Femur vs. Tibia - which is better for Limb Lengthening surgery

[@gj9157]

Just had my Femurs done a week ago, and man is it hard to move around. I feel like i paid 45k to be 90 years old.

[@PS10403]

where did you do the surgery?

[@gj9157]

@@PS10403 Athens Greece

[@JD-co4nq]

Giotikas?

[@tarassharvan6670]

I want to ask you a few questions, do u instagram or whatsapp or any social media

[@gj9157]

@@JD-co4nq Yes sir

[@stfleurvionaldo1713]

if i had money for that for sure i would do it, unfortunately i ain't got money , but one time i will , I'm working for that

[@garygrissom1031]

That's crazy 😧

[@KookinHaole]

They may have medical loans, monthly payments. worth it to be treated like an actual human by others.

[@bigzachful]

@@KookinHaole Do you know of any organizations or places that do medical loans? Where we can look into it

[@KookinHaole]

@@bigzachful typically the private practice you’re going to can do the loan paperwork with you. Everytime I’ve had some private work done, they jump to ask if I’d like a loan to help pay for it. I just pay it outright, however this surgery is expensive… so I would email the physician’s office, ask them for installment plans. They understand.

[@jhaybalagasay2333]

We only live once why not do what you really want.

[@elishaolufemi4763]

Please, make a Video about Humerus Lengthening. 🙏🏽

[@ameerr.7614]

What is humerus lenghthning

[@Alvin_Vivian]

The proportions issue is just overblown. Even among regular people, there's a HUGE spectrum of proportions. Not everyone is the Vitruvian man in the general population. Far form it.

[@Cyborg4Life]

True. I'm just stating what patients have told me

[@rudysmith1552]

@@Cyborg4Life you need to look at the standard deviations between length of the torso, arms and legs

[@sinistarz0253]

A long it doesn’t look weird in the mirror it’s fine. You will be using pants most of the time. That’s why before the surgery they take measurements

[@RichRotella]

More Potential Height Gain + Only Breaking 2 Bones + Less Expensive = WIN

[@matyasalmasy7301]

Do you think gain 3cm on the Tibia and 4 for the Femur is a good option ? because I have the money and Aesthetic result is important for me. And does it gives complications ?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Yeah but you could probably go as high as 6cm on femurs and 4cm on tibia if no issues arose while you lengthened, you'd get more length and have great proportions overall too

[@matyasalmasy7301]

@@Cyborg4Life I will be disproportionate with the upper body

[@BitcoinMaxi_Hat]

@Cyborg4Life hi Vic, do you have any recommendations for places in CA to get the precice 2 method done? Also, what are your thoughts on getting the procedure done in Turkey?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Hey I think we chatted via email no? Feel free to ask

[@BitcoinMaxi_Hat]

@@Cyborg4Life yes sir! I am all good! Love the channel and watch your videos daily to catch up! Lots to learn!!

[@IgiveyouNONE]

You are right. Longer Tibias are way more aestethic than long femurs. Long femurs it looks so off and awkward.

[@gj9157]

Can't gain as much though.

[@modrribaz1691]

Unless your femurs are already short.

[@sergiomacias5145]

I have short tibias so lengthening the femur will make my tibias look even shorter 😂

[@modrribaz1691]

@@sergiomacias5145 My tibias are long af. I'm already shaped like Shrek, kek. Edit: I'm not kidding, from my lateral malleolus (distal end of the fibula) to below lateral epicondyle of my femur leveling right below my patella is longer than from my patella to the inferior border of my iliac crest which is above my acetabulum. also my right femur is shorter than my left femur (Probably a discrepancy from childhood riddled with serious infections)

[@sergiomacias5145]

@@modrribaz1691 better than having short Tibias. Longer tibias make you look taller especially when wearing shorts

[@MrRobertomendola]

What do you think 9-10cm would look like on femurs? Would it look very disproportionate to your tibias ?

[@mkovis8587]

at the very least it will result in a quite unaesthetic squat form

[@MrRobertomendola]

@@mkovis8587 Thanks for your comment. I went with quadiatural 👍 I want to stay proportional in my ratio

[@somethingwillhappen5377]

@@MrRobertomendolaHave u already done quadrilateral?

[@Takeactionnn]

Hey man, do you know if there is any decent clinics in the UK? I spoke to the surgeon who you interviewed a few years ago but he doesn't do the surgery anymore due to an issue with the nail corroding or something...? Any help much appreciated!

[@Cyborg4Life]

Yeah they'll be back when the weight bearing nail comes back to market

[@PS10403]

hey Rob in your opinion would you get LL done by Dr. Becker with the Betzbone or by Dr.Kohne? I kinda dont trust Becker and the whole Betz Institute, what do you think?

[@Cyborg4Life]

I usually don't post publicly about surgeons. I think you do need to feel comfortable with your choice wholeheartedly prior to booking surgery

[@gtomtom3058]

Hey Victor, I’m planning to do tibia lengthening to correct my bow legs as well, but recently I read a study (“The Association of Tibia Femur Ratio and Degenerative Disease of the Spine, Hips, and Knees”) pointing the higher risks of knee arthrisis if the tibia / femur ratio is too high (average : 0.80). As my tibia / femur ratio is already slightly above the average (0.81), I’m a bit worried about those potential risks if I decide to lengthen my tibias. What do you think ? Have you ever heard about such risks ?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Nice find. I do think that the ratio is an interesting but I don't know how much it would affect a real patient unless they're involved in high level sports and lifting due to biomechanical stressors on the joint. Basically I think it would be an overall improvement after your bowlegged correction regardless

[@manisx7490]

@gtomtom3058 i have exactly the same case with you, but i didn't mesure yet the ratio how can i do it ?

[@ertugrulbae46]

Tibia is 20% shorter.. But got athletes like Usain Bolt. His is actually over 12% longer than the femur...hence his speed. Can't see him complaining. Perhaps it would be a different story if he hit 50 or 60 years old..only time would tell

[@MarcusStaAnaBurSelF]

Hey Victor! Where did you have your limb lengthening procedure done? Who is the doctor that you had in the procedure? If that hospital has a link/social media/website, can you please share? It would be truly helpful. I love your videos, and I also want to have limb lengthening surgery done too.❤.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Hi yeah sure here's a site for her www.conway.thec4llective.com/

[@a4aviator294]

Are there chances of only getting 1-2 inches with LL of the Femur and not the full 3? That's my fear. Not going to pay 80k+ unless I get the full length,.

[@Cyborg4Life]

There's always that chance yes

[@samuelnoha490]

​@@Cyborg4Life Hello brother I'm 170cm I want to gain 13cm how much on which bone you will suggest? Thanks!

[@skekcucndk135]

How about extending both areas at the same time, or extending them twice (the femur after tibia, the tibia after tibia)?? About 1.5 inches each

[@lallimircci]

There should be about a year gap between the two.

[@sadikadhaan4595]

Not 1 year. 1 month space

[@victor.marquesf]

What’s the normal difference in length between femur and tibias. A femur naturally 6 cm longer than tíbia is normal?

[@Gil-galad22]

It depends if your tibia is 40cm then 46 is not enough for femur it should be 50 for perfect ratio (0.8/1).

[@Mara-ue4qb]

Because of how I'm used to my appearance, I'm not sure how much I should lengthen my femur. The tibia is 39.5 and the femur is 40.5( there is a lot of thinking, I can't imagine what it will look like).

[@Cyborg4Life]

Focus on the pictures and not so much the numbers

[@Inomic343]

@Cyborg4Life hey victor, im currently 19 yrs old and my height is at 169.5 cm, is there still time for me to grow a bit more and have the surgery done in my early 20s(23-25) or should i get my surgery done now? and is there a chance to grow 10 more cm with a femurs surgery?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Well it would be best to ensure you're done growing because if you are still growing it wouldn't make sense to get limb lengthening done. Also it's very risky to do 10 centimeters on the femurs alone.

[@hikodzu]

femur all the way!

[@kasimirb5155]

My choice would be tibia. There is only one muscle crossing the knee joint, which should make stretching easier. The lever for sports activities (squatting!) would improve. Having a longer tibia helps with sitting on chairs, public benches etc. because finally, you reach the floor! 😉 My only worry though is that there would be a huge bone gap directly beneath the skin. Isn't that area especially vulnerable then? Hitting your shin during that phase could mean tearing a hole into your lower leg, couldn't it? 😲

[@Cyborg4Life]

You mean while it's healing? The gap will fill in with bone

[@kasimirb5155]

@@Cyborg4Life Sure. Over weeks and months. If I understood the procedure correctly, first the limbs get stretched by a certain technique. If the desired length has been achieved, the bone gets time to heal (closing the 8 cm gap). During that time the patient is literally walking on sticks, isn't he? And those can be felt and seen through the thin layer of skin over the shins, I imagine. That's creepy.

[@sirslime1687]

@@kasimirb5155I know exactly what you mean 😂 that’s the scary part of this surgery.

[@user-ci4gh7td7n]

@@kasimirb5155 No, because you are lengthening 1mm per day. You usually adjust it I believe 4 times a day .25mm (which is nothing basically), then your body slowly builds more bone, so that by the next day, you've filled in that 1 mm with bone and are starting the process anew. By the end, you have to let it fully close and then really heal (it takes time for the bone to get denser and stronger). So you're not really 100% but you're not walking on sticks either lol

[@MilesMornissa]

Hey victor, Can I have both my femur and tibia lengthened at the same time?

[@Cyborg4Life]

A few weeks apart at least but preferably a few months to a year apart

[@pete7942]

I've seen some legitimately short guys that only get their femur lengthened and man does it look weird, plus the walking is off. So probably the proportions come into play more the shorter you are

[@ab1nash.]

Bro tell me the exact number, how much had u lengthened? U usually reply to some comments by saying almost 2 inches or 5cms; but exactly how many cms?

[@Cyborg4Life]

I've said 4cm tibia. On me that's like 6cm to a normal person due to my big tight calf muscles

[@10cmontibia66]

why are some surgeon videos gone?

[@Cyborg4Life]

What do you mean?

[@educationadda5498]

​@@Cyborg4Lifelike doctor Mangal parihar 's video is not on your channel

[@okletsgo9135]

Would lengthening the femur not add to your aesthetics at all?? Also, are you able to barbell squat after surgery? thank you

[@Cyborg4Life]

Barbell squats would be affected - more length more impact. But the aesthetics aren't noticeable that much with normal clothes and shorts that come to top of knee

[@okletsgo9135]

@@Cyborg4Life in the video you say aesthetics wise it’s better to get tibia lengthened. Wouldn’t lengthening your femurs also make you look better in that you were taller than you were before which is innately more aesthetically pleasing

[@Ben-mx1ip]

What are your thoughts on distraction osteogenesis of the clavicle? There are only a couple of studies on it. Dr Epply does clavicle lengthening but he moves it 15-20mm in the same surgery.

[@ryanm9565]

I think its probably a better option than the way epply does it

[@DBSAnimeStory]

Bro what you had been gone through femur or tibia?? 🤧

[@Cyborg4Life]

Tibia for me but it all depends on what the patient wants

[@DBSAnimeStory]

@@Cyborg4Life can you suggest my height 160cm can tibia 8 cm is good or weird look🤔?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Hard to say but have you spoken to surgeons?@@DBSAnimeStory

[@IlseHopper]

And to think my daughter was severely ridiculed for being too tall and always wanted to be shorter.

[@bigzachful]

For girls it’s the opposite. People usually want girls to be shorter. But people will use anything to be cruel and bully others.

[@1664-v7t]

Is doing Femur lengthening via LON at the LiveLifeTaller clinic safe?

[@sung72763]

yep

[@hazelgod3848]

If your going to get this surgery done, leave Islam.

[@greengrass4945]

Unless victor or someone with credibility says so, I’d keep researching.

[@BravoSix_6]

@@hazelgod3848 why leave Islam?

[@gj9157]

LON on femurs is hell from what I've heard.

[@rejiljithpr4830]

My age-21 Height-145cm 😥

[@Dailyfactzzs]

😂😂

[@Jamie_ikf23]

​@@Dailyfactzzsdon't laugh dude. Who knows what he might be going through..

[@Dailyfactzzs]

@@Jamie_ikf23 she*

[@parkertoa5151]

😂😂😂😭😭

[@melvinhogberg]

if i want to gain 3 inches, is it better to do both on only the femur or to split it for 1 inch in the tibia and 2 inches on the femur?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Hard to say since so many factors go into answering that

[@ravender730]

Why would you double the risk and the price? Just to femur

[@suryaprakashrao6035]

Hey bro. I got a tibia lengthening surgery. But 1 cm of the knee below was fracture and then grafted. Now it is again broken... More over tibia lengthening is processing a bit callus forming upper the ankle. But still the broken bone about the knee still not United. What makes it recover? Doctor said weight bearing with illizrov if not you required graft again! Give your best advice dear ORTHO masculine 👍

[@Cyborg4Life]

Sorry that happened. Yeah sounds like you need a deformity correction with an experienced surgeon

[@suryaprakashrao6035]

@@Cyborg4Life It's a wonder you predict I'm having knee deformity without diagnose my x-ray. Whole leg looks like completely bad knock knee. Does it change after removing illizrov and constuct damaged legaments.

[@irfansheikh3046]

Hey Victor....Hope you are doing great. I have read in a paper that there is a electronic nail prototype that lengthens about 1/10 of the bone cell length making it far more effective. Have you come across it and do you think it has potential....

[@dennisguilder1]

What is it called? Where did you read about it? Is it out yet or coming to America soon?

[@gj9157]

What's it called?

[@dennisguilder1]

Hey what’s the nail called

[@Cyborg4Life]

No I haven't heard of it

[@irfansheikh3046]

@@dennisguilder1 The Cosmetic Dream and Future of Lengthening Procedures Guichet, Jean-Marc

[@andresleon2293]

Can i get both of them done?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Yeah but have to spread them out a bit

[@KookinHaole]

@@Cyborg4Life would they at least do both sets of femur, or both sets of F/T at the same time at least?

[@AlexMartinez-vn8kh]

I had my femur shortened 6 months ago and the doctor rotated the whole thing around 30 degrees inward and did rehab and everything walking pigeon toed. only to do the same surgery to turn into back out 2 weeks ago. Also I did not get the full shortening I was promised of 1.5 cm for a leg length discrepancy of 1.9 between both the femur(1.3) and tibia(0.6) lengths together because when he put the rod there was about a 0.4 cm gap between the bones. This was done in kaiser so I thought the results would be pristine but I guess I was wrong. What could have resulted in a 4 mm leg length difference is now 8 or more mm difference. Might not sound like a lot but the closer to 0 the better plus the doctor not holding himself accountable for the mistake he did tried to brush it off when he rotated it inward saying it would straighten itself out during physical therapy but I had to keep on bringing it up because no joke that inward rotation on the femur affects mental health and physical well-being altogether.

[@Cyborg4Life]

New height although it's not a great calculation in general

[@faylilly6012]

Hey Alex how was your femur shortening are you able To walk and do things by your self drive?

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Femur for Femur Breaker memes 💀

[@ishansahasec-broll-1094]

can we do both bowed leg and limb lengthnig surgery if yes then can i get 20 cm tall by doing both

[@Cyborg4Life]

Depends if it's severe. Surgeon would know best

[@leotravel85]

What exactly happens with the fibula?

[@Cyborg4Life]

It is fixated to the tibia and lengthened also

[@kxni122]

can i do both like 4cm tibia and 4cm femur so it looks even ?

[@Cyborg4Life]

You could yeah

[@hachimazeri]

Why isn't possible to reopen the growth plates

[@Cyborg4Life]

I don't know probably because it's very hard to do

[@hachimazeri]

@@Cyborg4Life I think it's a good idea

[@mongolianlivegaming4fun892]

Can you grow taller injecting HGH to your body?

[@Cyborg4Life]

If you speak to an endocrinologist and your growth plates haven't closed you may be on to something

[@DaljitSingh-p6q]

Any chance if become handicapped?

[@Cyborg4Life]

If inexperienced surgeon performs it possibly

[@sinistarz0253]

It’s always better to do a research first before considering a risky surgery like this.

[@fortythreefan-2024antiNB4]

Tibia is a game

[@Cyborg4Life]

Yeah it's definitely tricky bone

[@fortythreefan-2024antiNB4]

​@@Cyborg4LifeBut I see a game has name like that

[@Lakesidejunkremoval]

6'3 up at 1am watching this video..

[@mrhm1488]

Im 18 years old, 175 cm (5 ft 9) and i am saving up at the moment for the surgery i want to get my Femur bones lengthened 3 inches making my height 183 cm (6 feet) i was wondering if i should wait till Im older to get the surgery like after i am 25 or a bit earlier than that (23) and if its even worth it due to having a 5,9 frame and if i should get less length?

[@Cyborg4Life]

That's a hard one. I mean it really depends what you want to do - There has been peopel who have and have not done it at that height. But you can wait till it's a good time or whenever you can take the time off. But also ability to select a very good surgeon

[@rkal5917]

Iam diabetic fron last 5 years and im 39 years ago. If being diabetic stops me to go for limb lengthening?

[@Cyborg4Life]

No I think a surgeon said before that as long as you have it under control you're good

[@garygrissom1031]

I don't get this at all and it has nothing to do with being 6'5 either lol 🤣

[@Cyborg4Life]

What's that? Who's 6'5"?

[@sandman3546]

Where did you go for your procedure?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Janet Conway - conway.thec4llective.com/

[@alb5632]

Seeing as how I'm 6ft 2 I'm grateful this is something I would never consider

[@Cyborg4Life]

you're lucky ; )

[@BravoSix_6]

Can you run like normal after recovery if you lengthen 16cm in total for tibia and femur?

[@Cyborg4Life]

I don't know I haven't interviewed anyone who did that much length as it can be very risky

[@sellkirk]

@@Cyborg4Life how many cm can the maximum lengthen the legs without risk?

[@ryanherbert69]

I don’t get this, why wouldn’t you just invest that money instead, most people I’ve seen get this done aren’t even short.

[@sinistarz0253]

I don’t know man. Most people I saw or watched in videos where they get this surgery are on average from 5’3 to 5’7 tall… which is short for western standards.

[@naxplifire1151]

Could you please try to interview to Dr. Christian Huamani from Arthromeds Clinic in Peru, he is offering the surgery in $18k USD, he developed his own device fixator patented as HMC.

[@Cyborg4Life]

Interesting. But I think he seems to be a shoulder and knee specialty ortho. I prefer to focus on lower limb specialists especially in LL and deformity recon

[@sinistarz0253]

Escuche de el en Arthomedics, estudio y se ejerció en el Loaiza si no me equivoco. Yo diría que no es una mala opción pero creo que en Turquía y Europa hay mejores opciones. En Grecia y Turquía es donde es más barato y de buena calidad en toda Europa. Escuchaste del Dr. Yukssel Yurttas? Si es así dame a saber si lo conoces o no

[@kiwi_caocao]

Thank you for still making videos, im 6 foot 18 years old however im still the shortest in my friend group, so i hope to one day do ll surgery and get to 6.5

[@edxander7169]

Yeah I'm also the shortest in the group at 7 foot I want to be 7'5 to be like the rest of my group 🤪🤪🤪

[@gj9157]

​@edxander7169 Same here, its really hard being tall. It's like.. my advantages aren't enough anymore :(

[@kiwi_caocao]

@edxander7169 very funny, but seriously i am the shortest one in my friend group and i look funny walking next to my best friend who is 6.7, also im not from the US so maybe that is why it is hard for you to imagine me being short at 6 foot

[@gj9157]

@@kiwi_caocao Oh man, same here! The new generation is easily 6'7 on average and probably around 6'2 for women these days! 6'0 is absolutely tiny now and isn't enough anymore! Today I'm frequently mogged by 13 year old boys who easily clear 6'2 now. In fact, I once got jumped by a squad of 12 year old gang members for simply existing as a poor 6'0 guy. It's very unfortunate out here. On tinder women call me little baby boy for being under 6'10. Not only that, my ex girlfriend cheated on me because I stopped wearing my little lifts whenever we went out together. She told me to "be myself". I guess being yourself isn't enough these days. It's 6'7 or go home and die in a pit.

[@ojanabigyan]

8 foot here but still short 😂😂😂

[@Mebenzo]

This is ridiculous

[@yesimbigwes]

Limb lengthening surgery is dumb. Don’t do it

[@gj9157]

Too late

[@yesimbigwes]

@vedatsakman7272 and that’s worth risking your body’s natural function? You’re putting yourself at risk for chronic conditions that will haunt you for the rest of your life. It’s a stupid surgery that everyone should avoid

[@hemera5491]

Do you regret it

[@yesimbigwes]

@@hemera5491 I never got the surgery and I never will

[@yesimbigwes]

@vedatsakman7272 oh damn only 1.5 years of excruciating recovery all for a few inches of height? There’s no way you can be this naive.

[@lamptrollbourandas3867]

Which one is even slightly less painful?

[@Cyborg4Life]

Varies from patient to patient hard to say

[@grocklingerferto6376]

It is said that the max lengthening is 15cm. But what if I lengthened both my femur and tibia by 12.5cm for a total of 25cm increased height. I’m 163cm and I want to be over 185cm. My legs are very muscular which makes me look shorter. Though I always feel like my legs are actually just plain short because when I stand on tip toe, it looks natural. When I don’t, it looks like I photoshopped my legs to be shorter and it looks kinda unnatural. 🤨 🦵 🦵

[@ab1nash.]

You most likely 'll gain 50℅ of ur pre LL conditions if you lengthen 25cm. This is only possible when u get extremely lucky.

[@IWantToStayAtYourHouse]

is it worth doing both? i only want to gain 8-10cm in height but want to do both femur and tibia. Can it be done simultaneously?

[@Cyborg4Life]

It can with a good surgeon yes

[@nuttyjunior]

​@@Cyborg4Lifedo you have a list of good surgeons

[@209rushil]

Can't I get both done?? 7 cm in tibia and 7 in femur??​@@Cyborg4Life