Goose Goose Duck Low Tier Fixes (March 2022)

[@YaM8Kraken]

I also have an idea for another neutral role and that's THE PENGUIN. Like a role that is similar to the pelican, but can freeze other players and if those players remain frozen before a meeting or "avian carcass" report, they will die. When frozen, you cannot be killed by anyone, but you will automatically break out of the ice after a decent period of time.

[@aureicaurea2230]

Great ideas! I decided to make my own suggestions for these roles: Bodyguard - While you have a good point about the Bodyguard being particularly useless if their target dies, the Bodyguard starts off knowing a goose. Giving the Bodyguard multiple targets would be extremely overpowered, since they would keep knowing new good geese. The Bodyguard should protect their target if an assassin shoots them, so I do agree on your latter point. The Bodyguard should get extra earnings from how many tasks their target completes before they die, just like the Gravy. This way, the Bodyguard will prioritize protecting the player so they can get extra earnings. Hitman - Hitman shouldn’t be buffed. Birdwatcher - I agree with this change. There should be nothing additional added. Locksmith - This suggestion would be too overpowered and way too easy to confirm that the person is locksmith. Instead, each meeting, they can send someone to jail, like how the assassin chooses someone to shoot. Mortician - The Mortician should not have an indicator to find bodies. Instead, the Mortician can find out the role of the victim they report. This gives Mortician a much needed buff rather than being an overpowered medium, and the Mortician can work against professional kills now! Unfortunately, this means the Mortician can’t search bodies that can’t be reported. The Demolitionist duck will now be the Mortician’s worst enemy instead of the Professional. Snoop - I prefer to not let the Snoop be a copy of Mechanic, so instead, the Snoop can see if someone is currently inside a hiding place. This gives the Snoop a lot more purpose than just ‘hide in a closet’ and the Snoop can walk around to see if someone evil is hiding, like a duck or pigeon. This is especially helpful against the pigeon, who wants to (and usually hides) hide until the endgame. Medium - I agree, but only kept to the previous round so that the Medium will have to quickly search the claim themselves. Politician - I am not a fan of this, since it is from an Among Us mod. Instead, the Politician can call a meeting remotely, instead of having to go to the meeting button. This connects back to being a Politician instead of the current ability and the suggested ability. The Politician can help catch a killer or Vulture off guard with their ability. Lovers - I heavily disagree. This goes against the lore, as well as having a lot of overpowered combinations that make the game unfair (such as sheriff and vig lovers). To buff the lovers, you should know who your lover is at the start of the game, as well as always knowing their general location on the map. Also, if a player reports the lover that wasn’t killed, it will instead show that they reported the death of the killed lover.

[@CyberGeminiOfficial]

Oh wow! Where were you when I was having these discussions on buffs? You bring up some amazing points! Bodyguard- Yes, in hindsight I do see that would be pretty overpowered since they would be able to confirm multiple geese. So your money buff idea sounds much more probable. I’m glad you like our taking the assassin shot idea though. Birdwatcher- after speaking with a couple of the developers, I have learned that seeing in the dark is something that only want ducks to have- which I completely respect and understand. Locksmith- after I made this video, someone pointed out that it should only be able to unlock 1 door throughout the entire game similar to how vigilante can only kill once. So I really wish we had said that instead of what we said in the video. I feel your suggestion makes it too much like the Snitch. Mortician- The biggest problem we feel with this role is that it can never FIND bodies to autopsy before they get reported or eaten. Professional is indeed a problem for it, but so are Vulture and Demolition. All we are hoping is for some way for this role to find bodies more easily- any way that can be accomplished is welcome. Snoop- I love this suggestion! Medium- Your suggestion sounds fair. It was just an idea we came up with at the end, so it definitely could use some tweaking. Politician- Yes, I hated our original idea too (hence why it’s one of the last ones in the video). We even admit in the beginning that we couldn’t do anything to this role without heavily altering it. Lovers- That’s fair. I didn’t know about the Lore when we made this. I really like your suggestions though. That would help the role a lot! I noticed you didn’t critique our suggestion on detective. I am now curious what you have to say about that one, if you don’t mind. :) Thank you so much for taking the time to address all these topics!

[@aureicaurea2230]

​@@CyberGeminiOfficial Whoops! I forgot to also put detective. But I agreed with the suggestion that was in the video. Edit: After reading your comment, I've decided to suggest something different towards Birdwatcher and Mortician. I am okay with Locksmith just being a good version of the Snitch, since the jail is rarely used due to its weird requirement. Having a good goose and a bad duck stuck in a jail together is sure to cause an acid trip... Birdwatcher: The Birdwatcher can now also see where a killer went after a body dropped, but only for the first five seconds of movement. Mortician: The Mortician uses its ability during a meeting, which will reveal the role of a dead player of their choice. They can do this once per meeting, and 1-3 times per game (depending on balancing). This avoids the whole problem with finding a body, and the Mortician can actually do something now. I wanted to give Birdwatcher some other addition towards the sabotages, but I have that planned for a role suggestion.

[@Quinty_Dragons]

Pelican - Instead of killing, the player can swallow players whole. The duck needs to kill the pelican, the pelican needs to survive or swallow the others, and the geese need to complete their tasks or kill the pelican if you can and other neutrals will complete their objectives.

[@herbertchan7720]

We have a different perspective on bodyguard and hitman, and I think bodyguard is one of the strongest geese and hitman is one of the worst. If you absorb a kill, and your VIP reports your body, you effectively become a canadian, and rewarding you with multiple chances if you fail doesn't really make sense to me. We've been pretty explicit about keeping lights sabotage untouched by the other teams, so ducks of varying skill levels will have an outlet. however, in the upcoming jungle temple map, we will test the vision of the birdwatcher and allow them to see in the dark if their ability is activated.

[@CyberGeminiOfficial]

Thank you for the feedback! In regards to bodyguard- a lot of times I have seen the killers murder the target despite bodyguard being right on top of the target. The reason for this of course is differences in ping resulting in some geese/ducks not being in exact locations on someone else’s screen as they appear on yours. I understand this would be really hard to fix since you can’t really account for peoples differing Internet speeds, but many of the people I surveyed agreed that bodyguard needed some kind of upgrade to prevent that ping issue from reoccurring. Many also noted that it is the only role (besides lovers) that is 100% dependent on another player and they disconnect or die before you find them you are essentially playing as a regular goose for the rest of the game. As for Birdwatcher, I have seen many youtubers and twitch streamers say that it should see in the dark, but I completely understand you all keeping vision in the dark exclusive to ducks. I have recently seen footage of the new temple map and I am very curious to see how birdwatcher ends up working with the dark walkways on that map. Again, Thank you for taking the time to check out our video!

[@YaM8Kraken]

@@CyberGeminiOfficial especially in public lobbies where people have terrible internet connection.

[@ARandomPersonFromTheNet]

I like the idea of the bodyguard buff, however i do see that the body guard getting a new vip to protect could clear too many geese, however, in my opinion, clearing too many geese would only be a problem if the hitman or other killing roles constantly kill the new vips, so that problem would be very niche

[@averagemicrosoftpaintenjoy7115]

As a ToS fan, seeing some keys and a top hat in the bottom tier boggles my mind

[@12times21]

For the snoop I would say they could have a portal mechanic that lets them travel between two objects but they have to place both before they can use it. Like one in a toilet and another in a pile of leaves so they can travel between the two but if they want to change it they have to move the portals

[@MrBeastboybrown]

1:28 - Thatd make it pretty apparent who the Hit-Man is tho wouldnt you say? Id suggest Bodyguard closer to a Weak-Sherriff. Where they can try to shoot 1 person and if they are wrong they only kill themselves. And let Hitmen get the bonus per kill as a better version of the Serial Killer (Which I think kinda sucks tbh). 2:04 Bird Watcher got better luckily (So skip) 3:37 Locksmith is trash. Yes opening locked doors would be cool. 4:23 another alternate idea would be to make arrows appear a minute after the body is dead. Or something not mentioned. Able to see Professional Bodies. Nothing is worse then a Mortician that cant see or check bodies. But auto reports. Mortician can be very useful if theyre lucky. But with Vulture, Bomber, Professional, Canadian and more. Youre really hoping for a miracle. 5:33 Detective use to be a LOT better. Getting out 1 killer if youre good. Now its kinda crappy but still semi useful. 5:59 I think thatd make it too OP then. Getting 1 possibility per round from last round might make it a bit much. If I had to change it. Id make it closer to Mortician but instead of seeing who the dead is. Itd light up or across the killer and others base on row (Up then across.) So like a Detective youd have to find more then 1 dead to help the case. And if you rely on that too much you can accuse the wrong people but if you do a good job with it itll help find the killers. Tho I dont think theyd go for that cause I think thatd be a rough code. 6:50 Snoop was made better (So Skip) 8:26 Thatd be neat :3 I like that idea tbh. Mediums feel really crappy. Tho Id like to add 1 more. Id like for them to see how many people are Living Dead or Quit/Disconnected. I remember well numbers kept changing cause of quitters and thatd make the Medium from bad to worse. 9:10 While I liked the Mayor from Among Us. They mentioned many many times how they hated that and even made the Preacher to show there distain for that. I think Politician if voted out they win with whoever wins. Theyd be like a Dodo who doesnt interrupt the game whod still win with Geese if they dont use there role. 9:39 Now thatd be too OP. The Politician shouldnt be able to reveal themselves. Cause that shows instantly theyre good. 10:53 Thats not a bad idea. I personally think Lover should win with 2 people left instead of 1. And thatd make me much happier.

[@MrBeastboybrown]

Also you should do a updated list. There is more roles (I think like over 12 new ones XD). Lots of Ducks tbh, A few New Neutrals, They removed some roles to shove them together.

[@CyberGeminiOfficial]

That is on my list of things to potentially do next year. This year I’ve been doing a FromSoftware’s game challenge and I wont be done until the end of this year.

[@craigmoore7821]

I think that the politician should have two votes every meeting and can't be sent to jail. This wouldn't do much but it would give the role a little more power which it definitely needs. For mortician, I think that they should get alerted immediately when someone does, but they don't get the celebrity notification if it's celebrity. Also, after a short duration, maybe 15 or 30 seconds, they get alerted to where the body is. Also, when they activate their ability on the body, it instantly gives them the result.

[@CyberGeminiOfficial]

I like your suggestions. I haven’t played the game in months, so I have no idea what has changed since I made this video. Hopefully there are some improvements made to these weaker roles at some point. Haha

[@YaM8Kraken]

I actually kind of disagree with the detective one because I feel like it still is kind of worthless to be scanning people to see if they killed in previous rounds due to the odds of someone killing others being close to none, especially since you need to get close to people who have chances of being killer or just some other neutral like a pelican or even the falcon. In response, I feel like the detective should work like the assasin where you can scan people only during meetings to expose their number of kills they made before both the current and previous meeting. If the kill count of the person you scanned is shown as 0, you get fired from being a detective as a result, kind of similar to the penalty you get for killing the wrong player as the sheriff...but you only loose the ability to scan, in a sense that "YOU DON'T DESERVE THAT MAGNIFYING GLASS CUZ YOU CAN'T DETECT CRAP!".

[@Gamer-te2hr]

I am mad that an among us mod has out did the birth giver of random roles. In Town of Salem the mayor can reveal themselves as mayor for more votes at I think more Town of Salem inspiration can be used.