Cycplus T2 Indoor Trainer Failure with an Unacceptable Problem!

[@gplama]

Explanations from Cycplus to the issues of the T2 bike trainer: 1. To the data and resistance: 1) As you can see, we have sent four trainers in a row, and each one is getting better, and we do not give up on improving product quality to better meet customer obesessions. 2) We keep researching and developing the program. And we had released the latest firmware version on our CYCPLUS app. By completing an update, the resistance and data will be more accurate. 3) We are aware that we still have a lot of disadvantages, however, I assure that we are making products in a strict standard of process and we will treat and solve any problems seriously. 2. To the weired phenomenon: 1) The low-voltage and low-frequency charge leakage are harmless to people, and this kind of power leakage is quite common. See: discussions.apple.com/thread/250613526 2) Tacx's and Wahoos trainers can also light up the LED, which is proven after a lot of real tests. Links to the videos of Tacx's and Wahoos trainers showing the same phenomenon pasted below. 3) Cycplus T2 smart bike trainer has gone through the EMC test, in line with the EU standards. We also passed the KC certification in Korea which is thought to be the strictest wireless certification. 4) The touch failure on the bike computer is a low probability problem. Australia's dry winter air may accelerate the exposure of the problem. In addition to the product itself, this problem is also related to the office circuit design situation. For example, the ground of the power supply is not connected to the earth, or there is a wire passing under the bike. 5) We do not use inferior chargers. T2 uses the Mean Well(from Taiwan) power supply, which is the same as Garmin and complies with all safety regulations. This power supply costs more than the power supplies used by Wahoo, Kickr, and Magee. 6) We've done a lot of experiments to reproduce the touch failure phenomenon, and at the same time and the power-supply supplier (same as NEO) together to analyze and optimize the program. We have developed a solution to reduce the amount of charge- discharge and the touch failure on the bike computer will be completely avoided. 3. To the rust in the inner shaft hole: 1) There was a lot of water vapor generated during the production of the foam box inside the packing box, and there was some water vapor residue in the foam, a cause of the rust. 2) And summer in our city Chengdu(southwest of China) is very humid. The transportation from Chengdu to Australia takes more than 2 weeks, thus the water vapor was sealed inside the carton for a long period of time, another cause. 3) Before shipping the sample unit to Shane, we already unboxed it once and had done some tests on it. That is to say, during our tests on the trainer, there maybe some wears and tears which caused damages to the plating, resulting in the rust. 4) Additionally, the shaft hole of the motor has plating actually. But the inner hole is not easy to plate concerning the shape of the shaft, thus the plating layer will be thin and easy to be rusted. 5) Actions to be taken to improve and prevent rust: a) Improve the plating and coating process, specifically the inner hole. We will separately plate the shaft hole of the motor to ensure that the thickness of its plating reaches the corresponding rust prevention level. b) Strict salt spray tests are conducted to ensure the rust resistance of the product. c) Add air dehumidification equipment to improve the packaging environment and ensure that the products are packaged dry. Desiccant is placed in the subsequent product packaging boxes. 4. Introduction to Our Cycplus team and mission Cycplus is made up of a lot of young and enthusiastic people. For the love of biking, we integrate into Cycplus family. Our brand 'Cycplus' was trademarked and founded by Steven Zhou and his classmates in his junior of the university. At that time, they were only 21 years old. Furthermore, most of Cycplus members including the CEO are post-90s. We are avid about cycling, we are energetic, and we are innovative. We will all do the best to make CYCPLUS better! ***All related files can be downloaded in the below links shared. GoogleDrive: bit.ly/3AA5OYo WeTransfer: we.tl/t-ShV87jTATf BaiduPan: pan.baidu.com/s/4gnah9IF Thank you!

[@mushmushrooms]

FYI. found this video from CYCPLUS KZbin channel, the test of lighting up the LED : kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJfVeY2Oo9qcodk

[@cycplus_official]

Thanks for your post, Shane. Here we have this test video for reference: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJfVeY2Oo9qcodk

[@patorabe2734]

@@cycplus_official What people whant is a ZERO RISK policy, not a "We are not worse than competition" on these eletric matters. This should not happend, and you guys should not set your quality standards at having acceptable known problems. PLUS : "no ham for people" sounds like "no harm until exposure is long enough to make harm quantifyable, but we will be long gone till then and at this point people will get a generous apology and a [i]IT WAS EU/US/CN LABEL[/i] explanation"

[@cycplus_official]

@@patorabe2734 Hello, thanks for your honest feedback. We're sorry for any inconvenience caused. Those issues mentioned had been researched and all tackled by our technicians and developers. Feel free to email [e-mail] if there are any other questions regarding the trainer. Cheers.

[@FernandoHaddadMinistro]

@@patorabe2734 I'm a eletronic enginner, and I've already saw this static problems with a lot of products, and the touchscreens depend on the absence of those statics. A simple multimeter will prove that this is not a eletric current problem, and the voltage is minium, so, there's no risk. A simple google search will prove to him that his balls was not in risk

[@bradallen8643]

Absolute roasting. Hambini would be proud (thankful that your language is cleaner)

[@RossTheNinja]

Only cos he has no hairdressers to bang

[@benthilwind6908]

Beat me to it 🤣✌️

[@NeilLavitt]

And Lama isn’t married to a hairdresser

[@DDGB08]

Thanks for the warning

[@benverschaeren6467]

"I'll unplug my new ebike", here for the tech, stay for the humor 🤣

[@charlesstorey8425]

Thanks for letting us know what a shocking (possibly literally) product this is. One to steer clear of! Nice to see GP Sheepy making a return too. The humour is there even when you review a product that turns out to be so poor. Keep up the good work.

[@perwiratempur]

Thank you for sacrificing your balls to inform us on this crap of a trainer 🙏🏽

[@gonzaloguillen4758]

It might be you can recharge them faster! hahaha! 🤣

[@SmartBikeTrainers]

Whoa 😳 … interesting experience you had with this Shane. Will have to bring mine back to the pain cave to see if I can replicate some of your issues.

[@ivailokaramanolev2160]

Does it matter though? If Shane has so many issues, how can anyone trust the QC? If *if* there are some good units in the wild, this is just too much. And it's not random trainers. I would assume units sent out to reviewers are normally checked much more thoroughly. Especially if you're sending the FOURTH one.

[@richardbennington6289]

Thank You! I saw this on Amazon for the same price as the Zwift hub. Guess it’s not an alternative. Having spent a career in product development as an engineer and manager, I would have been fired for something like this. In my day, even beta testing was viewed as a dare to others to find ANYTHING wrong with the product, since you had already done Analysis, Design, protypes, extensive test plans, etc. The fact that these people sent you anything at all and yet are trying to justify defects is unthinkable.

[@NormCorriveau]

Wow, just wow. I'm speechless!

[@neilbuckley5796]

I like it when I see you do this, and the review of the latest Garmin radar also the same, shows me I can trust your opinions and reviews, too many people on here are just regurgitators for the companies' promotion materials.

[@christopheryack580]

that’s wild. I am LOVING mine. i’m coming from an 18 year old computrainer that was in a frame with a fork mount = completely locked in with no lateral movement t…the computrainer would no longer synch with Zwift so i bought the T2. the only complaint i have is the power reads very low but i just use my Stages on bike meter for power and cadence the unit is very sturdy and well built the metal frame construction is nice and the legs fold up clean…it’s easy to move. i just got back from vacation where i took the unit with me and did some zwift races i had no issues at all with wheel slip the resistance feels really good and the lateral play is good as well. much better for my knees then the computrainer i love this trainer but time will tell For $800 i think it’s a good deal…the computrainer with the frame cost me twice that 18 years ago the company responds to emails within 24 hours i’ll contact about the power readings but since i always use an on bike power meter it’s not that important to me

[@BetterShifting]

Saw the Instagram stories this morning. That must've been.... shocking! 😇

[@BetterShifting]

GPSheepy beat me to it :}

[@NotDeadYetThanksForAsking]

Spoilers!

[@wayneknowles9803]

This looks to be an Electromagnetic Compatibility issue (known as EMC in the industry, but there is also overlap with EMI). There are strict regulations that products need to comply with a variety of standards to stop this very issue from occurring so the product doesn't meet the AS/NZ 61000 standards (or equiv FCC standards). Given that the previous product didn't have this issue is strange, so I wonder if the power pack if faulty, or an issue with the filtering on the trainer. I would try a different power supply to see if it resolves the issue as there are cheap/bad ones in the marketplace, unfortunately. Also try and listen to a weak AM radio station which I expect to have severe interference issues with. Completely understand your frustration - this is best solved by going for a 2 hour ride outdoors 🙂

[@gplama]

This derailed my ride plans yesterday... and it's wet and cold outside. Same weather again today. Thankfully I have a few other trainers that behave I can use.

[@tizzywizz]

I'm one of the few Indiegogo backers and I got my T2 back in March. I also had the constant virtual tire slip issue, but it got fixed in a firmware update. Haven't had any of the other issues you mentioned, but perhaps I should go check with a multimeter 😅 When going up steep hills it does still feel kind of "slippery", and when going fast downhill it sort of "stutters" (no idea how to explain it). This is the only home trainer I've ever tried, so I don't know how it compares to others in its price range - it was only $600 after all. Oh well, luckily it's working alright for me and I knew it was a gamble buying a product like that, but it's good enough for me.

[@gplama]

I didn’t get to talk much about the ride experience… which was on the cards if this thing didn’t turn my bike into a live wire. The stuttering is the neodymium magnets and their orientation in the flywheel. The Neo had a similar issue that was resolved with placing the magnets at an offset angle.

[@wiscerc]

Curious to know how do you get it for $600 :)

[@tizzywizz]

@@wiscerc It was $600 during their indiegogo pre-purchase campaign

[@FernandoHaddadMinistro]

I've paid 500, and a TACX Neo Smart costs 1199. It's a bargan for a equipment with similar type. I don't think everybody will have these problems, mainly cause a lot of problems can be solved in the firmware

[@TooManyGooglAccounts]

The problem with the Garmins is the same as what cheap chargers do to phones. Pretty common if you search for something like "phone doesn't work while charging". Also I've gotten a shock while unplugging the Kickr power brick three or four times.

[@ddinchevchannel]

What amazes me is that this manufacturer did not VERY carefully cherry pick units for review... Like, if you are going to send a unit to someone that can have major impact on your sales, how can you send a unit with visible rust to start with?! Especially after several problematic ones...

[@throx]

Interesting result from an Electrical Engineering perspective. Assuming you have an Earth Leakage breaker running (and if not, WTF, get one now!) then there's no leakage current going through ground, so extremely unlikely to be something going on with the mains power (those things are sensitive). That makes the "dangerous" claim a little edgy without actually knowing what's going on. On the bright side, there's no path through your junk that is likely to provide a closed circuit before some other body part does so your future fertility isn't too much in jeopardy. :) I wonder if there's something that builds a static charge from the cycling motion that isn't grounded out, resulting in the "rubbing the feet on carpet" type of thing going on that you were unable to discharge because of rubber/carbon shoes/soles? Earthing out your bike frame would likely resolve the issue, but it seems like something the manufacturer could have easily put in with a grounding path on the flywheel.

[@gplama]

It’s KZbin, it is mandatory I use terms such as ‘Dangerous’ 😉

[@throx]

🤣

[@neilbuckley5796]

To be honest I wouldnt want to statically discharging my bollocks before riding!

[@jamesderrick8201]

TL;DR The issue is likely a substandard switch mode power supply. Most low voltage power supplies are "switch mode" and turn mains AC into high-voltage DC, high frequency AC and then low voltage DC to reduce size (much smaller transformer cores at high frequency) and cost. The output is theoretically isolated from the input due to the HF transformer, but some designs (with a 3-wire lead) use a coupling capacitor and drain resistor to stop the 0V rail floating. The switching needs careful design to stop radio noise escaping - an AM radio is an effective interference detector. Australian mains sockets are like the UK in that they are 3-wire with a protective earth conductor, likely monitored by an ELCB / GFCI / other local name. Many electrical supplies link "earth" and Neutral so even two-wire "double insulated" devices without a PE connection are still protected should you get a shock of more than (varies internationally) 40mA. Enough to hurt, but much less likely to kill. My Tacx Neo is like this with a reversible two conductor mains lead, so a fully isolated PSU can be supplied at this price point and purpose (it works with the mains input connections either way around so MUST be an isolated output). One issue is when a bad PSU design "floats" up above "ground" PE due to unwanted capacitive coupling or leakage between mains input and outputs. The voltage between you and either of the switch mode PSU outputs can be way above the likely 20ish volt DC design output - likely at low current, but enough to tingle often without tripping a RCD / GFCI / ELCB. This PSU design may also not be properly filtered with HF switching noise likely causing EMI issues with other kit like capacitive touch screen head units. An AM radio may pick up this radio noise and is a standard field test. Either RF interference or stray voltages could be coupled through the bike frame to stop a capacitive touch screen from operating. In short, the PSU is likely below specification - not what you expect from something designed to be in close contact with a sweaty low-resistance human. One for a Big Clive or EEVblog disassembly video perhaps?

[@5mattcolour]

@@neilbuckley5796 🤣

[@5mattcolour]

Absolutely "shocking" Shane!

[@MrBin7raib]

Thank god I found this review. Was almost about to buy it.

[@glenmcfarlane]

I’m no sparky but as soon as I saw you get no response from the touch screens I knew the problem. So dangerous. Especially in Australia at 240 volts.

[@glennoc8585]

Actually it's not dangerous unless the power supply is 240v direct into the trainer with no RCD. Must need dern Australian homes have leakage safety devices.

[@adaycj]

I think you (and all of us) should be thankful that they are using a DC power adapter and that thing doesn't route wall voltage (mains) into the trainer itself.

[@itschriswinter]

Shocker 😅🤘🏽

[@IdolOracle]

do you get a 'fuzzy' feeling if you rub the top tube? I've had this before with iPad chargers and also my induction hob/cooker. If someone else strokes your arm when your holding a phone plugged into an iPad charger, their skin feels juddery/fuzzy

[@StuartLynne]

Just a note on the Cycplus Ant+ dongle, don't use it. It is not reliable and easily gets "overloaded" when you have multiple ant devices broadcasting data. Typically this results in the dongle freezing and needing to be reset.

[@pdrmnds]

I love, love, LOVE a pissed off Mr Lama 😂😂

[@itsdeebs5156]

And with that....the company folds. Jesus. That's bad. I know neg tip DC can be a little touchy and the risk to the rider is minimal.... But I'm sure electrical current through carbon isn't good. Device longevity would decrees. Mate. You held back a bit lol 🤣

[@jamesmckinney9639]

Damn, this trainer makes the rider and attached devices shock absorbers.

[@NeilLavitt]

Using my Wahoo Rollr I’ve started getting a static buildup and the only thing I’ve changed is to put RideNow TPU tubes. I still have touchscreens working though.

[@rongurney48]

Cycplus seems to have shot itself in the foot and given itself a death sentence with this unit. Presenting a rusty, electrically flawed unit to a reviewer as influential as GP Lama is pretty stupid. F. Gump would certainly agree. Given what is already on the trainer market, this adds nothing to justify its existence. Even if the current flow is low and "harmless", having it interfere with using head units is unacceptable. Back to basic electricity 101.

[@philipskotzke]

First I misread the titel and thought the video was about the Cyclus 2 cycling trainer. As this device costs ~10.000€ and is used in labs for performance testing I was surprised there were any quality problems.

[@lehtjug]

Shane, if they offer you another unit after this then don’t take it, let them test it, maybe they are lucky and survive. They must have bad issue with their quality control.

[@jaredlash5002]

I got that reference and there was no shame at all.

[@stancox7573]

I'm really amused by the comments saying this is partly the fault of Garmin. I would expect any touch screen device to be affected the same way.

[@MrOrangeman18]

So I’m assuming your not going to try unit no5 😂? I’m all seriousness being and electronics repair shop would love to have a look inside to see what’s going on with the mains Earth issue. 🧐

[@jeremywalter9238]

WTF!!! Absolutely unacceptable! I hope that didn’t caused damage to your Garmin or Di2 gear

[@gplama]

Warranty void on the new Shimano meter… that’s going to be expensive!

[@g4rymw110]

Looks like if I took my Tacx neo outdoors in a thunderstorm it would seem safer than this 😳

[@richyrich2344]

Cool feature - extra power ups on Zwift :-)

[@mohongzhi]

Just got one last month, due to my Kickr v5 (2020 version? bought at 2021) just don't send power data days before. Actually I am very satisfied with T2, it's just like at least as good as my Kickr V5. And as an engineer, I can say these electric pulse is very very common. All DC electric device with a chip are easy to get some pulse signal at somewhere, just because it's not grounded. I am very eager to see you would try to ground the bike and try it again, but not on your video. Haha. It's perfectly fine for my 1030P mounted on. Anyway...Dude, it's 48V DC power input, whatever it did, it won't cook your balls haha. Anyway pretty happy with my T2 got Nov 2023 maybe just porduced weeks before and ROM is newest out of box. I do have kickr V2(sold because to loud and i always train after 10pm), then Kickr V5, due to V5 stop sending cadance and power data but still sending speed data, not respond to ERG, no resistance at or so cannot even use it as a non-electric trainer. I will stick to this T2 and i don't think i will go back to Kickr.

[@brianwoods2998]

Did you check a steel bike instead of the carbon fibre one? There may have been enough current to supercharge your training.

[@glennoc8585]

Did you try another power supply Shane? If it's not the power supply probably a filter cap on the board not doing it's job. Did you try a ground wire from the wheelaxle to ground to see if the touch screens worked? An issue that shouldn't get passed QC.

[@gplama]

I did try an alternate power supply… no issue with the current leaking onto the bike with that. I didn’t ride with it or perform any further QA for them. Closing the door on this trainer for now. I’ve wasted too much time on it.

[@glennoc8585]

@@gplama fair enough Shane. Fixed or not it shouldn't need fixing.

[@1984rbarker]

I always watch your reviews and often wonder why the new trainers that come to the market are the same as the top of the range ones released 5 years ago. You state this one is similar to a Neo 1. Surely these companies should be making something that is better than the current market offerings to try and get a foothold.

[@idekatt]

why? They can just make it cheaper. Not everyone needs the latest bling.

[@1984rbarker]

@@idekatt That only applies if the product works.

[@nsjohnston]

I doubt there's any danger. It looks like there's a DC adapter powering it, which means it'll probably be a low voltage. It's still shoddy workmanship, but I don't think you're in danger of any harm from electricity discharging through your body.

[@adaycj]

Unless the problem is primarily a faulty DC adapter that also leaks AC mains voltage. I'd certainly hope not, but I agree with Shane. Enough with being this companies design engineers for free.

[@nsjohnston]

@@adaycj DC adapters use transformers so the output side is isolated. You'd need to short out the transformer for that to happen. If mains voltage was present in a device designed to run of low voltage DC it would fail alomost instantly, probably with a lot of smoke.

[@redwoodJB]

Nice shocker.

[@karimsabri1636]

Talking about bright ideas, did they reply guilty as Charged 🤣

[@tonycarlsson7409]

Congratulations....you are the new member of AC/DC? 🤣🤪

[@ions82]

Dang. I had high hopes when I first saw this trainer (as there are very few that physically work with handcycles.) Most direct/chain-drive trainers require one to use complicated adaptations. Now I know why these trainers have a $100-off coupon through Amazon. Looks like they rushed it to market. With this video being one of the more prominent reviews, I doubt they will be around for long.

[@gplama]

They've since reached out for me to inform me these issues are resolved and have requested multiple times to remove this review, including statements that other reviewers have reached out calling this review unfair and they'd publish more favourable reviews for them. Make of that what you will..... I know what I make of it.

[@henriquequix90]

Do you have plans to test the DARE2RIDE Fuego? Congratulations for your work

[@gplama]

Hasn’t come across my desk, yet:

[@cliffclermont]

"un-earthed" the issue.....another pun!

[@the_fatshark]

If a Zwift race didn't torture enough the Cycplus brings if to the next level.

[@patrickj4747]

Going to a bad day a Cycplus. Somebody is going to be looking for a new job.

[@TaichoCyclist]

Trainer with built-in EMP charge to kill the competition?! Thankfully it didn't explode in any of your sessions.

[@YuriThorpe]

It just occurred to me a few days after watching this, do you think if you covered the power pins on the back of the Garmin it would resist it more

[@lastpme]

The asked you do a review…I don’t think they will send you another trainer. I will stick with my Wahoo trainer that you reviewed.

[@aerobrain2001]

So, just to clarify, do you think it’s worth picking one of these up???

[@_clemens_]

If you want so save money on the vasectomy...absolutely

[@cdofm]

Hopefully it didn't mess up your DI2

[@becyk_du_quebec]

Not worth looking at this trainer, especially since some crazy good trainers like the Saris H3 are going out on sale right now for like half price (450 USD here).

[@kauahroque]

recive it yesterday and in ERG mode on Zwift it goes around +/- 15 to 20 watts, intervals really don’t feel that smooth compared to real life any suggestions to what i should do?

[@gplama]

Contact Cycplus.

[@kauahroque]

​@@gplama any of your power number tests uses the "power smoothing" option in app?

[@saschah911]

Maybe it could charge the batteries as well 🤣 holey cow! How on earth is that possible with all those safety regulations a manufacturer has to comply to? That should scare the xxxx out of the manufacturer and their legal team 😬 Great job Shane and thx a lot as always for your efforts! Love your videos👍

[@energylab6277]

This is so good!

[@nathanmelvin8780]

Grounding issue with your plug or the trainer causing the capacitance difference between your body and the capacitive sensitive screen.

[@donwinston]

It's supposed to give you extra energy so you can pedal faster!

[@velokicks312]

Not earthing/insulating the bike...I mean...maybe there's an explanation for this. But not reaming the through axle for 12mm? That's well below par. A shocker. Currently unworkable. Sparking your ire. I'll stop. Which, unlike this trainers circuits, I'm able to.

[@BetterShifting]

.. maybe the trainer just needs a good kick ;)

[@tadeuszwodarczyk1288]

In new version of many training platforms we will see soon new function: you are under given pace, your balls will be on fire :)

[@gplama]

PowerBall™️

[@stephenbetley9596]

Holy shit. If you had any hair it'd be standing up like a Van der Graaf generator! 😂

[@collectivesartori]

Oh. My.

[@caperider1160]

Thanks for the heads up!!! I was about to purchase one

[@gplama]

Another review for reference: www.cyclingnews.com/reviews/cycplus-t2-smart-trainer-review/

[@peterlaskiewicz8252]

Pretty sure they're using you to test their units... for the first time.

[@stevemahoney1733]

Imagine making a purchase of this trainer then having to deal with customer service. If they sent 4 trainers to GP Lama which these issues, GQ public would stand little to no chance.

[@themusette5894]

Mind you, the saddle design doesn't inspire either. With tyre-slip like that, your machine should be renamed 'The Eunuch-Maker'... Either that or it's a flux capacitor.

[@fariqazaha6321]

LMAO. Never seen a more hilarious review

[@markokitzing4291]

I didn't get the reference with the rusted through axle 🤔

[@crossroads4762]

Fair enough! I guess you wont want to try my waterproof hair dryer?

[@gplama]

If I had hair it would have been standing on end today on this trainer!

[@kevinderung8524]

So you don't recommend buying one?

[@trroland1248]

What?! How does current 🔌travel through a carbon frame?

[@Bungle2010]

Carbon fibre is a conductor.

[@markstone722]

Surely if you ask someone with over 170k subscriber's to review a product you would make sure that you test, test, test and test again before doing this. This is basic stuff

[@core2zero]

props to them for not sending a handpicked propperly QA one, he got the full customer experience (hahaha)

[@jamesinrok]

i didnt do well at science at school but doesnt sound good. what would have happened during a sweaty workout :O

[@KurtisPape]

I want 1!!! Have you got an affiliate link?

[@gplama]

No

[@KurtisPape]

@@gplama 😉

[@picarddominic]

Ouch!

[@Carftymk]

isn't cycplus the OEM for tacx?

[@kurnaikent]

DC Staticmaker?

[@jeffreyanthony7348]

🤣🤣🤣 lama a real comedian.

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Set up a electromagnetic field warning in the lab ⚠️⚠️

[@markstone722]

You know its a poor product when the " Zwift tips" are longer in length.

[@Ultegra10SPD]

End of that company. -U10

[@WowRixter]

Napoleon Dynamite would be pissed

[@U.s.e.r.3493]

Deserved review

[@Elliotherbertson]

Ha! I laughed out loud at birth control, very good!!!

[@GraemeGibbs]

Ridiculous in a consumer product

[@duncanmcrae-spencer4518]

Hmm... maybe it was actually sent by a certain sportswear developer who like chevrons?

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

Really poor design of the power supply. You don't need this event to happen. Probably an electrostatic buildup, and discharging that could be extremely painful.

[@DenHvideHund]

They do have a lot of "certificates" on their webpage and they are all very smart people.....ok then :)

[@trepidati0n533]

Most certificates are "self certifying" these days.....so yeah.

[@unrealshots]

WTAF is going on there!!! 👀

[@troycollett8540]

That’s extremely dangerous.and these are out there on the market

[@bengt_axle]

They can send it to me if they want to get rid of it. Got some extra copper wire hanging around.

[@testdirver]

i would say the brand care, others biggest brand as much say deal with it

[@gplama]

Yeah… what now?

[@tripshower2all]

Could u tell about garmin indoor trainer

[@aaronbacon8660]

what is virtual tire slip

[@gplama]

The resistance reduces and the pedal stroke slips. Like a slipping tyre on a wheel-on trainer. Or riding on wet grass with road tyres and spinning out.

[@toadlguy]

So, other than that … how was the road feel? 🤣

[@TheUnrevealer]

You can blame trainer, but thats a clear fault of all garmins aswell :)

[@gplama]

I think Garmin are in the clear here. This isn’t a typical use case they need to account for.

[@thommomonk]

AC/DC seems appropriate…….