Cyberdark - Failed Cards, Archetypes, and Sometimes Mechanics in Yu-Gi-Oh

[@TheDuelLogs]

The video was re-uploaded to fix a few minor mistakes. The changes include: 1:05 original video incorrectly stated they gained half the atk of the equipped monster, changed to say full amount. 2:56 - 3:19 original video made a mention to them gaining half atk, so it was rewrote to something else. 6:39 added the correct Rafflesia, as well as changed the lines slightly to better reflect what's being talked about. 9:01 corrected the audio portion incorrectly stating Chimera's atk and def in the original video.

[@CasualCasual-hv9us]

Cyberdark Is Strong 5K UNbeatable This is Enough For Whatever or you are a liar I Guess You wanna Money

[@taninsuwannatri8411]

0:52 Cyberdark Impact released in English TCG on November 15, 2006 not November 3.

[@samuelcastillo5246]

Don't worry man, were already used to you saying something works one way when it totally doesn't🫶

[@reclusioo8588]

Can you make a video on ancient gears? They’ve recently gotten new support in Legacy of Destruction that makes them a viable archetype now

[@eiilos98]

Mr. DuelLogs from the channel The DuelLogs, the next Failed Archetype could also be a GX one; The Roid monsters.

[@amenperson]

Fun fact, if the OG Cyberdark monster had the anime effect of being able to equip level 4 dragons from either grave, they would have been a menace back in the day. Not only due to their attack being around 2.8k for a normal summon, but also many level 4 dragons had sent to grave effects back in the day.

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

But that would've been fun wouldn't it?

[@pnealiv7443]

It'd be cool if they printed retrains of the original mons with those effects. They could do the Cyber Harpie Lady thing and just straight up replace the original not so great trio.

[@reddawn1873]

Lester dragon would have been amazing in that scenario

[@_Vengeance_]

It also would've made Infernal Dragon make some sense. Though then again, they could've just fixed that by making Infernal Dragon a lvl 3, that would've been a fair compromise (well, in that case I'd also have liked for Dragons to get their own Pyramid Turtle, but much worse as it'd only search for 0 DEF to not make Zombies useless. It would have 0 DEF itself as well of course. Would really tie together the 2 Dragons Zane used).

[@jshtng78]

@@mrhalfsaid1389 Would it have been fun if it was your opponent playing Cyberdarks against you on anything else?

[@KiuhKobold]

In yugioh, either your deck becomes meta fast, or dies early and becomes part of a half-assed engine in another strategy

[@baxterbruce9827]

Excuse me, Aromas became a FULL-Assed Engine in Plant Pile decks

[@ShadowFox10587O]

Alot of them just don't translate over well because they're designed for the anime where everything is scripted. You have your climactic moments when you get just the card you need at the 11th hour to get out of a hyper specific situation but that doesn't often work as well irl. No one is going to use hyper specific thing when generic staple is just objectively better.

[@baxterbruce9827]

@@ShadowFox10587O Strangely, Cyberdarks also just, got a mechanical nerf in general in the transition to the real game, in the anime it was level 4 or lower dragons from either GY, in the real game it's 3 or lower and your GY only

[@ShadowFox10587O]

@@baxterbruce9827 Yeah sometimes they seem to be afraid of it being too strong so they over compensate. It's either pack filler or its going to get banned Konami isn't very good at striking a balance alot of times.

[@baxterbruce9827]

@@ShadowFox10587O To be fair, sometimes it's clearly on purpose, it feels like most lore archetypes get a bit overtuned because Konami wants people using and getting invested in the lore And frankly, it feels like the entire Fusion Mechanic gets this treatment too, Konami treats Fusion like a baby when the last few times a Fusion deck was good it was literally top of the meta In particular, Tearlaments have basically been stabbed in the face with how much got on the banned list and they're STILL an effective engine The ultimate convergence of Konami's desire to make Lore good and their desire to make Fusion good

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen752]

You forgot to mention that this deck is an Underworld deck which is highly dangerous and can taint the user to become Emo

[@knockout8157]

True, it’s a very important thing to mention. Wait- _I think I know what happened to me now-_

[@xyzen9673]

The quote "nearly put his brother in a bodybag" and "hes so lovable" is the biggest uno reverse ever

[@knockout8157]

I mean… depends on how much you like Syrus I guess XD

[@ricardomiles2957]

i find it odd Cyberdark doesn't have more monsters, thematically speaking, since the Boss monster is pretty much 3 monsters over each other it would make sense to make it "modular". It could focus in fusion summoning different interations cyberdark dragon

[@Xaiff]

Then they would become VWXYZ Cyberdark Dragon Catapult Cannon 😎

[@samueltaillant8825]

@@Xaiff I mean, why not? An evil version of that archetype sounds fun

[@Bezaliel13]

@@Xaiff Like CyberdarkNESS Dragon?

[@Xaiff]

@@samueltaillant8825 cool, right? 😎

[@dudebladeX]

When a Towers and an Omni-Negate can't save you, what can? Maybe a more formal archetypal fusion card. Mill the deck if you're summoning Cyberdark Dragon specifically, but still let you use the other Cyberdark cards for the fusion summon. This deck needs more than just one card to save it, but it still needs a more formal fusion spell card.

[@duelistemissary7680]

What's worse is that cyberdarkness isn't once per turn either The problem specifically for cyberdark is that they have one combo, and your back up plan if it gets stopped is to play cyber dragon instead, since it's infinitely better, but at that point, just play cyber dragon

[@testardonormanno8159]

@@duelistemissary7680 Care to explain how this "back up" plan works? Because both Galaxy Soldier and Machine Dupe are terrible in mixed builds due to the added bricks (having to run 3 Cydra is awful), and Galaxy not working with Horizon and the non-LIGHTs. Not to mention the fact Infinity does not synergize with the Cyberdark stuff at all -- I'd rather summon Cyberdarkness + another Cyberdark or Therion King for the bonus negates.

[@duelistemissary7680]

​​@@testardonormanno8159 I was being too gracious with saying there's a "backup plan", it's more like you hope and pray that you have the right cards left to summon something like twin dragon or rampage dragon. Realistically you're best end board if you are interrupted is sieger

[@gabrielhoelzle8476]

@@duelistemissary7680 pure cyber dragon have a problem of having few options when going first. Adding cyberdarks to the mix raises the ceiling of what you can do on turn 1 quite a bit, but yeah, they take a lot of space you could use for hand traps and staples instead

[@drewbabe]

Either remove the locks from the cards (cydras have this problem too) or let the fusions equip any number of machines and dragons from the GY to themselves on summon, rather than just one. If you're gonna crumple so easily to Ash Blossom you might as well get a payoff that's worth it if you don't get interrupted, like Cydras do with a near-guaranteed OTK with the Chimeratechs and Power Bond. Or just unban Verte lmao but we all know that card is a problem even if not as much as Halq was.

[@ShayyTV]

the 3 original cyberdark main deck monsters so badly need a retrain. this archetype could actually be something really solid with the support it has, but horn keel and edge are so bad

[@knockout8157]

Holy flip didn’t expect to see _you_ here- Agreed. Since they came out in the gx era, they were more in line with the power level of that time, which _would_ be fine if they weren’t SPECIFICALLY required to get cyberdark dragon. If it were 3 cyberdark monsters, I feel like it would have been a lot stronger considering the various cyberdark monsters that came with more modern support, but they are still required for the deck to function in any capacity. A retrain of them, kinda like what happened with harpy ladies, as another comment mentioned, would be the best way to go since they could be on a more modern power level while still being treated as the correct materials

[@Megladonman2708]

See this you dont actually need to play the origonal three you can just dump cyberdark dragon by use horizon also little known fact nachster combos well with chimera

[@kaisim980]

they change the part where they said that cyberdark only gain half of the target's attack, that's the main difference I seen they didn't mention twin headed behemot in the original video either

[@rohmattrimulyadi9171]

Yeah, its reuploaded, there is a mistake in previous upload during 3:08, in previous video he said that cyberdarks only gain half the attack of the equipped monsters.

[@windmirror7083]

Currently my only issues with the archetype is that 1) Chimera doesn't allow you to also pitch a S/T from field to search. This allow Realm not to clog up space for an Equip centered deck. It would also allow another way to trigger Claw/Cannon/Attachment Cybern 2) Invasion only allows you to destroy your opponent's cards. Another way it could have allowed you to trigger Claw/Cannon/Cyben...or get a card off the field taking up space and outlived its usefulness. Would also have been nice if both effects weren't mutually exclusive I would have also loved if Chimera could search Polymerization (or fusion spell) in addition to Power Bond

[@thatdrummeroz654]

Highly agree. Chimera could have definitely helped the mechanic if its effect were to send s/t instead of discarding. Combining its effect with Machina Overdrive comes in handy, but at that point there's not much the deck offers other than linear game play. I'm still addicted to this archetype got some reason. Deck needs more gas than searchers. Red-Eyes Full Metal seems like fun to mess with. Both Red-Eyes and Cyberdarks sit on potential that have hard times synergistically stand alone and with other archetypes. Hopefully we can get some upgrades like Sacred Beasts, Yubel, and Armed Dragon but for Cyberdarks. I'd almost have better luck w Cyber Laser and Barrier Dragon. 🤞new support?

[@Chucky_Martinez]

Man, and I really love Cyberdark's too, I was even happy it was getting somewhat of a Destiny End Dragoon treatment by merging Cyberdark Dragon with Cyber End Dragon

[@deku4517]

As a Cyberdark player, i agree with everything you say, i really hope that Cyberdark End Dragon could equip monsters in the GY during the opponents turn so steal him resources, but nope, just a 5000 atk T-pose (i still win some matchs as long as they dont draw the out)

[@gabrielhoelzle8476]

Don't forget the monster you equip becomes an extra negate if you have cyberdarkness on the field as well :)

[@vik.6103]

Cyberdarkness is way cooler than cyberdark end anyway, just retrain the 3 main deck Monsters to make it easier to summon

[@nziking2267]

@@vik.6103 idk man, 5k beast stick thats unaffected by activated effects and can attack multiple timess is pretty funnu

[@lechadmonark5836]

Incase someone feeling deja vu Its a re upload for the sake of getting the fact straight (mainly the half attack boost error) Either way i still like this video

[@Quanze]

On the subject of Cyberdark/Exosister, it'd be great to see a video of some of the weirdest/unexpected archetypes with synergies.

[@furiko9989]

Konami please hear my prayers, give us immaculate retrains I’m on my knees. Please 😭😭😭

[@AyELTee88]

Cyberdarks got fucked over coming into OCG. That level nerf really fucked them over. And it was even more confusing when they released infernal dragon as a level 4, so you couldn't even equip it to them.

[@jessehendricks331]

Cyber Dragon/Cyberdark hybrid deck is currently one of my favorite decks to play, the consistency of the cyberdark engine in the cyber dragon deck really makes for a fun OTK strat. Sad that the OG 3 Cyberdark monsters are unplayable

[@jetguy128]

true, cyberdark is better off as support for cyber dragon deck. Although in the past, two monster types would have been incompatible since cyberdark relied heavily on dragons. Cyberdark End Dragon made it all possible

[@JosephHk743]

Maybe there was a minor error in the previous version of this video and that’s why it’s reuploaded. Still an interesting insight on why Cyberdark is less intimidating than what Dark Zane displayed in the anime. Horn, edge, and keel being bricks even with all the solid support that came out later didn’t really help.

[@testardonormanno8159]

I would disagree, thanks to Cannon/Claw/Realm they got a lot better and very consistent. Besides, isn't Cyber Dragon itself a brick nowadays? It's a LV5 that does nothing by itself unless you go 2nd and there's something on the field to contact fuse. The Cyberdarks on the other hand are free summons and walking foolish burials. The problem of Cyberdark is their fusion monsters, which require way too much investment, and the fusion support from Cyber Strike being extremely mid.

[@kennethwalsh247]

I hope this guy never stops doing this. It makes me happy.

[@theazuredemon4854]

You know an archetype is so awful that's it's player base doesn't even go "At least it's good in Duel Links" meaning card R&D REALLY need to retrain the 3 OG Cyberdarks to be full on remakes that have way better effects than the OGs that also support Cyber Dragon to some extent, and having a Cyberdark Fusion that is literally every modern archetypal fusion spell by for Cyberdarks AND Cyber Dragons and allows you substitute named Cyber Dragons in hand and deck for OG Cyber Dragon.

[@NoobRNGesus]

Cyberdark can be used as a quite strong engine, since they provide a quite efficient draw/fodder-engine. 3 Claw, 2 Cannon, 1 of either Edge, Keel or Horn, 3 Realm and optionally 1 of the field spell. Since the draw-effect of Cannon while equipped isn't once per turn, and works when sent for cost, you can use the field spell and realm to normal summon the lvl4 multiple times, netting you 3 draws and a decent amount of + in card advantage. Works very well with for example Diabellstar and OSS. It isn't the greatest engine, but it is fun ^^

[@TrueBladeSoul]

Honestly if they just had better consistency they’d be good

[@NoobRNGesus]

@@TrueBladeSoul Consistency isn't bad if used as an engine, just very weak to droll and ash. And since they are all ns, it also plays decently into the roach

[@uaeoaeoeoi]

If I made retrains of Edge, Horn, and Keel, I would have them take the original's name at all times like the Umi retrains, replace the battle effects with effects that let you discard them to add a Cyberdark card and change the equip efect to be any time they are summoned with the target changed from level 3 or lower dragons to any "cyber" monster. Maybe also a protection/immunity granting effect for the backrow and archetypal cards. Basically optimizing for a fusion turbo strategy, maybe balanced by locking you into the "Cyber" archetype if you add a couple Cyberdark monsters that give disruption effects while equipped.

[@Bezaliel13]

But when has kon-AHHH, why does everyone keep spamming "retrains?"

[@Redpoppy80]

The GX era might have come up with some really creative mechanics, but it was clear that they were never play tested to see if they could, you know, actually work. Volcanics, Crystal Beasts, Elemental Heroes, Cloudians the list goes ON. Cyber Dragons were so good because they special summoned themselves for free and were just one card game winners.

[@acidgolem2132]

it was definitely an era where they started experimenting with archetype, some of them where slam dunk tho (gladiator beast, lightsworn).

[@Redpoppy80]

@@acidgolem2132 Yeah. I really like the ideas of Glad Beasts and Lightsworn. I wish we had more of that personally. They were slightly over tuned but they did work.

[@Kenneth2413]

​@@Redpoppy80they really need to do retrains or errata updates to old cards that really need it (not just to get banned cards playable), and give old archtypes new support (for example, every old archtype getting 5 new cards in each pack) rather than constantly putting out new archtypes.

[@Redpoppy80]

@@Kenneth2413 realistically, Yu-Gi-Oh needs a full-on hard reboot because Konami has made the game far too complex for anyone to get into now.

[@Kenneth2413]

@@Redpoppy80 from a business perspective that wouldn't be a good idea. Suddenly making all the old cards useless would have players just giving up the game rather than starting over. If they came up with a few additional formats though, then it could be easier for new players to get into. (For example, a no special summon format, and a no link or pendulum summon format would give beginners a few choices of format that they could excel in.) If they also put in a new format for existing players ( like the deck master system from that 1 season of duel monsters) then that could be really fun too! (Though they'd have to slowly add what abilities each card would have if it were chosen as a deck master and some monsters might have to be unavailable as choices.)

[@YungMeech313]

The Leng Ling/ Cyberdark Edge combo though 👍🏾💯

[@AmiriHipHop]

The funniest parts about this reupload is that you can tells which parts were edited solely off the fact that the Background Music suddenly cuts off then turns back on each time the edit happens.

[@coolgreek79]

Re-uploaded? 🤔

[@M_M386]

Probably because I disliked it and he didn't like that

[@Dinosaur656]

Yeah, in his original video he incorrectly stated that Cyberdark Keel, Edge and Horn would gain attack equal to half of the equipped dragon's attack, when this isn't true as they gain the attack equal to the dragon monster's original attack.

[@Bankai-bp1qj]

It must have been in the original video, He mistakenly said the attack of the Cyberdark main deck monsters only increased by half off the monster equipped instead of their original attack.

[@Dinosaur656]

@@Bankai-bp1qj Yeah, I noticed that, it really bugged me

[@faereman]

He also fixed Cyberdark Chimera's part because he said it had 1600 ATK and 800 DEF in the original vid.

[@coolgreek79]

Ok to address the atk point issue 😊

[@michaeltran4275]

I hope that the Evil HEROes are next as the failed mechanics’ notes’ video

[@baxterbruce9827]

In fairness, I don't think Evil HERO was really meant to function on their own, heck, several of their Fusions DEMAND MULTIPLE named Elemental Hero monsters

[@knockout8157]

@@baxterbruce9827​​⁠​⁠yeah. I feel like HERO in general is more like one archetype and then destiny HERO, elemental HERO, etc are sort of sub-archetypes.

[@Coopthegoon]

I would love to see to try another card to try and bridge the 2 cyber decks together. Something like “CyberDark Eclipser” level 4. Always treated as a light monster. On normal or special summon turn all your machine monsters on the field into 5s. Lock you into summoning only machines. Once per turn in your graveyard if control a dark fusion machine monster. (Quick effect) target 1 monsters in either players grave yard. Equips it to the fusion monster. This I feel like will address the miss mark of cyber dragon Drei by having its effect on normal or special. Also makes dualaility live on turn one. Also has the effect of the cool trap card I never get to use because I have to pitch it away to search Power bond. Idk I just want to see more cards merge the decks together like hero is now a days

[@KveiraHj]

My two favorite types of monsters are lyterally dragons and machines. How Cyberdark unite these, easily became my favorite archetype. It is a shame that is forgotten about.

[@Gigadestroyermets]

How can you say that about Cyberdarks? They’re awesome especially CyberDark Claw and Cannon. Two very important cards. Claw can get 5 headed dragon to the graveyard and Cannon can send different machine monsters to the graveyard. CyberDark Dragon or CyberDarkness Dragon can get equipped with 5 headed dragon and then Ka-Blamo!

[@gamergunn7139]

That last comment about "how do you fail in Duel Links" had to be purposely written for me. I played against the Vagabond and a Legend player apparently made a CD deck, I crushed it in a single turn. Dude got his Cyberdarkness Dragon out on his turn 1, but I still beat it with my Infinitracks to Cannon Liebe

[@TSfish94]

They were a fun rogue pick when neos fusion first came out, I think they might’ve even ran the invoked engine at one point, but once neos got hit with the limited 2 status, that was all she wrote for them.

[@gamergunn7139]

@@TSfish94 yeah, but it just showcased how far they fell, I "lost" the coin toss in that game, but still destroyed it in a single turn. Not only did I destroy the "ace", but won the duel

[@hydrotatsumaster]

Are they good? No. Are they fun? Yes. To this day, my favorite set of cards. I'll never abandon them.

[@camgoodkicks]

We have a great series dedicated to failed archetypes, but I’d love to see a series dedicated to the successful ones also

[@vuthuhang5108]

Well, in my opinion, it is not that bad. I usually play this deck with Endymion and Invoked (you can think it is ridiculous, but believe me, it works pretty well), since it can provide two extra negates. However it is still hard to avoid Handtrap when your opponent only needs an Ash Blossom to stop you.

[@SakuraAvalon]

It may not be competitive, but watching your opponent struggle to out a 5,600 ATK Monster that's unaffected by activated effects makes up for it. Especially when they destroy your Attachment Cybern, allowing you to Summon Cyberdarkness Dragon with 8000ATK.

[@knockout8157]

Heck yes! I play cyberdark cydra as a fun deck(play it wrong, actually 😅 towers turbo instead of otk. I just really like darkness end dragon :) ) and it’s so awesome to get it on the board, then if you have time you can use chimera and horizon again to banish cyber end and cyberdark dragon from the grave and get a cyberdark end dragon with 10,000 atk!! It’s so cool!!! :D

[@SakuraAvalon]

@@knockout8157 Exactly! :D It's just like the anime.

[@Citizen_Nappa23]

Meanwhile my Blue Eyes Jet dragon is saying attack I dare you 😉 because if you won't I will next turn!

[@SakuraAvalon]

@@Citizen_Nappa23 Goddammit, Nappa.

[@knockout8157]

@@SakuraAvalon this guy is like- OBSESSED with blue eyes… You think he needs help? XD

[@rainbowdragon168]

Please do the Cloudians as a failed archetype next for this series. It would be nice to see your views on how the archetype is pretty bad and why.

[@thatman666]

Vehicroids needs to be the next failed archetype video. It must go full circle.

[@rainbowdragon168]

@@thatman666Okay they might be the next for the series but I’m just saying a suggestion

[@Syborgenator]

To be fair, I casually use this deck and find if you pair it with the Cyber Dragon extra deckers, Chimeratech & Zeus it still gets beaten into the floor but can set you up for a MASSIVE one shot beatstick.

[@Ninja_Geek]

I swear the OG Cyberdark trio just need Harpie Lady style retrains. No matter how much support you put around the OG trio, they will always be bad. Just retrain them and have the retrains treat themselves as the OGs while in hand, field, or grave if the OG names are necessary.

[@eduardwalter4174]

0:12 wait what 😂😂😂😂😂

[@fate0660]

Let's pray this gets us some new cyberdark support!!!

[@mrbondtux4987]

Little fun fact... I often summon Cyberdark end Dragon on my Dogmatika and Lab deck, only cost 2 cards on main deck but 3 card's on extradeck. But we're talking about a deck that doesn't use extradeck often.

[@AsuraKish8n665]

I've OTK a lot of meta deck with cyberdark

[@atilano7198]

Cyberdarkness dragon and cyberdark end dragon pairs really good with a bamboo sword engine with maybe a playset of armory call or what the trap version of hidden armory was. Cyberdarkness dragon can recycle the cursed bbs after it uses its omni negate and Cyberdark end dragon can attack like 2 or 3 times turn 2. Then on top of all that to make it more consistent you can use the newest retrain of fusion deployment to cheat out cyber end dragon and use the cyber dark combo to dump Cyberdark dragon. Then you can power bond and overload fusion so you can have 2 Cyberdark end dragons either turn 1 or 2. Of course that's if you top deck it with the combo pieces of the cyberdarks, but boy it's really cool when you have two of them out

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

Wonder how they could further support this archetype, while making Cyberdark Edge/Horn/Keel further more playable? - A Fusion spell with a "Gunkan suship shari red" like effect that lets it be treated as a "power bond" while in the deck (so it can be searched with chimera's effect), that gives you a bonus effect if you used edge, horn or keel for the fusion summon of a monster? - A "Cyberdark" handtrap dragon monster you can discard from hand to do something (i don't know, that, as a quick effect, for the rest of this turn, all monsters on both GY are treated as dragon type?) and that you can banish to set "rebirth judgement" from Deck or GY to the field (and it can be activated this turn)? that way, you can use it alongside cyberdark realm to equip stuff from the opponent's GY. - A "Cyberdark" Spell/Trap with an okay ish enough effect that you don't mind discarding for chimera's effect that lets you set any "cyberdark" or "cyber" spell/trap from deck or GY to field? and has a good "banish this card" effect?

[@grantharrell5434]

I tried making a cyberdark dragon deck when it first came out with two copies of the original bricks. Found them clunky and unreliable. More often than not, I would draw say two cyberdark piece, a level 5-8 dragon and 2-3 spells and be forced to set them to avoid damage or hope to draw a masked dragon to get it to work. If they had only been dragon type, they would still have been clucky but somewhat playable. Ended up scrapping the cyberdark cards and converted it into an elemental dragon deck that now uses dragon rulers to much better success.

[@ArmyofThalia]

*Hyped person pointing off in the distance.* Exosister mentioned!

[@user-xv8lm8lt8j]

The last archetype I played before walking away. Loved the video even if the deck is dogwater

[@digitaladventurer2142]

Yeah even this early in the game heavy reliance on back row was a losing strategy. They might have been able to salvage this archetype if they had made a few tweeks. 1. Give the 3 main monsters their anime abilities of equipping level 4 or below 2. Give the boss the ability to equip any monster with "Dragon" in its original name regardless of type 3. Add some cards to either protect or replace equipped monsters if they are destroyed by card effects

[@Chris-xl3jx]

The problem I see with Cyberdark is that you need to run too many monsters to reliably have a spell/trap you can discard for chimera. Putting in a four card set of chimera, two power bond, and cyberdark realm gives Core an extra option, but it doesn’t really increase the amount of cards you want to play right at the start. Using the 7-card set of chimera, two power bond, cyberdark realm, cybernetic horizon, and two cyberdark claw is what can give a traditional cydra deck a significant consistency boost and makes OTK’s more frequent.

[@michaeltran4275]

CyberDarks Edge, Horn, Keel and Dragon should honestly get the modern quality of life flexible retrains combined with the better effects+mechanics’ rules’ resources in order to shine well in the world of the Yu-Gi-Oh competitive META era realms and beyond

[@kijukitten]

I love how Konomi forgot that Cyber Ogers were a thing according to GX

[@rlarkinsjr17]

In my opinion if the cyber darks can contact fuse or have the banish to summon like abc monsters they would be way better

[@saynotololi]

Didn’t you post this last night? Definitely watched it. Looks like I’ll watch it again.

[@A_Person652]

There were some mistakes in the last upload, the one I remember was that he said the cyberdarks gain half the attack of the equip monster when they gain all the attack

[@Yuusai]

As a Cyber dragon player, I don't like Cydras turning to the dark side....

[@milkdudder]

Trying to make any archetype an otk deck is what Konami does with every modern Yu-Gi-Oh deck. It's not unique to the failures.

[@vampireguy92ryan81]

If they got retrains that could ss themselves and still get something out of the GY while making it easier to get the big guy, then the deck might be better

[@trevorrose3769]

Something worth noting about Cyberdark Inferno is that its search effect doesn’t work with all fusion spells. So you cannot grab a card like Power Bond or Cyberdark Impact! using this effect.

[@thatman666]

Vechicroids need their own video.

[@nmr7203]

Does anyone remember when on the wiki, they tried to suggest the idea of mixing these guys with Dragunities?

[@Gabriel45206]

Oh boy, this cuts my heart. Too much pain watching it =/

[@mizuriblues903]

For you everything that it's not a explotable engine or "balanced" cards that wants to negate everything even before the duel begin it's a failed mechanic

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

This "failed archetypes" series only concerns meta gameplay, so literally almost 70% of the archetypes currently in the game is candidate to be in this series.

[@samuelcastillo5246]

I tried for years to make this deck work with a half Dragunity pseudo-engine But i just never found a way to make it work, so I just gave up

[@brandonmarquez7336]

Beautiful video 😍!! Please do cloudians next 🥹

[@AxelWedstar411]

What's the lore behind Cannon and Claw anyway? Are they cyborgs with dragon DNA? Meh, it's still a fun deck to mess around with. Especially if you can get Cyberdark End Dragon out.

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

“I think it would have helped if they were union monsters if their gimmick is equipping themselves, or making other monsters equipped to them be treated as Union monsters. At least THEN they would have had Union monster support (which can be pretty powerful in the modern era with certain cards).” “How about a “failed concepts” video series that goes into game rules and strategies and tactics that fizzled out in the long run?” “0:56 Ideas to retrain each component:” _Cyberdark Mind_ (DARK) ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Machine/Effect _While in your hand or deck, on the field, or in the GY, This card’s name is also treated as “Cyberdark Horn”. If this card is summoned: Target 1 Level 3 or lower Dragon, Machine or Wyrm monster in your GY; equip that Target to this card. Gains ATK/DEF equal to the original ATK/DEF of the monster equipped to it by this effect. If a “Cyberdark” monster you control attacks a Defense Position monster, inflict piercing battle damage. If this card would be destroyed by battle, destroy that equipped monster, instead. If this face-up card you control is banished or sent to the GY: Normal summon 1 Level 4 or lower “Cyberdark” monster from your hand or deck._ ATK/800 DEF/800 _Cyberdark Body_ (DARK) ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Machine/Effect _While in your hand or deck, on the field, or in the GY, This card’s name is also treated as “Cyberdark Keel”. If this card is summoned: Target 1 Level 3 or lower Dragon, Machine or Wyrm monster in your GY; equip that Target to this card. Gains ATK/DEF equal to the original ATK/DEF of the monster equipped to it by this effect. If a “Cyberdark” monster you control destroys an opponent's monster by battle or card effect: Inflict 300 damage to your opponent, gain 300 LP, and increase the ATK/DEF of all “Cyberdark” monsters you control by 300. If this card would be destroyed by battle, destroy that equipped monster, instead. If this face-up card you control is banished or sent to the GY: Normal summon 1 Level 4 or lower “Cyberdark” monster from your hand or deck._ ATK/800 DEF/800 _Cyberdark Soul_ (DARK) ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Machine/Effect _While in your hand or deck, on the field, or in the GY, This card’s name is also treated as “Cyberdark Edge”. If this card is summoned: Target 1 Level 3 or lower Dragon, Machine or Wyrm monster in your GY; equip that Target to this card. Gains ATK/DEF equal to the original ATK/DEF of the monster equipped to it by this effect. “Cyberdark” monsters you control can attack directly. If they do using this effect, their ATK is halved during damage calculation only. If this card would be destroyed by battle, destroy that equipped monster, instead. If this face-up card you control is banished or sent to the GY: Normal summon 1 Level 4 or lower “Cyberdark” monster from your hand or deck._ ATK/800 DEF/800 “And one for “Cyberdark Dragon”” _Cyberdark Dragoon_ (DARK) ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Machine/Fusion/Effect "Cyberdark Horn" + "Cyberdark Edge" + "Cyberdark Keel" _While in your extra deck, face-up on the field, in the GY or Banished, this card’s name is also treated as “Cyberdark Dragon”. Must be Fusion Summoned. If this card is Special Summoned: Target 1 Dragon, Machine or Wyrm monster in your GY; equip that target to this card. Gains ATK/DEF equal to the total original ATK/DEF of the monster equipped to it by this effect. “Cyberdark” monsters you control Gain 300 ATK/DEF for each card in your GY. If a “Cyberdark” card possess destroys an opponent’s card by battle or card effect, your opponent takes 300 damage, and you gain 300 LP. If a “Cyberdark” monster you control attacks a Defense Position monster, inflict piercing battle damage.“Cyberdark” monsters you control can attack directly. If they do using this effect, their ATK is halved during damage calculation only. If this card would be destroyed, destroy that equipped monster instead._ ATK/1000 DEF/1000 *_(THERE, Just gonna copy and paste my comments from the old video in case it diss-a-POOFS:)_* 💨

[@taninsuwannatri8411]

There are some mistake on your custom “Cyberdark” cards 1.Their 1st effect that treat themselves as orignal have too much words, you should write as (This card is always treated as “….”). 2.Since Cyberdark and Cyber Dragon don’t have any synergies with Wyrm monsters, So your cards doesn’t work well with Cyberdark Chimera because after you search “Power Bond” by Cyberdark Chimera’s 1st effect you can only use Machine or Dragon “Cyber” monsters as Fusion Material. 3. For Cyberdark Dragoon,it should have ” Millennium-Eyes Restrict” like effects and it should have more stats for example ATK/3000 DEF/3000.

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

@@taninsuwannatri8411 Well there are reasons for each: ⚪️If I said “This card is always treated as -.”, then you run into the “Rule of Three” issue. Doing the effect as I did (because if explicitly DOES NOT count the cards as such while banished) means that I can run both the original and retrains of each Cyberdragon in one deck (which is better for the retrain’s floating effects.) ⚪️The Wyrm part was simply because Wyrms exist to make sure the Dragon type doesn’t get overbloated. You look at cards like, for instance, the True Dracos/Kings and they’d VERY clearly be Dragon monsters if Wyrm didn’t exist. I was also considering making Cyberse types work too, since you literally can’t spell “Cyberse” without “Cyber”. ⚪️And as for The Fusion monster’s retrain… I was, like with the retrained components, trying to enhance the original cards while giving them new applications. To that end, the component retrains are basically force multipliers for ALL Cyberdarks you control, and Dragoon already combine those qualities into 1 card. Plus the ATK/DEF gain is based off the equipped monster’s TOTAL Original ATK/DEF, so the relatively low original stats of Dragoon hardly matter if you, say, attach something as big as a Five-Headed Dragon from your GY to it for a whopping 10,000 ATK/DEF each… On a monster that gives itself piercing battle damage AND a free half damage direct attack (“half damage” here would still mean a direct attack of 5500 ATK). The power’s already plenty there, but you need to jump up for it first.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

So basically if Konami reprints the three original CyberDark monsters to be more cohesive with its modern day support cards then it would have a much better time standing on it's own in the present day... Maybe?

[@thatdrummeroz654]

It worked with Armed Dragons.

[@gudakoalter]

time to retrain horn, edge and keel

[@AaronHeininger]

Nah Konami wasn't trying to make Cyberdarks good only decent enough that you'd buy their crappy support if you're a fan of the character zane. I mean just look at Jaden and aster their original heros cards aren't needed to run their new support. Only neos is needed and the spacians. Aster the only destiny hero cards that named a specific monster in his support is only two cards clock tower for dread master and and d force for plasma. Point is Konami doesn't have to make Cyber Dark support doesn't have to be tied to the old cards. They just do it to do it for no other reason.

[@D0ct0rD0ng]

Even though Cyberdarks are awful, I pretty much exclusively used a Cyberdark deck in Duel Links for years back when the game was much slower paced then it was now and people had no idea what to expect. I earned many King Of Games with them in my years and it was a nice time overall. Unfortunately the pace of DL is now so fast that they cannot compete, but it was a nice time using all the techs and tricks that people weren't expecting from a deck as awful as Cyberdarks.

[@deaconpeck881]

So the one thing really, Konami could have done for the Cyberdark engine; give the Edge, Keel, and Horn PROPER retrains that count as the OG cards in text. With effects that actually help their archetype. Make it work off of the support they were given over years and I could maybe see it being viable as a rogue setup.

[@kennethwalsh247]

I have a friend who I play with that I tend to beat mainly through deck construction. I'll even use CD's. I would burn through so many cards to reach the bpss. It would always impress my friend. But it would make me sad cuz he would then try the same deck and I would just crush his spirit.

[@kroffen7]

Time to watch him shit on one of my favorite bad decks again today!

[@TwinklingEmissary]

Cyberdark End Dragon is supposed to be your baby. You summon it on your first turn. The point of the deck is to ALWAYS fuse your dragons and machines into one asap otherwise theyre significantly weakened.

[@XmortoxX1990]

Konami after watching this video: Announcing Cyberdark Stratos and Cyberdark Circular, also a Cyberdark Link 2 with busted effects and generic materials

[@papita69xxx]

I can imagine that. Also everyone and their mother using those cards on better archetypes and pure Cyberdarks still being rogue at best.

[@baxterbruce9827]

Don't forget a new fusion spell that can use materials from Either Eeck, Either GY and Either Banishment by shuffling them back into your Deck

[@StefSubZero270]

@@baxterbruce9827 I mean if that branded-shit can have it, why not Cydras? Cydra is literally the king of fusions, theres hardly some other archetype who is more iconic when it comes to fusion summoning. Cydra deserves all the busted cards that Brain-ded despia decks have

[@baxterbruce9827]

@@StefSubZero270 On the one hand, I would rather Fusions as a whole throttle down a bit in general, at this point it feels like Konami GENUINELY cannot be trusted with the mechanic, we need to take it away from them On the other, I think it's cool when archetypes get legacy support, but would rather Konami genuinely makes the effort to make it good instead of fiddle farting around adding random support for a decade and a half, than trying to dance around fundamental issues. Make it good, or leave it alone Konami, it's WAY cooler when you do that

[@osvilagiszafari]

I'm very sorry that Chimera had to be limited so much, taking away the possibility of contact fusion from the deck if you want to get hold of a power bond, it would be much better if the limiting effect only worked as a rest of this instead of a full turn And Cyberdark end dragon only can attack twice or more if he have two or more equip spell

[@TaLeng2023]

What if, they just errata Cyberdank Impact to be able t summon any Cyberdark fusion by returning the materials to the deck?

[@jjfrenzy789]

As someone with a Cyber Dragon/CyberDark deck I can say it’s actually pretty good.

[@scolapastajoeilpittore2974]

What do you think about a Cyberdark-toon deck? A mix of cyber dark/dragon with the little toon engine for drawing-spellcounting with Blue Eyes toon, so you got the chunky dragon for effect and discarica folder. It would be a gimmick deck, maybe even fun It will be funny

[@alex_spartan1805]

Though the Cyberdarks might have been a failed archetype, their structure deck is one of the most sought after decks to buy; Infinite Impermanence! I think only the Branded structure was more sought after.

[@GreenKaizer]

it got little support. it needed the cyber dragon archtype to be relevant or see play.

[@Dunbeezytv]

Trying to play Cyber Darks taught me how to play Yugioh

[@tommike3940]

Duel Logs made a video on Cyberdark, incoming meta support from Konami

[@DavidS-gx1ok]

Give them link 1 That further support the game and can fusion summon and interrupt

[@grammysworld5449]

I loved using these guys with my Orcusts

[@BetrayedCow]

mfw the comments stayed loaded from this video when I had moved onto a new video, if you saw anything, no you didn't. Neat vid DuelLogs!

[@drakofox1362]

Hey Duel Logs thanks for doing this video you know what this means. NEW BUSTED CYBERDARK CARDS!!!!!! lol i bet it will happen

[@lllLockonXstratoslll]

please do a video about cards that can send cards from extra deck to the graveyard

[@unow3nskilla280]

“Nearly put his brother in a body bag and many other reasons why he’s lovable.” Funny af

[@UncrownedKing17]

Why did it get reuploaded?

[@A_Person652]

A mistake about the attack gain of the cyberdarks. They don’t gain half, they get all the attack

[@VaderTheWhite]

I can't help but be grumpy here as my primary deck is Cyberdark.

[@asharpiesniffer7553]

it's way better now, but still not good. once clockwork Knight releases it'll be a little more consistent

[@mattbaltimore7195]

We still don't have Cyberdark Dragonroid though........

[@absoul112]

was it necessary to re-upload just for the "Cyberdarks gain half the attack of the equipped monster" mistake?

[@ZarkionUltimate]

It's sad even though it can end on 5 omni negates turn 1 it's fragility and lack of follow up still makes too unreliable I still love this deck tho and always will

[@AnotherWindaSimp]

As a cyber dragon player,yes,cyberdarks help you with foolish buraling your machines for power bond, yet that's pretty much it. The strategy dies to a single negate,which I hate

[@TaLeng2023]

Love this archetype in the GBA. Unfortunately they are so bad, can't even make them work in Duel Links except during GX Legacy Duels, where some of their cards are limited.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

It is pretty easy to get Cyberdark End Dragon out these days. The problem is that it's arguably the only thing the deck can do if you run it as a pure Cyberdark deck.

[@Citizen_Nappa23]

The weakness of the fusion though it only protects from destruction. So it can be bounced,banished, or tributed or have it's effects negated altogether. Too much investment for too little payoff.

[@baronhdl5861]

Babe wake up, duel logs posted another failed archetype video