can. Read about the article

[@akshayhere]

@@aurorapaisley7453 What article? It doesn't work that way. It is not a magical connection where you can do something to this particle over here and presto change-o! The same thing happens to that particle over there. it cannot be used for faster-than-light communication due to a principle known as the no-communication theorem. The no-communication theorem, proposed by physicists Daniel Gottesman and Isaac Chuang in 1999, states that it is impossible to use quantum entanglement to transmit information faster than the speed of light. This theorem is a consequence of the principles of quantum mechanics, particularly the concept of quantum superposition and the collapse of the wave function upon measurement. Maybe you're the one in need of reading

[@zualapips1638]

​@@akshayhereAren't the San-Ti more advanced. If they can unfold the dimensions accessible only to a proton, I'm pretty sure they know more than we do about quantum mechanics. Usually, I hate when shows fall for tropes and whatnot, but it's very easy to suspend belief when we're dealing with quantum mechanics. We don't know enough, and even if we did, it's not a terrible crime for a show to take a few liberties. I'd have more trouble believing that humanity somehow became united as one and successfully fought off the San-Ti. See that's less complicated and it would take a lot to make that believable.

[@akshayhere]

@@zualapips1638 do us knowing the deeper principles negate what we've already proven to be true. Just because they have the means to unfold a proton means only that. Does us knowing general relativity as a more accurate representation of gravity negate the laws of gravity by Newton? It still holds true. Things build on each other. In any case, it's not that big of a deal. It's just not that hard of a sci fi. Doesn't make it bad.

[@MightyKingYoung]

Lol when you mentioned Ghost Ship I was like, "He's figured it out!"

[@nickkirastoulis4617]

1:11:00 when asked what the san-ti look like, they say "you wouldn't like it" doesn't specifically mean that they look scary. The could look totally insignificant which may cause depression instead of fear. Like "wow this thing that looks so weak and puny can be so much more powerful than us?"

[@danielrodrigues4903]

"Can't you shoot at it? It's unfolded now." Yes, they can. That's a plot hole in the show. In the books it was specifically mentioned that they cannot unfold near the Earth after people know what they are because you can very easily shoot it down. This scene does not happen in the books.

[@joecheng162]

Just some friendly feedback. It would be great if you set a minimum play time of at least 10 secs before pausing to comment. I find pausing after 1 sec of play a bit... frustrating? I feel bad for pointing it out because I do enjoy your reaction/analysis put I think 1 sec play, 30 second pause, 1 sec play, 40 sec pause, kinda hurts the flow.

[@akeelyaqub2538]

40 seconds is generous, bro literally pauses for like 5+ minutes most of the time lol. I agree though the analysis is great but he pauses WAY too much, its almost every line, even throwaway lines and it does make the video hard to watch.

[@Wizznilliam]

Right. I'm interested in his opinion but the pausing is WAY too frequent. At least wait to see if they are in the middle of answering the question that you are asking lol

[@LMarti13]

Auggie did not sign up for that, she created the nanofibers because Clarence asked her to trust him. So her reaction to learning what they intend to use it for makes complete sense.

[@davidgriffiths5643]

That was a really great way to explain quantum entanglement with two pieces of paper, makes perfect sense, wonderful explanation :)

[@halibonga]

I do respect the fact that you're completely unable to accept there is a live alien who's using the sophons to communicate with them due to the fact you absolutely do not accept quantum entanglement as a form of data transfer. But the thing is, for the setting of this story, this is indeed what's been going on, there is no AI.

[@hoos3014]

Well, there is sort of AI; the sophons are "sentient". The quantum entanglement part is used for communication.

[@TheChappaai]

There is a possible (though very unlikely) loophole to overcome the no-signaling theorem in quantum mechanics. If there were a tiny closed time-like curve described by P-CTC model, it can be used to implement a projection operator without the probability of failure, which in turn could enable signaling via entanglement.

[@aurorapaisley7453]

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[@arconreef]

Many of the best parts of the novels wouldn't be possible without faster than light communication. The quantum entanglement thing is very much a necessary plot device for the author to tell the story he wants to tell. Just give it time.

[@2DReanimation]

And it's very much necessary to tell epic sci-fi stories with characters spread across a galaxy or universe, as without faster than light communication, they are limited in their interactions by distance. Well, I guess you can tell epic stories with epic time-jumps I suppose.

[@classictowers668]

Sophons were already messing with science long before "we are afraid of you, what is lies?"

[@KerrMalygos]

yeah, all of sauls weird readings in the beginning of the first episode were false data from the sophon interference

[@maxpis4412]

to be fair they were confused about the concept of communicating a lie, not just messing around with someone

[@yourewrong9028]

Yes. While that’s a good and interesting point, I think that the idea is that there’s a difference between intentionally communicating false information and interfering with someone’s attempts to gain true information.

[@zualapips1638]

​@@yourewrong9028I hated that the show didn't make it clearer that they're not a hive mind and that even though they don't really have a concept for lying, they most definitely withhold information they don't want others to know. Why lie when you can just not say anything, especially if their communication is so open that others around them pick up on it as well.

[@mrsheldon9134]

It's the nuance between directly lying and messing with experiments. They're not manipulating the data to show something, they're just making it as chaotic as possible. They understand chaos, it's hardwired into them by their suns. The problem they have with lying, is that they cannot comprehend being able to lie while communicating. They can hide the truth, but only by refusing to talk. Eg; if a Trisolaran stole something from his neighbor and hid it somewhere, the only way he would be able to keep it a secret is by never speaking to anyone ever again. Because the moment he thinks about it, and speaks, everyone within earshot will know he stole something. Well, I guess he could also give himself amnesia so he doesn't remember stealing anything. Obviously thanks to stuff like radio they are now able to lie, but it's hardwired into their instincts so it's exceedingly difficult. Like teaching humans how to do higher order math.

[@InventiveHarvest]

The fibers were so thin that they could slice the hard drive without destroying data

[@danielrodrigues4903]

"You wouldn't like what we look like." It's *not* about them looking scary, or afraid. Not sure why you thought that. It's just that they're supposed to be alien and disgusting. Think of a spider or a cockroach or a centipede lecturing you about how you're inferior to them. They're not "scary" but they don't look like you and thus you'd be hard pressed to level with them on a personal level than if they looked like you.

[@zualapips1638]

When I learned they can dehydrate, I thought they'd be very small and insects like, and they make themselves look like us so we don't find them amusing or weak, since, to them, we are giants. Obviously I've no idea what they actually look like, but that's how I like to think of them 😅

[@winstonpeanutbutter]

@@zualapips1638dude you obviously read the books, stop pretending lol.

[@Jegekim]

I guess this is the fiction part of sci-fi but the book explains the Sophons in more detail. In case you missed or forgot, they unfolded the protons into 2 dimensions to have a large surface on which to inscribe circuitry. They turned them into sentient AI's with the ability to fold and unfold into lower and higher dimensions at will. The countdown was made by flying back and forth into the retina at high speed to excite the electrons/nerves (I forget the exact explanation) to cause flashes of light. This is similar or perhaps inspired by what astronauts experience on the ISS. The flickering stars were made by unfolding into 2-D to enclose part of the night sky and the stars were made to flicker by adjusting the opacity of the "sheet". The entanglement is simply for real-time communication back to the fleet (even though that's pure fiction). Another thing to mention. In the book Evans is communicating with the San-ti by receiving messages on his retina, similar to the countdown. There's no voice from a speaker. I think it's meant to be taken as he is talking to one of the San-ti, the Sophon is just relaying the message. The "You are bugs" message is also one that appears in the main casts field of vision, not on screens. That was a bit of a misstep in the adaption in my opinion. Hope that adds something for you. I've been enjoying your analytical approach to the show :)

[@PrinceEntrapto]

Raj is the Netflix version of Zhang Beihai who is maybe one of the most consequential and most awesome characters in the book series, I will say no more but if you read the books or wait for the next couple of seasons, you will understand how significant his first conversation with Wade is as well as how much the suspicions other people have of him foreshadows

[@thebananacow6236]

The entanglement is intended as a mechanism for real-time monitoring and communication. Mike Evans in the previous episode was indeed speaking to the real San-ti in real time via the sophons. It was explained this way in the books too. I do think the idea of everything being an AI instead is very interesting! Extremely mild spoiler below The San-ti being able to monitor everything in real-time is a key motivator for one of, if not the most interesting plot points in the books. You’ll see it later this season!

[@Cbricklyne]

Either of the two ways, - whether it was the actualy San-ti or an AI they created that he was communicating with - the notion that either of them would be unfamiliar with the concept of deception and lying is rather silly and incredulous. Especailly for a species that has supposedly undergone Evolution several times. Lying (,....and hte cognitive ability to both lie and perceive lies) are a key aspect of the development and thriving of apex species in the evolution of any natural environments biosphere and it's something most higher species (even in our planet here) do routinitely. Maybe not as elaborately as we do as humans, but they still do. It was a big laughable plot-hole in the story for me that they would be so taken aback by the idea of a species lying as if it wouldn't exist in their own history even if we were to believe they had evolved beyond it.

[@tinrab]

They used quantum entanglement to explain real-time communication. They could leave it as only AI, which would be really cool.

[@spamfilter32]

The reason the ship didn't immediately fall apart is because of friction. as long as all the layers are moving in the same direction at the same velocity, friction will hold the layers together. But once the boat ran ashore, the top layers were moving at a faster velocity than the bottom layers, and so they kept moving while the bottom layers stopped. Like when a car crashes into a wall, the passengers inside the car keep moving forward until they hit the wall too.

[@maxpis4412]

what he was pointing out is that he originally thought that the fiber wasn't actually cutting the metal, it was welding behind the fiber due to the temperatures involved at the point of cutting, so instead anything non-metal would be cut instead, that's what he thought was happening and got confused when the ship became sliced anyway

[@spamfilter32]

@maxpis4412 this was well after the helicopter got chopped up, so he had already stated that he understood the wires were cutting the metal too.

[@toddkes5890]

1:18:31 - energies we cannot imagine could refer to amount of energy, or the refinement of energy. What sort of precision would be needed to emit that energy so it all arrives at the same time to a single proton? So it might not be enough energy to control the suns, but the timing and aim of the emitters would be very difficult to achieve. 1:20:24 - the other fun with folding a computer down back from the planet-wrapper size to proton size is signal time. It takes a long longer for a message to go from one side to the other of a 2D computer than it does for a 10-D computer. The Sophon was probably struggling from lag while it was unfolded. 1:38:25 - not all of the San-Ti are on the ships. The nice part is that thanks to dehydration & rehydration, the San-Ti can store a LOT more people on board their ships than humans can store.

[@maxpis4412]

I understood it as a type of energy we can't imagine, it's a type of energy that is above the physics we are aware of, like how Newton would've been unfamiliar with electric energy and its potential perhaps

[@SauronIkitalvi]

This is very cool episode. It has one of my all time favourite scenes from TV shows and movies. Just amazing scene. So scary and so awesome. Enjoy the episode.👍

[@enokii]

Which scene is your favorite?

[@SauronIkitalvi]

@enokii "You are bugs." By that declaration they started psy-ops towards mankind. Divide et impera.

[@malifex9922]

My guess as to how the Sophon is 'supposed' to work is that, because they are essentially 11 Dimensional particles with full supercomputer circuitry imprinted deeper into the dimensional strata, whenever the San-Ti's version is "observed," it mimics the particle sent to Earth, thus relaying all the different circuitry which equates to data transfer. The only way it works is assuming that the sub-atomic circuitry acts like spin-up/spin-down and can be altered with every observation. What the show doesn't include but the books do go into is the idea of micro-universes. By unfolding a single proton and expanding it up the dimensions, the Trisolarans discover that there are higher-dimensions species capable of existing within such a small space, effectively making a proton equivalent to a solar system or galaxy (or potentially a full observable universe for them), implying that perhaps our observable universe is the higher dimension of some much grander megaverse. Obviously full on sci-fi, but still enjoyable to think about!

[@KerrMalygos]

But his whole point was that the first observation disentagles the protons. so even if you could get information through to the san-ti like that it would be a one time thing. Not a possibility for back and forth communication

[@Rik77]

It’s not a spoiler but I think in the first book (which this based on), the sophon is vulnerable when unfolded and can’t stay unfolded for very long. As you say it’s all psychological warfare, the santi powers with the sophons are limited.

[@napoleonbonaparte3486]

Ye Wenjie views the world through the lens of her trauma during the Cultural Revolution. Her father was murdered during a struggle session, her mother went mad, her friend and mentor committed suicide, she was consigned to a labor/reeducation camp, etc. Why does she believe what she believes? Because of her experience on one hand and possibly a little madness on the other.

[@scottwatrous]

The main thing is, you'd think, spending years and years living beyond those events in a nominally more open society and being able to see the larger perspective of humanity through travel and the internet and so-on, that she'd gain a more nuanced perspective with time and distance. Her initial decisions make a lot of sense. Her ability to stay in that headspace after at most the turn of the millennium seems less and less plausible. They do give her some nuance and so I think her overall arc is good, but, the only defense she has in 'modern' times is steadfast devotion to an old idea.

[@danielrodrigues4903]

​@@scottwatrous Her ability to stay in the headspace is actually completely plausible. It's because she is now justifying her past decisions with faith and belief. She has to believe because of the cognitive dissonance of what her being wrong means. Have you seen the Covid/Moon landing deniers? Flat earthers? Anti vaxxers? People will stay in any headspace that is comfortable to their ideology.

[@sicongli6594]

​@@scottwatrous a lot of traumatized people are like that. They are stuck in the past perpetually

[@scottwatrous]

​@@sicongli6594 well that's a good point too

[@akeelyaqub2538]

​@@scottwatrousnot only that but she already sent the message to the San Ti. Even if she did have her viewpoint challenged later, she cant undo the damage anymore so she probably mentally blocked any opposing views in her mind and had no choice but to double down and at least try to justify her decision.

[@joeldodd6526]

There are a multitude of examples in the sordid history of colonialism where the technological advantage is the only explanation for the absurd disparity in power. Remember technology is not only the gadgets like guns, armour and steel swords, it also includes training, tactics, strategy, administrative systems, logistics etc. Good examples include how the Portuguese dominated in the East based entirely on the mastery of their little ships with cannons. The most stark example I know of almost defies belief, the battle of Cajamarca, where Pizarro's ambush by 168 men utterley defeated Atuahalpa's 7000 strong retinue (armed only with ceremonial axes), and chased away an even larger army camped outside, due to the shock. The Spaniards lost one slave and one other injury. Crucially they only had a handful of cannon and arquebuses, but the ambush, cavalry charge, guns, armour, toledo steel swords and shields, pikes etc all were totally foreign to the Incans. The Spaniards were literally pissing themselves in fear due to how outnumbered they were before the battle, but they were also veterans of pike and shot warfare in Europe which is incredibly brutal and requires extensive drilling, so in the end it was one of the most one sided battles in history. Edit: Regarding the San-Ti "starting over" unfortunately this is a major area where the rushed series falls down compared to the books. They should have spent at least one more episode expanding on the game and using it to show the audience just how bad it is on their world, and just how far they have to start over sometimes, and a bit of how advanced they get. They could have spent a few minutes more on the syzergy scene to depict that better. They kind of wasted the game and made it almost pointless to the plot. Do you feel convinced to betray your race and join a terrorist cult to help aliens conquer your world, on the basis of what you see in the game in this show? No. The only clue we get is the huge numbers on "civilisation number XXXX".

[@hoos3014]

I just watched a documentary on Pizarra's conquest of the Incan Empire last night. So sad 😢

[@tauntedoctopus2697]

“He’s going to get filtered. Oh god” a sentence I never imagined I’d hear only amplified in horrific certainty horrifically from a scientific professional.

[@mrsheldon9134]

The entanglement was so that the aliens 4 light years away could have real time communications with humans on Earth. When Evans was speaking with them, he wasn't talking to the AI, he was talking to actual aliens, relayed through the AI. EDIT: And about the worldwide hacking, yeah, that wasn't in the books. The Sophons aren't supposed to be able to do that. They can unfold to cover the Earth though.

[@storieswithstyle]

I lnow, I was just pointing oit thqt that is not how entanglement works:) the unfolding was really cool :)

[@mrsheldon9134]

@@storieswithstyle I know right? Though they could only do that once because afterwards mankind would be able to hit and destroy them since they're still no harder to destroy than an actual proton, and unfolding makes them a huge target. As for how they're able to move on their own, well, the author kinda handwaved that. The explanation given in the books is that they can "draw energy from the vacuum" and "borrow energy" to be repaid in the far future when the protons decay. Not really sure how that's supposed to work but I see why he wrote it like that.

[@riley8939]

If they are completely identical and entangled, what if the circuits in the higher dimensional folds "light up" in both of them when the one's on Earth detect information? Since they are essentially the same object. And the Sophons on the fleet are able to relay that information without having to be measured? I feel like it hinges on the computer inside the proton, not actually measuring the proton itself. But you're right, it's just a fun concept.

[@storieswithstyle]

But the sophon on earth detecting anything would already destroy the entanglement. =) If you say "they are connected in a higher dimension" that would solve it, so I will just go by that and the sanTi not knowing what we label "entanglement" and just assuming it was the same as their "entanglement" =D

[@riley8939]

@@storieswithstyle thanks for the reply! Love learning more about physics. This might be considered a minor spoiler, I think it's just a hint, but I'll put a bunch of spaces just in case. The San Ti discovering that many higher spacial dimensions are folded up into a tiny space in the third dimension is very important and a hint at something big later in the series. A revelation about the nature of the universe that melted my brain. If you ever have the time, you should read/listen to the books! If you love the concepts so far.

[@storieswithstyle]

Yeah, the extra dimensions part was really cool. =) I hope they will address that more in future seasons. =)

[@aono335]

In the book, they unfold the proton into lower dimensions including a straight line. They also end up destroying a micro universe. It’s very terrifying.

[@iamo0]

You mentioned that you hope to see the future in this show. Good news: books 2 and 3 happens in quite distant future. And not in one period but several. 100-ish years from now, 200-ish and so on. I keep my fingers crossed as in the books those scenes are awesome (for instance futuristic computer virus in the world of Internet of Things) and I hope they won't mess it up.

[@joaovictor536]

The Sophon unfolding over Earth gave such an Independence Day city destroyer vibe when I watched for the first time

[@storieswithstyle]

True, love the size of it as well :)

[@handsome_head_injury6011]

Hmm, I don't quite understand the quantum entanglement explanation. Are you saying once one of the entangled particles is observed that the entanglement is severed? What if it's never observed? That is, since the sophons are self aware aren't they self reporting their information to the San-ti? So, the information is acquired (or exchanged) passively rather than actively through observation, thus preserving the entanglement (maybe?) I have no idea if that makes any sense.

[@sweetbox6498]

woo! that's a good hint. it's the entangled particle observing , not that be observed.

[@mifiwi3438]

I also just assume it's just the AI inside the Sophon doing things on its own, I mean, it's not like there would be any benefit to the Trisolarians back at Alpha Centauri knowing what the Sophons are doing, and the Sophons are fine by themselves.

[@gosnooky]

First book spoilers follow. . . . Dubious scientific assumptions aside, the idea of a computer working in 10 dimensions (ignoring time) is fascinating to me. Our current electron-based computers are reaching their limits. There is a floor to the size we can make P/N transistors without quantum effects rendering computation non-deterministic. I've always struggled to imagine how computing can overcome this limitation, and the way it's described in the book is fascinating in concept. [Begin spoilers] The leveraging of the strong interaction to create circuits with mesons replacing electrons would exponentially increase the potential computing power. I'm not a physicist (I'm a software engineer), but assuming Liu using mesons suggests they could carry information faster than electrons based on mass (not sure now decay fits in), would exponentially increase computing power to the level of exaflops. Clock speed could also effectively be in the exahertz range. Something in the way that massless particles were not used as the information carriers suggests that doing so breaks determinism, but I'm not qualified to guess why.

[@koryeasterday5164]

You should really read the first book. The explanation of the sophons is much more fleshed out. He explains how they borrow energy from the future. They cut a lot for the lay viewers and to make it more visually entertaining.

[@Blynat]

The ships weight was holding it together. Once the fibers were all the way through and it started to hit ground is started to slide apart.

[@miersdelika5016]

"Whatever... whatever" after rambling about whisky made my day 🤣

[@brysn6112]

Thank you for absolutely crushing my fantasies about quantum entanglement

[@maxpis4412]

yeah, it's essentially an over-glorified shoe box, if you get the right shoe from it you know that the other shoe is a left shoe

[@marlouabueva2988]

In the entanglement part, I can suspend my disbelief. First, because it's only sci-fi. Second, San-ti's technology and understanding of physics is obviously superior than us. I get that based on our understanding of quantum entanglement right now, the details is not sound but maybe San-ti have a better understanding of physics than us. Maybe we overlooked something in our current understanding because we are not yet on the level of the San-ti. Lastly because sci-fi doesn't necessarily have to be accurate to us all the time, as long as the established rules are consistent, I am fine with.

[@Fifus92]

I didnt read the book, but I try to explain to myself that "communication" between entangled protons happens in those other folded dimensions, and that somehow makes it scientifically possible (we will know how in 400years probly :D )

[@Matisaro]

My head cannon too, with the speed of light being infinite in the 10th dimension "entanglement" in these books feels more like linking protons through their folded up inside 10th dimension rather than their 3d exterior.

[@Bakemer94]

Nothing better than an academic saying alcohol isn't to get drunk, it's for the taste. Absolutely perfect.

[@storieswithstyle]

Only whiskey, though :D

[@troma760]

Thanks for your entanglement explanation. One thing that has bothered me with this adaptation is that they left out The Shooter and The Farmer hypothesis from the first book. I’d highly recommend googling both those passages, as they give an unsettling perspective on our understanding of the universe and the laws that govern them. It also helps suspend some hard science disbelief. The other thing that bothered me is the show’s take on the function of the Sophons which has created unnecessary plots. In the books they were pretty much limited to minor data manipulation and surveillance.

[@karylllaroco]

I'm not so sure about this bcs I haven't read the book in a long time but I remember that the Trisolarians themselves cannot lie, it's not just the sophon. They don't have the concept of thinking bcs they communicate exactly what they have. Like for example for humans we can "think before/while we speak" but for them they just "speak". Also, in the last episode you talked a lot about the human brain and the psychology. I know you would love Hines when he gets introduced hahaha.

[@quoc28mytube]

The Three Body Problem was written in 2006. Generative AI was not so conceptualised. It relied on the science back then!

[@spamfilter32]

Wills story about his cancer, he was not referring to Raj. Wills conversation with his cancer was an allegory. The cancer represented the San-Ti and Will's body represents the Earth. In Will's story, Will (the humans) negotiate a deal with his cancer (the San-Ti) where the cancer (the San-Ti) gets to live in his pancreas (a part of the earth) while Will gets to keep the rest (humans get to keep the rest of the Earth). This conversation immediately followed Raj's fathers war story for a reason. Raj's fathers' story was also an allegory. In that story, Raj's father represents the San-Ti, and the Pakistani soldiers represent humans. In Raj's fathers' story, the only way for Raj's father and his men (the San-Ti) to survive was for him to kill the Pakistani's (the humans) and to steal their supplies (the Earth). These 2 stories where juxtaposed to show the 2 possibilities. Either the San-Ti kill the humans and take the earth for themselves (Raj's fathers' story) or we negotiate a peace with them where they get to live on a portion of the Earth, while humans get to live on the rest (Will's story). I have not read the books, so none of this is spoiler.

[@Dasypodidae45]

Recently I saw Neil Degrasse Tyson do a Science fiction movie tier list. This could maybe be interesting for your to do as well. I've recently also watched the movie you recommend in one of the previous reactions called Aniara. Thanks for the tip! Very disturbing and intriguing movie. And no, they didn't do the chain in game of thrones. I'm currently reading the books and I'm so happy I first saw the show because I'm getting so much extra details and extra storylines. Now fingers crossed that at least the winds of winter wil get finished and who knows maybe even a dream of spring.

[@storieswithstyle]

Yes, that might be fun :) yeah, hoping for winds of winter, but unlikely to be released I think 😕

[@flyingspinners1]

As someone who knows what happens in book I have an explanation on why they dont just make 2 suns go off course allowing them to stick with 1 sun but spoiler

[@dazzmarshall]

I'm a game developer and we use Quaternions for measuring the rotation in game objects, which sounds similar to the experiment you spoke of. This is to prevent something called 'Gimbal lock' which occurs with euler or 360 numbers. I've often heard a Quaternion referred to as 3.5D, as they say its not truly 4D, but uses similar calculations. As you said, It is a very difficult thing to get your head around when the mind works in 3D

[@TheHiddenNarrative]

It's implied and not quite confirmed that the San-Ti are actually about the size of bugs. If that's true that makes certain things more interesting, like the fact that they can re-hydrate themselves like Tardigrades, or the message they sent: "You are Bugs!" That would also be a kind've horrifying visualization that you spoke of, that wouldn't make them cheaply disgusting, but horrifying on just how fundamentally different something is to you.

[@iamo0]

It’s confirmed in Baoshu book btw.

[@akeelyaqub2538]

Chill with the spoilers

[@echobucket]

In the book it's explained that the San-Ti communicate with each other using light. And that "thinking" is the same as "communicating" to them. So when a San-Ti can see another San-Ti and they think they can see each other's thoughts.

[@Ablestron]

I love the idea of aliens whose bodies exist in other dimensions, and that to look at them as a 3rd dimensional being our brains would either go crazy or completely camouflage our perception to protect us.

[@Jagermaster13]

The quantum-entanglement thing is just a narrative device to allow for faster than light communication. It's an interstellar walky-talky

[@storieswithstyle]

Yes, but it might have been unclear to viewers that entanglement does not work like that :)

[@michael5045]

​@@storieswithstyle That's fine. It's science fiction. In this show's universe, faster than light communication by quantum entanglement works. It *seemed* like you were simply dismissing it as not working, even in the confines of this show, and that it was just the Sophon's AI communicating with the humans, when in fact 2 sophons remain with the San-Ti and are relaying to them everything the other 2 sophons on earth see.

[@storieswithstyle]

@@michael5045 Nah, it is not working in reality, but if the show needs it as a device it is fine. I think that is the problem whenyou use "new technologies" as an author and they turn out to work differently than you thought :D

[@universebliss5209]

I have been desperately looking all over the internet for a quantum physicist’s take on the Sophons!! THANK YOU! This reaction/analysis series has been an incredible listen, it feels like your areas of expertise and personal interests aligns perfectly with the themes! Please do react/analyze more sci-fi content in the future! I would love to listen to you analyze Devs! There’s quantum computing in it, although based on what you’ve said in this series… you might not love the writer’s interpretation of certain aspects, lol.

[@acaciomagno1525]

thx! i really needed an explanation for this episode, i understood nothing the first time i saw it xD

[@Ablestron]

Hmm, maybe the idea is that "unfolding" the extra dimensions of the proton causes it to widen to the point the entangled protons will still overlap (remaining entangled) while covering the distance to earth. Because it's not actually traversing it in a traditional sense. Or maybe unfolding higher dimensions is what allows the protons to exist on either side while remaining entangled

[@Ablestron]

Maybe the idea is that they figured out how to fold space time, but are only capable of doing it to protons which have next to no mass. Once the two protons make it to earth, they fold space time between them to create the "sender/receiver" computer.

[@AITuneFusion]

Ich freue mich jedes Mal wieder Peter Heppner bei dir im Intro zu hören 🙂

[@vincekatarn7956]

This!

[@lynnchance8219]

FYI, the visuals for unfolded sophon is based on Calabi-Yau manifold to show the "unseen" spacial dimensions.

[@Matisaro]

The quantum entanglement I think is just language designed to convey the concept the santi used. There is more fundamental physics in the book series which explains a little bit some of the ways the sophons communicate real time. (all science nonsense of course, but consistent with the universes physics).

[@Matisaro]

Without spoilers the higher the dimension the faster light goes in this universe.

[@spinningredchair8092]

Its worth noting that the Sophons aren't really "pairs" per se. They're the same photon split into two identical parts. They basically found a way to have one photon exist in two places at once, hence the ability for instant communication. In the book it explains that the laws of physics don't apply in higher dimensions, and because the Sophons peer into those dimensions, those laws can SEEM broken in our world, but are in fact not broken at all because they don't exist in the dimension the photon exists in. Its also why the photons appear nonsensical in form, because the way they truly look cannot exist in only 3 dimensions.

[@spamfilter32]

Auggie's invention is a massive advancement in material sciences. those nanofibers would put her name on lists that include Tesla, Edison, and Jobs. Also, if humans defeat the San-Ti, Auggies invention will play a critical role in that. I won't say how though as I assume it will be in the books later. But if you have watched Isaac Arthur's channel, then you know.

[@iamo0]

You’re exactly on spot! Not to defeat Santi tho, but give humanity an advantage. With such a material people can do a lot of things they were unable to do before. In the books it’s cosmic elevators.

[@spamfilter32]

@iamo0 use the spoiler tag. Like this: Spoiler Please use the spoiler tag. But Space Elevator is the correct term in English. And that is exactly what bail was referring to.

[@iamo0]

@@spamfilter32okay, I’ll try to use spoilers. As to space elevators, thanks for correction. I’m Russian in Russia we call space “cosmos” so I automatically use it even in English 😀

[@spamfilter32]

@iamo0 not a problem. Thanks.

[@malifex9922]

It does make me wonder that, if the Sophons work through entanglement, would it technically be possible for humanity to observe one of them from OUR side of the universe and effectively break the communication briefly? This idea only works if they are the only ones observing the particle(s). If we could measure/observe the other paired protons, it would briefly put us on the other side of the lens. While we wouldn't have the instrumentation to actually make sense of anything, it will cause a blip in their relayed knowledge lol.

[@iamo0]

Wow, cool idea! I’m impressed with your direction of thought. Tho I think it wouldn’t work even on tech layer as transmitter and receiver is not the same thing and two sophons were not designed to be identical, they were programmed differently (for instance I wouldn’t add spying abilities to sophons that stayed at home, just in case). Not to mention that you need to know how to control sentient computer and make it obey you.

[@fanghur]

The sophons are something I just couldn’t make myself suspend disbelief about when I read the books. Their mere existence and the ability of the Trisolarans to create something like that just leads to so many plot holes when you think critically about it.

[@adamisajoker]

Doesn't make sense according to YOUR understanding of quantum mechanics. They're millions of years more advanced, their entire concept of how reality works could be entirely different than ours. Maybe they know something we don't, something that our understanding of physics can't comprehend?

[@storieswithstyle]

No. It is like saying 1+1 =3. it is not lack of understanding, that is my point. We know it. Would be like saying „no, we don‘t know why planes fly but they do“. :)

[@akshayhere]

They are only a few centuries ahead by their own admission. Quantum mechanics wouldn't change for anyone no matter how advanced.

[@Matisaro]

Another perspective on the Panama canal. The fossil fuel pollution saved from shortening the trip for tens of thousands of ships would have killed tens of thousands more by now had the canal never been built so even the cost of lives is not solely a profit loss calculation imho.

[@Stynegve]

There is nothing wrong about having sponsors as long as you believe they are actually useful

[@Kefroth1]

I know this is video is a month old, so visibility on this comment is unlikely, but when you were discussing quantum entanglement you mentioned that when one part of the entangle system is measured, that entanglement ends. The question I have then is if these two sophons are highly advanced supercomputers that are entangled (and presumably share processing power due to this arrangement), could the act of measurement be avoided by the entity itself providing information? I suspect that this goes into the territory of intention manipulating physics which is ultimately a pop-culture misinterpretation but this could be subtly different. If, for example, processing functions of the sophon exist on both sides of the entangled state, could this active connection maintain itself or would it destroy itself?

[@storieswithstyle]

The sophon itself/ both if entangled could. Work as one unit in a sense internally. The problem is interaction with the „outside“ in any noteworthy manner. Quantum computers themselves use this principle of being entangled „internally“ to work :)

[@Kefroth1]

@@storieswithstyle Interesting. Thank you for the reply!

[@danielrodrigues4903]

"What price are you willing to pay for survival?" Excellent question. I think you will love book 3/season 3.

[@spamfilter32]

@20:05 the thing that holds the alcohol is called a flask.

[@LateraL1ty]

The santi explaining how the sophon work, despite it being their weapon against humans, might be an extension of how lying or withholding information is not a form of communication to them. If that is the case i might have miss a scene in the series explaining why they need to invade earth specifically despite the universe having more habitable planet than sentient life according to the Fermi's paradox. Also with that statement of you wouldn't like how we really look might mean co existence might be impossible, like perceiving then by light, sound or even smell might overload a human senses that it could even lead to death, hp Lovecraft style.😢

[@iamo0]

Because Earth is the first planet to communicate to them and because it’s the closest one. As to Fermi paradox it’s further explored in books 2 and 3, so hopefully in upcoming seasons as well 😉

[@winstonsgmx]

I drank every time he said awesome and I passed out

[@mamatthews78]

I agree that Augie is a strange character. She's the closest thing the show has to the main character of the book, who isn't much of a character. As for Will and Saul, don't worry. Their relationship to the larger plot will be made clear. Loved your explanation of the entanglement issue.

[@johnc007]

The actress that plays present day Ye Wenjie character, she also played Keiko O’Brien in Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Interesting fact.

[@dylankennedy6020]

I feel like the ship split apart in the end because it ran into the ground, wasn't being steered anymore. So the bottom stops and the upper slices don't get the memo

[@YMa-ml5dx]

Regarding the entanglement idea, I think it is possible that when the novels were written, the new hot idea in popular culture was quantum entanglement, and AI was not a huge thing yet. So the idea was probably that the San-ti still needs to receive information and make decisions themselves, not leaving everything to an AI. But I get that quantum entanglement cannot be used to transmit information in the way described here. The other thing that was a bit under-explained was how the sophons can keep moving at near light speed once they started interacting with things (this is supposedly how they are able to monitor all of humanity at once), I would assume they will just steadily lose speed and have no way to gain any back.

[@VinhNPL]

I'd like to point out that there is information pertaining to the entanglement. Consider that even if it's a single object, the fact that the same information exist in two different spatial point in synchronicity is data in itself, being spin vector or otherwise. We don't know how to structure an information system around the destruction, but who knows ? I think there's a lot of : It's impossible in the current science discourse. How many scientific proved something new when everyone else thought it was impossible in the history of science ? It's good scifi and it helps to have a bit of a dreamer attitude to explore new frontiers.

[@storieswithstyle]

No, we know. That is the point, entanglement is understood - the datapoints you get are per fundamental laws of physics true random noise. :)

[@VinhNPL]

@@storieswithstyle Well, i'm not sure anything apply to the Nth dimension q-entangled AI construct. Let's give it a go

[@storieswithstyle]

@@VinhNPL Entangled objects are already N-dimensional, if I would have writetn it from a 2020 point of view and have it be working, I would have just replaced entanglement with micro wormholes. =)

[@lkxtlks]

Omg, how did you come up with the idea that the main story in the next season/book happens in 200 years later? Did you read a spoiler somewhere or just had a hunch? You're amazing😱

[@scottwatrous]

Does it tho? I mean I read the books and the way that adaptation is going, who knows when they'll move things and how far? There are some future things that will happen of course but when and when, hard to say.

[@akeelyaqub2538]

It doesnt though. Yeah it eventually gets there but it doesnt just jump 200 years ahead, it gets there gradually not in one go.

[@warbird333]

I don't know if this is a spoiler, but supposedly, there is a non-cannon sequel book that shows the San Ti as insects the size of rice. If true that suggests the San Ti were insulted at the comment "pests" and the "you are bugs," message was projection.

[@Matisaro]

PS: I highly recommend the books, they are quick reads and VERY hard sci fi.

[@ghost79ish]

I don't understand everyone's problem with auggie. She seems to represent the moral dilemma that humanity is facing. I mean people are getting upset about how she reacts to things, but can you imagine being in her shoes?

[@hoos3014]

I don't get it either. Well, I do actually. I think it's because the actress is too traditionally "pretty".

[@enadegheeghaghe6369]

I don't think the problem is her getting upset, the issue is that she whines constantly in a very annoying way. She is so consumed by her own existential crises that she cannot zoom out to focus on the larger picture of fighting for the future of the human race which makes her seem selfish

[@iamo0]

@@enadegheeghaghe6369yeah I agree. The problem with her is not that she has moral compass but rather that she’s very childish and prefer not to act but to critique. Jin, Saul and Will share the same values but they do not act this way.

[@maxpis4412]

@@iamo0 and then she has the gall to call Saul a child

[@iamo0]

True! Tbh Saul is a bit childish himself but in a different way. He's way too relaxed, unserious and not committed (yet). But it doesn't mean that Auggie don't have to remove a log from her own eye first.

[@jesseroegames1518]

I have not read the books so I don't know if this is brought up later, but I wonder if it would be an effective strategy to spawn into the VR game holding a tape measure. When Sword Lady does her "You are not invited" thing, try to take quickly measure her.

[@windeltren]

good shit! me and my frens were talking about light being a particle or a wave. and i came to the conclusion its both at the same time, they are in different dimension? so quantum is another dimension? idk man hehe thanks for making this videos. love it when you go deep and explain completely. the complete part is important, so even tho its long, we would have learnt if we stuck thru

[@Blynat]

The pacifist was alone on a small space station during a chaotic era. So he developed his own singular thoughts and didn't have to share them, until he was discovered to have sent this message. Then he was brought back into the group. Then he couldn't keep his thoughts to himself anymore.

[@spamfilter32]

please delete this spoiler. If it is not in the show, don't reveal it for those who intend to still read the books.

[@rank944]

​@@spamfilter32 for real, posting spoilers in the comments is insufferable

[@requiemlul3140]

Please put a spoiler warning, it may be in latter seasons.

[@danielrodrigues4903]

​@@requiemlul3140 It's not gonna be in the show, let's be realistic here. The show is going to omit most of the details from the books. This isn't a spoiler, it's just book context for stuff already seen in the show.

[@spamfilter32]

@danielrodrigues4903 irrelevant because many haven't read the books but intend to. I, for one, know I will be getting the series for Father's Day

[@Moctop]

They needed quantum entanglement for faster than light speed communication, their ships are light years away, the 2 sophons on earth is gathering information and sending it back to the 2 sophons they have with them, and speaking to Evans would go through that channel I suppose, so Evans wasn't just talking to the AI, it was just the middle hand.

[@incorrectformat]

He likes to pause every 10 seconds, talk like he knows everything for 15 mins, only to get corrected a few seconds later

[@akeelyaqub2538]

Yeah happens a lot. I like his analysis but pausing every 2 or 3 seconds to talk for minutes at a time is jarring. He does it with almost every line and 90% of it just doesnt need 5 minutes to be talked about.