Why Hollywood Uses This Camera System!!

[@CVPTV]

The Sony VENICE 2 & RIALTO Extension System is awesome but let us know what you think of it down below!

[@JOAOAUGUSTODIASABREU]

What I think? I want one 🙏🙌💯😂 pleeeeeease 😂 great review guys, as always

[@sertocd]

...or you simply get a DJI Ronin 4D 4-Axis Cinema Camera 8K Combo Kit.

[@blah3242]

I work at Keslow Camera and helped the camera team on Top Gun: Maverick for an entire year and a half with getting this thing setup. Saying it was insane is an understatement. Claudio Miranda had countless lens tests and Dan Ming, Bob Smathers, and Max DeLeo prepped camera for an entire 3 months prior to shooting. a normal feature film preps for maybe 4-5 days. They had the exact dimensions of the cockpit mapped out on the floor in tape so he can figure out exactly how to run all the cabling for the Rialto blocks. The crew worked directly with our R&D team to design and manufacture all the brackets needed to pull it off. Custom camera trigger boxes were needed to start recording on all the cameras at the same time and had to be done by the cast. The Voigtlander lenses were modified to remove the hoods that come stock on them because they would get in each others shots. Not necessarily for weight but more so for space. IIRC at it's peak, Top Gun had 32 cameras out at the same time across multiple units. None of the custom gear can be used again because it's all certified by the US Department of Defense. Sadly it may never see the light of day again. Keslow is the owner of Venice & Rialto serial #1. If you rent from them you may get lucky and get it!

[@roo1538]

I like Miranda's work. Thanks for sharing!

[@kylehessling2679]

You could literally wear a backpack and run and gun like its a mirrorless rig...that's awesome!

[@markymarkvancity]

except you still have to carry all the weight of the body and its got some heavy bones..

[@marianoguy]

​@@markymarkvancity or... someone else can carry it

[@spdcrzy]

​@@markymarkvancitynot really. With a gimbal in a support ring hanging from a support rig, the weight of the body on the back would actually be perfectly canceled out. It's brilliant system.

[@sendykumalakanta1]

This system was also used to film "Minamata" in 2019. I remember I was blown away by it, when they removed the sensor to get low to the ground dynamic shots of Johnny Depp for a frog eye perspective view. Almost like having a smaller form factor camera or mirrorles with a powerful brain...

[@kavirio3849]

0:05 dhanush 😍

[@yaelsoto2742]

wow that sony venice 2 is a true beauty, the detachable mount is very practical even to put a stabilizer on it without losing the brutal specifications. 😍

[@AllThingsFilm1]

The Venice camera with the Rialto system sounds like a dream configuration. If I could afford the Venice 2 camera, I would definitely include the Rialto system in my setup.

[@MaxamillianStudio]

1:06 Total Ghostbuster vibes!

[@panoramavideoproduktionrob3325]

Like CVP mentioned, Sony got inspired by the extension unit from the ARRI Alexa M. As far as I know, ARRI abandoned the M-Line...

[@RednWhiteWorld]

Exactly, like 8 years ago

[@thorwaldjohanson2526]

I am hoping Arri will revisit this.

[@watchvideosoul]

I’m not sure that’s correct about Sony being inspired by the Alexa M. The Alexa M was released in 2011, I think. But way before that in 2006, Sony had the HKC-T1500 which is essentially exactly the same concept.

[@the180degreerule3]

wrong

[@jonathanhamilton2308]

Love this - back to the 90s/00s with small high quality agile cam systems - thanks CVP for super informative and thorough (as always) deep dive. Will share with colleagues and students- cheers + love the 80s/90s video game arcade!!

[@Typh00n2000]

Great video and pretty incredible system! Although I would say there was a little missed opportunity to not mention Avatar: The Way of Water with that weird stereoscopic setup they had.

[@ScribblebytesWorldwide]

You just melted my brain. Thank you.

[@markymarkvancity]

Just finished prepping venice 2 for a 5 week feature. There are some things I like about it like the full set of internal ND's, 2x 3pin fischer standard, and the control panel on dumb side. Thing's I dislike are the EVF, the arri cage is mediocre at best and attaching TX is a nightmare compared to alexa studio or mini, also attaching an MDR is not fun. I like the idea of the rialto system but I believe if you want to use it that way it's better to have a dedicated body for rialto because when you have to changeover it's literally like building an entire new package. Backpack rigs are also contradictory for tight spaces as the op is gonna be banging the body into walls and things behind him. Guarantee it happened multiple times on boiling point.

[@anirudhtd7193]

Would you prefer an arri lf or the Venice?

[@markymarkvancity]

@@anirudhtd7193 mini, mini LF, or alexa 35 > venice 2 imo. My colleague was on B cam for s1 of Last of Us and they used a stripped down mini LF body with backpack rig to mount TX, MDR, battery etc. The body is a couple lbs heavier than the rialto extension when stripped but overall weight and size is smaller because you're not carrying the additional huge body on your back. Mini also more versatile for steadicam, ronin2 and crane etc. Also the alexa mini EVF > sony EVF. Somehow the mini EVF is smaller and has a flipout LCD screen than the sony EVF.

[@CLOCKCOUNTRY]

We've used it for a few shoots where I was a 2nd AC with the body strapped to a cine saddle and that saddle strapped to me. I would just move with the DP and kind of spot him at the same time. Also because it wasn't on my back, but resting on the saddle in front of me I had quick access to the camera settings. This system can be a real advantage shooting here in Tokyo where space can be non-existent in certain locations.

[@dmoney1324]

I feel like it would make more sense for the whole camera to be on a cine saddle with just one person instead of the camera in two pieces with two people if space was a big deal…

[@SDA921]

The Venice 2 and Rialto system create a formfactor that I would love to do some shoots with. Unfortunately they are at a price point a touch out of my scope until I hit bigger and more frequent clients X"D But, as with most tech, I can see this system making its way down to the lower end of the pro lineups within a decade or two. Thankfully cameras like the FX3 pair fairly well with the FX9 and give your a smaller formfactor to fit in those tighter and more awkward spaces. But definitely keep the high end showcases coming :3 I love seeing what the industry has on all spectrums and seeing where we are headed with technology~

[@memostothefuture]

The most useful channel on youtube knocking it out of the park again.

[@daniellove162]

People don’t realize that when you use the rialto system with the Venice 1 it can not do RAW but uses a 10 bit log file.

[@haxstir]

6K at 10bit for cinema is fine.

[@Alexmcasteel]

why you telling lies lol.

[@sammorganmoore]

nice vid. I gotta rig this tomorrow and now I know most of what I need to know :) that emount tucked away brings an option if the cine glasss is too heavy

[@Stasiek_Zabojca]

It's so clever and so useful that it's weird that it wasn't widely adopted many years ago. I wish you mentioned how they connected two of them to record Avatar: The Way of Water in IMAX 3D.

[@Dlowreyjr01]

Ok Sony… let’s see a 4.8k Venice sensor later this year. With dynamic range that competes with an Alexa 35, higher frame rates, and Venice 1/2 compatible. Boom!

[@Joshua_S]

I love how everyone started to make videos about the rialto system when topgun came out and I was shooting with it 1 year before that xD

[@weareallbeingwatched4602]

It has that "Sony look". Grey-green and kinda milky/hazy is their style. Japan winter misty daylight colour spectrum.

[@omenka]

Great video! In andor they used the arri lf as main cam and the venice as bcam

[@impatrickt]

i covered the rialto in my top gun video. it's awesome.

[@suniansyah]

This not camera, this is SONY...

[@joshkiddfilms1295]

Varicam 35 also had a similar system to this. It’s a great concept

[@cobymarcum1442]

Awesome review CVP! 👍

[@DubYaJsWorld]

So cine cameras turning into mirrorless cameras and mirrorless cameras are turning into cine cameras. What you can get out of a a75, R5, s5ii, and many others can easily go on the big screen. What a time we live in!

[@johnclay7644]

informative 6.5mins, do the FX6 (sony) too, Thanks CVP.

[@ResizeFilms]

Favorite camera. 🖤

[@cjkalandek996]

Other movies you forgot to mention were shot with the Sony Venice are _Avatar: The Way of Water_ and _Black Panther: Wakanda Forever._

[@83442handle]

Very cool for VR production. Probably get the IDP correct being that small.

[@familygonzcartwright]

Could you do a full review of the original Venice?

[@a8uella]

I was wondering how they got that corridor shot in ‘Top Gun: Maverick’ with such little room for a cinema rig. Nice

[@ryanfoley8035]

sony did this back in the 90s with an ENG camera BVP-T70

[@RealMilschmann]

DJI ronin can do it also for a quarter of the price

[@mikelardy]

I swear I saw a Pentax Takumar on one of those Top Gun cameras!

[@pradeepr2044]

Amazing camera

[@AlmightyUniden]

How long can the cable go? Is it a fixed length?

[@iilyich]

О, прикольно, вчера видел как на Арбате на такую снимали какой-то сериал)

[@giljesusseraspe9225]

Great video.

[@ReganRoss]

This is so funny. All the would be KZbin filmmakers are trying to get larger and larger looking cameras (or at least trying to make their mirrorless cameras look like cinema cameras by adding matte boxes that they don't even use) and Hollywood is like 'hey if we didn't need all the buttons, and inputs, we'd be using smaller cameras too.'

[@ShashankTinkuSharma]

please review samyang V-AF prime lenses.

[@beany]

But where is the link to the short film you shot?

[@CVPTV]

You can see it in this video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4mwkoiqm7x7obc

[@2handsomeforlaw]

It's also nice in a 3d rig using two cameras.

[@FrameVoyager]

I could have sworn I JUST WATCHED a video just like this 🤔🤔🤔

[@ingaman]

I legit thought those fighter jet scenes were all done in a digital backlot

[@henryshingalili4181]

Imagine, if more manufuctureser could so this and have common cable systems that allowed third parties to develop their own sensors (or bodies) a red Red sendor with a sony body or vice versa

[@Nick_Lavigne]

I always wished I could get a top end Sony camera since the F65.

[@haxstir]

The F65 you can buy cheap these days

[@jackiegyf]

may I know which camera shoot you in this video?thx

[@CVPTV]

Canon R5 C! Jake

[@jackiegyf]

@@CVPTV The picture quality is really great, I wanted to buy the r5c, but the price in China and the US is too high. I finally chose bmpcc6kpro. Picture quality is okay too.😁😁

[@loudandclearmedia]

It would be a killer webcam.

[@vhateg]

Jokes aside, it won't. It doesn't have autofocus.

[@loudandclearmedia]

@@vhateg I've used a pocket 6K as a webcam...pretty frequently actually. If you're just sitting there, and have peaking pulled up on a monitor it's not tough to do.

[@adonistopofmen2571]

Great cameras ...

[@vertujoe2886]

the only curiousity i have is that why no manufacturer made this design since the seperate camera / vtr era...

[@remka2000]

The name makes sense, the Rialto being this famous bridge in Venice (Italy, not California 😂).

[@IaroslavKerget]

nice, thank you

[@8lec_R]

Sent here by frame Voyager 😆

[@FrameVoyager]

👊

[@alexschettino1277]

Worked as an AC for gig with this camera. Honestly Did not like it. Shoots well but it's kinda hard to be quick with between setups

[@antonymification212]

.... And before the SI2K mini; We only had the BVW-35 BetaCam SP NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT UMATIC.

[@emmanuelnkwocha1275]

u forgot black panther 2 was shot on the venice and venice 2

[@darrenorange2982]

I don't understand why this needed, I feel like most would just use a FX3 in these situations. That should intercut seamlessly.

[@daniellove162]

There are a few things Sony would have to unlock with firmware in order for it to be more appropriate like DCI, true 24fps, open gate and shutter angle. Of course the Venice shoots 6k as well.

[@darrenorange2982]

@@daniellove162 I'm less concerned about the resolution, but yea huge issue if it lacks true 24 and is not actually DCI, but I figure that doesn't mater much if you chose to record ProRes RAW.

[@daniellove162]

@@darrenorange2982 - This is crazy but the Rialto system does not actually record RAW on Venice 1, only 10 bit log.

[@Dlowreyjr01]

@@daniellove162 that is completely false. You can record 16 bit RAW on the Venice 1 through the R7 via Rialto. And ProRes RAW is the most overrated codec around. You get way more practical use out of ProRes 4444 XQ.

[@daniellove162]

@@Dlowreyjr01 - The production house I work at has 2 Venice 1s with the AXS-R7 backs. Show me documentation that the Rialta system can leverage the R7 back. At Cinegear 2022 we had exclusive meetings with Sony execs. They talked about how in Top Gun 2 the RIALTA does NOT accommodate RAW. Even the RED corporate was trashing the Rialta for not doing RAW.

[@veeran3314]

Dhanush greay man

[@nadiration]

Why am i watching this? I need to sleep.

[@NPC_averagemale003]

Imagine a world where GoPro has PL mounts.

[@dmoney1324]

I feel like they used it mostly because the Alexa mini didn’t shoot 4k.

[@CVPTV]

If that was the case why not use the Mini LF? Jake

[@ele4853]

Sony owns most of hollyweed. That's why.

[@DJAYPAZ]

Excellent observation.

[@matzhouse]

Do I need a Venice? No. Am I now working out why I need a Venice? yes. Video calls are a good enough reason, right?

[@pyalot]

Almost as if Sony wants a pocket size cinema camera...

[@Helios824]

Alot filmmaker's use this camera

[@kurtnelle]

Not gonna lie, it was a little difficult to get excited about this system. I'd have to know more about how robust that cable system is.

[@andrewowusu-mensah7834]

DJI be like ✍✍✍

[@2424rocket]

Let’s be honest… The Sony Venice as far as I’m concerned does not look very good. The number one camera used by Hollywood is the Alexa. And more people use Red then the Venice.

[@AndreasQuandt1974]

Not a new concept. In 2009, Silicon Imaging introduced the SI-2K. A digital cinema camera with a detachable sensor block. Slumdog Millionaire was partially filmed on it.

[@CVPTV]

We mention this in the video mate!

[@watchvideosoul]

@@CVPTValso the Sony HKC-T1500 back in 2006.

[@watchvideosoul]

@@CVPTVoh, also the F65 T-Head!

[@deejayiwan7]

I love how they use plastic E lenses on high end camera 😃😃🤪😁😁😆

[@lumborecords]

kinda ghostbusters

[@illikkal]

Is this the camera made for James Cameron?

[@Vibrance_Visuals]

Avatar?

[@axelvetter]

Yes, Avatar 2 was shot with two Venices with Rialtos mounted into a 3D rig.

[@jamesbridges1107]

3/4" Used it first ; )

[@rvishal6318]

No they don't, almost every major movies at Oscars are shot on arri

[@KOKOBC]

I think avatar 2 also used it

[@andywakeman9806]

Or you could shoot on an FX3 and most wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. 😅

[@360DigitalStudios]

I don't get it. Sony has been obsessed with this tethering for years. I'd rather use something like a Komodo.

[@apuchamling8009]

Japanese technology Made in nippon

[@SpongeBob-xh8ir]

DJI copied it

[@tihzho]

Your glasses are crooked.

[@subhradeepsharma]

I will have two please.