What should you play after Baldur's Gate 3? The best CRPGs ever.

You just beat Baldurs Gate 3, congratulations!-BUT now you are lost! I have great news for you, there has been a CRPG "Renaissance" happening in the last 5 years and there are many amazing games just like Baldur's Gate 3 you can play! Don't be afraid to embrace quality single player games that treat your time and money with respect. Say no to the corporation's! Close your wallet! Let them know that the bar has been raised!
To those who don't want to deal with 40 minutes to the ranting, wandering malaise of my thoughts and comments:
1. Divinity Original Sin 2 (2017)
2. Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire (and expansions) (2018)
3. Pathfinder: Kingmaker & Wrath of the Righteous (2018 & 2021)
4. Tyranny (2016)
5. Disco Elysium (2019)
6. Wasteland 3 (2020)
7. Baulders Gate 2 (2000)
8. Planescape: Torment (1999)
9. Fallout 1 & 2 (1997 & 1998)
10. Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura (2001)
Special bonus Kino Games: FFXIV & Witcher 3 (and expansions)
It's interesting to see basically 15 years of nothing in the CRPG market (nothing amazingly good anyway) and then a huge spurt in the last 5-7 years of just endless Kino.

[@pcrizz]

You should play Baldur's Gate 3 after you play Baldur's Gate 3.

[@philcosby7058]

I was literally thinking of doing a second play though after finishing it but I think I’ll wait a couple months

[@Slade111984]

Came here to say exactly this

[@msorobia]

Same thing I thought too 😂

[@JoyTuub]

This is the way.

[@ThundraBoy666]

@@philcosby7058 I didn't, the evil ending was so bad it put me off the game for some time (which is pretty much the same whatever you do throughout your run, even Druge barely has any difference). But I jumped right into another Pathfinder playthrough after the credits rolled, was an epic adventure. BG3 will definitely get another shot once they release their definitive edition, I was enjoying the game very much until Act 3.

[@psour33]

I can't stop playing BG3, I'm falling inside BG3, I'm now part of BG3, I'm doomed and lost for the world.

[@wounderwillow9532]

Ive Been playing Nonstop too

[@danathorGR]

Keep in mind, while Tyranny is small in duration, your choices alter the game events to such a great degree that multiple playthroughs are needed to have the full experience.

[@brandonerwin7031]

After playing PoE1+2, I tried Tyranny and quit in the first five minutes. Good luck to anyone that tries to play it.

[@ppgod6989]

​@@brandonerwin7031why'd you quit?

[@themediumcheese]

​@ppgod6989 probably got bored at the map part

[@leonard1889]

That's kinda the point in CRPGs isn't it ?

[@TIMxisxHERE]

I quitted within 30 minutes.

[@matheoeo]

Great list. I agree. However „Dragon Age Origins“ absolutely needs to be on this. It‘s like BG3 bit done 20 years ago. It holds up fantasticly for today.

[@littleoldmanboy]

Absolutely

[@AaSs-ln9mm]

​@@littleoldmanboynot really. Most things is mediocre in this game.

[@CellVoid]

@@AaSs-ln9mm in what way is any of DAO mediocre? It's got fantastic acting and animations, a great overarching story with dozens of wonderful story arcs, as well as hundreds of smaller quests with quality storytelling built into them; it's got hours of interesting, well-developed lore to explore through these quests and tasks; it has multiple origin stories as well as important world-changing decisions throughout the game, encouraging multiple playthroughs; it has competent and in-depth character building systems, a rich and engaging combat system, including the ability to automate your party's actions so you can just focus on your PC if that's your jam; it has great enemy designs, encounter designs, boss designs, and plenty of secret areas/encounters; it has variety in your dialogue options, so you can choose to truly roleplay the character you want to be... The list goes on. I'd argue it still remains a bar to measure any newer CRPG experiences against.

[@k--music]

For me it was KOTOR and Dragon Age Origins that made me fall in love with the genre and BG3 made me want to find the rest. Will definitely have to get into all of these too

[@Undependable3]

dont sleep on Deadfire!

[@masterjavix]

Kotor 1 and 2 are a little outdated tbh. Dont get me wrong, kotor 2 specially is super fun and the choice to be a sith or a jedi is great! But if the 2000 more slow type of games are not your thing you might find them boring

[@k--music]

@@masterjavix yeah they’re some of my favorites but you do feel the age. Would be cool to see Larian take on a kotor sequel the same way they took on and modernized baldur’s gate, though i doubt they would want to

[@FSVR54]

stop with the old IPs. Make new IPs. But I just hate star wars so would rather not see them waste their time @@k--music

[@k--music]

@@FSVR54 not many IPs older than dungeons and dragons lol

[@certifiedmadman7818]

the world created in the Pillars of Eternity series is just too good, the Godlike race, the gods and religions, the wheel and the inbetween are just tooo interesting, I prefer PoE 1 main story, 2nd one had better side stories and better everything else doe, the side quests in the Gutter area were so immersive and well written! underrated series, hoping Avowed lives up to them.

[@TheGreatestJediOfAllTime]

Avowed is gonna suck from what I can gather. I hope im wrong cuz I LOVE pillars. I hope they scrap avowed and work on Pillars 3 with the same production quality Baldurs Gate got

[@elliottblair31]

@@TheGreatestJediOfAllTimeliterally no evidence it will be bad. Go on and retire from gaming.

[@red2977]

If someone is willing to give old games a try I would definitely recommend Dragon's Age Origins. One of my all time favorite games. Witcher 3 is a masterpiece. Yes the story is excellent but it is also enjoyable to play and the sidequests are interesting stories in their own right. Disco Elysium I agree is also great, although a different experience for sure.

[@ColorsFadeGaming]

DAO is the best. The engine doesn't hold up well today, but man, such a great game.

[@FlyinTools]

@@ColorsFadeGamingabsolutely. I don’t throw the word “masterpiece” around lightly but DAO is a masterpiece.

[@Dyomaeth]

I found DA:O really enjoyable too, for its time, but it has real issues with difficulty scaling. The default experience is so easy it makes the game a total cakewalk in a way that you have to fall asleep on your keyboard to die. At the same time Nightmare difficulty is straight up broken and makes the game tedious. Enemies get absolutely nonsensical elemental resistances and this with friendly fire just makes you in for a slog. This didn't get much better with Inquisition which is "damage sponges - the game".

[@MetalGearyaTV]

Witcher 3 is atrocious as a game, and nothing like a CRPG.

[@Skumtomten1]

@@Dyomaeth Nightmare isn't that hard really, not even close to broken. Normal difficulty should be the sweetspot for most new players, but now I can beat Nightmare with ease. So I use mods to make the game even harder. The only problem with the difficulty is that the game gets progressively easier the higher your level becomes. Everyone gets more powerful, but you make much more use of that power compared to the AI, so it ends up being easier at higher levels. Haven't found a mod that fixes this, but at least it makes you feel more powerful though.

[@Aleera616]

I loved Dragon Age Origins back in the day and Baldurs Gate 3 is the first game that made me feel the same sense of awe and wonder as DAO. It's a shame that there is no remaster of DAO but if you don't mind dated mechanics and optics, it's still a fantastic game. The unique backstories for different class/race combos spoiled me lol, I am still waiting for another game to do this.

[@Mike_TNVol4Life]

It really does feel like a fully realized, modern day Dragon Age Origins

[@vladdracula8103]

@@Mike_TNVol4Life I would think this same thought all the time while I played BG3.

[@jbfwinning]

Arcanum definitely has voice acting in many places! Not only that, but it has one of the greatest build systems of any RPG. There are some deeply exciting options at the end of all of the tech and magic trees, and you have to choose! You can dabble in the surface of both, but if you want the juicy stuff, you have to sacrifice tech or magic, and then specialize within them even further. It's a delight to have the option to be OP by so many different methods. Highly recommend.

[@simonholmes6473]

Arcarnum was amazing. Way ahead of its time. I remember beating a really hard dungeon full of rock things that are bad for your weapons, just with Charisma as there was a high charisma option to get someone to do it for you and you just wait outside for them to come back with the quest item 🙂

[@Allison_Hart]

Weirdly enough, maybe Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines......but I say that because I'm obsessed with Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines lmaoooo

[@Wolfdorf]

Wow I love that game, waiting for 2 now

[@ChadeGB]

No love for Dragon Age: Origins? Ok sure, it's a bit more of CRPG Lite than these, but it's an excellent introduction to the genre for those wanting to get their feet wet, rather than just diving straight into the deep end.

[@nazgulsenpai]

Glad I found this video. High quality for such a small channel. I look forward to seeing it grow!

[@Undependable3]

Thank you! that makes me feel really happy!

[@dave-r]

Thanks for this list. I'm 49 and have never played these type games. BG3 was a first for me.

[@Undependable3]

That's what I wanted to hear! Every game on this list is worthwhile, don't sleep on Deadfire!

[@brentbentKRFP]

Lucky you! There's so many great games to explore, you should check out Mortismal Gaming on YT. He's a CRPG fanatic, he 100% a game before reviewing it and his reviews are no nonsense, here's the facts, here's my experience and here's what I thought about it all along with a does it work on the Steam Deck. Here's one where he rates all 40 games he ha reviewed at that time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/onyoXqKZjquUb9U It's 30 minutes long and covers 40 games so it's a great quick intro to lots of games and all of them have full reviews from him you can check out if the game sounds interesting to you. Mortismal is a unique person in the review world and gives honest reviews. I wouldn't do this for the vast majority of the creators I watch but he's a superb resource for somebody new to CRPGs and is looking for some more. Enjoy all the adventures!

[@greetingsargonian]

original BG 1-2 are my all time favourite games and they are still good AS THEY ALWAYS HAD BEEN. also can recommend Neverwinter nights, Shadowrun returns, Pillars of eternity, Planescape Tornment, Divinity Original sin 1-2; Fallout 1-2 if you like that genre; Pathfinder: Kingmaker if you are up for the challenge and Underrail if you want to perfect your spirit through pain and suffering.

[@NeutralGloomBot]

Neverwinter Nights was my first CRPG and I fell in love with that game. I'll hard recommend that to anyone. Same for Planescape: Torment. That's still a game I can throw on even now in 2023 and still thoroughly enjoy.

[@kuzmakirukhantsev5787]

underrail is awesome, suffering depends on your build and patch, psionics was op quite a for long time

[@karllong]

Great suggestions. I have to say the benefit of playing BG1 is that you get to import your char into BG2 and that was really cool, and I think some decisions are carried over in the import.

[@user-be9ih8yo6p]

nope. I was playing BG1-2 for half my childhood. Only level and magic book trasfer into BG2

[@brennanmcdonnell9343]

pillars of eternity does this as well

[@Maurandjane]

Great vid ! Thanks for the recommandations ! I discovered Divinity 2 and I'm hooked Def gonna try the games you put in your video Thanks a lot !

[@thetechtron2812]

To all who loved storytelling and the brutal world settings, please go and play Pathfinder Kingmaker and Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous. You will thank yourself. The story alone contains atleast 100 hours and after you end the game, surprisingly you instantly want to replay the game with other paths and choices.

[@dietrichrache1975]

Great video, very informative and entertaining. Going to see what else you have to listen to.

[@yougurttrashcan]

Which game would you say have the best companions? For me, companion is always the most important part in any RPG, I love how in BG3 we got extended cutscenes with each companions, or how in FO4 your companions would comment on everything you do. (I have played BG3, PathFinders WotR, Disco Elysium and Dragon Age, all of them are my favourite for their character work)

[@Undependable3]

deadfire and wrath have some great companions

[@donaldcrankshaw1627]

It's worth pointing out that turn-based is an option for both Deadfire and both Pathfinder games. In Deadfire, you have to decide at the beginning of the game, but with the Pathfinder games, you can switch between them at will, even mid-combat.

[@chuchubag]

@10:19 - I think what also works in the Original Sin series (yes, even the first game was so close to being a masterpiece) is that all spells are on a cooldown system rather than spell slots as well as having Action Points rather than Action Types. This means you can let your imagination just run wild with all the possible ways you can approach combat. There's no resource to ration and save, and there're no long rests to consider. Hells, we even had Honor Mode encounters wherein we literally flood rooms with Rain, close all exits, then turn the water into poison via Contaminate. Enemies get damaged trying to reach us while we get healed because undead. Also, being less RNG reliant is a big plus. On a personal note, after 400+ hrs. on Baldur's Gate 3, the game hasn't given me a piece of idle NPC chatter (or any dialogue really) near as iconic and anger-inducing as Ada Laird's infamous "Keepin' it together, Bree?"

[@user-jt1js5mr3f]

“Smells worse over here than a dozen rotten eggs dropped in a vat of vinegar!”

[@chuchubag]

@@user-jt1js5mr3f THEN DON'T COME OVUH! 'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE BUYIN ANYTHIN'

[@fedenadur]

I was thinking about replaying Disco Elysium but now I'm tempted to give Deadfire a try. Great list!

[@Azaketh]

Rare gem, Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer. An unsung crpg hero. Though you do need to narrow focus to that specific expansion.

[@vrostar]

Great video the part about JRPG’s did get me thinking about CRPG being so similar to them that’s great!

[@briancalanchie1527]

I absolutely agree. Deadfire is an incredible game and doesn't get enough attention. The soundtrack alone is worth it.

[@ectogamut]

After 197 hours of BG3 I need to play a totally different genre before I hop back into another CRPG

[@Undependable3]

FFXIV!

[@ectogamut]

@@Undependable3 just started playing Tales of Arise, so... close enough ;)

[@ChristianDeLarge]

I felt this comment. I am generally an RPG guy, but after completing my first run of BG3, I needed a completely different flavor. So now I’m playing through Metro Exodus, on my ps5. Which is a FPS. So yeah. I totally get needing a palate cleanse.

[@Mibit911]

It should be baldursgate 1 and 2

[@vladnar9]

Some others not mentioned would be neverwinter nights (there an updated enhanced edition which I own but have not played as of yet) and icewind dale were classics I played back in the days of Bg1/Bg2. Dragon age 1 is also more like these game but moved away from turn based after that. Fallout 1 & 2 were mentioned but there also a lesser known game called Fallout Tactics which I enjoyed back in the day as well. On the witcher side of things I thought Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales was good as well.

[@bleepbloop5638]

Great video! 100% agree about Deadfire. It is truly an amazing game. According to Steam, I've sunk ~750 hrs into it between multiple playthroughs. And yes, Irenicus is the best video game villain...ever.

[@Deathisi]

Also worth also checking out 'Colony Ship: A Post-Earth Role Playing Game', it's harder than your average game, but still a ton of fun!

[@Danishdrums]

Great recommendations here. I know a huge amount of players wants an expansion or sequel to BG3 down the line, I do too. But in all honesty, I think the best choice for Larian is to remake BG1+BG2 in modern versions, with the same engine, character depth etc. They already have the template to build upon, and in 1 and 2 they already have the stories and characters fleshed out etc. To me, as great as BG3 is, I still find that the combined story of the two first games is the best RPG story ever put in a computer game. And as an oldschool fan og rpg´s, BG2 is my favorite game ever made.

[@jtfike]

They would need six character parties….

[@datafogao]

Great list! I dont agree too much on the square enix rant but the list is on point! Loved playing all of these, i still need to finish kingmaker and deadfire(the last one my save corrupted)

[@DariyKaryakin]

You are great talker, was really enjoyable listen. Good luck with channel!

[@Undependable3]

Thanks! That makes me feel happy

[@XenosFFBE]

How do you only have 422 subs!! This video was great!! Thanks for all the info and recommendations!! :D!!!

[@Undependable3]

Thanks that makes me feel happy!

[@VikingLord2000]

I thought the answer was playing BG3 again.

[@Undependable3]

It's like a good book. Give it a year or two, come back when you forgot all the great stuff and relive it a bit.

[@VikingLord2000]

@@Undependable3 I do that with all my favorite games. It's nice being able to reexperience the magic, and get an extra flavor of discovery!

[@eduardo9a1]

​@@Undependable3when i like a book i read it 22 times in a row

[@CaseyWilkesmusic]

Wasteland 3 is a super underrated game! Love the grid and action pool system!

[@MarkWilson-ij9jd]

I absolutely love Wasteland 3.

[@CrunchyTire]

It was great but something about it makes me not want to replay it again

[@shittybuttrue2819]

Nice I'll check these out when I get done with BG3. I'm on second playthrough, this time on tactician and prolly have one more playthrough in me but we'll see.

[@Mhantrax]

I pump up Pillars of Eternity 2. A terribly underrated game! It is one of my favorite CRPGs of all time, and I started back when...uhh, computers had monochrome screens and I built my first 386sx-25.

[@noahkaiss3230]

@undependable you should make more videos like this. Great video thanks for the effort you put into it.

[@Undependable3]

Thanks wish I had more to say lol

[@gabrielzardet3768]

Play Pathfinder Kingmaker and Wotr, then you'll have the real best CRPG ever experience :)

[@bradthomas1027]

I just got both🎉 real excited, I've always wanted to play d&d but never had friends into that. I'm almost fifty and hope they give me the experience I've been craving all these years because it really looks fun to me.

[@milansvancara]

Why do you like it more than for example deadfire? I really wanted to like those games ( i love DnD, pathfinder (pathfinder more but no one plays it), crpgs - and quality products in the genre are very scarce, therefor I started multiple runs many times played about half of both games several times but couldn't finish it) but it felt very... I don't know.. plain? I got really excited in the character creation, felt very robust and cool, but then in the game it felt very empty and barely anything seemed to be working good enough to be usable, so in the end there were far far less options in terms of spells/leveling/strategies/builds than in the deadfire which seemed less complex in the first look but everything there was working perfectly and ended up having a real impact:) Just for me Wotr in comparison to Deadfire seemed first-planned and cheap, but I'd like to hear your opinion on why you like pathfinder wotr more:)

[@milansvancara]

@@bradthomas1027 How did it end up, did you have fun?:) Nice to hear that you're finally able to scratch that adventurer's itching in your brain hehe:)

[@gabrielzardet3768]

It is first and foremost a mater of your own taste! I enjoyed deadfire as well, story was solid , well writen thus immersive as well as taking place in a somewhat unique setting! However yeah, if I had to chose I would go for wotr of even king maker. "I got really excited in the character creation, felt very robust and cool, but then in the game it felt very empty and barely anything seemed to be working good enough to be usable". I get that. In pathfinder making things work really comes down to how familiar you are with the rule set and knowing what the game is launching at you and when. To make it short, for most people a first/second play trhough might turn out as sloppy or even frustrating. Note that owlcat also makes little to no compromise when it comes to integrating certain mecanics, rules and classes that are by nature not "compatible" with the lore as it stands in the video game. But almost everything works more than fine as long as the game diffculty is set to core and bellow. The higher you go the more meta restricted the game will become and some archetypes will indeeed turn out totally useless. But the main things that make me side with pathfinder are the QOL features/ For instance, how easy it is to get the informations you need learn how things work, what happened, how a spell works etc etc. The UI is super clear and it really helps newer players as well as more seasoned players. I mean let be honest, we are playing a spread sheet calculator afterall, so it might as well be as clear, clean and sleak as possible ! I do love pillars of eternity as well but it is very hard to make sens of everything that is happening on screen especially since I played it before devs implemented turn based feature. So in the end for me the experience was rather frustrating... As I said, i really comes down to your own tastes afeterall ! And to be honest I should probably re run deadfire to come up with a more elaborated opinion ;).@@milansvancara

[@milansvancara]

@@gabrielzardet3768 Thanks:) I was asking because I'm pretty sure Pathfinder is another in the queue again after I get fed up with Baldurs gate (maybe one day lul), so I know how to enjoy the game more:D What is the most fun main you've played in the pathfinder?:) Yeah it really helps to play a few levels of turn based in deadfire to understand the exact mechanics, but it's too long to play turn based in my opinion:) However the most fun for me is creating AI combos and programming the behaviour of each party member:) you can give them the exact blueprint how to behave and it's very very cool... I love it. (but it's probably because I like programming and math hehe). Anyway try to utilize that:)

[@PlorkStar]

Loved bg3 honestly don’t know if much will ever come close but it’s good good that there are games that are good in their own way at least but damn I hope to get more like this in the future complete perfected games

Interesting how CRPGs remind you of old JRPGs. For me, I fell in love with CRPGs because the opposite reasons. I loved how cRPGs made you define your own role while the JRPGs put you very much on rails, both story-wise and character role wise. They are both great though, but I always found them the two extreme sides of the RPG genre, at least back then, these days so many things call itselves an RPG that the genre is very diluted.

[@Undependable3]

Ultimately I'm more interested in the story than the illusion of true choice, I make my choices and uniqueness through character builds, not so much their decisions.

[@georgemorley1029]

100%, there’s next to no agency in JRPGs.

[@yellowtheyellow]

There's a lot of variance in each. Dragon Quest 3 and the original Baldur's Gate have very similar levels of player agency.

[@markuku2991]

Great list. Im gonna try deadfire next. But im putting Dragon Age origins right beside BG3, DOS2, and Pathfinder WoR.

[@carloruiz9861]

Good content sir! more power!

[@Au_Ra804]

I can recommand Pillars of Eternity. It's one of my favorite games and the very first game I ever played, where I could actually perfectly play my OC from beginning to end. In PoE I could literally play with my quest giver, become a double agent, play both sides against each other, get double the reward and when both sides confronted each other I was like "I have nothing to do with this, bye" I have never had so much fun during a side quest as in that situation xD They also don't have that annoying approval system. I HATE approval systems. Makes playing a neutral character while also getting friendly with certain characters impossible. (You have no idea how careful I had to be during Astarions romance as good dark urge, jeezes) Instead, in PoE your companions are more like "y'know we've been on this journey for almost a year now and we almost died several times and saved each others lives more times than I can count so whatever weird urges you have I'll still be on your side" That was SUCH a good change from the robotic forced character I always have to play so that my companions don't just leave me, lol. Also makes much more sense. But PoE also didn't have romance so maybe that made it easier. Story and characters were amazing and PoE has the absolut best bard gameplay I've ever seen. I'm not a fan of PoE II: Deadfire tho. Haven't finished it either. Was full of bugs that never got fixed, the story progression was boring, the focus completely off, they added approval system and got me AC Black Flag PTSD with all the pirate/ship management. The game felt more like a pirate game than anything else. The change to the combat system was also very weird and unnecessary.

[@jamiedavies3810]

Thanks for this list! You've got a sub from me!

[@gerbie42]

I really enjoyed BG3, I really enjoyed DoS II. Pillars of Eternity, I started the first game and even played around 40 hours, but then I just gave up on it and stopped. I think I mainly played it because people said it was good and I had nothing better to play at the time, but I just didn't enjoy it that much, I couldn't get into the story, mainly lack of voice acting I think, the combat system was a bit weird to me, lot of hit or miss kinda things, it felt more like a chore at times to do things.. either way, my experience with it wouldn't put PoE anywhere near BG3 or DoS II. Is PoE2 really that much better that I should check it out, or is its gameplay still quite similar to 1?

[@KungKokkos]

Tried to get through Pathfinder: WoTR but already at Drezen its just getting too annoying to deal with buffing etc, I dont know how often to use the buffs becuase I dont know how many times I will need to rest, I just cba buffs that last different amounts of times like int*min while the next is half that and the one after that lasts 3 rounds.

[@ShreddieMurphyy]

How can this dude have a video with 113k views, and a very good one at that, yet only 700 subscribers? Criminal. Subscribe now, all of you.

[@Sooch900]

Wow, what an amazing video! This came at a perfect time, I just finished BG3 (will play several times more) but was curious about some other awesome CRPGs out there. Your knowledge on the subject is pretty remarkable! A couple of video recommendations for you if I could? Would love to hear your take on the future of CRPGs now that BG3 is such a success. Where do you see the genre going? Any predictions? What do you think Larians next game will look like? What would be your dream CRPG? Thanks for your time!

[@Undependable3]

TBH, it's probably going to go to shit. Now that BG3 has been a huge success no doubt huge gaming studios beholden to share holders will be meeting with psychologists to discuss how they can make a game with BG3 but "with microtransactions and a battlepass" If you want my honest opinion, the future is indy. I don't pay that much attention anymore to upcoming games unless they look very exciting to me, when I found BG2 it made me feel that old school jrpg feeling so I looked around for more just like it.

[@5hrimp_Nachos]

@@Undependable3indie games are definitely paving the new road. Good indie devs give a shit because they’re not just developers they’re also gamers.

[@Daervar]

I'd say Solasta. It has a very good implementation of the same ruleset. Worse presentation but much better combat. Give your money to that company, they might make a gem soon.

[@d.zombie5120]

I'm surprised it wasn't on the list. It is as you say with not as good presentation compared to BG3 but it is very fun.

[@tazman8487]

Solasta is a great game , one I actually managed to complete and I really loved the dragons in that game. DOS2 over took my favorite game of all time which was BG2. DOS 1 is also a great game, worth playing, surprised it was not mentioned..

[@gitrekt-gudson]

nah... Solasta isn't very good. It's more of a tabletop D&D combat simulator and less of an rpg/crpg.

[@klarityfisher8993]

I strongly disagree with the idea that you should play PoE 2 without first playing PoE 1. It’s the same character, it’s an extension of the same story and playing the first one is important. I also personally disagree and think PoE 1 is better as far as story and general game structure. I like the 3 act system and how it’s all paced. The boat travel and all that doesn’t really gel with me personally but that may be unpopular. The introduction of multiclassing and the upgrades in combat are huge improvements in poe2 for sure, but that’s basically the only way I’d put it above poe1. The story in the first game is one of my all time favorites

[@Undependable3]

I just can't stand the exposition bloat and long winded paragraphs. I don't deny that outside of this aspect PoE1 is also a great game. However I would also stress that outside of the opening 2 minutes of PoE2, it's really not necessary to play them in order.

[@IsomerSoma]

​@@Undependable3 I loved this about PoE1 as it is well written and i am a book reader, but if one isn't into reading books or doesn't want to read half a book while gaming i can see why this might be an issue.

[@ea3414]

Coming from Div 2 to Baldur's gate 3 - I kinda enjoyed Div more? idk it's not exactly objective but I just enjoyed the vibes more from the sass of Fane and the Red Prince to the narrator who's voice felt more mellow and comforting. I also really enjoyed the environmental combat which I wish they brought forward into BG3 - The way you approach combat is very different.

[@lstelmach89]

Are there any coop crpg games like BG3 or Original Sin?

[@victorferri4288]

@undependable no mention of kotor? even though its stuck being starwars its a must for me.

[@Undependable3]

Never played it, can't put it on my personal list. I have heard good things.

[@PillowOfEvil]

The moment I finished BG3, I couldn't stop thinking about how I want to try playign a different character in a different style and what stuff I might have missed in the detailed 150+ h playthrough. And oh how much I have missed. Even after reaching the end on the second playthrough, I am back at square 1.

[@zarddin9561]

After you beat BG3 once you do it 11 more times because there are other classes and races and origin characters and Dark Urge. I was hooked in BG3 after first 2 hours.

[@NerdyOutdoorVeteran]

Yup, anyone who hasn’t played the Dark Urge hasn’t truly played BG3 imo. They are so intertwined to the main story that it makes act 3 an absolute blast.

[@Zemorg]

Agree. The combat in Divinity: Original Sin 2 is just sublime. My fondness for BG3 almost solely came from the narrative, I'm highly unlikely to play a video game with D&D combat again in a hurry.

[@kolz4ever1980]

Ugh cod rejects trying out genres they don't belong in..

[@ThundraBoy666]

​@@kolz4ever1980he's literally praising DOS2, which is pretty much the same genre? And imo way better than BG3 in almost any way but graphics.

[@6thface]

Gratz on 600!

[@cptpocket]

a few more: Solasta (amazing game, more emphasis on strategy), The dungeon of Naheulbeuk (very funny and fun), Shadowrun etc.

[@Jules_Diplopia]

After finishing BG3 I shall cleanse my pallette with a few hours of Nimby Rails, maybe build a new town in Ostriv, then try another run of BG3. One game that I did enjoy was Horizon Zero Dawn, the story there was great, but I was sad that they then changed the feel just so that they could have a sequel. Sometimes a great story is just that, it has an ending, it leaves your wondering, with a small hole in your heart forever more. That is how storytelling should be. Used to be in books.

[@Johnsen1972]

I loved Pathfinder 1 and 2, Pillars 1 and 2 and now BG3

[@harrisonbannerman7412]

Just clicked this video and before I watch Wasteland 3 better be in this

[@XHobbiesPrime]

Planescape: Torment is probably the best plot writing I have ever seen in a game up there with BG3. Arcanum was great as well. I would love to see both remade.

[@ParthyFrez]

Obviously DOS2 but it will take me years to complete BG3.

[@Undependable3]

Stop having a life!

[@jaakko14]

Witcher 3 gameplay is great and you would do yourself a disservice by only watching a "movie" about it. Awesome open world filled with cool things to find and a decent enough combat system.

[@0wnij]

Witcher 3’s gameplay is awful, the combat is complete trash

[@catboy57392]

what do you mean after? im gonna make at least 2-3 more characters by myself

[@garrettmcintosh3208]

Great video! Just one critique. Quest in BG3 are not time dependent. The only quest really that comes close is Nere's in the underdark, but his isnt really time dependent but more event dependent

[@stevejackson4340]

Speaking of the Underdark... I have over 200 hours in BG3 and I have just made it to Baldurs Gate city in act 3. Thing is, even with all that time played so far, I somehow managed to completely miss the whole Underdark area in act 2. The replay value in this game is insane.

[@NerdyOutdoorVeteran]

There are multiple time dependent quests involving the grove in act 1. If you do too many long rests without doing things related to the grove, the druids complete the ritual and the grove closes off.

[@joshfrayer4534]

I'm currently on my 16th play through. Each starting character has both a light and a dark story, plus each class plays completely different, I'm still finding new things or different options to solve challenges, and I'm dreading my bard solo honor play

[@namelessking9068]

great list, but i would add kotor 1/2, dragon age origins and banner saga

[@LordRa88]

Great video man

[@6oingnorth]

15:46 reminds me of FF12's gambit system where you're basically doing logical programming to your party. I realized when replaying this last 2020, many years after playing it the first time. Blew my mind how I got around all of that as a kid.

[@OldAndNewVideoGames]

I actually played Deadfire in its built-in turn-based mode, and it's also fantastic! It's as good as the one in Original Sin 2. It doesn't feel like an afterthought but something planned for from day 1. I really recommend trying it out that way too.

[@ChristmasLore]

Having great fun on DOS2, but I miss the whole acted scenes so much, thinking about Dragon Age Inquisition (Mortismal likes it and we have similar tastes). I tried Dragon Age Origins, probably played half the game, but it was such hell running it well- whatever I tried to fix it, ultimately it kept crashing, bugging quests, etc (and I did follow all the guides on line, still hell). So I'll probably do the Keep thing and go directly to enjoy 3, the most modern version of the IP. But I still have Rivellon to save before that anyways! (Already bought Pillars of Eternity II, Pathfinder WOR and Neverwinter Nights on sale, so... I think I'll be fine for a -long - while... Waiting for a sale on Solasta too)

[@RedMage8BT]

I beat BG3 at the end of January and I went through this exercise on my own. I tried Icewind Dale but I honestly really can't stomach that "real-time with pause" style. I'm currently playing Pathfinder Kingmaker and enjoying it.

[@jonridley]

Love the pathfinder games, hate the mini games just want the story. DoS 2 and tyranny are next on my list. I’ve actually (for reasons too boring to list) managed to complete the 1st act of DoS 2 3 times now but never got any further lol😂

[@WestOfEarth]

Wasn't Dragon Age the first to have 'romancing' as a game mechanic? I feel like I remember it being the first game I ever played with such.

[@UnicornSkunk]

Mass Effect actually predates Dragon Age by a couple years, and has the romance game mechanic, but both were made by Bioware

[@WestOfEarth]

@@UnicornSkunk ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying.

[@remydeveraux]

great video!! one thing I would recommend is getting a piece of software that will soften your "p" and "t" sounds.

[@Undependable3]

I appreciate any feed back, i'll see if I can look up if theres anything I can do in premiere pro with that.

[@adamlund775]

I’m so happy that Arcanum made the list, such a great and unique game!! It changed my life.

[@talus9663]

The things I would do for a Deadfire sequel with the budget of BG3. Please Microsoft let Obsidian cook.

[@jabanana2664]

divinity original sin 1&2 will be the most familiar to bg3 i would also add for turn base games: expeditions series conquistador, vikings, rome (most recent) atom rpg wasteland 2 directors cut neverwinter 2

[@bi_smth]

Shadowrun popping in in the middle of the vid out of no where like what haha strongly recommend it tho sunce it's what got me into CRPGs in the first place. Cool hacking system.

[@Wolfdorf]

May I suggest Divinity Original Sin 1&2? Whole Mass Effect Series, Cyberpunk, The Witcher 1,2,3 and DRAGON age origins?

[@YamatoForever]

I spent almost a month of research on WoTR before I started playing. After restarting DOS2 many times since I wasn't happy with the builds I had. Didn't like Disco Elysium. When I died because I turned on a light when I was drunk I stop playing. I've had my time playing Zork like games. I like tactics too much and not into play basically a novel. Have you ever played the Fable and Suikoden series?

[@Undependable3]

I played fable and Suikoden 3. I remember fable being interesting but I wasn't able to finish it (this was decades ago at a friends house, I had no xbox) I remember Suikoden 3 being an interesting and long game that faltered towards the end.

[@Greatmaw-72]

Thank you for your thoughts was wondering what to play next after putting in 1000 hours on BG3 , deffo need a break from it 😂 nice 1 for mention about Witcher 3 another game I invested a big chunk of my life in

[@GodlsAFK]

I restarted baldurs gate 7 times after reaching act 3. Just wanted to understand the game perfectly and which direction i wanted to go with it as far as choices and allies. So if say for most first timers introduced to this genre for the first time its arguably the best start you could have seeing as its overwhelming at first . Slowww , detailed.

[@themprsndev]

Pillars of Eternity 2 also has turn based combat. You choose which combat system you'd like to use when starting a game.

[@gownerjones1450]

I'm very confused. Baldur's Gate 3 has the same environmental combat systems you described. Liquids and solid surfaces that you can create and change with spells or items. You can even dip your weapon into them to gain attack bonuses.

[@brianarmstrong4894]

BG3 is basically DOS3 with dice rolls.

[@NerdyOutdoorVeteran]

There’s no doubt it’s very similar. The difference is BG3 is tied to DnD rules which does limit in terms of something’s when compared to DOSII.

[@ThundraBoy666]

​@@brianarmstrong4894nah, DOS2 is more fun and generally way better simply because it isn't 5e.

[@Omnipotentmonkey]

technically you could consider Dragon Age Origins to be the original "Baldur's Gate 3" as it's the developer of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 going back to make another story-centric CRPG. technically you could say the same of Neverwinter Nights, but the aims there are so different (multiplayer,module focus) that I think DA:O fits the bill better. as someone whose PC isn't really up to the task for Baldur's Gate 3 and is waiting for the Xbox release (got a Series S on sale) that's what I've been doing to tide myself over, playing DA:O again for the first time in 10 years, and remembering why I love the game.

[@OdinsChosen208]

Is turn based mode in pillars 2 any good? I prefer turnbased over arpg style play

[@Undependable3]

I think they have made improvements but TBH i prefer the live combat. There is not as much "depth" in turn based mode as you would find in Divinity, for example.

[@esaedvik]

I, too, am a fan of the Bladders Gates...

[@MospeadaLegioss]

Great narration and voice

[@Undependable3]

Thanks! This makes me want to make more videos!

[@lalaninja006]

i really did not enjoy the divinity OS serries. played both quite a bit, messed around until i found a build i liked... and then i quit around what i think is act 2, not sure if it was the combat or the story, but it felt sluggish. here i am with almost 350 hours in BG 3 and my 4th playtrough, could still go for more. good that you praise pillars of eternity 2! it did not do well with sales from what i heard, and seeing there is no word about pillars of eternity 3, i suppose its true. i really enjoyed it, looking forward to avowed, but its not really what i wished for

[@simonholmes6473]

Yeah, I started playing Original Sin 2 after BG3 and I got to The Nameless Isle and the game suddenly became unbearably boring and I just can't force myself to go back to it. Even with act 3 and the endings being a bit of a mess, in need of a definitive edition, BG3 is still really good and stays fun the whole way through.

[@chrisathian5450]

same. play pillar of eternity and dos. dont like it.

[@TheSolarium18]

Mmh i was never able to finish divinity original sin 1 because of boringness and sluggishness and all the reasons you mentioned BUT I still think beside story, characters and presentation Divinity2 is better than baldurs gate 3. Hear me out haha I think the riddles, secrets and mainly the synergy of abilities, builds, effects and environment is soo much better. You can create sooo much better and fun builds because a lot of effects have so great synergy and instead of dnd it was created for video game fun time. For example turn a enemy into a chicken cast a spell on it that damages him for walking and the chicken will dumb run around and kill itself because it’s too dumb to realize whats going on. puck up glasscanon feat become an assasin and build around the idea to make many actions in one turn, teleporting around and become invisible at the end of your turn. cast shackle of pain and prevent death and hurt attack your own companion but he will remain one lifepoint while the enemy who gets the same damage dies or cast lifeswap etc etc

[@mcna7167]

Thank you for bringing up Pillars of Eternity 2. I started it 2 years ago, but never finished it. I restarted it today, after watching your video, and it is fantastic. I personally like real-time combat with pause in Pillars of Eternity 2 better than turn based combat in games like Baulder's Gate 3 because it is much faster paced. When Baulder's Gate 3 goes on sale at some point I will buy it. This is a very helpful video.

[@Undependable3]

If my video raises the credibility of the awesomeness of Deadfire by 1% in the eyes of the world then my job is done!

[@BRNakamura]

Bookmarking this for future reference (a.k.a. for after I finish my 7 or so playthroughs on BG3. I'm on my third)

[@Zebuza]

Would you recommend turn based or rtwp for deadfire?

[@Undependable3]

I think the RTWP is plenty good especially since you can pause at any time.

[@ProBreakers]

I’ve been playing Rogue Trader. It’s lots of fun so far :)

[@a.Trickster]

I'll definitely try to play most of the games in this list, i feel like I've been missing out on a whole genre of games.

[@Undependable3]

Get Deadfire and the expansions super cheap! It's very very worthwhile.

[@navdeepsingh3508]

I hated..like absolutely hated turn based before this game.....now i Love It ... something has changed..and im glad 😂

[@Vry9]

Not sure if it will be good but beast rpg in few days will be in EA. I just get to act 3 today so still in gsme but after that planning little of this the beast plus cyberpunk dlc and after that 2 play as dark urge (need to rest tho)

[@jalefar8247]

i like icewind dale and neverwinter nights 2