What should you play after Baldur's Gate 3? The best CRPGs ever.

[@pcrizz]

You should play Baldur's Gate 3 after you play Baldur's Gate 3.

[@philcosby7058]

I was literally thinking of doing a second play though after finishing it but I think I’ll wait a couple months

[@Slade111984]

Came here to say exactly this

[@msorobia]

Same thing I thought too 😂

[@JoyTuub]

This is the way.

[@ThundraBoy666]

@@philcosby7058 I didn't, the evil ending was so bad it put me off the game for some time (which is pretty much the same whatever you do throughout your run, even Druge barely has any difference). But I jumped right into another Pathfinder playthrough after the credits rolled, was an epic adventure. BG3 will definitely get another shot once they release their definitive edition, I was enjoying the game very much until Act 3.

[@TasthePap]

Keep in mind, while Tyranny is small in duration, your choices alter the game events to such a great degree that multiple playthroughs are needed to have the full experience.

[@brandonerwin7031]

After playing PoE1+2, I tried Tyranny and quit in the first five minutes. Good luck to anyone that tries to play it.

[@ppgod6989]

​@@brandonerwin7031why'd you quit?

[@themediumcheese]

​@ppgod6989 probably got bored at the map part

[@leonard1889]

That's kinda the point in CRPGs isn't it ?

[@TIMxisxHERE]

I quitted within 30 minutes.

[@psour33]

I can't stop playing BG3, I'm falling inside BG3, I'm now part of BG3, I'm doomed and lost for the world.

[@wounderwillow9532]

Ive Been playing Nonstop too

[@crimsonpresents]

Same. I’ve been playing it about every day since Halloween

[@Red-qv4nb]

I’m convinced that the ending of the game is actually the start of the game and that’s why your play throughs will keep becoming more and more efficient each time

[@canalcanal5386]

Im playing this sht since 2 weeks ago

[@k--music]

For me it was KOTOR and Dragon Age Origins that made me fall in love with the genre and BG3 made me want to find the rest. Will definitely have to get into all of these too

[@Undependable3]

dont sleep on Deadfire!

[@masterjavix]

Kotor 1 and 2 are a little outdated tbh. Dont get me wrong, kotor 2 specially is super fun and the choice to be a sith or a jedi is great! But if the 2000 more slow type of games are not your thing you might find them boring

[@k--music]

@@masterjavix yeah they’re some of my favorites but you do feel the age. Would be cool to see Larian take on a kotor sequel the same way they took on and modernized baldur’s gate, though i doubt they would want to

[@FSVR54]

stop with the old IPs. Make new IPs. But I just hate star wars so would rather not see them waste their time @@k--music

[@k--music]

@@FSVR54 not many IPs older than dungeons and dragons lol

[@certifiedmadman7818]

the world created in the Pillars of Eternity series is just too good, the Godlike race, the gods and religions, the wheel and the inbetween are just tooo interesting, I prefer PoE 1 main story, 2nd one had better side stories and better everything else doe, the side quests in the Gutter area were so immersive and well written! underrated series, hoping Avowed lives up to them.

[@TheGreatestJediOfAllTime]

Avowed is gonna suck from what I can gather. I hope im wrong cuz I LOVE pillars. I hope they scrap avowed and work on Pillars 3 with the same production quality Baldurs Gate got

[@elliottblair31]

@@TheGreatestJediOfAllTimeliterally no evidence it will be bad. Go on and retire from gaming.

[@Goaheadandstaymad21332]

@@elliottblair31 The glazing is crazy

[@Spitfire-zx7rj]

I'm on opposites. I found a lot of loopholes and inconsistent in the lore when I think about it for more than 5mins

[@leroywalton4348]

~=[ MODERN ]=~ 6:50 Divinity origianal sin 2 10:30 Pillars of ethernity : Deadfire 19:20 Pathfinder : Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous 23:30 Tyranny 24:14 Disco Elysium 26:30 Wasteland 3 ~=[ OLDSCHOOL ]=~ 28:20 Baldur's gate 2 30:07 Planescape Torment 30:36 Fallout 1 & 2 31:02 Arcanum: of steamworks and magick obscura

[@Jinisinsane]

Ill add wasteland 2 and xcom series to this list. Theres also wartales but it lacks story depth.

[@KelurahanKarangtengah-i6k]

all of this list are great games

[@red2977]

If someone is willing to give old games a try I would definitely recommend Dragon's Age Origins. One of my all time favorite games. Witcher 3 is a masterpiece. Yes the story is excellent but it is also enjoyable to play and the sidequests are interesting stories in their own right. Disco Elysium I agree is also great, although a different experience for sure.

[@ColorsFadeGaming]

DAO is the best. The engine doesn't hold up well today, but man, such a great game.

[@FlyinTools]

@@ColorsFadeGamingabsolutely. I don’t throw the word “masterpiece” around lightly but DAO is a masterpiece.

[@Dyomaeth]

I found DA:O really enjoyable too, for its time, but it has real issues with difficulty scaling. The default experience is so easy it makes the game a total cakewalk in a way that you have to fall asleep on your keyboard to die. At the same time Nightmare difficulty is straight up broken and makes the game tedious. Enemies get absolutely nonsensical elemental resistances and this with friendly fire just makes you in for a slog. This didn't get much better with Inquisition which is "damage sponges - the game".

[@MetalGearyaTV]

Witcher 3 is atrocious as a game, and nothing like a CRPG.

[@Skumtomten1]

@@Dyomaeth Nightmare isn't that hard really, not even close to broken. Normal difficulty should be the sweetspot for most new players, but now I can beat Nightmare with ease. So I use mods to make the game even harder. The only problem with the difficulty is that the game gets progressively easier the higher your level becomes. Everyone gets more powerful, but you make much more use of that power compared to the AI, so it ends up being easier at higher levels. Haven't found a mod that fixes this, but at least it makes you feel more powerful though.

[@matheoeo]

Great list. I agree. However „Dragon Age Origins“ absolutely needs to be on this. It‘s like BG3 bit done 20 years ago. It holds up fantasticly for today.

[@littleoldmanboy]

Absolutely

[@AaSs-ln9mm]

​@@littleoldmanboynot really. Most things is mediocre in this game.

[@CellVoid]

@@AaSs-ln9mm in what way is any of DAO mediocre? It's got fantastic acting and animations, a great overarching story with dozens of wonderful story arcs, as well as hundreds of smaller quests with quality storytelling built into them; it's got hours of interesting, well-developed lore to explore through these quests and tasks; it has multiple origin stories as well as important world-changing decisions throughout the game, encouraging multiple playthroughs; it has competent and in-depth character building systems, a rich and engaging combat system, including the ability to automate your party's actions so you can just focus on your PC if that's your jam; it has great enemy designs, encounter designs, boss designs, and plenty of secret areas/encounters; it has variety in your dialogue options, so you can choose to truly roleplay the character you want to be... The list goes on. I'd argue it still remains a bar to measure any newer CRPG experiences against.

[@aw2031zap]

To save yourself a lot of strife, just stay away from BioWare games after BG2. Better off that way.

[@christianowens4104]

@@aw2031zap Never have a read a more incorrect opinion.

[@jbfwinning]

Arcanum definitely has voice acting in many places! Not only that, but it has one of the greatest build systems of any RPG. There are some deeply exciting options at the end of all of the tech and magic trees, and you have to choose! You can dabble in the surface of both, but if you want the juicy stuff, you have to sacrifice tech or magic, and then specialize within them even further. It's a delight to have the option to be OP by so many different methods. Highly recommend.

[@simonholmes6473]

Arcarnum was amazing. Way ahead of its time. I remember beating a really hard dungeon full of rock things that are bad for your weapons, just with Charisma as there was a high charisma option to get someone to do it for you and you just wait outside for them to come back with the quest item 🙂

[@Allison_Hart]

Weirdly enough, maybe Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines......but I say that because I'm obsessed with Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines lmaoooo

[@Wolfdorf]

Wow I love that game, waiting for 2 now

[@H41030v3rki110ny0u]

@@Wolfdorf bad idea lmao... it will be an epic failure, perhaps one of the greatest disappointments in gaming HISTORY

[@Undependable3]

Should I play Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines Allison?

[@captainblastems3367]

@@H41030v3rki110ny0u an expert on great disappointments are we?

[@baronsengir187]

@@Undependable3 Everyone should

[@Aleera616]

I loved Dragon Age Origins back in the day and Baldurs Gate 3 is the first game that made me feel the same sense of awe and wonder as DAO. It's a shame that there is no remaster of DAO but if you don't mind dated mechanics and optics, it's still a fantastic game. The unique backstories for different class/race combos spoiled me lol, I am still waiting for another game to do this.

[@Mike_TNVol4Life]

It really does feel like a fully realized, modern day Dragon Age Origins

[@vladdracula8103]

@@Mike_TNVol4Life I would think this same thought all the time while I played BG3.

[@thetechtron2812]

To all who loved storytelling and the brutal world settings, please go and play Pathfinder Kingmaker and Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous. You will thank yourself. The story alone contains atleast 100 hours and after you end the game, surprisingly you instantly want to replay the game with other paths and choices.

[@Xeno426]

The only problem is that Owlcat is a "bastard DM". If you're not fairly optimized, even "normal" difficulty gets quite difficult.

[@petdip3615]

I think pathfinder km... lacks of a great evil...a great villain during so much of the arcs. I really want to like it... but....buf

[@magicstyx]

Another great modern CRPG is Warhammer: Rogue Trader (its by the same people as the 2 Pathfinder games). It came out after this video.

[@ectogamut]

After 197 hours of BG3 I need to play a totally different genre before I hop back into another CRPG

[@Undependable3]

FFXIV!

[@ectogamut]

@@Undependable3 just started playing Tales of Arise, so... close enough ;)

[@ChristianDeLarge]

I felt this comment. I am generally an RPG guy, but after completing my first run of BG3, I needed a completely different flavor. So now I’m playing through Metro Exodus, on my ps5. Which is a FPS. So yeah. I totally get needing a palate cleanse.

[@Mibit911]

It should be baldursgate 1 and 2

[@nazgulsenpai]

Glad I found this video. High quality for such a small channel. I look forward to seeing it grow!

[@Undependable3]

Thank you! that makes me feel really happy!

[@dave-r]

Thanks for this list. I'm 49 and have never played these type games. BG3 was a first for me.

[@Undependable3]

That's what I wanted to hear! Every game on this list is worthwhile, don't sleep on Deadfire!

[@brentbentKRFP]

Lucky you! There's so many great games to explore, you should check out Mortismal Gaming on YT. He's a CRPG fanatic, he 100% a game before reviewing it and his reviews are no nonsense, here's the facts, here's my experience and here's what I thought about it all along with a does it work on the Steam Deck. Here's one where he rates all 40 games he ha reviewed at that time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/onyoXqKZjquUb9U It's 30 minutes long and covers 40 games so it's a great quick intro to lots of games and all of them have full reviews from him you can check out if the game sounds interesting to you. Mortismal is a unique person in the review world and gives honest reviews. I wouldn't do this for the vast majority of the creators I watch but he's a superb resource for somebody new to CRPGs and is looking for some more. Enjoy all the adventures!

[@RicoLen1]

Dude! Not cool! My first reaction was "ha! You're old" But then I realized I'm old enough to have gone to high school with you... Dammit! Dragon Age: Origins is the game to play. From 2009, it's aged, but it's basically Baldur's Gate 3 made by the original makers of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 when they didn't have to rights to make Baldur's Gate 3. BG3 directly lifted a TON of ideas straight out of DA:O. Trust me, that's the game to start with.

[@briancalanchie1527]

I absolutely agree. Deadfire is an incredible game and doesn't get enough attention. The soundtrack alone is worth it.

[@mattyb2944]

Deadfire is in the top 10 of all games in my book

[@mattyb2944]

Maybe even top 5

[@acangial1]

Agreed. Deadfire was awesome.

[@James-u1y]

Only thing I didn't like about Deadfire was the design of the MSQ, they kind of fluffed it for me.

[@SekiberiusWelkesh]

It's an alright game, I wouldn't in good conscience call it an incredible game, it had it's fair share of issues.

[@greetingsargonian]

original BG 1-2 are my all time favourite games and they are still good AS THEY ALWAYS HAD BEEN. also can recommend Neverwinter nights, Shadowrun returns, Pillars of eternity, Planescape Tornment, Divinity Original sin 1-2; Fallout 1-2 if you like that genre; Pathfinder: Kingmaker if you are up for the challenge and Underrail if you want to perfect your spirit through pain and suffering.

[@NeutralGloomBot]

Neverwinter Nights was my first CRPG and I fell in love with that game. I'll hard recommend that to anyone. Same for Planescape: Torment. That's still a game I can throw on even now in 2023 and still thoroughly enjoy.

[@kk111-1]

underrail is awesome, suffering depends on your build and patch, psionics was op quite a for long time

[@ristoravela652]

Shadowrun games (Returns, Dragonfall and Hong Kong) are too often overlooked, they're all good games. (Smaller in length than most others though, I think that has something to do with it.)

[@Mhantrax]

I pump up Pillars of Eternity 2. A terribly underrated game! It is one of my favorite CRPGs of all time, and I started back when...uhh, computers had monochrome screens and I built my first 386sx-25.

[@mitchellwilliam95]

12:10 it's too hard for the modern gamer to read dialogue in a story-based game. They aren't particularly bright these days.

[@bleepbloop5638]

Great video! 100% agree about Deadfire. It is truly an amazing game. According to Steam, I've sunk ~750 hrs into it between multiple playthroughs. And yes, Irenicus is the best video game villain...ever.

[@mahimaniac]

Modern CRPGs: Divinity Original Sin 2 Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder Honorable Mentions: Tyranny Disco Elysium Wasteland 3 Old School CRPGs Baldurs Gate 2 Placescape Torment Fallout 1 & 2 Arcanum: of Steamworks and Magick Obscura You're Welcome

[@viiixi25]

Thank you… this video’s hard to watch

[@Der_Hoschinator]

Baldur's Gate 1?

[@donaldcrankshaw1627]

It's worth pointing out that turn-based is an option for both Deadfire and both Pathfinder games. In Deadfire, you have to decide at the beginning of the game, but with the Pathfinder games, you can switch between them at will, even mid-combat.

[@Dan-sw8tg]

Great comment, didn't know this and will get them now

[@gabrielzardet3768]

Play Pathfinder Kingmaker and Wotr, then you'll have the real best CRPG ever experience :)

[@bradthomas1027]

I just got both🎉 real excited, I've always wanted to play d&d but never had friends into that. I'm almost fifty and hope they give me the experience I've been craving all these years because it really looks fun to me.

[@milansvancara]

Why do you like it more than for example deadfire? I really wanted to like those games ( i love DnD, pathfinder (pathfinder more but no one plays it), crpgs - and quality products in the genre are very scarce, therefor I started multiple runs many times played about half of both games several times but couldn't finish it) but it felt very... I don't know.. plain? I got really excited in the character creation, felt very robust and cool, but then in the game it felt very empty and barely anything seemed to be working good enough to be usable, so in the end there were far far less options in terms of spells/leveling/strategies/builds than in the deadfire which seemed less complex in the first look but everything there was working perfectly and ended up having a real impact:) Just for me Wotr in comparison to Deadfire seemed first-planned and cheap, but I'd like to hear your opinion on why you like pathfinder wotr more:)

[@milansvancara]

@@bradthomas1027 How did it end up, did you have fun?:) Nice to hear that you're finally able to scratch that adventurer's itching in your brain hehe:)

[@gabrielzardet3768]

It is first and foremost a mater of your own taste! I enjoyed deadfire as well, story was solid , well writen thus immersive as well as taking place in a somewhat unique setting! However yeah, if I had to chose I would go for wotr of even king maker. "I got really excited in the character creation, felt very robust and cool, but then in the game it felt very empty and barely anything seemed to be working good enough to be usable". I get that. In pathfinder making things work really comes down to how familiar you are with the rule set and knowing what the game is launching at you and when. To make it short, for most people a first/second play trhough might turn out as sloppy or even frustrating. Note that owlcat also makes little to no compromise when it comes to integrating certain mecanics, rules and classes that are by nature not "compatible" with the lore as it stands in the video game. But almost everything works more than fine as long as the game diffculty is set to core and bellow. The higher you go the more meta restricted the game will become and some archetypes will indeeed turn out totally useless. But the main things that make me side with pathfinder are the QOL features/ For instance, how easy it is to get the informations you need learn how things work, what happened, how a spell works etc etc. The UI is super clear and it really helps newer players as well as more seasoned players. I mean let be honest, we are playing a spread sheet calculator afterall, so it might as well be as clear, clean and sleak as possible ! I do love pillars of eternity as well but it is very hard to make sens of everything that is happening on screen especially since I played it before devs implemented turn based feature. So in the end for me the experience was rather frustrating... As I said, i really comes down to your own tastes afeterall ! And to be honest I should probably re run deadfire to come up with a more elaborated opinion ;).@@milansvancara

[@milansvancara]

@@gabrielzardet3768 Thanks:) I was asking because I'm pretty sure Pathfinder is another in the queue again after I get fed up with Baldurs gate (maybe one day lul), so I know how to enjoy the game more:D What is the most fun main you've played in the pathfinder?:) Yeah it really helps to play a few levels of turn based in deadfire to understand the exact mechanics, but it's too long to play turn based in my opinion:) However the most fun for me is creating AI combos and programming the behaviour of each party member:) you can give them the exact blueprint how to behave and it's very very cool... I love it. (but it's probably because I like programming and math hehe). Anyway try to utilize that:)

[@Azaketh]

Rare gem, Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer. An unsung crpg hero. Though you do need to narrow focus to that specific expansion.

[@fedenadur]

I was thinking about replaying Disco Elysium but now I'm tempted to give Deadfire a try. Great list!

[@ProBreakers]

I’ve been playing Rogue Trader. It’s lots of fun so far :)

[@ainmosni42]

Interesting how CRPGs remind you of old JRPGs. For me, I fell in love with CRPGs because the opposite reasons. I loved how cRPGs made you define your own role while the JRPGs put you very much on rails, both story-wise and character role wise. They are both great though, but I always found them the two extreme sides of the RPG genre, at least back then, these days so many things call itselves an RPG that the genre is very diluted.

[@Undependable3]

Ultimately I'm more interested in the story than the illusion of true choice, I make my choices and uniqueness through character builds, not so much their decisions.

[@georgemorley1029]

100%, there’s next to no agency in JRPGs.

[@yellowtheyellow]

There's a lot of variance in each. Dragon Quest 3 and the original Baldur's Gate have very similar levels of player agency.

[@chuchubag]

@10:19 - I think what also works in the Original Sin series (yes, even the first game was so close to being a masterpiece) is that all spells are on a cooldown system rather than spell slots as well as having Action Points rather than Action Types. This means you can let your imagination just run wild with all the possible ways you can approach combat. There's no resource to ration and save, and there're no long rests to consider. Hells, we even had Honor Mode encounters wherein we literally flood rooms with Rain, close all exits, then turn the water into poison via Contaminate. Enemies get damaged trying to reach us while we get healed because undead. Also, being less RNG reliant is a big plus. On a personal note, after 400+ hrs. on Baldur's Gate 3, the game hasn't given me a piece of idle NPC chatter (or any dialogue really) near as iconic and anger-inducing as Ada Laird's infamous "Keepin' it together, Bree?"

[@user-jt1js5mr3f]

“Smells worse over here than a dozen rotten eggs dropped in a vat of vinegar!”

[@chuchubag]

@@user-jt1js5mr3f THEN DON'T COME OVUH! 'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE BUYIN ANYTHIN'

[@karllong]

Great suggestions. I have to say the benefit of playing BG1 is that you get to import your char into BG2 and that was really cool, and I think some decisions are carried over in the import.

[@ЭдвинОдессейрон-ц3в]

nope. I was playing BG1-2 for half my childhood. Only level and magic book trasfer into BG2

[@brennanmcdonnell9343]

pillars of eternity does this as well

[@Zemorg]

Agree. The combat in Divinity: Original Sin 2 is just sublime. My fondness for BG3 almost solely came from the narrative, I'm highly unlikely to play a video game with D&D combat again in a hurry.

[@kolz4ever1980]

Ugh cod rejects trying out genres they don't belong in..

[@ThundraBoy666]

​@@kolz4ever1980he's literally praising DOS2, which is pretty much the same genre? And imo way better than BG3 in almost any way but graphics.

[@VikingLord2000]

I thought the answer was playing BG3 again.

[@Undependable3]

It's like a good book. Give it a year or two, come back when you forgot all the great stuff and relive it a bit.

[@VikingLord2000]

@@Undependable3 I do that with all my favorite games. It's nice being able to reexperience the magic, and get an extra flavor of discovery!

[@eduardo9a1]

​@@Undependable3when i like a book i read it 22 times in a row

[@ea3414]

Coming from Div 2 to Baldur's gate 3 - I kinda enjoyed Div more? idk it's not exactly objective but I just enjoyed the vibes more from the sass of Fane and the Red Prince to the narrator who's voice felt more mellow and comforting. I also really enjoyed the environmental combat which I wish they brought forward into BG3 - The way you approach combat is very different.

[@ChadeGB]

No love for Dragon Age: Origins? Ok sure, it's a bit more of CRPG Lite than these, but it's an excellent introduction to the genre for those wanting to get their feet wet, rather than just diving straight into the deep end.

[@CaseyWilkesmusic]

Wasteland 3 is a super underrated game! Love the grid and action pool system!

[@MarkWilson-ij9jd]

I absolutely love Wasteland 3.

[@CrunchyTire]

It was great but something about it makes me not want to replay it again

[@tripleaarcade]

Agreed

[@CaseyWilkesmusic]

@@CrunchyTire that’s fair. There’s so many games and life is short.

[@Deathisi]

Also worth also checking out 'Colony Ship: A Post-Earth Role Playing Game', it's harder than your average game, but still a ton of fun!

[@ParthyFrez]

Obviously DOS2 but it will take me years to complete BG3.

[@Undependable3]

Stop having a life!

[@vrostar]

Great video the part about JRPG’s did get me thinking about CRPG being so similar to them that’s great!

[@Danishdrums]

Great recommendations here. I know a huge amount of players wants an expansion or sequel to BG3 down the line, I do too. But in all honesty, I think the best choice for Larian is to remake BG1+BG2 in modern versions, with the same engine, character depth etc. They already have the template to build upon, and in 1 and 2 they already have the stories and characters fleshed out etc. To me, as great as BG3 is, I still find that the combined story of the two first games is the best RPG story ever put in a computer game. And as an oldschool fan og rpg´s, BG2 is my favorite game ever made.

[@jtfike]

They would need six character parties….

[@the13thfox46]

I think they are working on the next divinity original sin

[@Daervar]

I'd say Solasta. It has a very good implementation of the same ruleset. Worse presentation but much better combat. Give your money to that company, they might make a gem soon.

[@d.zombie5120]

I'm surprised it wasn't on the list. It is as you say with not as good presentation compared to BG3 but it is very fun.

[@tazman8487]

Solasta is a great game , one I actually managed to complete and I really loved the dragons in that game. DOS2 over took my favorite game of all time which was BG2. DOS 1 is also a great game, worth playing, surprised it was not mentioned..

[@gitrekt-gudson]

nah... Solasta isn't very good. It's more of a tabletop D&D combat simulator and less of an rpg/crpg.

[@superlambda4144]

I heard Solasta's story is just not good. It's just a D&D combat simulator.

[@yougurttrashcan]

Which game would you say have the best companions? For me, companion is always the most important part in any RPG, I love how in BG3 we got extended cutscenes with each companions, or how in FO4 your companions would comment on everything you do. (I have played BG3, PathFinders WotR, Disco Elysium and Dragon Age, all of them are my favourite for their character work)

[@Undependable3]

deadfire and wrath have some great companions

[@BlueTemplar15]

I would also recommend The Last Sovereign. Yes, it's in a very *special* setting (but is that really an issue for BG3 players ? Also you'll find tLS actually takes it very seriously), but it's just an amazing RPG (if you still don't believe me, read reviews by others), and the companion banter is probably where the writer's skill shines the most. She really managed an amazing feat here, considering how it's a mostly solo developer project, finally arriving to completion after a decade.

[@_shivers]

Disco Elysium would be my selection, pretty unique, modern, fully and excellently voiced, and one of the absolute greats. All these other suggestions are pretty good too though.

[@jaakko14]

Witcher 3 gameplay is great and you would do yourself a disservice by only watching a "movie" about it. Awesome open world filled with cool things to find and a decent enough combat system.

[@smartiechuco]

Witcher 3’s gameplay is awful, the combat is complete trash

[@arempy5836]

6:40 is when the recommendations actually start

[@klarityfisher8993]

I strongly disagree with the idea that you should play PoE 2 without first playing PoE 1. It’s the same character, it’s an extension of the same story and playing the first one is important. I also personally disagree and think PoE 1 is better as far as story and general game structure. I like the 3 act system and how it’s all paced. The boat travel and all that doesn’t really gel with me personally but that may be unpopular. The introduction of multiclassing and the upgrades in combat are huge improvements in poe2 for sure, but that’s basically the only way I’d put it above poe1. The story in the first game is one of my all time favorites

[@Undependable3]

I just can't stand the exposition bloat and long winded paragraphs. I don't deny that outside of this aspect PoE1 is also a great game. However I would also stress that outside of the opening 2 minutes of PoE2, it's really not necessary to play them in order.

[@IsomerSoma]

​@@Undependable3 I loved this about PoE1 as it is well written and i am a book reader, but if one isn't into reading books or doesn't want to read half a book while gaming i can see why this might be an issue.

[@superlambda4144]

@@Undependable3 Totally agreed. PoE1 has too much unnecessary text, which is why I gave up on that game. But I enjoyed dead fire so much! And at the same time I totally agree what you said in the video about Wasteland 3, it seems that everybody in Wasteland 3 are just maniacs, so I gave a negative review to that game LMAO

[@zarddin]

After you beat BG3 once you do it 11 more times because there are other classes and races and origin characters and Dark Urge. I was hooked in BG3 after first 2 hours.

[@NerdyOutdoorVeteran]

Yup, anyone who hasn’t played the Dark Urge hasn’t truly played BG3 imo. They are so intertwined to the main story that it makes act 3 an absolute blast.

[@Maurandjane]

Great vid ! Thanks for the recommandations ! I discovered Divinity 2 and I'm hooked Def gonna try the games you put in your video Thanks a lot !

[@navdeepsingh3508]

I hated..like absolutely hated turn based before this game.....now i Love It ... something has changed..and im glad 😂

[@ezgeeky]

Easy just play Baldur's Gate 3 again...in all seriousness, thank you for the video. It was really informative! I'll have to add a few of these to my backlog and hopefully stream them!

[@Mesterlock]

Pathfinder wotr, pillars of eternity 1+2 divinity original sib 1+2, tyranny , wastelands 3 are really good modern crpgs

[@Undependable3]

That's why I made a video!

[@ariadna_g_s_]

Thanks sooo much!!! I needed this video to detach a bit from BG3 XD. I'm even reading a novel about D&D for the first time, the Dark elf Drizzt, which I love and it reminds me a lot to BG3.

[@chrismiller3484]

Nice to see Pillars II: Deadfire getting the props it deserves!! Well done. Great list.

[@ulrichleukam1068]

I really liked the game on PS4, but the loading times were horendous and way too often

[@hungryguitarstudent]

@@ulrichleukam1068Totally agreed. There were way too many load screens and they absolutely did not need to get away from the main isometric view that often.

[@noahkaiss3230]

@undependable you should make more videos like this. Great video thanks for the effort you put into it.

[@Undependable3]

Thanks wish I had more to say lol

[@XenosFFBE]

How do you only have 422 subs!! This video was great!! Thanks for all the info and recommendations!! :D!!!

[@Undependable3]

Thanks that makes me feel happy!

[@Omnipotentmonkey]

technically you could consider Dragon Age Origins to be the original "Baldur's Gate 3" as it's the developer of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 going back to make another story-centric CRPG. technically you could say the same of Neverwinter Nights, but the aims there are so different (multiplayer,module focus) that I think DA:O fits the bill better. as someone whose PC isn't really up to the task for Baldur's Gate 3 and is waiting for the Xbox release (got a Series S on sale) that's what I've been doing to tide myself over, playing DA:O again for the first time in 10 years, and remembering why I love the game.

[@namelessking9068]

great list, but i would add kotor 1/2, dragon age origins and banner saga

[@mattmiller4917]

The obvious choice for those who don't know why Larian got this gig is Divinity Original Sin: II and also I. They both are great.

[@vladnar9]

Some others not mentioned would be neverwinter nights (there an updated enhanced edition which I own but have not played as of yet) and icewind dale were classics I played back in the days of Bg1/Bg2. Dragon age 1 is also more like these game but moved away from turn based after that. Fallout 1 & 2 were mentioned but there also a lesser known game called Fallout Tactics which I enjoyed back in the day as well. On the witcher side of things I thought Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales was good as well.

[@remydeveraux]

great video!! one thing I would recommend is getting a piece of software that will soften your "p" and "t" sounds.

[@Undependable3]

I appreciate any feed back, i'll see if I can look up if theres anything I can do in premiere pro with that.

[@trollingisasport]

I really wanted to like Disco Elysium more. I loved the roleplaying aspects and how it starts out but it's a bit too slow paced for me. I prefer to have the world engage me rather than having me go out of my way to engage with the world.

[@Undependable3]

I was maximally engaged until I started power gaming it, a bit mistake on my part. Need to lay back and just take in the experience.

[@cptpocket]

a few more: Solasta (amazing game, more emphasis on strategy), The dungeon of Naheulbeuk (very funny and fun), Shadowrun etc.

[@lalaninja006]

i really did not enjoy the divinity OS serries. played both quite a bit, messed around until i found a build i liked... and then i quit around what i think is act 2, not sure if it was the combat or the story, but it felt sluggish. here i am with almost 350 hours in BG 3 and my 4th playtrough, could still go for more. good that you praise pillars of eternity 2! it did not do well with sales from what i heard, and seeing there is no word about pillars of eternity 3, i suppose its true. i really enjoyed it, looking forward to avowed, but its not really what i wished for

[@simonholmes6473]

Yeah, I started playing Original Sin 2 after BG3 and I got to The Nameless Isle and the game suddenly became unbearably boring and I just can't force myself to go back to it. Even with act 3 and the endings being a bit of a mess, in need of a definitive edition, BG3 is still really good and stays fun the whole way through.

[@chrisathian5450]

same. play pillar of eternity and dos. dont like it.

[@TheSolarium18]

Mmh i was never able to finish divinity original sin 1 because of boringness and sluggishness and all the reasons you mentioned BUT I still think beside story, characters and presentation Divinity2 is better than baldurs gate 3. Hear me out haha I think the riddles, secrets and mainly the synergy of abilities, builds, effects and environment is soo much better. You can create sooo much better and fun builds because a lot of effects have so great synergy and instead of dnd it was created for video game fun time. For example turn a enemy into a chicken cast a spell on it that damages him for walking and the chicken will dumb run around and kill itself because it’s too dumb to realize whats going on. puck up glasscanon feat become an assasin and build around the idea to make many actions in one turn, teleporting around and become invisible at the end of your turn. cast shackle of pain and prevent death and hurt attack your own companion but he will remain one lifepoint while the enemy who gets the same damage dies or cast lifeswap etc etc

[@harrisonbannerman7412]

Just clicked this video and before I watch Wasteland 3 better be in this

[@TIMxisxHERE]

The fact that you did not include Dragon Age Origins makes me think you don't really understand what BG3 really is. It's not really just a CRPG, because none of the other games on your list actually have fully rendered scenes, visible expressions in dialogue, some are not even voiced... I don't think you can really compare those to BG3. DA:O comes MUCH closer to what BG3 is, even though BG3 sticks to the D&D format, and DA:O does not. But the atmosphere and immersion in dialogue is much more alike. I think the lack of those aforementioned elements is why a lot of these games did not see anything near the popularity BG3 did.

[@ThinkerT]

I understand what you're saying, but to say "I don't think you can really compare [the games on the list] to BG3" and that DA:O is closer is just silly. While yes, the older games don't have the voice acting and fully rendered scenes that BG3 does, the core top-down/isometric gameplay of BG3 (which is the majority of the experience) is MUCH closer to the CRPG games on the list than it is to DA:O.

[@TIMxisxHERE]

@@ThinkerT I don't actually think it is, I've played quite a few CRPGs but none of them really reminded me of BG3. I think to say, ''the older games dont have the voice acting and fully rendered scenes...'' is something you might be underestimating. Since in this game a lot of time is spent in dialogue and I think I spent WAY more memorable time talking than anything else. I know some people don't care about this, but to me its worlds apart whether a game has visible emotions in conversations, or if there is just a line that says ''X laughs at you".

[@DariyKaryakin]

You are great talker, was really enjoyable listen. Good luck with channel!

[@Undependable3]

Thanks! That makes me feel happy

[@RexCogitans]

Pathfinder wrath if the righteous is absolutely amazing. If the crusade turns you off, just make the ai do it. It has a deeper combat and character options system for people who love crunch. Still Disco Elysium is the best rpg in my opinion, it won't be for everyone, but I would not be surprised if it's my favorite game a decade from now.

[@lafunk1978]

All CRPGs need to be fully voice acted from now on, i cant go back to ready huge walls of text.

[@gorelash9056]

Yeah I played some of the old school games and I feel spoiled by the new game cinematics. I'd find it hard to go back

[@jalefar8247]

i like icewind dale and neverwinter nights 2

[@talus9663]

The things I would do for a Deadfire sequel with the budget of BG3. Please Microsoft let Obsidian cook.

[@lstelmach89]

Are there any coop crpg games like BG3 or Original Sin?

[@ShreddieMurphyy]

How can this dude have a video with 113k views, and a very good one at that, yet only 700 subscribers? Criminal. Subscribe now, all of you.

[@davidmills1520]

Enjoyed this video a lot! I don't know how fair it is to say that BG2 is a huge upgrade to BG1. Especially with the Enhanced Edition, which is mostly all you can buy these days, even on gog, It is all really just one game. It would be like saying Throne of Bhaal, the expansion to BG2, is a huge upgrade. It is all one game, at this point. Anybody should absolutely start with BG1, if only for the Tomes! Heh. Just the Str tome alone is massive, allowing any character to go to 19 str prior to BG2, which in 2nd edition was the 3-5th edition equivalent of going from around 14 str to around 24. Another way to put it would be it is like saying you should skip the first half of Act 1, if there was such an option, in BG3. I love your list; I'd probably add Dragon Age, but the combat in that is different enough that you might justifiably just think of it as a different genre. I think that the way Dragon Age pulls you (or at least me) in emotionally was very top-notch. And I actually GREATLY prefer the romance in Dragon Age. It was the only game where the romance aspect interested to me at all. BG3 romance mostly just detracts from the game and breaks immersion. Maybe it is the culture these days, but I found all of the women in BG3 quite unappealing as personalities, and also found it way too much for EVERY SINGLE MAN (other than Barcus) hitting on me very explicitly and strong. Halsin?! Really?! Sheesh. That sort of thing was handled fine in BG2. You had the Tiefling Bard, but you didn't have like Minsc, Anomen, Keldorn, and EVERYBODY trying to get into your man-pants incessantly. I 100% support people having whatever preferences they want, but no fantasy story or game has EVERYBODY in your party being bisexual and ready and asking to whip it out if you say the slightest non-mean thing to them.

[@takh6806]

Legendary video

[@gabrialcanada6764]

How dare you slander the chocobros 😂

[@BlackAge2k]

Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous is to 20% or 30% voice acted. You have to do a lot of reading. But still, my first crpg. And even if the character build system was way to complex, and I didnt want to spent an eternity on it, I just applied following rule: "If you hit something with a big fucking greatsword hard enough and often enough, it will eventually break". That rule goes for a lot of things.

[@oj1818]

Bg3 set the bar so high, that nothing, no other crpg comes even close

[@SuperCoreyBlack]

video starts at 07:00

[@HierophanticRose]

PoE:2 is awesome! I love love love Pirate fiction and fantasy, and this game is a beautiful mix of both. I loved being a Pirate Prince! You can cast magic from your guns! And Pathfinder WOTR is an incredible game!

[@mattstarkey1718]

Thanks for the video! From my experience playing Pathfinder WOTR, its mostly not voice acted, with the exception of some MSQ and side character content. For me, one of the larger drawbacks of the game.

[@adamgroszkiewicz814]

Planescape Torment, Pathfinder Wrath of the Rigtheous, Disco Elysium, Pillares of Eternity 2, & maybe Divinity 2: Original Sin (BG3 does everything this one does, but far better). Planescape requires a love of reading novella's, and rewards you richly if you are down...outstanding literature with a fun pixel game to keep it interesting. PoE WotR might be the best CRPG outside of Baldur's Gate 3 if it weren't for the pesky army management minigame (srsly stop with minigames dev's, just put those resources into the CRPG). PoE2 Is VERY good...I don't have any negative critique's of it...choices matter, you get a pirate ship, your companions are well written, beautiful graphics bring to mind hand drawn art. Div:OS2 suffers only in comparison to BG3...you can see the design direction that they later perfected in BG3.

[@Au_Ra804]

I can recommand Pillars of Eternity. It's one of my favorite games and the very first game I ever played, where I could actually perfectly play my OC from beginning to end. In PoE I could literally play with my quest giver, become a double agent, play both sides against each other, get double the reward and when both sides confronted each other I was like "I have nothing to do with this, bye" I have never had so much fun during a side quest as in that situation xD They also don't have that annoying approval system. I HATE approval systems. Makes playing a neutral character while also getting friendly with certain characters impossible. (You have no idea how careful I had to be during Astarions romance as good dark urge, jeezes) Instead, in PoE your companions are more like "y'know we've been on this journey for almost a year now and we almost died several times and saved each others lives more times than I can count so whatever weird urges you have I'll still be on your side" That was SUCH a good change from the robotic forced character I always have to play so that my companions don't just leave me, lol. Also makes much more sense. But PoE also didn't have romance so maybe that made it easier. Story and characters were amazing and PoE has the absolut best bard gameplay I've ever seen. I'm not a fan of PoE II: Deadfire tho. Haven't finished it either. Was full of bugs that never got fixed, the story progression was boring, the focus completely off, they added approval system and got me AC Black Flag PTSD with all the pirate/ship management. The game felt more like a pirate game than anything else. The change to the combat system was also very weird and unnecessary.

[@TheRubsi]

wrath of the righteous is the best crpg ever made in my opinion. It´s also clearly better than kingmaker, it is not even close. and yes I think it is better than baldurs gate 3 in most aspects. obviously not when it comes to the cinematic production value. pillars of eternity 2 is awesome but I really see no reason to skip PoE 1. just play it first. disco elysium was an instant refund for me, i dont like point and click adventures. to this day i am so confused that people call it an rpg. other than that i dont really have any criticism, great suggestions 🙂

[@vitaminc2161]

Owlcat games are tiring and simply all about power creep

[@TheRubsi]

@@vitaminc2161 I have played BG3 four one hundred and ten hours so far and definitely I am getting tired at the moment. I did not even finish the shadow land area and at this point it started to feel like work instead of an enjoyable game. Can you explain what you mean by power creep

[@adrenalin2957]

Top-5 CRPGs of all time: 1. Planescape: torment 2. Fallout 2 3. Fallout 4. Arcanum 5. Baldurs gate 2

[@bandit6272]

Out of respect for the socialist beliefs of the Disco Elysium creators, I have declined to pay for it, as that would make them complicit in the capitalist system they explicitly disdain. I encourage everyone else to similarly respect their beliefs, and not pay for their game.

[@Undependable3]

best comment ever

[@TommygunTorres]

Hear hear socialism all the way, but buy our consumer product first and then buy the directors cut and thennnn stick it to the man after.

[@thankyoujames7257]

me when i have no clue what socialism is.

[@TommygunTorres]

@@thankyoujames7257 good don’t fall for it

[@Yahoooo.1]

@@thankyoujames7257 Good, it sucks ass

[@XHobbiesPrime]

Planescape: Torment is probably the best plot writing I have ever seen in a game up there with BG3. Arcanum was great as well. I would love to see both remade.

[@mcna7167]

Thank you for bringing up Pillars of Eternity 2. I started it 2 years ago, but never finished it. I restarted it today, after watching your video, and it is fantastic. I personally like real-time combat with pause in Pillars of Eternity 2 better than turn based combat in games like Baulder's Gate 3 because it is much faster paced. When Baulder's Gate 3 goes on sale at some point I will buy it. This is a very helpful video.

[@Undependable3]

If my video raises the credibility of the awesomeness of Deadfire by 1% in the eyes of the world then my job is done!

[@nightcedargarden]

Awesome thing about Baldurs gate 3 is you can play again since there are so many other possibilities and choices in that game. I also recommend playing Baldurs gate 1 and 2 along with Ice wind dale 1 and 2. Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2, Torment, omg list goes on.

[@PlorkStar]

Loved bg3 honestly don’t know if much will ever come close but it’s good good that there are games that are good in their own way at least but damn I hope to get more like this in the future complete perfected games

[@GodlsAFK]

I restarted baldurs gate 7 times after reaching act 3. Just wanted to understand the game perfectly and which direction i wanted to go with it as far as choices and allies. So if say for most first timers introduced to this genre for the first time its arguably the best start you could have seeing as its overwhelming at first . Slowww , detailed.

[@johnathanrhoades7751]

JRPG’s are not dead. Try Octopath Traveler 2 or Sea of Stars from recent years. But yeah, BG3 is good and a lot of these others are good too! Dragon Age Origins was the last cRPG before this that really got me into it.

[@TheCrimsonOne508]

Dragon Age Origins not being on this list is a crime

[@BlackShankss]

Absolute gem of a video. Great work

[@Bchvji647]

Pillars of Eternity 2 also has turn based combat. You choose which combat system you'd like to use when starting a game.

[@khamazon8893]

My biggest issue after just recently finishing my first run of div 2 is that tactician always felt either too hard or too easy. The game never found that sweet spot of just challenging enough. Fort joy was a place where every move I made needed to be carefully thought through whereas towards the half way point of the second arc I was stomping through practically every fight in 2-3 rounds without any pre-fight buffing or pre-fight positioning.

[@JuliusKingsleyXIII]

Great video, very informative and entertaining. Going to see what else you have to listen to.

[@PillowOfEvil]

The moment I finished BG3, I couldn't stop thinking about how I want to try playign a different character in a different style and what stuff I might have missed in the detailed 150+ h playthrough. And oh how much I have missed. Even after reaching the end on the second playthrough, I am back at square 1.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I actually played Deadfire in its built-in turn-based mode, and it's also fantastic! It's as good as the one in Original Sin 2. It doesn't feel like an afterthought but something planned for from day 1. I really recommend trying it out that way too.

[@bi_smth]

Shadowrun popping in in the middle of the vid out of no where like what haha strongly recommend it tho sunce it's what got me into CRPGs in the first place. Cool hacking system.

[@parshathy6317]

One big thing to note is that larian games let you play coop with friends which is very important.

[@Undependable3]

what are these friends things, I keep hearing people talk about them, don't know what they are.

[@BlueRadium]

There's only 2 time-based quests in the entire game inpacted long rests/with fail states from sleeping. Blowing up a big rock underground in act 1, newspaper in act 3, to describe broadly avoid spoilers. Look out for those 2 things, and besides that long rest as much as you want.