How Police Brutality became a Problem in the USA

[@CynicalHistorian]

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Zahn, “Violence Arrests in the City: The Philadelphia Story, 1857-1980,” _Violence in America: The History of Crime,_ ed. Ted Robert Gurr, 3rd ed. (1969; Newbury Park, Cal.: Sage Publications, 1989), 102-121. amzn.to/2YTR3wu

[@JVLeroy223]

How was this comment made 20 hours ago when this video was only just released 5 minutes ago.

[@hiddenhist]

James Vargas the magic of unlisted videos

[@ah925]

James Vargas it was probably private beforehand

[@peruamorrortubarrenetxea5300]

Before watching the rest of the video: KZbin needs to really revise their reviewing standards to actually acomodate some quality content beyond stupid comentary and gaming channels. I follow some history channels in various languages, and each one of them faces the same demonetization problems. If they are unwilling to do so, KZbin is going to go to hell the moment some strong alternative appears.

[@ZeStreD]

The stupid commentary and gaming channels get demonetized now too. Literally no one is safe.

[@peruamorrortubarrenetxea5300]

@@ZeStreD Seems its completely random already. My guess is that KZbin isn't capable of handling the volume of content it hosts and that causes an overreliance on automated control. Couple that with mysterious and anarchical guidelines and...

[@james_chatman]

@@peruamorrortubarrenetxea5300 To be a bit conspiratorial I think that some people at YT really don't want fact-based historical content to be platformed. Reasons? I can only guess.

[@freedomofmovement3376]

cynical historian shills govt narrative on shooting psy ops

[@BladeEdge86]

KZbin can't keep biting the hand that feeds it forever, a viable competitor will rise up eventually.

[@fdfischer]

At this point, for all the work you do on this channel, all these demonetized videos should be a badge of honor that you are doing something right

[@posthumousc4913]

Late to the game, I know, but is there a way for viewers to know which videos have been demonetized? A badge or icon we can be looking for?

[@flbphotography2239]

Hooah! Much respect from one veteran to another and as a Black combat veteran who is affected by this everyday, I am so glad to see you cover this in such a nuanced and factual matter. We need more allies like you.

[@jamieflanagan4110]

“That monopoly needs to be busted.” *Theodore Roosevelt intensifies*

[@iammrbeat]

Yang is right. Every police officer should have at least a purple belt in Jiu-Jitsu.

[@DriveCarToBar]

It funny that this comes up. My grandfather was a police officer in LAPD from 1949 to 1974. In all that time, which included the Watts Riots, he never fired his gun in anger. He took great pride in the fact that he never had to shoot at anybody. He took a couple semesters of wrestling as his PE requirement at Santa Monica College while he was taking criminology and forensics courses, and said that helped him more than his revolver ever did.

[@danwalker2642]

@@DriveCarToBar I hope a police officer NEVER fires his gun in anger. It should always be to defend himself or another.

[@DriveCarToBar]

@@danwalker2642 It's a figure of speech.

[@StoutProper]

@@danwalker2642 seeing as half of them are on coke on duty it's key much guaranteed

[@yesthatsagrubworm.7732]

@@itsblitz4437 I agree. All that training and resource will require lots more $$ and u know what the current recycled narrative is... I've always thought law enforcement, teachers, medical staff from surgeons to cleaning staff should be paid high, based on more education and training, all of which of course costs more $ but worth it. However...the root is never mentioned and we would not have such a need for so much $$ spent on police and in turn med staff...if parenting could make it back to top priority. Instead, its 1 distraction after another since recorded time. Past 3 decades show this well and tell us not to repeat the hype we hear. If we were truly all these horrible things some media and some politicians say we are...we wouldn't be able to carry on with our daily lives year after year. But we can and do carry on. Do errands, socialize, work etc 24 7 365 in diverse cities and towns and we ok...no other nation can claim that...hence why ppl from everywhere want to live here. But looking at cities in NW regions...compare their policies with other cities with low crime and high crime and find the common denominators in high crime cities and see what conclusions you come to. Same with low crime cities and towns. Those cities have become a magnet for lawlessness environments and I remember 20 yrs ago watching docs on how so many kids runaway to those cities, no matter what "class" they grew up in and mix that with their school boards curriculums with their youth and we see home grown terror now. Most important on all that ails society is whats most overlooked...parenting and the crucial formative years. Nothing can or is more important. But if a problem is fixed or highly improved...some job security goes bye bye.

[@iammrbeat]

Oh and thanks for the shout out buddy. I unwittingly returned the favor in my video yesterday. 😆

[@shadowwarriorshockwave3281]

I think a major problem with law enforcement is the general disconnect they have with the people they are supposed to protect.

[@liveking12]

Facts

[@kakyointhemilfhunter4273]

Apparently a lot of police officers patrols areas they don't live in, further adding to the disconnect.

[@cstgraphpads2091]

The disconnect prevents corruption. It shouldn't matter whether they live in the same area or not. The vast majority of people who end up dead or injured by cops attacked first.

[@fclp67]

@@cstgraphpads2091 if you're not a bigot I don't know who is

[@Will-tm5bj]

A culture of "us vs. them"

[@lordmars8425]

your look like fantano if he decided to become a historian rather then a music critic.

[@CynicalHistorian]

that's a new one, LOL

[@The_Jackpurgis]

Oh boy, this will be a fun comment section.

[@thediversifier1739]

lol that was my first thought, racist meter 1-10

[@CynicalHistorian]

already had 2 racists, a denialist, and a bunch of people telling viewers what the video even though this video hasn't been out long enough for them to say so. To those people, bigots get banned

[@CynicalHistorian]

and I just found someone campaigning to kill cops. yep, bigots get banned

[@ah925]

The Cynical Historian you know you’ve made a good video when you piss off extremists on both sides

[@The_Jackpurgis]

@@CynicalHistorian Sad, but not surprising. This type of video attempting to give a larger context to a modern issue usually attracts these kinds of idiots.

[@KnowingBetter]

When talking about prohibition, you noted that jurisdictions that didn't enforce it saw less violent crime. But when talking about the drug war, you dismiss that connection. The murder rate rose with the overall crime rate during the 70s because drug-related murders were now a thing. Just like what happened during Prohibition, only everywhere.

[@CynicalHistorian]

murder rates began rise steeply around 1965. ODALE came in 1971. You could say the drug war exacerbated the issue of deindustrialization, but it's certainly not a direct cause of the crime wave. The drug war is a symptom, not a cause of the crime wave

[@cheddarcheeseisgood8030]

Ahhh yeah you sexy fella

[@TheRealDesiCNEC]

@@CynicalHistorian two of my favorite youtubers taking it off in the comments section. INTERESTING *grabs popcorn*

[@the_exegete]

Or maybe the massive increase in the numbers of cars on the road following WW2, all spewing lead poisoned exhaust, created people generally more violent who came of age around the mid-sixties? It's not like illegal drugs and networks to smuggle and sell them didn't exist before the 70s. And then after leaded gasoline was banned in the mid-seventies by total coincidence the massive crime rate dropped twenty years later. That was also not because illegal drugs and their sellers stopped being a thing. I'm sure this is all overdetermined stuff but if you're gonna pick one main cause of the increase in violence and crime no factor tracks with the crime rate better than levels of lead exposure. There's basically no statistical reason to think enforcement had much to do with it.

[@seastormsinger]

@@the_exegete I mean, it could also just be a consequence of the trauma of living through two world wars and a great depression leading to widespread mental health issues that were left completely unaddressed. Even non-combatants probably had unacknowledged PTSD from wartime restrictions, not t mention the mental strain of living through the great depression, something that we simply have not had on the same scale since. The kids raised by the mentally scarred parents could easily have absorbed that and acted out violently as young adults, exacerbating the problem.

[@inferno0020]

When the US policemen idolize the Punisher, you know something isn’t right.

[@golem5809]

They WHAT?

[@sprontos]

Yup

[@donalny]

The excuse was even worse in my opinion. "We didn't know about the comic book character". So you just thought it was OK for police officers to display a death's head on their uniforms and vehicles? Really?

[@golem5809]

@@donalny Maybe they really had another deaths-head association in their heads all along, if you know, what I mean... wouldn't even surprise me, by now, tbh. :-/

[@donalny]

@@golem5809 "are we the baddies?"

[@Monroah]

Me: Oh sweet, Cypher uploaded a new vid. **Sees it's about policy brutality and 50 mins long** This is gonna be a *RIDE*

[@andrewputnam2717]

Thank you as someone who's dad has been a cop for 20 years seeing some of the news has ripped me to my core and then some. It was nice to see you go to the very core and history of these issues, even more than knowing better and the like. My greatest fear in these times is that were so busy trying to dumb down problems to find simple solutions that misses the point entirely it's very refreshing to see people like you truly break down the problem. Again thank you.

[@austinhornbeck5060]

I feel bad for what has been happening to you so I decided to finally join your patreon. It isn't a lot but I hope it helps. Also great video as well.

[@CynicalHistorian]

thank you

[@HistoryandHeadlines]

It baffles me what videos are and are not demonetized. For example, I have a video on Lincoln that shows nothing graphic, etc., but it's not monetized. And yes, like the narrator says, I too have also had videos that were manually reviewed for monetization get demonetized later as well. Anyway, whether I agree with or disagree with any given topic, I generally don't want stuff demonetized as it is sort of a form of censorship by discouraging historians on KZbin from covering certain topics due to the expense and time of making videos. As relates to the video, I actually had the opportunity to both shadow a couple police officers on separate occasions and experience the shoot/don't shoot training (kind of like an interactive video game mirrored with a batting cage in that it actually fired things back at you). It was a pretty eye-opening experience of what it is like to deal with the public at its worst and how difficult it is to make a split-second decision with regards to the simulations. I have also had the opportunities to teach incarcerated students and do charitable activity in some of the more impoverished areas of Cleveland. So, it is interesting experiencing these issues from multiple first hand experiences engaging with both law enforcement and prisoners alike to learn from their experiences. My take-away is that what people are seeing on the news is incomplete and in some cases even inaccurate, whether it be CNN, Fox, or MSNBC, i.e. regardless of which perspective each particular network has, I have found that they slant things and misrepresent things. I would urge anyone to go out and learn from a mix of personal experiences and watching complete videos of any given incident to analyze for yourself rather than relying on any TV personality to do the analysis for you. Stay safe everyone!

[@gracchus_gaius9569]

Thank you for having the courage to tackle this issue from an academic perspective and shedding light for those willing to listen

[@mylesjude233]

Same, we appreciate your effort placed in this topic.

[@toddbothersome9351]

I absolutely love this channel. Cypher has tremendous tact, even when tackling such polarizing issues.

[@mahonishizumi6276]

the massive armament of the police was a response to the 1997 North Hollywood shootout. That was an embarrassment to the police. Their pistols and shotguns had no effect on the two robbers in heavy bullet-resistant armor and they were pinned down by the two robbers with two Type 56 LMGs. The LAPD officers on the scene had to run to the nearby gun shop just to get something that can penetrate the armor. The shootout lasted 44 min and the 11 members were wound. Let's say police departments forgot to put a cap on their armament upgrade and forgot to turn on passive mode ever since that incident.

[@mahonishizumi6276]

still. Many respects for talking about this. Learned a lot from your vid.

[@redcoatgaming4141]

Still no excuse of arming the police to that scale Hell the Uk had to deal with IRA terrorists for years and the PSNI is not armed to that scale

[@CynicalHistorian]

I talk about it for quite a bit in this video

[@WatcherMovie008]

@@redcoatgaming4141 You forget this shooting happened AFTER the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban. And it happened in California, one of the most strictest states in terms of gun control laws. The shooting proved that criminals don't give a fuck about gun laws and will resort to anything regardless the crime.

[@frankiefierro7129]

@@WatcherMovie008 It doesn't really help that someone could easily drive into the next state and purchase them legally, at that time

[@racewiththefalcons1]

I feel like educational videos that Silicon Valley billionaires privately and arbitrarily determined should not be monetized are the videos we need to watch the most.

[@literallyme2071]

Let's defund YT and give all the money to Cypher. He deserves it.

[@jamesdragonforce]

And all the other creators that have been robbed blind.

[@thrownswordpommel7393]

Seize the means of monetization.

[@jamesdragonforce]

@@thrownswordpommel7393 Marx wouldn’t have said it any better.

[@therobro5089]

@@thrownswordpommel7393 wait a minute I’ve seen this before

[@peruamorrortubarrenetxea5300]

After watching the whole video, I must congratulate you, it's a really good one. I also agree with your conclusion, buy I would say the problem of violent policing should also be fought at a cultural level, since the violent manners of law enforcement not only have to do with militarization, but with a range of issues (from racism to virtual ignorance of police in handling difficult or high violence situations without escalating) which need to be tackled.

[@simmeredleaftea6676]

I just wanted to say -- as a fellow graduate student -- I really appreciated the extensive research you put into making this informative video! I actually assigned this video in my race and ethnicity class as a background to discuss the historical events leading up to our current crises in policing in the US. Looking forward to other videos you make!

[@CynicalHistorian]

glad to hear it. did the discussion go well?

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Leaving a comment for the algorithm. This is important content

[@DavidBentley23]

Wow...I did not expect this. Amazing job. I definitely look at defunding in a different light now.

[@davidmiranda9227]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@andersonandrighi4539]

I don't know if being born and raised in Rio de Janeiro made me jaded to police brutality or the fact some family members did serve in PMERJ, I do say I envy police brutality in the United States. Of course for a developed country America's is way behind Western Europe. The SWAT problem for example seems to be mission creep and lack of training. The Federal gov. is all about giving expensive military gear to police department all over the country but requiring training and investing in the individual is way below their priority list

[@lostsaxon7478]

highly trained individuals held to a ethical standard are harder to turn against the people.

[@briannawaldorf8485]

I’ve heard police and gangs are bad depending on what parts of Brazil. I couldn’t imagine. I hope you guys can get reform too

[@maxwelljarowey2612]

The USA should not have 3th world problems (no offense) most 3th world problems come from unstable government or war lords

[@TheCrotchetyoldwoman]

Hi Cypher, I'm going to be a pest again. I lived around NY city from 1965 to 1985. In NY city, at least, I think that historically "bad cops" have been a big part of the problem. There were precincts that as working class young female I was warned by co-workers and friends that it was not safe to go in because the cops were basically a criminal enterprise dealing drugs and running protection rackets. These cops had reputations for being extremely violent and prone to misbehave towards the women they viewed as relatively powerless. This is a big cause of the us versus them mentally you spoke of and yes I totally agree the whole language of war on crime and militarization of the police leads to an attitude of a war on the people. Serpico complained of this kind of thing. The Knapp commission had pictures of cops dealing drugs out of police cars. I've had cops warn me about the 70th precinct in Brooklyn. 20 years after I was warned about that precinct the Abner Louima torture incident happened. Governor Cuomo has brought that incident up several times during press conferences recently. Probably the most upsetting thing about that evil incident is every cop in the station had to have some idea it was going on. Movies like "Cop Land" and "Ft. Apache, the Bronx" make similar claims. I already brought up the Knapp commission which was in the early 1970's, but in 1994 the Mollen commission had found little changed. If you look at the Wikipedia page on corruption in the NYPD you will see it goes on and on. The problem isn't so much the "bad cops" or the "rotten precincts," but the police officers who while not corrupt themselves supporting their union defending and protecting the bad ones and not shielding and defending the whistleblowers. Listen to police talk about internal affairs sometime. If they had the right kind of pride they would be supportive of stopping other cops from besmirching the badge, but they in general hate internal affairs and loath cops who snitch on fellow officers. Also I think New York city doesn't want to pay the lawsuits being honest about this problem would generate. The thing is I don't think this is just New York phenomenon. And so many of the cops involved in these violent incidents turn out to have had problems before and in New Yorkat least to be from "bad precincts." Anyhow until we make using a badge to shake down businesses for money or to cover drug dealing and prostitution rings or even just using the badge as an excuse to get away with nasty bullying a major crime searched out and strongly punished, you will have decent kids who grow up in these neighborhoods hating the police with a passion. And even good cops may then overreact to the disrespectful, angry, attitude these kids will show them. And the cycle of police violence and violence towards the police will continue.

[@nate1066pollock]

I'm more on the side of rethink funding police, as in how the funding is used. And I agree that a big problem is the police culture. Police should be more invested in the communities they protect. So, I think funding should go more to training. Leadership training, de-escalation training. Also funding mental health care & monitoring for police. Community outreach programs for police. Everything focused on breaking down the "us vs them" mentality.

[@dianeshelton9592]

Nathan Pollock no I don’t see why everything is a concern of the police. There are well trained specialists in drug work, youth work, social care, mental heath care , there is often no reason for any policeman/woman to be involved in that and therefore no need to train policemen to do them to a lesser degree than those who have trained their whole life to do. For policeman read either sex in future. The police are there to serve the community they serve, they are not at war with that community and need to learn to police by consent as many police do world wide. The relationship between such police forces and their communities is much better with police often carrying no weapons at all. The police also know the community has their back should they ever be at risk. Witness the recent London Bridge terrorism attack. A policeman had recently been killed to much distress in the local community. Come an other terrorist trying to fill the last failed incident and the public took on the terrorist with Narwhal tusks, fire extinguishers and chairs until the police could safely come to deal with him. Interestingly some of those most active in the attack on the terrorist were on probation or recent immigrants. The attackers had no fear the police would kill them in error and knew the police would be coming eventually , I think within 12 minutes , eventually the terrorist was shot by the police as he threatened to set off a suicide belt. My point being in the US would people step up to protect the police similarly given the polices antagonism towards their community and also would the people in the US trust the police not to kill them thinking they were part of the problem. If by the way you feel the need to insert black or white into that last sentence, that right there is the problem. By the way the few bad apples argument has been roundly debunked by the lack of good apples challenging the bad apples. No defund the police, not everything is a police problem. Let experts do their jobs well with the money recovered from the inflated police budgets. Destroy the military equipment the police have and get the police to police by consent. Any policeman who objects is welcome to leave or be sacked.

[@leto.o5759]

diane shelton Could you please simplify what you mean because i have no idea what you just ranted about. Except that u want to defund the police.

[@dianeshelton9592]

Heil Kaiser Leto if you have problems reading perhaps you don’t belong on a comment thread on you tube. I have nothing more to add, try reading it again, it’s very clear.

[@leto.o5759]

@@dianeshelton9592 If youre to lazy to make it easier to digest i am to lazy to read it again. Only fair isnt it?

[@dianeshelton9592]

Heil Kaiser Leto except you missed out with your laziness to understand what “ defund the police “ is all about, be better educate your self.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

2 men rob a bank in California, 80,000 cops become equipped as a paramilitary force as a reaction.

[@chicken5711]

North hollywood shoutout

[@absollum]

Remember only two people died, and those two were the robbers.

[@phouleSk8s]

@@absollum uhhhhh where are you getting the statistics that only two people were killed during that back robbery? What you fail to mention is how two men held down an entire ill-equipped police force and sent the entire civil population of california into a panic. You also completely botched paramilitary btw. Can't be paramilitary if you're funded by the public and are held to a mandate.

[@absollum]

@@phouleSk8s because the video and other sources have the only casualties listed as the two robbers. The police force did an incredible job at ensuring that other's didn't die. There were injuries of course, but considering the situation the police were in, that's surprising. I'm not trying to demean the police in that situation. They should have at least one higher powered weapon in cases such as these. Not sure why you came after me specifically.

[@phouleSk8s]

@@absollum I targeted you specifically because well like most people beating your chest about law enforcement you call them paramilitary. Yet just now you want to praise them for their work? I'm lost..... what point are you trying to make. Because it is fact that since the uparmement of police in California police fatalities from gunshots have gone down. Since then the north Hollywood Bank robbery hasn't been repeated. Come on seriously.

[@absolutshadow876]

Wow, I am so sorry to hear about this. Your explanation regarding what is going on with KZbin blows my mind.

[@TheSgtFarmer]

This is seriously one of the best videos on KZbin. This historical context is invaluable to solving issues America faces today.

[@holyfreak8]

Many complain about "woke" youtube, and they are right! in the light of how hard is to post video documentaries, not just in this channel.

[@Larkinchance]

I live on Cape Cod, separated from urban concentrations such as Boston by 2 bridges and a hundred miles. Recently they've been up-grading and rebuilding police stations on the Cape. I visited the new station on a small civil inquiry. I was confronted by a one inch plate glass with a micro-phone in the center. Below were large drawers for securely passing objects from one side to the other. This is a very low crime area and I felt like I was breaching a fortress.. I looked at the officer on the other side of the glass and made a quizzical comment, “Expecting trouble?” Am I wrong to believe that our police department is suppose to be part of our community..not an enemy out post.

[@jacobsirois7585]

Thank you for an excellent out line of the militarization of the US police. I've been harping on this for years!

[@Tosei0816]

The effort to put this video up is greatly appreciated, I thought it will never come out. Patreoned.

[@tomservo5007]

I'm convinced that YT's manual review team is outsourced to non-english speaking countries, to save money. The reviewers either rely on auto-generated transcripts or simply don't speak english. While I don't produce videos, my account was suspended for 'hate speech'. Of course they don't tell you what comments were flagged or what channel the comment was on. After 3 days, it was determined I didn't violate any community guidelines.

[@Crafty_Spirit]

That seems plausible as facebook was confirmed to do this. People from poorer countries or with low qualifications end up with the highly stressful job of removing content like torturing of animals and abuse of children. Wonder what horrors the anynoymous content managers on yt have to witness.

[@lordtrigon1733]

I am sorry to see you lose faith in this platform, as a foreigner this channel has probably taught me more about U.S history than anywhere else and so I thank you for your years of hard work and while I don’t have much to give I will join patreon and give what I can in the hopes that you continue to provide content.

[@salsamonkey65]

I don't think Americans really believe in the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" if the treatment of protesters is anything to go by. Thank you for making such important content.

[@connorhennessey1316]

Close, the Americans that are angry at the George Floyed protesters believe they arealready guilty for just being at a protest. Guilty of what is never said out loud. They just believe protesters are guilty and must be punished.

[@kyledonahue9315]

I don’t think that anyone has unclean hands in that regards. We humans tend to be fickle, hypocritical creatures and controlled more by our passions than cold reason. It’s laws and social custom that give us the opportunity to reign in our worst impulses and build something akin to a just society.

[@lostsaxon7478]

Nothing wrong with peaceful protests, not going to come to the aid of people who set things on fire and destroy property nor the "peaceful" people who absolutely refuse to stop them.

[@Nostripe361]

The problem isn't just in America. Around the world, increasingly with the advent of the internet, social mob justice as has gotten popular. People are sometimes treated as guilty just due to being accused. I mean how many times have you seen people get mobbed online for even a hint of controversy or possible criminal behavior. I hate to use this example since it is a thorny one, but sexual assualt/rape accusations are a major accusation that suffers from this. Before evidence is even gathered or the person convicted, most people assume the man is guilty the moment he is accused of it. There are even stories of men, after proving their innocence, still being treated with suspicion or hostility. And before you accuse me, I am not saying we shouldn't take accusations seriously nor am I complaining about women in anyway. I am just saying that people should not just assume guilt till it is proven.

[@lostsaxon7478]

@@Nostripe361 even if guilt is proven, the violence is outright denied. Watching the streams of Portland at the Federal courthouse from the protesters themselves, they are rioting almost every night and trying to breach the building and setting things on fire. The people who do these things are never stopped by the "peaceful" ones, which makes them complicit and is a problem itself within police which is ironic. You cannot go to a protest at a government building, refuse to stop people who are trying or are initiating violence towards police that are in your crowd and cry foul when you get tear gassed.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

The fact that thia has so little views kills me. This is, by far, the best piece on the subject on the platform.

[@cjclark2002]

It’s an attack on the citizens, it’s no coincidence my friend.

[@zj13goat57]

The us throwing more at the police after they fail is like pushing harder to get a square block in a circle hole

[@worldofdoom995]

"cops need more training" - cuts police budget by 50% -shootings skyrocket because cops now have no hand to hand training -suprised pikachu face

[@the_exegete]

@@worldofdoom995 Yeah man, cops were all learning karate before those budget cuts happened. In a handful of cities. And only because those city's municipal budget shortfalls forced the cuts, rather than anything motivated by ideology. Please stop lying.

[@lostbutfreesoul]

@@worldofdoom995 , The United States puts far to much responsibilities onto the shoulders of their police officers. If you dig through the raw data and statistics you can see for yourself that the number of criminal acts, that is actual laws broken, is a shockingly small compared to the number of non-criminal acts. Yet we don't just expect the police to respond to every dispute, no matter how minor, but to make an arrest or do something about it. This means we have armed police officers, trained to deal with violent crime, responding to some very petty things. Wouldn't it be better to create task-forces specifically designed to deal with these 'civil disputes?' Then we could better train our officers because they won't have to be 'generalists' but 'specialists!' P.S: Sleep well at night after doing that research, you will find just how many of those criminal acts go 'unsolved!'

[@DrSanity7777777]

At the time of the Constitution's ratification, the office of sheriff was an appointed position, and constables were either elected or drafted from the community to serve without pay. Most of their duties involved civil executions rather than criminal law enforcement. The courts of that period were venues for private litigation - whether civil or criminal - and the state was rarely a party. Professional police as we know them today originated in American cities during the second quarter of the nineteenth century, when municipal governments drafted citizens to maintain order. The role of these "nightly watch" officers gradually grew to encompass the catching of criminals, which had formerly been the responsibility of individual citizens. "No man can pretend to say that the peace and good order of the community is so secure with soldiers quartered in the body of a city as without them. Besides, where military power is introduced, military maxims are propagated and adopted, which are inconsistent with and must soon eradicate every idea of civil government. Do we not already find some persons weak enough to believe, that an officer is oblig'd to obey the orders of his superior, tho' it be even AGAINST the law! And let any one consider whether this doctrine does not directly lead even to the setting up that superior officer, whoever he may be, as a tyrant. It is morever to be observ'd that military government and civil, are so different from each other, if not opposite, that they cannot long subsist together. Soldiers are not govern'd properly by the laws of their country, but by a law made for them only: This may in time make them look upon themselves as a body of men different from the rest of the people; and as they and they only have the sword in their hands, they may sooner or later begin to look upon themselves as the LORDS and not the SERVANTS of the people: Instead of enforcing the execution of law, which by the way is far from being the original intent of soldiers, they may refuse to obey it themselves: Nay, they may even make laws for themselves, and enforce them by the power of the sword! Such instances are not uncommon in history, and they always will happen when troops are put under the direction of an ambitious or a covetous governor!" - Samuel Adams (article in the Boston Gazette 1768

[@sunnohh]

KZbin literally gave me two warnings before watching this, good job Cypher!

[@CynicalHistorian]

Thanks. After such suppression, i feel vindicated that I'm doing right and Team KZbin truly fears history itself

[@centurionzen1005]

Brilliant video sir! Well researched, well written & touches on what people are already saying! You've really outdone yourself this time! Even's the memes were well-timed! I'm going to share this video as much as I could help it, it's important.

[@donk100100]

I believe John Adams said "facts are stubborn things" so I can accept historical facts or research and determine someone is wrong or vice versa. I know some history and continue to read different source materials to check truths or falsehoods. I trust your historical perspective, Cypher, because state facts and not opinions or biases. We may not always like the facts but they are what they are.

[@Mitchmeow]

And that right there is why it's important to really study history, because you have to get the facts, not just somebody's portrayal of the facts.

[@donk100100]

In our society, people want to absorb snippets in media, short articles that is their truth, or on this platform. I was taught to check and re-check sources for accuracy and whether they were written by knowledgeable people in their field or just spouting opinions.

[@Mitchmeow]

@@donk100100 If only more people were willing to put in that effort (it's really not that hard), I feel like we would all be better off.

[@DavidSmith-ss1cg]

I learned that 'Learning' is a life-long thing, and if you don't keep learning, you start dying. I think that one drawback of America's mandatory educational systems is that people will think that it's unfair, and the people who finish 'Haw Skew' often think, "OK, I got my diploma, I'm ready to take over the world!', not knowing how shoddy and backwards the US schools are. In most states, the main reason for high school is so communities will have their own football teams. I learned about European school systems almost 50 years ago, and I kinda hoped we(the US) would "Get It" and try to improve the quality of the schools. At that time, school systems were like the minor leagues for starting a political career. Instead, there was an attack on education, as if the college protests against the Vietnam War were the student's fault. Whatever happened, now there's not even a late-night TV show host trying to turn people's attention to casual stupidity(like Jay Leno's "Jaywalking" segment on Monday nights). And the Chief Executive of the Free World is bragging about passing a Dementia test.

[@dpg227]

The same facts can be woven into opposing narratives based on the biases of the person telling the story.

[@juliarichardson1727]

This the best information I've seen on this topic, thank you.

[@waleedkhalid7486]

If every1 who sees this vid leaves a like and a comment, we can stroke the algorithm enough to get this enough attention for this.

[@jonathandavis5658]

Know it’s gonna be good when KZbin warns me twice before letting me watch the video! Keep it real man. Soon as I’m not living paycheck to paycheck yours is the first channel I plan to patronize.

[@onetoholddaline5089]

Also in the Army and taught the 5S's ROE, the only thing is when your out there everyone is carrying an AK and are usually at a distance so it gives you time to shout at them. But in the US, police are interacting with people 1-6 feet away may have pistol and can kill an officer in a split second. The police also only have soft discreet armor under their shirts and not wearing IOTVs with Sappy plates and ACHs. There are so many videos and accounts of officers just talking with a person and then next second the officer is shot. So I can see why they can be on edge because a gun or knife can pop out of nowhere and they can be killed.

[@jacoblee8922]

This is indeed a channel of history and learning. You covered some aspects that I missed growing up in the 80s 90s as a kid. I personally went through some of those injustices myself, and it's great to hear a level headed, fact driven explanation of that same time period. Great work, I hope your money catches up to your honesty. You should be RICH$$$

[@jacobhansen6039]

If you want to see how Portland oregon got to where it is at now, you need to see the history of the city and state. We were actually at one point the most segregated city west of the Mississippi dixon line. People refer to oregon as a watermelon because its green on the outside but red on the inside.

[@jacobhansen6039]

Right around the same time that the police department were getting more militarized, a new program was developed to reduce traffic fatalities due to inadequate care. This modern day EMS was born. But what also happened as it evolved, it merged with local fire departments for logistical purposes. However ems has still been able to be a separate entity. I wonder if the mentally of being a public service has anything to do with this. About 80% of assaults that happen in ems go unreported. But now they are starting to push towards militarization. Uniforms which resemble firedepartments are now resembling police uniforms. Even in Portland oregon, EMT's and paramedics have been given body armor to deal with the public ever since a paramedic was stabbed at a stop light by a homeless person. I wonder if there could be a study done that compares ems/firefighters with police and militarization. Also I'm curious what how military police statistics compare with civilian police statistics in areas of use of force

[@rangergxi]

The Portland situation is hilarious. Poor black people who want police reform butting heads with rich white people who want some kind of socialist revolution.

[@the_exegete]

@@rangergxi You're definitely not in Portland if you think that's what's defining the movement. Or that every white person in the streets is somehow rich, which you had to know was utter bullshit when you wrote it.

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

@@zoanth4 Studies also show that 100% of American fascists are rich Republicans.

[@davidtuttle7556]

@@AbbeyRoadkill1 actually most fascists are poor angry white men who were left behind by life as Hitler was after the Great War.

[@rubies2905]

That was incredibly informative and really well put together. THANK YOU 🙏 I will be donating for sure !

[@King-qv4up]

Imagine living 40 years ago with police who look like Business men than 40 years later they are full on military soldier

[@JulianSildenLanglo]

Man, KZbin made it really hard to actually play this video. I had to click through a warning multiple times.

[@lostsaxon7478]

Couple things, not a fan of the police myself due to their unconstitutional behavior. Never trusted them and this "Us Vs Them" mentality absolutely contributes to the problem. 1) police are under trained significantly, firearms training is non existent (in NY they opted for atrociously heavy triggers that make marksmanship worse instead of training) as well as hand to hand training (it can be measured within 24hrs for most departments over an entire year), along with basic psychology and deescalation. Those factors create people who are not confident in their abilities which is psychologically proven to yield terrible results, especially if those people who are not confident are in positions of power/authority. 2) poverty is not a the problem alone, it is also the single motherhood rate as well as drug use rate in these areas along with child abuse. Statistically, it is proven to be exceptionally high in these areas. Psychologically, it is proven to yield terrible results and create a dangerous atmosphere. So, my questions would be. 1) how is defunding police who are criminally under trained due to corruption and politics going to make it better? 2) why is it that crime rates and the culture of these areas are blatantly ignored from the situation all together? They are not mindless children that need to be excused and treated as if they don't know any better and need to be coddled by the system, narratives as such are nothing short of a racist view that they are somehow lower and unable to take accountability for themselves. To fix the issue, many things need to be done. 1) get rid of their pseudo diplomatic immunity 2) get rid of the warrior mindset 3) actually train them to be CONFIDENT trained professionals, not just expect them to know everything without actual training. THEN, you can divert funds away to other things 4) accept the issues that exist in these communities and push for THEM to change alongside programs to improve daily life and infrastructure Throwing money at these communities without addressing their issues and defunding the police isn't going to do anything. It's going to make things worse.

[@dimtool]

I feel like you're almost there. As for question 2, have you stopped to consider that the "culture" of those areas has been developed over generations of arresting and murdering black men? Don't you think, if they were allowed to move freely up the social ladder, that their families over generations would improve their material conditions? Both are valid questionss that you pose but they're tied together and I think that's where the answers to your questions lie.

[@dimtool]

You're missing the point which is #1 is directly the cause of #2 - militarization of the police and systematic disenfranchisement leads to poor living conditions and poor life choices. See my first comment

[@lostbutfreesoul]

I am for splitting the Police Force into specialized teams, as is done in a lot of European Countries. That way you don't have police trained for violent crimes responding to 'civil issues.' I also have a problem with number 4, because I am from Australia and lived in Canada, both countries having a whole 'stolen generation' problem. I know that is an extreme example, where the government literally took children out of these communities to 'teach them better,' but it is always something that will come to mind when someone asks for a government to 'help those people to change their ways.' The methods put in place by our politicians in the past are the reason why those communities are the way they are today! If you want these communities to change you are going to have to address the poverty issue, because poor people have only terrible choices to choose from.

[@lostsaxon7478]

@@lostbutfreesoul I agree with the specialization, could have X number of individuals go get certified for certain situations and have them split on the shifts to deal with particular issues. The other thing, I agree to an extent. Many previous decisions made things worse, however giving them money isn't the answer. Increased funding is part of the answer, however there's still a cultural problem that they themselves will have to want to change. It's not uncommon at all for people to refuse to cooperate with police on a murder investigation. It's quite sick to watch, they'll scream and holler at the death of someone they know then direct anger towards police and refuse to cooperate even when they know exactly who killed that someone. That's not a money issue, that's a cultural issue that HAS to be resolved. Both sides need to give and work together. Also, I was born in poverty to a family of drunks and drug addicts. I only have a single speeding ticket, don't do drugs and rarely ever drink more than one beer every few months or so. Add child abuse to that equation as well. This is a complex issue that needs to be addressed on all fronts.

[@monkeyman321]

I can't get tired of watching all your videos over and over again. Instead of music, I listen to your rants/lectures. Worth every second.

[@scottcorkern777]

the 60's crime wave may have been a result of the baby boom creating more young people. our new lesser crime rate has also been said to be a result of older population.

[@Seek1878]

"our new lesser crime rate has also been said to be a result of older population. Freakonomics attributed that to legal abortion, actually.

[@arax20]

This is a great video. Most of the videos found by searching for info on police brutality are 2-3 minutes long. Like wtf, how is it possible to gain even a surface level understanding of such a thorny and complex subject in 2-3 minutes. Most media in general these days don't seek to inform but rather to cater and sensationalize. I salute you for what you do and I think it is a real shame that you are being prejudiced against by the algorithm. I won't be taking your word as complete factual gospel but the difference in value of your videos compared to the ones suggested by youtube is readily apparent.

[@markwilliams2620]

Don't be sorry. Gates deserves to be grainy, grumbly and left in the last century. Edit: Amazing how alcohol is never included in the "War on Drugs (TM)". I work in an ED. Guaranteed to have a drunk seeking help every shift. No potheads. Congrats on the fellowship. Gleefully corrupt those little minds.

[@whm_w8833]

Coded Perfection well, we didn’t criminalize DUI until moms against drunk driving came

[@markwilliams2620]

@@whm_w8833 I'll make distinction between getting blasted at home as opposed to operating a 3000# missle blasted. You do have a point with MADD. Of course they disbanded once they got DUI laws in all states. Nope? Power and money corrupts? Who knew?

[@markwilliams2620]

@Coded Perfection Opiods. Big pharma is making major cash by killing us.

[@markwilliams2620]

@Coded Perfection I miss Tom Petty, Prince, Heath Ledger, Phillip Seymour Hoffman...etc. Not to mention all the famalies who lost people. Opiods stop your heart and respiration and it is too easy to OD. So no....can't go with ya there. Coke heads wasting themselves? Not a problem. Signed, A recovering boozehound

[@markwilliams2620]

@Coded Perfection Good for them. My Mom tried that after knee replacement. Lasted 2 days. Then she started the oxy. Then she decided to clean and organize the house. We still haven't found some stuff. I had to give her the "why stoners shouldn't organize stuff" talk. We use a pain pump that injects opiod into the site. Works well and is virtually junkie proof. Beyond that, Dr's need to not perscribe 30 day supplies. And people with severe chronic pain need to be educated on the lethality of what they have. No adding other stuff. Goodnight.

[@trashasaurus]

One of the most important KZbin videos I've ever seen, bravo.

[@cheddarcheeseisgood8030]

Us police acting more like the R.I.C special reserve (black and tans)

[@MistressMandi]

Thank you for the video. I will be sharing it far and wide.

[@jimmyjam2540]

I lean towards the right and am here to learn more about the problem not many republicans including myself have believed in but I still am putting effort into learning the lefts point of view. Not all of us are completely stubborn. Remember that. We can all come together.

[@thisissparta789789]

What happened in Uvalde is the perfect example of why there are too many levels of policing in the US in my previous comment. Uvalde had a city police department, the Uvalde school district had a tiny police department of its own, the county Uvalde was in has a sheriff’s office, and of course state and federal resources came in. (Btw props to Border Patrol for actually doing their jobs and not standing around like cowards.) Uvalde’s tiny school district police were the agency in charge despite not having the resources nor the qualifications to run a major incident like a mass shooting. Hell, the chief of Uvalde ISD PD didn’t even have a radio when he first arrived at Robb Elementary School. He never passed command to someone that was more qualified, nor did he delegate duties to more qualified individuals. While the poor command structure isn’t the only thing that Uvalde police did wrong that day, it was a major contributing factor. There are 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the US. That number can and should be reduced heavily to better allocate police funding, get more qualified people in charge, conduct better in-service training, and not only save the lives of regular citizens, but maybe even officers themselves.

[@williammcharg4982]

The fact that this video was demonetized and I had got a warning upon clicking it is insane. Joe Rogan clips where they speculate on harmful conspiracy theories are up just fine. Yet a well researched thoughtful video on police brutality is allowed to stay up

[@YNWA442]

God bless you for telling the truth. As a black person living in America I am very scared of police especially when they are behind me.

[@Mitchmeow]

Thank you for this video. I feel like too many prominent names in the Historical KZbinr community have been decidedly silent on these issues, perhaps hoping not to stir up controversy or thinking that these topics are not relevant to their channel's sphere. The thing is I think that historically educated perspectives are fundamental to helping everyone understand what's happening, and why. Because when you look at the historical facts, all controversy evaporates. The Civil War was fought over slavery and the South's explicit interest in preserving and expanding the institution, no credible historian would deny that. Reconstruction was bungled and resulted in the implementation of Jim Crow laws across the South, meant to keep people of color in their place at the bottom of society. While the Civil Rights Movement of the 20th Century did much to right these wrongs, it's not like it completely erased the stain of systemic racism from our society like it was in a Tide commercial, but many Americans seem to think it did. People need to understand the context of history in order to truly understand the world we live in today. I've always believed that the antidote to fear and hatred is education. Thank you for educating people, especially when others like you seem to be too scared to try.

[@SirHector1999]

I love your channel man, I learn so much from you. As a soon to be history teacher myself I take great inspiration from you.

[@FerintoshFarmsPhotography]

Your dorky holding a cat laugh is the best thing ever

[@stevenwilliams9413]

A wee bit of a year later with this crap algorithm, this is still a very well done video and incredibly well sourced. If KZbin ever gets something right, they would review their algorithm’s losing streak. Thank you, Cypher.

[@1musichombre]

Thanks for the unvarnished. Unpoliticized full story. GBU

[@dominicbuffa2457]

So informative, I wish everyone was required to listen to this. Thank you

[@NewGenMindset]

You do such a fantastic job sir.

[@mavrick195]

Implied immunity has always been my biggest hang up with the current system. If we as service members pulled 1/4 of shit the police get away w/ our ass would be in Leavenworth, striped of rank & pension. PD on the other hand gets PAID admin leave, back pay, and a letter of recommendation to another department

[@matthewct8167]

Is it just me or are things getting worse (besides Covid 19)?

[@worldofdoom995]

@stockart whiteman there are no oppressors in the US. if you can get college scholarships and preferential hiring. YOU ARE THE OPPRESSOR.

[@fedorajones9590]

@@worldofdoom995 hey Cypher we got another one for the ban list

[@worldofdoom995]

@@fedorajones9590 wahhh I can't come up with an argument ban him!

[@worldofdoom995]

@stockart whiteman we are not a direct democracy. so yes we have the electoral college. don't like it? leave. If 20 other people can do your job for half the pay no amount of union whining will protect your job. fifty years ago Black families were actually BETTER off financially and far more intact. Then welfare got passed and breaking up families became incentives. we have more people of color in congress, boardrooms, and media, but it will never be enough will it? were just as bad as we were 200 years ago. will black people still be oppressed if they get 150 million dollars each like college professors are demanding? I have more education in my pinky then you do in your whole oxygen deprived brain.

[@worldofdoom995]

@stockart whiteman guess you either can't read or changed your name to fedora Jones.

[@erinwright345]

Commenting for the algorithm. Thank you for the hard work, love your content!

[@skskk6834]

Hi Cynical! I watched the full video and totally agree on how everything came to be, but I don’t agree that the answer to police brutality is to defund the police, because I believe the quality of the police is a big factor for the abuse of power and I don’t think taking the equipment and pay away from them would better their quality or tactics. So my answer to the problem, would be to boost spending in de-escalation training and concentrate the training with the regular police in general on non-lethality, but still keeping the lethal options in mind. P.S. The video was non the less great so keep them coming!

[@the_exegete]

Yeah man, the problem is that we need to give cops more money. Obviously the issue is that they're only earning 6 figures with a massive pension after 20 years to beat the shit out of the poor and minorities. If we upped those paychecks their mission to beat and oppress people inconvenient to capital would definitely go more peacefully.

[@skskk6834]

The Exegete. At what point did I talk about raising their pay? And i’m pretty sure that it’s average salary. Meaning it’s about 50-60k

[@willywitchdoctor]

@@the_exegete give his comment a reread and calm down

[@Chicago_Podcast_Authority]

brilliant work my friend. please don't be discouraged from future epic essays due to youtube being youtube

[@gkichok2]

Brilliant effort and so much work. I've never seen anything close to this well structured and massive amount of information presented here. Very well done!

[@lukaslambs5780]

Interesting content as always. A sincere thank you for your sacrifice and service in the military and also for educating people which is another immeasurably valuable service to provide for the world. I think it is interesting that as a veteran you have the beliefs that you do, since most current and former military members I have talked to seem to be much less critical of the police. As far as defunding the police is concerned, I get what you are saying but am concerned that many police departments are not properly training their officers and equipping them with body cameras. I think improved allocation of resources within police departments (pressure training, deescalation, non lethal restraint etc) would save a lot of lives and do a lot of good! Basically what I’m saying is I’m worried defunding the police may have the unintended consequence of creating more inadequately trained officers not prepared for difficult situations.

[@peruamorrortubarrenetxea5300]

27:21 I still fail to understand why Ronald Reagan has such a good reputation has President, since his presidency seems one of the most harmful ones to an outsider. Yet american people who I talk to, and not only hardline conservatives, seem to view him as positive. Could any usonian point out why is he so renowned?

[@CynicalHistorian]

you know usonian is an architectural term right? And I'd say he's remembered for ending the tumult of the Crisis of Confidence. Everyone just forgets how he ended it

[@peruamorrortubarrenetxea5300]

@@CynicalHistorian It was invented by Frank Lloyd Wright, I'm aware of it, but he himself kept it for general usage beyond architecture, and I think it's the most appropriate demonym. Thanks for the answer. It's always baffling to see how collective memory seems to leave out important elements of judgement.

[@CynicalHistorian]

@@peruamorrortubarrenetxea5300 welcome to history, where historians aren't listened to in favor of myth-making

[@rangergxi]

Reagan is the guy who "defeated the USSR" and dragged the Republican Party from the depths of despair by embracing evangelicalism.

[@peruamorrortubarrenetxea5300]

@@CynicalHistorian I'm a university student of History myself, so I can sadly relate to it. It gets really frustrating.

[@SaintSteven67]

I would mark this in the top three of your best videos. It shows an unrealistic over-reaction to a few isolated instances. I disagreed partly when you kept equating poverty with crime because there are so many other factors such as family life, lack of a father figure (which LBJ's Great Society contributed to), but the Drug War, the "Us vs. Them" mentality has played huge roles in how policing is done. And you were dead on about Police Unions. Our mayor in Tulsa, OK has been trying to create a Citizens Review Board on police for accountability, but the FOP opposes it big time. One thing sorely missing is real accountability because while cops usually hate IA people, it is still cops policing the cops (and this cuts to other professions, too like Physicians, Lawyers, Nurses, etc). Great job. Still a Patreon Member and will continue, so keep making them. As for KZbin, they have been pushing demonetizing ever since Google bought them. A couple of other KZbin Channels I follow are going through the same shit. When you bring traffic into their service, you should get a piece of the pie they run in advertising and subscriptions. This once was a platform for the little guy, and it has deteriorated into a huge corporate behemoth.

[@jamesdragonforce]

It’s never been more obvious now, even to me, just to the degree which most Americans have been completely oblivious to how eerily close modern police are to a standing army on our own turf. Pretty sure even the founders, with all their racist faults, (in regards to standing armies (Washington being an exception) would be horrified.

[@worldofdoom995]

until Washington led US troops to quash an open rebellion over a whisky tax. but sure keep lying.

[@trey5747]

ShreddingSkeptic I mean Washington was still pretty racist but I agree with u

[@jamesdragonforce]

frankcastle498 Bad grammar on my part. You forgot Shay’s Rebellion.

[@rangergxi]

@@worldofdoom995 He had to mobilize an army for that. Not really the same as having a permanent standing army occupying everything.

[@rangergxi]

@@718junius It's kinda hard to make a context of his time argument one way or another. Abolition was pretty popular in liberal circles by 1776 and by 1805 the slave trade was abolished. On the other hand, he was a tobacco farmer that treated his slaves well for his time. However, he belonged to a Virginia planter class that basically organized the pro-slavery position into a political movement.

[@stephenhanan8611]

I love your emphasis on ending the us vs them. Great video.

[@Seek1878]

The Punisher thing with cops is just amusing to me. Never mind that the Punisher himself hates cops who do that (explicitly shown in the comics, lol, he confronts a cop and tears off the skull logo from the police car). Gerry Conway, co-creator of The Punisher, is raising money for BLM via skull t-shirts that support BLM and decries the symbol being co-opted by 'forces of oppression.' In his words: ""For too long, symbols associated with a character I co-created have been co-opted by forces of oppression and to intimidate black Americans. This character and symbol was never intended as a symbol of oppression. This is a symbol of a systematic failure of equal justice. It’s time to claim this symbol for the cause of equal justice and Black Lives Matter." www.customink.com/fundraising/black-lives-matter-skulls-for-justice-presented-by-gerry-conway

[@fclp67]

Thank you for this video Cypher. Powerful message.

[@robertgale2779]

speaking of historical violence, i would assume that you often don;t take video requests, but if you're looking for a topic for an up coming video. Would you be willing to touch on the history of polygamy/Mormonism in the 1800's-1900's could be a very informative and widely unknown part of US history, and how polygamy was one of the biggest political issues of the 1800s along sides slavery and native peoples, that cause a lot of massacres, bounties, and the formation of the great state of Deseret, which later would become Nevada, Utah, Colorado and Arizona. Though most people today dont know about the Mormon bounties or the Mountain Meadows massacre, or how the Mormons tried to found their own nation state, than tried to run for president.

[@CynicalHistorian]

I'm actually about Utah altogether in my dissertation. It's like a different world from the rest of the Southwest

[@robertgale2779]

@@CynicalHistorian and a totally unknown one, I'm a "Mormon" myself in that I don't follow the religion but I still call myself a member and would consider them my people, and even I didn't know about how big a role we played in the founding and later "taming" of the West until just recently as our schools never even mention the salt lake Valley and we ourselves don't like to discuss early Mormon ways as it involves a lot of hard topics and deaths.

[@FoxMacLeod2501]

I enjoy your work, and I'm glad you're doing it, but I gotta tell ya it would be a much easier watch if the captions stuck around long enough to read. Just a thought.

[@lynyamasaki4045]

Commenting for support, and the mighty algorithm

[@blazodeolireta]

As he^ said.

[@waltervargas57]

Why did KZbin flag this as inappropriate? It’s literally it’s just history…

[@thepuncakian2024]

45:40 You hit the nail right on the head there. Police go where the crime is, the crime is where the poverty is, and the poverty is where the minorities are. However, you claim this is evidence of systemic racism. What do you actually mean by systemic racism? If you think systemic racism means that previous institutions throughout American history designed to target African Americans such as slavery, Jim Crow laws, and redlining have influenced the racial inequality today (which is the definition I subscribe to), then absolutely, I 100% agree with you. However, if you think systemic racism means that institutions that purposely target African Americans exist to this day, then I 100% disagree with you. For example, as you pointed out, the war on drugs disproportionately affects African Americans because a disproportionate amount of African Americans use drugs. Is this inherently racist? Was the war on drugs really a scheme to suppress the African American community? I think not. You haven't provided any evidence to suggest that this is the case, and the idea seems highly unlikely. If you were to have a law that forbids the parents of Christian Scientists from denying medical care to their children, was that law made to persecute Christian Scientists? The more likely reason is that it was created to save the lives of these children. In this regard, the war on drugs is no different.

[@mrdeeds72]

Thanks for this video. I am reconsidering my views on targeted defunding of the police. Very compelling arguments on police culture.

[@dylanbednarz4430]

when talking about Foucault I was surprised you didn't Foucault's boomerang where military tactics used on foreigners on eventually used on civilians if I remember correctly; if I misremembered the definition please correct me.

[@CynicalHistorian]

I don't remember that in _Discipline and Punish._ Definitely not in my notes, but I wrote those 5 years ago. Is that in a different book?

[@dylanbednarz4430]

@@CynicalHistorian The idea came from a lecture by Foucault where he said "that while colonization, with its techniques and its political and juridical weapons, obviously transported European models to other continents, it also had a considerable boomerang effect on the mechanisms of power in the West, and on the apparatuses, institutions, and techniques of power. A whole series of colonial models was brought back to the West, and the result was that the West could practice something resembling colonization, or an internal colonialism, on itself" basically meaning that the techniques of used overseas are eventually brought home.

[@CynicalHistorian]

@@dylanbednarz4430 does that lecture have a name? I'd like to get it. I use a lot of Foucauldian theory in my academic work

[@dylanbednarz4430]

@@CynicalHistorian yeah it was part of series of lectures the fifth and it was titled ‘Il faut défendre la société’ (‘Society must be defended’)

[@CynicalHistorian]

@@dylanbednarz4430 thanks

[@tomhancock8184]

I have watched many of your excellent videos over the last few months and I have to say this one is perhaps the most important one so far. I have seen other videos and heard commentators draw a similar conclusion that the militarization of the police has lead to, but of course is not the only cause, of the divide we see between the public and the police. Yes, you are correct, we have to get pas the notion of good cops and bad cops and the tired old 'a few bad apples' argument and correct the culture that has consumed law enforcement. In other words, police are police, not soldiers and should act accordingly. Speaking of soldiers, thank you for your service to our country. Tom

[@WatcherMovie008]

I disagree on the idea to defunding the police out of the fear that defunding with indirectly lead to a much worse situation (total police nation walk out). If that occurs, who watching our local state and federal prison systems? God forbid that the protestors actually do something stupid and free those people because of "systematic/ancestral racism". My dad has two safes full of firearms and I will say this, despite living in California, if the entire CA police force walks out and says, "let the people defend themselves", you gonna bet that I will carry one of my dad's sporting arms every time I drive because we turn an already hostile situation into the wild wastelands. Reforming is definitely something that needs to happen but using defunding as a blackmail or threat is not the definitive solution. We're looking for easy steps instead of a proper compromise. That the failure of modern American politics, no one wants to compromise anymore, both Dem and Repub, Left and Right, its not about what best for the proper American who in the middle class, its about what my side wants and what benefits my side the best. People have a right to protest, but what I hear from the protests is the same failures of our system. If the tool of compromise can no longer keep both sides on truce, then the only solution left is for inevitable violence. Question is, who will strike first.

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

Actually, the Supreme Court has ruled the police are not obligated to defend you. They are obligated to show up and start an investigation after a crime occurs, that's all.

[@gus_abreu]

Hay Cypher thank you for your content. It's very saddening to me that some of your videos get demonetized when they are very educational. I'm poor as hell in a very poor country and if I ever have the means, I would donate some money.

[@zj13goat57]

We need to reform the entire system, stop militarism and invest money in the poor

[@I_Do_Poor_Ppl_Stuff]

invest in opportunities for the poor*

[@CarrotConsumer]

What does that even mean?

[@GlassFoxGear]

This video was very interesting, really wonderful, this is great work!

[@davidflint12]

First, Poverty is mentioned throughout this history. Let me tell you this based on experience as a long time welfare worker. Welfare is a poverty trap and has proven to be a failure for the last 60 years. Welfare does nothing to uplift people on it contrary it is demoralizing people. I have seen generation after generation on welfare getting their income from the government. The welfare to work rules from the Clinton welfare reform act haven't done very little to get these people to be productive citizens, jobs. These people have developed a mindset of poverty via the very thing that was supposed to help, welfare. As an aside, the welfare recipient is middle class compared to a lot of countries around the world. Second: Community based policing is a good alternative. It would provide people in the community a sense that the police are with them not against them. Overall a good treatise on policing.

[@rangergxi]

The mindset of poverty does exist but to suggest that welfare is the cause is absurd. Being doomed to horrible schools, slums and a culture that hates you is the bigger cause.

[@Spongebrain97]

Welfare isnt nearly as bad as a problem that right wingers want it to be. Yes there are people who remain on welfare and so do their kids but its basically just a blanket slur used against the general poor and working class people. There are many more hard working people that have to use Food Stamps. For example where i work some of my managers themselves have food stamp cards and I'd hardly call them lazy people. The solution isnt to cut welfare but to create better paying jobs and help people get more college opportunities

[@absollum]

As someone living on welfare, I have a different perspective. I've been looking for a job for over 5 years, just entry-level so I can get experience. When you can't even get an entry-level job that you meet the requirements for, how do you expect them to get out of said rut? It's depressing. Those positions are probably going to people who are in the same place I'm in, but that just means there aren't enough jobs for people like me. I tired of it but I don't want to live on welfare for the rest of my life. It's demeaning, but I rather swallow my pride and live on welfare so I can get out of the system. It's that or die. That last bit is dramatic, but it starts feeling like that after a while. I'd imagine it's several times harder for families who have been doing this song and dance for generations. Not saying there aren't people who abuse welfare, but I doubt it's the majority.

[@rangergxi]

@@absollum The Dem decision to embrace neoliberalism has lead to them leaving you behind. They forget that the # of jobs is important but then try to create free trade with Asia.

[@davidflint12]

Creepy Closet clarification; SNAP isn’t considered welfare whereas TANIF, cash payments is. I’m not commenting on the people who receive it. I’m commenting on the system. Trillions of dollars spent in the last 60 years fighting poverty. Same effectiveness as the war on drugs.

[@dracobeli172]

Excelent video , Cypher. That´s a great reflexion.

[@briangarrow448]

I watched my hometown, which had to close it's tiny jail because of budget constraints, increase it's armaments, at a steady rate over the last 20 years. We went from Andy Griffeth in Mayberry to RoboCop of Detroit. And the style of police work changed with it. I believe the problems are directly related to the reactions to the 9/11 attacks and subsequent attempts to involve the entire law enforcement establishment in the military equipment frenzy of the post Iraq and Afghanistan wars. We've all seen the photos of the police departments and their new armored personnel carriers. Well that thinking went into guns, ammo, body armor, riot control weapons, etc. AND it included the training methods of the new officers. THIS change in training is largely responsible for the"shoot first" and ask questions later mindest We've gone from "serve and protect" to "dominate the battlefield". We should not be surprised by the behavior of police officers. We've been paying for their training for DECADES.

[@RevoVansen]

This watch stressed me out so much but I loved it. This was so good and so haunting. I will contribute when I can.