D&D 5e - Thats NOT how Perception works

[@jakejohnson9552]

Ironically enough, perception should have given him an opportunity to realize the guards were coming before they surprised him.

[@BirdCyclops]

True!!

[@fireguardianx]

plot twist: wisdom is their dump stat and they have no proficiency in perception

[@krissybaglin9206]

Only if their passive perception exceeds their stealth rolls

[@TheDoc73]

@@krissybaglin9206 I mean, he WAS trying to roll perception for things in the room. I say he gets a roll to perceive the guards coming. It's not like he was busy investigating anything. =D

[@tenjin5586]

His PP was to low

[@JohnSmith-bn5mi]

You can really feel the low INT score here.

[@BirdCyclops]

well they HAD to dump one stat to make it fair

[@samheasmanwhite]

​@@BirdCyclops If someone is playing a low-INT character you can add to the roleplay by not correcting their errors before you play out their actions.

[@sploofmcsterra4786]

Y-you mean wisdom right? Or are you making a joke. "No no you see, I make an intelligence investigation check. Because I need to use my intelligence to put things together" "That's wisdom. In D&D wisdom represents intuition, rather than crystallised knowledge. The people who made D&D were high and decided to give the knowledge bit to intelligence for some godforsaken reason. Just pretend their meanings are switched if it helps" "Oh interesting. Anyway, what species is this plant? I'm very wise about such things so..."

[@ITZPAKTLI]

This could also be a high INT score as well. But she's so smart that she constantly overanalyzes and overthinks everything

[@asdfniofanuiafabuiohui3977]

@@sploofmcsterra4786 intelligence is your knowledge/memory, logical thinking, and reasoning, wisdom is your insight, perceptiveness and how attuned to the world you are. Insight, in this case, means your pure feelings; how you feel on something. Its your gut feeling on a situation in isolation, whereas if you are putting information together (logical thinking and reasoning) that is intelligence. To give a computer analogy, wisdom is your inputs- your mice, your microphone, camera, and intelligence is your cpu and hard drive. Wisdom in dnd has nothing to do with the real world definition and the real world definition is more accurately represented by proficency bonus. From the DMG: "A character with a high Wisdom but low Intelligence is aware of the surroundings but is bad at interpreting what things mean. The character might spot that one section of a wall is clean and dusty compared to the others, but he or she wouldn’t necessarily make the deduction that a secret door is there. In contrast, a character with high Intelligence and low Wisdom is probably oblivious but clever. The character might not spot the clean section of wall but, if asked about it, could immediately deduce why it’s clean. Wisdom checks allow characters to perceive what is around them (the wall is clean here), while Intelligence checks answer why things are that way (there’s probably a secret door)."

[@ITZPAKTLI]

If they had a good enough Deception they could have just said "I didn't do it... No."

[@BirdCyclops]

i have a feeling i would have ACTUALLY worked on these guys...

[@realdragon]

And if they have good enough persuasion they can say "No I didn't do it, you did it"

[@thewonderfullymadejaraid7015]

@@realdragon That would be deception. You are deceiving someone into believing something that isn't true. "you use persuasion when acting in good faith" (Player's Handbook 179). Lying is not acting in good faith. "deception can encompass everything from misleading others through ambiguity to telling outright lies" (Player's Handbook 178).

[@realdragon]

@@thewonderfullymadejaraid7015 Ok but I want to persuade them into believing the lie I made

[@thewonderfullymadejaraid7015]

@@realdragon that is deception. Knowingly "persuading" someone into believing a lie is the definition of deception. "telling outright lies" is deception.

[@teal_m_101]

'I want to perceive if I know anything about the Shmeebus of Schneed.' 'So, a history che-' 'noooooooo....'

[@Draco137YT]

"Oh, so Arca--" "NO"

[@patrickshaw411]

‘I’d like to perceive that flower Shmeebus is holding’ ‘Ah, so nature’ ‘No…no…’

[@Grigeral]

One 'observes' history. Observation is sight based... Therefore you perceive history. Legit check!

[@cameronballz6154]

No, I want to check the runes for any kind of hint to say what it means. So investigat- *shut*

[@FlyingDominion]

You see the details. If only you decided to use a skill that would tell you what the details mean.

[@RenoKyrie]

Perception: Looking at the blood on the wall(Dont forget theres a reason why Passive Perception exist) Investigation: Finding out the blood is actually jam Insight: Looking at Billy if he is lying on throwing the Jar to the wall

[@BirdCyclops]

Shatter: little Billy BECOMES jam

[@DerGruenschnabel]

Deception: It's not billy, it's jam. And I didn't do anything. - Guards leave.

[@RenoKyrie]

@@DerGruenschnabel Sleight of hand: Mix the Shattered Billy with actual Jam in secrecy

[@backonlazer791]

Objection! You can LICK the blood to perceive whether it's indeed blood or if it's jam 😉

[@HORRIOR1]

Religion: Sacrifice Billy to the Jam gods.

[@otakuwamasama566]

Should've perceived the Player's Handbook (They never read it)

[@Karak-_-]

Wouldn't that be Investigation?

[@masonsudul1643]

@Karak Dalík I think it'd be investigation if they were looming for something in particular

[@Exuinexe]

5e players would be really upset right now if they knew how to read.

[@JM-mh1pp]

@@Exuinexe nuclear launch detected!

[@yourstruly2983]

Unless they're looking it up while they're playing, that'd be a history check, or mayyybe intelligence at DM's discretion...

[@knightx6263]

Yes, I'd like to perceive how others are perceiving me so I can hide better...

[@hugofontes5708]

Reverse engineered perception into stealth, of course, classic trick

[@GrimHeaperThe]

Roll advantage on stealth

[@Olav_Hansen]

"you do perceive that you are about to die" is such a great line.

[@Arisorio]

Using passive perception instead of letting him roll is ultimate cruelty, well done!

[@mcbadrobotvoice8155]

I like to imagine if your passive perception is too low you can’t notice your own death and become immortal

[@EdKolis]

@@Squeekysquid That's my headcanon on how hell works, actually.

[@EdKolis]

The secret to flying is to throw yourself at the ground, and miss. -Douglas Adams

[@cameronballz6154]

Too blind to see your organs on the floor

[@rednidedni3875]

I'm wheezing because all of these things are things you can use perception in pathfinder 2e for

[@mirageowl]

this is kind of sad and true :/

[@rednidedni3875]

@@mirageowl sad?

[@mirageowl]

@@rednidedni3875 @rednidedni3875 I personally didn't enjoy the overuse of perception back in PF1e, so I kind of liked the Investigation checks in D&D. In 2e they merged even Sense Motive to be an action using perception. It solved the issue(?) of people overfocusing on perception on character creation but doesn't seem to affect the use of it in-game.

[@rednidedni3875]

@@mirageowl It makes perception often used, yeah. But that's not a problem if it's just a basic stat instead of a skill you have to spec into.

[@Zedrinbot]

What's funny is, in PF2, this is actually how you would use perception. It's often used for initiative (though any skill that applies in context works too) or as a sense motive / insight, or even for investigating. (Only thing here it doesn't work for is death saves.)

[@asdfniofanuiafabuiohui3977]

perception makes sense in literally every skill, stealth- have to look where to go, history- have to be able to see what is relevant to remember it.

[@Zthewise]

It's so hard to be sneaky in Pathfinder 2E because of that. Everyone has high perception because it is now tied to initiative.

[@Zedrinbot]

@@Zthewise gotta just beat a fixed perception DC. And if they try to search for you, its their roll vs your DC. If you're specializing in stealth, you should be able to keep up with a creature that specializes in perception. The way stealth works, a failure actually still maintains some degree of stealth too. You might have your position known, but you still count as unseen, which still keeps it from being a total failure.

[@benjaminparent4115]

I mean it really depend from what the games is about, there is no wrong answer just different game design. In a combat heavy game, where investigation and social encounter are sparse, splitting perception into three skills could make those skills bad investment, reuniting the skills under one solve that problem, but in a court intrigue it might be the opposite having a skill capable of doing so much will make it mandatory and overpowered. Perception isn't even a skill in other systems, it is a base attribute like strength or charisma. This doesn't just apply to perception in a court intrigue do you really need different skill for weapons, maybe just one is enough. And using persuasion for nearly everything might be overpowered so maybe you could split it between persuading with emotion, and convincing with logics. Maybe getting people to like you might even be a different skill too.

[@duskstorm3560]

@@asdfniofanuiafabuiohui3977 If you stare at something long enough, it'll eventually get done. That's what I always tell myself, at least.

[@lostmarble540]

wow I just noticed that the dm character is this one-eyed bird creature, it's crazy how artists can hide these little details in their work that no one notices

[@bobbluered8984]

Yeah, man, people really don't perceive the little things. Our perceptions are so narrow. Good on you for that perception.

[@targetdreamer257]

“You perceive that you are dying and you die.” Loolll That is so hilarious but at the same time I feel personally called out.

[@toomanytamales1323]

the passive perception bit was gold

[@teal_m_101]

'Can I roll to perceive my enemy to death?'

[@Norwyn]

Only if you are a beholder.

[@TheFansOfFiction]

No, but you could do it with insight (and some creativity)

[@EdKolis]

@@Norwyn Would being a beholder increase my charisma score? No? Because beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

[@Norwyn]

@@EdKolisMaybe, but in which eye?

[@cameronballz6154]

I think that's called intimidation

[@austinsmith1421]

He's probably got the most useful DM screen notes I've ever seen.

[@joemama114]

"With your passive perception you notice you're about to die, and then die" I need to use that in the future.

[@KirroSoya]

“They kill you and then you die. And you do realise before dying that’re you’re about to die and you die” amazing

[@Tletna]

I don't know if this video is the worst or best DnD video ever. It definitely made me chuckle, thank you!

[@sorenmine7765]

"then i'm gonna sneak into his room and-" gonna stop you right there, roll stealth.

[@pixelsmasher21]

"Can I roll to see if my character can get a sneak peak at the DM's notes."

[@maxmach4361]

He should roll Perception to see his mistakes. No wait, that's Insight.

[@cameronballz6154]

And if he's looking for his mistakes that's investigation

[@J_BiggityBar]

God, I feel this. I've certainly had players who were so insistent on being able to use certain skills instead of the ones designed for the situation. I can't even count how many times I've heard "Can I jump over it with Acrobatics? Oh come on, i'll just run on the walls and use parkour."

[@ph8enix]

As a fellow GM I had these discussions about a million times over multiple editions, too. And after we tell them "no" it's always how we cockblock them from having fun -.-

[@SolarFlairIsBestPony]

I think a case COULD be made for using acrobatics (not just dex, but acrobatics proficiency specifically) for jumping. Like, an alternate rule could be cobbled together for it, not that its necessarily easier or a gimmie. Maybe make them make a higher DC check or make more checks, translate it to less feat traveled than strength does, something like that.

[@J_BiggityBar]

@@SolarFlairIsBestPony My issue with that is in 5E Strength is already considered weaker than Dexterity. Dex can be used for AC and Initiative. Dex Saves are by far the most common saving throw. And Dex has 3 skills (plus thieves' tools) while STR only has Athletics. So by letting someone use acrobatics instead of athletics then suddenly the only STR skill in the game becomes weaker.

[@canadiangopnik7007]

​@@J_BiggityBar add more enemies that grapple, or large objects that could be used to gain an advantage, like rolling a big boulder through a bandit camp to knock their numbers down before engaging, it's all dependant on the scenario, yeah, strength is gonna be next to useless for solving a murder mystery, but if there's a big fucking rock, you're not gonna acrobatics it away, using acrobatics for a jump is just logical, and not allowing that breaks immersion in my opinion

[@МолчаливыйКлинок]

@@J_BiggityBar I`d just let them make a Strenght (Acrobatic) check. If their character is very acrobatic it makes sense for them to parkour they way, instead of bruteforcing it.

[@thaias9654]

I remember I had a +7 in perception once. Out of the like 20+ checks I had I passed ONE. There wasn't a lot of perception after the first few sessions.

[@theosmiumnerd2209]

Me as a Pathfinder 2nd Edition player: "I don't see the problem."

[@BirdCyclops]

Pathfinder players stop being cool and based challenge (impossible)

[@kenkoopa7903]

i was looking for this comment, lol

[@roxxon6138]

Don't you mean you don't *perceive* the problem? ;D

[@cameronballz6154]

Then maybe you need more perception

[@hamburgerdog25]

I still remember the day I learned about perception the hard way. So we were in the basement of this mansion that we were running as a tutorial stage because most of us (including myself) were pretty new to dnd. Another player was trying to open the tombs in this basement, breaks all the fingers on one hand. I suggest that she uses the other hand to try again, breaks all of those fingers too. Now its my turn and I see a hallway that nobody has explored yet and instead of going to help that other player, I think, "ha yeah, its lootin' time baby" and I take one step into this hallway and fall into a 10 foot pit of spikes, land at the bottom with 1 remaining health point, and because it was a first time run our dm gave us all health potions to make sure we last the next few rounds without dying. So I spent the next like 10 rounds in this pit trying not to die until the rest of the party came to rescue me. Karma. Is. A. Bitch. Then after we got me out of the pit and we went on to explore the rest of the level I take the opportunity to go lootin' once again, trying to pick open a locked and possibly cursed footlocker. The two ghouls hiding in the room didn't like that... The moral is do your perception checks when neither you nor the character can tell what your DM is planning to blindside you with. Typically when you're in a space and can't tell whats around you.

[@stevdor6146]

"the door is lock" "can i _perceive_ if i can knock the door down" *rolls perception check* "no, that's strength" "noooo, i'm just _looking_ at it for its flaws and weaknesses"

[@roxxon6138]

Well....that would arguably be perception or investigation, but never strength.

[@cameronballz6154]

I mean...investigation could theoretically do that

[@skoomad]

Just found your channel and completely in love with it! Keep making us smile and your pockets full, friend!

[@BirdCyclops]

thank you so much!!

[@skoomad]

@@BirdCyclops I would also like to know if you have any covers of your songs in a channel! I watched most of your D&D Stories(I love them! Can we have more c:?) and the songs at the end just fire!

[@BirdCyclops]

@@skoomad i remember making a playlist with all the songs and cover videos ive made! should be on the playlist list on my channel!

[@skoomad]

@@BirdCyclops Yeah, I found it and it's great! But I also thought that there may be your covers on a songs like El loco or Tan Solo, which you put at the end of your vids

[@mantidream8179]

"Perceive the little things that happen on his expression" Full plate armor, helmet completely covering his face 😂

[@damiansampel3746]

Y'know this makes me think about the DMG rule about rolls being based on how the Dm wants to proceed so technically if you could convince a DM you could use your "perception stat" (wis) for insight/investigation. Buy honestly this is funnier as there really needs to be punishment for the more perception reliant players.

[@Nixahma]

If he rolls high enough just tell him the exact facial expression the guy is wearing. That's what perception gets you.

[@Kieferson1]

had a player who was like this but instead of perception it was "can i use persuation for this roll" even tho hes character was blatently lying and the DM told him that that was deception check

[@FaeQueenCory]

0:25 *PREHENSILE EYES* is my favorite spell.

[@HORRIOR1]

Could you do a video on Intimidation? How a hulking giant of a Goliath barbarian with battle scars and spiked makeshift armor is unable to intimidate a bandit because of their CHA 8. While a little Gnomish bard in a silly little hat can scare the shit out of them with their +9.

[@BirdCyclops]

ive done one on intimidation already! but i might do another if i find a different funny take one it :D

[@nm-cp4ck]

I've always thought it was due to the persuasive part of intimidation. Anybody could be scary, but to cause a specific effect from your fear requires careful communication. Unless you're in combat and just what to make them run away, in which case I swap Cha with Str or Dex

[@thissideup521]

Goliath: "H-Hey, I'm a, I'm a big scary...guy....and I'll, uh, hit you? I swear, I'll do it. Believe me." Gnome: *stares into your soul* "May all the Gods have mercy on your hemorrhaged soul if you make me so much as lift my wrist. (Also, I have your browser history.)"

[@idiotcube]

Characters with high charisma seem more daring, more willing to take risky actions...even when they actually aren't. A big strong guy is clearly physically able to punch your face off, but you can't be sure he'd actually be brave or stupid enough to do it just because you aren't doing what he asked you to do. That takes hutzpah! It takes bravado! It takes a certain je-ne-sais-quoi! In short, it takes...charisma!

[@SolarFlairIsBestPony]

The basic books themselves make a case for helping out here. I think it might be the DMG, but I forget. Intimidation is literally the example given, with strength being the substitute. Basically, if it makes sense, the DM might very well allow it. Just, like, be aware of how you're intimidating. Looming, lifting, et cetera, pretty muscle boy stuff. But threats? Ehhh... maybe, but pretty 'charisma'-y. Another example I bet you could make a case for is Wisdom for various intelligence skills, depending on what you want to know. If you just want to know if something is safe or dangerous Wisdom is pretty good at interpreting the meaning of symbols and phrasing even without deep knowledge.

[@darkmage123345]

death save roll...... but it was actually for perception...... worth it

[@BirdCyclops]

i percibe my life coming to an end and then i percibe it not actually happening and i dont die

[@conspiracypanda1200]

@@BirdCyclops "I percieve myself getting rich and ripped and owning an awesome castle where a million servants do everything for me." "I percieve you looking drunk as hell rn, man. Put the bottle down already and shut up."

[@Lyrune]

This is extremely funny from a PF2E player considering that in nearly every scenario you brought up, perception is actually used. Alongside its normal uses in 5e, perception is also used for checking if someone is lying, investigation, and even initiative! Although it's not just a standard skill anymore, as that would lead to an unbalanced decision when it comes to picking out skill proficiencies.

[@Sweet-Leaf]

Oh shit! Dude I haven't seen you in a minute! This is the first vid to hit my front page in a while I didn't even realize it was you! Sittin here like "why does this dude sound familiar?" Then the art style and the bird cyclops clicked!

[@LocalMaple]

Some can be logically argued. Such as Judo being an Acrobatics grapple instead of an Athletics, since the person doing the pin doesn’t have to be as strong as their opponent. Or DMs can argue that Perception can spot different trees, but Nature can tell which tree is more likely to be Demon Koala food. But Perception, Investigation, and Insight? Those are different.

[@jy.creator]

I just

[@Nevict]

Considering his perception, he should have seen that coming.

[@flyingfoxgirl]

I'd like to roll perception to attack the dragon

[@naeg3359]

Why does this sound like me trying to justify my actions leading up to me or me and teams demise 😭

[@Daktangle]

This is one of the things I love about the One D&D test material. Separating Investigation and Perception into two clear uses: Study Action and Search Action. Study is recalling information or working things out and uses Intelligence, Search is noticing things which are not obvious and uses Wisdom.

[@KalKoon]

I got your perception modifier right here!

[@BrotherBoot97]

I dont know who you are, I dont know what this channel is, I dont know why it was in my suggestion feed, but I will like the video and I will leave a comment.

[@phantompyro6482]

"I was about to ask, thank you for clarifying" Ya gotta ask, every time. You never know, maybe you'll see and hear so hard you come back to life. I'm sure it can happen, probably

[@sloppyslabba]

God i love your character design ❤️

[@DragonFries12]

This perfectly portrays what it's like to try and use one specific skill because you have a high modifier on it.

[@phenex5190]

Man this was great. This is what happens when you max 1 stat and have negative modifiers for all the actual important rolls. "Let me convince the GM that this is a perception roll to see if there is a way to climb, instead of athletics to climb it" crazy stuff but always the best moments

[@rylandrc]

Funnily enough, Perception in another system (Pathfinder 2) *is* used for insight/sense-motive.

[@christopherpie8559]

This feels like it was inspired by some recent real-world event for you.

[@justnoob8141]

had someone who want to roll Perception to check someone behavior, he literally forget the rule of thumb of "Perception = See Something/Someone, Investigation = Find Something, Insight = Check Someone"

[@unusuallylargecrab9297]

Good ending

[@amancealexis7360]

I'd say the second one is perception. Investigation is for putting clues together figuring out how traps can be disabled and how secret doors get opened, maybe they get stuck on a puzzle and investigation helps with a clue etc., but the 2nd one is perception by my ruling. There is now way I'd ask for an intelligence check to find something, that is wisdom.

[@byronsmothers8064]

As someone who's played a rogue with expertise in perception (GM eventually just memorized my passive perception for most things) I wish I could've used it for every Wis & Int check, but I don't have a personal Int score of 6 so I know better than to try!

[@gabrielarchangel2658]

Player "I roll perception to search the room for clues, natural 20!" Me/DM "With such a high perception you hear the owner of the room telling the guards you broke into their room, just outside the door." Player "But, but what about the clu-" Me/DM "Now they're opening the door."

[@trublgrl]

"Can I perceive whether or not we are going to win this combat? And I perceive we aren't, then we run the other way."

[@boitata2617]

This was really funny, the insight and perception situation was spot on. Now the perception vs investigation is a weird one, rules wise, like for example, according to RAW when you want to look for traps, you roll perception, once you foubd it you can roll investigation to see if you can figure out: what the trap does, what triggers it, and how to disarm/disable it. Unless any of these would be obivious, like every one knows how a pit trap works, it's a hole. Truth be told, investigation is an odd skill with way to specific uses, so I don't blame people for homevrewing it into "perception w/ scrutiny", but it can leave to some weird misunderstandings

[@thelastcube.]

that Hollow Knight style Intro gave me a quick hit of serotonin

[@nuggetsschumaker4371]

the only use for perception is to notice enemies hiding. it doesn't reveal traps, it doesn't reveal secrets, it doesn't move things around, it doesn't interact with anything, it only tells you if someone is there or not, normally through sight. Low perception leads to Iron Maiden - Fear of the Dark.

[@ramgladore]

It's like when the rogue wants to try stabbing the enemy in the eye in order to blind the enemy and you allow if they first can beat the AC but also give the target a dex save against the specific attack but now the rogue is constantly trying to stab every enemy in the eyes afterwards.

[@KK25Gaming]

When the DM asks you to roll persuasion or deception but you have expertise in one and not the other

[@Grimlore82]

DM: "You tell me, does your character think he was lying?" This is how I do it.

[@becislurking1338]

As someone with high WIS and low INT, I feel that pain XDD Everytime I roll Investigation, I die a little inside.

[@AutisticJesusGaming]

Running my first real campaign. My party has rolled 1 on so many perception checks and it has been iterations of yes this floor is made out of floor

[@hankisdank388]

This is part of why I ask my players to tell me what their character does & leave the calling for ability checks to me. Asking directly for a check also interferes with cases where the information is obvious & does not need a roll, but which can be lost if the player goes for a roll anyways & does poorly.

[@personguy8839]

You can tell he's only got one proficiency

[@samusamythest7946]

As someone who recently started playing Pathfinder as their only math intensive TT RPG, pretty sure everything except the sense motive check and death save would be perception

[@BirdCyclops]

yeah! when it comes to PF2e at least i think perception is everything in here, although in dnd 5e perception, initiative, insight and investigation are all separate skills!

[@Merilirem]

If people could they would use 1 thing for everything.

[@W1ldSm1le]

The joke in my group was trying to use 'nature' the wrong way. "What is the nature of this man's intentions?" "What is the nature of the curse?" There were dozens of these but I only remember a couple

[@AllFiery]

I'm guessing this happens when the Player tries to find a loophole in the rules if they aren't proficient / has low value in other skills, but has high perception.

[@Esodum]

I'd like to roll perception to see with my ethereal eyes a way to scape from the plane of souls

[@dragonboyjgh]

>can I use my perception modifier to perceive the fight is starting sooner? *[Paizo would like to know your location]*

[@jacob6071]

"I want to perceive the best hiding spot"

[@MissLilianae]

The last one I feel could be somewhat justified. I have a hard time explaining (or even understanding) the difference between Perception and Investigation. I've played a lot of 4e and PF and in both systems Perception was the catch-all skill for "Do I see/notice something?" So having two different skills for "Do I see something in general?" (Perception) vs "Do I see something when I'm actively looking through an area/container?" (Investigation) feels kind of weird and arbitrary.

[@Cheerwine091]

Funnily enough, in **Pathfinder 2e**, you DO use perception for initiative.

[@AndrewS-vu4ji]

Something something most of the time initiative is determined by perception in Pathfinder 2e

[@TheSkullFrost]

Dnd 5e: "That's not how perception works." Pathfinder 2e: "That's exactly how perception works."

[@GeneralGunkRat]

Fun fact, in Pathfinder 2e, there is no initiative stat. Instead, you roll what ever skill applies to the situation, with is normally "Perception to see the monsters approaching." Other common skills are stealth if you're trying to surprise someone, athletics if you're busting down a door, or diplomacy if it's a social encounter that requires initiative

[@theriveracis5172]

In his defense there's some major annoyance how perception is used for so much, but other such checks along the same line are different I have similar complaints for athletics vs acrobatics

[@TheBluestflamingos]

Wisdom tells you that there's a ticking noise. Intellegence tells you it's a bomb.

[@christopherg2347]

Funnily enough, in Pathfinder 2E Perception is used for insight, investigation/Search *and* Initiative. Not death saves or attacks, however.

[@hrtmonitor814]

in pathfinder 2e perception is actually used in place of insight and circumstancially initiative for this very reason

[@superbunnybun]

so many people do this, and forget passive perception even exists

[@Sigilstone17]

Need one of these for persuasion. IT'S NOT A GODDMAN MIND CONTROL SPELL

[@Knightfall8]

oh look it's every damn 5e session ever (that ive participated in)

[@VitaminDitter]

ah dude, I love the peepeepoopoo man 2 game the DM was playing behind the screen!

[@BirdCyclops]

its a great sequel but the team got so WOKE, whats next? pee pee poo poo WOMAN???

[@Sarriuz]

Rogue's out here doing the most.

[@jymbeautuesday]

That salty is spicy

[@davideprevitera5537]

the insight is kind of obvious while the case for serarching the room is more up to the dm if he allows it.

[@mutant_soy]

No one talking about the little piece of paper on the dm screen 😂

[@ravencorvus7903]

Really perceptive video. 4/5 stars.

[@andrewholcomb3695]

20/20 stars

[@OlafJorigson]

When you put everything into perception so you try to play around that fact by using persuasion on your DM.

[@shadowseir6981]

I can't explain how this ..slowly filled me with anger...fantastic skit. And yeah...using perception like this....God I was hoping the DM was just gonna kill him..And they did!!! Yay!!

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

In pf2 it's convenient - perception is investigating, insighting and even initiative. He would be happy there.

[@zigtailzapper3723]

Weirdly enough I think perception would be used to find things in the room. Investigation is really weird to pin but it’s meant to be used to draw conclusions and put together information, not to see things that are hidden (unless there’s clues in the room about where they’re hidden, very weird like I said)

[@metaridley2911]

Jesus, I remember a player like that. Only instead of perception, it was intimidation. Seemed to think that the intimidation check was a Swiss army ability. This has either gotten his cover blown during a covert operation (because the person screamed out loud the moment he was out of sight), him targeted for being a threat to civilians, or just him getting straight clocked in the face for _thinking_ he could intimidate someone who's strong enough to not give a shit.

[@Henarato]

"actually I'm an empath so"

[@driftinghobbies277]

i feel this on a siritual lvl from doing one shots