Cutting Edge Vs Classic Bike | How Much Faster Is A Modern Superbike?

Every time a new bike is released increased performance seems to be the selling point. But what if you're more motivated to ride a cooler bike than a faster one? Do style and speed even oppose one another when designing a bicycle? Fortunately our friends at Wilier make both an incredibly fast, and an incredibly stylish bike - join Ollie and Si as they check out both of these sweet machines!
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[@gcn]

Which bike did you prefer? The cutting edge or the classic? Let us know in the comments 👇

[@maxpowerthe5]

Classic hands down.

[@chris1275cc]

Never mind the bikes. Where are all these perfectly tarmacked roads so devoid of traffic that you can stop to film in the middle of them?

[@riyanhashemjamy3091]

We want Si on classic TT bike vs 2 guys on modern aero road bikes

[@taufikabidin412]

Classic

[@ViveSemelBeneVivere]

Superleggera classic of course!

[@raineybackues]

Can you make a video of the presenters showing us their personal bike collection? I would love to see that.

[@OLICIT]

Didn’t they already do that? Focusing on individual bikes they own

[@seanoleary771]

@@OLICIT Oh, I'd like to see those. Any idea when, and on which of their channels they did it?

[@serdiezv]

@@OLICIT some years ago, yeah, but some presenters are out and some new presenters have come so an update should be interesting

[@charlificity]

Apparently Ollie owns two Pinarellos (one with discs and the other with rims). I mean, who doesn’t?

[@johnandrews3568]

Sounds like another opportunity to get the legend, Jon Cannings on camera again... lets see his collection and attic.

8:00 that's the most rectangular cow i've ever seen

[@SorinVBogdan]

Good catch

[@here_1_am]

Lol

[@josetobias1579]

You know, she is searching for that perfect aero design...

[@broFH]

Lmao

[@balazshajdu3018]

😆

[@johnshaft5613]

I raced on steel frames during the '80s, and while I agree today's bikes are vastly improved, I think it is as much/more due to improved components that make the difference than frames. Friction shifters, six-speed clusters, flexibles cranks/bottom brackets, etc were the norm back then and they really didn't work very well. IMHO Shimano deserves more credit than any other company for modernizing the racing bike, and their innovation continues to this day.

[@ralphc1405]

are you kidding me??? My Colnago super is still bombproof with my C-record Cobalto calipers and full gruppo. The bottom bracket bearings work flawlessly if periodically you douse them with wd40 or a lube and avoid riding in torrential rain. Regina drivetrain (from Ebay) will still work as well as it did back then--just will weigh a lot heavier.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Drivetrain efficiency is a fraction of the gains that have been made compared to wheels and frames. You're talking a couple watts vs 40w

[@charlcoetzee93]

Modern brakes stop better. You can cold spread steel rear dropouts to fit a 10 speed wheel. Modern mid section wheels allow for slightly larger tyres without ballooning out past the rims, and they are strong and aero. Doing upgrades like this can allow you to enjoy an old steel frame but with some of the progress that the industry has made in the past 60 years. Of course this doesn't detract from the appeal of a purist eroica bike, but we can enjoy the whole spectrum of what was good in cycling in each era

[@analoguegeek]

@@ralphc1405 Theres something to be said for having a cluster that seamlessly goes from 11 to 28+ though... And you dont see much of that on old freewheel clusters... Hell, on my vintage bike Im running a 7400 dura ace corncob that only goes from 12 to 19 teeth... and there's no way you'll find me climbing anything on that... its made for 5% grade as a MAXIMUM.

[@simonmac4291]

I'd love to see this re-run in 2 years time. The "cutting edge" bike will be two years old and missing 2022 season's latest trend, while the retro bike will be even more retro and cooler for it :)

[@SpicyTrifongo]

Faux retro. Real retro bikes have sakae cranks ans suntour groupsets.

[@barco581]

@@The86rick in four years 23 tires come back as "super aero."

[@0xsergy]

@@SpicyTrifongo my suntour derailleur spring exploded on a trail. Its now a shimano replacement.

[@0xsergy]

@@barco581 nah, 23 tires just suck for your joints. 28mm is rough so i cant imagine how rough 120psi 23mm tires are.

[@MB-jz3uu]

@@The86rick so far 2 years after and rim brakes seem to be a thing of the past

[@scottf3456]

I'd go for the filante with retro pricing.

[@noonster55]

Good one...

[@philipk4475]

inflation adjusted?

[@MS-pw8yu]

There's no retro pricing on the Superleggera. Still expensive.

[@sueyyness3642]

@@MS-pw8yu very true.

[@bobrong9645]

@@MS-pw8yu Yeah, that's what I was thinking, thus I'm not sure what the point of that bike is, aside nostalgia. Still, it's much cheaper than the Filante, a comparison with the similarly priced Cento would also have been interesting.

[@kalilebron007]

Gotta admit the new Wilier bikes are bloody amazing. But those vintage Wilier ones are pure class.

[@roberthoyle6371]

I have to go with the Steel. The paint job with the chrome lugs and stays are so beautiful! As someone who has ridden steel, carbon and aluminum, the road feel and control of steel sets it apart from the rest.

[@kalebwhittingstall441]

I've got an early 80s Olmo with modern 105 equipment, I'll never love another bike more

[@jeskli11]

The Superleggera is undoubtedly way cooler. Especially when it's freezing cold.

[@goldenwafflez7715]

The superleggera is the cooler bike - and when a rider has that bike and drops all the riders on their plastic bikes he or she is doubly cool. #FACT

[@michaelmcgrath7465]

I have several classic steel bikes and a handful of plastics. When it comes to descending the big cols the steel bikes rule. Must admit I'd love a classic steel frame with disc brakes1

[@wcasteve1]

I won a [ small field of old fart riders admittedly ] tt this year on a steel bike... it was amusing...

[@TheGotoGeek]

@@michaelmcgrath7465 Funny, I just finished building up a Reynolds 853 frame with disc brakes and thru axles. Rides like a dream.

[@appa609]

Sure and you can say you're even cooler if you're riding some walmart brick and manage to drop Chris Froome. But that's about the rider not the bike. The better bike is cooler.

[@GabrieLight]

But again it's overpriced.

[@Stoney3K]

That Superleggera actually looks like the perfect touring bike. Classic geometry and steel frame means a relaxed ride for miles.

[@charliecroker7005]

18 seconds over 5 miles- 36 seconds over 10 miles = about 2% advantage. I bet most of that is down to the wheels- 40mm deep rims (or whatever they are on the red one) fitted to the steel bike would reduce the difference significantly, IMO. It would have been interesting to swap the wheels, and do the test again.

[@qzrnuiqntp]

This kind of vids are made for us to desire new bikes, despite the fact that if you're not racing a good old one with modern wheels is just perfect and very much cheaper.

[@james241ish]

Exactly.

[@tassko]

Agree, if the steel bike had aero wheels it would be much closer.

[@bratSebastian]

@@tassko And way uglier!

[@Hansmeiser2008]

Also: Steel bike with Vittoria Rubino Pro vs Carbon bike with Vittoria Corsa tires... who will gonna win? :D

[@michaellamp3776]

When your kit is worth more than the market value of your bicycle then you’re on a classic

[@splashpit]

That superlegger in that condition would set you back €1600.00

[@jojoUK120]

I don't think my 1991 bike even has a market value- nobody's ever considered nicking it🤣

[@Laktsu]

There is something about my classic bike i love, it's the style and speed that years cannot take away from it, steel is real, classy and beautiful

[@rxonmymind8362]

It has soul and body. Not everything on paper turns out to be true and newer isn't always better. I have a vintage receiver that I will take all day long before a modern receiver.

[@carlholland3819]

@@rxonmymind8362 new isnt about being better, its about being more expensive and showing off your money

[@shawnh08]

In these new vs classic bikes I wish they would make a test running the same tires/wheels, it would be interesting to see the difference in performance between a classic frame and a new carbon frame without the wheels skewing the results.

[@al-du6lb]

I wonder if the reason they don't do that is because their sponsors wouldn't like it.. I would also like to see it done with the same rider.

[@Hansmeiser2008]

What GCN does: Steel bike (+ ~1kg) with Vittoria Rubino Pro vs Carbon bike + deep carbon rims with Vittoria Corsa tires... who will gonna win? :D Btw: 16...28 seconds over 10-15 min 4km climb/8km TT is not really much (2-4%). With the same tires and rims, it would be even closer.

[@MB-jz3uu]

@@al-du6lb carbon is still definitely faster

[@kanon0n]

frame: retro every other parts: modern

[@SwedishHouseFifa]

15:17 I thought Ollie was about to say let’s test the coolness of the bike by seeing which one got stolen first lol

[@johnfarmer2264]

HA HA HA HA!!!!

[@sueyyness3642]

Yeah I was thinking we was about to say that. Haha, he is funny enough to do so!

[@HiopX]

i mean ... that's just wrong. That's just measures the perceived value of the bike

[@rah4981]

Beautiful, piece of art that classic bike.

[@banjomechanic]

The finish job on the Superlegerra is out of this world. Absolutely beautiful!

[@yashar9844]

I am stunned by the patience of the car drivers in these videos. I ride in California (south) and almost always use bike lane, but still once in a while there are cars which try to push me out of road. It happened almost once every 2 weeks, once, even one van driver tried to totally run me and then my friend who was 100 feet ahead of me and both were using bike lane.

[@b145701s]

So whenever I'm going out for a ride I always take my classic bike (with modern components) because it just makes me so happy to look at and I feel cool af

[@gcn]

That's what it's all about!

[@brianbuday8639]

I agree but the old quill stems are hard on the wrists after a while. Yes I am old but my 84 pinarello with campy chorus upgrades is a fun class ride. Cheers you two and stay safe🚴🏼🇨🇦👍😎

[@achn2b]

@@brianbuday8639 Why? too much saddle to bar drop? Try one of Nitto's Technomic Deluxe stems. Those, and a modern short-reach compact handlebar work really well together.

[@theworkethic]

@@gcn It’s actually about riding, not attaching yourself to coolness. Who are you looking cool for and why?

[@carlholland3819]

@@theworkethic bike fairies look cool for each other. thats why they wear spandex

[@manji001]

A bike with built in loads of in-built excuses?!?! COUNT ME IN!!

[@HiopX]

But are those vegan excuses? ;)

[@lukehaddix4710]

Fantastic video. I love both bikes. I enjoyed this video so much it kept me on the indoor trainer over 50 minutes. Thanks for keeping me in shape!

[@alexss3]

I actually walked by a shop two years ago and saw the Superleggera in the window and was absolutely blown away by it (and the price tag). Now here I am watching GCN actually ride one! I was expecting to see what their top speeds were, not times.

[@Jeff-bd4gg]

My favorite part of the video is the loud laugh that can be heard when Si is posing with his bike. 😂

[@TomboLP]

I have been riding a Colnago Superissimo from 1988 for the longest time, with vintage Campagnolo Super Record and all the rest. Recently, I got a Cannondale Synapse with a carbon frame, the latest Ultegra components and disc brakes. Honestly, it's vintage Aston Martin vs. modern Volvo. The Colnago is cool, fun and feels fast. The Cannondale is comfortable, convenient and actually quicker on every single ride (about 5 minutes per 50km) - but FEELS slower. On the Colnago, with its downtube shifters, I change gears only when I have to. On the Cannondale, I do it without thinking and preserve my cadence. When I ride the Colnago, I feel like I'm 22 again and constantly fantasize about passing Sean Kelly in the mountains. When I ride the Cannondale, I feel every one of my 51 years and think "What business does an old idiot like me have wearing lycra pants?" I think what I really need is a modern superbike. That way, I will probably still feel middle-aged, but it'll be the type of middle age where I've bought a ridiculous sports car, gotten hair plugs and am shagging my hot secretary. Hmmm...when are those new Canyons going to be back in stock?

[@FlatSpinMan]

I feel the same about my aluminium Giant TCR and carbon Bianchi. Admittedly the Bianchi is an endurance frame, but the TCR is just a maniac to ride - it’s like a fighter plane or something. Both are new bikes 2014 and 2018 respectively, unlike yours. Like you, my fastest times (not actually good or anything) are generally on the Bianchi, but my TCR just feels so much faster.

[@usoda6974]

Tombo Les Paul..

[@TomboLP]

@@usoda6974 That's me!

[@ralphc1405]

Lol I’ve got an early 80s Colnago Super in Saronni red decked out in mid 80s Campy C-Record dt friction shifters WITH 36h straight guage spokes and I’m still able to hang on a bit with the local riders with plastic bikes with disk brakes. Of course the smallest cog on my Regina cluster is a 13. And at 46 I debate whether dropping $100 on one with a 12 is worth it!

[@leonarddaneman810]

At 50 I was leaving those 20-somethings in my dust . . . don't sell yourself short kid. Now that I am turning 67 next month, and haven't ridden for 15 years (I was paralyzed for two years, unrelated to biking) I am dusting myself off and training to get back 'on the bike' . . .

[@idaf5244]

Everything else aside, that copper colourway is seriously beautiful so I'm with Ollie.

[@MrElapid]

Loved that steel bike...Just beautiful! Curious about one thing however. As I look at the frontal profiles of these bikes. (as compared to the bodies of the riders pushing through the air) I have to wonder how much "aero" is just marketing hype for the recreational/touring rider.

[@deevnn]

It is just marketing hype for the average competitive rider...

[@chasemanley848]

Unless you're actually racing, where a few seconds matter - it's all marketing hype.

[@desertrainfrog1691]

Very marginal differences between the two. Things have changed on bikes, but they still look very similar and perform the same tasks. There's only so many ways to reinvent the wheel. Biggest difference is probably weight and brake integrated shifters.

[@g.west2372]

between these two bikes... for recreational rider... depends on if you want to ride fast for the same power... aerodynamics is not "just" hype... I visited my grandparents by bike, which was a 180km ride... to survive this I used aerobars to save as much power as possible... Do you NEED it? No. Do you need to buy a new bike cause it's more aero? Meh. But if speed(=fun?) is worth your money and you want to buy a new bike regardless, you should go with an aero bike... "Fast bikes are fun!"(Si-borg)

[@chasemanley848]

@@g.west2372 your aerobars are what made your rider/bike combo aerodynamic. They significantly affect your body position, which has a MUCH larger affect on aero than the bike. No matter how aero they claim the frame is. Position matters a massive deal. The frame you're on matters very, very little by comparison, given the same tires & wheel size. Aerodynamics is certainly NOT just hype. Aero frames/wheels are mostly hype - insofar as they make wayyyyyy less difference to your speed than your clothing and position do.

[@peerpaschedag404]

Ollie: Life isnt alway a competion Also Ollie: my Bike looks the best

[@oliverbridgewood3929]

*except when it’s one i can win

[@GarenEvans]

Classic is obviously the coolest.

[@gr8dvd]

Agree b/c it sez I take care of my gear and will keep-up or, if necessary, blow past those who need every advantage to keep pace.

[@razvanyke]

Guys .. the production quality of the video is out of the roof, cheers to you and all the production team

[@garybrown9857]

One of the many things I love about cycling is the "feel" of it...pushing up hills followed by the joy of coasting down the other side; the pleasure of the response of the bike under me to road conditions; the air rushing around me as I cruise along. I also appreciate the exercise of riding. Throwing down thousands of dollars on a bike which takes a lot of the above away just doesn't interest me. And I'm also not interested in spending thousands more to shave a few SECONDS off a long ride...I'll just pedal a little harder. Try being a better cyclist instead of buying your way into it with hopes of technology doing it for you.

[@garettcline1365]

The retro tubing with copper cladding is gorgeous!

[@kulasoy7676]

I’d pick the classic one over the super bike anyday.

[@jojoadeyemi8239]

Me too. Its the only bike I would have a chance of repairing myself. And affording the repair....

[@kulasoy7676]

Classic bike always have this cool factor, superbikes looks disgusting nowadays tbh, do not care about full carbon components the bike looks like a robot🤮🤢

[@bassenji5565]

@@jojoadeyemi8239 Plus it will last much longer!

[@khaledzaidan]

agreed! the classic bike is timeless... it'll always be a classic... the superbike will be outdated in a few years and no longer as cool or super

[@supernoodles908]

@@khaledzaidan they're only timeless because they've had the time to become so. Carbon will be the same in the future imo

[@leporello7]

Well, as you mentioned reliability: From my experience there is nothing more reliable than a well maintained early 90s Shimano 600 or Dura Ace groupset, especially when using downtube shifters. Even 105 or RX100 material (excellent brakes!) from those years ist still really great quality for training purposes.

[@Fred_the_1996]

I have found that nothing beats an early to mid 80s full simplex groupset, it's just made out of stone

[@Lacccikapitany]

Thanks! Now I understand why my previous Bianchi (steel frame) had D-A groupset with RX100 brakes :)

[@chriswright9096]

Spot on. I got a bit miffed at the beginning of the video when the presenters suggested a vintage bike would be unreliable. They are typically rock solid, and if something does go wrong its typically way easier to fix than a modern high-end carbon bike (with its internal cable routing, disc brakes, proprietory stem and seatpost).

[@coaldust01]

Love this channel, loads of bike knowledge and strapping lads in lycra, tremendous.

[@stevecooper7038]

You missed out the question of which bike is more likely to be still rideable after a stack up...

[@Stoney3K]

Carbon: Crap, I crashed, now I have to walk and carry 2 pieces. Steel: Ah, that'll buff right out.

[@appa609]

@@Stoney3K Not these super light steel frames. They're right up against structural buckling constraints.

[@rxonmymind8362]

I had a Univega steel bike that I crashed at 40 mph. I threw some new wheels on there and it was good to go. I'm betting money carbon fiber bike would have cracked somewhere guaranteed.

[@gregmuon]

@@appa609 Nah. I raced a columbus SL (US) Masi in the early 80s. Stacked it up more times than I can count. No damage. Killed some wheels, that's it.

[@liamwills9309]

Love the casual, laid back and less scripted videos 👍🏻

[@kunal9920]

The amount of effort put into creating this video made me want to comment just so that I can do my best as a single person for this particular video

[@veloman59]

Now that's a proper retro build! Proper forks, quill stem! All steel! Yes!..Perfect!

[@andreasantorum77]

The problem is that now I badly want that Superleggera Ramato!! Such a beauty! Thanks guys for the awesome vid!!

[@carlholland3819]

time to sell a kidney

[@davidland8217]

Ollie totally nailed how I feel whenever Simon Richardson sets up yet another ‘race’ for himself, that remarkably he wins.

[@malcolmemsley7176]

I don't think they really tried on the steel bike it was as if they wanted to discredit it. Not everything is about racing though the carbon jobs would be awful on long distance Audax 400 /600 km rides.

[@eupsychon]

Awesome video. Both are beautiful bikes! I love the explosive ride of my carbon racing bike for a weekend outing, but still prefer the vintage steel steed for daily use. I think titanium frames offer a sweet spot between the two.

[@HenryAshman]

Give me the Filante in the Superleggera's paint scheme. I've seen the Wilier Cento10 in that colour scheme and it looks insanely nice.

[@matthiaskettner6686]

Have you seen the Filante in that Silver paintjob with stickers turning from green to violet depending on the light? Dude... incredibly good looking.

[@kubagajda7347]

That colour is called Ramato. Ever since I've seen it, it has became the only acceptable paint scheme fot Wilier bikes to me.

[@johnandrews3568]

@@kubagajda7347 Ramato is available on the Cento Air One I believe, and a chrome blue as well.

[@bendunbar8334]

This is literally the comparison video I've been waiting for

[@tomjackson5815]

In competitive racing you have to have to have the best equipment but for me the look and the love of riding a classic bike is what got me into racing in the first place .I raced for ten seasons and was and was a bike mechanic for 32 years for me the beauty of pushing yourself to the limit gave me such great memories no matter what bike I was on . I also made a living on the bass guitar and have really nice instruments but the first one I grab to play is an old school fender p bass for the same reasons I love the classic steel bike so just ride what you like and listen to great music, peace

[@joejackson6453]

New Super Fan, best video sofar. You guys are fun, plain daft. 👏👏👏

[@dragonsoul07]

thanks GCN for your tips video , today i completed first 100 km solo ride since 2 month started cycling.... :D

[@kevcroft2815]

The Superleggera is achingly beautiful. Never realised that i needed one until this video.

[@sebastiansoberon9273]

Classic all the way, Price and tech have nothing to do with beauty! (my own point of view, i don't want to offend anyone)

[@Bruceillest101]

If I'm just going around town or on a casual ride with friends I would take the Steel bike all day. There is just something about how steel absorbs the vibrations on the road that makes it a comfortable ride.

[@velodjk2975]

Best observation from Ollie: "Our sprinting is almost as bad as our arm wrestling."

[@montufaraj7066]

is there such a video?

[@jheal1977]

I love my steel Motorola Merckx and my carbon bikes. Cycling really is engine sport and no matter how good my bike is I will never win the Tour de France. Best to have both 😍

[@ralphc1405]

Lol we thought it was cool the team was sponsored by Shimano and not Campy!

[@Shadowboost]

Both those bikes are beautiful and I'd love to have them in my collection. Not to say that they would be my main steed, but definitely gorgeous and probably ride great

[@rickmancini772]

The steel frame with a carbon fork, ahead stem, carbon seat post, and carbon aero wheels

[@enzo_borja]

At 13:07, its pretty simple if you think of conservation of energy. More energy goes into bike deformation, less energy converts to kinetic energy for speed.

[@Leonardogfa]

That superleggera is absolutely beautiful. The groupset feels a little bit out of place but still, daaaang

[@andrewbrown5418]

Just watched this - very interesting. Re efficiency - key to remember that energy and effort are both expended flexing a more flexible frame rather than efficiently propelling it forward. Great video. Thanks

[@garymiller1216]

great vid, especially the end, I would liked to see a comparison with the simple small ass guards that people use, as apposed to a full set up of mud guards

[@danielgolite]

The Orange color and polished components are cool! One topic not brought up is durability. The steel bike will be on the road for decades to come. Not sure about the carbon bike. Aren't carbon bikes compromised when damaged? Thanks for the video.

[@deevnn]

The carbon bike will be a memory in ten years, if that.

[@sherlock_backs]

Carbon fiber components degrade if im not wrong

[@desertrainfrog1691]

The steel bike will probably outlive all of us watching with relatively moderate care. (maintenance+ protect frame from rust a bit)

[@arronbatchvarov5035]

@@sherlock_backs everything degrades...

[@carlholland3819]

yep, one crash and you gotta throw away your $5k bike

[@teunluijbregts2533]

Just my opinion, but I will take the classic over the plastic anytime. Mind you: with a nice set of aero wheels ;-)

[@bleckb]

I'd also drop the quill stem and go with a "modern" stem and bar.

[@PaulLangmead]

@@bleckb as much as I love how elegant quill stems are, I'd have to agree - they are a PITA.

[@neil_down_south]

The deeper wheels could be accounting for most of the speed advantage of the modern bike. I went for steel frame but with carbon fork and deep section wheels. Once I've cleaned my chain I'll send it into bike vault.

[@villamjoe87]

That Superleggera is a piece of art! Not even a question which is cooler, classic by miles!

[@yoramaviram1]

The classic is wow, the modern one - just fast

[@leightondavies8884]

I honestly think that Superleggera is the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen on two wheels ( and that includes Sandra Bullock ) 😍

[@johnandrews3568]

You haven't seen my Pegoretti built Pinarello then.

[@ChristianCastleman]

Not as pretty as my vintage Casati.

[@ronwhite8503]

Bullock before she went plastic?

[@GrotrianSeiler]

What a great video! What a great topic!

[@martindirkzimmer]

Your style of quipping infomercialtainment makes for phenomenal videos!

[@woozertoo]

Well, you’ve convinced me GCN: my next bike will be a steel, Columbus-tubed, non-compact frame. That paint job is awesome. Not even paying any attention to whatever newfangled bike Si’s on.

[@ronbell7920]

Tell'em woozer!

[@geraldverniers8577]

Both bikes are gorgeous but the steel one have a spirit within, a handmade touch and a pièce of hisrory that are priceless. It really dépends of your bike philosophy, not a question of performances.

[@mikestunt77]

Superleggera is the best 2nd bike, it makes sense only if you own also a hyper bike like the filante , f12 or so

[@MrBJPitt]

Carbon bikes actually have far more hand made work in them. And that steel bike, is not a piece of history, it's a replica, and replicas are not cool.

[@razaninaufal]

carbon fiber bikes are actually more "handmade" than steel, they literally sew fibers of carbon into the bike that you use. gcn actually has a look factory video, they show how they made a carbon bike.

[@geraldverniers8577]

@@razaninaufal it's true, I forgot that, sorry.

[@geraldverniers8577]

@@MrBJPitt that's true. I ride a early 1980's Bob Jackson with downtube shifters and every time it gives me a large smile.

[@chrisharper2658]

I'm commenting on this older posting a second time. I think the bigger difference between the two bikes has to do with the front geometry and handlebar stem position. When you stand up and sprint on the new bike, your center of gravity stays fairly constant but the bike zig-zags all over the place. The older bike tends to track straighter during a sprint. I think the zig-zag that the wheels track might give you slight advantage while climbing steep hills. I never noticed all this zig-zagging until I was watch the Tour De France this year and it seemed darn near impossible to pass someone sprinting as they were always zig-zagging all over the place. Seems like a good way to stave off challengers when you can occupy three lanes at once. Ops, oh well, so sorry.

[@fivestars4681]

love this channel and those guys

[@petinka721]

Wilier make crazy nice bikes! On a Sunday endurance cafe ride I take the classic bike since the paint is so cool. :)

[@awh271064]

One of the things I miss is the sound the steel frame makes when you tide one. It almost sings especially on the roads in Europe. This is something I've never heard riding a carbon roadster. I ride a Cube and whilst a great ride and excellent value for money, I do miss the sound of the old steel frames when riding on a quiet Sunday morning mile builder...

[@jackfrost838]

Oh Olie , I was riding an OLD racing bike before you were thought of and it wasn't weak or falling to bits. It was made incredibly strong and it was reasonably light ( TI Raleigh Renolds tubing ) The old artisan frames were very reliable and very strong , respect them.

[@1crazypj]

And an old steel bike is probably still rideable if it hasn't been left out in the weather and rusted away. Carbon fibre will probably have a much shorter service life and has very poor scuff resistance if you happen to lean it against something rough (based on the little I know about it and seeing a 'test' of a carbon bike against a lamp post, slid down and damaged top tube-expensive repair)

[@keeganwebber]

another important and perhaps underappreciated aspect of an older steel framed bike is that the whole thing is brazed together rather than welded or glued.. you can replace a damaged tube with comparatively little effort or cost outlay vs carbon fibre. you'll still be ruining the paint and it's obviously major surgery, but it can be achieved with very basic equipment (and no ultrasound, haha)

[@nickh3533]

Great video as ever from my favourite 2 GCN presenters

[@EuropesWorstGamer]

Couple of top presenters equals a quality, entertaining video. Love the content...including the bleeps?!! 😁 I’m afraid I preferred the new tech, nostalgia is great but the easier the better at my age! 🥵

[@JayLato]

I could see a cameo by captain slow explaining the old bits of that bike.

[@Stoney3K]

Cameo? Have him do a feature episode of "The Disassembler" by taking it apart and putting it back together again.

[@FreshdriveGeoff]

Classic! Especially in Ramato!

[@jamievidd775]

Loved this. Well done.

[@stuartmclean4952]

Never compromise style for speed!

[@nyktrip3445]

I personally love the classic look from the older bikes. When I take my Sekine road bike out it just feels great and fun

[@kalebwhittingstall441]

Love those old sekine's

[@nyktrip3445]

@@kalebwhittingstall441 yeah they are works of art

[@schore69]

that steelframe has me drooling! the wheels give it a nice modern touch! hmmmmm nice

[@TheOBOM]

My steel Benotto from late 70's/early 80's has one of the first Ultegra group sets with index shifting, but commandeurs are still on the lower tube. Wheels are Campagnolo and as old as the bike itself. Cinelli bars and posts, only upgrade are the SPD's from 2010, hyperglide 8 speed cassete and chain, and the Selle Italia Flite saddle. Yes, it's bloody heavy and has a lot of 'flex'; I like to call it the 'Mobile Steel Crush Bar Set' but it is most ceartainly NOT falling apart, sir! Duh. Steel is real and Old Farts can still do some decent cycling, mind you. Nice vid again, thanks.

[@philipholenstein5685]

Best pair of GCN presenters!

[@kasplatspeed5793]

Classic, raced them all my life and did well with them the look feel and just because it was all they built.

[@boylekay789]

We look at bike designs decades old and find them beautiful, classic, nostalgic, etc. I wonder decades from now, how will people look at the current bikes

[@curtvaughan2836]

Most current carbon fiber bicycles will either crack up from hard usage, or go out of vogue within a decade. Great steel frames can last indefinitely with proper care and upgrading of components. To compare bicycles 30+ years old, or in this case, a replica using similar frame technology, with current top end bikes can be likened to comparing vintage well built cars with newer autos. I'd take a well maintained '57 Chevy over a new Corvette, and would probably pay a similar price. I recently got on a waiting list to purchase a Richard Sachs hand made steel bicycle. It will likely end up costing around $10K after adding top end Campy groupo and a nice wheel set. It would probably cost me a similar price for a bicycle like the "super bike" illustrated above. I would still rather have the Sachs. I'm way too old to race or compete, but not too old to appreciate fine craftsmanship bordering on fine art. Good video, though!

[@Hertog_von_Berkshire]

Love my RRA, Majestic, Pro-am, Evans tourer ... several others ... genuine vintage, all of them.

[@redrocker1055]

Superbikes are cool and certainly have their place but my heart will always belong to the old school styling of the classics.

[@brianrainey2739]

The “retro” steel bike is a beautiful cake designed by an artist, the modern carbon bike is a baguette. No one will remember seeing the baguette.

[@filipbronola536]

I'd say the engineering and design that went into optimizing and creating a strong aerodynamic carbon frame is just as iconic as the craft work that goes into classic steel.

[@eoinkelly2674]

@@filipbronola536 just no, Chinese mass-produced monocoques can't compare

[@bk83082]

Baguettes are far better for daily use.

[@randorecumbent]

Love me a classic steel road bike but one modern bike I definitely will never forget is the latest De Rosa Pininfarina. That's a gorgeous bike, carbon or not.

[@alpsalish]

Bad comparison. I will take a baguette. I actually remember amazing baguettes though.

[@indy2867]

😂😂 I'm so glad they took the comment I left 8 minutes ago on another video to heart!! A retro-mod! Love it!

[@derekhartloper11]

Love your comparison test guys, with a good measure of Ollie and Si humour to boot! What percent faster was the Filante in the time trial? I'll remember the 4% from the hill climb, very interesting!

[@rikkiola]

1:06 Ollie, can you let Si know how to pronounce Wilier, sure the sponsor would appreciate it 😝

[@jelle7224]

Beautiful bikes! Absolutely stunning.

[@knarf_on_a_bike]

That's the reality: they're both gorgeous.

[@jmccartney2007]

I still love steel bikes, and that one is definitely super nice.

[@pablodiaz6130]

always so good videos!!

[@jdickens111]

Love em both, but i think the Superleggera is a bit more sexy. Love the classic lines and the paint/color is spot on.

[@TSOYasin]

I really enjoyed this style of video

[@intayonlakay8230]

You guys are great! Very funny 😂 My choice is the Filante. I can’t wait to get my hands on one in the US...

[@Kaiserfa]

Clearly the Filante. I just like those modern frame geometries way more.