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[@Neesie75]

This man appears to have more brain cells than his entire home town . Wasn't expecting this.

[@brandi5730]

He’s a child killer period

[@seanvonfizzle]

You should read his book "Life After Death". Man is brilliant

[@clavelmary8475]

So true

[@allison76767]

Usually murders have alot of brain cells so yeah 🤣

[@DRourk]

The man is lying... and you are fooled to believe him.

[@jillwerner8133]

Doyle: bc it's just as they said; cops don't want to admit that they made a mistake. And it's very expensive to hire a lawyer; especially for a case that was notorious as this. Just like that guy said:if you don't know facts about this case why are you judging? And these 3 didn't get a dime for their time served with absolutely no DNA evidence that was theirs or they wouldn't have been let free.

[@wendyteeter1762]

WM 3 Guilty You are so rude to people. Why? You were not there, so it is possible that you could be incorrect about a thing or two. Come down from your high horse! I know people that have researched this case from the very beginning and they still aren’t 100% sure! Do you also realize that the Callahan site everyone raves about has information for both sides of the argument.

[@nettya151]

Jill Werner everyone lied in this case to put these 3 innocent men behind bars absolutely shocking they were goin to kill a man on death row without evidence or DNA so glad people people fought for these guys an they were set free

[@nettya151]

WM 3 Propaganda ive reached this case for 18 years an these 3 are 100% innocent u need to looo at the proper facts If u watch WEST OF MEMPHIS even the witness came forward an cried an say they all lied on the stand not 1 person but a few people the police lies are unbelievable they didn’t investigate this case at all in the west of Memphis it shows u al the facts an proof of the lies the police did absolutely shocking these police officers aren’t in prison for wot they did So stop coming on all these documentaries an spreding ur lies that there guilty an look in to this case properly I’m from the uk an I find ur justice system absolutely shocking corrupt in every way

[@marikafasola8771]

no dna? they found one of the boys DNA on necklace in damiens room, you know that?

[@Galimah]

@@marikafasola8771 What does that mean?

[@cegromatzky]

What really amazes me is that none of you know anything about this case. I wish people who decide to make comments would actually do their homework before showing their ignorance.......... sigh...... it makes me tired.........

[@msslsm4158]

Carl Gromatzky Are you a satanist also?

[@denzel1989]

@@msslsm4158 are you ?

[@msslsm4158]

@@denzel1989 No

[@havanadayana6156]

@@msslsm4158 you seem like one

[@msslsm4158]

@@havanadayana6156 maybe. It takes one to know one

[@CallumJonesILOVECOCO]

ACTUALLY , JESSIE MISSKELLY DID NOT HAVE A LOW IQ , IT WAS ACRTUALLY NORMAL OF 90 TO 100

[@DRourk]

this is just one of many lies Echols tells.

[@Victoria12339]

I thought it was 72 or something like that.

[@ivannichols715]

I have followed this case very closely since it was on the news when I was 11. I'll never forget hearing about the nature of the injuries and immediately thinking of Eric Smith/ Derrick Robie case. By the time the news had started reporting heavily on the WM3, despite the crime being 3 months after that, I began hearing about Derrick Robie right around the same time. Even as young as I was I'll never forget feeling so sad for the kids in both cases. I also wanted to know so much more despite being a child. Crime and murder has always intrigued me not for the sensationalized details of graphic violence but the very thought that if these children were killed in such special circumstances that resulted in their bodies being found discarded in areas extremely close to their homes it was something that could very easily happen to me and my sisters. One thing that has always bothered me and probably a lot of other people is the way Lori Davis seemed to have taken advantage of Damien. He very well may have felt happy to have the attention of a pretty lady and I'm hoping she did provide him with the support he needed while he sat in jail all those years, but something about her gives me a bad feeling. I once read an article where the reporter included some quotes from an earlier interview. During the interview Damien and Lori had been eating lunch at an upscale bistro in tribeca or one of the upper class neighborhoods in New York City. He happened to ask her about the menu because the items were unfamiliar to him. While explaining the exotic food choices Damien mentioned that he couldn't stop eating pizza since he'd been back in the real world. Lori then told (I'm paraphrasing) the reporter that she was trying not to push him too much towards trying new things but she was becoming annoyed at his "simple" food choices and said she'd give him "a little more time" and then she would be insisting he break his pizza habit. I'm not sure why but that made me so angry. Here is this child ( I say child bc he was easily still a child when he'd gone to prison) and he's been thrusted back into society in a strange city where the only person he's been in constant contact with is now telling him he has to stop eating something I feel was a huge comfort to him based on the frequency in which he'd ate it. For someone to tell him he'd have to give it up seemed extremely insensitive and controlling. She was already pushing him to do all of these paid appearences and interviews despite knowing he would probably need some serious r and r at their home while focusing on reintegrating himself back into the world. It totally seemed lost on her that he was alone for nearly 20 years with very little insight on the ever changing world, his family and his possible plans should they begin to initiate the death penalty. In a split second he was all of the sudden being overstimulated and looked after by this woman who is supposed to have his best interest. The whole thing made me sad for Damien and I sincerely pray he is happy and has a semblance of peace in his life.

[@MartinVonMartian-ut4mh]

lol who tf even writes some crap nobody will ever read?

[@blazingstar9638]

What a beautiful couple

[@brandi5730]

Lol 😂

[@NxDoyle]

I stopped paying close attention to Damien, Jason and Jesse after their release, but one of the things I couldn't help but notice was Damien's need for corrective and tinted glasses. That appears to have diminished somewhat, which is good for him. This case is still quite polarizing. Those who believe that the state of Arkansas got it right in charging, convicting and sentencing the WM3 with the murders of Stevie, Christopher and Michael stand out. The thread that runs through their commentary is poor literacy. It's a rare day you'll find an anti-WM3 comment that isn't a two line, poorly-worded, poorly-spelled bit of vitriol. They've not bothered to keep themselves apprised of the evidence, rejecting even the very telling physical evidence. They don't understand the nature of an Alford plea. They pay no mind to the actions of Damien and Jason in the aftermath of their release. You tend to find that murderers who are acquitted, or who are released from prison with protestations of innocence, spend zero time trying to have the case re-opened, looking for justice by finding the guilty party. Why? Because they're the guilty party, so pretending is just a waste of time. As I understand it, at least two of the three are still actively searching for the type of conclusion that would result in exoneration. Pardon is not enough. The Alford deal is not enough.

[@uncrownedoak7777]

Well said.

[@RagingCajun985]

Those men killed those baby’s they are not looking for the killers, when asked if the police will ever find the killer Damian smiled and changed the subject. There is so much evidence to point to them as the killers Hollywood rescued them because many in Hollywood are satanic this is all sick and disgusting.

[@zz424]

What is this interview ask him about the blood that was found out his necklace that was matched to one of the children where the fibers that were matched to him or the fact that they threw the kids in the water so not much DNA was available

[@imbadrotten5333]

You know what?I feel weird. 1,I'm a born again Christian. 2,I think Metallica's black album is among my all time favorites.3,I believe all Americans have the constitutional right to freedom of religion, even if that religion is satanic.4,I think the law enforcement and investigator in any case should only follow evidence. Here I sit typing this as a Metallica loving headbanging Christian who believes in religious freedom on US soil and justice should be blind and equal.

[@backbison]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5XNdmWZpbShiLM

[@gangrel_76]

you sound like a pretty cool guy

[@coldwhitespring5004]

Most people that listen to metal and even black metal, don't go around killing people. There's an extreme metal festival in a little town in Norway every year, and the police has said that in the ten years that festival has been held, there's been no violence that weekend.

[@AkreaothAzathothAhrimanKala]

So you are a stinky farter?

[@bean7039]

So you don't follow Jesus but label yourself Christian .

[@joygrace7924]

Where is Erica Flannes?

[@l.pmoonstone5067]

I was 11 yrs old when the murder's happened.. I remember this on TV, watching it with my mum. I live in Victoria BC Canada, where a book called "Michelle Remembers" ignited the Satanic Panic Era all around the world. Only later to be de-bunked by many of local O.T.O members, against their false claims. I wasn't born when that happened, but its pretty crazy though, if i travel abroad, and mention i'm from Victoria, i'm usually met with "OMG you're like from the most Satanic place int he world". Which it really isn't, at all. Yes, there is a huge following of Thelemic's, Wiccan's and Pagan's, myself included, here in Victoria, but straight up Satanism? NO. Anyhow, glad Damien got a second chance at life and he's staying true to himself.

[@ladyred5150]

MISS KITTY Hello...Damien Echols is a convicted child-murderer! Most of what he said in this is straight-up lies! I suggest you read the facts & quit believing the media. Callahan.8k.com or wm3truth.com

[@l.pmoonstone5067]

The thing about jesse miskellies crying and confession is that they had interrogated him all day long, for hours and hours. It was only the last 45 min they turned on the tape recorder to record his "confession". he initially said they didnt do it, but he wanted to go home. After 6 long hours of god only knows what they said to him before that tape recorder was turned on, and with his diminished mental capacity, he just wanted to go home and told them what they wanted to hear. I believe they are innocent.

[@jgrayersqueen]

L.P Moonstone I'm pagan too!! I live in Vancouver!

[@msslsm4158]

L.P Moonstone. Your just waiting to do the same as your idol dumian

[@presentfuture7563]

LP, I worked in a large bookstore back then, and we had a whole section of books devoted to SRA, including Michelle Remembers! I remember how it was taken for granted this was a growing national terror, and how all the photos and media portrayals made Damien look like some arrogant remorseless sociopath. I didn't have any reason to believe otherwise until years later. Having heard more of the story (first via West of Memphis), looked at the facts as reported by third parties like Arkansas history archives, and read what Damien himself has written, I can now see all those things as adolescent bravado in the face of pure incomprehension about what was happening to them. I get how vulnerable people sometimes strive to make themselves look intimidating, and that means some people will never look beyond the surface - even if Mr. Byers and Mrs. Hobbs themselves have. I commend them for that. What I can't comprehend is how people can look at a perennially gentle soul like Jason and see a child murderer. He's the kind of guy who'd catch spiders and put them outside. When they got sent up he was like a baby himself, and Jessie was mentally maybe at the level of a six year old. But since your detractors are doing things like calling you a stupid bitch who should go kill herself and that you're waiting for your own chance to kill kids, maybe I'm expecting too much. (Damien does seem to make an excellent target of projection for people with violent shadow selves.)

[@Beans360]

I bet Damien is pissed off for Jamie banning turkey twizzlers in prison.

[@strictlycasual765]

Not sure the Americans have a clue who Jamie is mate

[@Beans360]

@@strictlycasual765 they dont even understand what banning food is.

[@strictlycasual765]

@@Beans360 you're right there, 75% obese aren't they...... better teeth though

[@Beans360]

@@strictlycasual765 yeah they floss them with Turkey Twizzlers.

[@Bethoflife]

I know how it feels to be accused of something you didn't do. The truth comes out eventually and I have the satisfaction of knowing that I told the truth. No one can take that away from you !

[@RagingCajun985]

There is so much Evidence they committed the crime. Children were butchered and him and his friends bragged about it this was reported by many people. He got off because Hollywood came to his rescue. This is sick.

[@DRourk]

Except he more than likely did it. Dude is definitely guilty of at least lying.

[@Essays4College]

In NYC with millions of men and she goes to a death row inmate thousands of miles away? Some women have serious mental issues.

[@octaviarose9342]

Well, considering that they're still together almost 25 years later, I think she knew a bit more about the direction of her own life than random internet haters...

[@Essays4College]

@@octaviarose9342 That means nothing

[@minuit6305]

Lori reminds me of a red headed Kim Basinger!

[@SC-oi9wp]

I agree

[@Victoria12339]

Who does ? Damien?

[@cegromatzky]

I have to say that today, I am shocked that so many of you are still commenting about this.

[@kellystephens-cz1fq]

The way she looks at him❤

[@jonnybcool2000]

sorry but this guy has guilt written all over his face … and now hes loving the attention he has always wanted and getting paid for these interviews …

[@KAdams-dr4pc]

STFU. IDIOT

[@AkreaothAzathothAhrimanKala]

Nothing's written on his face. Are you hallucinating?

[@Victoria12339]

The two of them are telling blatant lies. So I presume she knows Damien is not innocent then ? Jessie was not 16 with an IQ of 68. She also admits she got her information from Paradise lost . How could anyone be that naive?

[@kylebalfada6245]

Why did he ditch his pregnant gf?

[@Angelzdeath]

I think they were together at the time of the trial when the baby was already born, but they weren’t good together

[@AkreaothAzathothAhrimanKala]

Because he got arrested dummy

[@bethanycornett9790]

She’s obsessed with him lol

[@Outlawgirl1297]

No this is true love

[@arsenpisahov2409]

Its real story ? Or it’s movie

[@rachelraquel758]

I’m not saying he’s guilty or anything, but there’s something unsettling about him. Maybe it’s because of the lack of socialization for so long, idk.

[@SugarCacti]

I feel the opposite, he has much depth and yes of course people will be different with being in prisen for 18 years and in solitude for 10!

[@thematriarchy2075]

No, you might not be used to the more introspective types of people.

[@backbison]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5XNdmWZpbShiLM

[@brandi5730]

He’s a killer

[@pauly1148]

@@brandi5730 yep.

[@register1430]

OK, bluish glasses makes sense now. No sunlight that really is extra punishment, but I guess , death row , prison officials didn't think long term consequences. Just reading the letters book they compiled as he waited for his journey to unfold. Steamy book - wow.

[@chriss2452]

What is this about? Who are they?

[@MartinVonMartian-ut4mh]

The guy is Damien Echols a devil worshipper who killed a couple kids in a satanic ritual and his wife is Lorri Davis an insane woman who dropped everything she had in New York to marry a convicted murder in jail because she watched a movie about the West Memphis Three.

[@CallumJonesILOVECOCO]

JESSIES CONFESSION WAS ACTUALLY FULL ON , PLZ READ aBOMINATION , ITS A ULL DETAIL ACCOUNT OF WHAT HAPPENED

[@RagingCajun985]

It is so sick that the perpetrators of such a horrific evil crime have now been seen as the victims. That is true Satanism to invert what is right. This is all wrong. This is disgusting, I’m with the children. They are the real victims.

[@narayanasupramati1394]

Deliver Us from Evil (2006) Documentary about Father Oliver O'Grady, a Catholic PRIEST who was relocated to various parishes around the United States during the 1970s in an attempt by the CATHOLIC CHURCH to cover up his RAPE of dozens of CHILDREN.

[@MartinVonMartian-ut4mh]

​@@narayanasupramati1394womp womp

[@lordofarcades]

Lori is as aloof as Scott Petersons sister in law.

[@DrJamesSkylark]

Damien: No, I'm not a devil worshipper, all while trying to look like Glenn Danzig

[@LaChartre]

so?

[@DrJamesSkylark]

@LaChartre it's a joke, although he did do it

[@LaChartre]

@ nah.

[@DrJamesSkylark]

@@LaChartre yea

[@LaChartre]

@ based on what evidence

[@kfed2580]

Why is he always talking about himself?! I get the book is about how he was “wrongfully” convicted but regardless of that 3 innocent children were tortured. If I was out there spreading my word I would also feel pain for the children and there families. I’ve never seen him even mention the 3 boys. That’s what I don’t understand... you have all of this publicity but you can’t say a thing about how horrific the crime was and how they need to find the people reasonably. Maybe he doesn’t say that because they already had them and let them go.

[@ginamarshall7691]

Exactly!! Its always poor Damien. He doesnt give two shits about those murdered children bc he is the one who did it.

[@Joyjoy-ih1ie]

Exactly, it's because these people are satanic. She isn't telling anyone else this. It's obvious. People in his town witnesses him eating animal parts.

[@noragolden7832]

maybe its because you talked to much about how bad he is and if you don't like then why do you see the video

[@noragolden7832]

omg they said america is a free country god you have more hate then kkk

[@noragolden7832]

@Olivia G. i did in fact see them and yes his behavior is weird but how do you expect him to act after some one call you thous names like murderer like how would you feel and what about the black man in the women bathroom and you know no matter what we believe we will never really know and if his guilty and you believe in god then he will put him in hell right

[@ThisMemesWar]

Seriously? The case was just Metallica Steven King & black clothes?! I hope other people watching this have some real knowledge on this case and the actual facts of what happened. To case & point this, Damien.E is a confirmed listed member of the O.T.O

[@LustyyOG]

nothing wrong with being a member of o.t.o , if you see that as somehow a bad thing that just shows your ignorance

[@spiderswebs3]

I wonder what these people adoringly clapping would feel if it came out he was guilty?Just watched an interview where he says Miskelly was tortured into the First confession.Can you explain the other 3 confessions he willingly made in front of Legal,Upright Citizens?Funny how you never mentioned that Echols and loads more incriminating evidence like Alibis?Something stinks to high heavens. and you have never explained it.

[@jaynemanning4913]

Please site the interview your talking about. Misskelly was coerced... not tortured

[@theweetbixkid7702]

Jesse was hoping he would be set free, he was a weak creature

[@RagingCajun985]

Thankyou for your voice of reason I find it sick that the perpetrators are now considered the victims that is true Satanism to invert what is righteous and what is just. Everyone lost sight of those poor babies that were butchered and now are all focused on the sick freaks.

[@DRourk]

People are amazingly gullible.... Echols is lying here, and in pretty much every interview he ever does.

[@Victoria12339]

What amazes me is that they all keep lying. Iv seen the interview too ,where damien said Jessie was tortured into confessing. He said he was tortured for 12 hours with no food or toilet breaks, he's also said no one was read their rights, Damien and Jason both deny ever being to those woods and also they said they had never even heard of them. Damien says he rarely even went into west Memphis and only went when they where going to Walmart. He also often claims that they where made take an Alford plea by the state. Does he not know that we can all see he's lying. Everything is well documented. The trial is online. Iv heard Henry Rollins say these poor innocent boys didn't even get read their miranda rights. How can he not even have the sense to do a quick Google search and see its all on there. If these people are innocent why do they tell so many lies Even Lori lies. They lie In every single interview. Damien calls his lawyers incompetent cos they didn't allow his alibis take the stand. What alibis ?? There wasn't any !!! He blames his lawyers ! It's beyond me why people respect this man so much.

[@angelanetherton8240]

She looks much older. How did they meet? I’m sure she was one of those groupie types that finds murderers hot and she knew he was innocent.

[@theonlyone88]

I watched all I can about this case and stuff my being a felon I did 8 years in solitary confinement why not put him on a lie dictator test now I no that it dont stand in court here In tn but why not just do one and let's see what it has to say

[@daviddeida]

Cause he would fail it like he did before.

[@ZekeMan62]

@@daviddeida Yup.

[@zz424]

They all did lie detectors when arrested n all failed

[@daviddeida]

@@zz424 lmao.

[@zz424]

@@daviddeida stupid fuck I guess you are too broke to afford a phone w voice to text and so therefore are too stupid to know it doesn't always get the words right. idiot. broke moron.

[@navarrolevel7]

Why does nobody ever point out how his wife is Milla Jovovich's doppelgagger

[@noragolden7832]

??

[@jaynemanning4913]

Because she isn’t?

[@tessaleoni8849]

5:10 if looks could kill.

[@Non666serviam]

😂

[@Non666serviam]

@MrandMrs Smith Frau Schmitt, das ist Schwachsinn.

[@Seriouslygorgeous]

Non999 serviam nein, es ist nicht. Leider.

[@monicaburman-sp3mi]

He does not belong outside...ever..never ever

[@LaChartre]

why

[@totalsweetheart4736]

Funniest part iz b stuck w Lori 😂

[@pauly1148]

Wow how many lies can Damien and Lorri tell in one small interview???

[@Victoria12339]

It's fascinating! I'm currently watching any interviews I can find with them and it's astonishing! They lie numerous times in every single interview!! Each and every one. This very short interview has at least 5 lies I would say.

[@augustusgrt9655]

What on earth are you babbling about?

[@PaulY86-u8t]

​@@augustusgrt9655hmmm...don't know too much about Damien and Lorrie, do you?

[@senji5575]

2:37 is she admitting her man killed the kid for satanism?

[@rachelraquel758]

I don’t think so.

[@theweetbixkid7702]

No

[@AkreaothAzathothAhrimanKala]

No she's admitting that your mom is a dummy just like you

[@Outlawgirl1297]

No he’s innocent

[@ficationsare6552]

No mirror for ten years. Aww.

[@optimisticcosmic]

I don't like Lorri that much.

[@zoemartin2507]

WM 3 Guilty 100% agree with you, she’s demonic in appearance 👍

[@jackD441]

Me either

[@rachelraquel758]

Ok

[@AkreaothAzathothAhrimanKala]

@@jackD441 *neither R.I.P ENGLISH

[@Outlawgirl1297]

Why , She’s seems nice

[@sicidamara7061]

Some of the things Lori is saying about Jessie Misskelley aren't totally true though, his IQ wasn't as low as she stated and he wasn't interrogated for 12 hours before giving the confession.

[@TheGeosto]

Guilty of murdering three boys.

[@AkreaothAzathothAhrimanKala]

Yes you are

[@AkreaothAzathothAhrimanKala]

Hello Terry

[@Daniela231169]

My friend Marie loves him!!

[@ladyred5150]

Daniela Agliolo Then your friend is a murder-groupie. Very sick.

[@Daniela231169]

Raechel Dossa troll!!

[@ladyred5150]

Daniela Agliolo I speak the truth. Do you even know what this guy did?

[@Daniela231169]

Raechel Dossa been there read it seen it watched it. Why are they free then in your opinion?

[@ladyred5150]

Daniela Agliolo First of all, this is NOT my opinion. The defense came to the state with an Alford plea. The WM3 admitted the state had enough evidence to convict them again in a new trial & they chose NOT to take that new trial....even though AR granted them a new trial!!! They pled guilty. It's been years & we're still waiting on their "new evidence." No such thing! They weren't even at the rally on May 5th to re-open the case. What does that tell you? They jumped at the chance to get out & Arkansas had a new prosecutor who didn't want to spend time & money on a new trial. Millions of dollars once again in a new trial because the wm3 is backed by blind supporters & sick celebrities who are into the occult. They worship Damien. The wm3 already served 18 years & they were young when they committed these crimes. Who would plead GUILTY to killing 3 children when they knew they could have a new trial? They had no alibis & confessions by all 3! EVEN after conviction. Fibers from Baldwin, candle wax & eye witnesses seen them coming out of the woods. His real name is Michael Hutchinson....NOT Damien by the way. Read Exhibit 500.

[@jeremyparnell1482]

Pure sicko right there !

[@8Barani]

Inspirational couple.

[@ladyred5150]

8Barani Sick couple.

[@8Barani]

Raechel Dossa What do you mean?

[@humanexe5451]

You're stupid. This guy confessed killing three innocent kids. One witness heard him say it at a baseball game too.

[@rebeccalewis412]

You just believe what you hear? Blindly...? There's no evidence whatsoever to prove their guilt.

[@msslsm4158]

@@humanexe5451 Your right, but it was a soft ball game

[@MartinVonMartian-ut4mh]

Echols did that shit.

[@rosamila1758]

ECHOLS: "I knew from the very first letter that I ever got from Lorri that this was SOMEONE completely unlike anyone I'd ever known before".....yeah, "you knew" it was someone who could help you to get out of prison, right, mister child-torturer? ....they say that money can't buy happiness, but it helps a lot 😂 in buying lots of...other things... And thanks to Johnny Depp as well, once I thought he was an handsome AND intelligent man...now I think is just ....an "AND" 😂

[@KAdams-dr4pc]

STFU IDIOT!

[@borkingborker5567]

Rosa Mila your god of abraham is an ancient mesopotamian demon that commanded his cult to slaughter men, women and children. So in reality its you people that are the "satan" worshippers. Damien Echols is an enlightened one that will be counted amongst Jesus of Nazareth (who's practices and beliefs you don't follow), Siddartha Guatama, and others. You are brainwashed and spread an evil ideology of radical right-wing religious fundamentalism. Also, Qanon is a CIA run propaganda program designed to brainwash, radicalize, and organize a controlled terrorist cell/militia to act as a vanguard for a neofascist, capitalist, theological, police state. Good luck being on the wrong side of history... again.

[@jaynemanning4913]

I’m happy at how successful Damien and Jason are. Glad they got out of that awful place they lived and away from all those drugged out weirdos... namely the parents

[@seedsofarevir]

This kind of talk gets nobody nowhere. Nothing he does Is satanic. Please do better

[@kathleengleason9805]

@@seedsofarevir u do better n stop excusing away a child killer

[@CallumJonesILOVECOCO]

BUT HES EYES WHERE FINE TO SEE LORRIE ON HER VISITS M HES WXCUSE TO NOT SEE HIS OWN SON WAS , HES EYES WHERE REAL BAD