Danacable Lazuli Poème Headphone Cable Review - Yes, It Makes A Difference - A BIG Difference

[@wavetheorysound]

Vinh Vu of Gingko Audio was given early access to this video. He added some info I think you should know. I'll pin this comment for all to see: 1) Gingko Audio is the worldwide marketer of Danacable, not the parent company. 2) During the introductory pricing period Gingko will be offering free shipping worldwide. Customers also have a 30-day return window for which the customer only pays bank/PayPal fees and return shipping, but otherwise receives a full refund. 3) Vu recommends a headband pad to alleviate the top-of-head hotspot I spoke of in the review. I linked to his recommended model in the description. 4) Lazuli Vocalise for the Abyss 1266 is pronounced ([ voh-kuh-leez ], not [ voh-kuh-lahyz ]. Vocalise is a musical term for “song without words”, like Rachmaninoff’s “Vocalise”

[@rustygates3367]

I paid 5000 AUD for the Utopia 2022. This cable is 6650 AUD (the current "on sale" price as well). Wtf. Literally could just buy another headphone if I wanted to 'fix' it, which it doesn't need.

[@simonzinc-trumpetharris852]

They saw you coming!

[@jameskegen6812]

Or just eq it.

[@TheVeganVicar]

Or better yet, a discounted Susvara. 🎧

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

The only thing it can possibly do is change the FR or volume if its impedance is higher than the headphones resistance and only in very specific circumstances where the headphone has a nonlinear impedance AND has a very low impedance. You are paying $5000+ for conditional, uncontrollable EQ. Lmao indeed.

[@Jingyih]

Besides that, you are also paying for the weight for a nice neck workout.

[@michaellichnovsky8397]

Ignorance is always confident. Always.

[@WoodstockG54]

It’s not April, is it?

[@solidkeys]

When i am in a non-difference in audio quality competition and my enemy is a 4500$ Boat rope headphone cable:

[@carloslong839]

WOW! The list price of my entire system is $4000. With that I have a Rel 10 in and SVS 12 in subwoofers, Triangle Bro 3 speakers, Iota VX integrated amp, Geshelli V2 socketed DAC, Wiim Ultra streamer, Monolith power conditioner and Focal Elegia closed back headphones. Of course, I didn't pay $4000 for all that gear. I guarantee that I can hear the difference between my expenditure and having no system whatsoever.

[@greenparkokada]

It looks like you're wearing a snake around your neck.

[@BillNepill]

It's fitting since this video wears a heavy dose of snake oil

[@wavetheorysound]

They've moved away from just the oil and are now using the whole snake 😝🤣 Gingko argues that it has to be that thick and heavy because that's the diameter that was a natural consequence of using the combinations of copper and silver strand bundles that got the sound they were looking for.

[@Hichamvanborm]

Excited about the Holo Audio stuff!

[@naren.freak1c]

Is that a rope for towing cars or for mountain climbing?

[@bongofury3176]

cables certainly can sound different to each other but none of the tiny changes are ever worth $4k. buy a better amp or headphone instead...

[@jirihorsky9600]

I think it really is aimed at people who have their forever headphone and REALLY want to extract all of it, disregarding any sensible monetary value.

[@williamsteven5613]

​@@jirihorsky9600 exept it will do absolutely nothing 99% of the time.

[@SireEvalish]

This is why people make fun of audiophiles.

[@corrrect]

I am going to make a purchase as soon as my private jet lands.

[@jbecks35]

Need to get out of a rough marriage? Show her this video.

[@LSDScreen]

Very excited for your May and Bliss reviews!

[@ZandoNoid]

Even if it does make a difference, is there any reason you should get a cable that's worth a full endgame amp+dac+headphone system? Shouldn't you just resort to eq at that point? Genuine question.

[@wavetheorysound]

It's very much a misnomer that cables only effect tone. To the extent they do effect tone, the reason is not attenuative in nature as many cable skeptics expect it to be. It's because of frequency dependent time-domain behaviors delaying different frequencies by different amounts thus changing the shape of the waveform that comes out of the wire from what went in. These delays have a bigger impact on the shape of transients, which are essential in our ability to distinguish different timbres, than on steady state tones. Different conductive materials (eg copper vs silver) and different weaves (Litz, etc), have different impacts on these time domain behaviors. FR sweep tests will not catch the results of these time domain behaviors because 1) these time domain behaviors are only noticeable when multiple frequencies are present simultaneously and FR tests only play 1 frequency at a time and 2) FR sweep tests only check steady state behavior and ignore transients completely. Beyond tone, these subtle time delays also can reduce clarity, smear the accuracy of the spatial presentation, muddy attack and decay timings, and blunt dynamics. EQ can partially recover the tonal aspects of timbre, but the lost integrity of spatial effects, dynamics, attack and decay timing, and clarity are gone forever. No EQ is bringing those back. I hope this helps.

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

@wavetheorysound there is no "time domain" with headphones. Headphones are inherently a minimum phase system. All transitory effects are a part of the headphones FR and FR only. This isn't true for speakers and iems that have phase cancellations from using multiple drivers (which is bad).

[@wavetheorysound]

@@enjoshi-godrez8775 You appear to have confused the mechanical waves created by speaker/headphone drivers and the electromagnetic waves that tell those drivers how to move. The mechanical waves (sound waves) that emanate from a headphone driver (or full range speaker driver) are minimum phase because of the singular source of sound. Multiple driver arrays introduce wave interference because of the different distances between the drivers and the listeners' ears. But, speaker and headphone drivers alike move in response to an electromagnetic waveform that is the summation of often dozens-to-hundreds of individual tones superimposed on each other. The individual tones of these superimposed electromagnetic waves are ALWAYS time smeared relative to each other to some extent as the result of having traveled along a physical conductor. Material science has provided evidence that different materials and different strand weaves do this time smearing by amounts that vary with AC frequency AND vary with material and weave type. This phenomena has been well established for over a century. It's not a question of IF this varying time-domain behavior happens, it's a question of whether or not we can hear it. There is actually very little published literature on this audibility question in cables. I encourage you to go to scholar.google[dot]com and search "audio cables blind test" to get an idea of how truly little there is in the peer-reviewed literature specifically about cables.

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

@wavetheorysound no, you are very confused. There are two things that affect a headphones' response at the eardrum. It's acoustic impedance or HPTF and its FR. That's it. You can not have time alignment in a minimum phase device like headphones. Time alignment is a term exclusively used for speakers regarding the use of multiple drivers and using delaying the sound emanating from one or more drivers to correct the transient response.

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

@@wavetheorysound I encourage you to read the Wikipedia or indeed any other article on time domain effects as it only pertains to speakers.

[@BrianHall-Oklahoma]

This is stupid.

[@wadez1000]

Why not just EQ the fix instead of spending 6000 dollars?

[@marcustomlinson3582]

So this smooths out the sound of the Nutopia, which is already warmer/smoother than the OG Utopia, but it pairs less well with the OG Utopia somehow? Seems odd

[@wavetheorysound]

Why would headphones that have different sounds be expected to behave exactly the same way on a component specifically designed for only one of them?

[@BloOdYJo17]

omg what is this ? what load is suported by this rope ?

[@roa5359]

There are gullible folks everywhere 😂

[@simonzinc-trumpetharris852]

For 4K it better make a BIG difference!

[@timpecker2527]

It doesn't.

[@danielsamson9505]

👌👍 Merci pour cette nouvelle vidéo .

[@dragosthule]

When you want to work out and listen to music at the same time, look no further then the weighted Danacable!

[@JMAudioEditions]

wow on sale for $4.5K- cable looks impressive but I can do so much with $4.5K - I may look into making a similar thickness and copper cable myself for my store

[@Vamon_Kinctuarinwhe]

Insanity

[@TheColorization]

Great review as always wavetheory. When are you planning to review the Holo Bliss? Thank you

[@TonkyTronicus]

Canjam needs to have a seminar one year where they gather all the "cables DO make a difference" reviewers and all the "cables are snake oil" reviewers in one room and have them hash it out. It will be the most popular seminar in audio convention history 😅

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

What will be hilarious is them realising the only type of cable that will ever make a difference is the onewith the greatest impedance, which improves as the cable gauge increases, aka, the thinnest cables have the gteatest chance of inciting a change in respons. Most audiophile cables go in the opposite direction and are antithetical to their marketing for that reason. One strand OCC is the new meta.

[@kajetan9550]

Ehh i was going to buy a superconductor used for

[@ta114]

i knew i chose the wrong career...

[@TheVeganVicar]

This, or better yet, a discounted Susvara. 🎧

[@euphoreonz]

good lord, even if it's 2% better it looks ridiculous and adds insane weight. WHY.

[@Michael_mki233]

If I hadn't just had to buy a new streamer because my UltraRendu bit the dust. 😭

[@one-rv2bx]

Needs more copper

[@takeseven-]

Interesting... Guess we need a well conducted blindtest but probably won't happen.

[@TimpTim]

😲😉

[@BillNepill]

Spoiler: cables make no difference

[@Leon-lg7zm]

Said by someone who has never used custom cables before.

[@hiraksarma3068]

They do a little bit but I'll not go crazy on it, other gears in the chain make a bigger difference, though I haven't heard cable > $100, this is just my personal opinion.

[@Leon-lg7zm]

@hiraksarma3068 interconnect XLR cables made a huge difference, especially with the Stax 009 & 009S

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

@Leon-lg7zm It is fundamentally impossible for a cable to make a difference with an e-stat because the cable must be higher impedance than the resistive load of the headphone to induce a voltage change relative to its frequency. E-stats have impedance in the 100000s of ohms.

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

@@Leon-lg7zm The harmen research was extremely conclusive in demonstrating how influential sighted response is to perceived audio quality. Once blindfolded, participants showed no correlation in signitures or price points established when being able to see what they were wearing. It's important to understand that our personal perspective is not always condusive of reality.

[@michaellichnovsky8397]

People complaining about the price are just silly. Do you hit up car reviews and complain about the price of a Ferrari? Ridiculous. People like tweaking. People will tweak anything. Let them have a bit of fun for goodness sake.

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

You are an addict

[@enjoshi-godrez8775]

Purchase validation addiction

[@carloslong839]

Okay... You're right. I have a purchase order for you with a $5,100 bill after shipping and tax for a headphone cable as costly as those Susvara cans. Now you get to figure out whether it sounds better than my $90 Hart cables.

[@michaellichnovsky8397]

@@enjoshi-godrez8775you make gross assumptions about people, their intelligence and motives. It’s mean-spirited and arrogant.

[@timkelmer1268]

So, we are not allowed to criticise anything because it could hurt your feelings? LMAO