This city concept breaks architecture (THE LINE)

[@GivenFailure]

What I love about this concept is that it's so unbelievably insane that you can talk about it for hours and not run out of criticisms.

[@certaindeath7776]

yeah, imagine 1 train which is stuck for an hour. the whole city will be stuck for an hour :D :D and what about maintenance?

[@مازمالعتيبي-ت4ت]

@@certaindeath7776 Did you see the pictures? there are 4 trains

[@Unknown-jb4tr]

@@مازمالعتيبي-ت4ت having 4 train doesn't make this stupid concept a genius concept

[@scfog90]

@@مازمالعتيبي-ت4ت even a standard European city with 500.000 people has at least 10-12 platforms. 4 is just a drop of water in the hot sand

[@ahmadkidwai3141]

Genius four trains stupid. Only four trains for million people

[@s7ippy]

You are sooo good at saying that this is a stupid idea without saying its a stupid idea

[@peppersaltman1805]

I like that. It's so classy.

[@StallionStudios1234]

Her videos are awesome.

[@oooodaxteroooo]

There is a guy who did a video much like hers in content. He managed to make it sound so seruous while being completely satirical. Its unbelivable and so comic 😅

[@veronicanicholls7132]

Agree! I saw it and it was sooooo witty

[@brianblack5321]

Yes, thank you. I was looking for a reviw on the line, nut every time I'd find something, they were either making it polital and attacking arabia or even religious. But she managed to say it's stupid in such a nice way. I wish this was how they'd explain to me my errors 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲

[@Mynamewashere]

It's also worth mentioning that the train system has a single point of failure because of the city is a line. Something stops working in one place, and the whole city's transportation stops working. This project is genuinely an urban nightmare and a giant money pit.

[@jamaljames1598]

How are the ambulances and fire trucks supposed to get around?

[@wolvessgaming6819]

@@jamaljames1598 that's a good question??

[@ThePixel1983]

And assuming all the water comes from desalination plants at one end, that will be another single point of failure.

[@ronchappel4812]

I think that's not so terrible.Normal cities shut down entire geographies when a single rail line has issues. That's not a big difference from this. That said it would be smart to have several lines,not just the two

[@Sokrabiades]

@@laylalayla8030 妳在講什麼？不要講廢話

[@Mechanicalmadman]

I find it so weird that this project can be accurately summed up as "Kowloon city but for the ultra-rich" and it still somehow got greenlit.

[@Dragon-Believer]

You would almost think that the Saudis aren't actually smart and just happen to have oil.

[@qazielynn2580]

That's where my mind went as well lol. Kowloon Walled City but with fancy planning Stupid planning but fancy

[@tokyo7815]

This city looks like where the rich and powerful would live in a post apocalyptic film, while other survivors would live outside the walls

[@thekatephillips]

Lol, I was thinking it was where the rich would put all of the “common people” and they would live wherever they wanted to with huge estates!

[@tonemoreno763]

Bingo!

[@davidelvion1331]

No this a smart camp for their slaves

[@justteathankyou]

The mirror walls are obviously there to create a zone of death around the line to keep the riff raff out

[@yomommashaus]

honestly, does the government know something about the apocalypse lol??

[@gino7lord]

A 170km long linear city is one thing but the 500m tall mirror walls make this completly insane

[@OneofInfinity.]

They don't want people to escape.

[@ayayousef601]

ههههههه يضحكني ذا🤣🤣

[@bigbowlbuka]

Preferably a 500m see through glass wall

[@just_a_curious_thinker]

If they would have used Solar panels, it would be much better

[@sallybrite1530]

It's not what they tell us it is. Definitely looks like some sort of border.

[@Tea07090]

there are so many issues with the concept, i am kinda surprised that people are even talking about it seriously.. it really seems like a first semester project you did inspired by futuristic movies

[@williamdainese]

LOL

[@BodohYono]

What issues, tell me then . This project done by hundred of scientist and engineer.

[@database3.338]

@@BodohYono You obviously didn't watch the video.

[@brnne]

Exactly

[@hakunamatata324]

To be fair, people used to see many issues with EVs and yet look at where we are heading towards to. People used to see many issues with SpaceX and yet look at where we are heading towards to.

[@scrambled_greg]

I really appreciate that you address things seriously and rationally without immediately dismissing them as ridiculous (even when they are). It seems more fair and it's refreshing

[@eliplayz22]

I agree

[@RawbeardX]

Not everything needs to be treated seriously, it gives ridiculous ideas legitimacy.

[@scrambled_greg]

Ok then your argument is irrelevant and in fact pretty ridiculous so I'm going to ignore it.

[@kayniki1745]

I mean it's being built it's not fake And the country has morality laws that'd a big thing that was missed here

[@evansuarez5432]

Nah this is a ridiculous idea and needs to be laughed at relentlessly

[@osohista]

I don't understand why these concepts always have to have this supremely oppressive, dystopic atmosphere. That's the immediate thing that struck me.

[@imxd9698]

cause they're terrorists?

[@ahmedessa1364]

It's Saudi Arabia, that's why.

[@oh0stv]

@@ahmedessa1364 lol yeah, its just their vibe

[@DianteEx]

totally looks like a setting for a game set on another world. Those who are left behind have to live on the 2ND level, while the rich live on the 3rd level where they can see the sun.

[@realtimestatic]

It doesn’t seem dystopian to me but it doesn’t seem that efficient. Building a normal city with good public transport, layers and walkable streets with many kinds of plants still seems very good

[@kalebbruwer]

It's amazing what you can design when you just ignore all the glaring problems with your ideas

[@anything4660]

Give me enough money and I will just go blind for you

[@lindadavies3281]

Yes, like cartoons. 🙄

[@jacobh9487]

M. Bin Salman: My ding-a-ling is 170km looooong!

[@nomaray2020]

Thank you so much @DemiLeeArch humans must be aware of these Private Construction Sites killing our Mother Earth for their own selfish needs. Material things (matter that does not matter) everything we need is given by Mother Earth and Father Creator of Creations. Put your trust in our Mother & Father; do not put your trust in man's words. We must unite the universe by unifying with one another. We are all equal organisms. That goes for all living organisms. Humans are not as intelligent as they assume. Example they kill the very planet that keeps them alive and make no real effort to stopping it. They just propse ideas to keep the material things around and everyone slaving ... I mean working...All continue to their weekly routines sadly.

[@moroc333]

The bigger advantage of the line is that it will make giving directions so much more efficient "just go straight"

[@zairac2564]

"Oh, stupid me! I turned right into the death ray zone!"

[@schiacciatrollo]

don't forget .. there is an outside there to approach when you live in the habitat .. biking .. the sea .. the mountains ...

[@pranav3848]

Actually, it'll be more complicated because you have to give directions both horizontally and vertically. For example, "go straight for a mile, then go 20 stories up until you see the library, then turn right and walk for 20 meters."

[@schiacciatrollo]

@@pranav3848 shut up!!

[@HotPromptHub]

Touche! 😅

[@lisakilmer2667]

Glad to see a critique that addresses the mirrored walls, the (lack of) daylight, and the ecological and human disasters associated with this vanity project.

[@rantsreviews3573]

I love that you've seriously tried to address the logical issues here while most of us just looked at the idea and laughed and rolled our eyes.

[@valentinoleynik1255]

Well, if you want listen explanation of the Architects behind the Line, Thom Mayne, Peter Cook etc. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZLQdWyHpLl7b68

[@kennethrollo7891]

It's not new and it won't work

[@privaterizk4936]

In engineering communities, there's a saying that keeps going around: "An architect's dream is engineer's nightmare". Which is not always true as literal meaning. It usually for design or project that just want to look cool and innovative without actually designing it to be workable. But, looking at this project, I can say this could be a nightmare for engineer, architect, and city planner.

[@rexxbailey2764]

WELL THEN THAT MEANS IT IS VERY MUCH KEEPING IN LINE WITH THE CRUEL REPTILIAN OPPRESSIVE NATURE OF THE ISLAMIC KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA. 😂😂😂😆😂😂👍👌👌 THATS HOW HUMANS SUPPOSED TO LIVE! 😏👌👍

[@martinv.1949]

as my professor(engineer himself) in university once said: the best architect is the dead architect😆.....I myself have a degree in architecture and I have to say, that sometimes this statement is accurate. Some ideas are just plain stupid.

[@maxien101]

and the people living in it by the jist of it lol

[@maikilreategui1271]

And tenant's

[@MarcillaSmith]

Don't worry, guys, it's got vibes.

[@gunsunnuva8346]

I am not sure that I could possibly think up a more excellent scenario for a horror/dystopian film or video game. When the infrastructure fails and the electricity starts to falter, when the disease begins to spread, when the upper class hides and attacks the lower levels (and vice versa), when the authoritarian regime locks things down and lies for international appearances, when the policy is "no one in and no one out," when the protagonist needs to get from one end of the city to the other on foot passing through every stratified danger along the way, when the only way out is a fatal drop over a wall into harsh desert, when countless herds of wild disoriented beasts congregate on either side of the wall ready to rip you to shreds, when the whole thing is a mirror so that a low flying rescue vehicle accidentally crashes into it, when light itself is unreliable and the whole place is periodically cast into darkness, when the whole population is a global blend of languages and conflicting cultural expectations all starving together and freaking out and largely raised in luxury so that most of them have no basic idea of how to survive, when the food is gone and the human hunting begins, and finally, when all the bleeding edge tech goes haywire with malware so that delivery drones and infrastructure robots are repurposed by a central A.I. operating system to Purify the Line for the Synthetics... ...boooooooooy howdy do you now have the most excellent concentrated blend of intrigue, battle, survival, exploration, hope and tragedy and horror subgenres colliding. _(I mean, I'd play it.)_

[@jagmo]

@Gun Sunnuva: Awesome. If you code it, they will play :)

[@callumross6290]

you need to go into screenwriting. this would be an incredible film if they covered half the things you mentioned

[@rdf4315]

That was a pretty good story with a mixture of Dead space and escape from New York with a little bit of resident evil, if done right it'll make a good game.

[@dan_swann]

J.G. Ballard would have had a field day with this - check out the film High-Rise based on his 1975 novel.

[@codyhughes1147]

Get this script to hollywood! Haha. I can see it.

[@propheticintervention]

Your channel and B1M have probably the most informative channels on construction and architecture. Love that I stumbled across this.

[@m.f.3347]

"Encourages walking" LMAO. A line is literally the mathematically least efficient way to organize this city. There's a reason most cities have a central hub with a sort of "circular web" going outwards - it maximises the number of destinations from a given point with the least amount of travel necessary

[@m.f.3347]

I have so much to say about how dumb this whole idea is, but I'll leave with this: it's far easier to make a 3D render look good than, you know, actual architectural plans and engineering documents

[@main1608]

@@m.f.3347 Not to mention they didn't consider the psychological effects. People take walks to explore to feel free and have a sense of adventure. Why would you walk in a line where you know exactly what you will expect. The like is like one big mall. Nice to visit but if you live there you'll kill yourself.

[@markstewart1986]

Most walkable cities also tend to have good public transit systems. In theory its still possible to have a walkable city based on a series of neighbourhoods concected by railway/metro/monorail stations.

[@skidadling6864]

🤓 OH MY GOD LOOK AT ME IM SO SMART 🤓

[@Totallyfine29_]

U missed the point, that’s the whole concept it’s not like any other city

[@ambergris5705]

About the environment disturbance, I think it's also worth mentioning that a 500m high wall is going to disturb so much the wind patterns, it might actually have devastating consequences on the line itself: I wouldn't be surprised if it just creates a huge sand deposit in front of one side of the line, as well as create wind abrasion. Also, it might create microclimates on either side, and for sure disturb usual water patterns, maybe creating flooding in some areas after a desert rain.

[@Astraeus..]

That's actually a really good point too. They're basically putting this thing up in a place where it's going to be almost non-stop subjected to literal sandblasting across a huge surface area. Between that and the incalculable number of birds that will splat in that thing, structural failure in the glass panels will become a problem sooner rather than later.

[@karlbach1451]

I remember things like that happening when they made those fake islands that cut off water flow and turned everything on the coast into a bog haha

[@anastasia408]

also it would become incredibly unsafe if the sand that's picked up by wind gets INTO the wall... what if a gust or literally a sandstorm occurs and enters the wall .. you're at mercy of mother nature and you've basically created a death pit where you'd be spending millions of dollars cleaning out and extracting the build up of debris and sand every few months....i might be a bit off but it sure doesn't seem safe at all

[@ambergris5705]

@Proffessor Enigma That's not unlikely. Whether or not they care, doesn't matter, let's mount a greater body of evidence against the wall to show it is not a good idea.

[@Astraeus..]

@@anastasia408 Yet another very good point. In fact this point is probably pretty key, as not only would it become an issue if the wind carried sand inside somewhere accidentally, but that kind of place will absolutely need to have an integrated ventilation system all the way throughout pushing huge volumes of air around inside which, of course, means intake on the outside. Intake that's going to be constantly overwhelmed by the sand and dust that will be practically constant in that environment...

[@whooopdeedo]

also, thank you for the "ethics" portion, which contextualizes the impact of this architecture in real life, both during the build and after the build (if it would ever get to that point); architecture does not exist in isolation, so it does not make sense to ignore its physical, social, cultural, and political surroundings

[@tomaz3401]

@@laylalayla8030 it's still a concept that someone actially made and it's totally valid to criticise it to learn new things.

[@clockworkkirlia7475]

This video is a beautiful example of how to draw an audience in with a fairly straightforward but fascinating technical look at a problem that could be so easily reduced to that, then gradually teasing out the complexities of rights and social issues and sustainability. Disabled people exist, there is life in the desert, there are *communities* in a desert, there are communities in the *country* that could be seeing this money used sustainably. Really, really brilliant. Thank you Dami Lee.

[@VicodinElmo]

I like how the House of Saud’s progress thus far has been a seaside resort, a development for the royal family and a convenient airport with which they can now visit those places. Sounds like a con for them to get a nice beachside resort.

[@AwesomeAdmirak]

They don't need a con to spend money however they please, it's an abosolute monarchy

[@decibel333]

Perhaps but I don't think that's how dictatorships work

[@nomoresunforever3695]

Dunno. The monarchies of the middle east do waaay better than all the other middle eastern countries. Maybe don't wish them away too hard.

[@janedoe4471]

Their princesses are doing great in their various lobotomised states @@nomoresunforever3695

[@decibel333]

@@nomoresunforever3695 The monarchies of the middle East have easy access to oil or they would cease to exist

[@inkilling3467]

I think you summarized it well by calling it a "Metaverse" project

[@onetwothree4148]

Only half through this video, but I'm surprised to see how far she is getting with such empty rhetoric. Obviously the line is a weird idea, but so far she has not made a single rationale argument. Worried about natural habit? Like have any of you ever been in a city ever? There is no natural habit. They raze it for miles in every direction. Building on a line would be a lot less disruptive, especially because it makes building up more economical. Really building on a line solves the problem of extraordinarily expensive and patchy public transport. Build all the bike trails you want outside the perimeter of the line. You can do trails through natural habit, because bikes won't destroy that. This is a childish critique of a very interesting idea. Like no shit it's an odd idea, so what? Does it make sense. For construction and running utilities and destroying less of the environment and wasting less money it makes a lot of sense.

[@arccv]

@@onetwothree4148 oh shit never thought i'd come across a The Line stan

[@spike_picard]

@@onetwothree4148 Apparently you missed nearly all the arguments she brought up in the video. Let me recap for you. 1) Heat from outside the wall. More $$$ to fix. 2) Lack of natural lighting on lower levels. More $$$ to fix. 3) Verticle travel restrictions. More $$$ to fix. 4) Living standards between the upper and lower levels. Assuming The Line is completed, almost none of us can afford to live there. The subsidized money to sustain the place is in the billions. Investors won't let the poor anywhere close to the city. The entire project's existence relies on the revenue of oil. No natural city would form like this.

[@spike_picard]

@@onetwothree4148 On your point of "destroying less of the environment and wasting less money", The Line worsens that argument. Having the city in a circle and near the coast would save money on transportation. A 170km long city cutting through a dessert is ruining the environment more than a dense urban area concentrated on the coast.

[@fifervonpiper6707]

@@spike_picard Lmao, bro, building a square city like, idk, *how normal people have done so for the past four thousand fucking years* would be more logical than any city shape. You get nice grids that make it easy to move around. City superblocks would make pedestrian-friendly zones. Like, why do people make things more complicated than they need to be? Beauty? The ancient city of Rome was designed in a similar way to New York's grid city and it worked wonders for them for 1,000+ years straight and it still looks beautiful today.

[@eepypiezo]

As a Riyadh native and someone who has lived here for their whole life, taking a simple 10 minute drive around the city you will see tons of failed architecture/construction projects. And it seems every couple of weeks they come up with a different and more extravagant megaproject to focus on.

[@funstuffonthenet5573]

What's the goal here? Hope one of these projects succeeds and tourist money magically comes in?

[@AJ-xm4xc]

@@funstuffonthenet5573 It’s the global elite vision of the future. Think world economic foundation.

[@Johnny2Feathers]

This has to take the cake for dumbest project to date

[@davidc2072]

Seems like it. They currently make god-level amounts of money from oil, but have a shortening window for how long until green energy makes most needs for oil obsolete. They’re throwing ideas against the wall and hoping one sticks. Because the alternative is like the quote from the movie Syriana. They were living in tents in the desert 100 years ago, and will be back there in another 100 years.

[@vikas.sangwan]

@@Johnny2Feathers ✔️

[@k.warner2423]

What a great channel! I didn't realize how invested I was in architecture until watching Dami. New favorite!

[@Dr_Doofenshmirts]

I'm just imagining how crime would work there, also when she mentioned the lower levels of the residential box being that of workers and the upper levels being that of millionaires, it reminded me of the Netflix movie "The Platform" and the city concept reminds me of "Snowpiercer". the concept really sounded extremely oppressive and dystopic like another commenter said.

[@WunHeart]

there was a TV series called Altered Carbon with a similar concept.

[@peger]

TBH it's very comon tropes.

[@sunyaachan]

Nah believe me it's worse than platform movie 🤣

[@alim5199]

@@sunyaachan Your comment is edited and still grammatically incorrect.

[@onedustyboi6235]

straight up just coruscant

[@zoomane]

I'm so glad you spoke about wildlife corridors and the natural impact of it, it's something far too overlooked

[@jnenet1]

The Suez Canal cleared the way

[@thetruthinwonderland]

Not to mention the glass facade and its potential impact on local bird populations. US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis Minnesota has this problem.

[@bulatuspanov4293]

Pretty sure it’s gonna harm way less then any other 15 mil population city. I mean it’s only 170 km line, imagine how many roads are in other typical cities which destroys the ecosystem of local species

[@kjmorley]

They’ll need a full-time crew just to clean up the dead birds.😂

[@ChunkyJo]

Don't worry. This will never come to fruition.

[@quinnobi42]

This concept feels to me like it would be more at home in a sci-fi movie than real life.

[@capedkat]

Yup and even on screen it would look insane when given the time to think about it for 2 whole seconds.

[@friendlyfire3412]

Its just Impratical,Stupid, Do they even hired a Just a randomarse guy who's just doesnt know how to build things?

[@jorgepeterbarton]

Yes and not on earth but some other flat planet with very specific needs which i currently can't imagine. It reminds me of circular ring space stations, except rolled out.

[@devilgames2217]

It'd be down for it as a video game or movie setting. IRL? It's an F NO from me.

[@Daniel_0778]

@@friendlyfire3412 saying someone who even use fake account in youtube😏..Everything is possible in this world you du*basss!!

[@sahanasen1322]

HANDS DOWN SHE IS ONE OF THE BEST PERSONS OUT THERE TO CRITICIZE, CONSTRUCTIVELY TOO ON THIS PLATFORM ABOUT ARCHITECTURE RELATED TOPICS!!!!!🙌✨

[@Spaceghost918]

It's amazing, they solved all the problems and challenges of today's modern cities by just not thinking about them!

[@ilyeslabanda16]

tbh thats what humans always did

[@jamesgraham0906]

so true lol

[@Shuizid]

They also created new ones.

[@Gabriel-jg5wh]

forgot to remind you world's top architects and engineers will be working here. You're opinion simply don't matter

[@Spaceghost918]

@@Gabriel-jg5wh no one is going to live there it's simply not going to happen

[@jerickson_abuel]

I like the idea of it as a creative exercise. I get to imagine what would I do with the constraints presented. But as a real project it presents more problems than solutions it could offer. It also kind of reminds me of the movie "Snowpiercer". Could be a real problem for anyone living there who is not a billionaire.

[@mtell620]

It's not for the regular people of the world

[@caitlinflannery5028]

Totally reminds me of snowpiercer too. That was one of my first thoughts!

[@nl8345]

And they still need some regular people to run this. They'll just live "below The Line"

[@coffeyvideoproductions7767]

I didn't see "Snowpiercer" but it reminds me of "Elysium."

[@Bustermachine]

@@coffeyvideoproductions7767 That's basically petro states in general. The Gulf States are particularly acute examples of the resource curse in action.

[@keinaanabdi6821]

Long story short: a lot of design ideas has been put on the king’s table, he liked this one so he’s building it regardless of the cost and no one can say anything about it.

[@C4H10N4O2]

It's like they looked at all the technology and savoir faire we have today, and tried to find the most farfetched idea they could get away with by using all these tools.

[@Dead_Goat]

@@C4H10N4O2 They wanted something people would invest in but something that would be impossible. This way they can pocket all the money and never finish anything without being blamed.

[@dadeee7776]

@@Dead_Goat sounds like Dubai so many failed projects 🤣 sometimes trillions just land in the wrong hands totally not surprised, when you’ve never had to work a day in your life spending money is pretty damn easy

[@ryananggoro493]

@@dadeee7776 rich people whim

[@deusexaethera]

To quote Mel Brooks: "It's good to be the king!"

[@Deviiie]

Isn't this close to the Red Sea fault line too? So seismic activity will have a huge impact.

[@ChristopherDraws]

When I saw the marketing for this city, I absolutely thought it was a viral teaser for a new dystopian movie or TV show. Listening to your critique of it - and in particular about how idea creation happens within cities - it weirdly makes sense that an authoritarian regime would be behind this type of concept (fewer chances to "colour outside the lines" when all you have is one long line).

[@jhonklan3794]

Honestly, compared to the rest of Saudi that dystopia seems like heaven!

[@acelovebot905]

@@jhonklan3794 the fuck you know about Saudi Arabia? right so stfu

[@koenvandiepen7651]

I think it is way more important to realize that these kind of nonsensical concepts that er completely separate from reality only come about in authoritarian regimes. Because in any other system the idea would get shot down for being a waste of time energy and money

[@Nat3YT]

@@koenvandiepen7651 I would not say that. Yes, this project is pretty ridiculous, but I would not say that every sort of unreal concept is inherently bad. In fact, big projects with seemingly out-of-world ideas are what made China build such big and prosperous cities, and they are the reason we keep evolving. The way of seeing things only through a lens of "what we have, and if we waste it if we try" is safe, yet very counter-revolutionary. It is the same reason why Germany stopped growing, since they enforce too many regulations and thus practically prevent big projects from existing.

[@theemo874]

I'm just wondering, what will happen if an earthquake arrived. Let's assume a strong earthquake with a magnitude of 8. Since it's quite litteraly a line , how structurally supported is it?. Won't the damage of one platform or building create a domino effect and topple other things. Not to mention , the whole plan is to make it in layers. U can't really overcome nature , one strong earthquake and it's going to be extremely dangerous . Won't people get trapped too in these situations?

[@o2kala649]

This reminds me of living in the Snowpiecer. The problems with this city is that it does not make use of the inherent advantage a grid of streets gives you. The advantage is that you can get from place to place through multiple means. This is also a safety concern. Getting to a place in multiple ways helps address fires, medical emergencies, etc. Having one line of transportation is not efficient - that’s already been proven. What about the sound and vibration of the trains relative to the proximity of housing etc.. living in a box is not a good idea! You need to be out in the world, along the coast, and minimizing the impact on the landscape.

[@dragoneyeshatesg00gle76]

This entire project was initiated by WEF our unholy forth Reich Nazi Wannabe leader Schwab the one who's trying to kill off 7 out of every 8 people on the planet and make those left eat bugs while the 1% get free rain of the planet as their playground. Seriously its straight out of those movies where the peons can only look at where the rich live while they live in squalor and they are only a fraction away from pulling it off. This project is to displace the population that's left into easily controlled environments that don't interfere with the rich peoples play grounds god forbid should Schwab have to see peons at his favorite beach where he likes to parade around looking like a fairy with wings in lace and a thong!

[@KarlDMarx]

It is actually a pretty dumb idea.

[@RickieBeubie]

@@KarlDMarx yeah pretty dumb, using high end technology that doesn't exist yet but not taking advantage of a grid layout that have proven to be efficient for centuries

[@ligametis]

many cities don't have grid and to be fair grid is ugly and extremely boring.

[@KarlDMarx]

@@ligametis but a line is more exciting?

[@aabharoocha]

if Claustrophobia was a city, it would look like the line. Just the thought of living in a city like this feels like being in a dystopian.

[@rumeat]

For sure, it is like they crossed the cities from Judge Dredd, The Fifth Element, and Blade Runner. Not to say Galactic City ( Planet Coruscant) from Star Wars.

[@nicholasmcculloch727]

Battery chickens . . . .

[@anaqatukiofficial1469]

I don't know why everyone assumes that it's like a post nuclear war city lol, everyone can go outside to the beaches and mountain climbing, they literally building 2 huge marinas for boats and yachts outside, just think of it as a very big residential complex

[@themore-you-know]

Wait until poverty kicks in... ... and tent cities prop up the walk ways, and... ...some people off themselves on the central train lines, and... ... riots transform the city's linearity into a complete deadlock.

[@hsalqahtani]

you are the type of girl that emigrated from her country and now she has an opinion on other nations.

[@architecture_lovers]

"Building a city from scratch instead of solving the existing problems is the antidote assist of sustainability" I completely support this viewpoint.

[@reidshadowlegends4328]

What I find scary about "city with its own laws" is that it would create an environment where controlling the citizens would be really easy. The city's lay out would make it so much easier to force the citizens so stay in their apartments. To me this just sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen.

[@oxey_]

only rich people are gonna live there anyway, people who can and will move if oppressed. There's no way they can pull that off

[@gabriolinari]

yeah, basically a fancy prison in line with agenda 2030 sustainability goals. aka GR

[@MMaRsu]

Saudi Arabia really has no issues laying down their own laws and opressing people

[@moneyobsessed]

the goal is to have a gov that looks more presentable/trustable than saudi one

[@iwkdoy]

@@oxey_ but what about the people in the service sector? The one's who clean, work in shops and keep the whole city running will probaly also have to live there, I assume.

[@sl8roni134]

an additional thing that I dont see many people talking about: the trains failing. if even one "pod" or whatever they decide to use fails; whether it be crashing, malfunctioning, or anything else, half of the ENTIRE transport system is down until that single unit or issue is fixed. especially if you can only go in one direction. if it happens to be the case that both lines have different or the same issues within the same time period; the entire city MUST move around on foot; maybe on bikes if they have even planned for those to be included

[@creeper7ech520]

And according to the promotional material its 170km long which means if you live in a different section from where you work you would basicly have to run a marathon just to get to work everyday

[@primaryesthethicinstincts4832]

Designing a city involves allot of tradeoffs (multi-objective optimization) and we need more in-depth information to really judge the design.

[@jokeralfeeen]

more than 1 train lines man this is a very simple issue

[@omaxshendy5732]

when an idiot try to have a big brain moment lol.

[@imienazwisko4219]

You are right but if you look at 2:20 there are multiple options for transport also people could cycle

[@Shoelid]

there are lots of ideas like this: people always want to 'build something from scratch and get everything right from the very start'. There are two issues with that approach. First, the period of time when you start making a plan is always the time when you are least prepared to complete it. By the time you're halfway done, you're going to know a lot more about whats needed to complete your project. This means you should be prepared to change and pivot as you continue. Second, these kinds of grand plans always underestimate how big the little problems are. How do you get produce and products to every store in the city? How do you even get into the city? What if you want to move a new couch into your apartment, how will that work? Who will do maintenance on everything? its like... you ever watch those videos on the billionaire mansions with tons of open space and 18 bathrooms and 4 kitchens? Most of the time when I see those, all I can think about is how awful it would be to live there on a day to day basis. Sadly, real life doesn't fit inside a line.

[@volkova6209]

This is an underrated comment, well said

[@TheStrangeBloke]

great comment.

[@bencepihe7887]

And you think they didnt consider these?? Dont be jelous lol.

[@sofiebrammer1482]

At least the last points like "how to get in/Out" and "how to make changes" might in my view something which is simply not intended by those who want to build this 😬 I mean, saudi arabia is generally not known for respecting humans rights and freedom of the individual. "The Line" also gives much power over the people who would live inside it. Maybe I am totally wrong with that, but those were the first thoughts I had in mind when I heared about this project.

[@puddingsimon2626]

@@sofiebrammer1482 you will live in the Wall and eat da bugs, you will own nothing to limited things and be maybe happy?

[@kb3dow]

I am very impressed by the quality of this video, not just the presentation material but also the critical opinion on this project from an engineering, archiectural, and political point of view.

[@JovanKo314]

I was part of this "Engineering Exploration" program in high school, and to expose us to a little bit of civil engineering/city planning concepts, we were tasked to design a city concept from scratch. Obviously, none of us had any experience about the possible problems of different concepts, and so most of our designs, while having a noble idea in theory to solve one problem, creates lots of other problems that we didn't know to expect. "The Line" looks like one of those high school projects that we made. An idealized concept whose only real function is to look "cool," "innovative," or "futuristic," without the foresight of being able to solve any real problems. Even as someone who's not an architect, civil engineer, or city planner, I can see so many problems with this. You hit it right on the nose in this video with your point, "They're forcing these constraints that create so many issues, and saying they'll just solve those issues with better technology.

[@grb2015]

And this is why it is not a good design

[@MouseGoat]

And in the end the "better technology." will just be to punch a hole in the side to get some fresh air in and build a actual functional city. But man im worried for the animal life, just cutting of all inland life of from the sea... yeah i have a had time not seeing that ending up creating a big problem

[@Cristian-xy4kq]

U take all the credits again, its all about ARCHITECTURE.

[@primaryesthethicinstincts4832]

I think a the 'line' design was chosen to minimize the energy and other cost associated with maintaining a habitable environment in the desert. I think heat and moisture dissipation are much more manageable with this design. Ultimately I'm pretty sure the Saudis have the resources to hire the best people to design this city. Designing a city involves allot of tradeoffs (multi-objective optimization) and we need more in-depth information to really judge the design.

[@megustaav]

@@primaryesthethicinstincts4832 yet it would be better to build a circle. Imagine you have to move from one point to another and there is some accident on the road. In this example, you got just one way. One problem causes a possible problem for whole city. It's like New York had just one line of subway and it went bust.

[@palepicturesmedia7270]

A line shape requires the same public buildings (schools, grocery stores, sports clubs, town halls etc.) to be built more often to serve the same amount of residents compared to a classic circular layout where residents can live in the entire radius around public buildings. Just a basic thought I had immediately from playing too much Anno

[@jvdacosta1]

The city I live in (Brasilia, Brazil) was built some 60y ago like that and I can tell you it doesn't work in real life because, just to give a couple of examples, your favorite grocery store might not be the one build in your neighbourhood but another one that is far away. Your doctor might also be in another sector. And so on. It's illogical to impose humans how they have to live they everyday life and if tried it might fail. At least here in Brasilia it failed miserably

[@abdirahmanahmed3514]

In Saudi Arabia there are many people don't have homes for

[@joylox]

Honestly, a circle makes a lot more sense even from a purely mathematical standpoint. Or if they really wanted to, an oval of some sort, perhaps even a star with residential branches coming out of the centre. It's a way to use more space where a line makes me think of a really long cruise ship or something, where the things in the middle can't see out or are surrounded by other things (you can't make a space unique as easily leading to lots of the same building plans), and with a circle, you'd be able to be closer to things without having to build too high up.

[@mikeciul8599]

Interesting that they said this city is not built around machines. Seems to me like the thing that benefits most from a straight-line plan is the train line. I love trains, but is that really any closer to building around people?

[@mosab13]

What if they want to expand though

[@jaybee946]

The fact that this is taken even the tiniest bit seriously is insane. The problems are just so fundamental and obvious, along with just being generally impossible to actually construct. I'm curious what is actually going to happen with this insane project. Will it just never get built and they hope everyone forgets it was proposed?

[@markcolt1114]

Probably. But the Saudis are desperate to display themselves as a paradise for the wealthy to live now that Oil is going out of fashion... so I wouldn't be surprised if a TON of money gets pissed away.

[@brandonthesteele]

Using occam's razor leads one to the idea that NEOM is the result of people around MBS selling him on an enormous monument with all these bells and whistles and will maintain Saudi Arabia's influence, and pocketing lots and lots of money with no intent on doing much with it. Along the way, they get to grab lots of land.

[@sloppynyuszi]

Construction has started already. I wonder how far they will take it. Their 1km tower has been sitting at 200m since 2018 I think

[@mosab13]

Cry more

[@specialkonacid6574]

Don't worry about it. it's sustainable and green and all that warm fuzzy stuff.

[@iamdeejayross]

The more professionals critique this, the more i'm rooting for it. If it works, its gonna be revolutionary !

[@0PTIC5]

The sunlight reflecting off the mirror to create heat zones was the first thing that came to mind. If they have a forest there, it'll dry up fast. The water would be very very hot.

[@jorgepeterbarton]

It doesn't even have a proposal to collect such heat zones for energy does it. I would have thought it could be used

[@M__Amor]

It's in the middle of the desert so no trees

[@blackbird8837]

@@M__Amor ikr?? duuuh... makes you wonder if people actually watched the video..

[@0PTIC5]

@@M__Amor Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video.

[@Lankypng]

@@M__Amor Cool. Trees aren't the only wildlife that exists though.

[@nlbadguy]

The studio I'm currently working at was tasked to provide concept renderings for a segment of this project. I won't go into details (for my own safety and for keeping the job), but I will say that you can't imagine the "guidelines" we were given. And the majority of us are architects and among ourselves, we had so many questions. Me personally was concern with most of things said here in the video, and would like to add: traffic >what happens if there is an accident on the road? In cities as we know traffic disperses to the other routes. Here you have one big highway and can only go back and forward. plumbing> how in the name of Corbusier would plumbing here look like? You would basically have to treat every segment like it's "Unite de Habbitacion" itself or like one big building for itself. Foliage> It should be illegal to provide a misleading image of a full-grown tree with a canopy of 3m in diameter and only 0.5-1m growing ground depth. (Ironically this is part of my job) That "thermal diagram" is pure nonsense. The hot air rises-true, but it prevents cool air from entering the same way. Meaning cool air is supposed to be input from below so as it heats up rises and vents out. As it is fun to work on projects like this (we literary went full-on crazy with some building concepts) - It is very concerning to think that ideas like this are forced while disregarding some of the issues that are known for decades now (like negative impact on the wildlife habitat). And the thought of being part of it (by working on it) makes it even worse. As @DamiLee said here architects put their client's interest over their own, and when your client is the monarch - you can only do as he asks you to do or he will find someone else to do it as he wants it.

[@spacecowboy07723]

When the train stops then 9million people are late to work. Simple! No problem there lol

[@vastvoids]

The plumbing alone sounds like a nightmare to even plan. Then again Burj Khalifa have their poop trucks lined up outside, maybe they'll do the same here lol

[@heyfriday523]

It was the wildlife and foliage problem that struck me the most. I'm by no means a professional, but the amount of plants and all... Not only do they need space, they need care too that isn't given there from the natural surrounding. Also, the ventilation concept. If that means the plants must manually be kept cool too, then the cicle of wasted effort is kinda complete, isn't it? And what about the animals. It sounds like a super-clean concept that would guarantee fox-and-mouse-free streets and i can't find anything about how natural wildlife will pass trough the line. If theres even a chance. If i, as a human, would be tasked with finding one hole between 170km of mirrors, i'd pretty much give up right away. Not even talking about how desoriented wildlife can become when confronted with a huge wall of reflections. I just hope it stays a fun 3D project and never actually sees the daylight.

[@GillfigGarstang]

@@Tbop3 It seems a bit self defeating to drop clients every time you think they are spending their money unwisely. Unless you are in a position to talk some sense into the idiotic Saudi Prince behind this whole folly there really isn’t much that can be done to prevent this train-wreck from happening so you may as well profit from it if you can.

[@demetter7936]

Saudi Arabia government is always right with thousands of scientists and engineers working on this you are stupid.

[@Pers0n97]

Feels like the perfect example of form over function to me.

[@jimmiestevens7581]

let's put the usual criticism for saudi arabia aside, the concept if you think about it is actually smart for a desert climate. - It's a mirror so it fits perfectly in the desert without having a noticeable impact on the landscape, it blends in perfectly. - Its a condensed line so that the urban sprawl wouldn't take over all the natural landscape, it seems they want to maximize the empty natural space and they don't want to damge it. - It is closed so that you can control the environment inside, you see, the desert is a very harsh and hot place , having condensed space will make it easier to cool it down and even spend less energy because everything is in one place. - There will be linear trains and any spot can be reached within 20 min, removing thousands of waiting hours lost in traffic jams. I think the city here is like an iphone lol, hiding all the details and concentrating them in one place for better efficiency and minimal look. So I understand where they are coming form.

[@yinlu3610]

@@jimmiestevens7581 Even with listing the “pros” of doing this, the cons are still a pretty serious issue.

[@jimmiestevens7581]

@@yinlu3610 I have been to Saudi arabia once, people there love indoors! The go to work with their air conditned cars, spend the day at the office then go to a mall, They spend most of their time indoors away from the sun! If you walk outside in the streets you will find almost no one walking! I know it's not a perfect concept but I understand where they are coming from considering the fact that the saudi people love indoor environments away from the hot desert

[@jimmiestevens7581]

​@@CORZER0the low IQ "sand N" are 100% having a better life than you. and at least they are developing their countries away from oil and are having new ambitious ideas unlike other countries LOL

[@eliteextremophile8895]

​@@jimmiestevens7581 Looks like you didn't really watch this video, so let's take the other perspective for your comment. - It's a mirror, so how do you keep it intact? How do you make sure it doesn't wear out fast considering the sandstorms etc? - It's condensed wall reaching 170km so it will divide nature in that area and create catastrophe for the animals there. - It's so very condensed that if the life preserving system especially on the lower levels fails, everyone will have a bad time. - There comes technical problem with single part of the transportation system and all of a sudden 9 million people are all at impasse. Nobody's gonna get anywhere. I mean, have you ever seen news about train system that has never had any technical problems? With this design the whole system goes down with basically one line being out of order. Also they're kinda hinting they're gonna go for something like hyperloop. That's just not gonna work. This wall is total nightmare. Why does it even have to reach in-land deep into the desert? That's just one more engineering problem considering water. The wall is a goddamn skyscraper and we all know how problematic those are. How about terrorist attacks? You can bring the whole "town" on its knees with one small attack.

[@ZaherArraf]

I haven’t watched the video to the end yet, it’s worthwhile mentioning the project of this city was decreased from 170km to 1 or 2 km

[@baloog8]

Not low enough..😅

[@torquilcolbo1589]

It's weird that they're committed to this solid wall all the way along. They could easily put a lot of gaps in there, you could still have walkways connecting the sections, the underground train, etc... It would still be impressive and yet create wildlife corridors, room for movement among the preexisting tribes, etc...

[@galacticcannibl1966]

Everyone has helicopters

[@biggycheese1481]

give the tribes helicopters

[@BOBBOBBOBBOBBOBBOB69]

You think the Saudis care about human life lol.

[@quentinchapelain1419]

preexisting tribe hahahahahahahaha

[@torquilcolbo1589]

@@quentinchapelain1419 I mean, yeah? It was in the video. People live in that region and you're giving them some sci-fi wall you can't walk around.

[@Oscar-ep4qr]

One of my greatest concerns is that - even if many of the problems were overcome (practical, social and environmental) - renders often look more vivid than the reality, so the one great selling point - that it looks futuristic - might fail; It might end up looking and feeling claustrophobic and artificial.

[@David-js2vp]

I agree, the renders are not likely to match the final product. I'm expecting something between a modern airport and a large shopping centre, as in looks great when first opens but after five years starts to look tired as maintenance services cannot keep up with the work as components age, break or fail.

[@grzegorzdomagala9929]

Exactly - renders always look pristine. Clean white walls, lusch wegetation, invisible machinery and mirrors on the outside. Practical implementation - if ever realised - will have a lot of gray beton, a few planters with rickety trees and dirty machinery. Like the "entering Zion" scene from matrix :) This project feels like a metro station. They look very nice directly after grand opening, but after a ferw years actual use they start to smell like dust and pee...

[@attractiveguy5445]

Also this is not the first time they build a city and abandon it in Saudi Arabia, they have many many failed or abandoned projects, and they have money to make everything green tomorrow if they wanted to. All the money was in Lebanon (before the crisis and the fall of Lebanese Lira) and now mostly Switzerland banks. they are hoarding it like dragons, so why bother with the poor?

[@skaffoe_lobby]

It probably will look like that, because it is.

[@Ria.ray77257]

I can say with full honesty that i could NEVER live somewhere as cramped and crowded-looking as this place. Just the THOUGHT of living somewhere, constantly surrounded by crowds and communities, as well as all those structures packed next to each other, jutting out into the middle of the line, it genuinely makes me feel sick, not to mention the lack of sunlight and fresh air and as the the girl in the vid said- this is a LITTERAL breeding ground for DISEASE. Just think about living in a place like this makes me feel sick to my stomach, I can just imagine this image in my head of rats trapped in a cage, all crawling over one another because of a lack of space and then Muhammad Bin Salman standing above the cage watching them fight for space. Maybe that sounds extreme but thats what this entire concept makes me think of. Im very curious about what Salmon's true motives are behind this project.🤔🧐😶😒

[@peachyjoon6673]

i find it surprising that no one is talking about quality of life. the people that would live in this project would be wealthy, considering how much money would go into it and the advanced technology, meaning they already live in a pretty good position. why would they willingly move into the line? a place where you are essentially trapped in a confined space, everything looks the same, you loose touch with the real outside world, you loose the conception of size, etc. now i know that these technological inventions are supposed to improve quality of life, but i am having an insanely hard time imagining that no one will go completely mental after being trapped in this box for a considerable amount of time.

[@peterbelanger4094]

It really looks more like a hominid storage system, capable of being scaled up to full 'Matrix' capability.

[@csababobalo8692]

its a smal sacrivece to save the world, and on the briht side, when you go outside you wil actualy be in untouched nature

[@peachyjoon6673]

@@csababobalo8692 but it doesn't save anything. it actually causes more damage than good, didn't you watch the video where she listed dozens of reasons as to why this build will be detrimental to nature and wildlife in the country? it makes a line 500m tall, cutting the country into two separate pieces, with no way to cross except for animals with wings (keep in mind that most bird fly at 150m height except for during migrations), who most of will probably fly into the wall and die.

[@peachyjoon6673]

@@peterbelanger4094 it does yeah

[@marktaylor6553]

Its being built so that the people in-charge can keep everyone in-LINE. Its so blatantly obvious they are probably giggling and rubbing their hands together, old-school villain style.

[@Randuski]

Well it’s a year later. They are building the line currently. I don’t think they spent enough time thinking about this shit, cause I think it’s gonna be a disaster.

[@rickstahh]

When I first saw the announcement of this project, I was really surprised at all the positive media they got. Honestly being an Architect, we have always learned that organic growth always happens when things are spread across, not in a linear form. The Line according to me is a disastrous design.

[@Profile_2222]

How do you know that, we never had a city like this?

[@luise3989]

@@Profile_2222 exactly, we never had a city like that hence it might be unnatural to human activities

[@Profile_2222]

@@luise3989 Imagine if they thought that when they started to build an aeroplane, car, phone, elevator?

[@dxfault576]

@@Profile_2222 ur not very bright are u? u dont even need to be an architect or designer to see how these are completely different from one another

[@Profile_2222]

@@dxfault576 I'm not that bright, please explain me how are they different? People invented them to solve problems like transport and communication, LINE is trying to solve: "how to have a city of 7 million people with zero air polution and zero traffic problems" If LINE solves those problems it's a pretty big deal if we consider that world's best minds are all in agreement that we must stop air polution ASAP. Maybe there are better ways than this ofc, countries should start competing in their eco friendly cities all over the globe. I just can't see why is this project "bad", why wouldn't we look at it with some optimism? Maybe because it's too east for us?

[@Fearox]

I love, that you started with the impact on all the ecosystems. As an aspiring landscape architect that was my first major concern on the LINE.

[@ramelio2662]

It's so funny to see all these "CO2 free" city project just not mentioning how are they going to extract and bring trillion dollars worth of materials in a freaking desert.

[@ko-Daegu]

i like how yall care about ecosystem of a freaking dessert and place that was neglected for years all of a sudden yall actually care

[@ko-Daegu]

@@ramelio2662 the whole country is in a dessert with this concept they shouldnt be living from the first place 🤣

[@ramelio2662]

@@ko-Daegu Even if this was not in a desert. The simple fact to build a city of this scale from scratch today is an ecological aberration. And this cost is pretty much never mentioned in those « utopic ecofriendly » cities…

[@ko-Daegu]

@@ramelio2662 they said it's a trillion dollar, anyway it's their money I don't really give a fuck to be honest if they made it I will probably go and check it out but never really live their

[@psychedelicdreamer986]

The first thing I'm thinking of is the amount of birds that will be killed by these horrible mirrors. It makes me sad. I'm glad you're talking about the environmental impact of this monstrousity. I hope it doesn't get built at all.

[@HondaWyo]

the first thing i think how misrable life would be there, mainly cuz its in a desert

[@WindTurbineSyndrome]

Anyone who gets kicked out will be sent outside to die of thirst.

[@tecknodragon]

One person posted that they see one or two birds a day in that area. Not sure on the accuracy of that

[@AlejandroLZuvic]

​@@tecknodragonthis thing is going to be 170 km long (100+ miles). Assume the guy who said that was watching for birds literally 24/7, then yes, this horrible thing would bother "only" a thousand birds a day (as a low estimate of 3 birds per day * 170 km * 2 because I'm assuming the guy can see up to 250 meters into either direction). That may not be massive but there are other animals in the desert.

[@mohmmedalofee2602]

الجدران ان تكون مغلقه

[@Ghost_of_Robespierre]

I think you made a mistake, his name is pronounced "Mr. Bonesaw-Man"

[@sfisabbt]

The line is the only network topography where every location is a single point of failure. This is what happens when you plan a city without involving any city planner.

[@midasredblade236]

if this city gets built....IF

[@sfisabbt]

@@midasredblade236 Well, the thing with totalitarian regime is, the desire of the leader can overthrow the common sense of the experts and lead to total disaster. Now clearly, a country with that many enemies shouldn't build the most vulnerable city design possible. You only need to cut one point to break the city in half. Also, every new section increases the load on the transit system on the side for external exchange and in the middle for internal transit. Imagine how packed the wagons will be at peak hour in the middle of the line.

[@Sauvenil]

@@sfisabbt There's a reason cities are built more like a circle than a line. The line would make a bit more sense if the ends touched instead, for obvious reasons.

[@Etrehumain123]

@@sfisabbt Absolutly, during the last steps toward nuclear power in North Korea (around 2005), Kim Jong Un invested full power to finishing the job instead of feeding the people

[@saschabaer3327]

Wouldn’t every tree (in the graph-theoretic sense, i.e. a connected network without any cycles) have this property? A failure at any point except at the ends of branches would disconnect parts of it.

[@AJSS5942]

One of my standards for whether or not I would want to settle in a city is how sure I can be that it will still be healthy when my children want to have children. No city is perfectly stable, but I can think of no worse place to leave a legacy than a place with no precedent, no natural reason for existing, and single points of failure for everything. This is not a city that could recover from a disaster. Think of Mumbai, New York, London, Cairo; these are all places that have been settled, under many different names, for thousands of years. In three thousand years, there will still be people living where Mumbai is today. In three thousand years, archaeologists will puzzle over the stupidity of the line city-if they ever find it at all.

[@rezahussain5886]

Mumbai will very likely be underwater in 100 years. But yeah, in 3000 years it might be back again.

[@MrMrKeeg]

@@rezahussain5886 Membegh. DEH DEH DEH DEH DEH

[@AJSS5942]

@@rezahussain5886 Maybe it's a bad example, but substitute it with a more inland city like Delhi or Mexico City and my logic still holds.

[@雷-t3j]

@@AJSS5942 Mexico city is a perfect example of how change can make a city better off dead. It has so many problems that basically all came about after the Spanish used it in ways it wasn't designed for, culminating in skyscapers on slowly sinking foundations.

[@Gobbersmack]

This city is not being made for people with children.

[@DevinParker]

One of the things Mohammed bin Salman shares with the techbros of Silicon Valley is how enamored they seem to be with utopian visions that require all-new, top-down construction *somewhere else* (that never *quite* deliver on the public good aspect with which they sell it) while ignoring the horrific problems that already exist right outside their own windows.

[@eavyeavy2864]

Mind your own wokeness

[@eavyeavy2864]

Had you care about it, you would protest at usa and uk bombing MENA all year round. But no. It is bad when non-western do it.

[@nosh5081]

How simple it really is to look at some pictures and generalize them..these pictures represent small areas and not the majority, just as before you look at the faults of others, fix your faults first..look at the problem of the homeless in the streets, why doesn't your government help them? Why is your crime rate much higher than ours?

[@InXLsisDeo]

@@ghost_mall The problem is it wouldn't feed Mohamed Bone Saw's huge ego and he would show some interest in his own people. While promoting this insane fantasy of his at the expense of his country, and pitching it to idiotic and naive investors while completely discarding the populace is so much more rewarding for his self gratification. This project makes no sense whatsoever and creates new problems instead of solving the existing ones. It is basically the brainchild of someone who has zero education in urban planning and architecture and zero regard whatsoever to those who will live there (if anyone does). It is absolutely certain it will be a massive failure.

[@mbg4681]

@@nosh5081 >> before you look at the faults of others, fix your faults first _Tu quoque_ fallacy

[@matthewdenckla6567]

Another great video! I live in San Francisco, where the transit system is historically designed to focus the whole region on downtown San Francisco (though cars and highways make it easier to "metabolize" realities like San Jose rising to have double SF's population and "reverse commuting" to satellite corporate compounds throughout the region). What the Saudi Prince should be briefed upon is that San Francisco is ALREADY a case study in the problems of over-emphasizing a tiny version of "Neom" with it's existing transit system today, right now, and observable maintenance and usage. That's the four stops of overlapping "MUNI" and "BART" systems in a small corridor just around 2 (not 170!) kilometers long as the "heart" of the transit plan for the whole area. There are TWO tracks for MUNI and TWO tracks for BART passing through this section of the entire area.. and if there is a problem at any of these four stations... transit is slowed or stopped for the City and the region at subsurface and this "pinch point." IF there is an accident, such as a suicide on one track, then one system is immediately crippled to 50% capacity using a single track for reduced train traffic in both directions. An earthquake, in theory, could make both tracks disrupted or unsafe and kill the entire flow indefinitely. In my opinion, this has already shown to be a disaster, propped up by emergency deployment of surface buses (less efficient and, in the case of BART, impossible to replicate the efficiency of up to 10 packed train carriages every five minutes or so in rush hour) and then the surface buses further congest the street level and bridge pinch points so it's not an actual competitive alternate use case, it's just how you rescue people from a system that has no other redundancy which can help. Even without tragedy, how do you maintain or upgrade the system without massive inconvenience? In my thirty years of living in SF, routine maintenance has meant that evening or overnight service just goes away for months at a time, which creates not only social but economic woes for the central area.. in NEOM, there would be curfews or "just walk 40 km to see your uncle if you must" scenarios! Again, the ONLY reason this is tenable is that the foolishly unitary section of the transit system is LESS than two kilometers and we have surface level options. The contrasting example is NYC, where there are so many lines, that an entire line can be CLOSED and only the people served only by that radial line are impacted, but the majority of people can adapt immediately by moving to another subway or train line and then lesser inconvenience of surface transit in outlying, less dense areas. By building a system that emphasizes a single, unitary and unified system, when (not if, but when, as all things fail, or get compromised by crime or terrorism) that slips, people will be forced to walk MUCH more than "five minutes' to get to friends or family up to 170 km away! Thanks for reading!

[@3boodd528]

Really respect the amount of research you've done for this video.

[@reapersmercy7283]

I'm just here to be a benchmark, I have never seen a comment get 232 likes and NO replies! like damn, this was just universal 𝙮𝙚𝙨.

[@C4H10N4O2]

Especially when you can just look at the concept for a few minutes and realize it's needlessly complicated and overall stupid. Staying neutral after that would be hard to me, I'd clearly have a bias.

[@debbiehall9396]

Me too! I like and agree w/everything she has to say.

[@CaptainJacksIsland]

As someone who's lived in that country, I can see how this idea came about. It was hot and someone was like, "Wouldn't it be so much nicer if everything was inside?" It's a thought everyone has when it's 120°F or higher 🙆‍♂️

[@varunemani]

Exactly the idea is as good as a really huge long mall space, which coincidentially are the favorite meeting / shopping spots for Saudi's.

[@39Thorns]

If being inside is the goal, going underground seems way better than building a bunch of glass walls.

[@amiernahdijr]

@@39Thorns without sunlight?

[@39Thorns]

@@amiernahdijr Not at all, there are plenty of ways to introduce natural light into an underground space.

[@amiernahdijr]

@@39Thorns how?

[@jadou34]

Even without the proper education, I could see that The Line was more of a vanity project than an actually well-planned, well-designed city that would take its inhabitants' needs in mind while being sustainable. This video confirmed all my reservations

sustainable is boring, arab countries need to shine with material things to attract people, things that can't be found elsewhere.

[@HaqimHimself]

America is a vanity country in every shape or form. So what are you talking about?

[@primaryesthethicinstincts4832]

@ You are right but at the same time allot narcissist are getting butt-hurt over a design of a building

[@stanpines9011]

@ so, vanity projects

[@taharka3897]

Oman 🇴🇲 is the most beautiful country in the middle east, because it has simply design cities.

[@ricijs2000]

''This will be the greatest architectular wonder ever built!!'' A random sandstorm boi - ''Ahem....you guys never learn huh''

[@jk35260]

Science fiction typically depict cities in a dome interconnected to each other. Even building cities in a dome to shields to shield themselves from the harsher environment is going to be extremely challenging. In that sense, Singapore Changi Jewel is a miniaturized version of a city in a dome.

[@rocketsjudoka]

YOu might want to check out Arcology and some of those concepts for building domed and highly resilient cities.

[@ooojonooo]

Not only in the way that it looks in nature/where it's located, but just the way it's structured and how it feels... seems like more of a jail or a micro-managed living space rather than a city of "innovation".

[@timothypage252]

Ah, like Saudi Arabia.

[@ANPC-pi9vu]

That is what the international ruling class of elites want for us. It's why they fly in private jets all over the world on a weekly basis while telling us we need '15 minute cities' and condemning cars. Damn the globalists, the technocrats, the autocrats, and the WEF.

[@leofariasrj-dev]

I think the rulers of Saudi Arabia are watching too much snowpiercer.

[@pengu1309]

@@timothypage252 Yep , I wonder is it because Saudi Arabia doesn't support a woman with a beard ? or a man wearing a skirt ? or is it because it doesn't support western agendas ? nah I think you call it a jail because you feel free when your country allows that.

[@relacionar111]

It a kind of proyect related to religion where people used to be inside with little or nothing of freedom. There arab countries are so extreme for things that make people be dominated. They need invest money in education and transform resources into something they can get money from.

[@jorjicostava2913]

this is basically me when i get into a city builder game with infinite money, the cities are beautiful but are actually a cathastrophy

[@smb123211]

Reminds me of a science fiction movie - nice but it's not reality

[@costafilh0]

SimCity 4 with infinite money. Things would never work regardless!

[@hazemhn91]

Your limits are fictional,, ours are the sky.

[@smb123211]

@@hazemhn91 Sounds nice even if not based on reality. These look great in YT videos or presentations but most planned cities work out like Brasilia, Lavasa, Santander and I imagine Nusantara. As a general rule, the more detailed the plan, the greater chance of failure.

[@hazemhn91]

@@smb123211 who decides what's reality and what's not? Most extraordinary plans seems unreal, yet I see lots of them worldwide! Regarding your general rule, this is not General rather it is exceptional. Unleash yourself from the system bro! have a nice one :)

[@martinjohnson4405]

I was born and raised in the Midwest and now live in Colorado: lots of elbow room, lots of big skies, lots of nature. Within a half an hour or so from my home I can be alone out on a mountain trail with all kinds of fauna and flora. I could not live there. Watching the video I was feeling claustrophobic and wondering where the doors are to escape. Then, escape to what? The desert? I worked for a guy who was from the Midwest and was stationed on Hawaii during his military service. He talked about "island fever," the claustrophobia and need to escape. He said after being there awhile there were times he felt that living on Hawaii was like being in prison. I think living in the "line city" would be a prison for me.

[@johnmccarron7066]

The point you brought up about how open cities tend to be excellent grounds for the cross pollination of ideas struck me. It might be something that the designers themselves are aware of. It's virtually impossible to separate the politics of the region from a project like this, and I can't help but think that attempting to stifle that cross pollination might be part of the goal.

[@Stonk_Dude]

Gotta make sure everyone thinks the same and not outside the acceptable limits... This project scares the crap out of me.

[@mogznwaz]

A straight line is somewhat indicative of conformity

[@chemicalsimulationcorner]

You captured all my concerns here perfectly. These are the questions I asked myself too, especially the devastating effects of the mirror to the natural habitat and energy requirements for cooling. My question is, if we, the ordinary people can ask ourselves these questions and identify the pitfalls in the design, why haven't the experts involved in this project identified this? But then again, money and power living unchecked will always lead to disaster - like building on of the tallest building in the world (Burj Khalifa, Dubai) and then having to collect sewage using trucks afterwards, when designing a sewage system should've been the first thing on the blueprint.

[@arbbd751]

Architects are not "ordinary people".

[@TristouMTL]

I imagine the experts involved in the project are probably very much aware of all these problems, but in Saudi Arabia led by MBS, that's not important. No need to say how foolish it is: let it work its multi-billion way through until it shows for itself how ridiculous it is as you feed your children and perhaps get to do some interesting and creative things in your job, even if the end result is a fiasco.

[@isntitrich000]

@@arbbd751 as someone who’s a certified ordinary person, I can confirm that the design, although it lured me with the fancy graphics and idealistic concept, was still troubling to me considering the fact that most of the stuff shown hasn’t been invented yet and it takes a looong time to ensure that something works smoothly, or if it works at all. Plus, it just looks like a normal city forced in between two walls. Based on my experience as a city dweller, I don’t think we even mastered normal cities just yet, let alone this thing.

[@kindlin]

@@isntitrich000 As an engineer, I can confirm your entire post.

[@churblefurbles]

@@isntitrich000 It doesn't work on a practical level, like capsule tower in japan, things too tightly integrated are very expensive to maintain or update. Iphone vs PC design.

[@PeaceRallyOrg]

"At first I thought it was a Metaverse project" - What a great idea! They should create the city in VR now, as a test run, so people can really visualize what life in this city might be like.

[@mdbrewer07]

Great idea

[@name8099]

Then it's gonna cost more than the building the actual city. 3d graphics, modeling & programming aren't that cheap. That's why Christopher Nolan, the director of the movie "Tenet" crashed an actual plane in to the airport, instead of using computer graphics.

[@PeaceRallyOrg]

@@name8099 No, it won't. They are pricing this project at 1 Trillion dollars. Even if it costs 1 Billion to make it in VR, which is a completely outrageous price for a VR project, it would be one thousand times cheaper to build than the actual project.

[@name8099]

@@PeaceRallyOrg yeah You right but don't you think 1 billion for just a VR, isn't it too much? 🤔 I mean that's lotta money after all 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@plumberbummer]

@@name8099 Yes one Billion dollars is way too much, that's what he said, which means it will be thousands of times cheaper to build this in VR than in real life. You might want to try to read things more than once before you respond. Just some constructive criticism.

[@architecture_lovers]

Architecture is, above all, about people. The needs and perspectives of those who will live or work in a building should come first. While sustainability, aesthetics, and innovation are valuable, the comfort of future occupants should not be compromised for the ambitions of others. WE SHOULD NOT SACRIFICE COMFORT FOR THE SAKE OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES!

[@shireenshahizad2337]

I’m not even an architect or involved in any sort of urban planning but I just know that this is possibly the dumbest idea one can think of 😂

[@akosimj9544]

True.

[@Bobsonomatic]

What’s objectively dumb about it?

[@unworthy.potato]

@@Bobsonomatic it’s a line, so what happens when one part of it is cut off? 500m tall mirrors? It’s the middle of a desert (well, they don’t have anywhere else to build I guess), oh yeah and it cuts off all animals from either side

[@MygenteTV]

@@Bobsonomatic the fact that you are even asking this question make you dumber that this whole stupid idea

[@sspectre8217]

@@Bobsonomaticby design it leaves very little room for error. I’m a regular city a rail line or mayor street gets blocked and a region of the city becomes less accessible but you can still get in through secondary roads. If a point on the line’s metro/driveable street gets blocked for some reason then transportation gets completely interrupted from either side beyond that point. Also emergencies like a fire become more dangerous since it can completely interrupt all transportation through that point including just walking

[@Zendrig]

The most important question apart from the thousands of "how" questions is the question of: "WHY". If you don't know how to spend your money, there are a million better things to blow it on than a giant futuristic project in the middle of nowhere.

[@magicortega]

Absolutelly 100% true

[@senseishu937]

Pretty much sums up the whole Gulf area too. Instead of actually fixing issues around the world and in the middle east they think it's a smarter idea to make supercars police cars and spend billions of dollars in the stupidest architect projects around the world, just to "show off".

[@georgemen]

They why is simple. Set up these shit projects to funnel money in to your own pocket or your friends pockets.

[@personmuc943]

@Josef K As a Saudi I wanna tell you that is our money, SAUDI MONEY, We can burn it if we want to, Just watch and cry, western tears are so damn delicious. Lol.

[@didid3ksa]

It’s not middle of nowhere it’s Moses mountain where god revel himself

[@aguynamedscott11]

The Line is the type of concept people come up with when they have never lived in the real world and know nothing about real world conditions.

[@wyskass861]

So exactly the Saudi prince MBS, murderer and absolute ruler. Of course people will take his money and he won't want to hear no.

[@schiacciatrollo]

wrong. this to me seems a jealous statement only .. just for not being creative .. my concern is the saying the city is built around the people .. when saudi arabia has its challenges with and about the human rights .. that is the ethical stand .. i would like to know what the people in there would or could produce ..

[@brockoala2994]

So AI?

[@schiacciatrollo]

@@brockoala2994 you never will live there ..

[@brockoala2994]

@@schiacciatrollo Yeah, because it will never exist.

[@CBGBBB]

BIG IF the city gets built…it will turn into the movie snowpiercer without the cold snow! 😅

[@shadanalzayer8747]

I’m from Saudi Arabia and I couldn’t find such informative and unbiased video, thank you 🙏🏼

[@AMaz-zx9sj]

It was biased by the end of the video

[@RobJT]

Jamal Khashoggi called it out as nonsense on Saudi TV. That’s why you don’t get to see unbiased videos. (edit: just got to the part of the video that mentions it)

[@RobJT]

@@AMaz-zx9sj what is biased in this video?

[@blue7lvn245]

With mbs managing it lol

[@AMaz-zx9sj]

@@RobJT bringing up political topics and indicating that this project was just to fix the reputation, if she stayed away from politics, the video would have been better, especially when you tend to hear one side of the story.

[@lamsmiley1944]

I’m not an architect or engineer, but even I can see major issues with this design. My first thought (which you touched on in the video) was how is it going to interact with the wind? Wind travelling perpendicular to the structure would apply massive amount’s of force onto the building and wind travelling parallel would turn the gap in the middle into a 170km wind tunnel. Funnily they keep advertising to me on twitter, if they’re hoping for an investor they’ll be disappointed to hear that I have no money.

[@Bustermachine]

The biggest one is simply geometry. Making the city linear means that you're immensely increasing travel time if you have to leave your 'block'. Which can be ameliorated to an extent by each block being self contained . . . But it's better to retain flexibility than to plan for rigidity.

[@CASSEMELLO]

"if they’re hoping for an investor they’ll be disappointed to hear that I have no money" yes, the richest country in the world needs investors lol keep smiling buddy

[@lamsmiley1944]

@@CASSEMELLO I just clicked one of their Ads, in the dropdown menu their is a “invest” option. So yes, they are looking for investment.

[@yazeedalfrog]

@@CASSEMELLO not even in the top 10 list of the richest countries, and yes of course they need investors for any project like this, don't kid yourself.

[@CASSEMELLO]

@@yazeedalfrog you sound butthurt You clearly don't understand the fact that the Saudi government itself is funding the project- you don't have to agree with me, but you clearly lack a lot of info regarding this project and/or you probably hate Saudis (I'm sensing that in your comment) either way it's non of my business. Just thought what you sound silly and stupid. Sorry.

[@mikegreenguitar]

A 170 km city designed around a high speed rail line is the answer to a question no one is asking. Hard to imagine there are 9 million people who would want to live in: 1) a modular city; 2) in a desert country; 3) with a restrictive government. Probably dreamed up buy some megalomaniac with too much money who's never been told "NO". Great video though!

[@ChrisJones-rd4wb]

its the opposite of modular

[@YurimoHikashi]

​@@ChrisJones-rd4wb he means linear

[@2009samiy]

Mary in the Quran Chapter 3 - Al-Imran Verse 42-43 And when the angels said to Mary: 'Allah has chosen you and purified you. He has chosen you above all women of the worlds. * "O Mary! worship Thy Lord devoutly: Prostrate thyself, and bow down (in prayer) with those who bow down." 45-50 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah. "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous." 'Lord,' she said, 'how can I bear a child when no human being has touched me?' He replied: 'Such is the Will of Allah. He creates whom He will. When He decrees a thing, He only says: "Be," and it is. And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel. "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave(permission); and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe; "And (I come) confirming that which is before me, namely the Torah, and that I declare lawful for you some of the things that had been forbidden to you. I come to you with a sign from your Lord, so take Allâh as a shield and obey me. "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'" Mohammad(Pbuh) Prophesy Song of Solomon 5:16 IN THE Bible חִכּוֹ֙⁠ ḥik-kōw His mouth [is] מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים mam-ṯaq-qîm, most sweet וְכֻלּ֖וֹ⁠ wə-ḵul-lōw and Yes he [is] altogether מַחֲּמַדִּ֑ים‪‬‪‬ "ma-ḥă-mad-dîm"; lovely ma-ḥă-mad-dîm; There Mentioned By Name in your Bible and if you wonder what the IM for Read Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew אֱלֹהִ֑ים ’ĕ-lō-h"îm"; God IM is Plural of Respect in Hebrew Meaning of Mohammad in HEBREW ! חמד The verb חמד (hamad) means to be desirable, pleasant or "praise-worthy". It's usually accompanied with covetous sentiments, a taking delight in or a resolve to obtain or achieve the delightful thing, person or state. Nouns חמד (hemed) and חמדה (hemda) means desire or delight, or describe a precious or delightful thing. Plural noun חמודות (hamudot) means desirableness or preciousness. Nouns מחמד (mahmad) and מחמד (mahmod) denote a place or agent of חמד (hamad); a place, person or thing of desire, pleasure or delight. and in ARABIC mohammad "'praiseworthy' "(derived from the verb ? hamida 'praise'). He Altogether (Praise Worthy ); ma-ḥă-mad-dîm (Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted (James 1:13) God cannot be tempted (John 1:29) Jesus was seen (1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God (Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God (Numbers 23:19, Hosea11:9) God is not a man (Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus died (1 Timothy 1:17) God cannot die (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation (Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation (John 4:6) Jesus grew weary (Isaiah 40:28) God can't grow weary (Mark 4:38) Jesus slept (Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn't sleep (John 5:19) Jesus wasn't all powerful (Isaiah 45:5-7) God is all powerful (Mark 13:32) Jesus wasn't all knowing (Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing Jesus, the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger

[@tomaz3401]

@@2009samiy wtf

[@AslamKhan-oj7ye]

@@tomaz3401 wtf ? what itmeans?

[@tonyguerra136]

All the points made by you here in this video are valid and true, and they post a reality. Whoever had the chance to revise this project, or did not have experience enough and/or (probably both) he was afraid to argue with the prince. From the moment I found out this project was being constructed, I knew it was a idealistic dream and too ambitious project It should be given to Elon to take to Mars. Good for you. You are great. Keep up with those fantastic and realistic observations. They show all the considerations we have to have nowadays to construct a futuristic and ideal world here on Earth. Thanks, Tony-G

[@keno-o1484]

This takes the expression "a one-track mind" to a whole new level. I imagine it'll be hard to think outside of the box, considering that it's a literal Line.

[@mattmathematics3591]

😭

[@d3neu]

Or it's a really long box .lol

[@SweetandFullofGrace]

It's just another "hype thing" which tells how little even educated and so-called smart people understand about basic stuff, same goes for things hyperloop

[@d3neu]

@@SweetandFullofGrace what type of education do you have engineering , environmental sciences, architecture .....

[@Oliveoilgirl]

As middle eastern Architect who lived in that area, the nature of people and the culture will refuse this vertically and compacted way of living, we love the ultimate open horizon and have as much space as we can from neighbors to keep the privacy, it’s no for the us as Arab

[@sulimanarch3092]

As single Saudi architect, you don't have the right the say "the people will refuse this vertically city" please just talk about yourself especially when you're not saudi, is there some problems with the design? Yes and they're searching for solutions, there's a lot for inventions and concepts the people were afraid of or they don't have the courage to take the first step and discouraged the people working on it, but when it see the light they changed their mind and maybe it made there lives much easier

[@Oliveoilgirl]

@@sulimanarch3092 you seems so young to argue with, let’s talk after that building will run. Have a good day

[@abdulelahalharbi1713]

I think he seem more mature than you man😂😂 you are the one that who can’t take it. Also as a Saudi I see you don’t have the right to talk about the people in there and their desire. So don’t take it personally it’s just respond to what you said. no hassle good luck man.

[@Threegnito]

As a saudi architecht… i have no problem.

[@darthnox4914]

Omg you must be so smart to predict such thing! Government is investing billions of money to build this project and they hire hundreds of architects and engineers who are hundreds of times more educated than you. But yeah sure, you have right to state your unworthy opinion as a random “Middle Eastern Architect”.

[@derrenleepoole]

"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should." - Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park.

[@G47-e9r]

Nah this ain't scientists fault. We are curious but not stupid enough to support this. Blame the crazy architects.

[@Chillerll]

@@G47-e9r That's the problem with having a king that can make crazy decisions like that without anyone objecting. All you need to do is to give this one person a good pitch.

[@ohara.]

when you saw journalists to death in foreign countries and the US defends you doing it because you buy arms from them a dumb looking "city" is not that surprising to emerge (saudi arabia, the mother land of silly ideas)

[@yarpen26]

Even if they did, they would simply be swapped for less talented but more agreeable substitutes.

[@origenjerome8031]

Based on experience, the problem here would be regular maintenance. Everything looks nice when brand new, eventually urban decay creeps up. Elevators start failing, lights flickering, sewage system clogs up, ventilation starts malfunctioning....

[@marklangager8817]

Astute. Sharp. Respectful. Compelling. Devastating. Nice work.

[@pault5557]

Exactly! 👍

[@Juice-chan]

When I look at these structures the first thing that strikes my mind is how oppressive these walls look from the inside. You see only a tiny sliver of the sky. And at the ground, it must be 10X worse. There is nothing that would convince me to live in such a place. It is the fuel of dystopian novels. I prefer the ideas from Jacques Fresco or Buckminster Fuller. I am definitely no architect but when I look at Fresco's ideas there are already several advantages. First, they are circular and therefore don't cut through so much space like the line. You have much more degree of freedom to move around. Circular transit systems AND those that go from the edge to the center. Less dependency on building vertical, therefore more freedom for movement impaired people and fewer chances to spread sicknesses. And really important is that your view of the sky doesn't get obstructed. Probably Jacques's ideas have their own sets of problems. Otherwise, we would see those more prominently. But at least they don't crumble just from a surface glance like The Line does.

[@primaryesthethicinstincts4832]

The 'line' design was probably chosen to minimize the energy and other costs associated with maintaining a habitable environment in the desert. I think heat and moisture dissipation are much more manageable with this design. Designing a city involves allot of tradeoffs (multi-objective optimization) hence we really need more in-depth information about the design to really judge it.

[@vineleak7676]

To be honest, the arabian sun is far more oppressive... But this project is realy bad, I realy hope they do it and waste a trillion dollars...

[@Gyvulys]

@@primaryesthethicinstincts4832 Shills keep shillin'

[@primaryesthethicinstincts4832]

@@Gyvulys The people building this thing are major narcissistic freaks, but the people getting butt hurt over this are also racist narcissistic freaks. It's just terrible people on both sides.

[@purple.9919]

@@vineleak7676 yeah, it looks like they only considered efficiency, not human nature.

[@user-yk6jm8zk8g]

Might sound weird, but this project kinda scares me. I mean change is pretty scary so maybe it’s not weird, but it gives the vibe of every “utopia turned dystopian” movie. I think it has some good design ideas, but as you highlighted, there’s a lot of concerns. It also seems best fit for occasional stays rather than residential areas, but that might be a personal/biased opinion.

[@debbiehall9396]

It both upsets ,& concerns me that the Prince cares NOTHING for the tribes of people who have been there for so many hundreds of years. Also what about the wildlife as this channel has also pointed out? NO CONCERN WHATSOVER!

[@marlonbryanmunoznunez3179]

Well, just so you know, this is not gonna work. It depends on technologies that do not exist and are unlikely to ever work. So, what will happen is that MBS will sink a lot of money and depending on where the oil price is when this all comes tumbling down, itwill destabilize his government and might be how the Monarchy ends.

[@radhiadeedou8286]

It would be weird if it didn't scare you

[@Icetea-2000]

Or maybe you’re right in that literally every change would seem dystopian because we’re conditioned to view anything visionary as dystopian.

[@gerardotejada2531]

You dont need too much knowledge to see a failure

[@MultiSciGeek]

I've heard a lot of 'macro' problems with this project, but you brought up a lot of the 'micro' ones that somehow got overlooked - like small roads for cycling, a huge wall blocking wildlife, and COVID in elevators.

[@poopyfartboi]

They’ll just have to evolve without cycling the way we think of it. Also let’s face it if a disease springs up inside there everybody’s done. At the same time it would be a lot easier to contain than on the outside, but as we all know diseases don’t seem to like being contained all that much

[@troygarrison1755]

The grocery thing can easily be solved with delivery systems. So you don't have very into an elevator or go downstairs. Like dumbwaiters are pretty easy and delivery bots are becoming a thing already. The wildlife thing is an easy fix too with gaps in the sections. The cycling thing is also straightforward with bike lanes or sections, like what some college campuses; areas you can ride and areas you have to walk the bike, or traffic lights for pedestrians and cyclist if needed

[@Kater9277]

But at least women won't have to drive anymore in Saudi Arabia...Now they can just take a train without crying about getting equal rights /s

[@lars7747]

First thing I thought in relation to my job: as a paramedic, this is a nightmare. If you get a life threathening injury in here. Youre on your own

[@ریحانارشد]

For wildlife there are plans to assist them. For covid and other viruses , the city will be so advanced that it will be able to disinfect them quickly once detected

[@ambergris5705]

You've hit it on the nail with the last part, so thank you for that. In terms of going deeper in the conversation, to me it also echoes this dilemma of top-down vs bottom-up. Here is clearly a very top-down project, from a top that doesn't really know what it's doing, but that's just basically decided that this is the solution to all problems, so it must be the solution to all problems. So of course the project has the grandeur of a single vision, and is inspiring in its purity of vision (it's a line! And a mirror! You couldn't make it any purer). But on the other hand, it's trying to fit human living in it rather than being built around humans. At first glance, unrestricted human development might look messy, disorganised, but there is a strange richness in organic development: people know what they want, what they like, and what they don't, and they change their environment accordingly. I believe there's more to learn in studying the patterns created by that rather than in trying to fix the issues a simplistic vision creates. But that's something that requires to listen to people, get down in the messiness of everyday life, and work up with complex concepts that require a careful balance in how they interact. And that's something that the Saudi governance is unable and unwilling to do, most definitely.

[@primeholyassasin20]

I agree with this, it looks visually impressive in concept and there are some interesting ideas at play but would it actually work in the practical sense? Maybe the concept should be tried on a smaller scale first, like sone unique boutique hotel, before trying to carry out a whole city?

[@scalylayde8751]

this is so hilarious to me because we already know what cities designed for humans look like... look at any city developed before the industrial revolution. Cities grew organically based on how people were already settling and living before they were redesigned for industry. Not saying that those are necessarily the MOST efficient, but it seems like a more logical starting point than something this artificial. Also... densely packed verticality, no light on the lower levels, hotbed for spreading disease, "free zone" with its own taxes and weird governmental exclusion.... is it just me or are they trying to remake the Walled City of Kowloon??

[@KillahMate]

The principle seems to be: why go with a good existing idea when you can invent a bad new idea? But really, the 'city designed for humans' is obviously marketing waffle - this isn't designed to be environmentally friendly or pleasant to live in, it's designed to satiate Mohammed bin Salman's ego. It's an autocrat's pet project, just like a hundred other Big Expensive Objects all over the world that were designed at tremendous waste in money and lives solely because of some dictator or other's fixation on 'leaving their mark'.

[@nuassul]

Jajajajajajajajaja al menos Kowloon creció de manera orgánica aunque era una mierda.

[@az-fy3mp]

listen to how s2pid you sounded. long before the industrial revolution, people live alongside the river, along the main roads and also by the sea shore. those are all based on the concept of straight lines. so s2pid...

[@primaryesthethicinstincts4832]

But organic cities are not efficient at all because of inadequate planning. Allot of these old cities are bad at maintaining waste and have infrastructure that's falling apart.

[@werewolfcountry]

@@primaryesthethicinstincts4832 lmao and they had the best architectures and urban planners in the world (supposedly) and came up with an even worse solution that they won’t be able to fix once they’re bankrupt.

[@vladsnape6408]

0:23 to travel from one end to the other end in 20 minutes, if there are no intermediate station stops, then the vehicle would have to travel at more than 510 km/hr. If station stops occur at say 500m intervals, and allowing say 2 seconds for people to get on and off per stop, then the vehicle would have to quickly accelerate to around 3000 km/hr in between stops. I think many of the passengers would end up being injured or un-alived by the time they got to the end of the city, due to the g forces involved.

[@florinivan6907]

2 seconds?While I never timed it exactly the average getting on/off time on a subway is closer to 20 seconds. This doesn't include situations of people being slower than average or that you might have a crowd of people getting on. 2 seconds?That's the time needed to have only the first person get on/off. The one right next to the door.

[@nedk09]

The reason that cities end up being roughly circular unless there are no external factors forcing a different shape is to make it so that the important amenities are as close as possible to all residents. By making NEOM a line you create a situation where someone would have to travel 85km to work, another 85km to see their friends afterwards and then 170km to return home. Even if the transit system were to work flawlessly and all power came from renewables this is still a significant ecological cost that could be greatly reduced by having a traditionally structured city which promoted walking and cycling over large roads for cars.

[@Fleato]

exactly, being able to travel in 2 dimensions allows for a lot more than just 4 directions, it's every direction in between as well, as opposed to this where things are only to your left and right.

[@RobertLeeAtYT]

No, you misunderstand: that’s a feature not a bug. You see, the rich obviously deserves the nice, airy Red Sea penthouses. All the imported “guest” laborers get stuffed into the eastern caves. It keeps the undesirables in their places.

[@bwiz6514]

@@RobertLeeAtYT Exactly. "Everyone would be within 5 minutes of everything they need.". Because the classes are divided, professions and status are life long, and everyone is placed where the monarchy wants them.

[@anonymoususer3561]

@@RobertLeeAtYT Nothing wrong with keeping the undesirables out.

[@whitzala]

Also with all that space they made it so freakin narrow

[@aok5298]

My new #1 fave channel, so informative, expertly scripted, narrated, edited - you and your small team can be very proud Dami! On this topic, so many valid points highlighting the insured wealth and misguided ego driven priorities. The potential death toll of migrant workers on The Line will put Qatar stadium builds in the shade. Grotesque. Keep up the great work, you’re a true YT star 😄

[@Tanukieats]

I have a feeling Dami and her "small team" won't be so small anymore :) Next YT star for sure! SUBSCRIBED!

[@astromandomine14]

If the train breaks, you use the Rail Replacement Bus Service!! As the trains break, the other trains run from the ends up to thee point of failure and then back. As the main point of this place is to live 5 minutes walk from work and shops etc there isnt much need to travel all the way along

[@StallionStudios1234]

Yes and she is hot too.

[@in.c-s5917]

To be honest I find this project scary and oppressive. I mean... we're talking of a linear city of 9 millions people... in the middle of basically nowhere. It really makes me think of some kind of spaceship that we see in movies, where you have everything you need but you simply can't get out, and you're stuck in this kind of utopia (even though I guess you can get out, well at least I hope so) like in Wall-E ! Idk, it feels so far away from everything like they're trying to avoid the external issues and again, it's just a way to use and show technologies that are supposed to "save" us from our own mistakes on this very planet, instead of living differently. This project doesn't even use anything from the environment (I mean, big green trees do not grow in the desert, meaning that they have to create artificial conditions in order to allow species as well as people to be able to live in there, that's the opposite of "environment friendly" !) Plus, like you said, It's going to, like every other projects, ruin the environment around it : it looks like a huge wall which separates the land and the sea, and without being a big brain scientist, I think it's the worst idea for species like birds or anything else. Plus, who's going to live in there ? And at what cost ? It just feels so unreal. I mean I would like to see this in a video game, not in the real world 🥲 Ps : if you read until there, first of all, congrats, and second of all, sorry for the mistakes, english is not my native language 😅 so I hope everything is quite understandable even though all of this is clearly a subject to debate

[@omaxshendy5732]

how long do you spend time in your house/office job? visiting same places over and over again for years? oh right.

[@alexeyrodokanakis8827]

It is one of the most conceptually problematic proposals I have ever seen. My design professor completely tore it apart in a lecture last week. Anyone in the construction and architecture industries would know that this is some major pie-in-the-sky stuff right here.

[@marzadky4934]

As a geoscientist am here wondering isn't this literally creating a pathway of weakness for any natural disaster. Let's say a fault occurs, then what, the line is a direct weakness that is structured, it would follow that line directly....can you imagine the damage and the death tolls? It's a nightmare......

[@RapiDEraZeR]

As usual for the Saudis. The only thing they have is money. But they lack anything between brain and taste.

[@peger]

That's the problem. it wasn't designed by a urban planner but by the "prince" or someone from his famili :D

[@primaryesthethicinstincts4832]

@@marzadky4934 I think a the 'line' design was chosen to minimize the energy and other costs associated with maintaining a habitable environment in the desert. I think heat and moisture dissipation are much more manageable with this design. But we need more details to judge it resilience to natural disaster.

[@primaryesthethicinstincts4832]

@@peger Right because the Saudis are too poor to hire real experts

[@wamingo]

Elon Musk would be proud of this idea. It covers all the basic tenets: Unrealistic, impractical, high speed, nation bankrupting, under ground, death trap.

[@mishterkhalid3117]

in what way has musk caused ''nation bankrupting''?

[@wamingo]

@@mishterkhalid3117 His Hyperloop concept would certainly be a step in that direction.

[@mishterkhalid3117]

@@wamingo so he hasn't caused nation bankrupting. you just want him to go down that route. that doesn't mean he has actually caused "nation bankrupting" (whatever the fuck that means)

[@wamingo]

@@mishterkhalid3117 Mate, nowhere did I claim that he did, nor do I hope he does. I implied, and I believe, that The Line looks impossible/impractical. Mega-projects have mega-risks. Dubai's artificial islands haven't been the success they hoped, for example. But if you think The Line is possible and makes sense and will be a great investment for SA, I wish you nothing but the best of luck. If I'm wrong, the jokes on me :) Peace, brother.

[@csehszlovakze]

@@wamingo hyperloop is a scam. he tried to propose it to us in 2016 and he was laughed out of Central Europe.

[@TheTsugnawmi2010]

This project comes off like an arbitrary flight of fancy from the rich, powerful and out of touch. "Daddy, I want a city that's a straight line"

[@NeostormXLMAX]

hey, i want to see a city like my sci fi films, just let them do it

[@astablack8812]

I love it teacher, every video feels like a real lesson in today’s architecture, if you don’t teach anything to do with this subject may I be the first to say that you really should! You make everything look fun and sound interesting as you delve into your topic for said videos!!!

[@yesno1550]

I think the two dimensional design is inherently dystopian. Think of how divided snowpiercer was with more and more luxurious compartments the further you go. Then there's also the fact that light mostly reaches the apartments further up the wall which in turn makes me think of Bladerunner or some parts of Star Wars where the rich live up in high-rises and the poor populate dark,dingy and unsafe spaces at the very bottom

[@AnonymousReader-er4eg]

It's actually a very fitting representation of Saudi Arabia's hierarchy.

[@mosaabelhadi1513]

@@AnonymousReader-er4eg true

[@KuraSourTakanHour]

Absolutely agree. Along with concept of a wall being a symbol for division, turns out the inside is exactly the same...

[@peterbelanger4094]

This design could be scaled up, run line cities in parallel. It would start looking like 'the matrix' at that point. You could install trillions of human batteries on a planet that way.

[@yesno1550]

@@peterbelanger4094 yeah exactly. All good cities are somewhat chaotic because that's how human settlements naturally expand, choosing the best spots and saving the prettiest parts of land for parks and what not etc.Of course there's not much in terms of nature in the desert but the artificial, prefabricated feel is certainly not inviting. I can only imagine how uncanny the city will feel in the begging (or the end) of the line's existence when 3/4ths of the houses are empty and the town is completely desolate