Dan Orlovsky’s Joe Burrow MVP take sparks a HEATED DEBATE 👀🔥 | First Take

[@tigerhoods7927]

lol every week they got a new mvp and we supposed to take these analysts seriously 😂

[@TwoStepCowboys]

Drew Locke is going on a MVP run

[@mattcarberry368]

Stephen A and Shannon Sharpe are literally _NEVER_ meant to be taken seriously

[@kriscash2007]

Everything chnages week to week because the results change week to week, you should understand this by now.

[@Dshipp25]

​@@kriscash2007 if your boss tells you your the best employee at the job then next week tell somebody else the same thing what credibility do you have after that😂

[@marckusduverger9776]

@Dshipp25: Your analogy is not great, because this would be more like winning Employee of the Year & if you have a very competitive group of great coworkers around you. It makes sense that who is in the lead for employee of the year would change week to week. So if I perform the best that week, my boss would be like “so and so is the leading candidate for employee of the year, there’s still time to close the distance though! Keep working hard”. Joe Burrow is having an MVP worthy season & has been for the whole season, so the fact that they may somehow make the playoffs it makes sense for Dan to bring it up now

[@jbjoker18]

if the Bengal's defense wasn't trash and just MID , They would be unstoppable

[@wajahatjafri7246]

No they wouldn’t. This team been the same for 3 years and got nothing to show for it. The defense was pretty good as well. It’s just this year they struggling

[@jbjoker18]

@wajahatjafri7246 we have AFC championship 🏆 and a Super Bowl apperceive and a AFC championship Appearance. And you obviously don't know how much we've lost on defense the last three years. Dj reader and bates being the big two. And we've never had a FULLY healthy yet. Even the superbowl run Joe was not 100 percent.

[@wajahatjafri7246]

@@jbjoker18 those don’t mean anything if you don’t win the big game. No one remembers second place/loser

[@Kelvin-k8n]

@@jbjoker18he did more in three years then Lamar Jackson done especially in the playoffs!

[@jbjoker18]

@@Kelvin-k8n facts

[@Helen_Francis]

The NFL MVP is essentially the "which QB on a #1 seed team has the best stats" award.

[@Messigoat1033]

They need to do drug test and mental illness checkup before they let Dan talk sometimes.

[@SPACEKNOCKERZ76]

He just wants to go viral for 2 days.

[@robertvega8358]

They are talking about a child’s game. Calm down

[@teddywestside6029]

@@robertvega8358 tell ya mother to calm down

[@genghiskhan802]

​@@teddywestside6029I just told her. 🎉❤

[@motherlodebassin5369]

Dan only one that makes sense

[@FullbackRoom]

Naming a team not in the playoffs is crazy.

[@philblack3756]

Not in the playoffs, AND got swept by Lamar. Can’t make it up.

[@johnnydiabetes6563]

@@philblack3756Lamar got lucky in both games

[@jbjoker18]

@@johnnydiabetes6563 FACTS

[@shotokankarate6836]

Lamar was lucky against Bengals, Burrow outperformed Lamar but Ravens have better defense than Bengals. Burrow, Chase and Higgins are very solid, the rest are weak especially Zach Taylor.

[@ThirdThinker]

​@@johnnydiabetes6563 Saying a player got lucky for being his team twice is the definition of cope.

[@mattcarberry368]

NFL MVP is basically just the "which QB on a #1 seed team has the best stats" award

[@GJTrae]

Bills ain’t even the #1 seed that’s the crazy part 😂

[@MrNaturalgamer]

​@GJTrae but he's next up since it can't be mahomes

[@justingabriel1765]

Unfortunately yeah you do need to contribute to winning games, if you don’t win you obviously are very valuable but if that’s the case then the best players on bad teams would always get mvps

[@scruffd0g193]

Buffalo isn’t even gonna get the 1 seed.

[@mattcarberry368]

@@GJTrae sometimes the #2 seed lol you get the point

[@Oceanz08]

This conversation is more of " who can we give MVP who ISNT Lamar"

[@billjohnson3512]

lol right man it crazy

[@aroperdope]

MVP is fine, but if you're trying to win a chip, all I want for Christmas is a defense...

[@laugh_n_share_life]

jared goff is the mvp, not even close

[@Useralex1991]

Lamar is playing for the MVP trophy 🏆

[@bauer_lives5196]

Lamar lost 5 times, lol he ain’t the MVP

[@tyronebrown2246]

The Cincinnati Bengals this year reminds me of the Saints when he kept going 7-9 for like three years straight. top offense in the league, but worst defense.

[@Kodie128]

People are so quick to forget how bad those defenses were Brees legit needed to drop 40 minimum to win most games

[@Dan-jg4fu]

Dan is legit becoming the next Skip

[@aiwash2766]

Nah Dan has this playfully attitude where he and everyone knows he’s doing it to mess with people, Skip just straight up believed his delusions and thought everyone else was crazy for not thinking how he thought

[@Wardell.Koloi10037]

What are you talking about?

[@Bobby-m4h3l]

So Shannon Sharpe can obviously hate on Joe burrow like Skip Bayless did LeBron James and you say Dan is Skip Bayless what!

[@A_r78]

Dan made the football team Skip couldn’t make his jv squad

[@carlosjordanjr5629]

@@Bobby-m4h3lwho hating on burrow?

[@Messigoat1033]

Hey Danny boy. Lamar has beaten both of the guys you are trying to put over him 3 times. He won the shootout vs borrow and the Bills didn’t even have a chance by the 4thQ.

[@mike_datzmag1c21]

That’s what he n bills supporters don’t wanna admit

[@BroncosGuy]

It’s called MVP, not QB beats another QB

[@SPACEKNOCKERZ76]

Hurts beat every top qb the last 2 seasons. Hes not getting awards.

[@Jeremy-ny3wt]

@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76yeah they don’t give hurts credit at all smh all they talk about is lamas Allen and Mahomes

[@jerodmayoINC]

Why do they have 5 losses then?

[@stephano.s]

refreshing not hearing Molly yapping

[@chrisglover9700]

MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM FIRST TAKE

[@LouieR.4682]

Yeah but putting up with Dan O......no!!

[@dreddmann6532]

Yet you're here yapping!

[@AWitlessIdiot]

Just say you hate woman.

[@2KBPoliteDior]

I’m just glad we all agree Dan And SAS are soooo wrong

[@gothard5]

no, actually we all don’t agree with that. I certainly don’t. Dan and Stephen A are 100% correct.

[@JDA89]

There needs to be exact criteria for these awards. The amount of goal post moving EVERY WEEK for MVP in both NFL and NBA is ridiculous. Have set benchmarks everyone must hit like a check off list then vote.

[@mattcarberry368]

it's just turned into a bunch of people picking who their favorite QB is, or in the NBA's case who's turn they think it is or who can or can't win it so many years in a row etc, it's all become a bunch of nonsense mostly

[@marckusduverger9776]

Set bench marks like what? Give firm examples please. Not all MVP seasons are built the same & some years are stronger than others. There will always be a narrative aspect to it because of things that are hard to quantify like, unless you want to get all the way into advanced statistics & give MVPs based off that alone.

[@JDA89]

@@marckusduverger9776 pretty much how the MLB has set ways to know who's getting the cy young based off wins, win shares, era , whip etc. The Cy Young is usually the person leading the most of these categories. MVP etc. Football has to be where the team is seeded, your rating vs others, Tds to int ratio, offensive rank for starters . For Rbs it would be half of those plus your rush stars eetc.You break a record your in the conversation, you hit 2k you're in the discussion Wrs break Moss records etc

[@JDA89]

@@marckusduverger9776 it's not difficult at all for the experts and pundits and committees to develop these things

[@marckusduverger9776]

@JDA89: Alright I can understand that I guess, some people aren’t going to like getting all into advanced statistics but I guess it would provide more consistency. Wouldn’t that kind of undermine having a voting committee though, If that would lead to MVP being more transparent.

[@Cheatingscoobydoo]

If you swapped Mahomes resume for any of the GWHs Herbert, Purdy, Allen, Burrow etc you couldn’t fix your lips on TV to say Mahomes is better than a 3x Champ, 3x MVP, 3x SB MVP. But you know the GWH crowds will do anything they can to make that argument when there’s no merit.

[@Messigoat1033]

So Joe Borrow deserves to win the MVP because he has the best stats even though his team don’t even have winning record and Josh Allen deserve it over Lamar because his team has the best record but ignore Lamar literally has both 😂. He is second or first in most stats category and has better winning record than borrow but Dan don’t want to make a case. Also want to blame the defense for the team record and forget Lamar also had a top 5 worst defense most of the year.

[@pandemicmbm9176]

And LJ is literally top 5 in all categories in passing. Burrow has only more TDs and yards.

[@mrphillips9467]

@@pandemicmbm9176the crazy thing is that Lamar smacked both of these QB😂😂😂😂😂

[@ShinefortheCam]

​@mrphillips9467 lamar had worst stats in both games than burrow

[@ShinefortheCam]

​@mrphillips9467 if burrow got to go against the bengals defense. He would be undefeated too

[@ravensfan4338]

@@ShinefortheCam Joe Burrow threw ONE just ONE more touchdown in each of their meetings what a achievement IMAO HAHAHAHA 👏👏👏👏🤡🤡🤡

[@sebastianmarquez4200]

Jarred Goff is quite literally in the middle of the mvp race.

[@oskarramirez31415]

He won’t finish top 3 in mvp votes

[@sebastianmarquez4200]

@ and that is a problem

[@jbjoker18]

It is weird they dont talk about him AT ALL

[@sebastianmarquez4200]

@@jbjoker18 after the bills game they stopped talking like he’s just out of it which is crazy because he had 493 yards and threw for five touchdowns and no picks. In a loss sure but when Josh Allen went crazy and lost against the bengles the week before all they talked about was how Josh Allen still showed up lmfao

[@MiamiU4]

Right ! It’s like the media wants Lamar to win MVP so bad because they know he won’t get ish else in terms of post season success. And what’s crazier is for the first half of the season there was serious talks of Henry being the MVP front runner. So you have two players, on a 10-5 team, in the MVP race ? There needs to be some level of consistency with the MVP criteria smh. Is it the best player on the best team ? Is it the best QB on the best team ? Is it the QB with the best stats ? Or is it just the media favorite ? Cause Lamar literally checks none of those boxes except maybe “media favorite”

[@johnleach5702]

As a bengals fan, Lamar is having a phenomenal year. I think the MVP is his this year. But Burrow is gonna get some votes and next year will be ours WHO DEY!

[@Oceanz08]

Even tho Lamar best burrow twice 😂

[@ShinefortheCam]

Speak for yourself. I'm a Bengals fan. & burrow is better. He has a way worst team & still ballin

[@FortFinesse007]

@@ShinefortheCamwhile lamar can still run he’ll be always be better during that time period and that guy did speak for himself lmao she said im a bengals fan not im speaking for bengals fans

[@jayman96]

​@@ShinefortheCam Na I'm a Bengals fan and born and raised in Cincinnati. Lamer is just a better player. Lamer doesn't have Chase and Tee Higgins. Let's not overlook our Great Wide receiver core.

[@sgtnighthawk]

@@jayman96yeah, Lamar has an offensive line that can pass protect unlike Burrow and not Zac Taylor as head coach.

[@tigerhoods7927]

But let Chris Canty & Sharpe say this man isn’t top 5 because his defense don’t help him 😂

[@christopherwilliams2351]

Top 5 QB no doubt. But not top 5 in MVP cause he’s been unable to overcome his team’s deficiencies. But in honesty we’re really talking about 1 game (opener against the Patriots) that’s keeping the Bengals on playoffs fringe and Burrow out of mvp discussion

[@francisxm3]

⁠@@christopherwilliams2351WTF is you talking about, ain’t nobody overcoming that atrocious defense. He is doing everything he can

[@kingscotty7897]

@@francisxm3 Mahomes did.

[@ryanjose573]

@@kingscotty7897when

[@metalpharaoh3025]

@@francisxm3Mahomes had a WORSE defense and took his team to ot of the afccg

[@aigbokhaidavid-paul392]

Ain't nothing scary about Cincinnati with that defense. Eagles,chiefs,Bills,Ravens,Detroit and Vikings will absolutely dog walk that Cincinnati defense. Offensively sure, but that defense is absolutely nit scaring anyone😂😂

[@ShawnReed-ny1hd]

My eagles already did😂

[@joshrose2488]

@@ShawnReed-ny1hd that was more so a bengals meltdown. Cinci had no problem moving the ball on the eagles.

[@ChrisBurns24]

If Bengals make the playoffs just wow.

[@shotokankarate6836]

Bengals with Burrow, Chase and Hendrickson is like having Giannis, Wenbayama and Jokic in the same time.

[@2KBPoliteDior]

5:13 WE NEED HER PERMANENTLY ITS A TERRIBLE QUESTION

[@dreddmann6532]

No, Molly is the best!

[@apatterson619]

Can’t spell Orlovsky without ‘L’

[@zeusonolympus123]

or Lamar or Allen but you can Burrow

[@centerfield8924]

So Shannon said on one hand that Burrow is the reason this team isn’t performing this season because of late game turnovers and on the other hand that it take a team to get the playoffs, so which is it. Mahomes, Allen, and Lamar, are fortunate to have a defense that performs consistently, kicker who gets the job done, HOF play caller, and a better organization to make up for where they may fall short. I still believe that Josh should win the MVP because it’s just him in Buffalo but Cincy defense is bad.

[@Ekleaz]

Ravens defense was trash for most of the season

[@tigera6]

But Burrow has the best WR duo in football, you cant have everything in the NFL. Mahomes has a terrible Oline, injured receiver and great defense. Lamar has the best RB in football, a solid defense and average WR, Allen has a good overall team but not excellent in any way. Goff has the best OLine, good WR, but an injured defense. You cant ignore one guy advantage and just point to their disadvantage.

[@mikeoxlong5490]

@@tigera6Dawg there is no way you are gonna sit there and say his o line is terrible. They are top 10. They have a top 10 defense. The bengals o line is ranked like 28th and their defense is ranked like 30th. Tee Higgins was out half the seasons and you’re acting like burrow has it easy? You put any other qb on the bengals and they are 0-15.

[@blick5511]

When Mahomes had a bad defense in 2018, he played better than Burrow and had the 1 seed

[@mrs.lovely8527]

What are you talking about? Lamar had the worst defense until 4 weeks ago. Lamar has one of the worst o-line but the best RB and an inconsistent offense. Mahomes has one of the best o-line and defense. Burrow has the best WR but the worst defense. Allen has a great RB and a good offense and their defense has been better than the Ravens most of the season.

[@btoneymmc]

Lamar Jackson, Joey B and Jared Goff playing the best football in the league period. One of them should win mvp

[@nothingspecial8114]

Idk why ppl act like we don’t know how MVP voting results typically reveal themselves to be. I guarantee whoever wins MVP will blow the doors off the runner up in votes and Joe Burrow prob won’t even get 1 first place vote.

[@sebastianmarquez4200]

Jared Goff has the lions at 13-2 and their entire defense has been in the er alllll year. The lions keep winning and jarred Goff keeps performing and has been doing it the entire season

[@chrisglover9700]

Goff has taken about 5 of those games of statically. The Loins are great and he is great indoors. But not MVP

[@sebastianmarquez4200]

@ threw for 336 and 3 tds with no picks outdoors in the cold yesterday and has won in green bay three straight years lmao people that still try to use that bad weather excuse have literally not been paying attention and only regurgitate what they hear.

[@lukeliston2852]

You can’t be serious saying Goff is more valuable than Lamar, Allen, Burrow or Saquon

[@josepreciado2479]

Geoff is like Purdy he has yhe avengers around him

[@A_r78]

Geoff is an interception merchant

[@noura6943]

If the bengals make the playoffs, 100% give it to him.

[@Jfresh2393]

Facts! They've done nothing but count them out all year!

[@Shiloh_Shepherd]

No

[@freshprinceshaun]

notice how they start off slow every year, i believe they waited to late to turn the tables. Joe wont get it

[@ZayEverGreen]

Hello Kitty squad

[@kevincolderjr5058]

Great job

[@vinnyphilly2495]

At :42 Dan and Shannon both shaking their heads at the same time lol

[@matthewmolina3326]

No(at best) 9-8 QB should ever be in the discussion for MVP. Simple

[@Hunnard]

Even when the QB is leading the NFL in certain metrics? Joe Burrow is quite literally the best quarterback in the league right now.

[@Aneeshtheeaglefan]

@@HunnardLamar is second in passing touchdowns, has over 700 rushing yards, threw 3700 yards, has only 4 interceptions that wasn’t even his fault, and has a 120.6 passer rating which is 3rd best in nfl history.

[@RoyalWuun]

​@@Aneeshtheeaglefan that last INT against the Steelers was the only one this season that didn't touch his receivers hands first. Im sure other QBs have similar situations but passing alone, for him to be that amazing and not even mentioning his running yards and TD's, it blows Burrow out of the water.

[@Aneeshtheeaglefan]

@ the last int happened because Bateman stopped on his route for some reason.

[@kaleb1858]

MVP is the best player not the best team! Quit meat eating! Joe is the mvp this year

[@stephano.s]

thank god no Molly

[@jessejackson5570]

Leading nearly every statistical category and still the highest paid they say...sounds like 2 literal definitions of 'most valuable'

[@andrewfalconer8599]

Shannon and DO going back and forth on social media is classic

[@ScorpioKing81]

In my opinion, the MVP needs to be redefined. Most times, you’re looking @ who’s playing the best on the best team. I rather it go to a player who is putting up great or good numbers, even if their team isn’t the best or among the top, considering a player would have a better chance to have good numbers with a loaded team, or a team that’s playing the best.

[@Meeeeeee805]

One day ESPN and first take is going to realize that Dan O is their BEST NFL analyst.

[@bigzaksnak9998]

I love this lady the most practical of them all. The chiefs. Don’t. Lose. They are by far the scariest

[@HabitualLine-Stepper]

Dave Chappell: "Y'all not heard about the French NFL tight-end Shannoon Sharpay???"

[@dankairgadam8841]

MVPs (Best Quarterbacks) Through Week 15: 1. Lamar Jackson 2. Josh Allen 3. Joe Burrow 4. Jared Goff 5. Sam Darnold 6. Baker Mayfield 7. Jordan Love 8. Patrick Mahomes

[@tdbl2079]

Saying this as a Bengals fan, the slow start and dropping the game against the Patriots is completely inexcusable and will in all likelihood cost them a chance at the playoffs. Another thing they have not beaten anyone with a winning record but have been there in all the games with the exception of the Eagles but for whatever reason squandered each game. That all being said if they somehow make their way into the playoffs on a 5 game win streak with the defense kind of getting it together no one wants to play them. They were a missed field goal and 2 point conversion away from beating the Ravens and a 4th and 16 away from beating the Chiefs. Those are still losses in the record book but I would not want to see them if I’m any team in the playoffs.

[@SPACEKNOCKERZ76]

Hurts took a last place defensive unit to the playoffs last year.

[@bucksfan1945]

As a Chiefs fan Lamar is the MVP he's having a historic season 41 tds 4 ints 4400 yards he's gonna end up 12 and 5 he's beat the most playoff teams I know Josh beat bills and lions but nobody else lamar is mvp and its not even close

[@user-yy9kz2vr3l]

As a Bengals fan, I really hope Tee doesn’t go to Pittsburgh. That would crush my soul.

[@glumniguy6255]

The way Jared Goff is ignored in mvp talk is insane

[@kizz9391]

ESPN loves when these two argue bc the video title is instantly clicked. 😂

[@XxlnightshiftDept]

Shannan talks about burrows mistakes, he’s passing the ball against two high shells and pressured fronts with no running game or defense, every other MVP candidate has a top 10 running game or defense for burrow to be playing like this when teams are game planning to stop him is INSANE❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️

[@omegagamer8589]

I mean borrow did beat mahomes couple years ago in the afc championships and lost to rams in superbowl. The brotha is special!!

[@joshuadejesus3520]

Idk who that lady is but she needs to be on the show more

[@halloweentimemachine]

Lmao gotta give them credit for baiting engagement on this one

[@shuggashane1977]

Shannon's face look like he been betrayed by Stephen A after agreeing with him all the time and now SA basically told him, he is wrong. Shannon is making sure that he agrees with SA just to keep a job.

[@KvngSmoochie_]

Dan is top tier comedy😂😂

[@gregoryholmes329]

How do people not understand that Joe Burrow is literally the MVP this season. He's not going to win it because of the team record, but if they were 10-5 with his numbers right now he'd be unanimous lmao

[@zeusonolympus123]

Jared Goff from the start of the season to this very week has been the MVP. All he did was win as teammates fell on season ending IR every week. No one has led better.

[@robertcoutterbridgesr1746]

Tell'em, Unc!! 💯🙌🏾

[@gothard5]

Agree with Dan. Joe Burrow absolutely should be the MVP.

[@HedgeHogTail_]

The Valuable in MVP has lost all its meaning. Joe Burrow is incredibly valuable to his team, it's not about the seed or just the stats. Where would the Bengals be without Burrow? Probably 3-12, at best. The disrespect and ignorance to some players by the media and fans is outrageous sometimes

[@DZCARDZ]

I think Burrow is MVP but to not have him in the conversation, is ridiculous.

[@UmmItsDavid]

Who is this blondie they put in for Molly? Doesn't say much, just sits there looking pretty. I like her

[@MichaelJohnson-ss7qf]

Cincy is the modern version of the early saints under Sean Payton. Solid offense with a terrible defense

[@JaredHettler]

If you think the MVP is Burrow, youre wrong. If you think the MVP is Goff, then it's also Darnold. The MVP realistically will either be Allen or Lamar, and right now it should be Lamar between those 2. Saquon deserves more consideration though.

[@waillachab284]

Joe burrow?!!! This is a joke or what!! The Bengals are not even in the playoffs 😂😂😂

[@youngxozay]

“It’s for RATINGS” 🤣

[@ShinefortheCam]

So what. Rat birds have a better front office & team! Give burrow lamar team & burrow would be the no. 1 seed right now

[@taymil3144]

They going to rig it for him to get in nfl playoffs no one wanna see Bo Nix or Richardson go against Mahomes or Allen or Jackson 😂 rating if burrow go in

[@marckusduverger9776]

He said “If” they make the playoffs which is a possibility as Denver has to play them next week & then the Chiefs in the week 16. Bengals have to win against Denver & the Steelers (easier said than done)

[@KB-TAYLOR]

Bengals defense can’t stop anybody

[@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973]

Regardless of who wins the MVP award this season, Joe Burrow is the best QB in the NFL. Yes he has elite receivers that make him look even better. Yes his team has failed him this season. He's still the best in the business

[@matthewsdonnelly]

MVP Discussion 1. Josh Allen 95 2. Lamar Jackson 95 3. Joe Burrow 94 4. Jared Goff 93 5. Saquan Barkley 93

[@AliFrankTheTank]

Scariest team ???? They need a miracle to make the offs and play @ Buffalo ..

[@TribeWillis]

How has that gone for Buffalo so far?

[@FortFinesse007]

You really cant beat 40+ td ,sub 5 ints and almost 1000yds rushing (predicting that)

[@chrisglover9700]

If the Bengals get into the playoffs, it won't be BECAUSE of Joe Borrow... It will be BECAUSE the Bengals defense FINALLY steps up

[@johnathonlongtin2275]

Who let a woman talk about football

[@wook1990]

Dan Orlovsky wants to glaze Joe Burrow for MVP when the Bengals are a sub .500 team and on life support for the postseason and constantly makes the argument about the Bengals' defense has let Burrow and the offense down but he scrutinizes Jalen Hurts, who beat Burrow and the Bengals head to head 37-17 earlier this season, because Saquon Barkley is having a historic career year. He needs to be checked for CTE.

[@mjkingstudios]

I don't miss Molly at all 😂😂😂

[@dreddmann6532]

She don't miss you either.

[@mjkingstudios]

@dreddmann6532 Molly, is that you? 😂😂😂

[@curiousityman8327]

I agree about the bengals, but we gotta let them get in the playoffs first. I think they will but they still need a decent amount to happen.

[@nofumbles]

Here we go

[@dougfarrell7355]

While I don't care because my Rams are in the picture, I would say the Chiefs remain the scariest AFC team. The defense is good enough to keep the team in the game, and Mahomes is the X-Factor.

[@appletech9535]

You know what scares me Shannon? The refs collecting a retirement from the chiefs

[@NathanThomas-ic5tq]

Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase.... that's like ice cream and pie

[@Galero15]

This man is ridiculous. Lamar can't get in the MVP race despite leading it for most of the season and having a historically great season, but Burrow can make it a 2 man race by simply getting in the playoff race? Lamar has a passer rating over 120 on the season. Ravens are 0-5 when Lamar has a passer rating below 114. They are 6-3 versus winning teams on one of the toughest schedules in league, with the most penalties and among the worst defences. Allen is on a cupcake schedule, in a weak division, and 3-3 against winning teams. His passer rating is 102 on the season. Bills are 4-2 when he throughs UNDER 102 passer rating. Lamar is clear the MVP

[@marckusduverger9776]

Lamar is in the MVP race right now, what do you mean he can’t get in? Dude is a top 2-3 candidate for MVP & after this weeks performance you could say he’s back in front & most people wouldn’t bat an eye. The losses are what hurt his case but he just keeps on performing, if the Ravens win out & Lamar keeps balling he’s gonna have a great shot at MVP as people will argue for him hard, If Allen loses another game, then Lamar will most certainly will probably lock up his 3rd MVP since it looks like Saquon may not break the record.

[@zeusonolympus123]

Imagine saying Lamar is having a historic season and Burrow is not when Burrow leads the NFL in passing yards, passing TDs, passes completed and 1st downs...

[@jordandaley5238]

If the Bengals miss the offs it will be 3 years since Burrow beat Patty in the offs. There has to be some statute of limitation on us saying “we’ve seen him beat Patty before” like since he beat Patty he lost to Patty in the offs and then may not participate in the playoffs the next 2 years

[@hussainiishaq3370]

Not when you are the only active QB or team to have beaten Mahomes in the playoffs

[@zeusonolympus123]

What you can keep saying is though is Lamar and Allen cant win big games. Because they cant.

[@Khm89787]

Joe Burrow. The guy with the best receiving duo in the league who turns the ball over in crunch time. Who hasn’t won a meaningful game in three years?. Pump the breaks

[@zeusonolympus123]

He won a meaningful game though. Lamar and Allen never did. Never will.

[@mike_datzmag1c21]

It’s crazy Dan can overlook the fact Baltimore beat Cincinnati twice already…Dan just likes hearing somebody back what he said weeks ago….burrow doesn’t have a better chance for MVP than Lamar

[@A_r78]

The Mahomes glazing is crazy work

[@bengalsfandom623]

Ja'Marr made $31M Justin Jefferson made $13M Tee Higgins made $8M In first 4 years ... but you feel sorry for Ja'Marr because he was paid $19M before ever playing in the NFL... so basically Ja'Marr was paid in advance but let's pretend Ja'Marr didn't get $30M out if $31M before this season (which he wanted to get all his money in advance but now he wants to pretend that he wasn't paid in advance) Ja'Marr chose not to accept $35M with $52M immediately fully guaranteed ($30M signing bonus, $22M 5th yr option, in addition to his $31M he already got) and then $60M more guaranteed in 2027 Others that didn't accept or get an extension after their 3rd year, that evidently Stephen A didn't feel sorry for Justin Jefferson (who turned down Vikings offer) Micah Parsons CeeDee Lamb Brandon Aiyuk And many others

[@samcalven12]

Josh Allen record against teams that are currently plus .500+ 3-3. Lamar Jackson record against teams that are currently plus .500+ 6-3 …. if the bengals win out somehow get to 9-8 then Lamar record will get extra 2 wins against plus .500+ teams.

[@mike_datzmag1c21]

5:29 SAS might’ve given life to a new show(Shay and Shae)…even if they don’t have a show, she definitely should replace Molly….Christmas was not having Molly to listen to today as I’m working n listening to the show..the show and topics don’t seem so FORCED the way it does with Molly there.

[@MarvyG23]

MVP for a player who’s not making the playoffs

[@freshprinceshaun]

Hes having a great year, but his team is not which is why he wont win it.

[@RisitasKEKW]

I never thought I’d see the day that Shannon’s football takes have become far worse than Dan Orlovskys 🥹

[@keithkobziewicz1305]

these guys jump ship more than anyone ever.

[@ThatBoyDecent]

How a team can be scary when they not in the playoff picture 🤣

[@isaiahwatkins1502]

they're in the hunt with a very real chance to get in.

[@chrisrenshaw6372]

Clearly, Josh Allen is the MVP. There are no other discussions and nobody is scared of the Bengals or the ravens or the Chiefs.

[@brabea23]

Clearly, Josh Allen just played his way out of an MVP. Sorry wyte boy.

[@chrisrenshaw6372]

@ figures you must be a Lamar fan boy who can’t handle the truth

[@rickyflores3035]

Shannon getting so annoying dude thinks being loud makes him right

[@borbafatt]

If you take Lamar off of the ravens they probably win six or seven games. If you take Joe Burrow off the bengkes, they might realistically be looking at 0-17

[@moses9647]

The Bengals literally went 4-3 last year with an undrafted QB in the first starts of his career

[@SPACEKNOCKERZ76]

@@moses9647lmao got em

[@borbafatt]

@ cool story. The 2023 Cincinnati Bengals are not the 2024 Cincinnati Bengals.

[@borbafatt]

@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76 he didn’t get anything. As I pointed out to your friend, the 2023 bengles are not the same team as the 2024 Bengals. I don’t know if you know this cause it seems like you’re not a very big sports guy but in football, they have these things called drafts and free agency where teams can actually change quite a bit over the course of an off-season.

[@zeusonolympus123]

@@moses9647 I remember the backup QB for the Ravens almost winning a playoff game.......

[@benkrenek]

If the bengals had a better defense burrow would be at LEAST top 2 in mvp. Y’all hating in him cuz their record but burrow putting up generational numbers

[@txmagyar32]

If the Bengals actually make the playoffs, then I don’t know how you don’t give MVP too Burrow. And honestly, it probably should be unanimous if they make the playoffs. And Chase should get the second most votes

[@Ronnie1909]

If you put Joe Burrow on a team like the Chiefs, that team would be undefeated. Burrow is still a top 2 qb in the nfl. His whole career he has played behind one of the worst o-lines in the league. He's had little to almost no run game to rely on. His defense has been historically bad this year. He got drafted to one of the worst organizations in the NFL, all due to Mike Brown being a horrible owner. And who knows where Zac Taylor would be if he never got Burrow. He should have won MVP this year but his defense gave that away. The NFL is the ultimate team sport and guys like Mahomes who have an all-time head coach, all-time TE, a really good o-line, a good run-game to lean on, a defense that's always reliable, and an owner that actually cares about team success will ofc do great things.

[@zeusonolympus123]

If you put Allen, Hurts, Lamar, Goff on the Chiefs they would be undefeated too or one loss....

[@Bama20512]

If the Bengals get in the playoffs they are beating both the Bills and Chiefs UNLESS the chiefs clinch the #1 seed this week and they lose to the Broncos on purpose week 18

[@boloadingtv4907]

very debatable. it’s possible tho.

[@Bama20512]

@@boloadingtv4907it’s doable. Plus I wanna see the battles those games will be

[@chiefsandwarriorslover1543]

If the Bengals make the playoffs and face the Bills in the Wild card. I would root for the Bengals to beat the Bills because Bills fans are the worst in the NFL. The Bengals are a very good team if their defense was good they would be like 12-3.

[@chiefsandwarriorslover1543]

Also even if the Chiefs clinch the #1 seed on Wednesday and rest the starters on Week 18, I'm pretty sure that the Chiefs would not lose on purpose because the Chiefs always have a winning mindset no matter what.

[@schwarzmann1]

Can’t be MVP if your team is relying on another team losing for you to get in the playoffs

[@isaiahwatkins1502]

The goal post continues to move

[@codykirichuk]

Burrow deserves MVP, if we can make the playoffs. He deserves MVP 100% y’all can’t tell me otherwise.

[@millieatr]

Watch out for those VIKINGS ,,,i'm not a Vikings fan but while the media talks about the Chiefs and Bills, and Ravens , and Lions and Steelers and Eagles the Vikings are quietly sitting waiting to kick some azz

[@samsonlite3334]

They have to jump three teams to get in.

[@ericarmstrong8561]

If I'm not mistaken, didn't joe and the Bengals BARELY beat the Cowboys with a back up quarterback? If not for a blunder on a BLOCK PUNT.

[@ferlisEllis]

I’m a tripping or is that an upside down cross next to portray an angel?