Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying on Evolution, Innovation, and Western Civilization

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Hi friends! This is the first part of a long two-part interview that covered a LOT of ground together with Bret and Heather. It's also the first of our new remote setup. As always, we strive to make everything we do beautiful and I'm excited that these remote interviews will make for really interesting contributions to our documentaries and video essays. I hope you enjoy the conversation and look forward to hearing more from you all below!

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Good idea... so... a video on the basic, age-old pursuit known as "philosophy". I might struggle to capture the whole of philosophy as a concept in one video, but I like the challege!

[@jaredherring958]

@@docwhammo Just took nine minutes to watch your entire catalog of videos...... Punching up a bit huh?

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Your video viewing speed is impressive. Maybe I'm a little dull today, but I don't know what you mean by "punching up".

[@jaredherring958]

@@DadSavesAmerica I was replying to @doccwhammo's comment which I took to be pejorative (perhaps I'm dull and took it the wrong way, if so I sincerely apologize) and was trying to say that I didn't feel he had contributed enough to any conversation at least on you tube to criticize anyone who has clearly put such an enormous amount of effort into platforming conversations and ideas that are typically not available to participate in as an audience in such an honest and open format. In other words I was trying to defend you (not that you needed it). Lol. But I appreciate conversations like these and and detest when people try to devalue or dismiss someone with criticism that is neither substantive or relevant in any way. It was his videos I was referring to watching in nine minutes.

[@jaredherring958]

Thank you for clearing that up.@@docwhammo

[@mellochord]

Brett and Heather speak in a way that is intellectual, deep, thoughtful, and I understand every word because I believe they have not only thought out the concept but the way to communicate it so that the ideas become accessible, even if the listener doesn't agree, they will know why they have a specific opinion one way or the other. This is a talent of communication most people either don't have, or don't have the integrity to use it.

[@Bitterrootbackroads]

Agreed, and yet when I try to explain the same to those near & dear, they check wikipedia or some fact checker site they love, and decide the Weinsteins are an internet cult. They will not listen to anything I suggest and tell me to carry on with the crazies.

[@neomacchio4692]

💯 well said

[@neomacchio4692]

I’ll add that I’ve come to my own conclusions through reading books, life experiences, and long form podcasts. I recently posted something about the economy online and got attacked by a bunch of “liberals.” Why? Because a “Fox News” logo was on the image in my post. I know some of the “liberals” personally. They’ve read zero books on finance, personal development, economics, sociology, and their lives are a wreck. These “liberals” listen to corporate media and devour that garbage. It’s not “news.” It’s state sponsored propaganda. Again, they’ve read nothing, they hate Trump, they hate Joe Rogan, they hate Elon Musk,, they vote in progressive’s with horrible progressive policies. They’re literally BRAINWASHED by the state sponsored propaganda and they REFUSE to read, or listen to anything else because the STATE SPONSORED PROPAGANDA character assassinates and vilifies ANYONE who goes against the narrative, whether true or false. The new “liberals” are not tolerant. They’re not kind. And they’re certainly NOT LIBERAL.

[@neomacchio4692]

@Debra-en4krwhich of the ‘many’ subjects?

[@bellelacroix5938]

I'm in my 60s and hold a degree and a half towards an Ma and I have to say that I have never learned so much as anything as I have from these two who got me through not only covid in lockdown but cancelation by my own family because of my steadfast belief system that does not allow for bulshit. So grateful and grateful to anyone who hosts them so we can get even more than their weeklies which are so delightful and insightful.

[@kriswalter560]

Thanks to all 3 of you for being secure and adult enough to let each other finish your thoughts and explanations without interrupting.

[@miyojewoltsnasonth2159]

agreed

[@edbernardmusic3599]

Heather finally let Bret finish a sentence? I'm skeptical.

[@cyan1616]

One aspect of the bubble wrapped kids phenomenon ties into corporate capture of Western culture... kids now grow up being told that they don't even have to work hard for anything, they just have to make the right "investments" and free money will come rolling in as dividends thereby only reinforcing and prolonging their infancy. I noticed this when I was modeling and exposed to many very wealthy people. One thing that stood out was the fact that these men were like spoiled 2 year olds who have never been told no in their lives, and that's probably true to an extent. And when working with/for wealthy people I was given instructions beforehand and coached on how to respond to them when questioned or requested to do something. I was told "never use the word no", because they would get furious and have a little internal meltdown. I did say no, a lot. Had one famous wealthy guy actually have his driver park his limousine outside a venue I was working and wait for me to come out because he just couldn't comprehend how I could say no to him. That job really opened me eyes to their true natures and it scares me.

[@jercasgav]

The way the system is set up, it is technically more profitable to live off of investments than to work (passive income). Labor/work is taxed at a higher rate than capital gains for starters, and the hours one can work each day are limited. Other investments like rental homes are full of deductions and different perks. Read books like Robert Kiyosaki's "Rich Dad, Poor Dad". Hard work should yield more profit than it does, but the rules (made by the elites), screw the average person, and the average person is too dumb and indoctrinated to see this for what it is. People still have zero clue that the middle class wasn't taxed on their income in any meaningful way until WW2 to fund the war effort...then it never went away and kept rising in amount. 100yrs ago Americans paid MUCH less in taxes, and society functioned just fine. We are taxed to death, and the way out of the taxes is being a parasite in the lower or rich classes, playing by sussy rules put in place that never should have been. BTW being good at investing is not being a child. Being a child is having others do everything for you, including the work of investing.

[@dawnemile7499]

You don't even have to interact with very wealthy people to see how dangerous they can be. Any zany idea they have can be forced on others. That's why I have thought that there should be limits on how much money an individual can have at any one tme and that insane people should not be allowed to have lots of money. Governments would have to enforce these restrictions but then they would be called totalitarian.

[@dawnemile7499]

Keeping on referring to evolution makes me doubt Brett's critical thinking skills.

[@skipjacks85]

@@dawnemile7499um yes, that’s the very definition of totalitarianism and your ideas make YOU sound like the zany, dangerous and insane one...

[@ShamanMcLamie]

​@jercasgav Reminds me of how the Roman senate gained a bunch of emergency powers in the aftermath of the Punic Wars(basically their World Wars). They never relinquished those powers and they were used to fuel an ever growing system of corruption. When men came along trying to institute meaningful reforms they were threatened, ostracized, attacked legally and physically. The most famous case being the assassination of the Gracchi brothers. Then Rome descended into a series of Civil Wars such as the Social War which could have been stopped if Rome had simply expanded citizenship to the allies like Gaius Gracchi had proposed instead the issue got him killed. The Marius-Sulla Civil War which left Sulla Dictator for life. The Caesarian Civil Wars which led to Caesar becoming Dictator for life and then the War of Actium which lead to Augustus becoming Emperor and truly ending the Roman Republic.

[@azurenojito2251]

Bret and Heather are the best teachers we could ever have. Thank God for them. :)

[@TheShootist]

one t in Bret

[@ReverendDr.Thomas]

Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤

[@nybergjm]

Love Brett and Heather. Two of the deepest thinkers in our era, while still maintaining a healthy level of humility and genuine care for the well-fare of other human beings. Without them, I'm not sure if I ever would have learned about the problem of complex systems or the role that an evolutionary lens can (and should) play in everyday decision-making. We need to protect these two at all costs. Also, the podcast host is clearly a sophisticated thinker himself, given the nuanced questions he posed and the manner in which he was able to introduce certain topics of discussion. Well done.

[@TheShootist]

one t in Bret

[@dwightwest2885]

I've watched everything Bret and Heather have done. I feel so lucky to have found them in 2017. Spread Truth and Love!

[@karenkline7221]

Remember that we also need to correct the curriculum for doctors to include much more nutrition, and how certain symptoms are simply caused by a toxin or a nutritional deficiency. Rockefeller changed the curriculum so people would buy his pharmaceuticals For some reason, nobody has corrected that for over a hundred years.

[@loishines240]

Real nutrition, not Pharma-funded ADA "nutrition".

[@denisevarner7308]

Rent seekers do not want to share any information at all. The competitive mind set operates on a deficit that there is never enough so I have take what I can to prevent anyone else doing the same.

[@jercasgav]

@@denisevarner7308 Exactly, too much profit to be made in hoarding info and by making chronically sick people interfacing with the system. The issue is the people making these choices are not looking out for our best interest, they seek their own best interest. People tend to forget that not everyone is moral or has the same interests driving them.

[@jaredherring958]

The schools, the labs, the grants, the courses, the journals, the governing agencies, the sales reps, the accreditations, the entire field is directly funded by the very people that make sure that is not part of the conversation.

[@HerWanderlust]

To reform broken medicine will take much more than changing the curriculum. The entire enterprise was built on denying our power to diagnose and heal ourselves, negating the ancestral wisdom, negating women’s wisdom, negating the power of our bodies to heal etc etc etc.

[@gabrialjackson5878]

Bret and Heather are so special to me. They are fantastic examples of human potential in regards to summiting new heights in thought. Graciously and gracefully giving example of how a couple can navigate together in all pursuits, and then giving so much context on how it can be done on a granular level. What exemplary human beings! I dont know much about complex systems but i cant wait to hear more from these two. Evolutionary biology has what to do with xyz? Almost everything? Tell me more...

[@dogstarsirius5280]

My second time watching this interview because its depth is Marianna Trench deep, and it needs to be brought to daylight! Thank you to all who participated!

[@tonybarker1335]

Bret and Heather are challenger deep❤😂

[@ericstromquist9458]

What a great, intelligent, open discussion between views grounded in different intellectual backgrounds, which ends up in a well-founded convergence.

[@DrRhysPritchardPhDMScBSc]

“Christ is lord”. Why ow why can such brilliant people advocate for the satanic actions of those who are supported by AIPAC 🇮🇱 financiers, that sanction the slaughter and starvation of thousands of children and women, because of this it unfortunately makes this podcast ultimately the sanctimonious, self righteous, hypocrisy of a frightened elite who fear being toppled off their privileged positions of power. “Christ is lord” and those who do not believe this seem to be sanctioning the satanic actions of both AIPAC 🇮🇱 and groups like ISIS and HAMAS. Hopefully they will all, including those doing this podcast, realise that when you support the satanic actions of AIPAC 🇮🇱 financiers it makes your whole argument morally bankrupt.

[@KJacobson-x3r]

I was so looking forward to Bret and Heather discussing the current state of our world and how we got here. They are both keenly aware that time is of the essence. Instead they got derailed. Is there a “we” and “them”? Good grief. When governments and media act in lockstep globally to curb the populace there is a “we” and “them”. There are protests occurring all over the world. David and Goliath would have been relevant about now.

[@skipjacks85]

100% agree. Well said. Was not a big fan of the “we/them” semantics that should have been self evident to John. I mean it’s so obvious at this point. Oligarchical Technocratic Globalism vs Self-determined Sovereign Americanism (Western Liberalism is prob more appropriate but some see the word “Liberal” and get triggered lol)

[@ianl5882]

Yeah I know what you mean. This podcast just didn’t really get there. I’m not sure that the host has the understanding of and capacity to explain and investigate the topics at hand. Seems like a well-being guy but I found that when he was talking I was always confused about what he was really trying to say.

[@anacerar6810]

The host hasn’t come across the fact that 7/10 was totally preventable and was actually a “white flag “for another conflict to begin . See one of the Jimmy Dore’s latest guests revealing it all !!! What is it with this kind of people that don’t see Love is the ultimate saviour ❤❤❤

[@neomacchio4692]

Phenomenal! Been a weekly listener of the DHP since they launched in 2020. (Correct?). And found DSA about a year ago! Love DSA too! I would LOVE to hear the three of you discuss parenting further. That was my favorite part, as a single dad. I am regularly introducing my 10 yr old daughter to problem solving. I see other parents that just do EVERYTHING for their kids and don’t ever tell or ask the kid to do anything. That’s insane to me/. I want my child to be able to first: identify a problem, then hypothesize how to solve it, and then troubleshoot and eventually solve it herself. It starts with things that seem stupid or inconsequential, like changing a roll of toilet paper. Seriously, some kids can’t do that… actually I know GROWN ADULTS who can’t change a roll of toilet paper or paper towels. Not joking. By teaching these basic concepts, I feel I’m setting my child up to be way ahead of the pack. There is ALWAYS a way to come to a solution. It’s a matter of believing that, and then taking a ready, fire, aim approach.

[@bellakrinkle9381]

You are a great Dad. Many kids never feel approval and love from parents. Unless the kid feels good about herself as a child, all adult relationships will be difficult. Please remember this reality. Tender empathy is vital. Keep up the good plan. ❤

[@wendellbabin6457]

There are no solutions. Only trade offs.--Dr. Thomas Sowell.

[@neomacchio4692]

@@wendellbabin6457Sowell is a hero of mine, and many others.

[@neomacchio4692]

@@bellakrinkle9381thanks for the kind words. My daughter is everything to me. So I do have to balance wanting to love her with allowing her to also solve her own problems. To even struggle or feel frustration and emotional pain even. I want to be the safe boundary around her life, with plenty of space for tripping and falling between her and that boundary.

[@dawnemile7499]

I graduated in the last fifty years and I disliked being forced into teams when I believed that good manners was just as important. Good manners as a necessary ingredient to good teams was ignored.

[@HerWanderlust]

Wonderful point!

[@kellythrash3154]

❤ Huge fans of Brett and Heather...! I'd like to let you both know that I first started listening and reading your books right before the pandemic. My son was 11 years old at the time. I knew very little about government manipulation and corruption at the time, but had come to recognize the genuine intelligence and wisdom, also the experience that you both spoke with. And one day, I was listening to Brett talk while I worked; something he said gave me pause. My mother was going to take my son to get vaccinated in the next week or so. You gave some very good reasons for your hesitation on this. I felt ashamed that I hadn't noticed what truly seemed shady on the part of the government. I called and told mom not to take my son- we'd wait! Now, a few years down the line, some of my son's friends at school are having cardiac issues. He and I waited it out. Thank you!

[@karenkline7221]

I agree that "the credential is not a good proxy for relevant experience".

[@bellakrinkle9381]

The reality is that most young people are broken and confused before they begin to get their credentials. It takes a long time to get one's head on straight - meaning discovering Agency and Owning ones own Mind. 😂

[@Metameinitiatedbycontact]

What Heather said about us Measuring things that aren't static in regards to evolution really resonated with me

[@catejames6453]

I love this couple. They’re good Americans ❤

[@grannyannie2948]

Towards the end of the conversation, where it was said that hyper novelty meant your childhood culture could be different to your adult one, I was struck that this has happened before historically. I thought of Samuel Pepys. As a child he lived under the reign of Charles 1, who was executed when Samuel was about ten. Then came the Puritan Oliver Cromwell. Next came Charles 2, the opposite of Puritanism. During this time Samuel worked for Prince James. Then James became king, and was banished when he turned RC. Samuel nearly got charged with treason. He wrote a 10,000 page defence. He survived at least one or two other reigns.

[@mattwa33186]

25 or so years ago, neo-liberal/neo-conservative policies were introduced that prioritize rent seeking above all else. Innovation has been stifled by a new prime directive, "maximize shareholder value". The basic principle that under capitalism wealth is a byproduct of creating value for others has been lost, and creating wealth by creating value only for yourself (which is rent seeking by every definition, and in this case "yourself" is the shareholders) has been glorified. That, along with ending prohibitions against price speculation in our securities markets (which brought us hedge funds and high frequency trading), has led us here. Stock prices are based solely on what the next guy will pay, not the actual value created by the corporation. 25 years ago, 75% of all corporate projects failed. Now it's somewhere below 20%, because the capitalist entities that were supposed to drive innovation rarely do anything unless they are sure it will succeed. It feels like innovation because things are changing fast, but it really isn't because we've traded intellectual speculation and experimentation for price speculation.

[@skylinefever]

I often call it "Line go up next fiscal quarter thinking." What's the long term cost? Whatever it is, the MBA will have his golden parachute to fly away.

[@vanessa1569]

Heathers point about how our eyes in comparison to cephalopod's, aren’t as well evolved was a major lightbulb moment for me. They always come when you least expect them right? Great discussion, thankyou. Looking forward to part 2👌

[@Deviation4360]

Heather and Bret create doctoral theses with every answer, simply amazing coherence of thought that I could only ever aspire to. So hopeful knowing that people like this aren't in the "They" category as discussed here.

[@vplan]

Humangous fan of Bret and Heather. They were instrumental in keeping my sanity during Cov.

[@emilymiller1792]

I do not have too much issue with a "sage on the stage", so long as there is interaction and inquiry with students. I want my teachers to know more than me and to have thought deeply how knowledge and ideas interact, all the better if the teacher is broadly educated and can, at least to some extent, connect across domains and invites students to learn broadly, too. Renaissance men can inspire others to become Renaissance men, too.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

I agree to a point. The problem is that actual knowledge transmission is low and poorly understood. I encourage you to check out my convo with Mike Gibson, who believes we're in a dark ages of education and brings the reciepts. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqDTg5mLm56Xbbssi=pCJVROs12aXq7PK0

[@emilymiller1792]

@DadSavesAmerica "actual knowledge transmission is low and poorly understood" I think we have a different understanding of what could be going on with a "sage on the stage" class lecture/discussion. I was extraordinarily lucky, I guess. When I think of my "sage on a stage" teachers, I think of inquiry, wonder, meaning making. My knowledge was extended, reinforced, and deepened overall. Mr. Keating from Dead Poets Society. Jordan Peterson. Perhaps most of my education came before the dark age of education, as you describe it. I was educated pre-NCLB--before standardized tests became the end-all, be-all. My teachers aimed for us to not just know but also to wrestle with and apply knowledge and ideas. Thank you for the recommendation. I will check it out.

[@markokrasa3584]

I love how much Bret gets to speak when heather and him are directly in front of who’s listening and speak back to them.

[@neomacchio4692]

😂

[@justineking5643]

The problem is that rational optimism does not account for malevolent forces that don't value the same things as mosr peole, In fact they don't value humanity. .At the same time these same forces are attempting to tightly controll all information. Mate, grand conspiracies by elites have existed throughout human history. You are just confusing your biases (which aren't really yours) with reason. Right now a handful of entities and people control whole industries all around the globe. Examples: legacy media; big tech; global health initiatives;. All of which allow control to be concentrated further. Such control does not happen by hard work alone.

[@skylinefever]

I love the Moldbug Cathedral explanation.

[@HH-ru4bj]

Well, they do and they don't. As a species we don't really identify with one another all that well, for instance I don't care what's going on in Danish politics, it doesn't affect me in my daily life what so ever, because they are not part of my community. But in a local communal sense, we must interact with one another directly on a regular basis, so we swiftly deal with negative elements that disrupt whatever communal harmony we seek to enjoy. However, those negative actors that act on a global scale that we do not interact with directly, are part of there own different community. They support one another, gather and distribute resources and deal with disruptions to their harmony similarly to how we do on a local level. The difference is their community is designed necessarily to exploit smaller communities, and are insulated by their wealth and lack of presence with others, so they develop different value systems. It's the same effect in my opinion just applied on a different scale.

[@eirecoleen]

​@@HH-ru4bj You can't justify psychopaths,& the pure evil they dish out on the rest of us- It's not even in the same ballpark, nice try💩

[@dwrtz]

love @DadSavesAmerica's question at 14:00. the simple answer is incentives! This was more or less Bret's answer, though he didn't use the key word (incentives)

[@menzicosce]

Heather has THE most soothing voice ever. If the comet is ever on its way and there is no hope Heather should be the one to deliver the news.

[@Coyotelover100]

Bret and Heather: So many times I have thanked you and again I wish to express just how much I appreciate your ability to address and articulate so much that is on the minds of so many. Thank you thankyou for caring about humanity as you do and that you sacrifice so much of yourself to move us all forward. Thank you.

[@bgladish]

What Bret and Heather do not understand is that government, far from being an institution that might control rent-seeking, is the very definition of rent seeking.

[@TheShootist]

Actually Jingles, that they understand quite well given they speak about rent seeking pols find crony Capitalists.

[@missh1774]

Love this! Woke up from my nap and this was playing in the background. First time in this channel. ...wtf (47:30) where have you been?! That's a sober amplification of the people's desire. Exemplary evocation of Mahmut Ghandi without the vanity or plea to the quagmire of a superhuman higher power. It is just as it should be and I think they would be very proud of us when looking down on this particular evolutionary lens. 1:03:00 I have never felt more native to this Earth until now.

[@Geezerelli]

The 2nd amendment is the firewall that fixes the problem

[@cherylschalk9106]

Bret’s observation about subsidiarity in Catholicism is a philosophy that is rooted in justice. Let’s promote that and stop supporting central banks, and the UN.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Subsidiary and free will/choice = Catholic social thought = classical liberal enlightenment governance. Wisdom rhymes.

[@liewcheng3111]

@@DadSavesAmericaafter all been said, the root causes are greed.

[@dfinma]

This is my first time hearing you and I can't quite figure out where you stand on various topics. I find B&H endlessly fascinating. They have altered and shaped my world view, and are largely responsible for me having a world view at all. I hope you found it a positive experience.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Thank you!! I’d love to hear about how they’ve shaped it. Where I stand somewhat depends on the issue. But overall, I stand for the sanctity of the family, individual dignity, the rejection of victimhood, the embrace of human potential, and maximization of individual freedom in peaceful pursuit of that potential. The closest functional label would be classical liberal. But all the labels suck. Oh, and I’m radically against communism and its variants and flavors because it’s murderous slave master philosophy that’s broken in theory and hell in practice.

[@dfinma]

@@DadSavesAmerica Simply stated -- viewing things through an evolutionary lens, the significance of the human software (cultural) layer along with shocking things like genocide and rape are rational from a biological perspective (but societies try to make these behaviors expensive). Layer modernity on top of all this and it's no wonder things are how they are. I don't have a political label but if I had to make up it would be reluctant anarchist.

[@wendellbabin6457]

1:11:30 But isn't the selfish gene now out of date somewhat given the later discoveries post Human Genome Project concerning Epigenetics? Selfish epigenes?

[@2Phast4Rocket]

The conversation that starts just after the 1hour mark is very interesting (1:04:00) They discussed why the human evolution is important to more than the gene, and somehow the human genetic allows the human to adapt much more than any other species on Earth. And the follow up conversation of the importance of religion has played in the human evolution in order to solve problems, and the traits are so unique to our human species, and are often dismissed by the atheist scientific community.

[@skylinefever]

I often think of "God genes" and how many people are able to actually get religion. How many can actually do it? How many at best can go through the motions?

[@frhythms]

Thank you. I absolutely love Bret. (Love Heather, too.)

[@ChrisSurdak-v2r]

The system isn't corrupt, corruption is the system.

[@SCplayer1000]

That's simply because humans are corrupt.

[@shj2000]

Tautological nonsense.

[@ericwillett8709]

Nailed it. We have clearly devolved from a once great Republic to a lesser great Democracy into a high level planetary Oligarchy. To use the Wizard of Oz man behind the curtain analogy, the global elites are pulling all the levers of government from top to local, and have left us proletariats with an illusion of freedom. They all lie, cheat, and steal to keep and gain power and seek more and more power through supernatural means. We all serve a master, either good or evil.

[@dorijoe]

I believe in enlightened governence. Brett for president! May peace prevail on Earth.

[@xqt39a]

I have been reading Putin’s Valdai discussions. He addresses these very same issues with great insight and thoughtfully,. Of course no one in the West pays attention to Putin’s Valdie group because of the power of Western propaganda.

[@Lovin_It]

CRT gave rise to similar studies in Sociology and education. Have they taken it all too far? Maybe. Probably. We wouldn't know how to challenge it unless we do the reading, correct? It's not frivolous. What I remember was there was a serious discussion about whether or not legislation could be properly fashioned to get the results desired, and the discussion led to deeper discoveries about the structure of society. If you are going to refute them, don't do it with lazy adjectives or catch-phrases. Do it with depth, compassion, style and substance.

[@ryanogden5635]

What a phenomenal host for this podcast. New subscriber here, thank you for your good work.

[@terribishop5313]

This needs to be ran on mainstream tv

[@Beesmakelifegoo]

I find your conversation very informative. Thank you for highlighting what one needs to understand. A key to raising children to have experience which will bring about the ability to think is of significant importance. Thank you.

[@mark4asp]

"I tend to see most of what's going on as intentional and I think they use the perception of what they're doing as incompetence as a way to cover up for their crimes a lot of the time. So I think ultimately what what we're seeing is an effort to, sort of, steer the world towards what I would refer to as a neo-feudal model" -- Whitney Webb.

[@lindsaytwort8655]

Every thing you say is correct. I have been a school teacher over many years and I have watched this generation of children Wrapped in cotton wool. Parents frightened to allow their children out of the house! Plus from toddlers they have been taught to amuse them selves on an iPad for hours on end. So now they live on TicTock. And sound bites. They can’t concentrate on a whole book. Way too much interference from parents on how their little darlings should be taught. Instead of leaving it to the Professionals! I just do not know, when this lot of Me. Me. Me generation become parents themselves. How on Earth it is going to go down, and turn out a decent ,intelligent, citizens.

[@elleyc8614]

Just a thought. When Heather says that Nature is not built for perfection stating the octopus eye against the human eye as an example, perhaps this is inconsistent with the way Nature and evolution works. Perhaps if we consider the platform in which She works which is a constantly changing reality and if we apply to Nature an awareness and purpose that requires that life is sustained (as I believe it has done for the past 95 million years) rather than a random series of events, then She would not choose any one function to be ‘perfectly formed’. Rather she would be creating diversity of form so to anticipate the changes and the variations that can adapt to a new reality. Having developed just one ‘perfect’ eye would be a foolish undertaking given the new circumstances that may have to be met. In diversity is the means to continuing survival?

[@wendellbabin6457]

Cephalopods and humans do not occupy the same niche either. One is cold blooded, one isn't. Totally different reproductive strategies and on and on.

[@lisablanchard8915]

just brilliant....you are the people that should be running the country...THE WORLD...pay close attention to what is being said...this is the time

[@DinoSvanhvit]

Good talk.Impressive these two.🙏👍

[@dandeeteeyem2170]

Learnt more about evolution, and the better way to see it, than any other discussion I've witnessed before. Mind blowing revelation to see "trimming back" as the key to all the shortfalls of Dawkins model.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Wow, really appreciated this application of Adam Smith (the extraction of rents, the commons) to our day. Really nicely done.

[@rudysmith9377]

Two of my favorite people to listen too.

[@SpartacusSF]

I appreciate Heather’s example of apoptotic pruning during neurodevelopment as an example of valid evolutionary strategy. It helps me justify overpacking for vacation.

[@Lovin_It]

Bret [and Heather], I greatly admire you two and Eric. What do you know about non-Western civilization and science. Almost nothing or nothing. I did a set of questions with an AI bot. How many unique tomes only on paper were lost to China; and how many were extant, prior to Gutenberg's Bible? This is just for illustration, another cool question is to list and numerically rank such tomes by various civilizations. Here's another one, quantify the extant body of works in Old English, how many 'modern novels' would it take to match the complete body of work? Very interesting answers, but most intellectuals are guessing in the dark. Is it that they don't know or don't care, or both?

[@HighPriestess-x2e]

Love Bret and Heather!!!!

[@amandaVice-zy6eg]

Another intelligent conversation without political rhetoric. I really like the scientific explanations from thoughtful people that have spent their careers with open minds and dedicated to their research.

[@HerWanderlust]

Great interview! Thanks for all you’re doing

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Thanks for watching!

[@glennmitchell9107]

I imagine gated communities and some isolated rural communities still let their eight year olds roam free. My suburban community has transients, drug addicts, the severely mentally ill, and coyotes roaming free, not by accident but by policy.

[@seahorse2]

Good point. I ran free as a child in a smaller city. My grandchildren run free, but all of my children chose a smaller community that allows children to run free. No drugs, crime, unnatural addicts, (where today in Canada, certain areas have Trudeaus government sponsored hard drugs), and the healthy community supports band, snowboarding, gardens, etc. Urban living was never thoughtfully planned for safety, children, green spaces.

[@seahorse2]

I ran free as a child. All my children chose a rural environment where children can run free, and build a healthy community. Urban planning did not take family needs into design.

[@HerWanderlust]

My partner ran free as a child in West Hollywood in the 90s…he was from the former ussr…while I was not allowed freedom at all while living in a much safer place

[@Lee-ol8gj]

The war games at Camp Wampanoag of Buzzards Bay, MA, was a great example of young boys being given the opportunity to experience dangerous operations to achieve a goal. Nothing like that exists today.

[@allisonleighandrews8495]

Really wonder how many lives these two have saved in the past 4 years by just existing. Evergreen and co., the internet is forever grateful for your very foolish sacrifice.

[@SuperMayhem81]

Dude. I listen to a lot of podcasts. First time listening to yours - and I have NEVER heard so many ads! You might get more subscribers if you tone it down. Seriously.

[@ArtU4All]

I am with you on the ads. But people have to eat. I decided to pay for KZbin Premium. The $12 about 5 years ago (more now) has been so worth it for not being interrupted and saved me so much time on all the channels I follow. Everything everywhere all the time cannot be free. One must choose where to start paying🌿🙏✨

[@SuperMayhem81]

I totally hear you. And I’m happy to listen to ads - but most other podcasts have way way way less of them. I’m sure there’s a setting to adjust how many are played. And this guy has it cranked up to the max. I’m all for ads, but this guy just seems greedy. Not a good look. Hence why I won’t be watching more episodes nor subscribing. Kind of a shame.

[@WearthH]

@@SuperMayhem81Best not to make assumptions. It’s possible creators have no control over the frequency of ads.

[@JR-Army-Veteran-Conservative]

Great conversation yet there is a simple explanation with a more complex solution here. Parents have either intentionally or accidentally handed their children's social growth skills to X, Facebook, Tiktok, etc. Friends have a significant impact on an individual's social outcomes and views of society. Fake friends and strategically placed advertisements (propaganda) can have even more impact. Parents need to stop allowing this to happen. We were able to keep our children off social media and they are happy. My wife and I abandoned it a few years ago. We are all very happy and loving the outcomes. Host a sleep-over and take the phones away! These kids have tons of fun without them and create amazing memories. Facts beat fiction.

[@janedonald1]

Parenting more important now than it ever was..... parenting has to be a priority

[@raycrow3718]

Another common sense breakdown by my favorite politician Dr. No

[@cfluff6716]

Bingo! “Expertise, Institutions and trusted EST. didn’t fail organically” Eric is so spot on here and for many reasons it just become more advantageous for the elites in all areas to abandon truth.

[@daniw5186]

Ok!!!! Eric July And now Bret and Heather!!! (Obviously more I didn’t list) DAD you are you doing great things to help save America in my opinion

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Thank you!!!

[@daniw5186]

@@DadSavesAmerica you’re welcome And thank you 😊 (No more thanking 😂😂😂😂)

[@wm3138]

Eisenhower warned us 60 years ago.

[@wendellbabin6457]

Problem was he wasn't aware of anything OTHER than the MIC. We are dealing with "complexes" in EVERY domain now. Especially the Political Industrial Complex and the Manufacturing Public Opinion Complex. (aka Propaganda)

[@Lee-ol8gj]

Eisenhower was instrumental in the difficult decisions leading to the success of D Day. His warning of the military industrial complex was less significant.​@wendellbabin6457

[@fnjsaunders]

Belief runs everything. Well meaning people start to believe in their own goodness and then try to push their beliefs because they are good. So innovation becomes good no matter what. Education is good no matter what. So the establishment makes rules like you must have a thesis to be elite. Little by little the process becomes more important that what is real. Science/education becomes corrupted and used for more power...

[@paigemccormick6519]

Speaking of plumbers: Too many listeners have had too many problems with plumbers, with electricians, with many of the physical trades to blithely trust those individuals. I think this is due to shifts in the dominant value of courtesy, social contracts, and of a job well done. Departments of Labor and Industry can neither 100% regulate nor ignore as the problems of cost and competence increase.

[@HerWanderlust]

Yes, people do not stand behind their word and their work anymore, it used to be the rule now it’s the exception

[@susanthursdays5008]

There is very little I share with Brett or Heather, yet, I will watch their content. I would like to see more of, just Heather, in a debate (I'd settle for a good conversation or interview). I have much respect for both Brett & Heather, despite our differences, I am thankful fo them, as I know they are sincere, dedicated, and very accomplish, both professionally and, as partners dedicated to raising their children. I just can not connect with Brett, and not for lack or trying, via listening to close to 100hrs of: podcasts, academic panels, interviews, discussions, etc. Heather is so easy on the ears, making it a pleasure to listen to her, as much as one can, when one just does not understand much of what she is speaking of, and disagrees with mostI do understand. This was an excellent interview. ❤️🕊☝️⚖️✍️⚔️🛡☀️🔥🌟💫🙏🙏

[@BertWald-wp9pz]

Superb discussion.

[@markrittman2437]

I have watched some of your shows in the past, and they seemed to have a neoliberal influence. This program introduced a layer of complexity, as I felt that the guests highlighted a distinct line between the interests of the community and the interests of market forces.

[@Spoeism]

Bret & Heather are both brilliant.

[@mark4asp]

Enlightened governance is what our rulers think they're giving us.

[@Lovin_It]

Dad, respectfully; you mentioned 'crazy [CRT]' and 'woke' in the latter half of the discussion. I suggest that we cease repeating ideas without digging deeper, irrespective of how distasteful or annoying these ideas are. As I would suggest to Elon when he suggested we 'stop talking so much about it as it would ...[make it worse' in June 2024... I suggest you take the time to read the first essay Kimberle Crenshaw wrote in Harvard Law Review in 1986, it's about 58 pages long, dense, and informative. It stemmed from CLS, Critical Legal Studies, and the Brown v Board of Education as well as LBJ's legislation are prominently featured in it. I encountered a second year student to get a copy of the essay, and she let me know she had to write an essay on the topic that required that she thoroughly read about 15 or more of her essays. She didn't seem to be worse for wear, I'm guessing she's just a bright young woman from possibly a conservative background. So don't be shy, all three of you should strive to be better informed than the adversary, otherwise we will catch on that you are too lazy.

[@cynthianorman44]

Excellently well stated by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Thank you.

[@stevenbeenaware]

Both I'd you are so intelligent and high vibrational. Yall give me hope for humanity. Thank you

[@curiousfella4076]

Not saying you should side with anyone here but as a first intuition, would you side with people who end other people or would you side with people who made a calculation that lying about systematic r*e (add an ap in the middle) is the proper course of action?

[@fnjsaunders]

Isn't "enlightened government" an oxymoron, especially given that power corrupts...

[@KungFuHonky]

The hubris of people who see themselves as gods that would make the world wonderful if only others had their brilliance, is frightening. These people never ask themselves "At what cost?" "What if I am wrong?" and "What could be the unseen consequences?"

[@glennmitchell9107]

The ancient Romans had a sort of relevant experience requirement for their public officials in the Cursus Honorum, which was a sequence of public offices that candidates had to perform successfully before moving on to the next. A modern Cursus Honorum may not be required under the Constitution, but nothing prevents our political parties from adopting such.

[@mackenshaw8169]

This year I taught English as a second level at a medical school here in Paris. The students were excellent in memorising vocab, presenting case histories and role playing consultations and such. However, they were utterly unable to calmly and rationally defend anything associated with Covid be it masks, vaccinations or lockdowns. Their reaction was instaneously wildly emotional complete with flared nostrils and genuine fury that utterly choked anything like a calm or rational response.

[@jayumble8390]

This was simply fantastic!

[@loniousmonk]

1:07:00 This “overproduction” or “explorer modes” thing may also be applied to child (and maternal) mortality in humans in say the 18th century, where we view it as very grim and terrible. But it seems that much of our genetic fitness today is thanks to our ancestors who struggled to have enough resources to give birth to many children who ultimately died, or to daughters who were never fit enough to survive their first pregnancy.

[@Lovin_It]

29:00 Bret. Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. Sometimes, I wish I could refrain from posing the following enlightening question because it's more amusing to see Westerners continue in complete ignorance. Nonetheless, here it is, pass it up at your own expense. What leader of national stature in world history was the first to legislate both the end of slavery and land reform in the same calendar year? Can you guess where and when this happened, and for the civilization involved in the answer, how many times did such leaders end slavery before Wilberforce claimed merely the end of slavery in the West [we are letting him off, not counting land reform for this question]? Why don't you know this, and shouldn't we all know this if we face modern day rivals?

[@Fantasyremix]

Really sweet-looking remote setup. Looks as good as any I've ever seen.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Thanks!! Two-man crew. Giant 5’ soft box. Sony fx6.

[@paigemccormick6519]

@@DadSavesAmericaDad, yes a beautiful-looking podcast. It's my first look (for the guests), although this stranger was curious about a Dad who saves America.

[@tryingtoknow8190]

Plumbers are apprenticed. And some schooling of course Apprenticeship is a good system.

[@Metameinitiatedbycontact]

I would love to know what Bret thinks about those conversations between Bohm and Kriahnamurti

[@pooneil]

I completely agree that I would not trade in the pain that I have experienced which has given me perspective, as well as sent me on a trajectory for later success. That said, I think many parents have a concern for not wanting to let their kids make mistakes because while many mistakes are healthy to make, some mistakes could have consequences that parents may justifiably or unjustifiably feel is unreasonable. This can include legal, academic, and other consequences. When you make a mistake in your formative years, our society can make it very difficult and unforgiving to recover. For example, now at 40, I can remember at 20 that if you applied for a job, had good references and a good skill set, you’d at least get an interview. Now, things like background, credit, as well as lots of other seemingly unrelated factors are given heavy weight. A college graduate who could be great for a job might not get it because they made a mistake with a credit card. I think that scares parents a lot into making unreasonably cautious decisions with their children.

[@trafferz]

10/7 terrible awful occurrence. the ongoing slaughter of young innocent children, an ongoing tragedy. to be against both you are a Jew hater siding with rapists and murderers. really? no middle ground there? do you apply the same label to the ongoing Israeli protestors on the streets within Israel? I wonder if your opinion at 1:28:14 has changed at all in the month since you made it. It's strange that especially this conversation should end in a kind of woke in reverse, where any criticism of Israel is construed as an anti-semitic attack on Jews. I almost feel obligated to add, some of my favorite people in the world also happen to be Jewish.

[@prosperityxxx]

I’ve heard him say before how he was horrified on 10/08, before Israel even had time to assess the entire situation, or even think of how they were going to respond to such a tragedy, he was in New York and witnessed people out there in public celebrating and holding signs that read “by any means necessary”. Literally while the innocent victims bodies were still warm, some Americans cheered on such a despicable act of terrorism.

[@roreytube]

The problem that we face, who do we listen to in the wider discourse, what I'm saying is who gets our microphones collectively? We need to find the better information to guide us through. And then how do the better ideas gain wide consciousness, attention, and societal adherence. Technology and business keep adding new sources, ways to intercept us and are 'amplifiers' for various agendas (personal fame, greed, good, evil, control whatever). The noise level is so great now, life is complex and the pace of competition (life) does not allow for proper consideration, attention, dedication. All systems have feedback loops, and the systems in place now are not ideal to guide us through. They are not inherently full of evil people, however the system is the system, it exists and serves itself. The key words I feel are 'challenge' and 'balance' to the concepts and ideas we put forward. Central to these words is the separation of the gatekeeper (judge, regulator, senate, representatives of the people) and the end product built (education, drug, law, policy, product) A great interview.

[@glennmitchell9107]

What are the goals of biological and cultural evolution? If they aren't the same, then how can they coexist successfully? Can culture evolve successfully if biology keeps undercutting it?

[@NineInchTyrone]

DEvolution explains our society

[@jamestheelder87]

I never walk away from a Weinstein discussion wthout receiving at least some morsel of wisdom. I can't understand why young people today don't avail themselves to the abundance of knowledge that is easily accessed on the internet. Perhaps the world would be in better shape. My own life could have bern very different had I such knowledge at my fingertips.The decisions I made in my youth would have been much better informed. Thank you for this podcast.i hope it inspires some to begin changing their lives in more positive directions.

[@dtrfgr]

Way too many jarring ads. Your links off of KZbin are ridiculous. Talk about being captured. Very frustrating being forced onto this platform (that demonetized Brett and Heather) in order to hear this interview. Please cast a wider and simpler social media net. Thanks.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

We are posting on X.con as well so you can watch the full interview there with Rumble coming soon (though its user experience is pretty awful). x.com/dadsavesamerica/status/1768419005839085723?s=46

[@chuckjones9159]

Here is what I consider things that need to be done. How is the hard part although some of these items are solutions as well. 1. Strip all power from international bodies. Agreements have been and are being made which may have or had a noble goal which are now detrimental. 2. While the temptation is to break up these large conglomerates it will not be possible in all cases without causing major economic damage. What can be done is to prohibit them from enacting policies aimed at social conditioning or ones that attempt to infringe on our innate rights. This instantly eliminates problematic departments. The same would go for all businesses and agencies. 3. Pull our military out of other nations. This includes financial support. Use them to guard our borders. I have no problem with appropriate military action but it needs to be decided by more than a handful of people and we need discrimination when considering places where lack of diplomacy and actions of our intelligence agencies have inflamed people to conflict. In peacetime the military should take the lead role in creation and support of our infrastructure. I have no problem with giving support to an ally but that support needs to be limited to defensive actions only. Proxy wars would be outlawed of course. Defense would mean we are willing as a nation to place ourselves in that area. if we do so and our people are harmed we will then switch to offensive mode. We have to make this process immune to propaganda somehow though and also have clear minded individuals in military leadership. We do not want warmongers or those with interest in the MIC. If a nation we are helping oversteps moral bounds we would be there to restrain further transgressions and if necessary take control. We could also provide security for international trade but not for free. 4. Intel agencies should be barred from interfering in the political processes of any nation. They should focus on gathering & analyzing intelligence as well as protecting us from the same. We need a return to honest diplomacy and this is not possible with rogue agencies afoot. 5. No charity, trust, corporation or NGO should be allowed to be involved in the political process or social engineering. All political donations should be derived from named individuals. National voter rolls should be established along with voter I.D. and be open to the public. Only citizens of 5 years above 18 years of age with no felony convictions can vote. Electronic voting machines would not matter at this point. Once we can see the vote and verify it the chance of deception is eliminated. 6. Law enforcement should no longer be allowed to engage in asset forfeiture. All such property should go to a public treasury and be distributed to those in need in event of emergency- or hell, even do a lottery with no entry fee. The county Sheriff and his department should be the highest law in the land with no others able to operate in his county without consent. He should also be free from answering, being pressured or directed by any political figure in his county. In other words he is not beholden to mayors and attorneys. In this way he would be free to investigate and take action against anyone. He is elected by the people of the county and can be replaced by a 25 percent consensus. 7. The salary and benefits of all elected and appointed officials should be greatly reduced. I would actually prefer that retirement age be lowered to 50 and officials be chosen from the retired population but thats a want not a need. Yet. Multimillionaires should not receive SS benefits. If desired their base amount paid in could be returned to them. Those on welfare should be used for county jobs unless disabled, pregnant or stay at home parent. The jobs should also provide a supplement salary of at least minimum wage. 8. Education system needs reformed. It should include math, reading, writing, and the sciences. In addition philosophical/spiritual courses should be available. Not religious, spiritual, like things about meditation, attention, awareness and perception. This would also educate about handling emotion and recognizing manipulation. Ideally we should also include martial skills as well as basic survival including home economics skills.

[@skylinefever]

I love these goals. It would need to break what I call "Oligarchy of the donor class."

[@Nicole-ww4lg]

your conception of what happened on 10/7 and why people are criticizing israel is very VERY flawed. look into some palestinian history man. or listen to any of the jewish journalists who side with palestine. some of them write for the gray zone. criticizing zionism/israel isn't antisemitism. thinking all jews agree with the state of israel is more antisemitic.

[@Stan-b3v]

Brets illustration of the idea,that culture and societal agency functions in much the same capacity and effect as genetic difference, allows the next level perception that the advent of electronic computational systems is effectively a third layer of the model of genetic adaptation.

[@packardsonic]

Our challenge is becoming a global WE. Our challenge is aligning humanity's incentives so that all people are working together on the same team instead of against each other. The only way to do that is establishing a shared goal. The only goal that everyone will be willing to accept is a goal that benefits everyone equally. The only goal that benefits every equally is that of meeting EVERYONE'S emotional and physical needs unconditionally. If there are conditions to have our needs met then we are in conflict over who set those conditions. It's that simple. Meeting people's needs unconditionally doesn't mean everyone has the same, it just means nobody is lacking anything important. The next challenge is meeting everyone's needs unconditionally without authoritarianism. That requires convincing everyone of voluntarily striving to meet everyone's needs UNCONDITIONALLY. Then we can all self organize decentralized altruistic networks ( already growing rapidly) to meet everyone's needs unconditionally. It is absolutely possible to convince everyone of aggreing to a goal when we make it clear to them that it is fair and beneficial to them. The way to do this is by raising awareness about the concept of fundamental needs. Showing everyone that practically all people become a benefit to society if all their emotional and physical needs are met and absolutely everyone becomes a burdem or danger to society if their needs aren't met. We must explain to everyone that therefore they will benefit greatly if everyone else has all their needs met.

[@bobettepage4440]

Great interview!

[@LoveinDC]

“We do not even get to be adults in the same environment in which we were children.” 🤯

[@heathe3529]

Good interview, my only complaint is the ads every 45 seconds 👀