DAD! *• LESBIAN REACTS - HAZBIN HOTEL - 1x05 "DAD BEAT DAD” •*

[@Fantasmaa9]

Fun fact!: The reason why lucifer loves ducks is because he sees himself as the "ugly duckling" as well as in his dreams he's a swan :))

[@lukacunningham342]

That’s not fun, that’s sad

[@mishkamushka]

ive seen elsewhere that its because of the devil and the duck story

[@NEBULA-u2x]

When he is really handsome

[@Takisan111]

@@mishkamushka Someone else also suggested that it might be a reference to the Veggie Tales episode King George and the Ducky.

[@RebelCannonClub74]

It might also be a reference to Dante’s inferno, Lucifer bully’s and taunts Dante via a shade, but he is really frozen in his own tears because he hates being banished

[@DanGamingFan2406]

When Alastor swears, you know he's pissed. And the venom he puts behind it is even more hilarious. Also, I never thought Lucifer would be so lovable or relatable. Given how many A-hole dads Vivienne has made, I was really expecting him to be another example. But no, he's a socially awkward goofball. You can tell he cares about Charlie and he's really trying to connect with and protect her.

[@watershipup7101]

It kind of reminds me of Doofenshmirtz trying to connect with Vanessa.

[@AntonioLucas.1717]

@@watershipup7101yeah kinda but D.r Dofenshmertz ain't the king of hell

[@Strawberyycandy]

THATS HOW YOU SPELL HIS NAME???

[@poison_roses]

@@Strawberyycandy apparently so

[@Strawberyycandy]

@@poison_roses my whole life is a lie…

[@donovan802]

Alastor’s first curse 😂 You can just hear the annoyance in the “F” and the “K”

[@icemagiciangh]

The fact he said that to *Lucifer* is absolutely hilarious to me

[@thateye49]

_Well ⛲_ Eye see Lucifer being mature enough to not use his power to kill someone that insult him or something and for that he has respect+ from me.

[@kinjalslater2313]

Who else thinks that alastor and Lucifer should be reversed

[@kinjalslater2313]

@@thateye49 I don’t think he even has any powers

[@thateye49]

@@kinjalslater2313 I think you forgot that we are talking about the king of hell.

[@JohnSmith_1920]

Alastor is the first person in history to pull an Asexual, Aromantic, Platonic "Your Daughter Calls Me Daddy Too"

[@TheKnightPatriot]

Not my theory, but someone said Lucifer’s obsession with rubber ducks is a metaphor for him being Heaven’s “ugly duckling.”

[@jimballard1186]

Ha, I love that! That's brilliant.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

My theory is he's a fan of Kurzgesagt and that's why he's filled with existential dread.

[@Fluttershy890]

For real? I thought it was stated that Lucifer was the most beautiful angel?

[@ElizaArtz]

@@Fluttershy890 They don't mean literally ugly, but a repersentation of not fitting in. Which is what the 'Ugly Duckling' story is actually about.

[@mr.movieandtvguy5310]

That is actually a really good theory

[@tomsparrow1823]

I like Luci's little "told you so" speech while everything is falling apart around him because thats the sin he represents, pride, except for so long he's had nothing to be proud of, so the only prideful moments he has are these sad, petty things. He feels vindicated when his awful, depressed outlook on life is proven right. It's really sad.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

He's had Charlie and Lilith to be proud of. The amunt of pride he must feel must be so utterly incalculable that even he himself can barely stand beign around his own daughter.

[@tomsparrow1823]

@amanofnoreputation2164 yeah, key word being *had* tho. During more than anything, when we see the depiction of Luci and Lilith's split, not only does he lose his wife, but his daughter is pulled away from him. His life feels empty without them in a kingdom he never meant to create and only feels a moral obligation to rule. It's not his pride but his deepest shame, yet he takes the level of responsibility for it that he does to protect his daughter.

[@lennydickson8845]

@@amanofnoreputation2164Of which honestly isn’t the worst thing in the world because I was afraid the pride in this case would be of himself. I’m glad this take of Lucifer isn’t at least full of himself

[@elliot..5920]

ive seen a lot of people miss this, but the reason lucifer is all “sinners are horrible and cant change” isnt because hes depressed, its because in the story of hell in episode 1 charlie says that heaven made it so lucifer couldnt see the good that came from humanity, only the cruel. so he is physically UNABLE to see sinners as good people

[@amidoshi03]

Ahh I didn't realise that! Thanks for pointing it out!!!

[@TheGamerDuck]

Considering that in the song we learned that Charlie got her ideas from him I think it just meant that he coun't see any good that came from humanity as in he was trapped in hell. Which is also suported by the line that he can't be with her. I think he litterly can't leave hell where all the bad people are and therefore only see the bad in humanity

[@SwordTune]

I don't think he's physically unable. It's not like they cursed him. It's just because he lives in ACTUAL HELL. All he knows about humanity is what he sees there. He sees the Valentinos and Alasters of humanity.

[@brolytriplethreat]

​@@SwordTuneat least Charlie can help him see the Angel Dusts and Pentious...es?

[@NefariousDreary]

No, it's because most of the worst people go to hell. Not just casual sinners.

[@juliaschi96]

Jeremy’s voice almost makes me cry because it’s so beautiful like I’ve been a fan of him for years now and I still get shocked by his voice like how is he so good

[@KylieJohnston-q7h]

That's so real Jeremys voice is so good

[@andrewmendonca6876]

Lucifer is completely traumatized by what heaven did to him, and he doesn't want Charlie to go through that.

[@Noneyabuzz]

I love Lucifer so much 😂❤

[@ryanstout8634]

I also think some of the stuff he said could be interpreted as being talked about Lilith.

[@NEBULA-u2x]

I will protect Lucifer no matter what

[@CELL_Lunareclips21]

Dont let the christians see this XD​@@Noneyabuzz

[@CowMalicious9479]

​@@CELL_Lunareclips21Lmao

[@IM-vv5dm]

Personally, I think Alastor's frustration towards Lucifer could be partly fueled by him being unpleasantly reminded that he is again not always the most powerful person in the room. He likes being on top at all times and any challenge to that always bothers him.

[@sammyjaohnson5631]

I thought it was because Lucifer wasn't supporting Charlie and the hotel which is why he was pushing the fact he was a better father figure then him because at the end when Charlie and lucifer was doing their song Allistor was acting normal again.

[@Flame-rp6yq]

@@sammyjaohnson5631 because he most likely wants to be at the top of emotional support as well, to be able to hold onto something over the Devil himself

[@NiniSharktyle]

​@@sammyjaohnson5631 I mean yeah, but he only used that to bother Lucifer because he can't beat him in power. So it was a desperate way to assert dominance or something like that lol.

[@lynxlikestodraw2656]

I agree. And he knows he's the most powerful person in the room because he knows Charlie doesn't have the mental strength to just hurt people for no reason

[@voilavoila196]

@@lynxlikestodraw2656 yeah but if he were to hurt anyone dear to Charlie I'm sure his guts would end up as wall decorations

[@kenjutsukata1o1]

Poor Lucifer, a lot of people are overlooking details and misunderstanding him (likely due to years of preconceived notions in the lead-up to the show's release). There are TONS of hints at what's going on with the guy, but they're easy to miss especially if you've already got an idea of what you think he's like. He's not a deadbeat dad, he's a broken man wracked with depression and anxiety from thousands of years of a cruel punishment that he blames himself for. And Lilith? I'm pretty sure she's not the positive being so many people are assuming she is. It's already clear that Charlie's kindness, goofiness, and gentle nature come from her dad, so... where does that dark side come from? Here's my take on Lucifer's situation so far: First of all, he clearly had good intentions in giving the fruit to Eve, and it backfired on him. It mentions in the opening that part of his punishment was only ever getting to see the bad things that resulted from his decision (meaning he only ever got to see the worst of what humanity did with the gift he'd given them). He was likely a lot like Charlie back then, an idealist who was completely convinced that he was doing a good thing for humanity by giving them free will (and I'd certainly argue that it WAS a good thing), but Heaven shot him down. So he took action on his own, got punished, and now has been witnessing the depravity that humanity is capable of **thanks to him.** Can you imagine how something like that would affect Charlie? Just look at how she reacts when things go wrong for her. Now imagine things going wrong and her being forced to watch the worst aspects of things going wrong for thousands of years. She would NOT be doing well. And then we have evidence in the second song of this episode that Lilith was the reason for the gap between Charlie and her father. There were signs that Lucifer wasn't a deadbeat dad at all. First of all, the genuine love and care he expressed towards her are not the sort of feelings a deadbeat dad can express. Second of all was the way that Lilith took Charlie away from Lucifer in the flashback. I'm guessing there that Lilith had embraced EVERY aspect of being in Hell while Lucifer hid away from it, so she kept Charlie away from him so she would learn to embrace Hell instead of having delusions of anything more. Lucifer was a dreamer, and it even seemed he remained a dreamer for a while before depression swallowed him up (judging by his and Charlie's brief interaction in the flashback). Lilith wanted Charlie to be a true demon and not be infected by Lucifer's 'weakness' is my guess, but that last bit is purely based on conjecture on my part. And when Charlie mentioned that her dad only called when he was bored or wanted something from her, the tell-tale bit was the 'when he was bored' bit. If he EXCLUSIVELY called when he needed something then yeah, total deadbeat. But also when he was 'bored'. I'd bet a jar of nickels that the 'bored' part was just an excuse from Lucifer, and he was actually fishing for an opportunity to connect. He clearly had self-worth issues, and probably assumed that Charlie didn't want anything to do with him. And then Charlie likely had her perception of her father clouded by whatever Lilith told her. She assumed that Lucifer didn't want to connect with her either. But the fact that Charlie apparently almost never called him yet he called semi-frequently meant that he was reaching out in his own way. You'll note how excited he got both when he saw Charlie was calling and when Charlie asked him for a favor. It's not uncommon for people with low self-worth to jump at opportunities to provide 'value' as it makes them feel worthwhile. In fact, Vaggie has that same issue, and as Husker pointed out it was because she hated herself. So Lucifer was locked away for who knows how long, developing this strange fixation on making rubber ducks (curious to know if there's a reason behind that), battling depression and anxiety all by himself and occasionally reaching out to his daughter in the hopes that she might want to reconnect. Considering how floored he was that she invited him over is what makes me come to that conclusion. He'd been waiting for that invitation for ages but had been too anxious to try and initiate it himself. The poor guy was ruled by fear and self-loathing, and even though he was apart from his daughter she was clearly still his whole world. The moment at the beginning of the second song where he sees the spears of light pointed at her was very striking to me, as you see a flash of fear on his face before he pulls her away from them. He's terrified of what happened to him happening to his little girl, he doesn't want her doing things that would draw Heaven's attention to her. "I've wanted to know who you are", "I've been waiting", those lines say it all. They were kept apart by misunderstanding (and possibly manipulation by Lilith) and mental health issues on Lucifer's part. One thing I found interesting (and heartbreaking) about Lucifer that a lot of people either aren't picking up on or don't consider very significant was how he would occasionally start to hyperventilate then reel it in. The man has PTSD and clearly had several near panic-attacks during the episode but had just gotten good at reigning them in over the centuries. Heartbreaking :'(

[@ricardocea4078]

Finally, someone who analyzes the serie, I also do not believe that Lilith is as good as many people make her out to be without saying that the extermination that the angels carry out in hell is because she was gaining power by empowering hell. Who knows why she wanted to gain power.

[@sophie1680]

Agree wholeheartedly. I've seen some comics with Lucifer where I'm like... THAT'S how you see him???? Really????? Because so many people ignore all that for some reason. I like him a lot!!!

[@danaportnoy9153]

Yes!! Finally someone I can agree with on this!!! It seemed so suspicious to me right off the bat that Lilith “thrived” in Hell. If all that you can see in Hell is the depravity of humanity as a result of free will, what is there to thrive off of? A kill-or-be-killed world? Hell getting more powerful thanks to her, to me, could just as easily mean that she created soul contracts and built the tyrannical hierarchy we see to day, as it could mean she made sinners believe in themselves. You have everything about Lucifer spot on and as you said, if we can look inside this man that has had no hope for millennia, and see what he would have been, it would be a spitting image of Charlie. So Lilith is much more likely not the “pep-talk” kind of person. And what better to give him back his hope for the future, than getting to know his daughter? 🥹 it’s tragic but so beautiful. Elijah pointing out that he still has his wedding ring is interesting though. Maybe Lilith cheated on him, and Lucifer would be willing to forgive her if she showed any remaining interest in him at all. Maybe she cheated on him with Alastor? (Romantically not sexually) because she enjoyed his bloodlust? Or perhaps with Charlie’s ex-boyfriend’s dad, who we see in that photo in his office being friendly with him? They wouldn’t put that in the frame for no reason.

[@kunilsen2519]

I agree, and I also have taken notice that (as far as I have seen), no one comments on that Lucifer is so often close to hyperventilating. You are the first one I have seen. Even if you don't catch on to that the out-of-place breathing habits when talking is the start of hyperventilating, it's still a very particular trait to put on a character. One of the first things I took notice of about him was his particular breathing habits. Someone constantly having to take deep breaths/having the breath forced out while talking is obviously dealing with something 😅

[@Weeb_city_0990]

Also he probably wouldn't have that many pictures of Charlie if he didn't care

[@alricmalicorne321]

Something that a lot of people seem to gloss over : Charlie says "He calls a few times, but only when he's bored or he needs me to do something" Lucifer, on the other hand : "It's the first time SHE called YOU in months" To me it's a subtle way of showing that even though they've grown distant, Lucifer is still trying. Using excuses to call his daughter, who he clearly believes wants nothing to do with him.

[@Asterjupiter]

"TAKE THAT DEPRESSION"is now my motto and nobody can change my mind Edit:Guys calm down with the likes and comments I don't deserve it all TvT

[@joolzian2510]

I’ve said this before but I NEED it on a shirt lol

[@Asterjupiter]

@@joolzian2510 Couldn't agree more!

[@KaraDragonGirl]

I relate to him

[@adventuresinbasicreality219]

Almost heartbreaking when he said that

[@kittypeanut4102]

He's so me fr fr

[@moonchild4648]

I really don't think Mimzy's right about Alastor, the scene right after she calls him a softie immediately illustrates how he's not, she clearly thinks she's got him figured out, but in the end he doesen't react the way she expects. He may be fond of her, he may even have a soft side, but he's no softie, and he definitely does not care for Charlie as a daughter.

[@ghostlyexe]

Yes! That’s exactly how I feel, he’s playing an act for everyone, making him seem much more approachable than he actually is. Getting people close, getting them to trust him, thinking that he somehow actually could care, underneath all the spooky, scary stuff. That’s what makes him so dangerous, is how charismatic and well mannered he’s able to present himself as, that it’ll be too late when you realize it was just manipulation the entire time and he is actually the sadistic, unfeeling monster you were afraid he was going be from the start

[@FeministCatwoman]

​@@ghostlyexe Not sure if anyone watching this is familiar with Once Upon a Time, but he's giving off major Rumpelstiltskin vibes. Makes Faustian deals to trap people and strengthen his own powers, serial killing, occasionally emotionally manipulating others into thinking he's caring when he's really just using them?? Not sure what that archetype is called but I love it.

[@MayvaAva]

This exactly, Alastor is definitely not a “sweetie”, he’s multifaceted, and is likely capable of generosity (probably only towards people who are particularly special like Mimsy, and even then there are limits), and while he may not end up being the major antagonist he’s certainly an antagonist

[@Sono_zeraya]

I agree I don't think he cares for Charlie as a "daughter" per say, but I think he has some form of liking and/or fondness of charlie, when he smiles when she's singing and when he protects the hotel from the loan sharks

[@icemagiciangh]

Oh, definitely not. That man is NOT a sweetheart. He’s a manipulative powerhouse, 100% down to any form of violence. I’m willing to bet money that he never wanted kids, as well. 😂 He’s just salty because he’s been there this entire time, but Lucifer has now popped up to help.

[@kellymoffat3670]

Alastor's slow turn while singing "Daaaad" gets me every time 😂

[@CCEquestrian-je5uc]

Same

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

That's my favorite part.

[@StrawHatDottie]

Everytime I hear how Lucifer emphasizes "other friends" it makes wonder how intentional that was, considering who shows up later in the episode.

[@em.loves.dr.pepper]

🎶Gee it’s swell to finally meet her ✨Other Friends✨🎶

[@theirishninjasanimations]

Fun fact about this episode, in the Brazilian Portuguese version instead of a direct translation of "Take that, depression!" Lucifer says "Hashtag chupa depressão!", or "Hashtag suck it depression!" which is just such a hilariously dad thing to say and I love it.

[@TheDrawfeeBraincell]

that’s incredible I love that😂

[@obureyan]

Are you brazilian or did you just watch the show in all languages?

[@jeffmadmastermind3907]

Oh, vou assistir em português uma outra hora só pra ver coisas desse tipo. A dublagem brasileira é uma das melhores por essas pérolas que surgem dos nossos profissionais.

[@obureyan]

@@jeffmadmastermind3907 eu acho as música da dublagem de hazbin hotel muito boas tbm,tem algumas mais ou menos,mas nenhuma é ruim

[@tofu_golem]

"You like girls? We have that in common." I think in Lucifer's case, he hasn't seen his daughter in a while, and he's really nervous about the whole thing. If he's had depression for a long time, he has been isolating himself and has probably had degradation of basic social skills.

[@Jessebonnie]

Bro doesn't know his daughter is bisexual?? lol

[@prinzessin7835]

@@Jessebonniemy dad doesn‘t know that i am bisexual because i‘m not that close to him and Charlie said herself shes not very close to Lucifer so i‘m not surprised 😂

[@Jessebonnie]

@@prinzessin7835 Well it could be because you haven't come out to them?

[@prinzessin7835]

@@Jessebonnie seemingly neither did Charlie, atleast not to her father. Otherwise Lucifer would‘nt have been so surprised that his daughter has a girlfriend

[@SwordTune]

@@prinzessin7835 TBF it's hell, there might not even be a need to come out if the closet is already burnt to a crisp.

[@area52ron]

I feel like the whole Lucifer saying he also likes girls is him trying to quickly show that he can relate to Charlie about something so he immediately went for it

[@lartcheche78]

Yeah that's how i see it too

[@lawnmowerdude]

Yeah he is just so desperate to relate to her.

[@chordsofsteel-i4j]

its so cringe tho ngl

[@theeternalsuperstar3773]

Not just that, Lucy was overjoyed that Alastor wasn't f-ing his daughter.

[@MiraTheWarlock]

Considering how a lot of parents react to their kid coming out, I'll take a cringy joke any day

[@LydiaKyriakidou-js3cm]

Alastor saying you can almost call me dad is the most asexual way of saying your daughter also calls me daddy

[@ISIMPFORANGELDUST-d8s]

WHAT

[@icemagiciangh]

You know you’ve got parental issues when you wish your dad was like *LUCIFER* in a cartoon show. I cannot express how much I love their song.

[@Ixshs3a]

Same. I want him to be my dad so bad, and he’s literally a cartoon character that represents the king of hell *LUCIFER*

[@AvrillWolfie]

Same

[@Macaronigoats-]

Same tho- it’s like we all live the same life.

[@kichi9612]

Literally💀

[@Xint-ri2wk]

REAL

[@Jonathan_Collins]

I just love how Alastor clearly couldn't care less about being a father figure to Charlie and just wants to mess with her father, who's the KING OF HELL. The man just doesn't care.

[@DevilSpade]

I swear I'm insane but I've seen this comment everywhere, are you real? *poke poke*

[@Feed-Me-Lore]

​@@DevilSpade Yeah, some comments are just being pasted in every other relevant comment section lol

[@DevilSpade]

@@Feed-Me-Lore *continues to poke*

[@Lightice1]

Yeah, reviewers seem to be taking Alastor a bit too much at face value. His interaction with Husk makes it pretty clear that he's not a nice person. Either he felt threatened by someone who could call out his manipulation and couldn't be intimidated silent, or he's got his own mysterious beef with Lucifer in specific. It does seem increasingly likely that someone, most likely Lilith, is forcing him to help Charlie and the hotel through a contract.

[@Khajmer]

@@Lightice1 I'm not sure about that. I do think he was being manipulative with Lucy and Charlie, but the way he talks to Mimzy at the end makes me think he genuinely wants the Hotel to work. *Why* is my big question.

[@SF-ow9ym]

I honestly feel like the "YOU LIKE GIRLS?? SO DO I!" line, while being kinda triggering, was also kinda cute/sad in this context because it shows how desperate Lucifer is to relate to Charlie about literally anything.

[@UltimateFormula1Fan]

Plus that line was featured in several fan arts before this series started

[@LemonOficial296]

I love that line xD it was funny

[@reggielacey2235]

Only snowflakes guys are triggered

[@danielwhyatt3278]

Oh definitely. I find it to be very cute and desperate. ☺️

[@lazymansload520]

I’m confused, how is it triggering?

[@glasgowc1]

The reason Alastor immediately has antipathy towards Lilith is simple; Alastor's long-term goal is to move into Charlie's life, gain her trust, and become her primary (and eventually only) mentor figure, so he can steer Charlie's power to his purposes. This was a plan working just fine so long as Charlie's real father was absent from her life, but him suddenly showing up again and trying to reconnect is something that Alastor needs to spike if he can... and unlike everybody else Lucifer simply cannot be threatened or intimidated because he's /vastly/ more powerful than Alastor, something Alastor is not used to dealing with and hates having to deal with. Hence the rare moment of Alastor losing his cool... he had entirely lost control over the situation, and that's Alastor's rage button. It's also why he flips out when Husk throws Alastor's being on a leash in his face; it was another reminder of how in control Alastor actually wasn't. It's also why Alastor went out of his way to project so much stepdad energy a few minutes later despite not really feeling that way at all - Alastor had figured out that Lucifer's main vulnerability was his insecurity about his relationship with his daughter, and once he was finally given a weak point to strike at - a way to get at least some control of the situation back - he went at it with everything he had.

[@glasgowc1]

The reason Lucifer starts out trying to stop Charlie from following her dream is simple - he tried the same idea himself once and it destroyed his life and condemned him to thousands of years of torment. Lucifer wants Charlie to walk away from her hopes by her own decision because he sees that as the merciful alternative to having her continue on a collision course with Heaven and be forcibly crushed and broken like he was. Over the course of "More Than Anything" Lucifer changes his decision not because he thinks Charlie can succeed, but because he's been confronted with the fact that if Charlie ever chose to give up on her own then she /wouldn't be Charlie/, and that he has no choice but to let his now-adult daughter start facing adult risks. So he goes all-in on on supporting her, at least hoping that him being there to catch her when she falls will mean her story doesn't end as horribly as his did. Later in the season his opinion may evolve further, but that's where Lucifer is as of the end of this episode.

[@ShinuuuSh]

it's funny that alastor is so good at manipulation that he manipulated the fans of hazbin hotel that he has good intentions and actually considers charlie as his daughter and not a path to power LMAO

[@kawaiiemolga]

It was very obvious to me that he just wanted to hit Lucifer where it really stings him, since he can't overpower him. But I'm glad that scene with Husk was there to remind people of what he really is

[@kittypeanut4102]

Truly one of the moments of all time

[@ShinuuuSh]

@@kawaiiemolga I understand these "he so girly pop and cutie" jokes as complete sarcasm, but I have the impression that some people have started to seriously believe it 💀

[@Doodleandcompany]

@@ShinuuuShyeah like he was literally a serial killer

[@Daesma999]

​​​@@Doodleandcompany and they are known for their manipulation techniques and charm. Ted Bundy was also total sweetie

[@EN-Fitz]

"Pride is not the opposite of shame, but it's source" If we look hard at Lucifer, we start to see how much that quote applies to him as Charlie's dad, leader of the Pride Ring and why he's so depressed. That may even apply to every sinner in the Pride ring.

[@PGGreatOak]

I thought, unless they're changing things up, he'd be the leader of Treachery, for betraying God. Just going by Dante Allegheri's poem Inferno

[@MayvaAva]

According to everywhere I’ve looked, sinners ONLY go to the pride wing, so that would mean that quote applies to every sinner, which idk haha, but you’re definitely right about Lucifer

[@89Keith]

Props on the Iroh quote

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

@@89Keiththe uncle we all needed.

[@89Keith]

@Prophetofthe8thLegion amen! Ave Dominus nox brother

[@Arcane_Kobold]

I just want to point out something Morgan said in their reaction. They mentioned that Alastor isn’t against showing off his power to intimidate people, but with Lucifer he doesn’t flex his power, he flexes his relationship with Charlie, most likely meaning that he knows he can’t overpower Lucifer. Which raises the question: if Alastor is THAT strong, how powerful is Lucifer?

[@TheNitpickChick]

I mean, Alastor is one of the most powerful Overlords, but Overlords themselves are relatively far down on the overall power rankings in Hell. Above Overlords are the Ars Goetia and other Hellborn demon royalty. Then above them are 6 of the 7 Deadly Sins (Asmodeus, Beelzebub, Mammon, Satan, Belphagor, & Leviathan). Above them are Charlie and Lilith (*corrected), and at the very top is Lucifer. So, Lucifer is about 4 levels above Alastor, in terms of power, and could undoubtedly crush him like a bug, if he were so inclined. Plus, he’s still an angel, even if fallen, and so he could likely permanently erase any demon he wanted to, just like the Exorcist angels. Luckily for Alastor, though, Lucifer doesn’t seem inclined to flex his power like that, or be a tyrant who kills anyone who annoys him.

[@reggielacey2235]

​@@TheNitpickChickCharlie is stronger then lilith

[@TyraziumGod]

​@@TheNitpickChickIn the spirit of your name, I've come to point something out. Charlie and Lillith were put on the same tier, and I can't seem to find anything that would imply one is stronger than the other. One can infer Lillith has the advantage due to thousands of years of experience over Charlie given how Charlie is stated to be around 200 years old (Physically in her 20s). But given her Half Fallen Angel Half Demon Physiology, I have zero doubt she'll surpass her parents in raw power. But as it stands she is comparable to Lillith. But I agree with everything Else, Alistor is multiple Tiers below Lucifer. It was said that it goes: Lucifer Charlie and Lillith 6 Other Sins Ars Goetia and other Demon Royalty Overlords Sinners Hellborn (Like Chaz, The Loansharks, Succubi and Incubi like Verosika) and finally Imps and Hellhounds are at the bottom rung.

[@LadyLeomon]

@@TheNitpickChickaccording to Vivziepop’s “scale of power” Lilith and Charlie are both second in power only to Lucifer, so Charlie has to be at least as strong as her mother, whether that’s due to her dual-heritage as being the child of a Fallen Angel and the Queen of Hell (I’m not sure if Lilith counts as a Sinner or not because otherwise Sinners are pretty damned low on the power-scale, being above only the Hell-born Imps and Hellhounds. So however strong we think Lilith might be, I’m certain Charlie can match her

[@LadyLeomon]

@@TyraziumGodI feel the need to point out Lucifer and Satan are separate entities in this universe, so there are still 7 Deadly Sins, we just haven’t seen Satan in the show yet

[@Coraline_loverrr]

14:30 in the scene where Lucifer was hugging vaggie you can see him look for her halo as if he knows she’s also a fallen angel 😇 I thought that was nice and a cute thing to say just in case you missed it ❤

[@EiraChen]

Oh I saw and boy was if impressive

[@tatsumisakamai5372]

I am so glad they made Lucifer such a caring dad. Sure he's kind of a doofus who isn't exactly good at this, but he is legit trying and does truly love Charlie. Also Hearing Alastor use profanity is GOLD. That’s how you know he’s really upset because nobody really gets to him

[@ukihakasmikaze8778]

He's trying better than Lilith she didn't even contacted charlie at least Lucifer contacts her and seeing ''more than anything'' charlie's part it seems Lilith wanted them apart

[@DeathKitta]

@@ukihakasmikaze8778 Yeah why would she take Charlie away when she was bonding with her dad and making him less depressed.

[@MicoB1022]

It’s an interesting dynamic since too often in media, neglectful fathers are shown to be all around terrible or just outright abusers. But Lucifer shows an uncommon yet also real kind of neglectful father who doesn’t really wanna be around his kids because of his own insecurities. Which mind you is definitely not fair to the child either, but it shows that not every flawed parent is necessarily flawed out of evil or malice.

[@Moonlight.Howlings.666]

This version of Lucifer is WAY different than I expected from the Pilot. Back then, it seemed like he was probably gonna be a super distant and harsh parent. He’s distant still, or at least was for a lot of Charlie’s childhood, but…he also clearly really does care about her. He was scared by the prospect his kid would repeat all his own mistakes and didn’t know how to deal with it, but he’s still willing to try for her now.

[@icemagiciangh]

Yeah. The “I think dad was right about me” line, along with “Lucifer lost his will to dream” clashed with Charlie telling Lucifer seeing him create things in her childhood inspired her, considering he shouldn’t have been up to those things if he lost his will to dream. But I love the song too much to let plot holes stop me.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

It ain't a plot hole lol

[@Jewel-ck2xk]

Well he is a fallen angel so ig his personality would be similar ?

[@tyrant-den884]

I dunno, I predicted he was a workshop guy back then.

[@koukikrak6467]

@@icemagiciangh These are not really plot holes. She is still pissed at him in the episode about what he said to her (this episode is 5 month after the last ones), but now we can guess that he just really badly chose his words about heaven, redemption etc... (I like to imagine we worked his peach for his scene with charlie to not be shitty again) And he shows Charlie his powers in this episode to impress her, so why not doing it when she was a child (probably millenias before, so he maybe wasn't fully depressed at that time)

[@MewDenise]

To me, It's clear that Alastor is just messing with Lucifer mentally cause there is no way to do it physically.

[@Rayni_XZ.o]

Well yeah, if he tries to mess with him physically, there's no gonna be an Alastor (the radio demon) anymore

[@phantom6]

right. Lucifer acted towards Al like Al does to Pentious. "Who are you?" a complete non-entity to him until he did something to offend.

[@IVAN-hg6ei]

I know, finally someone who sees the real Alastor

[@chiirou_9]

​@ville__tf is Colleen and how do you know?

[@onettaviator5396]

​@@chiirou_9 A big og KZbinr who's kind of a child creep. Elijah never said that though, doesn't seem like she would.

[@Rubykiller-hl4gk]

8:40 NOT THE WHITE FLAG AND HAND PUPPET ELI AHAHAHAHHAHA'

[@CCEnby85]

“Power bottom at rock bottom” and now “Take that depression!” Are two of the most relatable lines in the show to me so far! And I love it! 😂😂😂

[@KaraDragonGirl]

Yes very

[@Parambolumberienriatta]

It do be relatabe.

[@thelion1366]

I have a feeling that Lucifer would be the kind of guy to respond to their kid coming out as "hi gay I'm dad".

[@NefariousDreary]

Accurate 😂

[@warrenchapoton2089]

I know i'm gonna say that

[@Mani-gj2eu]

Dont forget transparent

[@lordspider6293]

When Lucifer says Charlie is the only thing worth protecting you can see the fear in his eyes when the spears start to go towards her, and he pulls her away from it. He is fine being targeted but so desperately doesn't want Charlie to feel like he did. And the fact he pulls her into the darkness for HER safety

[@irkenpony17]

I notcied that on second watch, and whenever i see that fear i get sad-

[@shaniceball9052]

8:21 YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO BELTED OUT LAUGHING WHEN HE SAID THAT LOL!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@-XOSMIC-7512]

I love how Lucifer is shorter then his own daughter! 😂 we love a short king 👑

[@MsSoirae]

Charlie's def got her mom's genes with the height

[@moviemaker517]

​@@MsSoirae facts

[@AlphineXSebastianSolance]

I love Lucifer's face when he sees Alastor. Tho he has a Rivalry with Alastor, and just to tell you guys how Lucifer is short IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER SIZE DOESN'T MATTER AND HEIGHT DOESN'T MATTER . small but mighty but in this case short but powerful

[@nkenzh]

well, as Vivzy said demons have their true forms so i bet Lucifer is waaaay taller than he looks in his normal form

[@peteramaranth85]

lore wise, hes the hight of an actual human, lucifer was one of the first angels so hes kinda correct to lore and charlie is 6ft tall so yea the charicters of the show are bloody massive

[@KimberlyA-zv1rc]

Alastor: you could almost call me daaad Lucifer: ✨aggressively plays violin✨

[@pokemonfan706]

I think it's a fiddle

[@cojec]

​@@pokemonfan706 They're the same instrument! "Fiddle" is mainly used for country and bluegrass music, but it's the same as a violin.

[@mantawhitest1895]

Fun fact: It's a golden fiddle; referencing the song "The Devil Went Down to Georgia"

[@Animations-and-junk]

Reminds me of the David vs Daniel scene from Camp Camp

[@pokemonfan706]

@@cojec oh

[@navifairy6287]

Elijah: What's wrong with you? Lucifer: Crippling depression.

[@gothic_ace2037]

i found this way funnier than i should have

[@brianl8481]

Me: That’s a mood, Gabriella.

[@Nethegirl1213]

Daddy issues more like it!

[@chezcheese7109]

23:08 I think he means that he fought for their free will, and the sinners took it and did horrible things with it (like murder)

[@icemagiciangh]

Sir Pentious tearing up when Charlie was on the phone, hoarding the cookies, and crying during the entire song is a mood.

[@haylewhite3789]

Did y’all notice how Alastar rubbed his hand on his jacket after shaking Lucifer’s cane 🤣🤣🤣 the petty

[@Jessebonnie]

Alastor and Lucifer being rivals time xD

[@SpriterMite]

He’s like: OH NAHH THIS SHORT AAAH KING TOUCHED MY *WONDERFUL* HAND.. *wipes hand*

[@SpriterMite]

@@Jessebonnie YOOOOOH-

[@SpriterMite]

The way you worded that sounded so fucking weird lmao

[@Furina5OO]

​@@Jessebonnie WAIT THAT SOUNDS SOOO WRONG-

[@gundamboy195]

o/ Depression representative here. The not communicating with friends and family aspect is something I deal with also. It's an unsupported feeling of intrusion into their spaces that the person does know is fine to do, but holds themselves back from it. Also, burying yourself in a minor task alone is another... Damn it, Lucifer making me examine myself >.>

[@neolithiumproduction]

Also, the tendency for your thoughts and words to be constantly negative. The suicidal thoughts about the railing. And the hazy mind, making it hard sometimes to focus or even remember conversations you've had. I've also been through it, so I immediately saw and connected with Lucifer on it. But he really does love Charlie. 😭

[@stormcloud3337]

yes! also this is less deep but the tired eyes? the kind of hopeless, permanently exhausted look he had brought back memories I fogrot I had tbh, and I loved how it didn't just go away when things got a bit better!!

[@treyposey8507]

8:43 I was eating and painfully coughed while laughing 🤣🤣🤣

[@doot1doo1]

16:10 i 100% believe Alastor just said this to get a rise out of Lucifer. it's obvious when he says "you could even call me dad" he's not looking at Charlie at all. he turns directly to Lucifer. as established, Alastor thrives off of attention and control. Lucifer is not only infinitely more powerful than him, he also didn't even spare him a second glance. maybe he has a soft spot, maybe on some level he's fond of her, maybe he has an interest in keeping her on his side, but there's no way he genuinely views her as "the daughter he wishes he had"

[@MurriciTerceiro]

idk dude, you know how musicals work, he was singing there already.

[@notzoenoelle]

i wish i could pin this

[@tytanm-2380]

I think Alastor didn’t like Lucifer was simply because Lucifer ignored Alastor when he entered. As we saw with Carmilla he’s really prideful and hates not being acknowledged. Alastor likely responds how he does to be petty, especially since he isn’t able to overpower Lucifer in any sense. On an unrelated note, it’s hilarious how Lucifer’s feelings goes from “This strawberry pimp is making moves on my daughter” to “thank dad, she likes girls”, to “oh crap, he’s trying to take my place.” 😂

[@smartpuff7389]

“Alastor, secret softie!” *immediately cuts to scene of him terrifying the shit out of Husk*

[@danicrose9352]

The way I take it, Mimzy thinks she's got Al figured out, but he's probably putting up a front with her. Same with Charlie, I think he doesn't care about the hotel or Charlie, he was only doing all that in Hells Greatest Dad was to get under his skin.

[@notzoenoelle]

*tyler the creator voice: so that was a fucking lie*

[@Daemonworks]

vivzie whispering in your ear: "I can see no reason why they can't both be true"

[@em.loves.dr.pepper]

16:55 I love how Elijah goes from 😱😬when Alister an Lucifer go head to head and then when Mimzy shows up, she goes 😮🤨

[@Fortagreen]

"TAKE THAT DEPRESSION" is one of the best lines as well as the "Daaad" line alistor sings in the song.

[@roo1014]

*Take that depression!* - Lucifer Morningstar

[@stephenking5852]

Oof.

[@KaraDragonGirl]

I relate so much WHY

[@NEBULA-u2x]

This is my motto now no one can change me

[@alexiaNBC]

Alastor's grudge with Lucifer is just so freaking hilarious especially when they compete for Charlie's affection.

[@DragonGoddess18]

Plot twist: Alastor did it to push Lucifer to be a better dad to Charlie

[@Ixshs3a]

@@DragonGoddess18I’m pretty sure that was the whole point, he was doing it to piss Lucifer off

[@theycallmebad]

I mean, he has never once behaved like that to her until now, so it's definitely fake. The pilot made it clear too that he's only invested in the hotel to see Sinners fail and get a laugh out of it. He tried to make a deal for her soul too, so...yeah, no, not caring or wanting her affection, just make Lucifer angry.

[@brolytriplethreat]

​@theycallmebad nah I'm pretty sure his words in the pilot were a lie. Or, a half-lie at least. While he does find amusement in all this, I think his true plans are far grander than merely watching someone fail.

[@kateiannacone2698]

23:05 "our people are AWFUL!" If you remember, in the story in episode 1, they say that because Lucifer was cast into hell, he never got to see the good that came from humanity. That's why he says "they were gifted free will, and look what they did with it! Everything is terrible!" When really not everything is terrible, that's just all he ever gets to see. No wonder he's depressed!

[@Douchey_Elkmen]

7:54 In case your still wondering, that's Charlie's ex-boyfriend's father: Frederick von Eldritch. Charlie used to date a guy called Seviathan von Eldritch, who broke up with each other for unknown reasons. Lucifer and Frederick von Eldritch were friends because of their children's relationship.

[@reggielacey2235]

And of course instead of him they made her gay for diversity woke crap

[@FeministCatwoman]

I thought it was Adam without his mask on this whole time

[@icemagiciangh]

@@FeministCatwomanI thought it was Adam in a different outfit too. Then I noticed he had a different color tongue than Adam, and started to wonder if they * were* bringing Michael in as his twin. I didn’t know the dads had been good friends. Makes more sense now.

[@Saintess_Kym]

@@icemagicianghit’s leviathan his actual first name and luciera rival

[@Fanboy_of_everything]

@@icemagiciangh I bet they “dressed up and traveled”, too

[@DonnyDMan]

26:30 Did anyone else notice that when Lucifer was singing about losing it all again, the scene cuts to Charlie with spears being pointed at her. Lucifer pulls her away from the danger. Beautiful story telling and showing us how he cares for his daughter ❤

[@greysonalex]

he pulls her away and flips them so HE'S the one with the spears pointed at him and charlies safely away.

[@ryank2780]

I heard someone say that he doesn't care that the spears are pointed at him, cuz just like Adam says: he's the most hated being in all of creation. He's used to it. But when the spears are directed at his daughter then he gets scared.

[@clarachase1422]

I also noticed that he pulled her away from the light (as in Heaven) and into the darkness (which is Hell and his protection/shelter)

[@donovan802]

Jeremy Jordan and Erika Henningsen did phenomenal with “More Than Anything”. It really pulled on your heartstrings

[@Gremlin_Boi_]

20:19 my favorite scene besides the musical numbers Morgan freaked out during this part it had me rolling and your reaction being just *shooketh* was perfect

[@alexpainter4169]

Fun Fact: Lucifer playing the golden fiddle is a reference to the 1979 Charlie Daniels song "The Devil went down to Georgia". If anyone who is reading this hasn't heard it, I *HIGHLY* recommend it!

[@irkenpony17]

That is a really random fact, i luv it :V

[@TaffyTheSquish]

Ahhhh!!! I knew it!! I’m so happy that is an reference! I’m so happy! (My gosh that song is so freaking good)

[@Rayni_XZ.o]

Didn't know that, thanks for telling.

[@molly_parker_1847]

Oh, I was wondering if they were referencing that song. Good to know.

[@-Miss-Malice-]

A lot of Alastor stans are a good show of how serial killers lure in victims so easily. We KNOW he was a cannibalistic serial killer and that he thinks redemption, aka, changing, is a waste of time. He's still a manipulative murderer, and yet because he can say a few nice things people automatically assume he's a great person or that he has good intentions at all, for anyone other than himself.

[@_-NatureMations-_]

Lol I just like him as a character because he has a resemblance to most of my OCs. Also evil characters are hilarious

[@-Miss-Malice-]

Oh yeah, he's great and I like him a lot too! I just wish people would stop assuming he's a good person. XD@@_-NatureMations-_

[@dikastederook6380]

​​@@-Miss-Malice- Yeah same, at least this scene helped people to remember he's no good

[@squiddies6896]

he's fun specifically because he's not real to say the least

[@VNightmoon]

I love him *because* he's such a good manipulator. It makes his part in "Hell's Greatest Dad" 10x funnier to me BECAUSE I know he's only doing it to piss off Lucifer. It wouldn't be as amusing if he were being genuine. Also, the entire busboy thing. He got humbled for 10 seconds, and I'm just over here with my popcorn enjoying every one of those seconds.

[@RedRiot914]

I think Alastor’s reaction to first seeing lucifer was cus he was severely disappointed. Imagine being the most ambitious and ruthless demon aiming for the top to take lucifer, the supposed monster of monster’s place but see a short dude with golden retriever energy 😂 there is also a level of satisfaction of taking down a ruthless king in a savage kingdom, but lucifer looked like he didnt even belong there 😅

[@Kongstudios2]

Which I love how poetic that is! Lucifer has mostly been portrayed as a giant, red, cloven-hoofed monster that devours all that enter hell! It's only recently in modern media we've seen him portrayed as this gorgeous, enigmatic and often very approachable ruler which juxtaposes with his surroundings, which, yeah, he's a LITERAL ANGEL PEOPLE LMAO😂!

[@myathemango2936]

He's threatened by Lucifer because Lucifer is stronger than him & because he would protect Charlie & he preys on Charlie because she has a pure heart. He is definitely planning to use her to get power.

[@gothic_ace2037]

honestly i love the more modern take on him rather than the big bad troll like creature most used to depict him as, like he's supposed the be the serpent with the golden tongue that lures people into sinning. Who's gonna wanna sin if a big red monster is going "DO IT OR ILL EAT YOUR SOUL". like, pal, id be more willing to sin if someone like viv's lucifer were to come up to me and start gushing about ducks @@Kongstudios2

[@anniefemmas5097]

No, it wasn't disappointment, he felt threatened, Alastor knows that Lucifer can kick his ass 30 times without getting tired.

[@StealthMarmot_]

People forget Lucifer is a literal angel. A fallen angel, but an angel.

[@GrimGriefer5]

17:25 “who” “Who am i? Who am i? What are you even saying!”

[@MarceloSilva-kp7mc]

22:00 Well, it was said in the first episode that the objective of sending Lucifer to hell was precisely so that he would only see the worst that came from what he did by giving free will to humanity They basically said "oh, so you think what you did was good? So from now on, you're only gonna see the worst that came from that"

[@Netherwolf61OO]

Love that Alastor is just blatantly lying about his relationship with Charlie to get under Lucifer's skin. He has NEVER wanted to be a father figure to the hotel gang, he's just being a pr*ck to the literal king of hell. And it's iconic.

[@djmewtwo6981]

He probably is forced to do that as well

[@amidoshi03]

​​@@djmewtwo6981ESPECIALLY if it's Lilith, Lucifer's ex, controlling him. That makes it even funnier

[@djmewtwo6981]

@@amidoshi03 it’s hard to not be Lilith, I don’t think the royals would be powerful enough to force an overlord into a leash just like that (specially not a big tier like Alastor), and the sins don’t have any control over the pride ring. So everything indicates it’s Lilith, specially since it matches the whole 7 years thing, and Charlie stated Lilith has the dreams of rebellion in prologue

[@BLeePrit]

The funny thing is Charlie is like 4 times older than Alastor.

[@djeverest4078]

He has a superiority complex, he can't match Lucifer in physical or magical power so he tries to one up him using his relationship with Charlie

[@mxbubbles4753]

I don't like how people get angry at Val when he abuses Angel Dust but when Alastor abuses Husker people are like "Husker you shouldn't talk back to Alastor" feels very one sided & hypocritical. I do hope at some point in a future season Husk is able to break free, either by Alastor let him/being forced to let him go or he gets killed, I would rather Alastor not die since he's a great character and there still so much to do and explore about his character but I want Husker to finally be able to live his own life same as Angel dust hopefully(I swear to god or mabey lucifer that if either of them die I am sending the bill for my therapy to Vivipop).

[@spicytubaroll]

THANK YOU!!! OMG finally someone gets it! Alastor is so obviously not a good guy at all. At first I didn’t trust him, but now I seriously don’t trust him. It’s annoying everyone is giving him the benefit of the doubt because they love his character so much. He’s clearly someone we cannot trust

[@mxbubbles4753]

@@spicytubaroll Yeah definetly, like don't get me wrong I love Alastor as a character but I'm not gonna act like he's a good guy or be fine with what he does, he's clearly sadistic and if they do a redmeption ark for him it would have to be good, like go really into it, not just "oh now he's fartherly to charlie, he's such a sweety, he's forgiven" as that would just be disrespectful to Huskers character and those who relate to him.

[@vihurah9554]

Its telling how much I see this sentiment. Maybe he's not as openly abusive with his souls, but its still a "nice slave owner" fallacy, he's still a monster. But he's a fan favorite so everyone ignores it. After seeing husk last episode I really just despise alastor now

[@alllittlethingzz]

Yea it’s very hypocritical tbh when I saw alastor abusing Husk I got mad at Alastor for the first time and was like “you’re mad cause Husk is right for saying what he said!!”

[@ichhabekeineahnung2462]

I feel like Hells not doing the job its supposed to. The general populace of Hell are tormented either by Heaven or the overlords. But the overlords are living large and nice. Powerfull and cushy lives. I assume its going to end with at least some overlords crumbling towards a third act breakdown. I feel like Allister could totally easily do without Husk. So i do hope all the contracts are torn apaet at some point.

[@shaniceball9052]

12:21 HAA-HAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!! THERE ARE NO WORDS! LMAO!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@serenitythesiren5031]

Honestly, Mimzy showing up abruptly is probably the only way Alastor could have made it out of that situation without having a second death.

[@chelseabellamy6993]

So true XD

[@anniefemmas5097]

Hahaha totally

[@duckysguidetoshipping8930]

HONESTLY I SEE PEOPLE HATING AND IM LIK3 ITS THE OBLY WAYIT WOYLDV3 ENDED

[@Rosie-su3fb]

Charlie would’ve gotten Lucifer to stop. He wouldn’t kill someone his daughter cares about when his relationship with her is already strained.

[@Aniyah_Playz27492]

"The family you choose is better" is the best thing I've heard in this episode, that's why friends are so important in life.

[@danicrose9352]

I call two of my friends "adoptive father and mother" because they're dating but they also care about me and my other friends like parents would. I consider all my friends family.

[@sydnigard2082]

My favorite thing is that Husk made Angel dust a drink when making Mimzy's, before leaving to talk to Alastor. No words needed to be said. Just love it.

[@Avery1357girlsrulebit-tj4sl]

When Lucifer met Vaggie, its almost like he knew she was an Angel, looking for her halo and avoiding where her wings were, further proving the theory..

[@rufusmorris9160]

Alistor can’t defeat the king of hell, it’s very one sided, so he instead engages in psychological attacks.

[@honk16]

THE WAY ALASTOR DELIVERED THAT "fuck you" WAS SO CATHARIC

[@Khoraph]

Since everyone is talking about the emotional parts, may I take a moment to shout out that LUCIFER HAS A GOLDEN FIDDLE. That reference killed me 😂

[@willasyn3136]

Charlie Daniels vibes

[@Alastordadeer]

24:20 he makes the Root of evil’s symbol when he conjures up his true power

[@Layla-xl1tm]

"they don't need trust falls they need therapy!" FR THOUGH

[@Just_gacha_bree]

Even vaggie does

[@Layla-xl1tm]

@@Just_gacha_bree Ya

[@Minho-n2m]

True btw DO YOU LOVE POISON

[@Layla-xl1tm]

@@Minho-n2m YESSS

[@Badgermoles4444]

I'm convinced that someone is trying to keep Charlie and Lucifer distant. Lucifer clearly wants to be in Charlie's life,, Charlie wants Lucifer in hers, and they both are under the impression that the other doesn't want that. A bit of a Blitz and Fizz situation.

[@SuperBearnut]

Yeah, my money is on Lilith. Since it was implied that Lilith took Charlie with her when she split with Lucifer, it would be easy for her to keep them apart and tell them the other does not want to see them. I wouldn't even be surprised if she turned out to be the final big bad. I mean the whole not showing a face in the flashback is a massive red flag to my tvtropes addled mind.

[@Badgermoles4444]

@@SuperBearnut definitely. I know everyone's been buying into Lucifer being a bad dad, but he's clearly been manipulated to come off that way. Lilith cutting off Charlie from him might have been to keep him from repairing his broken spirit.

[@WelcomeApathy]

@@SuperBearnut Yeah, I don't trust Lilith at all. She was the one pulling the strings from the beginning, just based on the story. Arranging for Lucifer to give the apple, then running and flourishing in hell. Then you have her taking off, taking Charlie from Lucifer, then disappearing. I also think she's the one with the leash on Alastor, stemming from whatever happened 7 years ago.

[@jackelsupreme666]

The over thinking and the "Hey b*tch" was giving the EXACT same vibe as that scene from Ducktales when Della finally came home 😂❤

[@JohnsonPundari]

21:09 “ohhhh shitballs” Elijah 2024

[@alzedi98]

The fact that Luci would have ERASED Alastor if weren't for Charlie being there shows how much he actually cares IMO lol

[@cidevant002]

For as much he was annoyed, Lucifer at least sees that Alastor is not harming Charlie. If Lucifer did thought Alastor was a danger for his daugther, Alastor wouldn't even be a thing anymore.

[@MillyKKitty]

I think why Lucifer allowed the exterminations in the first place is because he feared for his possible future children. Adam specifically mentions in episode 1 that they leave hellborns alone, so it must be important information. I feel like the exterminators wouldn't have left the hellborns out of it IF there wasn't some sort of deal made beforehand. I believe this deal might have been made without Lillith approval, so she must have been disgusted with Lucifer since she THRIVES in Hell, and might still believe in sinners like Charlie. She must be signing contracts with Overlords to begin an uprising against Heaven.

[@Stormkrow280]

When exactly does he says that they leave hellborns alone?

[@barbararab6390]

​@@Stormkrow280 lute mentions that its because of lucifer that Charlie and other hellborns arent exterminated

[@MM4TuT]

on that note of the hellborn being left out When Lucifer sais he dosn't want to lose it all again it first shows the spears of heaven being directed at him and then they are directed at Charlie and with the line "Now you're the only thing worth fighting for" Lucifer pulls her away from them

[@FeministCatwoman]

Watch Lilith turn out to be the big boss behind the exterminations. Or some other crazy twist like that

[@sophie1680]

​@@FeministCatwomanYeah, I mean, I am kinda sus of Lilith ngl! The way she seperated Charlie and Lucifer was odd 🤔

[@acedreamer2004]

“More than anything” actually made me cry which I didn’t expect. I’ve added the song to my watch later playlist because it’s one of those songs I really just can’t get enough of. Like, if I could describe this song in one word, it would without a doubt be: beautiful. Because it was. I was SO *AMAZED.❤️‍🔥* The line that first made me teary was “I’ve missed that smile.” Like, dude. WHAT? How does this show keep hitting us with the most amazing songs?😭 It’s my number one favorite song in the show by far. Other favorites are Poison and Respectless

[@icemagiciangh]

Ikr. I kept rewinding it to that line. Just… She’s talked negatively in the past about her dad, but that duet… My heart, man.

[@Chayok_Art]

Same

[@cosmotv5297]

THIS is exactly how I feel!

[@HXD_4EVER]

More than anything song is just remind me of my dad

[@acedreamer2004]

@@cosmotv5297 Gotta love the Eda profile pic

[@galaxystargazer3806]

Dude I’m not kidding I cried at the more than anything duet between Charlie and Lucifer 🥲🥲🥲

[@Purpylon]

Arthur Weasley got his answer. A flamethrower. That's the function of a rubber duck.

[@brolytriplethreat]

You mean Arthur or did the movies gaslight me

[@Purpylon]

Yes i mean Arthur, my mistake@@brolytriplethreat

[@MetaLatias5]

Reminder that Lucifer did fight, as Lute tells us in episode one, he got all Hell-born Demons a pardon to be spared from being killed by the Exorcists. He couldn't convince them not to do their yearly purges altogether, but he did manage to convince them to leave Demons like Charlie alone at least. His priority was always to keep her save Also he gives me a lot of not only Depression but also ADHD vibes, which only makes him all the more relatable to me

[@greysonalex]

honestly he gives auDHD vibes and thats great as someone who also has auDHD.

[@kokopuff5836]

As someone with daddy issues yes I was bawling my eyes hearing “I’m grateful your my father/daughter more then anything” UGHHH MY HEART 😂😂😂

[@TDArulesclub4]

SAME. I hadn't ever cried with this franchise before, but that song and line hit me every time. 😭

[@reggielacey2235]

​@@TDArulesclub4didn't ask you

[@zatanna8355]

​@@reggielacey2235 Bro why ur so mean?

[@NEBULA-u2x]

I am in hospital rn bc of my heart can't take this

[@kokopuff5836]

@@TDArulesclub4 SAME I was trying so hard so not cry while singing it every time

[@CatGold5047]

Alastor's Dadness here is just cute, if petty and jealous af. And More than Anything with Lucifer and Charlie 😭💙 my HEART

[@dragonqueennyx5213]

"This has to be perfect....HEEEYY BEEETTCCHH" also had me on the floor 🤣🤣🤣

[@Orion_TheyThem]

I think Lucifer is "fighting" kind of. When you see the archangels surrounding him with weapons and then those weapons aim at Charlie? I'm pretty sure if he tries anything or gets involved with the exterminations they'll go after Charlie and the hellborn too. Because in the very first episode, Lute told Charlie that her "daddy got a pass" for her and all the other hellborn. So I think it's a combination of he's depressed, can't dream anymore because heaven punished him for it, and threatened his loved ones if he acted against them. Also, he's still wearing the wedding ring and Charlie said split. Split doesn't necessarily mean divorce. They could just be separated for right now because of the reasons you said. Until they say they're divorced, I'll hold out hope they will reconcile.

[@CaffeinatedSquirrl]

I pay really close attention to the colors of Hazbin Hotel because when something is animated, it's never for no reason, and something really interesting is that during More Than Anything, as Charlie finishes singing that she has to save her people more than anything and as Lucifer finally clicks and understands who his daughter really is, you can see his eyes flicker into a brighter shade of red several times- as if he's finally seeing some kind of light and hope for the first time in millenia

[@MTTT19]

“More Than Anything” is my favourite song.

[@AV-jh2ss]

“Hell’s Greatest Dad” instantly reminded me of “Never Had a Friend Like Me”. Loved the reference to the golden fiddle. “More Than Anything” is the best song of the season so far. Both songs should be a case study for Disney animators on how to make great songs again.

[@CrownofMischief]

Same for the first point, especially with the multiple lucifers acting as backup singers/dancers

[@jimballard1186]

This theory is way out there, but I halfway wonder if Alastor is Johnny from Georgia, who lost a fiddle contest and now is doing his best in Hell.

[@CrownofMischief]

@@jimballard1186 I thought Johnny won that contest?

[@IceMetalPunk]

100%. They took Genie's song, modernized it with a hint of electroswing instead of just pure swing, and made it into a duel. I love every second of it.

[@jimballard1186]

@@CrownofMischief He wins in the original song, but in the rematch in the sequel song, the ending is left undeclared.

[@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996]

I never thought I would see Husk trembling in fear but now that I have, I just wanna give him a big hug and tell him everything's gonna be okay. The poor little kitty...😢

[@abthedragon4921]

Same!

[@ashleysilver1445]

I wish my dad had as positive a reaction to my coming out as Lucifer did Charlie's.

[@Gaze-fu4bv]

I feel you

[@SalutationsEveryone]

I wish I can come out to my parents 🙂👌

[@Therealvelvette]

@@SalutationsEveryonesame

[@BlueShellshock]

Love the Lucifer/Alastor power dynamic. Lucifer's all like "I'm the king of hell, I can help you Charlie", but Alastor's like "I can say fuck you to the king of hell, and you can't touch me because I was actually there for Charlie."

[@mariabravo2705]

1) Alastor is not a softie 2) Alastor is just saying the dad thing to piss off Lucifer 3) Charlie is similar to Lucifer not Lilith

[@alllittlethingzz]

Yep!! He’s so easy to read through and plus he’s a hypocrite as well considering the fact he sold his soul as well!!

[@Rayni_XZ.o]

1)Alastor might be not softie, but fucking hell, he really cares about this place and people in the hotel, he literally just broke his friendship with someone he knows since alive that's fucking big. I'm guessing it's because he's on Lilith's leash and she told him to defend her daughter, since she can't, for exchange of course, she provided him with power he has now. (just a theory)

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

I feel like he was mainly saying it to piss off Lucifer but his feelings are, secretly based on things he actually feels. His words to Mizmy later indicate he cares about the hotel much more then he lets on.

[@WelcomeApathy]

@@Rayni_XZ.o Him getting the power from Lilith makes sense. I have to wonder if he actually killed all those overlords. By Mimzy's story, no one knew what was going on until the screams broadcasts and then Alastor claimed to be the one who did it. I am also curious if maybe the overlords weren't killed per se, but instead they're harnessing the overlords' power or something.

[@edas_requiem]

This episode got everyone with daddy issues re-living the times they wanted to have a musical number with their dad instead of screaming at each other. …….no? just me? Ok.

[@-XOSMIC-7512]

??

[@Dragonsting21]

It’s not just you 🥲

[@lollyking6318]

I never had a father fits this under Daddy Issues?

[@mariii__881]

​@@lollyking6318 I guess so 🤷

[@QTEila]

the devil went down to georgia reference with the golden fiddle has me infinitely happy.

[@reececapati7297]

15:25 Alastor:"Whose been here since day one, Whose been faithful as a nun." That should have been Vaggies lines. Alastor stole them! #Chaggie

[@kingmatthewlego]

26:40 remember in the first episode the angels said they had a deal with Lucifer not to kill Hellborns. It seems the deal was in exchange for that, he would allow the mass slaughter. I think if he did fight back, while he couldn’t win, he could certainly do damage to the angels. But that would put hellborns like Charlie in danger. Makes sense both sides would want to avoid that.

[@alejandromaldonado6159]

Sinners overpopulating are a threat to the Hellborn as well. Both Hell and Heaven benefit from the extermination.

[@DapperPhantom]

Them putting elk screaming in the background whenever Alastor brings out his full demon form is always such a fun touch

[@Unitato152]

26:40 I know it may seem like the bare minimum, but Lucifer was still the reason why Charlie, and the rest of the Hellborn, were spared from the yearly Exterminations. Meaning had he not done so they would've wiped out the entirety of Hell, including his family. Despite his absence in Charlie's life, and his initial disapproval of her vision, you at least can't say that he didn't care or didn't fight for her.

[@mrcreeper6177]

thank you

[@Purplefoxess]

Also he’s not disproving her vision because he’s depressed or he lacks faith in Charlie. It’s because he know how heaven is and in the next episode literally everything he warns her about of heaven happens. They don’t listen, they’re not open mind about a possibility with actual prof and because Charlie choose to stick her case Adam makes her the first target.

[@TheShakenBacon420]

Look at Vaggie face when Husk asked “you got daddy issues?” She got mad at him 😂❤