D&D COMMONER STRENGTH

[@BobWorldBuilder]

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[@supersmily5811]

The reason why the 10 Strength for Commoners checks out is because the statblock isn't meant to represent a modern human, but a fantasy era one. In such circumstances, Commoners are likely more physically fit than the average human in our civilization, due to having higher physical demands on their every day lives. Farm work, walking everywhere, etc.

[@elazarok8981]

wouldnt you have to move 30 ft in 6 second ?

[@tears_of_asariel3198]

@@elazarok8981 they moved 5 ft in ~ 1 second, so it would equal out to being 30 ft in 6 seconds anyway, but that is the metric for speed not str, they just did this to see if they could still move easily

[@gregoryeverson741]

play dodgeball for Dex

[@gregoryeverson741]

@@tears_of_asariel3198 its the metric of weight over distance, nothing for speed, its movement

[@Zachafinackus]

Gotta remember that most commoners in D&D usually work some kind of manual labor job, so they would be pretty strong.

[@Hellion232Z]

Are you going to test CON by drinking poison and getting drunk? or does Stephen just punch you until you run out of hitpoints?

[@BobWorldBuilder]

We went a more athletic route for CON as well lol, that video will be out in a couple weeks :)

[@devin5201]

Oh you could get a cat to scratch you until you fall unconscious, since cats deal one damage per swipe you'll know your exact number of hp! Don't try this, cats carry some nasty bacteria on their claws.

[@andrewsheiman8574]

@@BobWorldBuilder the best way to test con scores is lick random doorknobs and see how long it takes for you to catch the plague.

[@theultimatederp3288]

@@devin5201 Cat:[Rolls natural 20 on sneak attack] "I grab his family jewels with my claws."

[@devin5201]

@@theultimatederp3288 Oh god a cat with rogue levels and assassin archetype.

[@petsdinner]

My players at session zero: I thought you were just gonna have us roll stats tonight Me, rolling my eyes whilst signing them into the gym: well what do you *think* I'm doing

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Haha, this might be my favorite comment :)

[@petsdinner]

@@BobWorldBuilder Them, panting with exhaustion: are we done yet? Me, handing out a general knowledge quiz: nope now it's time for Wisdom and Intelligence Them, clearly livid: now listen here you &&&&ing &&&& we came here to play &&&&ing D&D not whatever the &&&& this is Me, giving them all 6 for Charisma: interesting

[@wumpusthehunted2628]

This is how my gamemaster handled villains and vigilantes in the early 1980s (no actual test, and you could lie like rug on the stats*) can't say if that was the rule or not, I never read the book. That's the "official" way rpgs worked back in the day. Sold less books, but in practice everybody typically needed to know them for their turn behind the screen. I will say that this helped make that V&V a great experience. That an the imagination of the gamemaster. - note that said gamemaster was even less athletic than myself and that at least one rather unpopular kid claimed max charisma.

[@wumpusthehunted2628]

In the AD&D first ed, Gary Gygax declared that strength was equal to the weight you could military press over your head (in pounds) divided by 10. I've typically assumed something like an Olympic lift as my seated military press sucked. And since this was AD&D there was exceptional strength as well (for fighters, rangers, paladins) but no other exceptional scores (or typically scores over 18 for mortals). You could test players on "languages spoken", but that would be brutal on American players, let alone in Wisconsin. And I don't think learning Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan, and French is anything like learning the languages of 5 different species (even if they actually interbreed).

[@ShengFink]

@@wumpusthehunted2628 interesting and I see where you’re coming from. Learning Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan, and French isn’t learning 5 languages, it’s learning 5 dialects of human.

[@TheGray524]

I can't wait to DM a party of nothing but commoners.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Turns out they're pretty tough!

[@drysplash196]

This is basically PE class in disguise

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Shhhhhh

[@zacharyhawley1693]

OMG schools secretly check your STR score

[@roseszalay2869]

What I wouldn't give for a d&d style gym / pe course 😂

[@jacobstaten2366]

This and obstacle courses (even those inflatable ones) would make PE way more fun, and if you're having fun, you'll keep doing it.

[@HeroSabre]

PE5e

[@ScaredWhiteKidJake]

Standing high jump is actually calculated from the top not the bottom, for the reason you showed. Reach your hands above your head, measure the tip of your finger from the ground- then do the same jumping.

[@backonlazer791]

I agree. There's also this line which supports it: "You can extend your arms half your height above yourself during the jump. Thus, you can reach above you a distance equal to the height of the jump plus 1 1/2 times your height."

[@BobWorldBuilder]

It can be, but the rules lead with clearance off the ground, then provide a way to calculate reach while jumping

[@davidjay7116]

Are you trying to reach the next step in a frost giant's staircase or are you avoiding an automated scythe sweeper trap?

[@irishlad4723]

@@BobWorldBuilder the rules are wrong then 😂. Still loved the video though! Haha

[@JohnMarte001]

Yeah another way to measure it is to keep your legs straight after jumping which is the distance off the floor you actually managed to clear

[@andrewsimons8625]

This was fun to watch. Love d&d and being physically active!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thank you! This series has really helped me start getting outside more after a year of mostly indoors living. Hope it can get other outside too :D

[@heikesiegl2640]

You should buy Dungeons & workouts ^^ its german though

[@andrewsimons8625]

If you're ever in Florida and want to quantify an ability score change I run 3 gyms.

[@zac9933]

@@andrewsimons8625 I can't remember the last time I ran or went to a gym. I can't imagine running 3 gyms. I know what you meant. I'm just goofing 😄

[@andrewsimons8625]

@@zac9933 puns are always welcome brother. I got tired of my Everquest character being stronger than me and I never looked back. RIP Coramac

[@marcusstusek5843]

When calculating your carrying capacity, you should actually be able to move your full 30 ft in 6 seconds, not the 5ft used in the video. I think you would find that you all struggle more to move at your normal pace when carrying Bob

[@anthonynorman7545]

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[@splashingzaharat8943]

Exactly. I can fireman carry my friend more than 5 ft which would put me at str 15, but I definitely cannot carry him for 100 yds. Which would mean a commoner is so much more stronger and tougher than me since they can carry 150lbs over 24 miles in 8 hours.

[@BlazeMakesGames]

yeah I was confused as to why they were only walking 5 feet. The point is that you can act fully normally and do everything you could do as an adventurer up to your carry limit, which is a lot more than walking 5 feet in 6 seconds.

[@QuolashMCDuck]

you should also be able to do it all day. its not supposed to be a hinderance. for a dnd commoner.

[@paulcoy9060]

Yeah, I thought something was hinky. We need a redo.

[@euansmith3699]

This set of videos have been a joy and a revelation. Thank you for sharing your experiments in practical fantasyology.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Really glad you're enjoying it! :)

[@DoubtedZoo]

Blessing to us all

[@darthvegan]

4:05 Stephen in a hot nerd sandwich there...but seriously. Great video folks!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Hahah well it was a pretty warm day :P

[@darthvegan]

@@BobWorldBuilder hahaha well said.

[@tunkatodd4539]

I am really nerding out with these vids. I love it that Bob & the crew will be able to get their real life (approximation) stats. Being disabled I am afraid my STR would be low on the jumping tests but would score maybe above average on the lifting & carry tests.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Totally! In the end, we just averaged the ones that we completed-- like we didn't even try to test our max lift

[@cooperedington3859]

I’ve really enjoyed this series and several other videos you’ve done. Just a quick note though. You may want to retest your high jump and do it as a vertical test. Basically using your max reach upwards as the zero point and measuring jump distance from there. Love to see the results

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Yeah while filming, I realized I should have bought a long 2x4 or something and painted it up mythbusters-style to measure the distances. Maybe in a future follow up! :)

[@hallowedjake]

@@BobWorldBuilder in general high jumps you’re not aloud to bend your knees as well.

[@wanderingbardagain6945]

This series has been so much fun. I love that you aren't taking it super serious, but just having fun with the concept and obviously having a good time doing it. Keep it up!

[@brentroberts8602]

The Bob and Grace Show featuring Stephen has become my favorite D&D KZbin channel. Very entertaining, fun and informative. Must see tv! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thank you very much, Brent! Always appreciate your positivity

[@O4C209]

If you want to safely test the 300 lb limit for lifting/dragging/pushing, get yourself a couch. A typical three seat couch weighs about 300 lbs. If you can move it across the room, you got a 10 Str. Which is reasonable.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Haha, that's actually the perfect modern analogue for a regular person exerting their max strength

[@michaelpeele5739]

That really, really, really depends on the floor. For my hardwood floors, a 6 year old can push it. For the carpet, it takes two common adults.

[@WeretigerX]

To be fair, the push, drag, and lift part is the least reliable to compare to real life. Way too many variables that affect it. Lifting a 50lb dumbbell is not the same as lifting a 50lb dresser. The grip or lack thereof can severely increase or decrease how much you can actually lift. Bulky items are harder because of the weight distribution. And when it comes to pushing or dragging, surface friction plays such an important role. A normal human can push or drag a 300lb refrigerator over a smooth hard floor. But try doing that in the middle of a forest.

[@TriariusMetzer]

You make valid points difficult tertian like a forest though would slow down half your movement. Size, grip and weight of the person moving the object helps too. a 200lb person has better start potential to move an object oh higher weight. I don't think dragging 300 lbs is as dangerous as they make it out to be we do similar stuff in our normal lives like pushing the car out of gas or stuck on ice, moving a couch or bed, dragging your entertainment center or computer case a few feet would be similar.

[@krel7160]

@@TriariusMetzer I suppose if you consider it like a "block that weighs 300 lbs" versus "a 300 lb+ item that is on wheels", the math gets fuzzy

[@TriariusMetzer]

@@krel7160 yeah a car is like 1500 on wheels, but you get the point. I consider when talking about the pull drag part of d&d I tend to think a stretcher that you would lay a person on and pull behind you. Or a sled of some kind. Typically in d&d most are only moving the massive boulder over enough to squeeze pass. So I guess how does one define pull or drag farmers wouldn't drag a plow through a field they have oxen for that so it's why I don't consider it to be something a player could do for very long nor travel a huge distance but maybe I am wrong thinking that way if the rules define if differently.

[@krel7160]

@@TriariusMetzer At the end of the day I'd say take it case by case, it's a game after all, and the rule doesn't have to be law if the players want to take some creativity liberty with the DM's discretion.

[@TriariusMetzer]

@@krel7160 true enough some liberty in game is made but if we are talking about testing a commoner's strength and using ourselves are we as strong as a commoner. We would have figure out what is meant by dragging 300lbs. How much risk is it? Placing 300lbs in a plastic bob sled and dragging it is probably not that dangerous in my opinion but it's just mine. What if they had a different image in their head like a block 300lbs that's the size of a human and trying to move that through grass. That would seem far more dangerous and maybe a little impossible. I remember in football practice back in highschool we were expected to drive a padded sled plus the weight of a coach about 5 yard and we would do this several times as a drill. So I guess in my mind it doesn't seem nearly as dangerous as was implied. But as I said different perspective and I have a different life background to draw from then they did and it's okay video was still awesome.

[@dahelmang]

I think it's safe to say a commoner in D&D has a more physically rigorous lifestyle than the majority of Americans or Canadians or Europeans today. You guys did well!

[@MrGiaphage]

Hello from Australia! Frequent gym goer here, lifting 300lbs as a baseline is INSANE! For those who use metric (like me), you're looking at 135ish kg for an average human, no clue how Jeremy came up with that one. Keep up the great videos!

[@kyleweir689]

Because they're not 21st century average human. They're "work the fields all day and build things by hand" Middle ages type person.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thanks for sharing!! Especially for sharing the metric units. I have to remember to include that next time!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

True, but a good deal of commoners are not laborers in their prime. This stat block applies to just about everybody!

[@nyetloki]

Assuming someone is intermediate in dead lifting, a 150lb person should be able to deadlift almost 300lbs according to every deadlift chart I just googled. The lifting is a spurt of energy Stat.

[@MrGiaphage]

@@nyetloki "Intermediate deadlifter" refers to literally years of training in the gym though, typically 2-3 years. Sometimes googling the answer doesn't give the full picture! At 150lbs (67.5ish kgs) deadlifting 300lbs is actually quite an achievement

[@fro4152]

Charisma Video We head to local bar a pick up...

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Oh no xD

[@abomidog]

Love this video. I was curious and looked up what a real life human could realistically carry throughout an adventuring day (hiking, for example). From the article I read, it turns out that the heavier you are, the less weight you can carry for long periods, and that lighter people carry larger loads way more easily. The general recommended weight for one to carry without adverse effects turns out to be around 25-30% of your body weight. It makes me wonder where Crawford gets the numbers for carrying capacity, aside from making less rules about carrying basic adventuring gear. Though I'd be up for trying a campaign that uses "real life" encumbrance rules, where even adventurers have to bring hirelings, wagons, and animals just to carry their equipment lol

[@DungeonMasterpiece]

Also, it took me 9 months of dedicated training to squat 300 lbs on a barbell.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

That's awesome! And that's why we didn't even try it :P

[@DungeonMasterpiece]

@@BobWorldBuilder I'm glad you were smart enough not to try! Lol. That was my point lol. You definitely would have hurt yourself.

[@ivocorte1580]

@@DungeonMasterpiece Imo the part that makes sense to me is the "dragging/pushing" part, as in, throwing your bodyweight against an obstacle to move it. I think that makes more sense and is safer to test by pushing furniture around or smth.

[@devin5201]

Yeah like no matter what you define as lifting, the ability to move 300 pounds of stuff is NOT average, it is pretty darn remarkable.

[@DoubtedZoo]

We should also contextualizar the fact that nowadays we have SUPER cushioned lives while in these worlds people would be active for most of the day too

[@Enn-]

I'm just glad that you're all having fun with friends.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

I'm glad you're glad!

[@LeWebslinger]

This is a perfect example to demonstrate that simple doesn't imply lazy or shallow content. You are funny, you did a great job in editing and I enjoy seeing friends goofing around. Thanks

[@KaleDavid]

Great vid, Bob! Hope you hit your 2k goal!!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thanks! We're getting there!

[@dudeist_priest]

This series is great, idk how you make it look like you're having fun outside!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Just wait for the videos I have planned for CON and travel pace... it's more sacrifice than fun lol

[@zoltanwolfe1260]

I think the standing high jump stuff actually makes sense. Being made that way stops your 20 str dude from clearing like a 7 foot wall or something

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Haha good point!

[@thetruestinsanegamer10]

But a 2 foot tall gnome with 20 str could still jump 3 times his height, which is oddly terrifying.

[@lowestoftmattyhere]

@@thetruestinsanegamer10 a 2 foot tall gnome with 20 strength would be terrifying

[@thetruestinsanegamer10]

@@lowestoftmattyhere Someday I will play a rune knight gnome with 20 strength... someday...

[@argeniosm]

Hey Bob, I really hope the end of this series is running, jumping, fighting, and carrying almost max capacity for 10 rounds of fighting, and see how exhausted you are.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Haha yes we'll have to start combining some of these down the line. And I'm pretty sure it will be impossible xP

[@MarlonOwnsYourCake]

All the time I spent searching for content like this in the past 4 years to no avail and now your content just randomly shows up recommended

[@willtijerina5149]

Fun and informative as always. Huzzah!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

And big thanks as always, Will!

[@willtijerina5149]

@@BobWorldBuilder Bob, truly you're to D&D what The Mandalorian was to Star Wars. You make it fun and interesting again.

[@oisinmoyne9704]

Great video again! Loving this new series. Keep up the good work

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thanks! I appreciate you taking the time to comment!

[@michaelvancore5553]

I always get so excited when I see a new BWB video

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thank you! Always excited to see kind comments :D

[@posslord1221]

This is one of the most IRL comparing educational random entertaining DnD series I've ever seen. That sentence did not make sense but I know what I meant

[@BobWorldBuilder]

I know what you meant too, and thanks! :)

[@Brandon-dj2ep]

“Strength is my dump stat” XD

[@BobWorldBuilder]

She's a silly one! :P

[@TheCaptainstupendous]

A slight wrinkle in the standing vertical jump that I see is that for practical in game application, the character would either be jumping onto something, thus moving at least five feet horizontally at the same time, or jumping to grab something, which would mean you'd measure from the head/finger tips. Really like these vids keep it up!

[@bobhihih]

New jump ruling to add flavor: -D6+STR mod for high jump(running or standing), and standing long jump. -D8+STR mod for running long jump. Carry capacity is a decent ruling as is.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

I like that! A little uncertainty makes it more fun

[@stinky1895]

Great video! I was shocked to see how easily y'all were able to lift so much weight and walk at a regular pace, I think I might be more of a weakling than I realized! Also, I really enjoyed Building at the end of the video for 3 seconds before being instructed to cease by human wizard "THE FIST"

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Hey, you may be stronger than you think! We impressed ourselves with this one!

[@EmmettMcMullan]

Really cool video. Thanks for making this!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

And thank you for watching and commenting! Making it was our pleasure!

[@FrostSpike]

Now try doing those standing long jumps wearing 50 lbs of gear... 😃

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Lemme work out for several months real quick

[@nyetloki]

@@BobWorldBuilder Bob Muscle Builder

[@lwnasidh]

I've really been enjoying this video series. The running and difficult terrain videos have been excellent. This one was a lot of fun, but I do think the distances and heights in this video were a little over-estimated. The distances were judged based on the front of the foot, which means the "commoners" didn't clear the distance if they were, for instance, leaping over a gap. The 7-foot leaps would really only have stuck the landing on a 5-1/2 to 6 foot gap. Same with the heights... lifting the feet behind the legs doesn't stick the landing... if you actually have to safely land on a raised surface or grab a bar several feet above your normal reach, that would provide a more accurate estimate.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Yeah that's totally fair haha, we didn't firmly have those standards in mind while shooting. When I started the edit, I was initially going by the heel for long jumps, but it seemed weird that all the numbers we were saying out loud didn't match with what I was putting on screen, so I decided to just add that note that we measured by the toe. Since the high jumps are also used to clear obstacles (not necessarily landing on a new surface), I think that came out okay.

[@lwnasidh]

@@BobWorldBuilder Yeah, you were good for clearing objects... Most of the time as a DM, I use those heights for being able to jump up onto something, so that's where my mind goes.

[@cssruth]

I just love how happy you all are about math in practice.

[@JJJSmit9026]

this is why it aggravates me when someone says that if someone from real life was put in to D&D they would have a commoner stat block, the commoner stat block is specifically for characters who aren't significant enough for the dm to make a custom stat block for, in real life people don't all have the same intelligence wisdom dexterity constitution and strength.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Yep! Everyone is different. A lot of people seem to think commoners are all middle aged farmers, but it's just not the case!

[@JohnHegner]

The Commoner stat block is the raw average of the milieu of society, mostly serfs and peasants that made up the bulk of the labor caste in service to the local lord. As such, the intention is that they represent that baseline and are capable of working a day in the fields productively, not succumbing to fatigue or disease any faster or slower than normal, are possessing of functional but unremarkable coordination, are mentally capable (though likely not well read), possessing of "common" sense, and aren't displeasing to be around. Anyone of note branches off of this as indicated in the DMG with regards to making NPCs. Notably the high/low stat. There might be the strong farmhand who is sheepish and shy, or the kind peasant girl who spends most days in doors due to her poor health. The learned old farmer whose strength isn't what it used to be, or the agile huntswoman who hasn't read a book in her life. However, as it stands, the vast majority of modern sedentary 1st world D&D playing people will average out into a semblance of base 10s. Most of our "intelligence" is actually skill proficiencies we have learned through our extensive years in the education system (12 years of schooling for a high school diploma = ~308 school weeks to devote to skill training. Though we only apply 1 hour/day on any given subject rather than a whole day. Given homework is ~2 hours a day and school is roughly 6, that gives us 8 hours spent on 6 subjects, or 1.25 hours per subject/day. If it takes 10 works weeks x 7 days x 8 hours = 560 hours to train a skill in Xanathar's, then our 308 school weeks x 5 days x 8 hours = 12,320 hours of skill training 12320/560 = 22 skills. That is a TON of knowledge. So, our average sedentary 1st world D&D playing modern human is a skill monkey with average stats. That gives them a massive advantage over the Commoner, even if they had reduced physical stats due to not performing physical labor from sun-up-to-sun-down, because of all those +2 proficiency bonuses.

[@JJJSmit9026]

@@JohnHegner that's fair, I kind of just saw the commoner stat block as something for when the stats of a humanoid opponent or ally don't really matter, or the fight was unexpected and you need some stats for the people involved, I guess it makes sense that some people would have even stats. I still don't agree with your 3rd paragraph, as seen in this video, majority of people's stats are varied, 10 could make sense as an average, but it's probably not the majority.

[@heiter_bis_pingelig2877]

To be honest I do think it would fit to people decently well. Maybe it is computer games or novels and super hero movies fault, but most nerds think they are super smart, when in reality, they have average or only slightly higher intelligence when looking at all possible topics. I think most modern people have grown to feel the need to be good at something to not look like a nobody. But in reality most of us aren't good at something. We might be decent at a few things and some of us a pretty good a some things, but none of us is good at a lot of things. So when you average it out, we end up being mediocre all around. A weight lifter is really strong in that ,lifting weights, but when looking at their running speed or jumping hight, you will quickly see what I mean. Now take a high jumper, then look at their ability to lift lots of weight .... swimmer that you give an obsticle course, biker that climbs up a stone wall, you should get the idea. It is the constant display of achievments in specific fields that makes people think they are special (physically, because everyone is different, but mostly because of their character, not because of their knowledge, strength, wisdom or whatever). Same can be said for intelligence, charisma and so on. The only possible exception for me would be wisdom. In DnD it is like intuition, the ability to quickly decide something well, to read a situation in a split-second. But intuition is based on experience with the situation at hand or similar ones and that takes lots of years to gather. So a very young person generally has less reliable intuition than an older one. That is why wisdom is often credited to the elderly. So that would be a score that would rise with age, while the physical ones would possible decrease with age. But overall I do think that most of us will be exactly as mundane and average as the commoner is described, arguably even worse in a sense. We all like to think we are smarter than other people, but when tested we all land dead center on the average again, which is 10 in this case.

[@leonidandanyabortsov5405]

@@JJJSmit9026 funnily enough you're 100% correct. If we take averages of humans, like height, weight, or anything, the result is a person that does not exist. The person that should be most common by the prediction is nonexistant.

[@treyellis3]

I love this. Keep up the good work Bob, Grace, and Stephen!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thank you!

[@BigSeth1090]

Love the videos man! Just a thought if you ever do a follow-up - I think you could safely test the “lift, drag, push” value with a pretty simple setup. Any form of lift would involve some danger, but a drag or a push could be feasible if you used some type of sled or something similar (flat bottom, not rails), place 300lbs worth of weight/people and attempt on a surface that isn’t very smooth, and either arrange the weight/people so that you can try to push, or attach a rope and try to pull (probably how I would do it). Seems like it should be very safe beyond the risk of overstraining, which is always present attempting anything in these videos!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thanks! Haha, no joke, we were thinking about just dragging each other around!

[@fries1850]

Great video! I hope you keep making these :)

[@BobWorldBuilder]

More to come! :)

[@bradmolyneaux5883]

This is great! I don't know if there's a better way to do stats and ability scores. There are strong people who can lift but can't jump near as far as someone trained for that and vice versa. It's probably easier game wise to average everything out and let the dice decide

[@ryanhale6339]

Yes. I was a long jumper in high school, but I had no upper body strength. My best long jump was 19 feet, but my best bench press was maybe 80 lbs. Guess I min-maxed a bit. And there is no way I could jump even half of that with an extra 25 lbs.

[@Roxas2473]

I'd love to see you make full character sheets that are basically just you.

[@JackOfHearts42]

Awesome! such a great demonstration.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thank you! It was a lot of fun to try

[@RIVERSRPGChannel]

Very cool video on the rules and strength

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Glad you liked it!

[@beatlemaniac729]

The tableau of you reading TPH on the bench press bench is giving me life.

[@DimaJeydar]

I *just* watched the episode with Jocks Machina by the way. Great timing.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Haha perfect!

[@Dreadjanof]

I really love this series

[@BobWorldBuilder]

I appreciate that, thank you for commenting!

[@Diditallforthexp]

Bro I really like your content. Delivery is charismatic with nice dry jokes, and the content tickles my nerd-bone like a ghost tickles Dan Akroyd's genitals. Liked, subbed and I'm about to head down the Bob World Builder catalog, so thanks!

[@Sarados1980]

Really fun video with a nice visualisation. I think if discussing the "realism of D&D stats" most people underestimate the effect regular training has (even without getting much stronger etc.). When I started my basic military training I couldn't complete the 5 km track in one go. After only a month of training I was able to complete it in a time I wouldn't have dreamed of during my school years. Adventurers, even with low physical stats, are people who are in constant training (especially martial classes), so they will be able to do much more then us "couch potatos" :D

[@DungeonMasterpiece]

What I learned from this video: Bob weighs 125 lbs!???!!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Lol yeah, as I thought when reading that on Stephen's scale, 125 was actually low. I hadn't weighed myself for a looong time, but I've been at least above 130 my whole adult life. Really we should add 5-10 lbs to the estimates with me as the weight :P

[@swaghauler8334]

What's really scary is when I was in the Army, I road marched 30 miles with the 10th Mountain carrying a weight equal to Bob!

[@DungeonMasterpiece]

@@swaghauler8334 wow yeah......

[@MikeDePaul]

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[@DMace2012]

I would definitely like to see you retry the carry weight test with the yoke implement that strongman competitors use. It makes it much easier to measure your carry strength without having to take grip into account. Wonderful job on your testing at home!

[@swiftriverrun]

Grace Naruto running gave me life. What a fun video! Steve the animal!

[@antwan1357]

I love this! I've always wanted to see what my stats where found out I was about the same speed , and strength of a donkey.

[@SourceCod33]

“What we learned he is that you need athletic training to reach baseline commoner strength” That actually makes sense when you think about it, a commoner probably farms, by hand, on a field all day so that would probably count as strength training

[@michaelpeele5739]

or a butcher, baker, candlestick maker, blacksmith, lumberjack -- all involve significant manual labor.

[@MrMeatzombie]

As other people have noted, you should move the full 30 feet while carrying that weight and not have it affect movement at all. The long jump should be measured by the heel, if you don't have the full 5 feet of movement, you can't enter that square For the standing high jumps, you still need to clear an obstacle that high, the slight forward momentum might change things. Love these videos!

[@mcargent]

This works when you're young, skinny, and not falling apart. I probably couldn't jump 7' with a running long jump, but I'm certain that I can carry a ridiculous amount of weight before it starts to impact my walking speed. 😁 Fun video. I appreciate it.

[@WhyDoesMyCodeNotCompile]

Great Video, can't wait to see you study for an iq test to measure Intelligence, live in a Monk Monastery to further your wisdom and start a cult around an eldritch monster to compare your charisma

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Challenge accepted

[@WholesomeJack]

Like the damn video I want to see variant encumbrance

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Haha that's the attitude! Still about 15 hours to go!

[@frost8077]

I never knew D&D had a methodology in place for stat values (I only played a few times). Many years ago, I was coming up with a series of exercises for people to do for RPG base stats, except with many more variables to test for. One problem I faced was trying to develop a test for defense, which would need some punching machine to test how much power a person is willing to take and reduce points for how easy they bruise, while cut resistance will have to be left for the person to estimate.

[@fracturedreality88]

I loved the sound of nature in the background

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thanks! Me too :)

[@AndrewBinning]

Loving the content! Not everything lines up perfectly, but it is all close enough to make the game work.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thanks! Yeah I'm consistently surprised how close our results are to the rules (within reason)

[@dallassukerkin6878]

I have to say these are strangely entrancing vids :D. I am sure that all of us into D&D and RPG have tried to translate ourselves into character stats over the years and to see some actual experimentation is great :). For me, I always scored well in the non-physical stats when my party-mates tried to fit me to the tables ... I wonder if Bob can figure out a way to try to measure these? After all it is much harder to come up with an easy test for WIS or CHR than STR or DEX.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thank you! Yeah it seems that only STR and CON actually have equations in the book that can translate to real life. Not sure how to test DEX or any mental stats yet. We may do some kind of IQ test for INT, but we'll see :)

[@sansundertale9071]

This is great, yall look like yall are having a good time n this is a very fun vid

[@WhatsUpGazpacho]

I really enjoy these D&D irl videos :)

[@EelcoWind]

With your standing still high jump, you should measure your center of gravity (read belly button), not the clearance of the feet. You guys still made it, though, but probably no STR 16 :p

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Ahhh, this I like! A bunch of folks said to measure the height, but I think this method would actually be the most accurate

[@brothertaddeus]

@@BobWorldBuilder Normally when measuring high jump for sports like basketball or volleyball, they do extend their arms up and measure by fingertips because the wingspan matters a lot for those sports. I think a lot of people are used to measuring high jump that way, so that's why they say that. (Plus, most often when using a high jump in D&D, it's all about jumping up to reach a ledge so you can clamber up, and wingspan would matter for that too.)

[@gantoniopatriarca9520]

Now we are speaking my language. As a strength sport aficionado and former competitor (powerlifting, strength lifting, strongman) I love the fact that you can convert your strength into D&D strength. I prefer using the older overhead press method. I do have a problem with using jumping as a method of measuring strength, you are actually only measuring neuro-muscular efficiency. And I suppose I should flex now, I am well into my 50's and I still have an 18/50 strength.

[@samburgess7924]

The maths checks out this time.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thank you! xD

[@WiserOdin]

this is why we had jump checks in 3.5 D&D (which could be easily folded into athletics), the idea was to simulate the amount of 'technique' that goes into a jump, hence having a variable output based on the skill roll

[@blight040]

Back when my friends and I were in the army we went gym and got our stats. It was a lot of fun

[@chriscolley7760]

Bob you are definitely a dexterity based character for sure

[@BobWorldBuilder]

I agree haha, just need a good way to test dex!

[@DarkDay2012]

This was honestly great. I'd love to see the standing high jump again except you lock out your legs when you jump, so you'd measure to the bottom of the feet while the legs are straight. It felt like everything else was more or less within a realistic margin of error so it'd be cool to see how close the standing high jump was to the rules

[@powersave2]

Need that next video lets go

[@BobWorldBuilder]

The series will go on!

[@shdwbnndbyyt]

Doing a running high jump, I could clear a 5 foot bamboo pole at age 13 to 16... now that am much older (61) with bad knees and too much weight on them, I can barely jump... BUT, I can still pickup over 100 pounds (mainly using my better knee for power) and can move drag or pull over 300 pounds... down from the over 1000 pounds I did in my 20's (a piece of machinery on locked wheels I had to push from one building into another by myself (it was equipment need for my project, and no one else had time to help me).

[@KarmasAB123]

The carrying part would also be determined to be a very different number depending on HOW you are supposed to lift things. It's usually a lot easier to carry things on your back than in front of you.

[@brandongray5043]

Loved the video! I believe the old AD&D rules stated strength was what you could press overhead divided by 10. So if you had a Str of 18 you'd be able to overhead press 180. I feel like in some cases this would be decently accurate.

[@jeice13]

I think the standing high jump was probably refering to how much higher you can reach not clearance, or at least that makes more sense considering how many peoples shins are at least 1 foot long

[@opus5770]

Fun video!! Only thing I'd add is that I think the jumping stuff is supposed to be while you have gear on. Unless you plan on taking off all your gear before each jump, or if you're a wizard with no gear (other than a stinking pouch of bat shit). Because in that case I can definitely see the standing jump of 1.5 feet being more realistic. Jumping with 150 lbs of gear is hard work. Dangerous too, so be careful if you try this!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thanks! Yes, I'm think that after a bunch more of these, I'm going to do one video where I redo most or all of the tests with a pack and other gear on

[@bcaiko]

Wow, I can describe myself as weighing "like 2 Bobs" now. (But a half Bob in comparable adorableness.)

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Hahah, I guess we'll see about adorableness when we figure out how to test Charisma

[@anthonynorman7545]

A lot of people are taking issue with the way you tested the vertical jump, but I think it's fine given that most of the time a high jump in D&D is about going over an obstacle as opposed to reaching for something.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Yes! I think both approaches are valid, and we just didn't have the right set up (or at least a safe set up) to be reaching for different heights or landing on ledges

[@anthonynorman7545]

@@BobWorldBuilder I'm glad y'all are putting safety as the top priority!

[@michaelwinter742]

Don’t skip leg day. Don’t skip on leg day. Donuts Kippon lay g’day!

[@frederickayer3602]

I may need to house rule vertical jumping whether you're running or not running, you still get running height calculation, this could make for some interesting acrobatics maneuvers in combat with jump spell/ring etc. Thanks for doing it. I eagerly await the other 5 stats!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Very happy you found some inspiration in this video!

[@QuirkyView]

The high jump is not actually referring to the height you can get your feet to, but the height your body as a whole moves up, since it says you can grab ledges as high as your high jump height + your height + half your height for arm reach. The book claims that a commoner can jump 3 feet off the ground without lifting their legs to get them over an obstacle.

[@VictorianTimeTraveler]

This is awesome Not knocking anything you guys just did, Just thinking out loud and throwing in my two cents on this topic. The best metric to measure someone's strength is there squat, deadlift and overhead press. Standing high jump is more measure of power rather than strength. Dude come to think of it maybe strength and power should be separate stats. That would bring even more depth to Marshall classes. Think of say.. Thor Bjornsson and Aleksey Lovchev, one would have a ridiculously high strength stat the other one would have a ridiculously high power stat.

[@knightowl1985]

I hope at the end of this you guys make your real life character sheets.

[@BobWorldBuilder]

That's the idea! :)

[@mhero6865]

Early Rule Set, maybe Blue Box Basic or White Box or Original AD&D stated Strength = Military Press Weight /10 so 18 STR meant you could standing military press 180lbs

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Ahh now that's a fun fact!

[@andrewpark3591]

First edition player’s handbook said that strength was your military press in pounds divided by 10

[@BobWorldBuilder]

I love D&D history! I also noticed that the 1e AD&D PHB has different STR mins/maxs for the races and classes

[@missa2855]

You should watch the reel truth history episode on the victorian workhouse. With an athlete unable to do the work of commoners of the past, it kind of puts into perspective how much strength commoners of the past had.

[@Wisper200]

This is so creative!!

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thank you very much! :)

[@thirdeye8285]

Im glad i found this channel.

[@MarkLewis...]

Jeremy Crawford is NOT the rules lawyer of DnD... he's the guide lines lawyer. There's only one rule in DnD and that's: "Make the game fun and your own for all playing!" Everything else in the PHB, DMG, MM. and 87 other books... are all guide lines!

[@Ghostdesuu]

This perfectly demonstrates how requiring a running start for a full high jump makes literally no sense

[@000Mazno000]

I could see it making sense, say, in the context of scaling a wall, where you use your feet to direct your momentum more upward and try to grip onto a ledge. For a pure contactless jump it doesn't matter at all

[@stone5against1]

Got your videos suggested because apparently I watch D&D stuff regularly enough despite not playing it (sue me) So... yeah agility and strength videos were great .. just.. can't wait to see the kind of tests you'll pull up for Wisdom and Intelligence hahaha and fucking Charisma!!

[@TvorCrl]

I really want to see you test out encumbrance rules. :)

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Looks like we're going to! We've already filmed a video for CON, and I was really looking forward to trying to walk for 8 hours (well not REALLY looking forward), but we'll definitely do encumbrance too since we beat the goal!

[@michaelquinn4704]

I’m really looking forward to the charisma tests

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Yeah we still have to figure out how the heck that will work :P

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

@@BobWorldBuilder Either speed dating and the amount of numbers you get or unprepared stand up night and who gets the most laughs.

[@calebv.6610]

as usual, another W from BOB

[@BobWorldBuilder]

Thank you, 8Bit!!