"Czerny can't write melodies"

Many people may say that Czerny's pieces are robotic and boring, but I think this piece disproves that.
Piece: Czerny - Gran capriccio di bravura ossa studio in F minor, op. 369
A full performance of this piece: • Gran Capriccio di Brav...
(Thanks to ‪@Medtszkowski‬ for lending me the title idea)
#piano #boring #memes #classicalmusic

[@juanramonsilva1067]

After hearing this I’m more convinced he couldn’t.

[@Renshen1957]

Czerny wrote Prelude & Fugues, Piano Sonata, Concerti, you don’t know Czerny…

[@arthurlaguette7773]

Hmm... Czerny really can't write melodies

[@chezbe]

He can, however it's no as beautiful as Alkan's or Beethoven's

[@Chorizo727]

100% agree.

[@Fraktal1]

still better than Mozart in every way posibble

[@Damian_Theodoridis]

*Czerny **_can_** write melodies*

[@Jartious]

Exactly

[@musicboiscores]

-Derivative ones, that is.-

[@IEEMAZ_Convoluted_14.2.8.5]

Real.

[@IEEMAZ_Convoluted_14.2.8.5]

🤣 @@musicboiscores

[@Isegawa2001]

​@@musicboiscoresIntegral ones, actually!

[@pianist_detentive]

Yep this Czerny piece is not robotic, but it's hard, so it can taught a octopus-handed student called Liszt

[@FriskaPiano]

"Dramatic call" and "cheeky little answer" got me cracking up 😂

[@FredericChopin-if5rn]

Czerny is underrated

[@ethanbrowncomposer]

He’s actually pretty well known. Odds are most budding pianist have played a czerny etude at some point in there career. You could say his larger works should be more popular. But he certainly isn’t underrated. Generations have madly respected the guy

[@mostafa12890]

@@ethanbrowncomposerHis larger works are literally just glorified cadenzas.

[@mgorshkoff7929]

First half sounds like someone who only knows 3rd movement from Apassionata tried really hard to come up with something original

[@PabloEnver]

I totally recomend Czerny's Nocturnes. Amazing. And Variations on a theme by Schubert.

[@lolbruh1170]

Bro is arguing against people that don't exist, and loses anyways 😭😭😭

[@Jartious]

@@lolbruh1170 Yeah 😭😭😭

[@ethanbrowncomposer]

He can but most would not say he’s as good of a melodist as Beethoven or the generation of romantics after him.

[@JustKoyomi]

I have listened to quite a bit of czerny estudies and even more serious works and i can tell that even on his elementary studies like op599 you can find some really beautiful and even catchy melodies. It's true he used to make pieces a bit too bloated with technique at times, but that never detracts from the liricism in my opinion.

[@arcocoar]

i love this so much genuinely, "angsty romantic music for life"

[@zdzislawmeglicki2262]

There's a lot of texture in this etude and it's good.

[@eighborl367]

listen to Oceans Waves or no 50 in g minor btw F minor is my fav range

[@gitikagitika715]

Anyone who spends 40 hours a day practicing and can train liszt.. sure can write melodies

[@Kyujar.png49]

Im Glad this piece is getting more known now. Someone actually recorded this in studio, and its quite good

[@RickyFasquel]

Czerny written many sonatas!!!! listen!!!! x ex: op 145 n°9 To Ignaz Moscheles - Grand Sonata

[@JustarandomaccountInnit-is8lf]

Listen to his first symphony in c minor. It is relentlessly energetic and has some great melodies in my opinion

[@_b_moll]

0:24 chord progression reminded me of Beethoven 7 second mvt lmao

[@childeric57]

Right, but after the first four bars it goes over the cliff of predictability into the chasm of cliche.

[@Yipee566]

You can join two beams from different clefs together by either Shift+alt+^ or Shift+alt+v. Or its just how Czerny inted to write it that way.

[@Jartious]

@@Yipee566 Yeah that's how Czerny wrote it. If I were to make my own edition then I would definately neaten up the beams

[@DemitNWC]

Seon-yong Hwang once talked about this piece to me after practicing it several times. 'The theme part is quite great but the rest of the piece is too virtuosic and it doesn't stop till the end which makes the music really boring to listen.'

[@nickcarroll8565]

Yeah it takes about 30 seconds to go “wow that sounds hard, that pianist is good” and then another 30 seconds to start tuning out.

[@ВалентинаСкрипченко-у4е]

THIS IS JUST MAD

[@michaeledwards1172]

All too many people know Czerny only from his many studies that almost every piano student plays. I think some of these are quite attractive pieces, actually, but I don't pretened they are on the same level as some of the Etudes by Chopin, Debussy, Scriabin, and Rachmaninov. But those who have the impression of Czerny as a boring, dull, uninspired composer, derived from the studies they learned as a student, have a view of him that is very biased. To get a more representative impression, you might like to listen to his 11 piano sonatas, which are available on C.D.s and also on KZbin, often with the score showing page by page (or line by line) as the music plays. These are wonderful piano sonatas which I think can stand beside those of composers such as Beethoven and Schubert. There is also a Sonatina (miniature sonata) in A major which is a perfect classical sonata on a miniature scale, and very attractive - and enjoyable to play. In the first movement, both the first and second subjects are short, and sounding quite natural, and not as if they have been cut to forcibly fit into a few bars - and both subjects are quite "ear-wormy", and I have at times caught them running through my mind. (The best performance I know of is that by Martin Jones, who has also recorded all the 11 piano sonatas by Czerny.) Czerny is a significant composer who deserves more attention from musicians and listeners.

[@Jartious]

Agreed. I especially agree with the whole earworm statement. As for the sonatas, I'll have to check them out!

[@notanidiot401]

Lizst: this is easy.

[@HikikoSunny01]

Basically chord progression 'a la appassionata' Texture wise? Yea he was good at that. Melody wise? Uh, arguably still capable.

[@benharmonics]

Czerny’s music varies: sometimes it slaps, like this piece, and other times it’s boring or annoying, either because of unimaginative chord progressions or because Czerny has certain techniques he uses very predictably (like double thirds) even when they don’t really fit the piece. But his music definitely deserves more attention than it gets. However, the way you edited the video is not easy on the eyes. Please don’t do that in future videos 😂

[@klop4228]

I find the "same technique he uses often even when it doesn't fit the piece" is also a problem with Tchaikovsky, for instance, but with him he's just naturally a better melodist and so overall he has a better success rate. Czerny is just a very mixed bag.

[@marcorval]

Czerny was a decent composer especially considering the large amount of banal stuff created by his contemporaries (Hummel, Moscheles, Kalkbrenner, Herz, etc.) but due to the gigantic amount of pieces he made (something like 10,000) quality was often sacrificed for quantity. His Piano Sonatae, Etudes op. 692, 754, 756, Nocturnes, Preludes and Fugues are well worth the listen, however.

[@yandrak6134]

This is incredible!!!

[@fTripleSharp]

Appassionata vibes

[@swinger9374]

Czerny 754 has some melodies

[@rkbrown83]

Perhaps Czerny can't write the best melodies, but his expertise and strengths were in teaching piano and molding virtuoso pianists and, the greatest pianist of all time - Liszt. 😎

[@FranciscoElena-u5j]

Maravilloso czerny

[@Dichweed]

Czerny...

[@lucasgust7720]

This rather proves the point LOL.

[@bevengersio]

I'm sorry but I will always remember Czerny as "the finger dexterity guy"...

[@jerricorock]

I can hear the Beethoven within him

[@chezbe]

0:35 especially this

[@enelabe]

Is the melody in the room with us right now?

[@micuccijaoquin4798]

how about etude op 692 n20 "ocean waves"

[@HvrPiano]

Impressive, he really proved wrong all people who believe in him

[@podpivasniki322]

Bro literally wrote apassionata

[@stravinskyfan]

I think the problem with most of his music is that there's almost no contrast.

[@GUILLOM]

Yeah he can't

[@Damian_Theodoridis]

🤡

[@GUILLOM]

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[@Damian_Theodoridis]

@@GUILLOM lol hi

[@turtle945]

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[@toren-touissannt]

Pls send link for this performance

[@Jartious]

It's midi

[@toren-touissannt]

Pls upload it if you can Theres isn't a recording that...captures it

[@Jartious]

@@toren-touissannt there is actually one visual recording of this piece: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jp-ld3qshqeno9Usi=872dGXXxWj4ME28z&t=1337 If you skip to 0:22 on the vid, you will also get a nice surprise

[@pianista-mediocre]

Czerny was Liszt's piano teacher.... That explains a lot

[@lolz9449]

Bro Sherny can’t write melodies lmao

[@robertstewart614]

A question - was this a 'midi' recording or a live non-sped up recording?

[@Jartious]

It was a midi made by me

[@dunkleosteus430]

Are you on the Liszthesis discord server?

[@Jartious]

No I'm not, is it like the LDF server

[@dunkleosteus430]

@@Jartious LDF is mentioned (much less now than a few months ago), I'm not on the LDF server but I'd imagine that the Liszthesis one is much less toxic. I asked because there was recently an argument about Czerny's musicality. I'm listening to his op. 369 rn because of your video.

[@Jartious]

@@dunkleosteus430 did you like it? I discovered it from a video of seon yong hwang playing it.

[@dunkleosteus430]

@@Jartious it was nice, I can definitely see the connections to Beethoven & Liszt. Also Seon-Yong Huang was in the comments of the video of it.

[@Jartious]

@@dunkleosteus430 at 1:09 it does remind me of Beethoven pathetique sonata

[@matei_woold_wewu]

Why the c time signature is wrong placed???

[@Jartious]

I don't understand what you mean. It's the same as the sheet music

[@matei_woold_wewu]

@@Jartious it's normal ok

[@peterchan6082]

Nope. Not even this piece disproves that his other usually heard and played pieces that were meant for exercises are robotic and boring. This piece is but one exception.

[@peterchan6082]

Moreover, my BF, who has been teaching the piano for almost 30 years - but unfamiliar with this piece - correctly guessed that this sounds like an exercise by Czerny.

[@magik1283]

dude thats literally side product of harmony, that aint no melody

[@barbavassilis]

This is not the best example of czerny's melodies....

[@goehomobile]

piece name 🙏🙏🙏

[@Jartious]

Czerny op 369 gran cappricio di bravura

[@goehomobile]

@@Jartious thx

[@samueltaylor9935]

No melody here at all really lol

[@ShayHowse]

Where is the melody?

[@jaypeej7830]

Czerny probably the worst composer in early Romantic era. He was a failure of imagination. He ain't got 1% of Beethoven and Schubert talent.

[@tinnose7363]

He was one hell of a teacher though.

[@mehdiadlany]

Have you ever heahrd is sonayzspiaor his tas Concein rto D minor to talk? his cappricio à la fuga is the spiciest take on the fugue. Get some education.

[@Damian_Theodoridis]

@@jaypeej7830 🤓

[@whowantstolive365]

Show this to Caleb Hu. Personally, he *can* write melodies, just artistically worthless ones