CYC Photon: First Look and Complete Installation Guide

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[@millipedic]

you need to raise your seat.

[@craigsj]

It's hard to take anyone seriously who doesn't have a clue how to fit onto a bike and puts himself on video to prove it. Doesn't matter though, that's what the throttle is for, right?

[@bigtoelittlefinger6133]

Hheehhee I think he has no seat

[@tunatony]

Yeah pretty obvious...money making content exceeding actual bicycle knowledge fundamentals 🤓

[@MrKrueger88]

Glad you mentioned it , because that was the first thing I saw ... Knees up by his chest 🤣

[@jonabub]

Thank you. I hurt my knees just from watching.

[@whiskeykilmer1866]

It appears to be perfect. Can't wait for the complete analysis and comparisons videos. Thank you.

[@marauderhot]

One of the best install videos on KZbin, good job.

[@ianmangham4570]

I can't i just can't, the seat bro the seat UP 😂

[@claverton]

Very thorough and excellent Photon installation vid ... best one I've seen, thanks

[@markjmaxwell9819]

Nice glad CYC stepped up and did a great kit looks extremely well designed with the cranks the icing on the cake. Urban bikes and road bikes would be equally impressive with this kit fitted.

[@Marie579]

Wo what a neat conversion.

[@gregoryvangaya8971]

Great job, thanks

[@hiphopsuperman]

You should specify at 3:14, you should only add a spacer to the drive-side if the chainring is hitting your chainstay. If it clears, your spacers should all be placed on the non drive side to keep a straight chainline.

[@hellflame22]

I stripped my threads for doing this. I wish I had seen your comment

[@geraldhenrickson7472]

Is that not implied in what he says at 3:44? Is this indicated the mounting instructions or just be plain old common sense?

[@MumfordJim]

Nice build. Any problem with heat when doing long rides or going up steep grades. What about cables that go under the bottom bracket. Do you have space to leave the cables without rerouting them. Do you recommend the brake sensors? I would like to use it with a Nexus IGH 8 speed. Looking forward to additional videos.

[@worzelb1709]

Nice bike! Will you be doing a video on the full suspension CFC bike that I watched in your video shorts? It looks real good.

[@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400]

Thanks for this. Excellent Content! From what I see in our video, there is not a proprietary battery for the Photon. I can use one of the standard 48 or 52v e-bike batteries that are commonly availible? Also would Bafang cable extensions and Bafang throttle work on the Photon?

[@ciscokid2444]

Great video! What battery did you use and is a triple bob necessary?

[@warlockboyburns]

The sound of the earlier models is what put me off getting one.

[@baesunghoo]

Loveit! Cool~! Maybe it's because it's small, but I can hear the noise. When the throttle is pulled, as in the video.

[@DynamiteLanding]

Thanks for the video. Which Battery is installed in your video? Im just curious about the size as I try to plan a build for my Rocky Mountain. Thanks

[@AlteredState1123]

Thanks.

[@FlyingScot911]

I think the Photon motor is a game changer. You can put it on any bike. I would put that on my old Trek road bike. Although, having said that, I think DIY ebikes should have decent disc brakes for stopping power. I have the CYC X1 Stealth with over 6,000 KM. I love it. But I just purchased and installed the Gen 3 X1 Stealth with the new torque sensor and crank. It is the same sensor as in the Photon. It is a game changer. It is so smooth. It turns your average cyclist into a Tour de France rider. The quality of the build is excellent. I even built a DIY trailer out of an old trike and I can ride smoothly at 50kph in level 3 pedal assist mode...or just use the throttle. Either way I can't even feel the trailer behind me. I chose the full, motorbike like, throttle. I built two folding eBikes last year also with the X1 stealth for a friend. He chose the thumb throttle. I'm glad I had decided on the full throttle. It is more comfortable for long commutes. I also chose a 52v/21AH battery for my build. Another decision I am glad I made because the cold weather up here in Canada really impacts the life of the battery. I tell my friends to get the biggest battery their budget can afford. Heck, I am now looking at adding a second battery on my rear rack to more than double my AH. I am also talking with a guy about building a 100Ah battery in the base of my trailer as I have the room.

[@dlmurray55]

any bike? CYC emailed me to tell me I could install it on a belt drive but I'm not sure if there wouldn't be any issues.

[@-joo3033]

learn how To build and program an Arduino and you can have a Heated battery wich stays the same temperature no matter how cold it is...no range reduction and charging outside when its cold.

[@lesp315]

So I gauss it's a game changer. So you say.

[@aaronhambek6362]

I like that he knew the right math to do at around 11:00 and then got 1000W from 52V * 40A, there’s a little pause where it’s like he’s going “wait sh*t that’s not right”

[@ralongfortheride3453]

at 12:44 in the video…..motor noise is very noticeable! How may watts is this motor running at here? For silent operation when does one cross into such a noise level? 200 watts? 300 watts? 400 watts? When can one say the motor starts to get audible noise? Really need a noise meter to report on how quiet e motors are.

[@capt.lennymiller6524]

Nice video! Are there torque specs for the installation or is it just as tight as you can get it?

[@mr.keepitreal2200]

What the original chainring size and did you have to cut or replace the chain ?

[@boostwizzard]

what is the typical range expected with one of those units (roughly?)

[@beerman1957]

Would this work on a Catrike? I’m interested

[@censorshipBS]

Can you put the spacers on either side of the BB to center the chain with the rear cassette?

[@roloumend1866]

Bacana demais, será que se pegar uma descida esse negócio freia bem?

[@zhutwo]

Have you tried installing this on frames with ISCG mounting points?

[@TechnicalUnderground]

I'm sure max is 2000w unrestricted, like on High Voltage video

[@Crispyground]

Thanks for the detailed review. Are brake sensors required for this motor?

[@kevinshort3943]

Only if you are going to use the throttle and the break at the same time.

[@ciscokid2444]

What battery did you install?

[@dleebox2268]

How many levels of pedal assist does this photon motor has?

[@tmho7091]

Does it have cruise control function?

[@diyelectricbiker9361]

Nice, now all depends on the Price how much they will sell.

[@AleHorry]

I can't find replacements for this motor and the chainring is exclusive from the brand so you have to pay from 60 $to 130$. On my Bafang 750w i have to replace the chainring (15$) every 3 months and the clutch (15$) every year.

[@americaofthenorth655]

Hey buddy nice build. What's the difference between bafang bbshd and this cyc? What's it going to cost for this set-up? I bought the bbshd from you guys in Bolton and am having a blast with it!

[@goldenmotorNA]

It’s going to be 950 USD . They have some differences we ll do a comparison video soon

[@Gyllbonus]

If you where to do this with a single speed ... What gear ratio or sprocket and cog would be optimal for this motor?

[@colincampbell4261]

50/16

[@cannonballer7550]

Does the DS103 display have bluetooth like the SW102?

[@Pacokepler]

Is it possible to buy it from Spain?? Thanks.

[@cannonballer7550]

How's the programming compared to Banfang? Can you up speed limits, change power levels, etc...

[@-joo3033]

yes ofc

[@Delton05]

You put the grease on the wrong bit, IMO, that part you smeared it on doesn't even move! Surely that grease is for the silver axle that DOES move when you peddle. Can you check that???

[@Raushanspace]

Can this be done in smaller frame bike Giant ATX 3

[@MikeWarnus]

can you use a 60v battery with it?thanks

[@uuzd4s]

The Torque & Wattage specs for this CYC-Photon Mid-Drive seem likely to be inflated some. Other than that, it looked to be a pretty clean install and good performance, so, maybe it does make the advertised spec's.

[@robking1584]

Can you install this system without the throttle! As I would like the motor to respond to my input, just like a more expensive none kit emtb's. I'm not looking for an electric motorbike/skooter experience.

[@julzgarci23]

Good built and motor , can i have the link where to purchase cyc

[@MichaelGreenLagos]

Does it have a temperature gauge

[@baitball4665]

Yes

[@its_Tricky83]

That's much louder than my BBS02, but I do like that it's torque sensing.

[@goldenmotorNA]

Its actually quieter the bbs02 :) it may not seem like that in the video

[@00dreamer00]

Hello, I recently got into cycling and I really want to convert my 2020 Trek DS1 but I just don't understand the options they offer and which one will be compatible with my bike. I don't know which option I should select for bracket size, chainring, and crank set length? Would you be able to help me with this? Also would I need the brake sensors?

[@goldenmotorNA]

Reach out to our sales team . We can help you determine that.

[@mrkeopele]

WoW! that;s cool, should i have gotten the cyc photon instead of the Bafang BBSHD?

[@dlmurray55]

maybe, who knows how long these last yet as not tested but I have high hopes for them and tho a bit more in price I think its worth

[@crustytoenail1110]

Well we at least know the bbshd is bullet proof at this point

[@Ellerich800]

What's it like if the motor is off or the battery is dead? Is there a drag?

[@devondyreson]

Are the chainrings special for the Photon? Is there a possibility to run this with a gates belt?

[@patrick1978maas]

No, no Gates belt. Just special chainrings from CYC only.

[@dlmurray55]

@@patrick1978maas CYC emailed me that you could use it with a belt drive I just would think their might be issues with alignment with belt though I'm not sure. They just told me you could use it with one

[@lesp315]

@@sneescampers Yes...if?

[@lesp315]

You should be able to convert a gates belt chain ring to fit that kit. It's not a black magic.

[@brettrickards]

Where did u get the battery.?

[@hbeaven69]

Hey what battery did you use size brand etc...? Thanks

[@goldenmotorNA]

LG cells. 52v 17.5 ah

[@ciscokid2444]

Hey man the CYC install video puts both the 7 and the 3mm spacers on the non drive side which way is correct?

[@thebestreviews858]

I had to put the 3mm on the drive side, so the chainring wouldn't touch the chainstay. If you have space, then I guess you can put both on the non drive side.

[@geekane9462]

Looks like your BB shell could have used a facing. After awhile you might get crecking due to uneven motor to BB interface. When installing a new BB, or in this case a motor, after removing a BB its recommended to face the BB surface

[@geraldhenrickson7472]

Well...there goes a few hundred for a special tool. Rats.

[@Reza-fg8xk]

can you change back gears?

[@stevecrump1375]

Hi...How does it compare to the bbs02 better or just different. ? ...What was the cost of the kit..? Does it have a throttle. .? Was it well made..?

[@goldenmotorNA]

We ll do a video on the differences soon

[@patrick1978maas]

you forgot the second spacer in de left bottom bracket which goed in front of the tighten up thingy screw.

[@syedzgaming]

Dud what happenned to your bottom bracket?? Looks like you took some metal out?

[@v1ncen715]

Most likely a BBS0X was installed in the past, which has teeth that dig into the bb shell. I got the same on my bikes after BBS02 install.

[@johnnylong2049]

Can you do a top speed with it fully unrestricted at 2000w?

[@MsApog]

Yes, you can

[@hindesite]

9-12sp compatible?

[@jonabub]

How does it compare to the tsdz2? I've been very pleased with it so far.

[@jonabub]

Thank you.

[@jonabub]

And please adjust your saddlehight in the future. Noone takes cyclists with damaged knees seriously.

[@censorshipBS]

I was thinking of buying this set up. Can you use a different battery than the ones cyc sell on their website? I dont think their A or B series will fit in my triangle ❤

[@goldenmotorNA]

Yes you can reach out to our sales team they can get you set up

[@user-ms8xp4dx2k]

What bike is that I wanna build the same bike with parts from your

[@grantmacdonald4838]

Any chance of getting a full sized diagram to see if it'll fit inside my triangle?

[@slavojalois1639]

I was wondering the same thing, it does look smaller than the Bafang motor to me.

[@hindesite]

That looks small enough to fit inside some of those bikes with curved downtubes like Giant Stance etc, and might be easier than trying to fit under.

[@joehiatt1992]

Whats the top speed with this setup on this bike??

[@themrfabio2459]

What is the bike in this video and frame size?

[@phifou1807]

Please, show us how you put "40 to 50 Nm" with the tool they provide (or with any other pin wrech...). Why the cut...

[@alfhenriksen3363]

How does it hold the torque of the motor. There is no torque bracket 😲

[@tuco0x]

Something to think about. What does Torque and Watt have in common? They are both SI Metric System units and the unit of force in them is a Newton. Weight is a force. It is the product of mass multiplied by gravity. Torque is weight or force multiplied by distance. That's why the unit is Newton Meter. But you called weight kilograms. If kilograms was a unit of weight, torque would have the units kilogram meter. But that's not the case which means kilograms is NOT a unit of weight but rather a unit of mass. Just say mass in lieu of weight when referencing the unit gram/kilogram. The ambiguity between weight and mass was resolved a long, long time ago with the SI Metric System.

[@rjrieta]

When is it available for sale?

[@goldenmotorNA]

Looking January of 2023

[@Smegmeister]

When are these due in?

[@goldenmotorNA]

January of 2023

[@Ray-dz9fn]

What keeps the motor from rotating around in the BB? Also, I'm guessing there's no dedicated shift sensor port.

[@baitball4665]

It has a bracket. He showed you in the install

[@CrossoverDayPackReviews]

I don’t think BAITBALL understood your question. There does not appear to be a bracket that prevents rotation as is seen on the Stealth and Pro. Seems like they are relying on friction alone for the Photon.

[@hopewilliams8983]

It comes with something called a "mounting support plate" as listed in the parts section of the instructions but makes absolutely no mention of it in the instructions otherwise. No idea what to do with it

[@ebikescrapper3925]

What's the q factor like? Thanks

[@hindesite]

200mm...!

[@303hubert]

Are we hearing the cameraman's bike motor in this video because it's pretty loud for the quietest motor you ever heard I'd like to hear a microphone on the actual bike that you're riding rather than the motor from the cameraman's bike. Which I assume is what we're hearing is that correct?

[@altosack]

Umm… 52V x 40A is a lot more than 1,000W. Is it electronically limited?

[@lav1daloca]

Wow this is amazing! So basically this kit can turn any bike into a powerful 1000watt E-bike??? WTF!!! How much is the motor kit?

[@Ry-lx2kl]

$850 but it will go over $1k with adding accessories.

[@joehiatt1992]

@@Ry-lx2kl Plus battery so like $1600

[@ciscokid2444]

What battery did you use? Did you need a triple bob?

[@goldenmotorNA]

Yes we did

[@goldenmotorNA]

It’s 52v 17.5 ah

[@LhDiy]

Already sold-out ?

[@o00scorpion00o]

I wonder how over rated these motors are. ? I installed the TSDZ2 a couple of days ago, running 52v battery and my old Bosch Gen I 50 Nm is more powerful on steep hills so I think it's safe to say the TSDZ2 stock firmware is less than 50 Nm. + the TSDZ2 gets very hot, the Bosch hardly even luke warm. I'm thinking about installing the open source firmware. The TSDZ2 appears more powerful than the Bosch on level ground and moderate hills because it's not speed restricted but on the really steep stuff the Bosch wins. I'd love to try an 85 Nm Bosch but the cost....... This Photon looks small enough, I wonder how much power it really has. The Bosch Gen I 50 Nm is the benchmark for me.

[@jeffbmtb6993]

when will this be available?

[@goldenmotorNA]

Jan-Feb of 2023

[@colinfera433]

can the photon be used at 72V? Looking to see if its compatible with my existing 72 volt batteries.

[@mtbsieppo]

Been thinking the same. I sent CYC an Email, let's see what comes back. Officially it's not good for 72v so it will void the warranty

[@colincampbell4261]

Display says 52v max.

[@MistaWells]

has anyone had a problem with the motor spinning on its own when the throttle is enabled/plugged in

[@kauaikit]

Wait….it’s quieter running than the MP4/5?!? 😮

[@aeskellion]

How fast ?

[@vasipro]

How much that sprocket? It's not standard... How many kilometers lasts? KMC ones last maximum 3000Kms. I ride 2200Kms per month.

[@nobrakes7247]

Thanks Would have been nice to see the difference between each chainstay and inside of end of each crank arm. Perfect chain line is critical but I feel centred cranks is just as critical

[@hmakky]

dearborn! LMAOOOOOOO

[@ciscokid2444]

Has anyone had the experience of updating firmware from app and getting locked out of bike and app won’t connect? CYC is saying it’s bricked wtf now Electrify Bike is telling me I have to uninstall kit and mail to them at my cost for them to do a reflash what a pain in the butt!

[@geraldhenrickson7472]

My kids want to know why you are not wearing a helmet. I assured them you simply forgot and that you likely do most of the time. to set a good example for the wee ones. Thanks for the video.

[@bigwheelsturning]

Why is your seat so low?

[@rjgta361]

When's it being sold?

[@goldenmotorNA]

January of 2023

[@jessiethompson1949]

hey, you didn't say how you liked it! Say how you like it compared to others.

[@DeathRoll]

forgot to grease the spindle...

[@Customercf]

That battery mount wont last long

[@thebestreviews858]

Why not? I plan on using the same mount for mine.

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

Not sure how you can pedal this bike at speeds over 30 mph..🤔

[@altosack]

With such a small chainring, you can’t. That’s my biggest beef with many of these kits; they’re all made for slow mountain bikes, and for not pedaling. I ride a road bike, and I want a motor to be safer in 25-40 mph traffic. Yeah, I know the legal limit for assist is 28 mph, but that’s just not safe, or else it relegates us to college campuses, and out of the real world, which I think is their intent.

[@baitball4665]

@@altosack you pick what size chainring you want. It has an option for a 52t. If that is too small for you I don't know wtf kind of biking your doing. Road bikes are for nerds

[@ianmangham4570]

110nm 😮🦍

[@yeahright9001]

Why does the CYC website still say coming soon? Where did you get yours, when is it available to the masses???

[@goldenmotorNA]

It’s a demo unit that Cyc sent us for testing . Stay tuned pre orders should be live soo

[@ejonesss]

the chainring system is too proprietary you are stuck using their chainrings

[@samspade4050]

Sounds louder than my bbshd

[@goldenmotorNA]

It is quieter then a Bbshd we tried them next to each other.we will do a video comparing them .