Why Light Placement On Your Rifle Really Matters

[@libertarianGO]

I disagree. I have tried every position and at night the small amount of smoke from even suppressed rounds, blocks your field of view within 2 shots. I've tried it from several different rounds and several different powders. Please try at night without background light. It makes a huge difference!

[@libertarianGO]

@@southernpartisan1772 so how bright is that because I use a 1000 lumen and an 800 lumen streamlight and I force respectively. I have also tested surfires and olights.

[@libertarianGO]

@@southernpartisan1772 you're right on wanting to move after firing shots. But the position actually plays a huge difference in the smoke reflection. Humidity is the second biggest factor. As a note the brighter the light the more the smoke reflects on top.

[@libertarianGO]

@@southernpartisan1772 I live in the middle of nowhere and have tried it during all seasons. Humidity plays a big part too so try to see if you can shot at night during a humid night.

[@libertarianGO]

@@southernpartisan1772 lol I'm from north Bama! Roll tide brother!

[@bglenn2222]

@@libertarianGO the lumens does not matter. The 's Candela is what matters to press through photonic barriers like smoke, fog, glass, etc. Use something like the Modlite OKW which had 63,000 candela and you'll understand. The lumens doesn't mean jack if you can't project it.

[@DeltaZuluActual]

You know, they have risers now so you don’t really have to worry about wml placement. So really, light placement is not wrong, it’s user preference.

[@IrishPennant0311]

I used to run lights at 12 o’clock and loved it, but I had to change once I acquired night vision and an IR Laser, which as an aiming device, needs that top rail.

[@crakt7015]

Every week you got me considering changing my set ups. Love coming here to get good theory videos like this. Thank ya

[@Tier1Citizen]

They're hard learned lessons that I choose to share with you guys.

[@Sevendeucegroup]

…Read between the lines ……dictated by Siri While Enjoying a fresh dip of Copenhagen… fuck offending students and instructors… Right is right brother… However, I have to disagree… You can’t change your kit over one oddball scenario… Having more combat experience than I would like to admit, I can’t think of any time In any of my fights where I thought fuck that offset light, nobody in the teams mounts the light 12 or 6 o’clock , There is a reason for that…other equipment gets in the way and that Blindspot could cost you your life… The bestTo overcome what you’re talking about they have your red dot offset and your light offset on the opposite plane… Main optic being a LPVO..So yes we can scenario all the aliens are coming tin hat stuff all we want… But in the one in 1 million chance do you have a crack through brick , add the light is too hot for nods…simply rotate your weapon 2:30 White and flag your target… Engage… In my experience, and having spent time in the actual tier1… It’s my opinion do you want your light as far from your optic as possible on the same plane… You do not want to light up your smoke in front of your optic… That’s a good way to lose your target and potentially your life…I’m not a KZbin guy and I tend not to say anything ..rock on man.. you do great things I love that you encourage training more citizens need that, I don’t have all the answers but personally I disagree with this one… SFOD-D 5113 ALPHA1 Edit… This is the first I’ve heard of anybody with any credibility doing this… I looked into it for a little bit here… Some strong arguments are made… I just don’t see it in combat… However one thought is maybe get a rail that’s a longer inch or so… We ran BCM quad rails Right out to the muzzle device… You never want to use your barrel for a rest you know…So I will slightly agree with mounting it at 6 o’clock with a bit longer rail on your load out… But that’s as far as I will go even after the research… And again nobody gives a shit about me and my opinion that watches this but I just wanted to put it out there

[@Tier1Citizen]

I read the whole thing and I appreciate the input.

[@libertarianGO]

No I agree and appreciate your input as well. I have had similar experience in lighting up the smoke when putting at 12 oclock

[@BRONXDEVILDOG]

Great write up bro. Thank you. Covered a lot that I no lo ger need to write.

[@bombsaway6340]

Took a class with Larry Vickers last year, and he has his rifle configured as you have in the video. Changed my setup to match and find it much easier to use. Got rid of wires and pressure pads, less crap to break or get hung up on something. The loss of a bit of site radius is no issue, after all, they’re back up iron sights.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Boom!

[@dragonfighter83]

I run mine at the 6 o'clock. Still in the same vertical plane as my optic and allows for a flatter package for storage.

[@l337l0gan]

Only problem with that is if you ever go prone. Otherwise I'm with you. I've ran mine there before too. Alot of pros, just one or two cons.

[@dragonfighter83]

@@l337l0gan Yeah the only issue I've truly encountered is posting on a barricade. Given it's on a 11.5 my real-estate is limited. Posting off my hand on the barricade gets me around that.

[@TheVikingSailor]

So, mounting at the 12 o’clock has always been something I prefer for the reasons you explained. I subscribe to the philosophy of as lightweight as possible and simple as possible. That means not having wires zip tied around the rail. Not having things to get snagged. I can operate the light from either hand on either side. If my optic has line of sight so does my light. That being said the challenge is finding a light that you can mount that doesn’t block your lower 1/3rd FOV.

[@Tier1Citizen]

I use the Surefire X300 U/B because it is low enough not to block things. I also like the INFORCE WML's.

[@TheTyrial86]

So I think you have made a very good argument for this. And I would add that this setup would depend on what is included in your kit. And why that is important is if you have Night vision at your disposal. If your enemy has night vision etc. If all I had is this? No night vision. No thermals etc. Then this placement is very good and makes sense. Thanks for explaining why you have positioned something.

[@225degrees]

Optimal sight radius is approximately 14.5". Kyle Defoor did a lot of research and testing to come to that value. Unsurprisingly that distance is the same as that found on a 14.5" carbine with a fixed carry handle. Which is also the same as a 10.5/11.5" carbine gas rifle with a fixed FSB and a rear sight. 12 o clock is optimal, I would argue 6 o clock is a close second.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Agreed.

[@BigJDinSC]

One of your best videos (minus the wind noise 😉).

[@Tier1Citizen]

Yeah that wind is my reality here in TN.

[@intuitivefugitive8852]

I wear the same gloves and love them over everything else

[@shadoweng15]

Good real world advice. My nearly finished Black Hawk Down A2 carbine clone has a 6 o'clock barrel mount flashlight.

[@freedomsglory1]

That’s pretty much standard on all my AR’s at this point. X300’s and TLR’s. My instructor buddy started me on that along with Vickers. If you’re not running a laser then you really have no reason.

[@Tier1Citizen]

True

[@rickypickles2219]

streamlight makes prety good lights...idk if surefires are worth 300 dollars...olight is right up there with them now

[@freedomsglory1]

Ricky Pickles I like my X300’s more then the TLR’s. Mainly because of the unity tactical hoods that make it very difficult to ND a light. If you’ve been in any low light no light classes you’d know how bad a light ND is. I’d just consider a surefire because of the hood. Also resale surefires x300 under $300 or under $200 even are highly recommended. Just my opinion.

[@jacobmanalang8162]

@@freedomsglory1 x300 and tlr is VERY GOOD at 12. when i figured i liked the tlr up there so much i splurged for the x300. i probably wouldnt buy an x300 again so im keeping it. i could always sell a tlr and get a new one later. so i bought another tlr later and even a couple of the olights. plenty of pistol holsters made for tlr and x300 so it really doesnt hurt to try it if you like it, and sell if you dont. i really like being able to quick disconnect and slap it on another pistol or rifle

[@Knight_of_the_Old_Code]

I have my Surefire X300 @ 12:00 with a rail compatible pressure switch/pad mounted @ 9:00. I can easily switch from my normal grip to activate the light with my left thumb either momentary or constant (as I am a right handed shooter), but can use the buttons on the light itself if transitioning shoulders. I originally had it at the 3:00 position but changed after seeing this. It does screw me out of sight radius a bit, especially on that 8.1" barrel, but not a deal breaker for me.

[@nonamer203]

well...if i can see the target through the narrow gap, no reason to use light. and if i'm situation that need to search possible threat, i'd rather use some where able to give me a wider view not to narrow gab. how do you think of this?

[@thickseed]

Good points.

[@pvtsnoballz]

That's because you're using logic

[@GUARDIAN.13]

Just Seeing someone and properly and responsibly identifying a target are two different things. This isn't call of duty you really don't know who is there and he or she isn't glowing red for you.

[@MikeSessler]

I had my light at 12 O'Clock on my AR Pistol, but to the side on the carbine. Not sure why. Just moved the carbine light, and dang if it isn't better. Also eliminates the need for the pressure switch, which makes the whole thing simpler. Simpler is betterer. I like it.

[@johndel1971able]

What light are you running? I been searching for something low profile so I can put mine at 12:00

[@MikeSessler]

@@johndel1971able I have a Streamlight ProTac HL-X on the carbine and a ProTac Rail Mount 2 on the pistol. Neither are what I'd call low profile, but they are bright and affordable.

[@Tier1Citizen]

You guys should look at either the WML from INFORCE or the X300 U/B from Surefire. Both are ideal on the end of a rifle.

[@MikeSessler]

@@Tier1Citizen I looked at both of them when I was light shopping. Got a screaming deal on the smaller light for the pistol at the NRA show a few years ago. When I moved to the country, I wanted a light that would light up 100+ yards around my house. The Inforce looked great, but only 400 lumens. The Surefire is fantastic, but 3x the cost of the Streamlight. As I'm not kicking down doors, the little extra size and weight is not a concern. Give and take with every decision.

[@innovacraft]

The largest barrier to learning anything is the fear of being embarrassed.

[@Tier1Citizen]

So true Krusty!

[@AmbGun]

I run either 12 or 6 because I want seamless dynamic Ambi (learned from paintball) and low snag operation. And exclusively a momentary switch for firefly like operation...light, fire, move.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Boom!

[@TheCamaro5]

tried this and the light just lights up the smoke and then you cant see. If you were worried about this one scenario then keep light at on sides and run a 45 degree red dot or irons and tilt the rifle to be able to see through that narrow passage.

[@Tier1Citizen]

It can cause that problem through a narrow opening but in this scenario it's about as good as it's gonna get.

[@DIYDad1]

Good timing on this video I just signed up for a night match next month. I have a pretty large light mounted on my top rail but it’s like a 45 degree offset slightly to the left. I’ve tried direct 12 o’clock mount but it covers my optic. I use a low riser on my LPVO so maybe that’s why. Might have to try a low profile light like a tlr-1 and see what it looks like. But I totally 100% agree with you on mounting stuff on the sides of the rails all that stuff can get hung up in one way or another. Usually my sling gets in the way and it sucks.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Don't use a TLR-1, you are better off using a WML. Also, you can ranger band a handheld light right to the front by tucking it right up under the edge of the top pic rail.

[@DIYDad1]

@@Tier1Citizen oh that’s a good idea with the ranger bands. I’m using a pic rail mount that accepts a 1 inch diameter light so I’m using a full size light right now but I like your idea so it sits totally flush I’ll have to try it out thanks for the idea!

[@user936]

Would you consider the 11 or 1 o'clock position a fair compromise? I'm thinking something like the Cloud Defensive Optimized Weapon Light (OWL).

[@Tier1Citizen]

Yep, as long as you're really close to the top center line you're usually good.

[@aileenhoop5810]

Excellent video!!! Thank you!!!!

[@Excalibur01]

I prefer light at the 12 o clock. I learned that from Larry Vickers

[@ShadowKirbz]

A few weeks ago I moved my hlx off the side of my rifle and replaced it with the wmlx on the top rail. Was mainly doing that to save weight but I see the advantage of it now. Thanks for all the videos you do. Lots of great info. Hope I can meet you in person someday.

[@Tier1Citizen]

I'm glad these videos are beneficial to you guys.

[@tangodown2721]

I can see mounting at 11 or 1 o'clock positions depending on if you're left or right handed. However top rail space is to precious to mount a light at 12 o'clock just to account for rare occurrences where you need to shoot through a small crack. I can't think of any common instances of needing to setup like that...unless you live by a barrel factory lol. 99% of the time you're going to either be on a vertical barrier like the edge of a building or a horizontal barrier like a car hood or a window sill. Why would I setup for the 1% where I might shoot through a door crack. That setup would be even less common in non urban foliage areas. I just don't agree with this one.. everyone runs their light in a similar spot for a reason. Its the most effective location accounting for real-estate of other items.

[@Tier1Citizen]

To each his own.

[@GUARDIAN.13]

Tangodown, Haven't trained in and/or around vehicles much have you

[@KiLLJOY1056]

I do light at 6 o clock and laser at 12 o clock, i personally need a laser to point shoot

[@gkt1127]

Where is my pec-15 supposed to go?

[@ComeOnPelican91]

tagged for interest

[@gkt1127]

PEQ*^

[@bizkit2147]

🤔🤔

[@musicman1eanda]

It's all about give and take. What are your priorities?

[@bigoz7]

Great video very informative and thanks for sharing as always!

[@ricknelson4764]

Good points, but I want to keep my irons as I trust them over any optic so miy lights will stay at 3

[@coryjanko]

Solid knowledge, as always. Thank you.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Thanks Cory.

[@fubar1217]

Check out the Streamlight TLR RM-1 or RM-2. Similar actuation to the WML but a slightly better quality light. I do like the 12 o'clock position for a light since the shadow created is in the field of view that gets blocked by the front of the gun anyway.

[@charliefoxtrot5001]

I managed to break 2 Streamlight TLRs. You get what you pay for!

[@fubar1217]

@@charliefoxtrot5001 Whatcha using now? I've been buying Modlites lately.

[@charliefoxtrot5001]

@@fubar1217 Surefire!

[@Tier1Citizen]

Nah I'll stick with INFORCE, they're made in USA. Streamlight has their stuff Made in China.

[@fubar1217]

@@Tier1Citizen Fair enough

[@jpoll4824]

Put the light on the spot that work 4 u the best 👌

[@nevercedes2070]

This feels like you tired too hard to over explain a complication that almost never happens . Purpose of a light is to have a proper sight picture of what you are engaging, why would I handicap myself with something that’s suppose to help me. I don’t want anything obscuring my view, when light hits smoke it gets even worse. I understand where you are coming from but it doesn’t seem more of a “best way” to set up but more of an “other way” to set up. Either way it’s set up, train with your layout, an offset red dot would fix the problem you have illustrated. Or PEC15 and NVG 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@tysond1397]

To all the highly skilled couch commandos talking shit with a mouthful of hot pocket... ABNER HAS A LIGHT ON THIS RIFLE...

[@Tier1Citizen]

Yeah that's right y'all, suck it!

[@greganderson1989]

Good information. Thx

[@hughgrection3052]

Good points to keep in mind

[@ponospur]

At night? I would never use a light at that distance. My ir laser/ illuminator does the trick. Even if I for some reason just grabbed my gun without NODS I would rather at that distance paint him with a visible laser than a light.

[@charliefoxtrot5001]

You can positively identify a target with am aiming device (laser)? Cool story, bro!

[@chuckscoby9431]

If you have shit falling off your rifle start with a beginner's class. As of your torch being at 12 in my opinion is a no go. For me 12 is a horrible placement position.

[@charliefoxtrot5001]

If you have shit falling off your rifle, then you didn't use Loctite Threadlocker!

[@Tier1Citizen]

Yeah!

[@Blueesteel_]

That wind noise my guy lol

[@Tier1Citizen]

Yeah even with a wind filter on my camera the wind still gets through sometimes.

[@WearilyMistaken]

Run at 45 and have front sight

[@randelldarky3920]

I keep my light @ 6 O'Glock. On the side casts a weird shadow.

[@cnclife2739]

Everything has positive and negatives.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Yes it does.

[@andrewbarnes7313]

Which suppressor do you suggest?

[@Tier1Citizen]

I would suggest only screw on cans rather than QD mounted ones. There really is no reason to take your can off anyways. Just put it on, leave it one, and train with it.

[@andrewbarnes7313]

Thank you sir

[@Tier1Citizen]

Yeah man

[@MichaelLiporace4074]

Abner what suppressor are you running on your rifle

[@Tier1Citizen]

That is a Gemtech SOCOM.

[@nightnday6675]

If id had to shoot thru a narrow gap and need acquisition id wait till he turns on his light….

[@Tier1Citizen]

I've done before in training. I often do night classes and just wait for the other guys to turn on their weapon lights then I take my shots off of their light.

[@truthseeker1833]

I have always ran my light on top

[@avogev]

is there a con to 6 oclock in that case? 6 vs 12?

[@Tier1Citizen]

Not as long as you know how to reach and activate your light there. I used to do it that way when I had a quad rail so that I could take advantage of the full length of the handguard for my back up sights.

[@avogev]

@@Tier1Citizen in your experience with barricades or shooting while resting the gun on something for cover, would the 6 oclock position light be a bad idea?

[@Tier1Citizen]

Not really, if you look at this article you will see that that is how I ran my DD MK18. img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/f6c2a23e-38c9-4485-baf2-e7f5802dbde5/downloads/1brfijd31_360215.pdf?ver=1641946262275

[@xnorcal831x]

My favorite thing in paintball was breaking down the room. Poking your head out and bringing back in. Maybe try putting a mask on and have someone try to shoot you while you tuck in and poke out. Check out mojos latest video of milsim airsoft. I feel it does help cause you get highly motivated guys want to fight back. It makes you constantly improve.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Dude, Milsim is awesome training!

[@MrProfchaos71]

As I walk into the living room to go change my light position 😂

[@Tier1Citizen]

Go to it :)

[@AvocadoAtrocity]

What about the 6 o'clock? 🤔

[@Tier1Citizen]

That works too.

[@intensifier2182]

Suggestion if running ir laser?

[@Tier1Citizen]

I have none for that. That is not something that is in my wheel house. I run straight-laced rifles designed for those with a light infantry mindset.

[@keiththom2240]

So how do you plan on running IR lasers/illuminators?

[@Tier1Citizen]

I don't run IR lasers/illuminators, if you do then you'll have to run a different set up obviously.

[@ahmadcampbell2626]

Good Stuff

[@johnkonstantine9115]

I love light placement on a rifle, always indicates where the adversary is with his gun lit up. I use night vision & green laser, so flashlites are like beacons....unless there are dozens of them in ATF uniforms.LOL

[@Tier1Citizen]

Yep

[@charliefoxtrot5001]

So, a bump in the night and the first thing you do is put your $5,000 helmet on, right? 👍 Night vision and a visible green laser makes no sense to me! 🤷

[@johnkonstantine9115]

@@charliefoxtrot5001 If sleeping At night your eyes are adjusted to your surroundings, so a light is not needed. the laser gets turned on when you have identified the position of the threat. A flashlight just gives away your position & that is not good if the perp is armed. Night vision is for roaming the property or sitting still in the house waiting for a Biden voter to come get some.

[@charliefoxtrot5001]

@@johnkonstantine9115 Get some actual low-light training, because none of this makes sense! A home intruder blinds you with his flashlight and you are screwed. You start shooting at the guy with the flashlight. Then you flip the room lights on and realize that you just shot the firefighter who tried you to rescue you from your own burning home. That was just one example. There is a reason why trained people talk about positive identification. A light gives away your position and a visible laser does not? LOL! By the way, good luck hitting a moving target with a laser in the dark. Reality is a little bit different from your movie-version of life. A flash light has multiple purposes, including improving your situational awareness and positively identifying threats.

[@johnkonstantine9115]

@@charliefoxtrot5001 so my house is on fire? why didn't you say so? LOL

[@blacktoastmcbiscut8650]

Not saying you're wrong, but wouldn't 45 off sets fix the problem, too?

[@Tier1Citizen]

Not through a narrow opening it won't.

[@blacktoastmcbiscut8650]

@@Tier1Citizen Well I guess there must be trade offs somewhere. I'm more concerned with being able to get right back to it Incase an optic fails, some how gets destroyed, I think for speeds sake it's faster to cant the gun than to pop off the optics with detachable mounts. Just running things through my mind. Even though it's will hang off the side, what is your opinion of the 45 sights with a small 3:00 light for dealing with those small gaps? It works in my head, but I haven't seen it in practice. Not interested in competition, btw.

[@Tier1Citizen]

I've tried the offset stuff and it doesn't blow my skirt up. Way too many angles to contend with.

[@blacktoastmcbiscut8650]

@@Tier1Citizen Yea? I'll have to try both and try to see what works best for me if I can get some time off from work to practice.i know I want my light on top because nothing is hanging off the side and the button is right in line with my thumb, and that works canted or not. I don't want a pressure pad where I can accidentally light myself up and get clapped.

[@jackwicker]

I'd love to have my WML mounted at 12:00, but if I do it obstructs about a third of the field of view of my LPVO.

[@johndel1971able]

I'm in exactly the same boat. I even tried using a riser on my lpvo to clear the light but the it's just way to high and looks ridiculous. I've been debating on trying a low profile pistol light. Right now I'm running a streamlight weapon light 650, and while it's bright, it's bulky. Having the slimmest footprint on a combat set up makes the most sense.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Look into replacing your LPVO with an ACOG, it plays nice with lights out front.

[@jackwicker]

@@Tier1Citizen Acogs are nice, but if I had Acog money i'd probably just get a nicer LPVO and throw it in a 1.93" mount. Currently using a ~$220 primary arms scope on one of their absolute cowitness height mounts.

[@noHandle1776]

@@johndel1971able mode to a dot or like he said a prism and dot.

[@johnrice1943]

I use 2 or 6, but always 6 for the switch

[@gkt1127]

You will most likely accidentally hit your switch when it is in the 6 position , everyone is different but from the training I did at night I pissed a couple people off with some flashes.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Careful with that switch placement. I attended a class last year where one of the guys had three ND's with his light switch.

[@Tier1Citizen]

@@gkt1127 Yeah nothing pisses people off more than causing incoming fire from a light ND.

[@MisfitMaxx]

great video. i never thought about that. I now will place my light at 12 o' clock!💪💪💪

[@TooManyChoices1]

A2 front sights for life …lol

[@gaigejones3947]

Or you could take half a step back and just hold your rifle and fire through the gap.

[@thickseed]

I was thinking the same.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Have you ever discharged a rifle near a static object? The backlash is mind boggling and will send particulate matter back into your face. Not to mention the overpressure is tremendous. It's more doable with a can on your gun but an unsuppressed rifle will rock your world if you do that. You are better off pushing the barrel through the aperture to take your shot.

[@108pel]

👍🏻 Some *tactical cool minded* ‘warriors’ will feel their toes..

[@Tier1Citizen]

Probably.

[@NestorNegronDiaz]

Mine's at 6 o'clock...

[@Tier1Citizen]

If it's on a quad rail then you're golden. However, if you've added a rail segment you'll want to make sure those screws don't come loose on you.

[@jeeplife2035]

I had to tape my light to my tactical Hi Point so there’s that 😑

[@Tier1Citizen]

Blam!

[@jeeplife2035]

@@Tier1Citizen I wish I could post a pic of this tacticool weapon for all the world to see but I’m not too sure ppl could handle the majesty of this lethal weapon I have…. It’s quite remarkable lol

[@Tier1Citizen]

You must find a way, the world can't exist without laying eyes upon such excellence :)

[@jeeplife2035]

@@Tier1Citizen I tried taking pics of this beast but the ductape kept coming off. But nothing a bit of JB weld won’t fix. I’m the envy of the shooting range with this monster lol.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Yeah!

[@bladez4200]

Warrior !!!

[@Tier1Citizen]

Only if I have to be.

[@paulbonczyk1849]

Good video

[@fraxonthefurry21]

I blue loctite all my accessories.

[@noexcuses6727]

what about 6 o:clock?

[@Tier1Citizen]

I cover that in the video.

[@Its_Esoteric]

Wouldn’t you just work with your cover or concealment at that point? Two steps to your left or right you can get a better sight picture than a crack. I’ve never seen a real world situation with what you have put done is a real thing. It’s not like we are fighting through kill holes in hard stand buildings

[@Tier1Citizen]

Thanks for your comment.

[@rickypickles2219]

might sound stupid but airsoft(milsim) is actually really good combat training...

[@Tier1Citizen]

Yes it is!

[@jerryricee3385]

Can you train me ?

[@Tier1Citizen]

Yep! Take a look at my training page. tier1citizen.com/training-1

[@grayzonecomedyYT]

Also disagree. Light at the 12, especially on your suppressed AR is going to block every below your can.

[@Tier1Citizen]

So they say.

[@franciscallahan2529]

The smartest place for a light is in a drawer not on a rifle. Don’t need it! Too heavy and bulky. Just train yourself to use your eyes.

[@SheepDogNumber6]

Terrible advice

[@charliefoxtrot5001]

Get some low-light training!

[@Tier1Citizen]

Ok!

[@mosesm.3431]

This guy is pretty much the only guy on YT I trust to teach/tell me gun related stuff. *He knows his stuff.* Take heed to his wisdom my son.

[@Tier1Citizen]

Thanks Moses.

[@ryanpittman1034]

So sad

[@Knight_of_the_Old_Code]

@@ryanpittman1034 Instead of making empty statements, enlighten us all with your vast knowledge/experience so that we may all learn from one another...and that goes for your own personal comment as well.