D&D vs. Pathfinder: Best Spellsword?

[@DnDDeepDive]

watch the full character build here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX2YcqJsg7iWoZI

[@brianstone675]

Magus was a take on D&D 3.5's Class Duskblade. It's a shame they never ported it up to 5e.

[@johngleeman8347]

Thanks Bruv. Was just about to post that.

[@KevinVideo]

I completely agree that it sucks we didn’t see it ported over. I’d have even settled for the 4e spellblade class getting ported over and both the duskblade and hexblade being its subclasses.

[@absolutleynotanalien8096]

​@@KevinVideo what do you think of the artificer?

[@M9Seradon]

​@Andrew it's too late for that. You would need Martials to have a system like the Battle Master's maneuvers to even hope to fix the divide. A proper spellsword isn't gonna change much

[@chengaming8120]

​@Andrew in pathfinder magus is very well balanced due to having a limited spell pool

[@BasementMinions]

The hype is real!!! So excited to see your exploration of the Magus. :)

[@ChocolateFishBrains]

The origins of the Magus can be seen in the Duskblade from 3.5e, but you have to hand it Paizo for taking that concept and refining it and making it so much better in PF.

[@cc1nn]

As a Biggest fan of Gishes in every single game, and as a DnD Bladesinger fan (among other things), I am super excited to see this video and finally know how they did it in Pathfinder. Lead the way Master Colby

[@bigjimslim]

Ever since I looked into Pathfinder after the WotC fiasco and discovered that the magus was the closest bladesinger conversion, I knew this video was coming sooner or later.

[@tarashideoushumor651]

YES!! Ever since I first discovered Pathfinder via Pathfinder Kingmaker, I have ADORED the Magus class in all of its glory. I can't wait to see you explore it in the tabletop version, this is going to be a blast 😁

[@danielbeshers1689]

"We want our weapon attacks to cast spells." Perfectly said.

[@RLKmedic0315]

Wearing "The Dungeon Dudes" shirt is awesome! Now I want to see Monty and Kelly sporting D4 shirts.

[@SteveMan92]

"Tune in tomorrow for the full character build!" UGH I'M NEVER EARLY DAMMIT. WHY DO I HAVE TO BE EARLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING A MAGUS BUILD??

[@Slobrojoe]

What an amazing shirt! I’m glad my two favourite D&D content producers get on like this :)

[@Senaul]

Let's goooo. Would love to see your take on the Gunslinger Drifter next :D

[@20catsRPG]

We had this conversation on Twitter! I'm glad we got you interested!

[@questforquests.]

Been playing an Inexorable Iron Magus since last year and it is the most satisfying gish experience I've had after years of trying to accomplish it in 5e. Being able to swing a big sword that cuts through enemies while a lightning bolt shocks through a line all at once is so damn cool. Just don't miss because you're only ever gonna get 1 strike a turn 90% of the time I've found :)

[@belevagor]

My first session as a starlit span I missed every single shot. By session 2 I was prepared and I ended up using hide to make sure I got my +2s on all my shots and did some serious damage.

[@MatheoTritschler]

the magus looks like an incredible take on the gish archetype, though I've yet to play one myself. Can't wait to "deep dive" into it with your video!

[@YaBoiSebas]

Hells yeah Colby is doing a Magus build!!!

[@Veledan]

Omg IT'S HAPPENING! My brother's in Bladesinging, the time is finally upon us!! I'm hyped, Colby!!

[@RETRODIBUS]

YESSSSSSS I'm learning so much from your Pathfinder2e videos, thank you! I'm so excited

[@sammayes948]

I felt that “yes” at the end

[@drewcourtney376]

I WANT MORE PATHFINDER!!! One of the classes from third edition that I really liked was the SpellSword from Tome and Blood. This feels so like it!!!

[@procrastinatinggamer]

Funnily enough the Magus' origins are in a class from 3.5 - the Duskblade from the PHB2. Both it and the PF1e Magus had the same main gimmick of delivering touch-ranged spells via a weapon strike. Paizo just refined it when adapting it to PF1e and 2e's version got changed further while still retaining that core mechanical concept.

[@rafasiqalv]

Magus delivering spells with attacks and Summoner being both caster and martial in separate bodies are very interesting interepretations of the gish characters. That said, Paladins are the closest to Magus in PF2e, if you trade their spell list to be more close to the Wizard's list

[@ebensirges]

I only started learning Pathfinder last summer so I haven't had the opportunity to play many characters, but until the official Elementalist releases, my astrologist gnome bow-wielding Magus is 100% the character I'm *most* excited to play. Knowing how you feel about gishes, I'm excited to see what you do with a Magus yourself :)

[@Siennarchist]

Magus, magus, magus

[@demago3265]

Y E S! My first character in Pathfinder is a Magus and I'm freaking loving ittt! Just hit level 3 and I've never been so satisfied with any character in D&D as I have with this character

[@KevinVideo]

I’m so ecstatic for this. I LOVE the magus. I’m been a fan of spell blade gishes since my 3.5 days and the duskblade. The magus scratches that itch nicely in PF 1e and 2e.

[@thebitterfig9903]

The fact that the Magus and Arcane Archer have unique actions which operate in a different way to just making a strike, or the castaspella activity goes a long way toward making them feel different from a Fighter with a free archetype in Wizard. I feel like the classes are in some ways more distinct, particularly since you can’t quite blend them with 5e-like multiclassing. Maybe that’s just “the grass is greener” but it’s an impression I have about PF2e right now.

[@greggorman5537]

Absolutely right bladesinging should feel like smite or a cone of cold shooting through a a target you hit

[@SuperEagle112]

My first character in P2E was an Indomitable Iron Magus. So much fun incorporating different spells into my bastard sword.

[@belevagor]

Yes. I love the Magus. I'm playing a Starlit Span one right now but eventually hope to try out all the subclasses.

[@Melidus53]

Ah the magus, what the eldritch knight of 5e really should have been.

[@muriomoira]

I was wondering when you would do the magus lol! Thats great!!

[@BestgirlJordanfish]

Honestly kinda wish Magus in PF2E had the option for Charisma Spellcasting, and/or Primal/Occult/Divine Spells to fill in remaining gaps for people who want to transfer from 5E. Would kinda help those fantasies of Paladins, Swarmkeeper, or Hexblade at least a little bit. Not one-to-one but at least leaning into that expressive fantasy. Would that be a bit much when also giving a hybrid study? Maybe, but with Psychic and Thaumaturge kinda providing pockets of Classes I can see it there. I can even see an argument of Champion *kinda* getting three facets to express (cause, divine ally, domain). I’d maybe like to see something like the PF2E class archetypes down the road where it swaps out fundamental class progression and features but otherwise treats it as the same class.

[@KevinVideo]

I didn’t realize the PF2E doesn’t allow for Charisma yet. The PF1E version of the magus has an archetype that lets you use Cha instead of Int, as well as another that could use druid spells. Hopefully, eventually, PF2E will be able to replicate that. The magus is still a newer class.

[@Gargoyle2830]

YES! YES! YES! You know what this means? Magus build is incoming!! Running around with hands in the air like Grover!!

[@kursedbiscuette5906]

Magus was my first class in pathfinder, and it will be my only class. God i love magus so much.

[@the_metamancer]

*laughs in eldritch knight*

[@donalddouds6033]

As soon as you announced you were going to give Pathfinder a try I instantly thought 1) He loves Monks so oh man is he gonna be stoked (when you said Core Rules) 2) I knew it wouldn’t take long before you said “Hello there” after seeing the Magus class

[@matthewlenard8346]

I remember in Diablo 2 I had a legendary dagger with four gem slots and I had four legendary emeralds socketed into it, not only did it apply a god tier level of acid damage but it had a 35% chance to emit a 365% radius of acid that puddled on the ground within a 15 foot Square.

[@Gradeius]

So I played a Magus for my first play of pf2e and it is kind of rough honestly it takes up a lot of actions to do the spell strikes you often have to choose between moving and spell striking and if you fight anything higher level you fail or crit fail your spells a lot it can be pretty feel bad, I don't recommend it if you are at all new to the system, maybe save it for your 4th or 5th+ character. (I played the staff variant, I think it would have been better to try a different option since most of the cool stuff came on too late with the staff)

[@Jk-zv6tz]

Yeah this video short is of someone who has not played a Magus yet. They are clunky, and the action economy to even spellstrike is so stifled with every other action you need to do to get it going, most of the time you'll finally get to the target, spellstrike once, miss, and that's the entire combat for you.

[@3_14pie]

THE MAAAAGUUUUUSS LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO

[@evrypixelcounts]

Magus! let's gooo!

[@HalfChristose]

Aaahhhhh I want to see what you come up with!!!!

[@nolanwright3949]

I totally understand man its why im addicted to sorcerer. Being able to quicken cast after making weapon attacks is so sadisfying.

[@searchforsecretdoors]

Oooo can't wait for this one!

[@williambowen8054]

Finally! Welcome to the Thunderdome, buddy!

[@roninhare9615]

I love your content, and I have a question for you. With your recent exploration into PF2 due to the shake up over the OGL. It was a community out reach to stand their grounds. Could I suggest expanding your dnd content to 3rd party? That way you could also support 3rd partys for dnd, and still explore pf2. Kobalt press, ghost fire gaming, frog god gaming, and Taldorei to name a few. I know it maybe a tall task to ask, but I feel it could offer you a lot alternative flavors out there that could refresh your mind on multi-classing and optimizing. All the while cross promoting 3rd party creators that would incentivize players and dms to expand their collection and what is allowed at tables. 😅 I appreciate all your hard work, can’t wait for the next video!

[@GA-eh4nl]

Can't wait for the gish video! :D

[@marianpetera8436]

And they win the contest for the best named feat: Magus's Analysis! It beats Wingardium Leviosa.

[@cheezeofages]

And bah gawd that endorphin rush when you crit a Spellstrike with your biggest spell.

[@jasonbritt2497]

I started playing PF first dip into caster I attempted a melee debuffing cleric which was fun. Then I tried witch next campaign after our DM suggested it and man did I love it but I missed being part of the action and really stuck to debuffing from ranged. Then I found the hexcrafter magus and omg it’s the best of both worlds. I’d suggest if you are doing high level longer campaigns taking a few levels of assassin after you pick up fighter feats from magus progression, you can have tons of fun if you have rogue in your party for some awesome twist and turns.

[@jforozco12]

My first pe character was a sword saint and it was awesome

[@robinofmoxley]

I've been wanting to try a Magus since I started actually looking at it and PF2e

[@chavesa5]

Magus is a fun class and Pathfinder makes it so good

[@amethystwillow9368]

True that! I haven’t played a sorcererss in 5e yet, but I gave pkayed an eldrich knight, I had a staff in PF. Home brew that was pretty awesome,?687 still wear mage armor, etc but you can do both on a d S I Hod turn and thst was pretty awesome

[@heartofdawnlight]

i feel like the best template i can think of for a martial caster is the Templars fro Xcom. they literally mold magic into blades.... having numerous things or properties that magic could weild would be sick

[@Cptbaron]

Nice dungeon dudes shirt

[@bigsmoke8816]

Magus video lessgoooooo

[@josephkovarna1959]

Playing a magus right now in a 1E game, I’m having so much more fun with it than I had with Bladesinger

[@ryokirah]

This was the first one that jumped out at me other than ranger. The only issue is the big action economy management

[@caseylane9162]

No way you said "there aint a ton of spell" in HEXBLADE- like.... WHAT,, i do gotta check out this magus tho- your hype has persuaded me

[@NikaanOnno]

Make a video about asuras

[@dmc8706]

I've always thought that the magus in 2e is a burst damage one hit wonder that needs to crit fish for maximum effect. Crit fishing either requires help from your team or multiple turns. (Crit fishing in Pathfinder second edition involves distributing penalties and bonuses.) This is a lot of fun, but is it optimal?

[@deepmind299]

Awesome!

[@darc3vil]

Magus for the win

[@JAKesler]

nobody ever talks about the artificer battle smith being a spell sword class. high ac , 5 th lvl spells martial weapons. Magic weapon and utility infusion that help with combat. Might have a different aesthetic, but I think it should be in the conversation 🤔

[@cidlunius1076]

Heck in PFE2, you can just attack and cast a spell in the same turn. You have enough actions to do that.

[@drawberry_jam]

Nice shirt, looks a bit familiar 👀

[@michaelwinter742]

Everything that isn’t mechanics is flavor. We play for the flavor. Make your game delicious.

[@marvincooper9926]

Aboleth Lung + Magus

[@Dabedidabe]

I always want spellblades to either buff weapon attacks with elemental options, or have weapon attacks regenerate mana to use spells. There has to be a point to it y'know

[@crashgaming8980]

Just saw this, I have a homebrew that I use for my campaign. I can send it to you if you want to look at it. I'm making a pdf of my homebrew world for my pc's.

[@paulfeeder4262]

honestly the eldrich knught feels the most gish in dnd with cast a cantrip (or spell) and make a ba weapon attack(mb even bladesinger but thise just feel like verry tanky wizzards)

[@TheCmachine2005]

I like Clerics as my favorite class. I looked at them in PF2e and I don't like the Clerics there. Maybe im missing something, but the Cleric seems more limited than a DnD Cleric.

[@davidfoltz4207]

Does this mean we are getting a Magus build from you? (Crossing fingers)

[@kafka6666]

YES

[@40gaetanot]

THE SHIRTTTTT!!!!!! Team Rat God

[@AnoNYmous-bz2ef]

Nice shirt

[@calmman32]

What is the best gish classes in PF?

[@DnDDeepDive]

You’ll see in about two hours ;)

[@vinspad3]

So you're making a cleric?

[@woj_kal]

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[@xMrMayhemx]

paladins and rangers in general eldritch knight hexblade blade singer forge cleric war cleric armorer weaponsmith the list goes on... this is sime half assed BS and he probably only read phb + xanathar's

[@dantezarath4274]

Pathfinder is just better, no offence.

[@TheRobversion1]

imo pf2e does this better due to the spellcasting feats scaling your casting dcs and giving you 3 actions to play with. so even without considering the magus, pf2e does this better even with lets say a simple ranger + sorc dedication. without haste, this simple setup allows you to attack 2x (twin takedown/hunted shot) and throw a lightning bolt, fear, illusory creature, etc. and for kicks, their animal companion gets a strike in via mature companion. this is not possible in 5e without haste along with needing to align your attack/cast stat via hexblade/battlesmith.

[@Jk-zv6tz]

Playing Pathfinder 2e atm. Each week, honestly the game is boring. Classes, boring, 3 action economy, boring. Oh and I'm playing a Magus. They are boring. Cast spell. Arcane cascade. Run over, one action. Spell strike, attack again, or move. It's VERY boring to play.