Dan Patrick Isn't A Fan Of MLB Teams Using A Starting Reliever In The Postseason | 10/10/24

Dan Patrick recaps yesterday's MLB Playoff action and explains why he has a problem with teams using starting relievers and relying heavily on analytics for postseason games

[@gamers542]

The Dodgers and Tigers have to do the bullpen game because most of their starters are hurt or traded in the case of the Tigers.

[@PHN-2024]

Unfortunately for the DODGERS they Traded for Jack Flaherty from the TIGERS and He was Awful in Game-2 of the NLDS for them.

[@GildedShame]

The Dodgers literally have at least 7 starting pitchers injured. Ohtani, Glasnow, Stone, Ryan, Kershaw, Gonsolin, May, Sheehan.......

[@PHN-2024]

Ohtani, May and Gonsolin are recovering from TJS and were Not expected to Start any Games during the in 2024 MLB Season.

[@cassiolyra8289]

The dodgers have 7 current starters injured. Their 4th starter right now is a rookie with 12 career starts. With the season on the line, should they have started the rookie? I would have the bullpen game planned just like Roberts did, especially with the day off before game 5. It was a no brainer

[@blisshavenfarm1427]

As he sits in his shrine of coffee cups.

[@ashergarber3791]

The Dodgers pitching staff is on the IL, Dan. Come on, man.

[@kraftwerkpropaganda1980]

Greg Maddux is the perfect example of ball placement over velocity.

[@DevinJHiggins]

My thoughts exactly. He never had a 100 mph fastball, but no one in my lifetime was better at the art of pitching than Maddux.

[@20Schmidt]

remember, you must face a minimum of three hitters (exception is end of an inning), so it's not a conversation of "you're throwing 12 pitches this time out". And, at this level (MLB), velocity without movement does not get hitters out, generally ("I would take a guy at 95mph with movement/wide arsenal of pitches, over a 100mph guy with more limited pitch menu"). They are not intimidated by triple digits in mlb. Estevez last nite threw a 98mph, challenge fastball ("see if you can hit it") down middle to Lindor...he deposited it far away. A pro hitter gets much more flustered by offspeed....the new sweeper pitch is really catching on in recent years (a flat slider, basically). Anything that a hitter has to adjust to, downward/upward, side to side, is more effective than just heat.

[@shaindaman13]

Im with DP on this one. I don’t care for the strict adherence to analytics either. It takes away from the magic of baseball.

[@michaelhunt7494]

Tigers have no choice. Skubal is the only surviving starter. 6 pitchers have come up from AAA in 2024 and 5 of them have ERA under 3.00..strategy had worked since mid-august. Its not analytics, its necessity

[@Shlikas]

This is such a stupid take. If the bulk of your starting pitchers are injured, you piece together what you have. Sorry you're not a fan, Dan. We'll tell Glasnow to man up and get out there.

[@HomeAloneGaming1]

Dan is getting old...doing anything less than everything to win in the postseason would be cheating your fans!

[@robertbrown380]

Grandpa Dan planted in his barcalounger, allowing his pupils to speak only when called upon, declaring that the Tigers need to win his way is some serious boomer vibe. And I’m 53 years old.

[@DontHate707]

Bro these guys sound lame, the Dodgers don't have a starting pitcher. How is it required for every pitcher to be on if he uses that many? Lol you're only required to get three people out. And if you mess up it's only for one inning and you get pulled or you get pulled in the middle of the inning. Roberts has gone with his best guys before and it's bit him in the butt. Do we need to bring up how many times Kershaw has melted down in the playoffs.

[@benjamin0089]

is it weird to say Dan does not watch Baseball /mlb that often. Because it's like He miss that almost all the Dodgers SP are all injured/IL before postseason start.

[@sweetrobertos]

As a 50 year Dodger fan, I completely agree. I miss real starting pitching that used to go minimum of 7 innings. I never had to wonder if Tommy John, Don Sutton, Burt Hooton, Charlie Hough, Orel, Fernando, etc...would be able to go 5 innings. Dudes threw complete games and all it took was one shut down starter (Hershiser) to win a World Series. They need to change how they're teaching kids and young men how to pitch. Like Smoltz said, you can't 100% effort on every single pitch.

[@MrBimirud]

Instead of a nostalgia tour, or hating on Dan Patrick, how about some data? Does pitching-by-committee mean more wins, or fewer wins? I’d love to see some analytics on that.

[@robertbrown380]

@@MrBimirud Tigers made it to the playoffs doing it. There’s your data.

[@McMasher]

“I wish we still had starting pitchers” as if Paul skienes wasnt one of the biggest stories in baseball this year

[@Smouse168]

10:12 the postseason hasn’t been about starting pitchers in at least 15 years

[@troylee4196]

Maybe not that far back but it's been a bit forsure

[@eucariotapiabermudez7937]

Dodgers had no choice

[@smokey949]

Are they forgetting that the pitchers now have a pitch clock. These pitchers cant stall for time and loosen up inbetween pitches anymore. Its a go, go, go environment that will eventually catch up to the pitcher into thier later years.

[@cimirie01]

You sound like grandpa yelling at kids to get off their lawn. The postseason USED to be about starting pitching. All due respect to Jeter. Now, it’s just about matchups. Can that be starters? Absolutely. But what it does is even up teams who don’t have dominant starters. If you can give narrow assignments to more pitchers, you have more impact because batters can’t become attuned to your stuff. This is exponentially MORE fun than watching a single pitcher try to go 7 innings and get got starting in innings 4/5.

[@RichardGrijalva]

So, it's better to lose than winning with what you've got and using it in the most effective way possible? Got it Dan. Sure, it may not be pretty or live up to some made up standard, but it's resourceful. And resourcefulness counts for something.

[@securitychiefodo9382]

Boomer take. Olds don’t like change

[@thepracticingguitarist]

That's ok, starting relievers of MLB teams in the postseason aren't fans of Dan Patrick.

[@jordan142142]

Old man yells at clouds

[@nolongerblocked6210]

Incel whines about something he doesn't like

[@PTANV-x2g]

Dan Patrick should stop referring to Dan Patrick in the third person in Dan Patrick’s video titles. Jimmy isn’t watching a Seinfeld episode here.

[@Pazzi-y3k]

Love this Show !

[@russsnyder2026]

Even the starters get pulled after 2 innings. Baseball is terrible now

[@aeae910]

disappointing, dan sounds like someone who has no idea what he is talking about

[@edmolash3401]

Get off my lawn.

[@NinjaSquirrel30]

Dodgers baseball ❕❕ ⚾ 💙💙💙💙💙💙

[@DavidAnthony261]

Baseball should be a best of 7 for every series!!!

[@johnbrowntheprophet]

Yeah, I agree. 👍🏻 Enough with these three- and five-game series. 🤷🏻‍♂️🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

[@rw9191]

💯

[@samuelhilger48]

"beat off on the mets" ?😢... yikes

[@marcoortiz8046]

Old man shouting at clouds.

[@BASS_the_3rd]

Old man complains about the world changing. Move on, nothing to see here. Also, "My Tigers," you're from Ohio, Dan. Don't insult the Tigers fan base by pretending to be one of us. The older he gets the worse this show is.

[@PythonKnight]

Why can't someone from Ohio like the Tigers?

[@ashergarber3791]

@@PythonKnight Bc OP is God's gift to thinking

[@nolongerblocked6210]

"Long time sports analyst makes poignant observation, that goes over the head of dim witted fans"

[@stilljustabill]

I'm from Toledo and have been a Tigers fan since 1971

[@BASS_the_3rd]

@@nolongerblocked6210 butt hurt commenter thinks his analysis is worth a damn.

[@agentallstar7]

All you bums in these comments acting like baseball hasn’t fallen off a cliff in popularity. Sometimes the old man is right when they remember when the sport was great and what made it that way. Modern baseball sucks and most do not care and it’s been this way for a long time now.

[@boxingandbulldogs6341]

Pitch clock and limited throws to the base has made it really fun again. Still wish there was more contact made and that fewer pitchers were used, but nothing beats post-season baseball.

[@peachjwp]

The parade of mediocrities, that the constant rotation of max-effort relievers represents, eliminates the thrill and drama of the great ace hurler, now consigned to a secondary roll. It’s a much degraded form of a formerly great game.

[@cimirie01]

Hard disagree. The constant chess match of managers pitting pitching strength vs batter tendencies is exponentially more fascinating to watch than a single hurler trying to do it all himself. If you have an unstoppable ace (Skubal) that still may be a thing of beauty, but for anything other than a shiny all star, the strategic platoon is WAY more fun, and frankly for a team without studs, far more effective - RESULTING IN BETTER PLAY. It’s not degraded at all. It actually results in a much better product than putting a decent “starter” out there to get worked for 4/5 innings.

[@agentallstar7]

@@cimirie01yea baseball is more popular now than it used to be…sure 😂

[@heavymetalmusichead4969]

Boo-hoo. Don't care, old man. This is baseball. It's brilliant, it's exciting, it's fun. Stop ruining fun, goofball.

[@dr.denggerous8314]

😂Tigers did it first🎉

[@doobielawson702]

Completely agree Dan! Especially the part about having command over velo. Love to listen to Smoltz. He knows a helluva lot about pitching, specifically the sequencing. I find that fascinating.

[@SHUB281]

So much for those 2 1/2 games. Between all these pitcher changes and longer commercial breaks these games are back to the 3 plus hour snooze fest.

[@raiderdave4874]

I agree w ya Dan. The matchups against top pitcher, top opponents hitter, that’s what we want to see.

[@robertbrown380]

@@raiderdave4874 wins are what we want to see

[@mr.marcus2560]

WC should be best of 5 DS, CS and WS should be best of 7

[@Janthdanl]

Old man yells at clouds

[@nolongerblocked6210]

"Sports analyst makes great observation, that goes over the head of some fans"

[@italoaguirre3867]

​@@nolongerblocked6210 "Great observation" 😂😂😂

[@Janthdanl]

@@nolongerblocked6210 “great observation” he’s complaining that managers aren’t putting their starters out to throw 90 pitches anymore. Who fuckin cares?

[@nolongerblocked6210]

@@Janthdanl and you're complaining about his complaining, how original

[@Janthdanl]

@@nolongerblocked6210 how am I complaining? I just called him an old man yelling at clouds. Zip up his pants when you’re done bruh