Would you double your FPS for $200? Triple for $300? GTX 1060 in 2023, upgrade paths

[@danielowentech]

Sell your GPU on Jawa to fund your upgrade! bit.ly/JawaOwensGPUJuly23

[@HanSolo__]

Daniel. Please make a comparison of RT performance and/or RT/dollar. Intel A750, A770 and RX 7900 XT/XTX seem to be much more competitive in this area. This would be very interesting. Keep up the good work! Ps. I don't have to be interested in the topic you pick in the video but I watch it regardless. Did you know Ryzen 5 7600X just got cheaper than the Ryzen 5 7600?

[@ManuSaraswat]

I'd like to see a similar video with 1070 as baseline

[@cpt.tombstone]

What do I upgrade to from a 4090?

[@misanthropicsophist]

i am waiting for the 6700xt to hit 300€ with a satrfield bundle that would come down to 240 if i can get 40 € for my gtx 1060 that would make it a 200€ card, i hope the prices keep dropping.

[@Nobe_Oddy]

MOST of the 'people' on the Steam hardware survey that are using the 1060 or 1660 or just low end card are NOT PEOPLE AT ALL - THEY ARE COMPUTERS AT INTERNET CAFE'S in countries where owning your own computer is just NOT ECONOMICAL and it's MUCH EASIER to play your game in the cafe down the street for a few dollars - ESPECIALLY when the games you play don't require high end (or even mid range) cards ... because they are RPG that are a few years old and NOT 'TRIPLE-A' Games ...... and EVERY PERSON that has their own Steam account that uses that computer COUNTS AS A COMPUTER WITH THAT CARD ... - - .... in other words that one machine with the 1060 has maybe 200 separate users individuals use it in a month (just for an example) so that shows up in the survey as 200 1060's ... BUT those cafe's also have HIGHER-END machines, with a 2060 or 2070, that you PAY MORE to use.. and those same 200 people will pay extra to play their 'Triple-A' game once in a while.... So then steam see's those accounts that were just using 1060's on another machine with the 2060 and then counts those 200 steam users as having upgraded their machines so they count TWO-HUNDRED 2060's into the survey..... - - PLUS those 200 users don't ALWAYS go to the SAME INTERNET CAFE ALL THE TIME.... maybe there is another i-Cafe that does a sale once a month or something that the 200 users go there for one weekend a month, and those computers have 1660's in them..... so steam then counts another TWO-HUNDRED 1660's into the survey...... - - ALSO if the cafe upgrades their 25 machines from having 1660's to 1060's then those 200 users cause another TWO-HUNDRED 1060's to get added to the survey - Oh and you can't forget all the people that create new accounts for a special sale that Steam has for new users... they all get 'double' or 'triple-counted' into the survey... - - So this Hardware survey is B.S. if you ask me... there are just WAY TOO MANY WAYS that cause the REAL NUMBERS TO BECOME SKEWED... it's NOT A REAL SURVEY! - Also, I don't even know if the survey is automatically run on everyone that logs into steam, and it just grabs a quick hardware info from the machine, OR if the Steam user has to actually RUN THE SURVEY MANUALLY ... (which is a TERRIBLE way to run this survey - it should be AUTOMATIC RUN if steam see that it's never been run, or if there has been a change in the hardware since the last time the users logged in - if it's manually run then NVIDIA could pay places like internet cafe's to ONLY RUN THE SURVEY if they have NVIDIA GPU's in the machine.. and WE ALL KNOW NVIDIA IS MORE THAN WILLING TO DO SOME SHADY STUFF LIKE THAT)

[@ckg-CaribbeanKnight]

The 6700 XT for $300 and Starfield Premium Edition was an excellent deal on Prime Day 2023. Monster upgrade for 1080p gaming.

[@riichobamin7612]

I would say "stellar upgrade" my bro 🍻

[@ElevenAce]

Dam..... Sounds like a great deal

[@ckg-CaribbeanKnight]

@@riichobamin7612 I bought a 6800 XT for $500 new on Amazon with 2 free games last year and we got this 6700 XT for my cousin to replace his RX 480 8GB. He loves it.

[@AmigaWolf]

Yes, i bought the Powercolor Radeon RX 6700 XT Fighter for €340, and got the game Starfield Premium Edition with it, so yeah is a great deal, bought it for my Mini Media/Console-PC.

[@ckg-CaribbeanKnight]

@@AmigaWolf Nice!

[@Dan-go8iz]

I think the problem with inflation calculators is that inflation is not the same as wage growth. In most countries, wages have grown a lot slower than inflation. This means that GPUs actually feel a lot more expensive than inflation would suggest because it literally takes a lot longer to earn the equivalent amount of money. This is still a great video though.

[@MrKillswitch88]

Most jobs in the US haven't improved in decades with wages being what they were far back as the 1970s in the worst cases while most employers only offering the same or just slightly less than what they were back in the 2000s aside from retail. Pretty crappy world we all got to be honest, compare the US to Europe and it becomes very clear just how backward the US truly is.

[@JanM2]

​@@MrKillswitch88what jobs are you talking about when saying their wages haven't improved in the US since the 1970s?

[@drumyogi9281]

@@JanM2He doesn’t know because it’s not true. The average income in the USA has gone way up since the 1970’s lol

[@jmhgaming7155]

@@drumyogi9281 Our paychecks are bigger, but our purchasing power has barely moved. Get that boot off your neck and do a little more research.

[@yeezystreetteam]

Agreed

[@JohnThunder]

Can't blame people for not upgrading their GPUs. What I learned from Hardware's Unboxed review of the RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB vs RTX 4060 Ti 8GB is that the same spec GPU with higher amount of VRAM will make a difference in future games, especially the Unreal Engine 5 ones. But at a $500 price and that small 128 bit bus width it's really not worth it.

[@fabrb26]

From 8Gb GDDR6X 3060ti to 16Gb GDDR6 4060ti it's a 608 to 288Gb/s in raw bandwidth, sure it sucks. But that may still be better to play games maxed out settings @ 90fps than 120fps with big stutters or even worst, the need to crank the setting down on your powerful 3060 because of the ram capacity issue. The difference in price is awful, yes, but that's only temporary. Your 8Gb would still be an issue in the years to come in that exemple.

[@vinylSummer]

​@@fabrb26great thing is that 6800xt offers significantly more performance, has 16gb of VRAM, great bandwidth and costs right around $500

[@stangamer1151]

4060 Ti won't be able to properly utilize these additional 8GB of VRAM. Neither it has enough memory bandwidth and ROPs to render games at higher resolutions without significant performance loss, nor it has enough raw compute power (shaders) to be future proof for those who want to max out games at 1080p. Future UE5 games will be very demanding, more so than Cyberpunk 2077. And 4060 Ti will be able to run them at 1080p/Medium preset, at best. I mean, in some rare cases, when 8GB create artificial bottleneck, 16GB version will be faster, but at some point both of the versions will become obsolete and 16GB won't help this GPU much.

[@MrKillswitch88]

I honestly see the 4060 as being nothing more than a mid spec laptop gpu and just not worth buying at all. Will be an interesting collectable a decade or two from now as a foot note much like the FX 5800 (the dust buster gpu).

[@GewelReal]

People talking about bus width have no idea what they are talking about. 4060Ti is more than capable adressing all 16GB. And honestly it's a very good GPU. But it should cost 349$ at most

[@deadlistt]

I think the reason why everyone refuses to upgrade at low end is low VRAM. People bought 6GB VRAM In 2016, so they kinda expect something like 10 or 12GB in 2023 at same tier, but nope instead they get 8GB that's barely holding it together. Currently only viable upgrade path is either 6700 XT at low end or sprinkle extra cash and get 4070 which is great all around.

[@KarolusTemplareV]

For the price the RX 6600 is fine for 1080p. The thing is there is plenty of people bewitched with this or that nvidia specific thing... or simple brand loyalism even if it isnt deserved. Things like you have a G-sync monitor with the chip? Nvidia has to be. For example.

[@chrissoclone]

I wouldn't call the 6700XT "low end", it's a very capable GPU even for WQHD and all around best bang for buck at this time. Low End would be a 6600, which isn't super fast but also not totally crippled, and the 6700XT almost doubles it's performance.

[@SergiOrtiz]

I ended up getting 6650 XT for 'Cheap' I'm planning to upgrade it in 2-3 years instead of 5 this time.

[@dontoll3655]

Disagree the problem seems to me is that no one wants to switch over to AMD.People act like Nvidia is the only graphics card company that exist.There are multiple good bang for buck options out there from AMD right now.And a 6700xt is not low end...

[@JimmyChino55]

A 4070 is only 38% faster than a 6700XT for nearly 100% more money though.

[@hannesnell]

Really liked the video , but the only issue with it is that people still holding on to the 1060 might still also be running the same pc they had 8 years ago , and the performance improvements will not be as big when paired with a CPU that is equally old .

[@jforce321]

Yeah in 2016 we were still on 4/4 or 4/8 Intel processors as a max In terms of consumer gaming performance.

[@MatthewKiehl]

+ pcie 2.0 and 3.0 systems that will also bottleneck the 6600 and the 4060 (these cards have only have a x8 not x16 as on the 6700 xt). I think the 3060 and the 6700 non xt might make more sense.

[@MatthewKiehl]

+ pcie 2.0 and 3.0 systems that will also bottleneck the 6600 and the 4060 (these cards have only have a x8 not x16 as on the 6700 xt). I think the 3060 and the 6700 non xt might make more sense.

[@KenTWOu]

@@MatthewKiehl I have RX6600 paired with Ryzen 3600 (PCIE 3.0), I didn't notice any performance issues even on 4 cores i5-3570K I had before that. And it's a relatively cheap 8GB 1080p card, so it doesn't require X16 IMHO, but I can't say the same about more expensive 4060ti, it must be a 1440p X16 card for that price.

[@MatthewKiehl]

@@KenTWOu I'm glad the 6600 is working for you. What did you upgrade from? I'm running a GTX 1060 6gb in one machine and a RX 570 in another.

[@gamingoptimized]

I have a GTX 1060 3GB, tweaking game settings is allowing me to make most games playable even these days. I don't know how long this would be the case though...

[@TheVanillatech]

The term "playable" is heavily subjective. The 3GB 1060 couldn't do modern games back on release in 1080p max settings and stay north of 60fps. That was years ago! XD Grab a 6650XT. Or even a used 5600XT for like $100 will double your framerate.

[@dianaalyssa8726]

Probably still fine for 1080P game selection will impact how long it should last. Mine doesn't 1440P that well but it can technically. It's in a media rig now.

[@gamingoptimized]

@@TheVanillatech I finished The Last of Us Part 1 on this GPU. 30-50 FPS with Medium-High Settings. It wasn't perfect, but it was playable for me. Of course a Rx 6600 is a good and cheap upgrade!

[@TheVanillatech]

@@gamingoptimized To be honest, I think it's okay. The 6650XT is better choice. Or a used 5600 / 5700.

[@jesusbarrera6916]

get a used 5700 or 6600

[@foxtrotunit1269]

I think know why people hesitate to upgrade: You spend 200-300$ on GPU - but most likely a new mother board (due to compatibility issues/bottlenecking performance) That means new RAM too, old one (DDR2?) won't fit the new M.B. Don't even get me started on CPU... Sum total is basically a whole new PC. But do it - it's worth it. Going from medium detail, 45FPS to *High detail, 60FPS is incredible :)*

[@drago939393]

You should include the 5700 XT, 3060, 3060 TI, 7600 XT and Arc 750 here as well.

[@inqizzo]

I dont think he has enough money for all of that (but the 3060ti is a fair point as it was the direct competitor of the 6700xt a while ago)

[@chineolee]

If you're really strapped then it's probably best to focus on that problem first.

[@SirBlicks]

Seriously, In 7 years I find it hard to believe they didn’t do something significant enough in their lives to grow their wages, I know people are in unfortunate situations but ultimately its up to the individual to do as much as they can to not be in such a difficult position. Seven years isn’t nothing.

[@tk72231968]

I still have my 1080ti(11gb VRAM) in an old i7-8700K pc that I use for 1080p older games...sort of a backup gaming rig should something happen to my main system. It can still play many current AAA games at 1080p...and if I hadn't splurged at my retirement for an expensive upgrade..I would still be using it.

[@hzwinip]

Felt...I have my old strix 1080ti running on a 9600k. It is such a great gpu I couldn't get myself to sell it after upgrading. I've had a lot of gpus but the 1080ti still remains my favorite.

[@drago939393]

Well you're underselling it a bit. I have a 1060 6GB paired with an i5-7600K, it can play newer stuff at modest settings - both your parts are better by a fair margin. In fact the 1080 TI is comparable to the new GPUs in this video lol.

[@derfahnder88]

I really don't get why we should celebrate 2x or 3x the performance of a 7 year old card for the same price.

[@KarolusTemplareV]

You can play something like Cyberpunk 2077 with good graphics in a 1060 6gb. When I say good graphics I mean it looks good and it runs fine, not crank up everything(crank up only the things you feel are the most important for you). People seem so averse to touch settings or feel disapointed if they cant go ALL ULTRAAAAA UHHH. That's a trap you enter at your own risk. Buy a decent card that lets you play at your resolution in high or better, squeeze it for years just taking this and that a notch down as games became more demanding(not better, just more demanding sometimes), and when you have to change is when medium starts to fall off playable fps. Note about playable fps: depending on genre above 30 is enough.

[@inthedarkwoods2022]

I just built my new computer. My old computer (2017 build) had a 1060 6 GB. I moved up to the 6950XT 16GB. I am happy. The 1060 was an amazing card!

[@Nerex7]

I'm on a 3070 but if my card failed or if anyone needed a budget solution I'd 100% bet on the 6700 XT. It's the best value card right now.

[@Hughesburner]

Long time Nvidia fan...like from 2004 on and I am leaning towards an Rx card next. I am waiting to see how my GTX1080 handles Starfield first.

[@inqizzo]

You would like to downgrade? It would be probably better to save up more for a 6800, as going into a worse gpu is not a pleasant feeling

[@inqizzo]

@@Hughesburner its probably going to handle medium setting no problem

[@Nerex7]

I said in case it fails, it would be my budget solution. If I really needed a quick solution that still handles it while saving up for a better card or waiting for a better next-gen card. 6700 XT handles everything currently. And it's always an upgrade from a broken card lol. @@inqizzo

[@Mercstar]

People out here struggling to pay for groceries, gas, and electricity, ain't nobody got time for new gpu's.

[@nbh1111]

I just retired my EVGA 1060 SC 6gb and replaced it with a 6700XT. £335 with delivery including premium Starfield worth £85 so the GPU only really cost £250. That seemed like a good deal to me.

[@nickochioneantony9288]

That's actually quite a deal! especially if you play at 1080p, the card will serve you well in the next 4 years... I think the peak of competition from nvidia, amd, and intel is happening in the next 2 generation of gpu (around the time of nvidia 60 series), that is when the next-gen console announced/released. I guess it's safe to say you got yourself covered for this generation of gaming, UE5 era that is...

[@thelittleHolyrockboy]

I would like if you could include powerdraw in your overlay for your test, since imo it can be an important factor for some.

[@Antody]

Thanks Daniel, great timing on the video! I have 1650 Super at the moment, and I'm mostly satisfied with it, but it would just be nice to get a CPU+GPU upgrade on AM4 platform, so it's better to do it by the end of the year or so, while it's still in stock. So the best option for me so far is 4060 as it fits perfectly within my limited 450W PSU, as it's not power hungry unlike something like 6700 XT. I wanted to try team Red, but it's either potentially upgrading more parts: PSU, Case due to the size and power requirements of AMD cards, or I'll wait for the 7700 series that's supposed to come out in September. Having said that, I don't have much faith in a current GPU market as I think we'll see a big leap in performance only after Sony and Microsoft refresh their console lineup to this gen's "Pro" version and that's where we probably start seeing better value GPU's overall. But yes, if there's a need to boost the FPS 2-3 times now coming from an older card, then 4060, 7600, 6700XT or even waiting a bit could be a very nice option.

[@UncannySense]

a 4060 costs almost double a 6600 (in Australia anyway) and only offers a %15 improvement in raw performance...power use is not much different.

[@yellowflash511]

6700xt should work on a 450w PSU. I have friends running it on 500w power supplies.

[@Loppy2u]

@@yellowflash511 Must have a CPU65w or undervolting

[@Antody]

@@yellowflash511 That's great to hear! I was considering undervolting and pairing it with a 5600 or 5700x CPU so I might actually get away with using current PSU, now the only thing to figure out it the new monster 3 slot GPU will fit into case - I took all the measurements, but you never know how it's gonna work in real life.

[@vinylSummer]

​​​​@@Antodyave never seen my 6700xt at stock draw more than 200w under any circumstances (I have a 750w PSU and 12600k). After a modest undervolt (1200mv -> 1125mv) I didn't lose almost any performance and the card draws like 160w max. Easily fits into your power budget!

[@TahaJelani]

1060 user here, love your vids been watching you since you were ~1k subs.

[@TheSnowwraith]

Adding my 2 cents to this. Your testing methodology is possibly flawed. I would hazard a guess that your test rig is a modern motherboard, with PCI-E gen 4. The target audience for this video - assumed to be using a 1060 - is probably also on an older motherboard as well, probably PCI-E gen 2. The bus width on the older architecture is going to limit the maximum capability of the newer GPU's. So the actual performance gains would probably not be as high as those you are demonstrating. For the record I'm still using a 1080 with an X79 motherboard (PCI-E gen 2).

[@gamegenieny581]

Having the average frame rate next to the percentages in the performance box helps alot. Thanks for that !

[@emeritusiv1366]

I mostly played esports titles game, so I don’t really need the fancy features of a gpu as I’d turn down the settings to low anyway. I upgraded my 1060 to 6700xt earlier this year and the difference is night and day. I agree with your point, the 1060 users will have a decent performance uplift even with the 6600. Especially if you’re an esports titles gamer. Cheers 🍻

[@16xthedetail76]

Really no point in doing that unless you uncap your frames and even then it doesn't really matter unless your monitor can match those frames. So unless you're at 360hz its pointless. Yes you CAN get slightly better input but its nothing if your monitor cant match it.

[@vinylSummer]

@@16xthedetail76 watch the LTT video about this topic, I think it's called "does more fps make you a better gamer?". Long story short, more FPS is still better, even if your panel can't refresh fast enough

[@davidhwang8065]

esport titles are cpu dependent. stop misinforming

[@vinylSummer]

@@davidhwang8065 now stop and think for a second. Even if eSports titles are mostly CPU bound, can they still be GPU bound in some scenarios? Or is every single eSports title CPU bound for every imaginable configuration (7800x3d and GTX 1030 is one that comes to my mind)?

[@sandau44]

I periodically check if it's time to replace my 1080TI but I just can't seem to let it go.

[@posmoo9790]

we've had closer to 45% inflation since 2016. which is why it feels like an entire different era instead of in the same decade as us.

[@beri4138]

World is going to shit. Communist revolution soon.

[@vvhitevvizard_]

2023 upgrade for GTX 1060 6GB would sound like something having 12-16GB with 192+bit bus at least...

[@AntonioLexanTeh]

What cpu was used?

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

I bought a new gtx 1060 6gb in 2016 when I played games at 1080p. It served me well for years. (I still have it installed in an old Dell with a 4790 that I use as a back up pc.)

[@rnldrc]

I have an old 1080 ti which carried me a long way but the power draw is so high and it has been suffering from stutters for a long while now. Decided to make the jump to 4070 mainly because of the performance relative to power draw. The power required to run the latest cards is insane. (in addition to the cost).

[@hzwinip]

What games was it stuttering in. Haven't fired up my 1080ti in a while, but I felt it was still a very strong gpu. Even compared to the 60 class today.

[@rnldrc]

@@hzwinip the most recent game I been playing is Street Fighter 6. I play at 1440p and get 50-60 fps on High presets on World Tour, but you know that micro stutters, it makes me really unhappy. But yea 1080 ti is powerful though, even to todays standards.

[@rnldrc]

While at idle my card consumes upwards of 65 watts, and while gaming more than 260 watts. Its definitely power hungry too.

[@hzwinip]

@@rnldrc yeah, 1440p seems to be stressing grandpa 1080ti now, lol. Had a hell of a run tho and is still great for 1080p.

[@jesusbarrera6916]

@@rnldrc dude anything below 60fps is unplayable for fighting games, I have no idea how you were playing like that

[@ZZUtopia]

Still rocking my Asus ROG Strix 1070 O8G

[@Katze822228]

the thing is that upgrading the GPU only improves GPU performance and not the whole system performance. Most games i play are still CPU limited on my 2016 build. So to get a benefit from the GPU i'd have to get a new CPU + mainboard + cooler too and maybe some new ram. Which then is basically a whole new PC and not just 200€. If i think about it the gpu would be the last thing i'd upgrade, I'd definitely get a better CPU first. But if I wanted to spend money on my system I'd rather get a 240hz monitor or a new SSD because these things have seen a similar price to performance improvement since 2016.

[@christinaedwards5084]

Gaming pc’s are good for 5years. After that they go in the bin. They are a total money pit 😂 I recently built a 5600 with a 6950xt. My plan is in 3 years when am5 gets phased out by am6 buy into am5 platform then when it’s cheap, and after 5 years spend around £500-£600 on another relevent graphics card. People on budget builds will still buy my then old card.

[@SweetPotato-cn7jt]

My guy, thank you for introducing me to Jawa! Ebay is such a poop-shoot and I got to save my 1080p 144Hz AM4 Build, upgrading my 2700x to a new 5700x and 5700XT to a used 3080 for $700 total. Waiting to build a new rig when Nvidia drops the 5090. Felt silly to do a full price fresh build around the 4090 and AM5 platform when they are due for a new release in like 15 months.

[@Theworthsearcher]

3080? 😲 Are you sure?

[@SweetPotato-cn7jt]

@@Theworthsearcher Yup! Founder's Edition non-ti for $460, there was another on there for $450 the next day after I bought mine, sold the same day lol 3080ti's are up around $600 last time I checked

[@Theworthsearcher]

Dear @@SweetPotato-cn7jt , That was a crazy bad buy. A Radwon 6800 XT costs less uses less eneegy and has more VRAM.

[@SweetPotato-cn7jt]

@@Theworthsearcher Wouldn't fit in my case, I needed a true 2 slot GPU

[@Theworthsearcher]

😲

[@noticing33]

ive been impressed at how good the rx6600 is at 1440p !

[@Matt-oq4jq]

if you play older games, it's rock solid at 1440p

[@vinylSummer]

Especially true for older games, but once you try to play newer games at higher texture settings.. Things fall apart quickly. I upgraded from 6600xt to 6700xt and got like 50% performance boost in some games, sometimes memory bandwidth REALLY matters

[@UncannySense]

rx6600 plays GW2 at 4k 60fps+ custom max settings in all but heavy populated zones.

[@EnemySniper_Animations]

The way I go about doing GPU upgrades is setting aside a little savings for the next GPU immediately after getting the last one. I usually upgrade every other Gen, but where I live it usually takes around a year after release for GPUs to even get close to MSRP (PC parts are overpriced here), so when that happens, I just buy the highest-end of any GPU I can get with 5 years' savings.

[@Joric78]

I upgraded from a 1660 Ti to a 6600 XT just recently, but that was only because the card was given to me by a friend that didn't need it. Still @50% performance increase, despite only going from 6gb to 8gb and being stuck on 8x pcie and a 128bit bus. It'll see me out until I upgrade my VR headset to something with higher res at the end of the year. If I'd been spending money I definitely would have bought a 6700 XT or 6750 XT for $480-$530 AUD though. Just hoping that by the time I upgrade my VR headset there's real competition in the upper mid range bracket. I'll be looking for 72 FPS (preferably 120 FPS) at just over 4K with everything cranked on new VR titles (quality upscaling is fine, and I can live without RT. Although when playing single player VR open world games for immersion, RT would be nice. Even if it requires DLSS3 not to be nauseating). Not keen on the current offerings of a RX 6800 XT or RTX 4070 for @$900 AUD.

[@ZerOSyRaX]

Thanks a lot for these great videos, I really like the style of your content!

[@tclark5481]

The question I have is will you really double your performance if you drop one of these GPUs into the machine with the 1060?. For one thing, you won't have a 7800X3D CPU in that machine. And, for another, you won't have DDR5. So, is the performance uplift really 2x, 3x or is it more like 1.5x or less?

[@olnnn]

I haven't done a full bench run but I just upgraded from a 6gb 1060 (one of the pretty much top of the line OCed EVGA 1060s) to a rx 6600 on my AM4 system with a 5600x cpu and it was def more than a 1.5x boost at least. Would need to go a few gens furter back to start getting cpu bottlenecked in most modern games with any of the shown gpus still - though the higher end GPU the less it takes ofc. There are also going to be games that are more heavy on the CPU like racing sims that aren't shown on these channels all that often.

[@liontuga155]

@@olnnn You’re very lucky. The 5600x was released in late 2020, which means there really is a ton of people with CPUs older than yours still paired with a 1060. I’m one of them. IMO, the OP hit the nail on the head, mostly because when first gen Ryzen was launched (2017), it was very common for tech youtubers to recommend pairing a Ryzen 1600 CPU with a 1060, which was actually quite reasonable, I guess.

[@olnnn]

@@liontuga155 True. was just an example. Agree in general that Daniel here should have demoed here with a system that would have been more likely to have been paired with a 1060 originally (I bought a used one much later as a temporary thing) that definetly won't have pcie 4.0 (i'm on a b450 myself so only 8x pcie 3.0 with the rx 6600) and could maybe even lack SAM/ReBAR support if unlucky and something closer to a first gen ryzen cpu as you mention. The slightly lower CPU overhead with AMD vs nvidia may also start to have some impact in this situation.

[@Whatthetrash]

Very cool video! Love to see this! :D

[@Danzo1212]

Still rocking a 1080 ti 11GB

[@greenman8]

Up until recently I was a GTX 980ti owner, and even now, when I hear of the, 'Almighty 1080ti' I tremble! That card is Legend.

[@themachine4008]

What about the Rx 7600?

[@SpeedIng80]

You should upgrade ONLY in case your gaming experience isn't fun anymore AND you really want to spend money, because it won't be missed in order to buy something which would be more fun or of course truly necessary.

[@mobileoncue1370]

Didn't know how cut down the 1060 3GB was when I ordered it, thought I was getting a 'great deal'. Shame on you Nvidia. :/

[@rng81]

Well it was a great deal for NV ;)

[@fritzlachapelle2612]

Why not show RTX 3060 ti in your testing

[@AirGunWeb]

Please forgive me if I missed it, but what was the testing platform? The premise of this video is what GPU to upgrade to if you are using older hardware like the 1060. So if you ran all these tests on current Gen parts: cpu, ram, pci bus, etc., then are the results applicable? Rather, if you ran these tests on what would be a typical setup for 5, 6, or 7 years ago, then that would certainly be more accurate? I’m curious to know your thoughts on how you setup your tests. Cheers Rick

[@AirGunWeb]

Ok. So I wrote my comment while listening and watching. You put the test config specs in the video description. (Thanks) So if you are running the “fastest” hardware, how does this comparison have relevance with someone that’s going to drop a “new” gpu in an old system? Certainly if you are going to try and show someone a direction then testing on similar class hardware would be better and more helpful? Wouldn’t you think? Thoughts? Thanks Rick

[@yahyasajid5113]

Would've loved the 7600 in this

[@person1745]

Basically replace the 4060 with it and the current price

[@bsr_raven]

I've been wanting a video like this for months

[@ylmazcandelen3121]

got gtx 780 (non ti) in my desktop and 970m in my laptop sadge. anything I buy is upgrade at this point :D

[@tech6294]

Great video! 😁👍

[@spiralcasemods392]

For 1080p I'd recommend the RX 6600, you may occasionaly have to turn some settings down, but it will play anything. If you're at 1440p, the RX 6700 XT makes the most sense.

[@Reyn_Roadstorm]

Not a 1060, but something similar, I'm going from an RX 580 8g to the 6700 XT along with a few other mostly minor upgrades. I was already pretty sure I was getting Starfield, so that sealed the deal! I haven't installed it yet, as I've had other things to do, and I like to take my time when installing components. Definitely don't want to get in a rush then have to try and return it... Depending on what's available and the prices, I might do a CPU/mobo upgrade on Black Friday.

[@DrSid21]

I am still using 1060 6gb zotac amp edition which I got in september 2016 lol. Considering 6700xt to 6800xt in september or if 7800 comes at decent price

[@ocha-time]

1060 to 6700XT would likely be too great an improvement and would make the user's brain explode, especially when placed next to its equal-priced Nvidia counterpart. "I paid for what?"

[@kristof6372]

I recently upgraded my 5500XT 8GB to a 6600 8GB on the cheap. Because the next year, we won't get anything good coming anyhow. The 4060 and 4060ti will not pass the test of time very well because of the low memory bus/bandwidth, the card will already get crippled by some games next year. So much for your 300$+ purchase... Hope next generation will bring decent products again. Let's hope on wide busses, lots of GDDR7 🙂

[@TaliesinSilvercrow23]

it looked like there was some ray tracing or path tracing noise in the shadow behind daniel at 1:16. is daniel a realtime 3d render?!?!

[@TaliesinSilvercrow23]

i know its the greenscreen btw, if theres some literal people in the comments

[@imglidinhere]

18:05 Yeah the 1060 was matching ITS previous generation 80-class card, so the comparisons here are not even close. This would be like if the 4060 matched a 3080 in performance at half the power draw. That's the kind of wild gain Pascal gave us. The 4060 is not that kind of card.

[@hzwinip]

They almost match it with software upgrades like dlss3 frame gen and improved rt, but yeah, those are specific scenarios on newer enabled games. Older games the 3080 will demolish a 4060.

[@imglidinhere]

@@hzwinip I mean... They can *sometimes* match it with frame gen, but since when has relying on a gimmick ended well?

[@hzwinip]

@@imglidinhere I wasn't condoning their practices. I just think they feel justified because of the newer software improvements. There is not much we can do except vote with our wallets.

[@imglidinhere]

​@@hzwinip The only thing Nvidia cares about is profits. They got drunk on the high of crypto prices and we're seeing the end results of them pissing everyone off. Sad state of affairs all around.

[@hopoff9968]

I can attest to Jawa they are legit and do pay very quickly. Had a 3080 that was particularly difficult to sell(HP OEM model) and sold it to them and put it towards my gpu upgrade, had it not been for them I probably wouldn't have been willing to sell due to the hassle, highly recommend them.

[@basilez]

6700 XT right now is a good deal, everyone is recommending it

[@vextakes]

Yeah there are still great deals out there

[@Castaa]

Good analysis. I liked how you also showed settings that are appropriate for the 1060. Which IMO are reasonable for a 7 year old GPU.

[@CharlieMike25]

Best to pair with a 9600k?

[@QuentinStephens]

Where are the figures for the A750?

[@Steven-ex3ne]

This is a nice comparison. Shows how good the 1060 was for its day.

[@TheVanillatech]

Wasn't though, was it? It just SEEMS good because of how terrible all subsequent Nvidia entry level cards have been since. It was basically a GTX980 for £230. But then the RX580 was better and cost less.

[@Steven-ex3ne]

@@TheVanillatech yeah I meant more in hindsight compared to the current rubbish

[@shaarkyygaming]

but also shows how amd gpus age better than nvidia, and when you make the choice you need to consider it, for example, r9 390 and 390x, compared to gtx 970 and 980 and gtx 1060 were in the middle around, lets say about the same, depends the games, but few years later in most games you need at least 6gb+ to over 8gb, even in older games, like fallout 76, marvels avengers, guardians of galaxy, tomb raider, rdr 2, god of was, godfall, not sure but horizon zero down was also one of them, shows how games between 2015 and 2020 also can get 6-7 and even over 8gb at 1080p, and in some of those games, the nvidia gpus are half the fps, probably the biggest reason is the vram capacity and bits. But then you need to think when you buy something new, and you want to keep that gpu for longer time, like if you have still 1060 or some of those gpus, so many years, how it will age, because see it like that, they were about same fps before, and now in the half games are way less or even half of it. I would say both companies have pluses and minuses, but if we speak here just for fps and how the gpus are aging, we need to think about it. Imagine spending so much money for 8gb in 2023 and want to keep to 3-4 generation, as the people who still have 1060, believe, me if you have 8gb on new gpu now, in 3-4 generations, you will have half the fps than the same gpus now with 12 or 16gbs, sad for who bought 3070, 3080 for having them for long period, powerful gpus with limiting them vram. And in general, i think noone should buy gpu in 2023 with 8 and even 10gb, even if the gpu is 100$, that gpus are powerful enough to play 1440p max settings, some of them in some games even at 4k 60fps, and are bottleneck by the vram, noone should buy them, as buying before few years 4 or 6gb cards, as well. From the games i have there are many older games which are going more than 8gb, not only the few new ones, and we are speaking about 1080p some of them few years old games

[@TheVanillatech]

@@Steven-ex3ne don't get me wrong - 1060 6GB wasn't a bad card! capable card and not a bad price. But it's not exactly a 6600GT, or an HD4770. Not even a 650Ti to be honest. A good card, nothing more nothing less.

[@Steven-ex3ne]

@@TheVanillatech yeah I ran SLI 6600GT for years, fantastic

[@Goatshaver]

I'm still running a 980 TI and it still holds up pretty damn well. I'm looking to upgrade my whole system but video cards are the hardest decision. Leaning towards a 6750 XT for some mid-range gaming.

[@greenman8]

I went from 980ti to 3060ti, and love it. If you don't need Nvidia (for- work, passion projects, or school), then definitely go RTX 6700xt/6750xt!

[@brionklarer2852]

I love the channel but my opinion on Jawa is that if you sold you card for what they’re offering there wouldn’t be a wait. Which there’s nothing wrong with that, that’s what they do but they offered me $92 for a 3050 and I got a few offers from local builders for $100 right then and there. Which if I wanted to go that low I personally would rather do it to a local seller to help my local market.

[@sakagoka]

I am still using a 1060 6gb and at medium settings it is playable almost any game and for sure any e-sports game so no need to upgrade yet, maybe at next gen gpus in 2-3 years I will replace it

[@sakagoka]

Any reviewer on this planet is amazed for the performance of the iGPU 680m and 780m and they are very happy with the performance but why nobody is amazed in 2023 for a 7 years old dGPU that is 30% stronger compared to integrated gpus?

[@brendanhoffmann8402]

I have so many decades of games on my steam library, there's a game for almost any PC whether it has low or high spec parts. The first game I bought on steam was half-life 2 in 2004.

[@inquisidorraam3643]

Nvidia knows that a lot of people are ready to upgrade, so they launch a "meh" one this time, and the next time they launch a real great product, so they force you to upgrade two times. They even said it, most people change the car every two gens, thats why they are playing as a company (Dirty).

[@peuwuep07]

This is the exact video I needed. I cannot thank you enough Daniel 😄. I have been using a 1660 super for 3 years now, and it was all that I needed for 1080p. Now, after upgrading to a 1440p monitor... it has been rough. I am thinking about going with 6700 xt now as it will fit perfectly with my R7 5700x. Then again 7700xt/7800xt (rumored) are on their way soon*..... Well, I think I will wait 2 more months.

[@adriandabrowski4990]

Wow 6700 xt with triple the performance but only twice as much vram, what a bad deal 🙄

[@Tigermania]

If anything this video reminds us that skipping a generation before upgrading again is good tactic, and also you don't need a $800+ GPU to get 3X performance if your current GPU has given 5yrs service at 1080p.

[@krullexneo]

I'm using a RTX 2080, I got it for £550 on eBay only 6 months after launch. It's a beastly card and pairs beautifully with my 1440p144hz monitor. My upgrade path sucks though. Was thinking about a used 3090, buddy has one for £600 but then I looked at the 4070, it's similar performance (around 10-15fps less than the 3090) but it uses so much less power 190w vs 350w and it has DLSS 3. It does have 12GB VRAM but when it's 12GB vs 24GB it's not really a big deal imo

[@seph421]

As one of the 5% 1060 owners this rundown was quite apt

[@Cobon50]

Bought a 2060 KO Ultra in 2020 for 329 from EVGA, inflation says 389 now, bought the 4060 ti for 1440p I am fine with 60 fps. I am happy with it. Like you said, many of us are not playing all the current AAA games. I have a massive backlog of new (older) games to play on Steam, GOG ect. By the time I finish stuff like the 4 Arkham Batmans, Bioshock Infinite and many others the 50 series will be out. I already know all the games I am interested in in the next year support DLSS3 so I am covered. If the 4060 ti had just had one model with 12 gb vram at same 399 price it would have been fair value IMO. And I hesitate to sell my old gpus. I have my last four EVGA gpus, if my current card fails I have a backup (2060), and I need one (970) for a media server, the other two are not worth much now (570, 760).

[@caribbaviator7058]

I went from a 2060s to an RX6800 last year. My days of buying 8gbs are over. I am glad I did. Microsoft Flight Simulator uses 8-12gb on average. I was going to wait for the 4060/4060ti hoping they had 12gb.Skipping the 40series and AMD 7xx cards. Next gen better be good!

[@jesusbarrera6916]

lol, imagine paying for a 4060ti...

[@MikeKlanin]

Great comparison and advice👍 I'm still running Radeon 380x, which performs slightly below 1060, I guess, and I've created a list of older games that I missed, but still want to play, calculated how much time it would take me to play through everything - turns out I don't need an upgrade for another couple of month😅 Hopefully, we'll have better prices by then, especially if 7700 will be released.

[@docolemnsx]

Err, if you like the older games, screw the upgrades and get any old core2duo with a gtx210 or something like that, install windows xp and open a whole new world of offline gaming for like $50, it'll even run Crysis if that matters.

[@jtd8719]

My EVGA 1060 6GB dual-fan version I bought in Feb 2017 just up and died a few months ago (I suspect a short or a blown component as it prevented the PC from turning back on). I got a Sapphire Pulse 6600 to replace it. The 7600 had not launched yet, else I might have gone for that. In a couple of years, I suspect we'll all be using APUs and discrete cards will be for really niche/enthusiast/prosumer builds only. I guess AMD will finally see their HSA dreams coming true!

[@Cygnus-Phi]

Not really realistic. Anyone who has a 1060 doesn’t have the cpu you're testing it with.

[@Noob._gamer]

Mobile phones are out performing that 1060 in 1 or 2 years mobile phones will be able to out perform pc and laptops

[@kbot22]

It's just meant to show the true power of the cards without bottlenecks

[@Cygnus-Phi]

@kbot22 is it though. This video is about upgrading.

[@kbot22]

@@Cygnus-Phi as long as your cpu is decently capable, you'd get around the same improvement

[@samgragas8467]

@@kbot22 At 1080p with an old CPU? I guarantee the 6700 XT would work well below 100%.

[@playingwithhailey1751]

the rx6600 is the best choice u can find them use for 150

[@Dcully]

Still rocking a 1080ti for 1440p gaming, not sure what to upgrade to .

[@michaelkane6797]

What does testing on a PCIE Gen3 motherboard do to performance on the 4060? I understand why it makes sense to eliminate CPU/memory as a possible bottleneck when testing GPUs, but the 1060 was introduced in 2016. PCIE Gen4 wasn't introduced until 2019, and then only on X570 and B560/Z590 motherboards. I don't know if it would be a huge issue, but a lot of noise has been made over the limited bandwidth available on these cards.

[@TuGaZXpTo]

Would love to see a similar video but for the 1070 and what kind of upgrade paths are possible. Currently waiting it out but would love to see some comparisons made with something like the 4070 or RX 6800.

[@Kules3]

Such shame there is no gtx 1660ti/rtx 2060 in comparison , regardless nice vid!

[@rng81]

It's crazy that a first gen RTX has only 2GB of VRAM less than a 4th gen...

[@hzwinip]

Bigger l2 cache.

[@rl53]

Would be good to see some RTS/Factory games added in too for those of us that don't touch AAA to give a good comparison between cards & if there is much difference.

[@comradeklaymore]

I would assume those games are probably more taxing on the CPU rather than the GPU

[@Tomasz-]

So you can still play on 1060, 1080p with some medium/ high settings. This is crazy.

[@Ravioli_003]

Great video as always. I think one point to mention is that those running a 1060, are probably on older CPUs and their PSUs are probably 550w or less. So it might make GPUs that need PCIE Gen 4 to get the most due to the limited 128 width bus, it might not be ideal to upgrade just yet, and wait for a GPU that is priced well and doesn't see too much of a perf. loss on the older motherboard chip-sets. I would love a 6700xt but I'm not sure if my 550w would be enough for it with my Ryzen 3600 and b450 mobo, since AMD recommends a 650W on their website.

[@JannyBesmircher]

Thats my exact 1060 :D I loved that thing. I finally upgraded to a 408 0 this year and gave my dad the old rig.

[@elirantuil5003]

FSR is not very usable in cyberpunk at 1080p if you have fully functional eyes and a 24" display.

[@zahadou]

there's a lot of 'gaming' laptops with 4GB 1650's....

[@TonyOneBlairoby]

Should have done the test with a CPU that "match" the 1060, like an i5 6500 or 7500. And maybe with a second wave of test with the best I7 you could mount on those sockets.

[@walter274]

I think a reason to upgrade is to check out the new technology. A question that people may have is can i enjoy some light RT on these cards? You didn't answer that question. Also with all of the talk of vram, a 3060 would be a good comparison. It is nice to see how well the 6000 series from AMD is holding up.

[@JimmyChino55]

If you want to run RT then you really need to be spending at least $500, 8gb on the new 60 class Nvidia's cards is not enough for RT even at 1080p in some cases and AMDs cards under $500 just dont do RT well while cards like the 3060 12gb lack the power.

[@walter274]

@@JimmyChino55 That really depends on the game. I recently switched from a 2060s to 3080-12gb. The 2060s was able to give good performance in Shadow of the tomb raider, Control, and ok performance with some RT elements in Cyberpunk. I had to use DLSS on 1080 with that card, but it was still a nice jump from my 1060 to 2060s. It was an even nicer jump from the 2060s to the 3080-12gb.

[@JimmyChino55]

@@walter274 As you said it depends on the game and the games you listed are all 2.5 years or older, the newer stuff especially the UE5 games that are coming will show up cards like the 4060ti which is less than 50% faster than a 2060 super despite coming 4 years later. If you look at a 2060 supers performance gains over a 960 which came 4 years before then it was 200% faster so thats why it aged ok, imagine how bad the 4060ti will look in 4 years time though being just 50% faster than what will be an 8 year old card at that point.

[@walter274]

@@JimmyChino55 I agree

[@techmist8034]

Would you consider testing 1800p resolution on 4070? it's the perfect middle ground between 1440p and 4k and I don't know why it's not popular since we have internal resolution scaling in most new games.

[@stangamer1151]

All modern games are equipped with DLSS/FSR. You can get better image quality with these upscalers at 4K + "Quality" preset, then manually lowering resolution down 1800p. And perfromance-wise DLSS/FSR are better as well. Daniel often shows DLSS/FSR in action.

[@techmist8034]

@@stangamer1151 Why not using DLSS quality on 1800p? it would be better than on 1440p. Also, Some games have shitty DLSS/FSR implementation like RDR2 and TLOU, and some games don't even support upscaling.

[@VdWck]

Proud owner of a 1060 6Gb, still gaming with it. I will upgrade with a 6600XT.

[@jol3co1]

Is this Fighter cooking at 80c+? (6700xt)

[@michaels9917]

I currently own a 5700 xt. Is there another $400 gpu that offers 2x the performance at that price point?

[@evilleader1991]

Doubt it, but if you could snatch a 6800 xt close to that price then that would be a significant upgrade.

[@michaels9917]

@nasir91 I'm hoping when the 7800xt comes out the 6800xt will drop into the low 4's

[@andrewdaley4894]

Good video !

[@TheTryingDutchman]

i went from a 1650 g6 to a 3060 12gb and that was a huuuuge improvement. if you dont change the graphical settings you can easily triple the fps. rtx 3060 12gb can be found for 270 now, not bad

[@lrft]

do you think a prebuild i5 11400 and a rtx 3060 ti for 550$? actually worth it?

[@Heradd]

Yes

[@Loppy2u]

Unless you can find a Pre build with a RX 6700XT. Usually get a cheaper CPU like Ryzen 5 5500, i5 10400f and A520, B560 boards for that. UK sellers of pre builds do that in the UK. Maybe a seller does in your region.

[@lrft]

@@Loppy2u link?

[@00Resev]

"Cries in 970 GTX" Its truly time for an upgrade, especially since i recently bought a 1440p monitor. I like it, but i really don't feel the need to go any higher for a very (VERY) long time, so what i need is a card that will give me 1% of 60fps on the most demanding games, without RT, upscale, or frameGen, so i guess a 7900 XT or a 4070 Ti will do me just fine, maybe even the upcoming 7800 XT will be plenty and suffice for the task.

[@h6u3]

The rx6700xt is a very compelling deal but i just need the nvidia cuda for deep learning. Ive decided to get a used 3090 for the vram and performance. I understand that amd has rocm but nvidia just gives so much less headaches to work with

[@drago939393]

Hah, I'm in the exact same boat. What kind of prices are you dealing with?

[@h6u3]

@@drago939393 if ur patient enough, you can probably get one a used 3090 for about 700usd via auctions. I've recently been looking into llms so I wanted a lot of vram as well so 3090 was the most performance per dollar in that case. i've been making by with a 1070 but llms eat up vram so about time for an upgrade

[@stew8584]

So good to see my 1070 at the top of a graph, Cheers.