CYPHER - Fallen Angel | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@vontheunknown7982]

I wonder, how long before the Lion finds him.

[@Hunter12365]

😬

[@gunthergiel7088]

Brotherreunion😂

[@juliadwiggins-jo3fo]

Give it like a week

[@chucklytell]

he wont, Cypher will find him

[@mosessingleton7553]

@@chucklytell and the Lion will be waiting. 💯

[@bobdrooples]

Cypher is three watchers in the dark, standing on each others shoulders.

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

#ThreeWatchersInATrenchcoat

[@vicnedel02]

interrogator chaplain Asmodai demands to know how you've learned this.

[@namelesswarrior1187]

I am Cypher. This is a lie

[@horusksa1983]

That would be awesome

[@rexaxis3450]

I wonder if he's actually another perpetual, carrying out some deed for malcador, I don't think he's a villain, but the quintessential dark angel.

[@michaelgautreaux3168]

🤔 hmmmmmm. Me thinks that being able to out Omegon - ing Alpharius while out Alpharius- ing Omegon gives the perpetual deal substance. 👍👍

[@charlyspor7594]

​@@michaelgautreaux3168 I cannot comprehend this sentence

[@daviewizzle]

He must be loyal to some extent if the emperor said wait, and he did. Look forward to more lore coming out about him, and meeting the lion

[@Ookami349]

I'm personally a fan of the theory that Cypher is Omegon. It's the perfect cover for a primarch who has to help the Imperium, but also influence his fallen legion. There's no way Omegon is walking around looking like an Alpha Legionaire. I think he wants to return to the Emperor and pledge his allegiance anew and awaken the loyal Alpha legionaires beneath the palace. It also makes some poetic sense to me. The primarch of the last legion disguised as a member of the first.

[@leowilly29]

Someone is watching majorkill here

[@YanM1346]

I was about to write the same! I wouldnt be surprised if its Omegon or Alpharius (who know lol) with all the secrecy and spying around and the twin primarch being the same size a regular astartes but its probably Corswain or Zahariel, wouldn't trust GW to make that plot twist with the twim primarchs

[@AzraelMight]

@@YanM1346 the best way to refer to him is “the son of Malkador”

[@SergentJConn]

The problem is that the Ultramarines Primark would have recognized him.. Unless he is that good concealing

[@sugarcombfilms3467]

I would really hate if one of the Dark Angels' most popular and renowned characters turned out to not even be a Dark Angel.

[@inquisitrYT]

itll be interesting if the lion meets cypher and immediately names him since he remembers all his sons names

[@dittmar104]

Or will the acknowledge the tradition of his title and refuse to use his given name?

[@I_am-lost.]

He does that, but the scene cuts before we can find out. Next time we see him, everyone's cool with him

[@sajadhoxhaj6603]

So I'd like to make a clarification. In Luther novel "Luther: First of the fallen" the archtraitor himself does say that Corswain and Zahariel were seen combating each other but who came victorious from their battle was not clarified. Also Corswain is not stated to be the Dark Angel's first Supreme Grand Master as that role waa taken by Farith Redloss, voted commander of the Dreadwing. So Cypher's identity is a mystery with the most prominent candidates being Zahariel or Corswain. This claim seems to be supported by a quote in the "Unforgiven" novel where Cypher sees a champion of the Ravenwing using Corswain's sword amd adresses him:" I knew a great man who carried that blade. You better honour his memory" or smth similar I can't remember the exact excerpt. So it is either Zahariel thinking of Corswain or it is Corswain himself applauding himself.

[@vagner13]

exactly

[@johndevine3707]

Nice work red shirt guy 👏

[@Florian0103]

maybe they are both cypher

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

Or the supposed "executed" unknown lorr cypher survived the execution, and continued his fight after he was thrown into the warp to do the emperor's will.

[@sajadhoxhaj6603]

@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 not likely since that cypher is sooo dead. In the novel Angels of Caliban he and Zahariel fight each other and Zahariel subdues him using his psychic powers and breaks his legs in order to see who he was. I remember he told his fellow librarians to get rid of the body afterwards

[@Neoth40k]

This omegon is soo funny isn't he 😅? Edited by inquisition

[@RSBurgener]

Quintessential 40k character, he is iconic. And like many things about the lore, his motivations are inscrutable.

[@flexmode5301]

Thank you for this! I can only see cypher being 1 person and that’s omegon no other could escape from that prison and defeat the people he has without being of equal power of a primarch and his ability to manipulate as the serpent can honestly has to be omegon

[@Matt-md5yt]

Glad you covered this guy. He's pretty cool

[@sdogg]

Cypher is the best character in the entire setting

[@Knight-chaplainashriel]

Wait a minute, hold up. The Emperor did speak to Cypher. I know I remember hearing that. He was about to do something (can't remember exactly what) and then a Custode told him to "Wait" and then The Big E spoke with him. Nobody knows what was said yet. Pretty sure I'd heard that from MajorKill.

[@aslambhatti8932]

He was about to kill emperor on terra, and the remaining custodes got a sms from big E and big E said to cypher not now. Cypher wanted to kill big e so he can ressurect and end chaos but big E said now is not the tome for that a little longer

[@Knight-chaplainashriel]

@@aslambhatti8932 Thank you! Couldn't remember the exacts of the encounter. Save the Custodes saying,"Wait." I knew I'd heard that somewhere.

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

​@Interrogator-Chaplain Ashriel I thought it was Big E that said "wait" Or did I pick things up wrong?

[@ReverendPONT]

​@@theophrastusbombastus1359you got it right. Big E used the Custode to tell Cypher to wait. Big E reanimated the Custode to do it also. After the message was delivered the Custode fell over dead from wounds he got some time before.

[@DanielDem87]

this is wrong, read the book

[@goodtoknowbob]

I hadn't heard of the theory that Cypher is Omegaron before. I quite like that if he picked up this role being a loyal son of the Emperor but needing to hide himself after the Heresy and this being the reasoning for the prophecy in the Alpharius primary book.

[@Will_Parker]

The fact the Lion can Forestwalk tells me that Cypher is absolutely one of his sons and has a similar, lesser, ability

[@dittmar104]

That makes total sense. So many other primarchs have kindred sons who share in their powers, like magnus' sorcerers or Corax's shadow walkers. Hilarious if he was just the lion the whole time but nobody noticed. Just a little bit of his soul clipped off by luther.

[@Joseph-mw2rl]

Forest walking is an ascendant ability, like Corvus's "turn into ravens" ability. No son of the primarch would inherit these abilities, at most they would have the lite version of wraith slipping, and never the ascendant ability. It's power level requirement is too high for normal astartes

[@dittmar104]

@@Joseph-mw2rl Corax’s ability is illusions just like his psyker sons

[@jeremiegartner464]

Cypher is Omegon. A primarch. So he could walk on another plane

[@20K-v6x]

One thing that was kinda wrong was that after the breaking of Caliban Corswain didn’t take over the dark angels, instead Farith Redloss leader of the dreadwing became the first chapter master. By all accounts Corswain disappeared after his battle with cypher. That’s why Corswain is probably cyphers most likely identity.

[@RalJustRal]

I cannot wait for this one! Cypher is my favourite character!

[@cynicalpsycho5574]

While I can't wait for the Lion to meet and hug Rowboat, I am so keen to see a meeting with Cypher!

[@jackmyers8687]

First model i ever bought and painted

[@ah9580]

CYPHER IS OMEGON, long live the single hydra

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

I was waiting for this one. In particular. Thanks dude. Great work as ever.

[@Florian0103]

I would like cypher to be zahariel as it would close the circle with him and the emperor. By once saving him and now "freeing" the emperor from the golden throne.

[@TheExsodus1987]

I personally believe Cypher is Zahariel. He is an insanely powerful Psyker, and one who is loyal to Caliban and the Primarch above all else. I believe he is a perpetual much like Gramaticus, and was gifted powers and knowledge from the Watchers and the Cabal. Who learned there lesson with Gramaticus and Alpharion Omegon, who didn't heed there warnings and instead chose to follow other plans and ideals. Cypher is the embodiment of the Order, and the Knights of Caliban, and with the return of Lion El'Johnson, Zahariel will finally show himself to his brother Azrael, and his mentor and father figure the Lion.

[@HunterSentinel]

OH, what if he was actually running around for lion to collect and recruit the fallen to become “risen” and was carrying lions sword with him as proof of the lions commitment to give them atonement.

[@diddy8706]

Im on The Fallen Angels book now, I remeber back a yr ago when i 1st read the term "Remembrancer" w/the name Eurfrati Keeler and i would kind of skim read those sections b4 i realized her importance, but i definitely dont "skim" your videos! Thx, love this 40K world, HH book 11/54 to go! YT Lore Vids Got me into it all, never heard of 40k befor then!

[@leonhardable]

11/54 oh boy youre in for a shit time for the next 5 books 😂 some horrid authors coming up, iirc gav thorpe shat out something roughly at 14 but do not fret, brother, ADB and Dan "The Bauz" Abnett are already on the horizon

[@diddy8706]

@@leonhardable I'm ready 2 get to some blood angels stuff!!!

[@smatting2627]

Forgot to say that he used to carry a c’tan blade but it was absorbed into the Deceiver when he 1v1’d the C’tan.

[@serronserron1320]

Plot twist he's one of the enhanced experiments that escaped from Luna

[@bluegeniusw1186]

Omegon himself ;).

[@apostoldimov9856]

I have waited for this particular elucidation from the very first of your transmissions Master❣️ Absolutely Astonishing 💎

[@Ghaztoir]

Da fuq??

[@SumDude129]

Im also going with the theory that the cure Cypher is Alpharius/Omegon. Like others have said he operates just like an Alpha Legionary. But doubters saying that Alpharius died......if anyone had a way to fool his brothers into thinking that they are dead it would be Alpharius.

[@Achilles420]

Cypher has to be Omegon (Alpharius in his book they swap places at the end when they meet) is the only one that knows his way around the imperial palace having grown up there and has out smarted the adeptus custodes

[@shimazutakuma1031]

Cypher, he helped G-man get out of the rift he got trapped in along with the Cabal of Eldars, he only asked for an audience with the Emperor, sadly it was not to be, he was caught by the Custodians :)

[@ryanexsus]

I still like to believe that he's Zahariel.

[@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736]

I just got into an argument with someone who claimed NO fallen exept Luther turned to chaos. Thank you for yhis confirmation.

[@greatamazinga]

One has to agree with the fact that his modus operandi is more in line with the Alpha Legion than the Dark Angels…Alpharius was able to hide his true identity from the Lion, so it is possible that Cypher is not a Fallen Dark Angel at all…

[@Spr1ggan87]

The Dark Angels are also into clandestine operations, they sent a force to attack Terra and capture Cypther, those sent killed loyalist Marines and Custodes, had their markings removed, and used melta bombs on their own dead to hide their actions. Also Cypher clearly has the same forest walking ability we saw The Lion use recently.

[@IntrovertedMenace]

If cypher one of the most interesting dark angels characters ends up being a primarch like Omegon that would be the highest lvl of bulshitery the worlds ever seen

[@darko-man8549]

The truth is, like many things in 40k the answers Gw gives us will likely be disappointing. Hopefully Cypher’s intentions remain unclear

[@BedlamBoy1978]

Finally Cypher and the Lion finally meet and both say "I am Alpharius" LoL

[@mikey2time484]

Cyphe4 is omegon calling it now.

[@thacameraguy3507]

Unrelated to the video content - not sure how you still hasn’t blown up on KZbin yet. The visuals and audio for your content is always fantastic. You really deserve luetin numbers buddy, please keep up the amazing work! ❤

[@legiontepes3474]

I believe Cypher is either alpharion or omegon. His ability for deception, manipulation, and misdirection are the trademark of the alpha Legion.

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

This is a lie

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

​​@@moodyowlproductions4287 The cake is a lie - this is _subterfudge_

[@AzraelMight]

He is the son of Malkador

[@DanielDem87]

this is silly, even for 40k conspiracy theories

[@leowilly29]

I cannot to have a meeting between the Lion, the risen Angels and the Dark angels

[@borisdickinson]

ok hear me out. a game similar to boltgun, but you control cypher. you go around killing planetary governors, try and infiltrate the imperial palace on terra and emperor knows what else with the return of the Lion...

[@josephwellborn2185]

Awesome and informational video 🎉

[@WestSideGorilla1980]

"Scary theory? He's making up his own covert ops"' - The Cypher Identity

[@joshley1320]

Another brilliant video on omegon I mean cypher also would you ever do a video on Gabriel Seth

[@rprlunn93]

You forget the Emperor is a perpetual soo him being killed means he'll just be reborn and can't remember where but it's been confirmed he knows this and is working to getting it done and this is groundwork for it.

[@_walruseater]

Damn that was a rad video

[@justanotheraveragecanadian]

i played as him when i was 12 epic

[@johngillan4475]

Thank you for your information video

[@mattymayhem1232]

The lion laid eyes on Cypher and exclaimed "Holy hell, Gary is that you!? You remember where we stashed the weed? It's been 10,000 years" To which Cypher replied "Yes gene-father... As a matter of fact I have an ounce left of Lemon Sororitas Haze, would you like to hit this bong I integrated into my plasma pistol? The mechanicus integrated a triple percolator"😎😎😎

[@Uzzgub]

A Interaction for the Interaction God, a Comment for the Comment Throne, for the Almighty Algorithm

[@gunjinrieper4062]

(A chaos astartes taking notes) Space Marines that I need to avoid: Cypher Asterion Moloc Tyberos the Red Wake Astorath the Grim Kaldor Draigo

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

8:06 is this true and verifiable Remebrancer? Is so I knew it!!! There was no other named dark angles left at the end of heresy that was more than capable of filling the lions shoes. Corswain is such a badass who better to serve as the first supreme grandmaster of the chapter as lord seneschal of the dark angels legion Corswain knew his gene father would never have allowed Gulliman to break up his legion so enshrined that the unforgiven chapters would be a legion in all but name.

[@relight6931]

I feel like real identity of Cypher, turning out to be Alpharius/Omegon, would fit quite well.

[@Kardel_VA]

8:05 I thought Farith Redloss became the first Supreme Grand Master?

[@sbeaber]

Correct. Corswain was missing

[@KaosandRiot]

Cypher is really Corax, planning the long game at the Emperors intenient Planning his restriction to start child Jus a 3 am insomnia treatment

[@blagojpejov4155]

Cypher is the imperium greatest hope or its greatest threat

[@texasallstar6969]

This is a character that GW wont have any idea what to do with.

[@SethBrogan]

favorite 40k channel, the voice, the detail, its peak!

[@MRMARKWIDDOWS20]

With the new son of the forest book. What if cypher was a projection of the Lions mind in his sleep. Reaching out from this warp forest to aid his sons. Like a shard of him. The watchers seem to live there with him. Explains how cypher disappears and escapes. He just goes into the warp forest.

[@SilverZenCompass]

Alpharius: *looks at the lion* Are you sure he's not one of mine?

[@gregorysiegel1178]

Ursaka creed approves, and says thanks for the gun

[@jaskegoffii3968]

Cypher is definitely Alpharius

[@martina6212]

“Omegon”

[@jaskegoffii3968]

@@martina6212 Who is, in reality, Alpharius

[@martina6212]

@@jaskegoffii3968 Einhorn is Finkle!

[@cogline9]

"This is a lie."

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

This is a lie

[@nathans45]

Cypher fills the same role as Alpharius Omegon, where thier actions are so mysterious and seeminly nonsensical from an outside perspective that the logical leaps and theories become increasingly more detached from reality simply by virtue of trying to make sense of their actions.

[@NH-jm9fq]

Can’t handle this dude saying Loofer instead of Luther over and over again. Lord of the bathroom back scratchers.

[@andarchy1386]

Nice premiere time let's goooo

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

Me"man.... who is this guy"? Cypher"yeah..to be honest..even I myself am not sure at this point"?

[@MrLansonman]

i reckon he is corswain

[@rebvamp13]

What if their are two of them

[@mykelengieza7057]

excellent

[@mattk1764]

Just one suggestion. I think for future videos it would be great if you got all facts before recording. Zahariel wasn't Lord Cypher until much much later. In fact, only after Zahariel fell to Chaos, he killed the original Cypher and assumed the mantle. In your video you make it sound as if he was Cypher from the start, which simply isn't the case. What is true thou that the identity of the current Cypher is shrouded in mystery, and Zahariel is a hot contender (for the aforementioned reason), although he was presumably killed by Corswain, which would mean it cannot be him (other candidates are Corswain, or if you want to go all tinfoil mode Omegon from the Alpha Legion)

[@nonimport-ante]

an interesting thing GR seems to recognize the sword.

[@Kyser666]

so the lion did forgive some of the fallen angels (and they are still alive?) That the dark angels were hunting?

[@aleksandar6096]

I hope to see video of Mephiston soon

[@EzioZ]

🔥🔥🔥

[@Anlushac11]

I think Cypher is operating under the direct orders of the Emperor.

[@johnscotts5672]

Hay I would like to know did the lion meet Cypher

[@gorejarhorizon3562]

some say he is the third brother primarch of the alpha legion Omegon any one know if thats true. seeking forgivness just like the fallen? if the 1st forgives the fallen why not him?

[@josemariaseloterio9743]

Is it omegon?

[@Azzie420]

Ah yes lord Cypher, the guy known for pulling chaos cults and greater Deamons out of his booty hole, man was a real problem a few months ago

[@raymondfreddo5834]

Can Cipher please just accidentally let loose one of the lost primarchs as he wrecks his way out of the palace? Then we find out that theres 10000 year old space marines loyal to said lost primarch and the watchers in the dark work for for the lost legion

[@michaelmastriano7566]

It's not Omegon, it's alpharius duh

[@gregorysiegel1178]

It’s alpharius pretending to be Omegon

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

This is a lie

[@AzraelMight]

He is the son of Malkador

[@something3530]

You know it'd be kind of funny if cypher didn't know who he was supporting like he had no clue what he was doing either. He was just going with the flow the whole time

[@Matt-et8jw]

So hes basically John Warhammer (Wick).

[@christophersteadman1402]

Out of curiosity, where do you get all of your images in the background? I like to use them as reference materials for mini painting, but have a hard time finding them.

[@TheRemembrancer]

My archive is drawn from a variety of sources but I am afraid there is no one resource which compiles them all

[@benhur933]

The theory of Cypher being alpharius/Oregon isn't likely, primarchs can sense each other, so when he was in the presence of guilliman, guilliman would have known.

[@Noobmensch]

Alpharius has stated(probably a lie) that he has met many of his brothers without them knowing

[@tickleberrypie8662]

The problem with that is alpharius’ ability was literally to “hide his presence” from other people.

[@timrogers9191]

@@tickleberrypie8662 As stated above. Alpharius was the true first found Primarch, and Malcador tutored him specifically in masking his presence.

[@benhur933]

@@tickleberrypie8662 then how was dorn able to pick him out when they met.

[@Spr1ggan87]

@@tickleberrypie8662 Didn't Alpharius or Omegaon also state that The Lion immediately saw thorugh him.

[@Darby-qu6hz]

What are the watchers?

[@ADhammer]

Cypher’s armor is black, not dark green. The Inquisition is on its way.

[@Primogen1988]

Zahariel El'Zurias? I thought this was Cypher

[@SavageFreedom]

Who's gonna break the cipher for cypher?

[@the36lessons11]

Ω

[@markdowning5721]

I don't think Cypher is traitor his circular path leads to terra and his ability to escape I believe comes from the wmperor

[@sbeaber]

Farith Redloss took over the Legion after Caliban. Corswain was missing.

[@alpine7313]

Luther did nothing wrong. The destruction of Caliban's natural forests was the foulest crime.

[@jeremiegartner464]

He is Omegon. The story fits to well of how he blends in and escapes. Plus playing neutral

[@btbb1816]

I enjoy warhammer alot. Grew up with horned rat amd dark omen on ps1, someone should mod that... amd listen to alot of 40k at work...but, but, Luther is sad. How did the Lion not sniff that out? Why does Luther wear astartes armor when he is not an astartes? Why did Azreal protect Luther? Never. Don't make sense. Luther is not Typhon or Erebus, maybe Kor Phearon. He's another bunch of issues.

[@nelmar9905]

Cypher is Omegon

[@chromacypher8409]

I say he is either Alpharius or an Alpha Legion plant!

[@falsehero2001]

Cypher no cyphing.