D&D Story: Why Won't My Character Just DIE Already?!

I tell the story of my suicidal D&D character and how he just wouldn't die, not matter how hard I tried to kill him. Thanks for watching the video everyone!
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[@CyrusdVulture]

Really not cool for a DM to outright tell someone they can't switch. IF the party doesn't have a healer, make healing potions more common. The first rule of D&D is "have fun", after all.

[@defectivesickle5643]

Oh God, that profile pic.

[@space3817]

cool comment, but i must disagree with you for the soul purpose of the profile pic

[@codycoy2943]

It’s pretty shady, though I did have to say no to someone since they had literally just switched characters the previous week.

[@matejbosela9093]

@@codycoy2943 well, PF said in the vid that the character was being played for 1 year.... i cant play the same character for 2 weeks, personally (thats why im playing ARPGs and not much of cRPGs, Tyranny being exception).

[@ulyssesthedm]

Yep

[@92Roar]

You know, resurrection spells kinda have a clause in them that requires the consent of the dead person

[@lucasverawow]

yes but rules can be changed if a gm sees fit. the gm was just trash.

[@Hazearil]

He said that the dead character was fighting to live again, so the DM already decided how the character should act instead of letting a player act out their own character.

[@toomanyfandoms1684]

yay but a god might be able to force a resurrection. I have an undying warlock whos entire premis is that her god like patron bout them back ageenest there will.

[@liamdalemon1525]

if a *suicidal* person has a too strong will to die then HOW DOES ANYONE EVEN DIE IN THIS WORLD?

[@mirtos39]

@@lucasverawow true, but they become an NPC. even a trash DM cant force a player to play a character.

[@spamkaze]

No character can ever be resurrected against their will. That said, it's pretty messed up that your friends thought they had the right to tell you what to play, regardless of how long you'd had the character.

[@miasmi4422]

Oddly enough most resurrection spells like True Resurrection or even Clone require "The soul to be able and willing".

[@ndaemon1718]

@@miasmi4422 sure, but if the gods themselves reach in and forces you back to life.. like here.. youre kinda fucked :)

[@Sage2000]

Yea, but that was the player’s will, not the characters.

[@leathery420]

Lol it'd be kind of funny (also pretty messed up)to have your party try to resurrect you after a big fight,. but It doesn't work. you explain through a note or spirit that campaigning with the party had made your character very depressed and so his heroic actions were really just to mask his suicidal actions. Bonus points if you can subtly role play red flags they will only put together after the fact. it'd be the ultimate mental health awareness character.

[@CoverofWinter]

@@ndaemon1718 You would be surprised, gods have to play by the rules or they stop being gods as well. Only a major dark god with pacts and such could force you back if you were not willing to revive

[@Masqueradia]

“It’s not my game...” I would slap you... if you’re playing, it’s your game too. If you’re doing a game and you’re not having fun... what’s the point of PLAYING?!

[@ghoulofmetal]

Yeah it isnt their game it is the entire groups game, and you should not sacrifice your own enjoyment for theirs.

[@christianlecroy980]

Amen brother.👌

[@Okami_HD]

If it’s not fun, why bother -A guy who’s body was ready

[@nikki607]

Amen

[@lucashall8761]

My exact thoughts.

[@nkandas]

You've had some bad dms. I'm shocked, I would never trap a player in a character, that's how you lose players.

[@deathlegionair]

Nikoli Sadnak Had a DM let me switch out of my Monk, wasn’t having fun with him cause he went down literally every fight apart from the first one. It was just crap.

[@troym5880]

I do think there are times when it's ok to tell a player they can't make a new character at the moment. Right before the finale of a long running campaign, or if the player had changed so frequently it was actually detracting from the story for everyone else for instance.

[@deathlegionair]

Yeah.. though in the case of the second one, I have literally gone through 5 characters in my last campaign, with the shortest amount of time between the start of two characters being literally two sessions. In one campaign, lost a character in the same session he was brought in, so I had to make a new character for the session right after.. it's gotten to the point where my characters dying has allowed for my GM to make my latest character the reincarnation of the god of reincarnation.

[@MutedSong]

early game monks are notoriously bad at staying alive.

[@deathlegionair]

I also got nat twentied by a trebuchet during a siege.. luckily we still had a healer at that point and I was able to use my monk's catch/redirect ability (Don't remember it's actual name) to take away some damage. I took away just enough to not die outright from the thing.

[@chain-wallet]

your group doesnt need a healer if no one can ever die lol *edit woh 5k likes, this comment cant die

[@fomori2]

The DM also then doesnt need a group to play either. The GM might as well just tell the players what they accomplish since it is a foregone conclusion anyways. That could even still be viable if you use a diceless system and really do let the players roleplay the encounters knowing they are going to succeed.

[@orangesoda4535]

I think you missed the part where this is a roleplay game. Whatever you know or learn outside of the game should not affect your character's decisions. In this case, even if you and your friends know that your characters can't die, the actual characters don't know that.

[@orangesoda4535]

I reiterate. It's a roleplay; the point is not specifically to win, but to immerse yourself in your character and experience their world through their eyes, blur the line between reality and fiction. As much as possible, you shouldn't apply meta-knowledge within the game.

[@koryschneider1266]

Characters aren't blind though and they'll probably start to notice when the danger they get into gets progressively (linearly) less dangerous the more trouble they're in. They should just establish an experiment: Take off their armor, and their weapons, and just dance in front of the monsters. If nothing bad happens, then they know, in-character, that they're not in danger!

[@hugmonger]

This is honestly one of the weakest things I regularly see done in ALL RPGs, a GM who cant kill characters. Players sometimes don't understand, but as a GM it can be very daunting to kill a PC, especially when it happens a lot, or conversely hasn't happened in a while. Its hard, but you have to let it happen. You get struck down in a meaningless combat, it happens. A good alternative to just killing them could be for the DM to be like "Do you want to accept a Negative Trait and be taken out of the scene, or do you want a new character" and if they want to keep the character give them a long term injury they now have to live with. This can make the "Death" seem impactful without them dying, and can eventually incentivise new characters as heavily injured character lose functionality.

[@mothman8351]

I love how puffin put hypno glasses on the dm cause he was making everyone go on a campaign his way

[@inkbean4826]

Good observation!

[@justincrowley8787]

I think it's more of a play on the old anime trope.

[@SpammerRapist]

Player - "I don't want to play this character anymore." GM - "Ok, let's roll you a new one at the earliest opportunity."

[@Dewani90]

heh, if the Gm was actually good and didn't have them on a pokemon game (oh you don't die, you just faint)

[@MaximusChivus]

@@Dewani90 That's not bad necessarily, if everyone is fine with it than it's not a problem. If you write a bunch of hooks and quests related to backstory, that character dies, completely different character sheet is rolled, that's hours and hours of time you just gotta kinda throw away. However, if it's something like the video, where the player wants to change, then yeah it's kind of a shit system

[@233Deadman]

@@MaximusChivus Agreed. Someone in one of my groups asked the DM if they could change, and the result was, in my opinion at least, worked out like the adults we were. The DM asked if he would be alright carrying on as his character for a maximum of four more sessions, in which he would bring the plot threads related to that character to a close. The player agreed, everyone walked away happy, and the character left our campaign not in a heart rending death, but rather achieved his goal, was reunited with his family, and chose to go back home, and the party basically got a free place to stay if they were ever passing through.

[@nrais76]

THAT is a good DM! Although, you might want to try to find out why. Maybe it has something to do with the way you've been running - favoring other players or not exploring the characters story enough, or that the other players are too dang needy.

[@zeldamaster52]

I'd say the DM was kinda dickish to bring your character back from the dead when he was fully aware that you wanted a new character.

[@dsargus3]

i think he just suggested once changing characters and then acted like it was okay for him. or something. so the gm might not knew exactly how he disliked playing as this character.

[@flannelpillowcase6475]

DSA rgus I doubt that was the case. He explained how his character became reckless and practically suicidal, only someone completely blind wouldn't notice a change like that. Plus I've been in a situation like this before, with a DM who adamantly refused to kill off characters on player request and outright disallowed suicide. I'd bet money that the DM knew but was just an asswipe about it.

[@frankharzer6224]

In all fairness, that was how he saw it. If he overplayed it well enough, he maybe did it to well and the others did indeed never notice and thought that he wanted to be saved. After all we only know his side of the story and not GMs side or that of the other players.

[@veziusthethird]

if they did want to bring him back, reincarnate him. 1. Lets him switch characters. 2. technically is still alive (maybe if you consider reincarnation as reviving.)

[@Sarah12471]

@@frankharzer6224 Well, what makes me more inclined to believe puffin is that the dark lord calaran was doing the ritual underneath the guy the fought who just happened to look like him. That definitely hints at him being a jerk

[@litiumist]

Should have attacked the goddess, either you kill a god, which should have some epic loot, or you offend her and she refuses to revive you.

[@dogied6709]

What this man said.

[@alexl6621]

or you get some magic blood in your mouth, and you're now immortal :)

[@Ray-hk1zm]

That's actually genius! But Alex L isn't wrong...

[@ToastyTstdToast]

Insert "you have offended the goddess of life, and she hence forth curses you with undeath"

[@cruzwindu777deffsff4]

@@alexl6621 ''and you're now immortal'' Careful there, If you can't die, that means shenanigans, shenanigans everywhere.

[@Minumer]

I like how this is one of the few times Puffin thinks he handled the situation poorly and it is also one of the few time when the people around him were objectively the assholes lmfao

[@Jessie_Helms]

Ikr. He can be a bit of a knob, but he was badly burned by his DM in this instance

[@John_Smith.]

Both can be true. Just because the others were being pricks doesn't mean that Ben's solution was great either.

[@aprettycoolguardsman572]

@@John_Smith. I mean he tried to talk to his dm about it, and iirc it was a character he played for about a year. Also, he still was a team player while trying to die

[@John_Smith.]

@@aprettycoolguardsman572 Sure, but the impression I got was that he didn't try to talk to the DM about it all that well. Like, it sounded like he basically went "hey, I want to not play this character any more" and they went "no" and then he jumped straight to the character committing suicide. I think he probably could have sat down and talked it through more, and impressed on the group how much he really didn't want to play the character.

[@evmarekaj]

@@John_Smith. not he said the gm didn't let him kill off his character, which means that he did talk to the gm he just didn't want to be nice, honestly after they revived me I would've left if you're being forced to have fun than it's not fun

[@Drazex]

Personally, I disagree with your conclusion. If you weren't having fun, then it's only fair that the GM let you switch characters. I often switch characters in games, myself, and when I noticed that one of my players' characters in a campaign I'm running was kind of drifting, I encouraged him to switch characters to make sure he was having fun. (And he was the healer, too, lol) A good GM should always have trap doors ready to bring in new party members, and shouldn't force you to have less fun for some kind of pointless adventuring conservatism.

[@liamdalemon1525]

I think he meant that instead of trying to die he should have just enjoyed the game and have a much better time

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

No, the DM shouldn't let you change characters. A character is somewhat of a commitment. You don't get to change who you are in real life. You can only learn new things. Where the DM went wrong is not letting the character go in peace. Divine intervention for resurrection is not a common occurrence.

[@Drazex]

@@CurlyFromTheSwirly It's a game, not real life. The whole point of it being a game is that you can do things that you can't do in real life. The whole point of a game is to enjoy that game, so if you're not enjoying a character, there's no reason not to switch it out. There is no reason in the rules or out of them that a character is or should be a commitment.

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

@Drazex , There was a video game called The 7th Saga. You could pick 1 of 7 characters for the adventure when you started. If you didn't like that character, start again as another. But when you do, progress is lost the whole game begins again. There are also games (like Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior) where you can change your classes, and the game continues normally. People do start D&D campaigns over, but it's done as a group. I agree the point is to have fun. However, changing characters is just bizarre. I don't think everyone is going to like everything class. I can't play Sorcerer how the book writes them. I don't think Cleric is a boring class. I think it's something the DM and an experienced player should helped with before thinking he couldn't play as the character. Ultimately, as a DM I wouldn't have used divine resurrection in this case. I also wouldn't just totally have the original PC just be traded in. There's a fine line that has to be walked. You can't just have players complaining about every little thing, but also the game shouldn't make them miserable.

[@Drazex]

@@CurlyFromTheSwirly There's nothing "bizarre" about changing characters. Friend groups and especially working groups change all the time IRL. People move, people get new jobs, people retire. So why shouldn't an adventurer get a new position, join a new guild, or even just retire? Why should a random group of adventurers be stuck "till death do them part"? _That_ is a bizarre notion. As both a player and a GM, I've had lots of characters switch out without death. My paladin decided to retire to a desk job and lead his guild's administrative side. One of my players' sorcerers found a surviving enclave of her people, and decided to retire to help them thrive. These things happen. Thinking that only death is a reasonable reason to change a party dynamic is frankly just an incredible lack of imagination.

[@jacob3988]

What's the point of a game you can't lose? What's the point of a healer in such a game?

[@justiciar1964]

Probably a noob that wants to just tell a story he thinks is all awesomesauce and epic, and spoonfed it for the sake of telling it because in his mind it's on par with Tolkien when it's really closer to the current quality of Elder Scrolls.

[@aaronyayger]

The Bukkakian From The Planet Dillhole What exactly is bad about Elder Scrolls. It's got much richer lore than LOTR lol.

[@justiciar1964]

Had. Then Bethesda ditched the story guy from Morrowind and Daggerfall, and Todd Howard got some guy that writes really generic stuff, gets past events in the timeline wrong, and admits Skyrim was really just written on the concept of "dragons." Its quality of storytelling has dipped from Morrowind's "The Emperor had a dream and thinks you might be the chosen one. You're getting a full pardon and we're dropping you in Vvardenfell. Secretly attempt to fulfill this prophecy of reincarnation of an ancient general, under the guidance of secret royal agents masquerading as crack heads, and do so under the noses of a kingdom that's sick and tired of chosen one wannabes and slays em on sight now, led by the god-king that shoved a pike up Nerevar's ass in the first place. Furthermore, convince every major faction, full of racists, that you're awesome. Oh and you're immune to a special cancer that turns people into shoggoths. Thank the most awesome mad scientist evar...or maybe a daedric prince...who knows? You seriously might just be a pawn." ... to Skyrim's "You are the chosen one! You inexplicably have the voice, a power that can shake mountains and expel gouts of elemental fury! The Dragonborn has come to save us all and slay the evil dragons! You're awesome! Everyone likes you! Go slay some dragons and zombies!"

[@aaronyayger]

The Bukkakian From The Planet Dillhole I never said the games' individual storytelling was better. I said the lore was richer, which it is.

[@justiciar1964]

If they would keep better continuity to it, actually utilize more of it, and hold it as the standard for future lore...

[@surreysmith]

I think you're wrong. If you're not having fun with a character, then the DM should try and work with you to find a way to work you out of the story in a fitting way and your new character into it too. There needs to be a slight level of suspension of disbelief from the other players but generally that's fine among sensible adults. Forcing a player to play a character they don't want to is just bad DMing. The whole no real chance of death is a whole different kettle of fish that I'm not gonna get into.

[@MithrilRoshi]

I agree with ya. If its no fun then dont force a player to do so. I have left groups outright for not letting me join in the fun.

[@RonOnTheWay]

So your friends are forcing you to play a character you hate? For a year?

[@joshua1657]

Was going to comment just this. Its not just their game, but he is included. Even if the culture was not to kill off characters, he could have found a way to say, "Okay, this character is leaving the group to get on with his life" and roll up a new character. This even gives you the option to use the former character as an NPC. A little fault on both parties here, but we grow and learn with things like this.

[@Rathdrgnknight]

Another idea to bring up to a DM: if you don't want to play a certain character anymore or that type of character, make an event where the character can choose to change their class. We had a barbarian who was not having fun playing that type of character and he had an in character choice moment from a long-dead super powered being to change everything and become a monk instead. It was incorporated into the dungeon and the player didn't even know, he was given the choice by the DM and took it after having talked with the DM asking if there was a way to do something different. Yes, it's kind of a Deus ex Machina but it make for an excellent character/rp moment and it was much more fun for everyone to play when he was able to play a character he was actually having fun with.

[@fyrexia]

Well from what he said, the whole group said they didn't want him to change.

[@WillBurns]

Actually, I'd have to disagree. Your GM at the time was "God Modding", which was to say overriding the free will of the players to such an extent that the characters no longer had any say in their decisions or story. The GM was overriding free will for the sake of *his* story and forcing players to play a story out how he wanted. The entire point of games like Dungeons & Dragons is that the organic nature and unpredictability of the group make the adventure interesting. If this manages to constantly break a story, it's less about the players and more about the GM's inability to roll with the various choices that the players make. I've been in games where instead of fighting a massive giant, I've outsmarted them through reasoning. Instead of distracting guards to obtain a key to a gate on the other side, convinced another party member to turn into a giant pink polka dotted woolly mammoth and charge the gate, knocking out the orc guards and the gate in the stampede... and then taking the key as a souvenir. The point is... as a GM, we have a story to tell, but it is the players who determine how it unfolds. It doesn't always go the way we want, and that's just fine. We should be organic in our storytelling ability... learn to adjust, or figure out what sort of consequences there are for doing things out of order or not at all. We, as storytellers... we create the world, and we decide how the world acts and reacts, how it changes in response to our players interacting within it. And when our players do something totally unexpected... find a loophole... whatever... we should be quick enough to roll with it and adjust the narrative. If they have to follow a strict linear narrative or set of events to a precise degree or your campaign breaks... you need to rethink your campaign. If characters have become boring to the player and they want to kill them off... don't make it easy... but don't God Mod the game to undo the free will of the player. Let them die, make a new character... and then, as a GM... adjust your campaign to highlight how the old character would really have come in handy right about now... but now you need to figure things out differently as a result :)

[@courvasteur]

I think what affirms this whole point made in this comment is something that is lightly touched on in the video - the dark lord summoning ritual. Reading between the lines, the party beat the actual Dark Lord so quickly and before he could do any of the cool 'scripted events', the GM panicked and quickly went "everything was a fake, do it again, but properly this time". It feels like the GM wants to tell the players about this awesome story they wrote and the players are expected to play to that script. Doesn't sound like a tabletop RPG to me, sounds like a stage play.

[@Ray-hk1zm]

Really good points, but tell me more about this pink woolly mammoth...

[@WinterxSummerXFall]

This, yes.

[@VME-Brad]

About 90% this, except that thinking that as a GM/DM you "have a story to tell" is actually the problem. In that role your job is to run the world. NPCs have motivations, and unless interfered with will perform certain actions, but your job as GM/DM (other than deciding what the NPCs are after in advance, their personalities, etc.) is to simply react to what the Players do. If the players decide they don't want to fight the Wizard trying to summon greater evils into the realm, that will have consequences, but if they simply manage to outsmart him? fair enough. I was once running a one shot game at a convention and somehow the PCs managed to get the Hunter into the same room with the Werewolf just before it transformed. Instead of a climatic fight, it was over in one round. And that game still gets talked about today, because the Characters got to win by being smart and doing something I hadn't planned on.

[@umbra4729]

I disagree. It isn’t the GM’s story, it’s the players’. The GM is merely the storyteller. If a player isn’t having as much fun playing a character anymore they should be able to switch. Death is an important part of any fantasy story, and will impact things in a good way. A good example I can think of is Mollymauk’s death in Critical Role.

[@LordDragon1965]

One time we had a player who rolled stats and got 3 9s, 2 6s and a 3 (we were rolling 4d6 drop low at that time arranged at player's choice). He put the 3 into Int and made a grunt fighter. He played this character recklessly naming him, "Hit the door Harald." Well, as badly as he rolled stats, he rolled hits brilliantly. Harald quickly advanced in level faster than the rest of the party (due to experience point bonuses for solo monster kills) and when he got to 11th level the player was tired of the joke. The DM made him an NPC Lord and the patron or the adventure seed for several future generations of characters. Moral: even if you don't like your character others may have uses for him.

[@smhassassin9285]

One of the players in the game I'm currently in was a warlock that ooc we all knew was banging the main baddy, but ic we were clueless. Dude didn't like how the character was working out, so the DM wrote in a fight to give dude a chance to betray us and he ran off to fight for his girlfriend. The player got a new character, and the DM got a new npc villian. It worked out nicely.

[@georgenelson172]

That sounds painful to play.

[@pokegard]

Fair, but you must still be allowed to switch tho

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

​@@pokegard It depends how...and where. I just think just deciding a character is bad isn't really right. If it's someone's 1st campaign, maybe. I would try talking to them and asking what's wrong 1st. Maybe they need advice on having fun...especially as clerics who get stuck healing. But if your character gets killed... that's not my responsibility and I would insert a new character instead of using diety resurrection means.,That's your choice. Let's roll! lol

[@pokegard]

@@CurlyFromTheSwirly fair, I was thinking more that you shouldn’t force someone to play a character they hate type of stuff because what is the point of dnd if you aren’t allowed to have fun And when it comes to character death then if my dude dies then I just make another one

[@rustyshovel7179]

Don't the resurrection spells require that the person be willing to come back?

[@hugofontes5708]

no spells, just a Deus Ex Get Back On Your Feet

[@Zthewise]

Revivify, no, but there is a 10 minute window on it Resurrection and true yes, the raised creature must be willing there is dm intervention though so results may varry

[@Rathkryn]

Revivify has to be used within one minute of the death. Apparently it takes at least ten rounds for a character's soul to leave its body.

[@MSOGameShow]

Some DMs, like mine, require things like a someone being willing in order to be resurrected. It'd definitely adds some suspense when attempting to revive someone.

[@edschramm6757]

i rule has to be willing and at liberty(IE if a warlock dies while bound by an agreement with a demon, they may have to stay down, or their soul got trapped in a soul gem a la Skyrim)

[@ROBOTPETER101]

"We need a healer" And yet you actually tried to die and couldn't. What? *What?!*

[@HantaleMedia]

Old reply, I know, but it's a sortof staple of the times. As he hinted, there were a lot of cultural norms in the RPG world at the time, one of which was "Don't kill player characters" (normally with the caveat of 'without their permission'). This was because of a shift from crunchy mechanical game sessions with gritty combat playing average-joes to looser story-based games where the characters start off being above average. Ironically, I guess, party composition is another one of those old cultural niches. Though it comes from the aforementioned oldschool style of RPG with a big emphasis on tactics and gritty combat. You had your hard-to-kill guy who mostly hit things with swords and shields, your bow-guy, your magic-guy, and your healer/support guy. (average party of 4 people) It also meant that no characters were filling another character's role. People, to this day, still rigidly believe in the typical party composition formula. Even if the reason for doing it doesn't really exist anymore.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I actually like to have unusual parties. Of course every need has to be adressed in some way, but not necessarily through class stereotypes. (As in "The Warrior", "The Archer", "The Wizard" and "The Healer". Sometimes accompanied by "The Sneaky One") I even came up with an ider for a player who couldn't join each session. It would be an "evil" character (some kind of demon lord) that helps the mostly "good" party because of the bigger threat (another demon who wants to take over the world) But sometimes spontaneously has to go back (to the demon world) and do stuff there. Bound by a magical artifact his dis- and reapperance leads to all kind of interesting situations and because of being in the world of the living such a theoretical strong character would still be balanced.

[@airiakizuki5592]

Should have tried to get obliterated instead. Death isn't the only way.

[@pintschannel]

ROBOTPETER101 i

[@Feja2503]

Right now me and my friends are playing a party without someone that can tank xD. While the dm is a sadist, though somehow we always make it. We always just scrape by though. But we are usually outnumbered by characters that can kill us without much issue. We just use summons as sacrificial pawns xD. We lived, but the pet and summons died. No one of us can tank and 2/3 are squishy. We only have 3 people and fought 6 enemies, while a few attacks could kill me. Though i seem to have a weird ability, half of the damage is nulled and dealt to me a few days later. Really handy, but it could bite me in the ass if it returns at the wrong time.

[@WitchVulgar]

When you're playing, that's _your_ time to have fun. If you aren't having fun with the character you're playing, switch. You have as much a right to enjoyment as anyone else at that table

[@lordminifridge8606]

I remem playing a horror campaign where we were told we were going to die often, so me assuming that was the case decided this would be a great opportunity to try out classes that i might not enjoy playing for too long, maybe find a new favored class while i was at it. Needless to say, that didn't happen. Nobody ever died. Ever. So i spoke with my GM and he said i could totally kill of my borning fighter character and put together a new one. I made a new one, got GM approval, etc. Just needed to wait to die and switch. Fast forward about 4 months of 2-3 sessions monthly. Finally he's dead! Turns out next session was the last one planned, spent the entire session mostly unconscious. Almost soured me from game entirely.

[@fishecod2552]

if you want to see a campaign where characters die often, watch mcdm's "the chain". i think a character dies in the first episode.

[@TheDandyCarrot]

Would make a good premise for a manga "the max level healer just wants to die" the story of a suicidal healer who's unable to die and his quest to find an enemy strong enough to defeat him inadvertently saving the world multiple times

[@mewtwo27mew]

I would read that

[@hyperion9934]

TheDandyCarrot a good name for the manga would be DeathWish.

[@apathypower9559]

TheDandyCarrot Sounds like One Punch Man with more edgyness.

[@bigbrojz66]

TheDandyCarrot sounds like miracle builds in dark souls

[@quetch2]

You just described gotrek from the Gotrek & Felix series. He eventually kills a god and becomes immortal or something like that.

[@TheSqoad]

Nope, bad DM, bad group. You should be allowed to make a new character.

[@hugofontes5708]

TheSqoad or get a new group

[@heviarey]

It's not a "bad" group as long as they are having fun. So what if they don't like their characters to die? Not all players enjoy playing the same way. In any case the player should have talked with the DM to find a solution that would make all parties happy.

[@TheSqoad]

The rest of the group was having fun, because they had a dedicated Heal Bitch. But their healer wasn't having fun any more. That is a big problem. He tried to talk to his group and his DM, but they are flatly forbid him from rolling a new character. They would not accept him playing any other way than the way they wanted him to. And when his character finally dies - which is what he wanted - the DM pulls a bullshit Deus Ex Machina and has his god literally bring him back to life as a "reward" for his loyal service, and the DM completely hijacks his character and tells him he really wanted to come back to life to be a Heal Bitch once more and that is why he didn't die when he should have. You clearly didn't watch the video.

[@heviarey]

I did watch it, what I said was the they would have probably being able to find another solution would they be more open about it. "Hey man, I'm really tired of this character. Not enjoying it at all, if you don't let me change I might probably drop the group all together since i'm not having fun and that defeats the purpose of the game..."

[@TheSqoad]

This isn't about the fact that they MAY have been open about him switching character if he asked them. This is about the fact that they WEREN'T open about him switching characters when he asked them. His whole group were flatly refusing to let him switch.

[@Kirahie]

It is not your place to sabotage it. It is NOT THE GM'S PLACE to force you to play a character you are bored of.

[@liamdalemon1525]

if a suicidal person has a strong enough will to keep on living then how can anyone ever die?

[@VME-Brad]

The players job IS to sabotage the DM though. that's the whole point!

[@meme0taker87]

@@VME-Brad yes, why else would anyone even CONSIDER being a mystic. that is the only justifiable way to be a mystic though i will still judge it

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

​@@VME-Brad Except that the PCs & DM are not supposed to be opposed to each other. The DM is supposed to be a referee & story tell. If the DM would let you die or tries to kill the party, what's the point? There has to be fairness. There also has to be risk. Now I've used divine resurrection, but not against their will.

[@BIGESTblade]

Man, it sucks to play with that DM. I maybe a shitty DM, I forget to use NPCs' abilities all the time, I suck in narrating and I really-really hate when my players play certain character types, but I still don't do THAT!

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

Why didn't you ask the DM to turn your character into an NPC? Sounds reasonable. The DM gets to control that character all he wants, giving the party a "free hireling" for some quests he deems needed and giving himself a quest giver for the party if need be, plus you get to make a new character, ta daaaaaa...

[@asulfusbiber]

True. Another solution: give the Player a second Charakter.

[@davidgantenbein9362]

Gonçalo Carneiro The „how to solve the issue“ is usually not the problem. The other players don‘t want the change at all as it works super fine for them like it is. They either don‘t see the one players problem, don‘t care or totally disagree on play style. I don‘t know what the problem is in this group, but it must be severe if they flat out forbid a character change. The only way out is to address the true problem and make a decision based on that discussion. The result is probably to either live with the unfunny and demotivating parts or leave the group, as it is very unlikely that the group will change for him.

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

They could also just be straight up oblivious and could accept the change if requested directly.

[@chrisrudolf9839]

There is a lot to be said against DMPCs (i.e. NPCs that follow the PC group all the time and essentially act like one of the PCs), especially if they are equally or more powerful than the rest of the group and/or have priorly been established to be the ones that call the decisions and take initiative. If you absolutely need to have one (e.g. because no one wants to play a healer), it should be an DMPC from the start and should either be a lower level hireling or someone who is very quite and doesn't speak up easily, so the DM can avoid having that NPC call the shots and essentially play against himself. However, there must be some solution if a player is absolutely unhappy with his character. Forrest doesn't tell us what his issue with his character was and why the DM insisted on having him. If it was just the issue of needing a healer, it could have been easily solved by either let him play a character that can heal as well (assuming that the player wasn't intent on not playing a healer at all. In DnD, we have 3 character classes that can heal and even among the cleric class you can play them very different depending on which religion the cleric belongs to and if he is more the fanatic, the pragmatic or even the a little bit dodgy "Brother Tuck" type.) If he doesn't want a healer at all, a third option could have been to let him have a new character and introduce a new DMPC, maybe a less experienced sidekick of his new character, who is a healer.

[@ThatBritishMexican]

They didn't save your life, they ruined your death. Kinda happened to me in a campaign where we were pretty much railroaded into fighting a lvl 20 multiclassed monk general blbalba long story, in the end my character was the last one conscious and landed the last hit with poison arrows, enemy managed to use his entire combo on me so it was insta-kill but died at the end of his turn. It was an epic confrontation in both characters falling in front of one another.... and then the alchemist of the group used some Fullmetal Alchemist door magic bullshit and resurrected my character by giving up an eye and a kidney or something. A little anticlimatic....

[@Galomortalbr]

i really hate ressurection in games , kind remove the fun

[@Jason_Ultimate]

DatBritishMexican Not really. That kind of thing happens all the time in anime and comics. The hero fights off his ultimate opponent, neither one backing down until their last breath. At the end, both hero and villain collapse, unable to go on, drawing their last breath. Then, during his final moments, the hero’s allies come to help save him from certain death, thus allowing the brave hero to fight another day! It’s good dramatic story telling without having to kill off a key character, not really a complete anticlimax. An anticlimax would be just one shotting the main villain with no build or much of a fight.

[@iliketurtles2531]

+Jason Ultimate It's a bad cliche. It's good if they could land it well, but usually it's just bad.

[@Jason_Ultimate]

Star The Mighty One! The thing is, that’s kind of subjective. If one player doesn’t like the outcome, but all the others do, then who’s to say what’s good for the story. If majority rules, then the outcome was for the best. If the outcome needs to be unanimous, then at least 7/10 times the outcome won’t be liked. Even so, if you don’t want them to heal you, just tell them not to. If they won’t listen, then you have a problem, because now you have a teammate who won’t listen to you.

[@Jason_Ultimate]

I like turtles Usually, it depends on the situation and how long they’ve been playing. If they’ve been playing for a long time, and the wounded character in question was basically on death’s door, then they’d have to role excellently to be able to save them. However, usually if the game is relatively new and the DM/GM doesn’t stick strictly to the rules, then usually it’s pretty easy to revive them.

[@brocknokli7145]

Should've returned as a villain. A hero who loved the peace of death so much he can't keep others from it's sweet embrace.

[@MakeVarahHappen]

Puffin: I didn't handle this well and I shouldn't have forced them to let me die. Everyone in the comment section: Oh my God this is an awful party to not let you switch characters.

[@juanpauloarcillas7600]

Yeah, They only want one aspect of Ben's character (healing) and probably nothing else. It's frustrating that he has to suck it up until the end just because there's no possible way to switch characters other than killing it.

[@CurlyFromTheSwirly]

​@@juanpauloarcillas7600 or maybe it's his fault cause he doesn't know how to play a fun cleric, cause he thinks all clerics do is heal. Sacred Flame, Detect Magic, Hold Person, Dispel Magic, Magic Circle, Speak With Dead, Tongues, Control Water, Flame Strike, Locate Creature, Insect Plague, True Seeing, Anti-Magic Field, Planar Shift

[@the_last_ballad]

​@@CurlyFromTheSwirly go back and watch 0:10 again, its kinda explicit that they didnt just want a cleric, but rather a healer.

[@Sarah12471]

​@@CurlyFromTheSwirly i believe it is important to note something This was in 4th edition

[@MouseGoat]

think its bullshit if they won't let you die... a game is supposed to be fun for all players

[@McCbobbish]

Nekogami-Crystal I kind of like the idea of having it so a PC can't just die without the player agreeing to it, but making the game very harsh in return.

[@MouseGoat]

well, everyone there own rules ^^ my first comment may be a bit harsh. but divine intervention is how to solve any conflict in D&D, oh shit you character got a heart stroke. shit, no one saw that coming. or it could be a start of a new epic quest, really as I see it, a good GM is one that can improvise to suit the needs of the players. (as long as the players are more of less reasonable) I like D&D for the stories and think that at its core its like what you would do around a campfire, just add in som more logic and rules to make things easier to predict and prepare. as i play it, i don't think you ow anyone anything, you giving eveyone else your character role idea, and they have to deal with it. cose see, once you we enter the "you have to play like this, and do tings like this, because that what we want" it no longer really is you choice in the story anymore, now it's like you all running down some script, wheres the fun in that? wheres the free will? but that is of course just one way to see it (that i hold), in the film world running scripts is the ting one dose. and actors agree on that. and players can be dicks and ruin a game,.. tho again... not really, i mean if everyone else stays in character, it doesn't matter much what player X dose, the ingame chariktror will jus call him mad, kill or leave him or gm could decide the gods got angry and killed him, followed by him being thrown out the group.

[@luckygozer]

Nekogami The counter argument to this is that sometimes compromises have to be made for the group as a whole to have more fun. In an moba or mmo if no one plays a support your fucked. In which case it is better to occasionally suck it up and take turns playing support. This example mainly works for mobas but the idea is there.

[@luckygozer]

Sonnypally The first part ofcourse is always do whatever your group enjoys. But if characters die too easily then there is no real sense of attachment. There are other ways to inflict permanent consequences without directly killing the character. Perhaps your character loses an eye or an arm and now your on a whole side quests to get a mechanical arm but then later this becomes a real problem in the magneto fight...and now the treehuggers don't like you but the robots do. When a character dies everything they did becomes somewhat irrelevant.

[@Zvorda]

Tbh I just think the DM didn't know he wanted to die and felt bad about his friend losing his year old character so he tried to save him in a "lore-friendly" way

[@prussia1635]

I have a dude who hated playing a ranger so much, that his character just shot himself in the face with a crossbow mid-fight

[@vexbanearamori7224]

LMMFAO just " FUCKIT"

[@flynn659]

DM: alright, your friends are in peril! what do you do? Player: *points crossbow to his own head* Please tell me how it actually planned out cause this is hilarious!

[@malyssaryan1987]

Too bad the damage on a crossbow is probably too low to kill him.

[@Lorkanthal]

I'd imagine you would be able to coup de gras yourself so the damage wouldn't matter.

[@blooddancer1]

dat PA reference lol

[@RMOB]

Once, one of my friends wanted to change character in the middle of the adventure. I asked how I will change your PC in the middle of the dungeon? - I jump to the lava. So, the druid jumped off to the lava pool and another hero was rescued from one of the cells. (Yes, I wasn't a good DM).

[@nekoqueen5524]

Better than this one at least

[@treemover7259]

thats actually a pretty good way to deal with this problem

[@Sarah12471]

Not bad... Though i feel like tripping is more believable but yeah decent reason

[@ThibautVDP]

so you didn't die because... your character didn't want to die hard enough? who is this DM?

[@pokegard]

The all mighty: doesn’t know how the game works : who has scared people for eons

[@tactechchannel7960]

Me: Yo I don’t want to play this character anymore can I change? DM: No Me: Well then, I, a level 9 warlock, put my fingers to my head in a gun shape and use finger of death on my self DM: No Me: I’m leaving DM: Then how are we supposed to complete the campaign Me: I don’t know nor do I care

[@kevinsullivan3448]

I walked out on a game for similar reasons. Told the GM he was an idiot and never spoke to him again. Danced a jig when I heard he died. Railroaders should be beaten to death with koosh balls.

[@tommylee6689]

Kevin Sullivan WTF you were happy that he died just because he was a bad dm?

[@dogied6709]

Exactly, are you insane?

[@fyrefrost1898]

Sir Grim Locksmith VIII I would certainly hope so but it really didn't sound like that

[@Dan-qy6zv]

When you're players aren't happy, the game is not fun.

[@zenoooooo]

Man, that DM sucks.

[@spinnis]

R I G H T ? !

[@silverknight2101]

Wait... Zenomite?

[@lucaseuden4581]

Yeah I hate when DMs are like that

[@lucaseuden4581]

If a player isn't having fun as a character the you should let them change

[@nightstryke]

The DM does indeed suck in this case, but I've played games where the DM has let you Kamikaze your enemy and then it's straight back to character creation and you have to start over from scratch. Not always as fun as you'd think.

[@davidpeterson3147]

I think our DMs record was killing 10 PC's in one session, my elf rouge was the only survivor of the session start to finish, he tended to adopt a captian Jack sparrow aproach to combat and alchohol, "we must fight to run away"

[@gavinlopez6258]

Someone in my group wanted a new character, and kept jumping into Black Pudding. Then they kept succeeding their death saves

[@eliaslovell7756]

General Kenobi 😂

[@blueberreez]

It's not your game. It's not their game either. It's *everyone's* game. Which means it's the DM's job to be reasonable and try to make sure everyone is having fun. You can't just ignore that one of the players isn't having fun and force them to keep playing that lame character week after week.

[@perpetualcowlick5678]

Hell, as a DM I see it as less mine and more the players, as they're the majority in the scenario. If anyone isn't having fun I'm working to solve that. That's part of the job, working that bit out as well as the usual rules and settings guy.

[@gizmona1178]

Unless you're stupid enough to play a healer because then you're locked into that class until you finish the campaign...

[@lexsmithee652]

@@gizmona1178 well, the DM could at least give him the option of making a new character that could heal, such as a Bard or Ranger in 5e. If you really can't run a campaign without a healer, you should at least allow that healer to be a bit more flexible. A player can always roleplay a character wanting to leave the group. I played a cleric that decided to leave the party after he realized he could live a more peaceful life off the profits of his brewery. I've seen a druid deciding to leave the party to become the protector of a local forest. A warlock that is gradually more and more frightened by her growing power that decides to become a librarian, sealing her powers deep within herself. A good player and a good DM can ALWAYS work out a solution. I've had players wanting to change characters. Usually I explain that they'll probably have to play that character for 2-3 sessions before I can add the new character, and start working on the new characters entrance. DM's should always look to maximize fun. That's our job.

[@teufelhond1151]

In the games I used to play with my friends, if there was a role that wasn't filled by a PC, the GM would give us an NPC to fill that role. Often writing them up to be someone that one of us knows, a family friend, guardian, or something similar. One game our NPC was a fighter who was the cleric PC's bodyguard, assigned to her by the church (she was fairly young, and they didn't want her to be wandering around without some sort of mentor). That fighter was awesome. She was like a big sister to the cleric, and everyone liked her. When she finally died during the campaign, we were devastated. The poor cleric was traumatized for weeks, because she'd died defending her. That said, I think what the GM in Ben's campaign did was pretty crappy, to be honest. You don't just force a reaction on a player. "You heard their pleas and decided to go back." Uh, no. Let the PLAYER decide if they want to go back or not. After all, you're in the afterlife, which in D&D is a place ideally suited to your alignment. Everything is perfect there. Some characters may just not WANT to go back, after experiencing that.

[@steelameba3906]

@@perpetualcowlick5678 As a DM we create the world, the players breath life into it

[@theshribe]

"I pull out my sword and stab the goddess" Everyone else: "YOU WHAT??!!" "Umm... She's, uh... gotta have good exp/loot? Yeah. Loot."

[@danny90099]

Blood from goddess bleeding out and some of that fell to your mouth . Now not only you come back to life but you had been curse to live forever by the power of divine's blood . Also for killing a god your punishment is to buy lunch for your party from now to eternity .

[@dogied6709]

why, Rick.

[@Lichdemonz]

*Puts goddess in bag.*

[@alexandrehenrique7203]

"no, screw you, i quit, i wont even frickin try anymore, let me die for petes sake!

[@thegoodmudkip3652]

Leaving this at 666 likes

[@postalknight69]

3:39-3:54 An example of what not to do as a DM, tell the characters how they feel

[@ErikaWeiss633]

tbh, if they wouldn't let me make a different character (Even if it's the same role, just a different class and/or race), then why bother being in that group? If it isn't fun to play that character anymore, then what's the point in playing?

[@secrecyninja8728]

Fair

[@liamwhite3522]

I am a healer. If death can just be undone, what the hell is the point of my being here? You guys don't need a healer. No one needs a healer! The Goddess can just revive anyone when they die anyways.

[@SuperMohamedadil]

Totally fuckin agree. That's an enormous insult to clerics no to have the PCs dying. So if you have one in the party, like you just don't need him and he knows it so... What the heck ?

[@mirjamheijn5214]

At that point I would roleplay being unsatisfied with life, that death felt so much more peaceful and reserve my healing spells for enemies.

[@noahhornbeak8831]

Just fucking over the party that’s amazing, I hav a plan with an evil wizard who helps the party attack a terrasque than quickly power word heals it as he cackles

[@the_average_canadian]

I have to disagree with you here. D&D is a cooperative storytelling game, and it's not designed for any one participant to be more important or have more fun at the rest of the group's expense. That also applies in reverse, if everybody is having a great time except for one person, it's NOT that one person's job to roll over and accept that it's up to them to sit there in boredom to enable everybody else to have fun. It is the job of the DM to facilitate the fun for each of their players. "It's not my game, it's their game." I couldn't disagree more, the game belongs to everybody equally, including yourself. Everybody should be having a good time and if that isn't the case, everybody needs to work together and find a compromise to fix that.

[@RealTrey19]

Canadaballs always have the best ideas

[@oncewasjosh]

After watching this a few times I just searched up “puffin forest suicidal” and right above your video said “need help? Call this lifeline”

[@dartdevious561]

JUST LET ME DIE!

[@RougenTCG]

This is what happens when you try to P L A Y G O D !!!

[@ranger_1472]

Gothic Cyclops aaaaaaaa

[@Pinup33]

Flex tape

[@babysnatcherjaguar9470]

SERIOUSLY DONT TRY THIS!

[@borntodie297]

Not your place to sabotage it? true. However.............. it is not their place, to force you to play a character you are bored out of your skull off either.

[@gnarlestongnu637]

With anyone not 100% dedicated to the group, you're basically asking them to start skipping sessions, if not just stop playing altogether.

[@dddmemaybe]

both yall preaching the good shit. If I was the Cleric here I would immediately start taking levels in a martial class if all of these events happening to me lol. Either that or just ditch healing spells and cast conjurations/damage spells only and go full yolo. seems like one of those roleplay and yolo games but idk. ( I play 3.5 forgot if cleric spells don't work the same in 5th though).

[@Gondorf5]

It's true. If you aren't having fun because you are sick of being the cleric and the DM makes that kind of effort to keep you healin, that is a failure on the DM's part to accomplish one of their two main goals. It sounds cruel, but that is what it is, and I can say that's a mistake I've made, and it is a bad mistake.

[@ZealotOfSteal]

Even if no one wants to play a healer, it's still fine. You either start using potions, my DM had made a homebrew rule that drinking a healing potion is a bonus action once per engagement. (Normally it's an action in 5th) Another possibility is homebrew items or an NPC companion. We've even had NPC companions controlled by players in some cases.

[@fade2535]

*cough* *cough* they’re only supposed to revive WILLING creatures *cough*

[@DromainLoreRose]

Sounds like a bad DM if they were really unwilling to make any movement. The hole point of DND is to be fun. If the players are not having fun then the DM is doing something vary wrong. It's a DMs job to ve a good DM . That includes trying to make the game play enjoyable for the players. Actually that is one of the upmosy top priorities of a good DM.

[@dartdevious561]

It's fun to rotate characters too.

[@ForestFairy]

I have to rotate as time passes since I get so many good ideas for characters that I want to play.

[@qwerdf12]

sometimes i ask the dm to lend my hero to new players cause im a high lvl cleric of life to play fun one off heroes

[@s_murphy_games]

Dart Devious I

[@redholm]

If you are really bored of your main character. Get Leadership and use the cohort to change up things for you

[@geekychannel2543]

Joshua Durisseau Do you use the same characters for different campaigns? I thought after one was over you had to make another character

[@MysticVRB]

I was with you right up until the end. No, it isn't your fault, and yes you had every right to change your character. Saying the story doesn't make sense as to why the character change happens is BS. That's a bad DM for not letting you get out of a character you were no longer enjoying playing.

[@vexbanearamori7224]

ALSO the DM cant write up another charecter to take his place? a predecessor? a son? when the father gets struck down? thats fucking easy. i just came up with that as im typing it RIGHT now that DM was horrible

[@Tenesfer]

Depending on how the character backstory goes he wouldn't even need to die. Lets say he is part of an order and they now recall him for one reason or another. Maybe there is a plague and they need all the healers they have to help. Or there is a conflict between the order and something else and again: healers needed (no non-members allowed). Also pulled out of my posterior while just watching the vid.

[@blueberreez]

Bad DM! BAD DM! No more cheesy poofs!

[@victorh5513]

I agree. Switching out player characters is not hard. That DM should turn in his screen & dice bag.

[@HantaleMedia]

Even more so, what kind of group sees a player is actively not enjoying their character anymore, to the point of trying to get them killed, and still makes them play it? "Oh.. it'd be too much effort to let you die/go away and bring in a new character.... that'd take like... at least 10 minutes. No you should just suffer for months instead." He's right, it's THEIR game... but it's also HIS game, he's just as much a part of it as anyone else. It just seems selfish and somewhat mean-spirited to force someone into that.

[@xnekomcx6353]

I am laughing hysterically at the end. The DM recounting the epic tale of how he was brought back and so on, while the poor guy is screaming eternally in the background "JUST LET ME DIE!" all while being forced, with what seems like cartoon plot and comedy, he's forced back to the living. Love this lmao

[@lauravturner]

You should have returned your character as an edgelord, totally broken by experiencing the other side of mortality first-hand. Probably either would have added something to your character for being such an over-reactor, or would have annoyed everyone so much from your painful monologues that, for their own sanity, it's best to leave you dead. I would have played it like Twinkle the Marvel-horse, just staring into nothing and recounting horrific nightmares about the futility of life to everyone around me... actually that sounds pretty funny, I am gunna run that character as a parody of the douchy edgelords in every game; you know the one.

[@leonardorossi998]

I mean... as a cleric is not even that hard: just prepare tons of divine power, Righteous Might and offensive spells and just crush everyone that comes near you. Your party doesn't need a healer if there's no one left to harm them.

[@pauldecker4630]

You get bonus points for Dave the barbarian references.

[@mattiOTX]

I once begged my dm to let me die and try someone else. He did then he gave me a condition. He would play diggy diggy hole hole for every session, all session. I still don't regret it, but my party does.

[@a.square8658]

Did you play as a dwarf?

[@mattiOTX]

Griffon Koch yes, yes I did... I regret nothing.

[@UnhealthyTherapy]

Diggy diggy hole hole?

[@mattcurtis982]

Jacob Harold it’s a song by the yogscast

[@auraknight98]

Which version? the most resent one?

[@infernocanuck]

Don't listen to the moral of the story. As a GM, this is why you listen to your players. If they hate playing a character, they aren't having fun. If they aren't having fun, then why do you bother to play at all? So, we get a guy who feels so miserable playing his character, he tries in vain to get him to killed, only to be stuck with him again. I'm sorry, TTRPGs aren't games where one person owns the board so you have to play by their rules. It's group storytelling, and GMs don't have any right to dictate what "fun" is to you.

[@yeraveragelad4012]

infernocanuck yea tell that one person who doesn't give a shit how it should be

[@drakevegas7073]

I would've just had my character become a different person when he came back. No, not like Reincarnate, but role play that the effects of dying and bringing him back left him jaded, then play a sub-optimal healer who doesn't heal, who also has a personality that I enjoy acting out. I think that's a good compromise; one where nobody is fully happy about it.

[@Manectrix2000]

I killed off my character with the help of my GM. I was getting sick of her and I'm glad the GM disintegrated her.

[@amvkid1]

"Uh GM, I don't feel so good.."

[@mjolnirsoul9214]

sorry, disintegrated?

[@wkingston1248]

Besides it being questionable to not let a player change character i can't imagine a dm who doesn't let players die. Whats the point then theres no tension and any goal is easily accomplished given time it stops becoming a game when there is no failure state.

[@Hilipinapixili]

That's for the game group to decide. If they don't like losing characters, then it's the GM's job to find alternative failure states other than death. Not that it's that difficult since there are many anyway. The whole point of GMing is creating a story in which your group feels comfortable and adapting to their particular style. There NEEDS to be some kind of tension going on, but death is only the most obvious way of doing it.

[@dark0blade]

you could tel lthe dm wasnt great at storybuilding or coming up with new shit (his request to redo a character) as when they defeated the so called summoner too quick the dm went EEEH NOOP HES NOT DEAD. he waws fake *haha didnt see that coming right guy's *and then the dm thinks PFFFEW saved my ass there i had nothing prepared after this encounter.

[@darthr0xas363]

Verma Wyrda I've had worse. Once I was in a game, I played as a really tanky paladin, and the party was going through a dungeon. Due to our cowardice, and by our I mean my cowardice as I was the party's meat shield, we hadn't killed a lot of the enemies. So we're nearly done, and we come out to see like 25 foes of varying difficulties. The GM at the time was really good at setting things up, but bad at pulling through on them. So, due to our weakened state, I knew we would die. So, mainly just for the memes, when my turn arrives, I say I intimidate the enemies by dabbing. Three things happen. First, the GM accepts it, and since I rolled high it worked. Then, three of the other players burst out laughing. Lastly, the other player loses his shit. It was kinda funny, but it also took an hour to resolve.

[@bunnyqueen20XX]

Plus if the whole squad is "dead" then it can be a game over or whatever, so its less tension then normal and you get a chance to save the party member instead of havin to find a way to res them or whatever

[@ryokkeno]

If you do it right they'll think there barely holding on, when really they were not even close. Having a good group though is probably my favorite part of GM-ing.

[@BurgersforBreakfast127]

Any DM worth his salt knows that FUN is the golden rule. If a player is bored with his character, the DM needs to come up with a way to accomodate him. Bringing you back to life was a cheap fix, IMO, and forcing you to remain "Ben the Healbot", despite asking him for a change and then getting yourself killed is probably the worst possible way your DM could have addressed the issue. The least he could have done was put you in a new body(class/race change w/same person, memories, etc. on the inside). And it makes me think, if you guys can't/don't ever die/end characters, what the hell do you even need a healer for anyway? I would twist things around on him. Embrace the resurrection aspect. Do the duty for your goddess, vanquish the enemies. Or maybe you are slightly mad and more aggressive after dying. Don't ready any healing spells. Take a couple levels in fighter or Pally or ranger and become a madman with a new purpose. Nobody dies, right? Then just give yourself another function. Their lives will be spared somehow. Heal, Schmeal. Best of luck. Awesome vid as always.

[@amethystziggurat9946]

Isn't it true that all forms of ressurection require the soul to be willing?

[@Pupcat]

I think some may not - though more so in a general literature sense than in game since I don't play - but I'm pretty sure those aren't classified as ones a goddess would do, except maybe one of the older ones back when stories were riotous, and even then LOL

[@liamdalemon1525]

I guess a suicidal person has a high enough will to survive... doesn't that mean that literally everyone could come back to life???

[@skycaptain95]

Revivify doesn't care

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

Divine Intervention may not care either.

[@someguyeban]

GM: i will revive you Me: No GM: U have been revived Me: then i kill myself GM: No Me: im leaving GM: how are we supposed to play Me: who cares its your fault GM: :(

[@imacookieboichocchip8819]

Copied comment silly boy

[@kairik.4508]

@@imacookieboichocchip8819 damn you called him out!!! 😂😂

[@liamdalemon1525]

he literally spawned god to keep you from the death that you were begging for!

[@liamdalemon1525]

@@imacookieboichocchip8819 lots of people have slimier comments so this might be more of another fish in the sea

[@Phi_Lix]

Liam da Lemon! Except that both comments are near identical in wording.

[@brosephnoonan223]

You handled this situation EXACTLY as a player should. It is certainly EVERYONE'S game at the table, including yours. If you do not want to play your character anymore you should be free to retire them. Thats what adventurers do when they want to stop risking life and limb and pass on what they've learned of the world. They retire. I'm certain you explained to your group your reasonings, and they seemingly promptly ignored them. So what you do is, completely IC, decide you will not adventure anymore. You character might decided to build and minister a church to their god in a place that could really use one, or retire to become a writer, or go home and become a family man. When the call to adventure sounds, don't answer it. The best part of retirement is that you can always COME OUT of it. Say youre a level 10 cleric and feel its time to just settle down and become a minister. The party might even just take the day to help you build your temple, spend one last night in the tavern where there just so happens to be a devilishly charming traveling minstrel who ALSO planned to leave town the following day, same as the party. Now they have traded their cleric for a bard, but their cleric is still alive and well. Now, say you want to switch back? There's tons of ways to do that. Maybe a courier in the next town hands the party a letter from the cleric telling them to come back to Clericsville, something awful has happened! At that point the bard can go back with them discover that the town has been under siege by the undead! The cleric rejoins the party to go hunt down the lich raising the horde while the bard stays behind in town to hold down the fort. Unfortunately the only building left standing is the temple. Theres been too much necromancy going on for crops to really grow now, so the survivors must move on and who better than to keep their weary spirits high than a plucky musician? So the party parts ways with the bard and picks up their cleric friend and resume adventurering. Edit: You also could have been SUPER upset IC about coming back to life. Have a crisis of faith, your god broke the rules of death. For *you*. Why? If she could do that for you, why doesn't she do that for everyone else? You could have decided right then and there to have your cleric go from "Praise the goddess and her life giving blessings!" to "Oh my god, ive been preventing the natural cycle of life and death, no one should have these powers, or use these powers. The gods are also fuckin dicks, willing to revive those who prove useful but allowing those who don't to die, just so that way they can have more presence in the world, and I will not be apart of this." which would have been entirely reasonable. This new found revelation might have made you suicidal, so to test your theory your character could attempt to kill himself again, to either prove his new ideology true (and forsake the gods), or he'll be wrong and you can finally die in peace.

[@tabletopgamer1595]

Wise words indeed. Blessings of Mara upon you.

[@Xmvtjets96X]

Agree 1000%

[@jbroderick9083]

Well said.

[@legendofFranktheTank]

nothing to do with your comment, but for some reason it started expanded on my browser, i didnt click show more.

[@thialves2009]

For Talos, bitcheees!

[@seraphilight]

There is no "need a healer". Just specifically constructed encounters expecting one. That group was just arses if they refuse to let you play something fun. Worst case scenario the DM just gives them an item/npc as a heal tank.

[@gourdguru]

seraphilight exactly, my current pathfinder group is a ranger, a swashbuckler, and two rogues. No healer no tank no mage. We do just fine. And our dm has almost ko'd the whole party before, but we managed to pull it off, and our gm, while not sadistic, has no qualms about a player getting killed by his own stupidity, and my group is pretty stupid.

[@seraphilight]

Yeah, in 5e it's inane to insist someone play a certain class to make the party stronger. They're all powerful, and if you need to help the party then put on your roleplay shoes and have your pc >drumroll< HELP THE PARTY. Seriously, I don't understand why this party balance is a thing. Your game sounds fun though. Swashbucklers are great. A hard DM is great.

[@gourdguru]

seraphilight our game get's insane tbh. We're all really out of left field thinkers, so the dm will pland for options A through D, and we go with option Q. Our dm pretty much says "wait, you wanna do WHAT?!?" EVERY SESSION at least once, lol

[@seraphilight]

Sounds like he needs to embrace bullshitting. Maybe get him to do a one-shot where he has literally nothing planned, hasn't even seen the character sheets, and relaxes letting most things be okay. I think he'll be pleasantly surprised. I ran a text rp loosely based off DnD and just okayed pretty much anything (from my own understanding as long as I knew what it was), so we had appearances from various games, anime, books, and movies in a fantasy world whose highest tech was steampunk/magic generated yet had a whole galaxy full of differing levels of tech planets. Worked ridiculously well. NO character creation, people just jumped in. They could take it as seriously or silly as they wanted, were surprised when they found they could actually do whatever they wanted and could accomplish something. Of course it doesn't quite work with more laid-back players afraid to take the reins. It's taking control out of the DM's hands and putting it in the players. Found the story was more likely to suffer the more I controlled it. Though I didn't feel bad when players were being dumb- logic is the best tool.

[@gourdguru]

seraphilight oh you misunderstand. He LOVES our shenanigans. They just always seem so ridiculous his mind can't process it. Example: we ran into vampires and were NOT prepared for them, had no silver weapons, and this small group of undead hæmotologists looked like they were gonna slaughter us. THEN, one of the rogues asks "how long would an extremely minor modification to an arrow, that wouldn't require any serious tools, take using the crafting skill?" The dm says if it's that minor, maybe a minute or two per arrow. The rogue then grabs all of the ranger's arrows out of his quiver, reaches into his pocket for some twine, and grabs his coinpouch. He then proceeds to withdraw from combat and spend all his actions per turn TYING SILVER COINS TO THE ARROWHEADS just fast enough for the ranger to get off 1 shot per round of play. The ranger is our heavy hitter. This literally saved our asses, and the dm was like "what the-uhhhhhh.....y-yeah, that....that works, lol." There was also an incident involving an underwater exploration sequence in a shipwreck where we wedged a sunrod in the pocket of the captain's floating corpse and then used a spear handle to push the body from room to room to conserve our sunrods. Lol

[@romellosmith3488]

If I was the DM, I would set it up in a way that your character just left the group and lived a normal life, which is completely understandable and reasonable considering the dangerous life of an adventurer. The rest of the players would meet your new character in a tavern or something.

[@settingsun8403]

this is a case of an RPG relying too heavily on the "G" aspect where characters are no longer treated as people in an unforgiving world but tools used to form a GM's power hungry fantasy

[@thehalfa95]

Setting Sun I disagree. In my personal experience this is a case when the G is dropped. It’s usually my artsy friends who love story that complain when a character dies at my table. I’ve been told many times that “that character death wasn’t dramatic enough, “or “that it wasn’t story relevant and that it should have taken place later in the story,”. I’ve stopped playing with some people that are very close to me because of their position that it’s a story making tool first and game second. When my players who understand it’s a game die, they get mad that their character died, give it a minute, then start rolling new stats. Because when you play a game you understand that you can lose

[@flamenami]

@@thehalfa95 Puffin explicitly points out that the main reason that the group wouldn't let him change is because they needed a healer, so this case is definitely about the "G" aspect.

[@thehalfa95]

@@flamenami "they said since I had been playing the character for so long it didn't make sense in the story to switch"

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

a good DM would have said. "oh ok, you want a new character? well give time till next session to plan his death. ok? I give you a note when its time."

[@santiagogs15]

a better DM talks to you and asks ou if at certain point you want your character to turn evil , leave the party and be a main antagonist in the next arc, and allows you to reroll another character when the now evil character leaves.

[@bfitz5610]

The best DMs would take this as an opportunity to interject something for sure. It doesn't have to be the cliche "old character dies/comparable person says hello and joins us". It could be a whole session, explaining where that old character has gone and why somebody else has appeared. I can already think of three or four adventure seeds for this. Man, the DM in this video was awful.

[@ShiftyMcGoggles]

I managed to almost get around this in a group I was in once. Half-orc fighter, we'd gotten up to a pretty high level to the point where I wasn't really enjoying being a tanky 'charge and smash' character. So, at the end of a mission, my character addressed the party and simply told them all, he was done. He'd had adventures with them all, and plenty of tales to tell, but he was getting old for an orc, and well, wanted to go on to the final two adventures, that of the journey home and to finally have a family. The DM then proceeded to have the party join him on the trip home, to find the entire orc village burned down and everyone was dead.

[@TheGrumpyMinstrel]

That, sounds like a Dick move from your DM.

[@baconvideo8413]

Quite.

[@witchBoi_Connor]

Well, shit. Character wise, there’s nothing left for you to do but hunt down the bastard that did it. Player wise, there’s nothing left for you to do but straight up say “I don’t want to play this character, and if I can’t reasonably put them to rest one way or another, I’m going to leave”.

[@brotherofAnubus]

Hey look, free land!

[@tamepenguin]

Seriously, if that had happened to one of my characters, I'd informally changed classes. Hey, I have been revived by a GODDESS. Not just revived, but she KNEW me. Of course I'll trash my former life and become a (normally lawful good) paladin of said goddess. "Oh, you're wounded? I would heal you, but you did not join me in prayer this morning. So go die, heathen!". Your party should soon grant you a new character :)

[@davindamico1759]

chaotic good paladin that only will heal those of the same faith

[@ThatRoundFops]

Goddess; "I have come to resurrect you," *Internal screaming*

[@adriangore850]

This sounded to me like a clear cut case of GM Meddling, especially the Deus Ex Machina at the end. If you are having problems with your character, you should always talk to GM and both of you should work towards a change that you can both agree on. If the GM is unwilling to do this, then this is just bad GMing. Communication and Harmony between players is essential and without it: you're going to have a bad time. Don't let GM abuse of powers stop you from having fun, get a new GM or become a better one yourself.

[@SapphireCrook]

Well, yea, it's everyone's game. Which is to say, they also can't force you to NOT have fun so they can have the fun they want. In a good situation, there's compromise. If anything, a nice adventure that makes the character sick of the group, or feel like retirement is the better option. Adventuring is hard work, and remarkably well paying, so why not have him retire as that whole goddess thing made him feel like he was pushing it too hard?

[@seraphilight]

I think they just wanted a heal bot so even if he made another character they'd think it was pointless, since they'd expect him to play healer again. A good group would at least go, "Hey, I still want to play with you. X has also been wanting to do something new as well so why don't you both make new characters and they can play the healer this time?" BUT many people see death as a bad thing, likely doesn't help when character creation is super long.

[@override367]

this is bad DMing, having a party with no healer seems like a crippling downfall but oh no suddenly the monsters must've found a caravan of powerful healing items and the dark lord had underpants of resurrection when you looted him that bring anyone back if you put them over their head

[@SapphireCrook]

You know, you can side-step the need for healers by tailoring encounters to not rely on a virtual random supply of HP. Cuz fun fact, healers are mostly just 'more, distinctly assignable' HP reserves from a mechanical standpoint. Or Focus Fire more to avoid monster rounds and damage, or if its a utility, find ways to avoid damage with tactical decisions and strategy.

[@seraphilight]

The DM can totally tailor to not need a healer. Though, parties insist on them anyway 'cause it makes games "safe". Seriously, get the ability to rez and death ceases to matter. This is why some DMs do either "no magic" games or games without clerics, or even just "no rez magic". Players play the game completely different.

[@thomasjoychild4962]

Besides which, there are lots of ways to heal with non-cleric classes, bards and paladins spring to mind immediately, certainly none that heal as well as a well-built cleric but quite adequately.

[@davidenriqueaguilarmoo92]

Clerics (and other classes witb healing spells) if your party wont let you change classes because you are "the healer", stop healing, theres a whole lot of spells, or just go melee

[@MrKoffeeKup]

No death? Why? I would lose all interest in the game at that point! Half the fun is dying. Hopefully in the worst way imaginable. Like to a horde of rats or engulfed by a slime or a misplaced fireball

[@defectivesickle5643]

Right? It's like playing Fire Emblem with no perma-dea- *Oh wait.*

[@Livestreamlurker]

Or when your wild mage makes a deal with the dm to get advantage for wild magic later and then the wild magic summons a fire ball and kills the me.

[@spartanwar1185]

Or if you mistime that stupid spike trap that you swear is rigged to trigger when someone walks by it instead of being timed

[@Naro_Rivers]

Ooh! I've experienced that last one! My dwarf wizard had another character's fireball misfire and form inside his chest cavity. Dwarf goes pop, it rains flaming giblets. All his non-magical stuff gets incinerated and his gold pieces melt into a large lump, which was used as payment to resurrect him back in town.

[@marianp.781]

that reminds me of a time i was playing some sort of one-off game with two other players(one wasn’t playing because someone had to be the dm), we made some character sheets and started, the other player decided to break open a bunch of random crates BUT in the process got attacked by a bunch of rats and had to kill them, BUT in the process accidentally got a bunch of rat-blood-stuff in his mouth, so a few minutes later when he almost died from something else, he asked me to stab him, which i did, and then the other person described as he hit the floor, he woke up BUT he was half-rat because he accidentally consumed so much rat blood, and THEN he started (while laughing, and while i was laughing) saying that one arm was reeeaally tiny and one leg was replaced by a rat tail, AND that his face was a rats face, AND WE WERE LAUGHING SO MUCH, except for the person who had just become half rat, and he asked me to stab him again, which i did, but then as he hit the floor he woke up as a little baby, asked me to stab him AND THEN he hit the floor and woke up as an old man and then again he asked me stab him, then he was half rat again, and so he took my sword away from me and tried to stab himself, but then the other person started saying “no suicide allowed” in a weird voice, so then he gave my sword back and told me to stab him again but then the other person said “no pvp allowed” in that same weird voice..... it was great...

[@joelharris4446]

have you ever had a good DM?

[@MrLordDarlington]

Nope, not even in campaigns where he was the dm.

[@queenofthecosmos5561]

MrLordDarlington gimmick puppet egg head?

[@flexprime2010]

I am a DM and sadly i feel quite the opposite. Never encountered good players :(

[@curtisbrown547]

this. I do not know why but this guy has the patience of a damn saint

[@chrono254]

In our group we all have to write a backstory in witch we have someplace or someone more important to us than our quest , so when we miss sessions or if we want to switch character , we work into the story that we are called away to this person or this place , this allows us to switch characters without having to kill them off

[@pumblegrump]

Phil Dess That’s a really good idea. It could only really go wrong if you’re stuck somewhere for multiple sessions with no means of escape

[@editsontoast]

Dang dude, that’s better than what we do. When we get done with sessions we get stuck in a t-pose. If someone can’t make it, they just float with us wherever we go in this t-pose. As soon as they’re back, they come back to normal

[@TorKonungr]

Great story! In this situation, for me it's simple. "I'm not having fun with this character anymore, so he's going to die off/exit the game regardless--up to you whether or not that means you write him out for a new character or write me out from this adventure entirely." For me, not worth the time of playing unless I'm having fun. I would allow anyone to change their character if they wanted to, cause it's meant to be a fun time for everyone included in the game. On top of that, the whole concept of characters never dying sounds like it would become dull rather quickly.

[@ShaolinPotato]

GODDAMNIT JUST LET ME DIE

[@tylerhoward3100]

100% disagree with your last sentiments. A good DM would notice you weren't having fun and would work around not having a main healer.

[@markbridges2168]

Providing more opportunities for short rests is a good way to remove the need for a healer.

[@airiakizuki5592]

Cutting the cost and weight of potions and scrolls might be another option. Priest spells are useful but hardly necessary.

[@bfitz5610]

Plus there's other strong healing classes that could've been an option. What if you were looking to play a druid or a soul shaman or some other comparable healer? Sure nothing beats a cleric but... if you can't die on purpose to a room full of AoO, then you really don't need that extra edge. Hell, this party coulda got by with a ranger or a bard for healing.

[@dariendarkhouse8538]

A DM that doesn't let characters die? The fuck? Where's the challenge then, where are the stakes?

[@dddmemaybe]

The stake is the wooden one the DM put in the ground to keep vampires, undeath, and hell, death in general at bay so he can have total totalitarian control over his domain. And because Rule Zero, Ain't gotta explain shit, boIII.

[@kevlarman9565]

1 minute and 53 seconds in the video Me: Why didn’t the d.m. just say it was a decoy? That would have been MUCH more believable.

[@Sarah12471]

A very good question

[@relint12]

Back when I DM’d in 2nd edition days ‘93-‘98ish my groups would often have multiple characters ready just because they would die so often. If I recall, this was before going to 0 meant falling unconscious was an official rule. They still talk about how exciting those adventures were.

[@Mr.WellingtonVonDukeIII]

My half orc died and my teammates took turns beating my dead body with whips and chains, merrily laughing as my incorporeal soul watched on, THEN brought me back to life! On the plus side a succubus fell in love with me and became my follower, best d20 crit my half orc ever rolled.

[@Mr.WellingtonVonDukeIII]

Had to clarify, I was in an evil necromancers dungeon when I got killed and as for the bus she hadn't met me yet. Hence forth the whips and chains.

[@DaveButtons]

My Friday starts off with a bang. Thanks for the laughs

[@kylestroup3077]

D20 crit to convince a succubus to love you and be your follower? Yeah.... skill checks (diplomacy, persuasion) dont get "crits". A 20 + all your modifiers is just a number, not an auto success.

[@Biosquid239]

Jorge Luis some people house rule it like that, my table does it makes things more interesting. Same thing goes for Nat 1s though they become extra bad

[@kylestroup3077]

Biosquid239 except that system is nonsensical "I want to jump 1000 feet ....natural 20!" No. A 20 is simply the best you can possibly do at a given task And if with all your bonuses you still dont beat the DC then you just arent able to do it

[@TheFuryHasCome]

What kind of a sick, demented DM wouldn't let you leave your mortal coil? I tell you what, spend a couple sessions with *my* group, and you'll learn a thing or 2 about the ever present threat of perma death.

[@THEDARKMISTT]

OOO i like the sound of that, though i got a session going a lot like dark souls where if you die you become one of the undead, its pretty interesting

[@hinro]

aka a zombie?

[@kabob0077]

THEDARKMISTT Why don't you go and Light the Fires Far?

[@duncanm4061]

My second session, my level six ranger went up against the boss. Or was ambushed by him. Defeated instantly.

[@luisdunfordgavira]

In the group i'm in we had a person have to roll a new character in the second session, not because the GM was cruel he just got super unlucky and rolled 2 nat 1s on death saving throws

[@TheArachnidCompany]

Ah the first time I was subjected to d&d puffin you shaped the next year and onward of my life with this one video

[@rebeccaanderton185]

Puffin's voice acting is A+++

[@Dextkiller]

The whole purpose of D&D is to have fun. If you're not having fun then something needs to change. Forcing you into a character that you don't want to play is a bad decision for everyone involved. It's alright to put your foot down and tell your DM you are sick of your current character. If he doesn't understand that then.. well he's not being a very good DM.

[@Altherix]

I would have so called the GM out on that B.S. Seriously, a Goddess, takes time to resurrect a cleric who died to a generic summoned monster by a generic evil wizard. There isn't some other hero in the world, or a mother of children, or a father that would do a lot more good being resurrected. Or a holy cleric who if brought back could finish their work curing the cursed forest of Aliban were many have lost their lives for four score generations. Nooooooooooo, this Cleric is the most important person to resurrect right now.

[@artificialavocado9652]

I'm figuring the DM suspected he was trying to off himself and did the whole resurrection thing just to screw with him.

[@OzixiThrill]

At that point, it's time for the player to burn thze table; Turn on your own party members and go for the kills; If death becomes comopletely irrelevant to the point that even full-on kills don't matter anymore, you can, at that point, genuinely ask everyone after the session if the party actually still needs a healer after the "We each resurrected at least 10 times just there" thing. Otherwise, they will either have to let your character die or be dead themselves. It's a phyrric victory either way, and at that point, that's the only one you're getting.

[@feiwnakausvkaxbdkebkswowbq8331]

The players are of equal blame keeping you from changing your character and siding with the DM

[@Twisted_Logic]

Man that group's culture is COMPLETELY different to mine. I go into a campaign assuming I'm going to die at least once and always have a backup on the ready just in case.

[@Nyrufa]

Praying to the goddess to bring you back to life is a Cleric skill. Also, the DM pretty much just meta gamed your character's thoughts and actions. I call bullshit on this party!

[@CoffeeandCancerStix]

Nyrufa yeah I might have been able to except not being allowed to simply switch characters, but no way in hell the dm gets to decide how my characters feel!

[@canuckin]

Characters don't end at level 20. Some of the best Characters I've ever DM'd have burned out after several levels. ALSO, everything about that video suggests that you are characters in the DM's novel, and not that the DM is writing a world for the players at the table. Speaking as a DM, that is totally backwards. Good DMs bend to the table, not the players to the DM.

[@joerigby8393]

I love this video. I have watch it many times. I am in a group where players don't die, so i can sympathize with sometimes wanting to see a character death. The DM goes out of his way to change rules so death doesn't occur. Tonight the big bad witch didn't cast her fireball. Another session I thought I died but it was all a dream and we leveled up. Another session and the big baddy fought by himself and his minions never helped than ran away. It takes some fun out to know that what ever you do will be ok.

[@desmannesjohannes5095]

imagine the content of you telling them how everything seems to lose any meaning and whether you and your group can find an answer to the age old riddle of what it means to be alive loved the video :)

[@aaronbaker2186]

In that situation, you rip up your character sheet, set the scraps on fire, and then ask your DM to choose between you getting a new character you will enjoy playing, or you not playing until they start a new campaign. It is the DM's job to help players have fun, and if someone isn't having fun, the DM is not doing his job (of course, the DM needs to have fun too, or what is the point). It is a game, any time you find that playing a game isn't fun, whether DnD, a video game, or sports, you should stop playing and do something you do enjoy!

[@lightbornadventures3628]

Well said!

[@darkredwing]

While its true that you shouldn't force your gm to do things he doesn't really want, the same can be said of the GM and the other players forcing you to play a character that you lost interest in. As others said, they're plenty of ways to write a character out and bring a new one in without destroying a story. You're all there to have fun, and if someone isn't then there is a problem because its ALL of your game.

[@sykeassai]

It definitely sounds like your party wasn't overly in need of the cleric if a few enemies are not enough to take you down from attack of opportunities. And maybe if you had a new character you could have had more fun as a group. Maybe there could have been a side quest where your character was called away for some reason and your new character came in. Allowing the opportunity for your old character to revisit the group in the right circumstances without dying.

[@MadSaulot]

You handled this in a perfectly understandable way. NO DM should force a player to play a character they do not wish to play, it is counter-productive to the goal of the game: To have fun. Also, in RAW no power can forcibly ressurect someone against their will, not even the gods have that power. The DM was asking for shenanigans by refusing to allow you to change character, no matter where we are in a story my players always have the freedom to change characters, it doesn't take a genius to fold a new character into a party, your DM is a moron.

[@icefinch]

now i kinda want to have the party reach a floor where a dark lord is doing a ritual and when they say were here to stop you insert villain name have the dude tell them their on the wrong floor

[@masonmccoppin7743]

The summoning of the chaos army is one floor up, I have an apointment with another adventuring group in like 5 minutes so you should uh I don't know get a move on

[@erikrandom8547]

As a DM, you always have to remember, that it's not your story, it's the PLAYERS story. The purpose of the DM is to entertain the players. they're there to have fun, not listen to a live audiobook. There are cases where maybe a player never wants to play a sinlge charachter, and that may hurt the game. However, in this instance, the fault lies in your DM, not you. If the DM doesnt' like to kill your charachter off, have a nice story-arc for them, leading to them splitting up with the party. Or, as other pointed out, make it to an npc. Anything is better than having a player sitting and wanting to kill off his or her charachter and the DM stopping them, in an endless tug of war. On a side note: If a DM doesn't like killing, then resurrection for a high lvl charachter is totally fine in many cases, especially those tied with deities. It could be a cool arc, and a reunion with the rest of the party could be an amazing roleplaying experience. However, it should ALWAYS correspond with the players/charachters wish to be resurrected. An unwilling soul should be impossible to resurrect.

[@discipleoferis549]

The game belongs to all members present, DM included. The DM should be having fun as well, and the players should generally try to cooperate so long as they're also having fun. The DM just happens to have a great deal more control, and hence more responsibility than the players. Otherwise I agree with you. If the DM's style and the players' expectations are too different then it might just be a bad mix.

[@erikrandom8547]

That's an interesting point of view, and I see where you are coming from. I don't think I was arguing about that the DM shouldn't have fun, of course the DM should have fun, it's their story to tell, even though it's the players story to "live". I find your comment interesting, because it seems like we have different views (and probably also different experiences) about how a game is run. I see the DM as the "master of everything", the creator, etc. The master that creates storylines as well as places, cities and even worlds for players to interact with. In my view, the DM and the players aren't on the same level, it's a role that is so much more than just "having a great deal more control". However, this is a tabletop RPG, and what I just described is just one way to play it. In settings other than a totally homebrew world with a homebrew story (playing in an already established world, playing a module, etc) it makes much more sense that the DM should be on the same level as the players, and therefore my comment was flawed.

[@erikrandom8547]

On another side note: What made me comment in the first place was because the DM in their group seemed to have full creative control over the player charachter, which is a no no. That's what I meant with that it's the players story, not the DM:s.

[@davidsherlock5528]

I think resurrection story arcs work best at low levels (2-3 or so). Once you get up to a high enough point, it's pretty straightforward to pull together the necessary gold/components and find a priest to cast the spells. You only need to locate a 'large town' of at least 2000 people (using Pathfinder settlement rules), on average a city of this size has access to 5th-level casting (Raise Dead and Restoration). This could vary a bit depending on the type of town it is, but such cities are usually not terribly far apart in most settings. Worst case scenario, you need someone to throw a Resurrection, which is available in your average city of 10000 or more inhabitants. You could even carry a few scrolls or staff with the appropriate spells as group policy.

[@rambuskey]

Coming back to this after a year all I can think about is Jontron’s Flaxtape gag of “Let me die,just let me die”

[@Grond112358]

You absolutely handled it right. I love your stories, can we have more of them? I mean, a breakdown of the different mats is ... ok I guess, but I want cartoooooooonnnsss!! The one on Terror from the Deep is my favorite. So funny.