Should you just build a gaming PC instead? PS5 Pro Killer Gaming PC Build

[@Littahe]

Besides not having to pay for online, you also have access to playstation and xbox games on steam. Also emulation and the catalogue of old games on steam that you just can't play on modern consoles. The value is simply better.

[@habs4life41]

Yep.. boom I can go play battlefield 1 with 100fps+ on true 4k.. it will never be upgraded on ps5.. Or max out the old assassin creeds in 4k

[@robertlawrence9000]

Yeah but it costs more than a PS5 Pro. Also he failed to mention a keyboard and mouse, a DualSense controller and the OS.

[@Aleksey-vd9oc]

​​@@robertlawrence9000And in principle, no one builds PCs from the cheapest components, this can become a headache in the future. For this reason, you can safely throw 20% of the price that turned out to be autor

[@ninele7]

@@robertlawrence9000 3 years of PS+ (minimal expected lifetime of PS5 pro and this PC) would cost 240$. Playing online and cloud saves are very important for me and most of PC gamers. On PC you have access to regional pricing with actual value; different game stores with great deals: humble with very low priced bundles, EGS with free giveaways and 10$ coupons in addition to sale, Gamepass that you can buy for month to play the games you want for price lower than on xbox and with very good regional prices in some places. And talking about PC exclusive experiences: modding, which gives multiple lives to games you already bought (usually for free); very cheap prices for old games most of which work without problems and run in your max resolution and framerate, lots of great indie games which release only on PC. All of this experiences cost less than playing big new AAA games, but might be even more fun. Also on PC big is price of entry. If we talking about buying PC for 1200$, something like 400$ worth of components will go to your next PC even if you completely switching platform. So next upgrade would cost you less. So, in general PC would be at least same value in long term especially if you buy high quality future proof components.

[@iamme788]

@@robertlawrence9000 He acknowledges this at 19:36

[@blendegames7657]

Timestamps: Introduction : is it possible to match the performance of the ps5 pro at almost the price of the ps5 pro? 0:00 CPU configuration : 1:50 Motherboard configuration : 3:42 RAM configuration : 4:17 Storage configuration : 6:02 GPU configuration (Biggest change from the PS5) : 7:43 Case and power supply : 14:38 Total cost compared to the PS5 Pro : 17:40 Considering an online subscription to PS Plus for online play functionality with PS5 Pro with the optional disk drive : 18:19 Suggested improvements for the PC: 20:20 Conclusion : 23:08 TLDR: PS5 Pro is not as much of a good value as the PS5 was compared to their equivalent PC builds.

[@threeequalsd4865]

He forgot to add in an extra $100+ for a Windows key tho.

[@danielowentech]

Thanks, might steal these

[@melexxa]

@@threeequalsd4865 just use hwid

[@pinktuna3693]

@@threeequalsd4865 Its more like 15$ for OEM keys. And honestly these days you can even get away with gaming on Linux

[@RegularNobody]

@@threeequalsd4865 Not really. Not only can you buy OEM keys for lite 10 to 20 bucks, you can use windows without activating and also sail the high seas. I'd say you can use Linux (Linux Mint and ZorinOS are *very* easy to use. Mint is easily my favorite distro to recommend), but for the very average user, the ones who barely know what a mouse is, it'll be just out of reach. Historically, people who used Linux were more technical, so there are still a few rough edges for the average user that need to be sorted out.

[@UncannySense]

7500F and a 7900GRE is the best bang for buck combo. AM4 isn't a massive cost saving. get a used RX6800/xt if you're trying to keep under budget. The true benifit of PC is once you've already invested in a case, PSU, storage and peripherals and to some extent Motherboard and RAM...you can upgrade CPU and GPU components while also selling those parts to recoup upgrade costs...So upfront a PC can be more expensive but overtime it gets cheaper. Consoles are locked in so the only way to upgrade is purchase an entire new console and perhaps sacrifice all your DLC in doing so...

[@Samelala]

Ah yes the old definitive 'bang for buck combo'. Like there aren't loads of other variables and price variations/discounts to consider.

[@SuperBobbyiv]

Bro i was just telling my friend about this how he needs to go PC ... i told him that the 7900GRE is the cheaper than the PS5 pro and its wayyy more powerful and AM4 super cheap too . after i told him this he like I'm building one lol

[@AbrahamZX1]

​@@SuperBobbyiv with a terrible upscaler and weak ray tracing performance.

[@ZaylaaZiaa]

@@AbrahamZX1 we gotta be honest at this generation ray tracing is only marketing stunt for the average consumer, no real reason to buy a gpu for rAy TRacING, and FSR2/3 is pretty much just as good as DLSS, the only reason RTX is a better choice is if you need it for productivity that requires CUDA or if you find them cheaper

[@BlazeBullet]

​@@AbrahamZX1RT is overrated IMO

[@theicewitch9328]

My little bro was a hardcore Playstation fan up to ps4. I convinced him to get a PC instead and he hasn't looked back since and never owned a PS5.

[@Middy666]

I was the same till my ps4 got water damaged by a flood in the basement. Saved up for a gaming laptop, then a pc and haven’t looked back since

[@2Guys1ControllerShow]

You're a solid older brother!

[@simlife445]

right on matho kido i was a 150 hpower car for life then for the "same cost to performanice if your smart/build your own... i know have a200 at 50% less fyi poor person horse power means nothing because if ppi and other factors... i work with poor ppl yet im a home owner .. i see stupid ppl who at times make more money then me but are poorer... adn this is one of the worst comments ive seen in my entire life ive met ppl making 100k in and some still have 42-50 inch tvs... yet a mf post about ps4 to ps5 if u understand ppi to resolution fully u would know u are a grade school c- kid if i could use your post in aschool to tech millions at a 1k cost i would because its so mf bad.. lit budget cellphone have and had better ppi then the ps4.. im sure u knew that... well no hench your comment and wtf math is why im upset... but lets let a guy witha comment starting with "my little bro" is why walmart amazonand best buy can sell a computer RIGHT NOW GO look it up weaker then the 2016 consoels at times using the end of updates aka windows 10... the math goese on... if 9328%by 0 is your iq i might not care but wtf "bro" is using over a deace old tech and being suuuuuuuper bad at it u are close to cell phone tech in about 3 ways

[@WotsaWonder79]

ep same pc rocks other than the maintaining part

[@Middy666]

@@simlife445 imagine calling other people a grade c- school kid when you’re not even at grade d- level English.

[@basicpshychology]

All this upgrade does is allow for a stable 60fps instead of 30fps in quality modes. With a $1000 PC, you have a 2K gaming beast, a workstation, and everything in between. Plus, you can upgrade a PC anytime-you don’t have to wait five years for a new PlayStation to drop. Once games become more demanding, and if the PS6 isn’t out yet, even the PS5 Pro won’t consistently run them at 2K 60fps. I've owned every PlayStation since the PS2 and also use a PC, but there’s no debate. Also, you won’t get true 4K 60fps with ray tracing on high settings. Are you talking about path tracing? Even an RTX 4090 struggles with that. You might get some low-level ray tracing, but not much more.

[@lolmao500]

Consoles do 1 thing. PC can do a million things.

[@proggz39]

Pay $300 more than the pro to run games at 2k. You guys are funny. Who tf cares how people spend their money or what they play on?

[@thehimself4056]

The CPU is old as dried crap. It’s literally based off second gen AMD tech.

[@T0L0M0]

2k is basically 1080p.

[@Silvest3r]

RayTracing is scam

[@SomeTotalRandom]

A lot of tech tubers are putting together a PC comparison but i got to say yours is probably the most accurate and well thought out, well done man.

[@ArouzedLamp]

Very close but I see a problem; Equivelant GPU = equivelant performance BUT equivelant CPU ≠ equivelant performance You've got a heavier OS doing more tasks, not to mention the 3600/x has SEVERLY less bandwidth which general especially RAY TRACING absolutely needs. Ideally you need better infinity cache, nvme 4.0, and to take advantage of ReBar/ SAM. Faster transfer speed from SSD to CPU to RAM back to CPU to VRAM is a negative performance factor on pc that consoles don't have. Ryzen 3000-5000 chips very much DO benefit from having four sticks of RAM in gaming as well by 8-15% in "modern" games, so 4x8 3600 cl 16 or even 18 is fiiine but optional A 5600 non x (undervolt + stock cooler) and a b550 chipset is required. Definitely snag whatever parts you can USED ALSO note that a 4070 is absolutely not needed as pointed out by other comments. Likely cherry picked scenario aka racing game which aren't hard to run. A 7700 xt is fiiine, you've got improved rt over last gen and while taking the other options I had listed above you'll reach the targets, also FSR3.1 is *now* dlss3 (not 3.7) quality and just now getting to be in most games. AFMF2/ Lossless Scaling seems to be decent at 40fps (even better on a 120hz VRR display) -> 60+ fps

[@hdz77]

No it's not, I also build PCs and don't really like Sony and this is Fake News, This is Fake News, I did a PC Build on PCPartPicker equivalent to the PS5 Pro, which is 45% faster then the base PS5 and it came out to be a little more then $1000.00, also no Disk Drive. If Daniel actually followed what Digital Foundry said then he would go for something 45% faster then the RTX 2070, and thats the 4060Ti 8GB, or AMD 6750XT, but PS5 is RDNA 4 which means way better RT so the best equivalent to the PS5 pro is the 4060Ti 8GB, also using ssd way slower then the PS5 pro defeats the purpose of building a comparable system to see how the price would match, this video is disingenuous at best and maliciously fakw news at worst.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

@@hdz77 The equivalent GPU to the Ps5 Pro is the RDNA3 7700xt. There is no evidence of RDNA4, everybody just forgot that RDNA3 has better RT than RDNA2 because nobody actually bought it lol. Digital Foundry got it wrong, they claimed RDNA3 has no AI acceleration, which isn't true. The Ps5 Pro is obviously just RDNA3.

[@Johnsbrggnfndm]

​@ArouzedLampyeah linux :troll:

[@pcmasterracetechgod5660]

@@ArouzedLamp He plainly stated he doesn't recommend getting a 3600, you can get a 12100f for less than what it's going for which is better. But also, while windows is heavier (although not that heavy unless you bought a bloatware PC or don't know what you're doing), on PC we have better cooling and higher clocks so the CPU can easily handle those background tasks

[@wileymanful]

Died 2020, born 2024. Welcome back "Console Killer" PC Builds

[@Workaholic42]

Thanks, Sony! 😅

[@lupintheiii3055]

It barely matches it... you should probably go look back at what "PS4 console killer PC" was

[@romaboo6218]

@@lupintheiii3055 Yet no subscription for online and and infinetly more games

[@Masaim6]

@@lupintheiii3055 The first Pc Daniel built will far surpass the pro, not to even mention the 2nd one. When rdna 4 releases a Pc with an 8800xt will destroy the PS5 Pro at $900.

[@lupintheiii3055]

@@Masaim6 No, sorry.

[@henson2k]

And games for PC are cheaper

[@jackfrosty24]

Don’t forget free to

[@daimsss.f]

@@jackfrosty24💀

[@bfhandsomeface409]

Not if you buy physical and resell!

[@AthleticHobo-br4qh]

Also most towers/chassis can be places horizontally or vertically without the need to buy a stand.

[@KevDawg1992]

​@@bfhandsomeface409 not very many people are actually buying physical games. Over 80% of games sold nowadays are digital. Games can still be found cheaper on PC even if you account for buying and reselling physical games. A game will be $60-$70 and you'll get $20-$25 for that same game.

[@cedrico4]

Being a long time Playstation fan, I finally decided to step into the PC world. I went for rx 6800xt paired with Ryzen 7 5800x with 32 gb of Ram. Total build came just under $900

[@tomthomas3499]

Sony took a page straight out of Nvidia playbook, slapping AI upscaling and better RT performance and charging premium for their pro version 😂

[@arenzricodexd4409]

Did you expect same price as base PS5 for better hardware? And of cource they will ask for premium price for it. Did you built $500 pc and expect to have the same experience on pc that use 7950X with 7900XTX?

[@tomthomas3499]

@@arenzricodexd4409 Increased hardware at what cost though? you think the value they offer justify the pricing? cause i, like most of sane people around the world don't think it is..

[@pinktuna3693]

@@arenzricodexd4409 that's what they did with the ps4 Pro so yes.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@pinktuna3693 PS4 pro coming out like 8 years ago? back then those 16nm price still considered to be reasonable. With PS4 pro i haven't look into details yet but if they were using 5nm class node then it could be very well what contribute to those expensive price. Original PS5 are using 7nm which cost around 9k per wafer. 5nm right now around 18k to 19k per wafer. Next year it will be around 20k because TSMC already confirmed the price increase of 5nm for 2025.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@tomthomas3499 if you want value then go with base PS5. premium stuff was never about value.

[@michaelpoger6662]

I love my ps5, when the games are properly optimized it’s more than enough but too often they are not. They upscale so aggressively to hit 60fps things look blurry. The difference on my 3080ti rig is incredible, Bought mine used 500$ last year after i bought the ps5. I can’t see myself buying new games for the ps5 so it just sits most of the time now.

[@Kevin-mx4vm]

I also love playing PS4 remasters

[@Stardomplay]

Games are absolutely optimized on PS5 as evident by the vast majority of titles that run on 60 fps. The issue is the GPU and it's aging compute capabilities. Especially in Unreal engine 5; the engine is upscaling at too low of a resolution. Even Mark Cerny himself said that developers are requesting more GPU performance as their number one concern during the PS5 Pro presentation.

[@Juice_VI]

I agree. This is exactly what the Pro is being brought out for. That forced upscaling and blurriness. I’m really hoping that it does because I prefer console.

[@cizzymac]

You weren't kidding about the upscaling. FF7 Rebirth looks like absolute trash on performance mode, and even then it can't hit 60 fps most times in the open world.

[@salvatoreesposito8994]

​@@cizzymacMan i tried the demo and It really looks like shit, same for ff16

[@Jmvars]

I think the upgradability is a big factor. Yes, buying a whole PC upfront is going to cost, but if you're upgrading you're only buying a GPU and CPU, especially if you're being sensible and going Ryzen. Realistically you only upgrade every 3 - 4 years. Hypothetically, if you already own a PC and want to upgrade to a PS5 Pro equivalent you'll only spend ~$630. If you have to get an AM4 motherboard as well it's ~$714. This is with a 4070 so you'll beat the PS5 Pro.

[@LongsamaGaming]

I think this was really well thought out and presented. That being said it has convinced me that the price tag is more reasonable than I initially thought. Particularly as some one with so many games in their ps library.

[@maynardburger]

Consoles shouldn't be praised for only *just* beating a whole PC in terms of value. The whole point of consoles are supposed to be that they're subsidized and affordable. If PC's can even get near in terms of technical abilities for the same price, then the console is doing something wrong.

[@LongsamaGaming]

@@maynardburger And they do have that in the base PS5. This seems like a test market item that is measuring what the market is for that higher end experience with console simplicity. Since they don't expect a high adoption rate they want to actually make some money on hardware they do sell.

[@alexk9295]

PS5 owner here who's gonna build a pc relarively soon. You're quite right about most things, although including the cost of the disc drive of the PS5 and not including mouse/kb (and os) on PC is unfair/biased imo. Also, with the PS Plus subscribtion you get 3-4 games every month. Are they all great games? No, most.of them aren't, but I think everyone could find a handful among them that they enjoy.

[@Benri05]

Well if you're only gonna use the PC for games you don't need a windows license for it to work. A windows license just gives you things like cloud allocation for files or some customization settings. You can also buy legitimate Windows keys for like $10-15 depending on the seller, I bought mine for like $5 7 years ago.

[@boirfanman]

I get more games from Epic etc than I get from PlayStation. With all the f2p games from the stores; the bundles from Fanatical; the giveaways from GoG and others; I've never had so many games to play. It's crazy how fast my library of games grew once I built a PC.

[@alexk9295]

@@Benri05 i do more things on the pc than gaming alone. I know about the $10-15 licenses. I have bought many over the years as every time you do a new install you'll need a new one ;) Still better than the expensive ones though. I'm going to wait and see what Nvidia's and AMD's new series are and then I'm going to build one. Shouldn't be too long anymore

[@alexk9295]

@@boirfanman yes, the pc library is huge and as I get older I tend to play more pc oriented games anyway.

[@boirfanman]

​@@alexk9295/videos It gets crazy big so fast! On the Windows key front, we don't really need one anymore. It only unlocks changing of background and other customisation options. Funny thing, I bought a Win 7 DVD years ago and have used that key ever since. I've built at least three PC's since then so if you can get a non-OEM licence it can last the rest of your life. Dependent on the direction Microsoft goes with Windows of course.

[@leec3881]

You may have forgotten the 'MUST HAVE' piece of plastic, which is the vertical stand... 😏

[@N5O1]

for whom?

[@leec3881]

@@N5O1 ??? Anyone who must have one...

[@uchennaobi5985]

i'm enjoying my 5700xt still and my 2021 PS5 purchase.

[@pinktuna3693]

damn did you get it at the scalped prices?

[@uchennaobi5985]

@@pinktuna3693 I bought non at scalp price was just lucky. my first PC build.

[@pinktuna3693]

@@uchennaobi5985 I was asking about the ps5. I remember prices being crazy near the release.

[@qrogueuk]

I've been building/upgrading PC's since the 90s. I got a 570XT £420, in Jan 2020 (paired with 3950X, 64GB ram) I mostly play 1080 and some 1440. Currently plays all my games and not really missing RT. Consoles have a place (I still own a few) but PC's offer more, than just gaming IMO.

[@uchennaobi5985]

@@pinktuna3693 I followed wario64 and got lucky

[@fatjawns3671]

Sony ponies gonna kill you for this one 😭

[@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd]

this pc is a weak joke lol, 6 core cpu and 16gb ram is not on ps5 levels. ps5 pro wins

[@profix4993]

@@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd yeah, 8 core Zen2 will definitely help you more in 4K (lol, it wont)

[@muhammadnuman3985]

@@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd bait lmao

[@2muchjpop]

@@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd ya no.... Newer and more powerful architecture and higher clock speeds make up for the 6 v 8 core. And remember the RAM isn't shared between system and GPU.

[@HanSolo__]

🐖 Iiihaaa...

[@KrisDee1981]

If you don't mind buying used GPU. RTX 2080ti for $200-250 is about 30% faster than standard PS5 and has 11GB of Vram and DLSS! PS5 is close to 2070S or 2080, but these GPUs only have 8GB or Vram so I don't recommend them in 2024. 2080ti is significantly faster then the PS5, so it would let you play games with higher settings, or you could use same optimized settings but bump up render resolution. But the biggest winner is DLSS which looks significantly better than FSR. For example the PS5 will play Alan Wake 2 at 60fps, 1440p FSR balanced (872p render), but 2080ti will do the same framerate in 2160p DLSS performance (1080p). The difference in PQ will be like night and day. If you wanna do 1440p DLSS balanced this would still look much cleaner than FSR. I'm speaking from my own experience as I have a PS5 from day one, and I'm also using 2080ti in my PC.

[@yasserbenabou213]

Ps5 is closer to rtx 2080​@@ELpeaceonearth

[@pinktuna3693]

@@yasserbenabou213 the PS5 GPU got the exact specs of the RX 6700 non-XT except for the memory buffer size and maybe clock speed.

[@jorge69696]

@@ELpeaceonearth That video is outdated. They did a new one and the 6700 is the closest.

[@djnes2k7]

A used ps5 is $350. Smh.

[@GrySgtBubba]

​@@yasserbenabou213Yeah, not even close. It's like comparing a 2080 desktop to a 2080 laptop... Sure, same specs, but the laptop/console version is about 30% less than the desktop in actual performance.

[@nerdedkyle3515]

After you add in the CD-ROM drive for the PS5 pro and the stand you're over $800. You also can do a lot more with a PC

[@thepicard83]

The PS5 pro will cost 800 euros in Europe. add the disc drive that costs 150 euros and you are up to over 950 euros. The pS5 pro will cost 1050 euros in sweden due to high tax rates and such. add the disc drive on top of that and you will get a cost over 1100 euros here. So a PC quickly becomes an more viable option.

[@MachhJuann]

One huge factor to consider that not many are mentioning for some odd reason is fps caps. In this video, you decide to go for the 4070 because it should have similar upscaling tech to the ps5 pro, but how important is that truly if ps5 games are still gonna have locked frame rates? You could have the ps6 and games like red dead redemption 2, for example, will still be stuck at 30fps!!! However, if you give up that upscale tech and get the rx 6800 instead, it’ll be way closer to the 700$ range with better realistic performance in most games. Now you’re looking at red dead redemption 2 running at 1440 native resolution at ultra settings at a consistent 60+ fps

[@skartimus]

I don't know why people are acting like bang for buck is the primary reason someone would pick a PC or console. It's probably more about how you like to play, where you like to play, where your friends are, what games are specific to each etc. Basically buy whatever you want, buy both, who cares?

[@aaronclay4665]

its mostly friends and such, morons who love pc are just the ppl who live on discord or reddit and wnat to game, ppl who like consoles again are friends and its cheap... trust me i play on both and some consoles users just want cheap entry to gameing.

[@maynardburger]

Well deciding what is best for you can be a difficult choice. And I definitely think more people accustomed to console gaming should at least give PC gaming some thought, because it really is a fantastic platform for gaming enthusiasts. It still wont be for everybody, but many write it off too quickly and have many misunderstandings about it.

[@skartimus]

@@aaronclay4665 Yah but they can buy a PS5 instead of a Pro right, does it matter if they don't have the uber version? PC is like that too, for the price of the Pro you'll get a low/mid PC, you can play with your friends all that jazz but you're making the choice to do that rather than dumptruck money on a 7800X3D/4090 rig for example. Ultimately it still shows the bang for buck of the platform is probably a lower consideration. I have been a PC main since the 90s but owned/played all consoles the whole time until XBO/PS3; Switch for Nintendo. I still remember all the venom getting chucked out in the PS3 vs 360 vs PC era, just never got it. They are less different to PC now, but they still serve different audiences and the performance per dollar really shouldn't be a factor if they have the games you want and play them well with your friends. Switch on the other hand, that thing I understand performance focus because it's goddamn dogshit 😂 I actually avoid playing it because the framerate is unbearable.

[@jesusdiaz270]

PC people are unable to live with the idea that a console packs way more power than any PC on the same price range. The mental hoops this guy has to jump through to get into the same budget are amazing.

[@skartimus]

@@jesusdiaz270 Not all PC people, I'm one of them. My job is literally designing, pricing, marketing custom built gaming PC's and I don't understand the obsession with this comparison nor do I think it's a realistic. From personal experience, people are more likely to buy a better balanced PC than the one in this video, and with the budget of a PS5 Pro it's going to be entry level. With the budget of any other console I wouldn't even sell it as a gaming PC. In Australia the regular PS5 is $679, the minimum GPU I would spec is the RX 6600 and that's $300 by itself, and two models down from what he says in this video is in the PS5 (not pro). It's not even close, and that's OK because it's not an apples to apples comparison to begin with, not should it be a primary focus of a buyer as mentioned in my OP.

[@rody2213]

I think this conversation will be worth revisiting after seeing the RT and upscaling capabilities on some games that are difficult to run at high settings on the PS5 Pro. This is an excellent video. I've been lowkey trying to convince a good friend of mine to build a pc so he can have the freedom of playing games at 60fps+ that consoles sometimes never upgrade. (Talking at you RDR2)

[@richardfranklin6003]

Exactly. So far all we really have of the PS5 Pro is the DigitalFoundry Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth comparison, showing that PSSR can indeed do better than Unreal 4 TAA at least, and a few lesser comparisons that show off that the PS5 Pro can produce more detail with the same input resolutions. We have zero idea right now on how much more it can push in the RT department. This is why I argue that it is very dangerous to low ball people with current AMD GPU's which have lousy RT performance. If someone is going out and buying a PS5 Pro killer blind and immediately, they should get a 4070, on a CPU that is noticeably better than PS5, to ensure the headroom is there.

[@christophermullins7163]

$950 for a console killer vs $700 + $tand + diskdrive + annual fee to play online + more expensive games.. Seems like there is now a convenience fee on console gaming. If youre technical..build a dang pc!!

[@spawnofapathy]

And with Sony it is even more dangerous. They’ve made system updates that remove console features, they will remove rights and delist things so you can never redownload them. And yeah, they don’t sell their digital codes anywhere so they control the prices entirely on their digital store.

[@acameron8784]

I really wish Sega would make a comeback. Would really love to play a new virtua fighter.

[@Zvxers7]

The biggest issue for me is building a pc like that would cost like 1400$ in my country But the ps5 pro will cost around 700-800$

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

What country?

[@Chazikiss1]

I'd save money by getting the 6800 or 7700xt and get a more powerful CPU. That 3600 will if not already be a bottleneck with something like a 4070

[@evilpotatoman9436]

Tell that to the PS5 pro... its still uses a potato for a cpu

[@Mermete8]

@@evilpotatoman9436 It's a weird choice for them not to upgrade the otherwise amazing R5 3600. With powerful GPU comes great CPU responsibilities. They will waste up to 20% FPS with that bottleneck. Guess 100% CPU compatibility was more important and cheap for game development alongside the base model

[@Velerios]

@@evilpotatoman9436 they use a 3700 rather than a 3600... and that#s still enough for all the gpus out there in this price range. just because they are slower on a 4090 you don't need a cpu that satifsy the conditions of a 4090

[@maynardburger]

RDNA4 GPU's will be coming out in the same ballpark as PS5 Pro anyways.

[@Antares-dw9iv]

@@Mermete8 I dunno given the abysmal internal resolutions we're seeing in many games on the base PS5 the additional GPU power will great for that, but yeah more CPU horsepower would have been great.

[@GM-gb1eu]

You would consider that EU has to buy the console for $880, and uk for $913.

[@George_C-e4v]

Yeah and RTX 4070 here in Portugal is 750€ alone.... so... :X

[@kristo2212]

And everything is more in EU

[@saintallnights7239]

​@@George_C-e4vPS5 Pro is not a 4070

[@George_C-e4v]

@@saintallnights7239 Technically it isn´t but it ends up with similar performance because of DLSS/PSSR, that´s the only comparable GPU. It is very unfair to compare it to 7700XT or 6800 because these cards have awful Ray Tracing and no AI upscaling. Still... if you want to downgrade the RTX 4070 to 4060ti, it still costs 500€ here in Europe :X no motherboard, no case, no ram, no cpu, no NVME, nothing...

[@saintallnights7239]

@@George_C-e4v That is not 'similar performance' as these upscaling tech can be applied to both. Part of a consortium of well known people that involves many areas of science, not this one. but my degree and offer of a PhD was in software engineering and we were sponsored by Sony Playstation and had links to Pixar. Never owned a console and I do not really belong in any .. 'camp'. If anything I was always a bit of a supporter of AMD even back when they were making 486 chips and broke away from Intel. but under no illusions. I did own a PSP. I kinda feel sorry for console gamers and have for awhile because I knew a long time ago where this was all going. Even the games. I am also well know for around 300 predictions in other areas of science and in a group with renowned physicists, astrophysicists, oceanographers, volcanologists and others. Because science has been wrecked in recent times and we work to repair it. I always keep an eye on tech, though .. its my little sideline and have been watching Daniel Owen a fair while now. Being a mathematician, always trust the numbers. Well .. unless some 'outfit' massages them.

[@PaulRoneClarke]

Also - at the end of it - you have a PC. And can do pretty much anything from any platform from any era - and actually - you know - do some work now and then on it. It's worth adding that the comparisons are based on Sony's own pre launch figures in terms of upgrade/uplift. Now I'm not saying Sony are outright lying - but I bet every claim of "X% improvement" is a cherry picked best case scenario. They always are.

[@euzelvillanueva3886]

Where's the OS and controller/kb/mouse cost?

[@aaronclay4665]

cuz it would cost well over 1.3k and he wont want to look bad......he pandering,

[@maynardburger]

@@aaronclay4665 OS can be had for super cheap if you dont buy directly from MS. Shit you can also just go with Linux these days for free if you want. You can also get a basic keyboard and mouse for like $20. Y'all continue to prove you really dont know much about PC's.

[@JimBobm]

You should already have those.

[@funkywonky94]

Os? You mean 10$ windows key or free Linux?

[@qweasdzxc]

@@aaronclay4665 os is free.. mice and kbs are cheap

[@Gamba16374]

17:56 and now we get on an interisting point suggesting the pc is equal powerful or more powerful than the ps5 pro the pc is more valuable you can do way more things with an pc but the other part is even when we are paying mor for the pc in selfbuild you shouldt egnor the fact that the ps5 is a massproduct im sure if a pc with equal power would go in mass production it would be as cheap when not cheaper than the ps5 pro

[@ni9274]

Mass productions is literally only possible with a console, what is good about pc is that you can customize it. Also idk why nobody acknowledge the reason why most people buy a console, they want to be able to easily play from their couch without having to go install games, drivers and troubleshoot the problem that will inevitably occur. (For example when I bought my first gaming PC I had to send my graphic card back cause of some drivers problems, people who buy console don’t want to have to deal with these type of issues. If you look on the internet you will find massive amount of people having issues with their new PC but it’s just very rare to have people who have issue with their PS5.

[@SansAppellation]

14:03 Also let's not forget this thing launches in November. Wait a few more weeks and it's Black Friday. You might well be able to slot that 4070 in without blowing your budget I suspect you will be able to beat the PS5 pro.

[@TheGoreforce]

absolutely especially with them needing to clear stock, with the blackwell release looming.

[@mattzun6779]

The nice thing about the PS5 or PS5 Pro for most people is that you pick it up at the store and plug it in. The cheapest system I can find on best buy's website with a comparable video card (7700XT) is 1200 bucks. It does have a much faster Ryzen 7700 CPU, but its not in the same price range as a PS5 Pro. There just doesn't seem to be many reasonably priced OEM PCs with a decent component mix. If you like building PCs, you probably already have something faster than a PS5 Pro, or just need $400 to upgrade the video card. If you build a new PC, you should also add a Windows license to the cost. If you build a PC for someone else, you have the continuing cost of providing tech support.

[@xviii5780]

People buy windows?

[@definitelynotacyborg]

tbh the Windows license is like 10-15 bucks...

[@leoSaunders]

7:20 careful with SSD's. you want DRAM nvme sticks, to not rely on HMB or other swap systems. some folks could get away with an SLC Cache but it really depends how much your applications write to disk. none of the drives shown have a DRAM cache. `Viper VP4300` has one but not the `Viper VP4300 Lite`.

[@maynardburger]

DRAM cache is supremely unimportant for gaming workloads(and honestly, most consumer workloads in general). It's a nice luxury to have, but nothing most people would need, and certainly not if we're strictly talking gaming.

[@leoSaunders]

@@maynardburger " DRAM cache is supremely unimportant for gaming workloads(and honestly, most consumer workloads in general). It's a nice luxury to have, but nothing most people would need, and certainly not if we're strictly talking gaming. " why do you have to be like this. are we talking about an additional game file drive or are we talking about a system drive? if you close almost all background stuff all of the time, you might get away with it, but it all comes down to how many read/write operations your cacheless one will have to do. Unless you really know your workflow (most newbs won't), it's better to go with a DRAM drive. Most these techtubers recommend these drives, but probably never sat on an HMB carried PC. They all need fast drives for their video files and most these drives come with DRAM. you seem to have a great recommendation i.e. your drive. what is it? (tbf in this case it might be offset by that 2TB and if it had 32 GB, but generally be warned)

[@gedeuchnixan3830]

5:43 the Ripjaw 3600Mhz CL16 for 36$ isn´t too much more expensive and in some games more performant.

[@jetsp]

Even though you pay more, there are several advantages to building a PC rather than opting for a console.

[@initialfd-3716]

Yes like stuttering unoptimized games lol

[@WheeledHamster]

Is waiting 5 years for a PS5 game one of the advantage?

[@brugj03]

You also pay more for a lot of DISadvantages. I`m aPC gamer, i know.

[@jetsp]

@@initialfd-3716 If I have to choose between poorly optimized games with stutters or games at 60 fps... I'll take the first option.

[@initialfd-3716]

@@jetsp really idk man I have both I play my multiplayer stuff on a 7900xtx rig usually multiplayer stuff is fine then the single player unreal engine titles I play on the ps5 60 fps is fine for single player games for me and I can’t stand the stutter that pc has had lately makes me wanna burn my pc to the ground

[@elu5ive]

ps5 pro will have 60 underclocked CUs which results in 7700xt performance. an AM5 pc (with 1tb gen4 ssd) that's just as fast in all aspects would cost 100-150 more (depending on component quality). but you can run it with win10, win11, linux, and have access to all games and emulators. as well as afmf2, which doubles visible fps in almost all games (if you have a 144+hz screen that is)

[@jameyt1]

-5700x3d -32gb 2x16 3600mhz (3d cache eliminates ram bottlenecks) -used 2080ti and oc that btch -Lancool 216 -b550 a -750w psu -1tb NAND nvme -240mm frozen notte -pirated windows (obviously) $850.00 Ez

[@псю]

And pirated games😂 And free multiplayer

[@lolpl0000]

@@wojtek-33 lol i am in such a blessed position in my life where i can own a mid-high end pc and not have to use a console to play games. in fact, i even own a VR set and that's something the xbox does not even have AT ALL. my build is pretty scuffed too, its all sorts of crazy components, but its basically a ps5 pro in terms of performance. i am not planning to upgrade in at least the next 3 years. :)

[@T1l1lllj1ljlJ]

I have a 3050ti laptop (bought new at $899). 1,5kg lightweight. I finished Cyberpunk, Eldenring, BG3, RDR2, GoW, etc. Playing old PS, Nintendo games with it. Easy to carry everywhere. Watching youtube, anime, movies, social media etc... and ofc doing work. Its just very convenient 😊😊😊

[@44magdeagle]

Dont need to pirate windows just buy a legit key from online resellers for literally $2

[@b0ne91]

Don't need a 240 AIO for a chip that runs cool af and pulls 100W of power at most, especially if you aren't pushing an OC.

[@BPMa14n]

This is a great video really helps people who are on the fence I can add that the ability to mod games and just make them the way you want it to is unmatched by any console

[@LookHereMars]

$300 console over a $700 PC, understandable. $700 console, $800 with a disc drive, over a decent gaming PC around the same price, lunacy.

[@JesManVP]

Ild personal take a Thermaltake 600 wat psu pretty good wont fry your components

[@Jumpman67]

I’m a console guy. I’m never going to go through the effort of trying to put all this shit together and build a pc that slightly beats a console and still costs more. I want a box that plays the games I want to play. I realize pc’s can outperform consoles but that’s not really my end goal.

[@bmorefranklucas]

Yup my thoughts exactly I only got a pc this year because I saw a game called star citizen and wanted to play that

[@jonr7364]

Does more than just outperform. You can put this together in an afternoon if you aren’t completely braindead like most console junkies, and you have access to pretty much every game ever made and multiple storefronts and freebies. I can’t imagine paying nearly 10 a month just for the privilege of playing GAMES I ALREADY PAID FOR online 😂

[@spunkysamuel]

@@jonr7364 How about acknowledge the fact that other people have different technical abilities and not act like you're a douchebag without a father

[@maynardburger]

That's fine, but also realize that there's a whole world of prebuilt PC's out there. And this isn't just about technical specs, PC's can do a whole lot more(even just in regards to gaming) while having access to way more games than any console. Not to mention the superiority of keyboard+mouse input for many games, or even if you like controllers you've got access to a huge variety of options(and you wont have to spend $70+ to replace one...). PC's really are kind of the 'ultimate' gaming platform, even if consoles do still have some advantages. And yes, a bit higher initial price is gonna be the cost, but if you're a gaming enthusiast, it can be very well worth it.

[@George_C-e4v]

@@jonr7364 Bro let´s stop this "having to pay for online" crap. First of all, the most played online games like Warzone, Apex Legends, fortnite, Valorant, etc DO NOT need PS plus. Second, the ps plus sub also gives you GAMES and you can get a cheap PS plus sub on any key website or digital accounts services, look for it. Emulation? I do that on my android tablet, how is emulation an argument for PC when I can play everything from Atari to PS2 on my 150€ tablet or even Android box on my tv? And just to finish, sports games offer an objectively better experience on console compared to PC. Not only you have more options but also no cheaters and bigger communities. EA FC 24 on PC is rubbish because you get oponents with full 99 overall bronze team, every player 2 meters etc.

[@rogoznicafc9672]

Something not considered for PC: Best keyboard you can get is logitech office one for

[@PeaceKeeeper]

The 4070 is on average 60% faster while the 45% uplift on the PS5 PRO is an "up to", and let's be real that is probably 1 game that they cherrypicked

[@proggz39]

I’d hope considering one gpu is the entire cost of the console

[@乾淨核能]

a PC with 4070 has higher price tag?

[@lachlanB323]

@@乾淨核能 Yes, but better value. If the PC was priced like a ps5 pro without disk it would be 933 dollars but it is 910. And you don't have to pay for online. And for 933 you can get a 5600 which crushes the PS5 pro.

[@darkkingastos4369]

Let's be real consoles are for kids that way they can just jump in and play games. They aren't better or worse they just have a different functionality for a different demographic of people

[@huskers1278]

3060ti is like $250 right now and i would guarentee its vastly superior to the pro GPU​@proggz39

[@Jolly-Green-Steve]

12:30 The RTX 4070 is the most accurate choice because you have upscaling.... 12GB VRAM buffer.... and 15 percent faster GPU which equals the same as PS5 Pro when factoring Windows OS overhead.

[@H34Rt54]

I was about to buy console back in the day and realize the subscription is too much for me.

[@Squidgy55]

This is my favourite comment 😊😊😊😊

[@pip5528]

I already own a regular PS5 and I'm building a PC for roughly double the price of the PS5 Pro but it's interesting to try to mimic it as much as possible.

[@PixelShade]

PS5 Pro, I just don't understand it. Where is the value in such a device and ecosystem? I've been a PC user since the 6th generation consoles (Dreamcast, Gamecube, XBOX etc.) and honestly, PC Gaming has (at least for me) been a whole lot cheaper in the long run, while offering superior experiences as well (higher resolution, better framerates etc)... I mean, I still have access to ALL of my 400+ games since 20 years back (and I can run most at 4K and even mod high-res texture packs if I want to) and I have also been able to collect all my games throughout my 80's/90's childhood through emulation, same goes for Nintendo games (don't worry I bought the games, not the consoles however) On the PC I have never.... - paid for online subscription - needed to buy expensive marked up games - felt the urge to re-buy HD remasters - felt the need to own several different console hardware due to "exclusive games" - never needed to change peripherals due to being locked to a specific manufacturer or generation. People tell me that PC is "SO EXPENSIVE" but usually it's just a small extra upfront cost, but when you have bought yourself into the eco-system you can keep your chassi for an eternity, the PSU usually last two platform upgrades (Heck I have a 30 year old fully working PSU still running). Same goes for storage, especially now with SSDs if you use them more as static storage for game- and media- library (causing very few read/write cycles. Today I have 7GB SSD space in total divided on 3 disks). Also, I can often remove the entire platform cost since I would need the PC professionally anyway. I generally only see the GPU as the only actual "gaming cost". These days I keep my platform for 10+ years and upgrade my GPU every 5-6 years (being only an incremental cost as I can recoup some of that cost by selling the previous GPU). Yeah, no. I will never go console again, and now when PC handhelds is a thing. I will likely never won't buy a handheld console either.

[@definitelynotacyborg]

TBH current Nvme SSDs have very good lifetimes. If you buy a 2 TB Samsung EVO or comparable SSD you can expect it to last without degradation until about 2000 TB have been written onto it (with heavy use that's around 20-30 years).

[@tyler6971]

​​@@definitelynotacyborgThat's if you buy a top of the line one. I've had nvme's only last not even 30tb. Also the samsung evo mostly has a 1200 tbw, not 2000.

[@definitelynotacyborg]

@@tyler6971 The one I have has 2000 TBW written on its spec sheet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And technically JEDEC standards dictate that you need to have 1000x the capacity rated TBW as a BARE MINIMUM to be sold.

[@tyler6971]

@@definitelynotacyborg What's the exact one you have? All of them I've just looked at seem to have a 3 digit tbw and the samsung evo has 1200.

[@Kryptix0III]

I would go 2 x 16GB since some current gen games use more than 16GB of ram. 16GB ram is not enough and is just limiting the system for the future.

[@M09O1O]

We had an offer last month from 2 retailers in Germany for a finished Gaming PC with a 4070 Super GPU and a Ryzen 5 7500F for 1170€. Compare it now to the PS5 Pro: 800€ for the console 120€ Disc drive 30€ vertical stand 216€ PS Plus essential for 3 years (I calculated 3 years of life span until PS6 arrives and many people would upgrade their PC) Total: 1176€ So both would have over a life span of 3 years the same cost but the PC would be way stronger. I didn’t even count the other advantages the PC brings like cheaper games and so on

[@Glotttis]

Disc drive why? 80%+ of customers buy games digitally on Playstation. But if you still need a disc drive in that case you also need to add disc drive for PC, over wise comparison isn't valid. Then PC also needs Wifi7 for proper comparison. Then PC also needs GPU with advanced RT and ML upscaling features like a 4070. Then PC also needs high quality input peripherals to match DualSense (not some crappy 10$ mouse and keyboard). Oh and DualSense has advanced haptics, microhone, speaker, adaptive triggers. None of that with mouse+kb. Then we come to PS Plus and this is the biggest "fake news" that people spread around. You do not need to pay for PS Plus to play pretty much any most popular online game.

[@tracksfrl4096]

Ps Plus is optional u don’t need to play Multiplayer games most buy the PS for story games to play it on a couch and chill

[@andresx791]

You don't need a vertical stand and you definitely don't need to pay upfront for a 3 year PSplus subscription...and the PS5 pro is perfectly functional without a disk drive. I not defending the PS5 pro price, I think it is a bit Hight considering is not including the drive, but equivalent PC hardware is going to be more expensive than consoles.

[@George_C-e4v]

Bro let´s stop this "having to pay for online" crap. First of all, the most played online games like Warzone, Apex Legends, fortnite, Valorant, etc are DO NOT need PS plus. Second, the ps plus sub also gives you GAMES and you can get a cheap PS plus sub on any key website or digital accounts services, look for it. And just to finish, sports games offer an objectively better experience on console compared to PC. Not only you have more options but also no cheaters and bigger communities. EA FC 24 on PC is rubbish because you get oponents with full 99 overall bronze team, every player 2 meters etc.

[@unwaryrince]

I view the cost of ps5 pro + disc drive + stand as how much i should invest into an upgrade for my current pc. Don't forget to add in the cost of a yearly subscription cost for console online play when its free on pc since you're already paying for internet.

[@Gyniany]

People are also forgetting that the ps5 pro is just a console, a pc has way more functionality.

[@ZratP]

But that's why they may have different use cases. I already have a cool thin and efficient laptop for all my productivity needs. I just need a gaming box that works, that doesn't make me handle extra Windows and drivers non-sense and works well on my 4K OLED TV instantly when I come back from work. From that perspective as a gaming machine, the PS5 is good. Of course if you just want one machine there is nothing that is as versatile as a PC, but that's not the goal of a console to be...

[@Gyniany]

​@ZratP I understand and agree but I still think a pc offers advantages that you can't overlook. For one pcs can be upgraded over time without needing to buy a whole new console. Plus with a pc you have access to a wider library of games like indies and mods. A pc seems like a more future proof investment. Nonetheless, I get wanting to game without the hassle. Also ps plus is a thing...

[@brugj03]

A console these days is always outstanding value. A pc is a bottomless pit.

[@firexallst4rz277]

Yep my 900 dollars is going towards a PC.

[@melexxa]

@@brugj03 consoles are only for lazy illiterate bums.

[@zedrake]

One thing I think videos keep getting wrong about Playstation Plus and its cost is that it isn't as cut and dry as "you have to pay to play online". The most played games on almost every system, be it PC, PS, XBOX, are F2P and on both Xbox and PS you don't need online subscriptions to play those games, eg Warzone, Fortnite, Valorant etc. Moreover, I'd say the PS+ Extra is great value. Sure its £99 per year but there's 462 games in the game catalog (PS equivalent of Game Pass). And those games are games you'd be paying £20-60 for. Regardless of price there's just some incredible titles in there: Bloodbourne, Animal Well, Undertale, Remnant 2, Witcher 3, Ghost of Tsushima, RE2, Uncharted series, Last of us Part 1 remake, Death Stranding, Doom Etneral, Returnal, Control, Disco Elysium, God of War....I could list another 20 easily. There's 1000's of hours of brilliant gaming to be had. If I bought god of war on steam it would set me back $50. Or sure pick it up on CDK for like $15 but even then after you've bought a handful of games you've made up the cost difference I spent on PS+ Extra. I appreciate theres even more nuance but I don't want to write war and peace ha P.S - PS+ Gives you pretty hefty discounts as well so the money really isn't as simple as £99 gone

[@aberkae]

Wait for Black Friday the diy build often is significantly cheaper.

[@kraviznina]

Most people doesn't count Europe. In Europe PS5 Pro is 800e, that's like 880$. Also ps1,2,3,4, retro consoles, xbox360, nintendo switch emulation with this pc will work smooth. Free online, plenty of apps without ads or anything. Couple ps games are exclusive rn, everything else is on pc. There is game pass which you can share with 8 people. Cheap cd-keys for every game. Settings in games for most fps and adjusted visuals as you like. You want 144fps, just use dlss/fsr and frame generation, you want better visuals, just go native on ultra settings. Turn off shadows and get 10-20fps. Plug and play is good but with pc you can also do that. I just turn on my controller and it's connected to pc. A lot of free games from epic store too. PC will get bloodborne 60fps before PS.

[@EthicalAllele]

Games on PC aren’t always cheaper. Physical games still exist for consoles, and you can get them used sometimes for huge discounts. Even new physical copies of games can be on great discounts, especially if they are older games. The PS5 can play basically all PS4 games, so you have a lot of cheap options. I was able to snag Dark Souls 3 with all of its DLC included for $15. I’m not saying this to defend the PS5 or PS5 Pro. I still prefer PC. I just wish physical PC games still existed :’(

[@bearwynn]

then you have to add the disc drive price onto the PS5 pro cost as that is separate

[@venusprinzj8094]

Games are always cheaper, keys or sales are better on PC. Steam is also respected among PC gamers and thats why we all love Steam and hate other GameLauncher like Epic. Steam will never rob you with your digital Games, im not so sure about sony.

[@reiniermoreno1653]

Fuck physical media, optical storage is completely trash I'm glad PC doesn't have that shit anymore

[@EthicalAllele]

@@bearwynn Yes, you are right. It's just that I see people use the "games cheaper on pc" point against consoles when it isn't always true. The cost of the PS5 Pro and disc drive is absolutely insane.

[@EthicalAllele]

@@venusprinzj8094 Please point me to where I can get Dark Souls 3 plus all of its DLC for $15 on PC. On Steam, the lowest Dark Souls 3 Deluxe Edition has ever been was $14.44, and that was only one time in April 2020. Most other times it was on sale for $21.24, and ever since January 2022, the lowest it has been is only $42.49. I'm not saying you can't find games cheaper on PC than on console. It definitely happens. But all games are not *always* cheaper on PC.

[@MaxIronsThird]

need to take into account that the PS5Pro is still not out, so the future 8600XT that is launching in a few months, is a better choice than either 7700XT/6800 or the 4070 and won't cost more than $350.

[@harsha1179]

“I recently bought an RX 6700 XT Sapphire Nitro for $250. I built the entire PC for around $500 , power supply , monitor , ram, cabinet, brand new from Amazon

[@Boss69292]

Nice

[@HanSolo__]

This.

[@MMAPROFIGHTER]

And you Will play at 1080p

[@misterpinkandyellow74]

Nope, 1440p​@@MMAPROFIGHTER

[@williamcordero91]

@@MMAPROFIGHTER😂

[@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor]

It always starts at just wanting to be at the current console gen. But it never ends there.

[@GROGU123]

I can't stand paying money to play online, i'm staying PC for life.

[@stem7141]

The best games don't need online and release months or years before on PS5 a lot of the time (Stellar Blade/FF7 for exemple)

[@patrickstar3820]

I have a PS4 and a 4070 PC I only play the PC for stuff that's not on the PS4. I guess it's all about preferences, but console for me are just reliable and easy to use. I've had my PS4 for a decade now and never had any issues. My PSU failed on my PC once so far in the year i've had it, took a month to get it back through warranty. It mainly depends on the games you play tbh

[@gamefandrg]

the 12700K COMBO. on micro center was like $250

[@moker1215]

Disc based games are cheaper, but not needed. Also a controller and a hdmi 2.1a should be added. Maybe windows 11 too?

[@jonr7364]

Windows is free, also what do you think the 4070 outputs are? You think you have to buy the outputs separately? 😂

[@moker1215]

@@jonr7364 it isn't free lol. It has a price in the windows store. A 2.1a cable doesn't come with the GPU. Also I forgot a controller/ mouse keyboard. Lol

[@maynardburger]

Disc-based games are not cheaper than PC game prices on average. Even buying used, you'll struggle to match the sorts of deals you can find on PC.

[@moker1215]

@@maynardburger I game on both, and nope. Physical is cheaper and also tradable and resellable. So overall cheaper and more value lol.

[@amokana]

Best argument for PC is that you don't need to wait for a patch whenever you have a new console model. I was so frustrated when i open a ps5 game and notice it's just the ps4 version capped at 30 fps 1080p because the developers didn't patch their game ... The same game on PC can be played at 8k if you want even if said game was released 15 years ago

[@8Paul7]

Yep, every PC upgrade automatically improves experience in every game. Meanwhile on consoles you gotta pray devs will release updates..

[@Antares-dw9iv]

Yeah honestly these days in the era of backwards compatibility and mid generation refreshes console games should just flat out have comprehensive PC like graphics settings. Give us the usual developer optimized Performance and Quality modes as a base for people who just wanna jump in. But also include a menu with advanced settings for power users and future proofing.

[@joemccarthy57]

PS5 Pro price might be competitive in the US but not so in the UK or the EU. GBP and EUR price is around 900-1000 USD before taxes. You can build this PC or similar from that budget that beats the PS5 Pro anytime.

[@browsingmain5338]

Dont forget you have to buy a $75 Controller on PC. It doesnt come with one.

[@GhoulSolo___]

Most people will either have one or not want one

[@browsingmain5338]

@@GhoulSolo___ So if you already had a controller you could buy a ps5 pro then could sell the controller since they already have one for $75 brand new knocking the playstation pro cost from $699 to $625.

[@supakaioshin]

​@@browsingmain5338😂you funny bro

[@zaferoph]

@@browsingmain5338 And then you have to add 80 for a disc drive

[@GForceIntel]

I have a 15 dollar controller on pc that has lasted for 7 years. I have issue with ps5 controller as well as xbox

[@zachary149]

My 1440p build: -i5 12400 -16gb ram -rx6800 used (240$) -4tb total drive (mixed) -650w psu -cheap 32$ case Total cost: 565 $

[@Grac3AndP3ac3]

Is this build good? Does it rival the ps5 pro? I'm learning bout pcs since the pro announcement and I'm trying to figure out how to make a good build. Prior I didn't know what a cpu or a GPU was or that they even existed. Listening to pc gamers the last week while I was working I started to understand some of this stuff but I'm still struggling a bit. Also do you know of any good brands to buy from. I've heard one mention a company called Intel something (I can't remember exactly rn) And last question can I just build a tower and connect it to my ultra smart 4k TV???

[@berkutmig8319]

3:28 While the Boxed cooler is """""""""""""fine""""""""""", using a Tower Cooler like a Peerless Assasins 120 can lower Idle temperatures 20°C. Also, Thermal degradation is a thing on 3600. Just a recomendation.

[@DouglasWatt]

Hey, some comments for you: the 16GB of RAM in the PS5 is a 2 GB for the OS and 14GB for games. So how much is used for the program data and how much is for graphics processing is up to the devs. I also think you're beginning to see devs really take advantage of the 7GB/s data bandwidth more on PS5 now (see Spider-Man 2), so it will be interesting to see what those future PC ports will require (PS5 NvME is capable of around 8GB/s throughput thanks to the hardware compression/decompression chip; most devs just aren't pushing their games that hard because they know it would limit the market on PC). Additionally, the PS5 Pro is now running with a memory bandwidth of 576 GB/s, which is over 10% higher than a 4070. There's a chance that in non-CPU limited scenarios, the PS5 Pro could match the 4070 in some metrics due to this extra bandwidth - especially if the PSSR upscaler is doing a good job & the developer has taken the time to optimize for the console. If we assume these upgrades come with additional power cost, let's say 20%, the PS5 Pro would still be expected to consume around 240W during heavy gaming, which is still way lower than this build - the 4070 alone consumes about that much power under load. While the cost of power doesn't offset the cost of PSN+, it's still a bit more competitive than you present in the video. On the CPU side for the "beats the PS5 Pro": you probably want an 8 core if you are going to build a new PC. Yes, it's more expensive, but when you factor in typical use case for PC gamers has lots of background tasks (all those launchers and RGB managers) and PS5 games are designed to have uninterrupted access to 6 or 7 dedicated cores, then having some extra cores that can handle your PC background tasks is ideal. Finally, the suggestion of "if you have a console game collection, so you might want a disc drive for the PS5 Pro" is a bit unfair to the PS5: the PS5 only supports PS5 and PS4 games, and PS4 emulation is a thing now. So if you want a backwards compatible disc drive, you'd probably want a disc drive for your PC too - and in fact, thanks to emulation you could play more games on the PC than just PS4 and PS5, so it's more value add to the PC than it is to the PS5 Pro! But yes, the PS5 Pro needs to include the disc drive and stand at the current price.

[@Innosos]

The SSD bandwidth is a good point but not unique to the PS5 Pro. The memory bandwidth difference is negligable when you consider that the PS5 also uses that bandwidth to do its RAM. Hardware specific optimization will have a bigger impact than that small advantage. You can undervolt the 4070 quite nicely to get closer to the PS5. Chances are a PC is still gonna consume more just be the nature of its modularity. 8-cores are unnecessary for gaming. RGB managers - what are you talking about? A launcher like Steam costs you almost nothing in background tasks. If you compare apples to apples - as in you don't run stupid bs in the background cuz the PS5 can't do that either you'll be more than fine with 6 cores. I don't follow your disc drive emulation argument. Most people who emulate don't actually rip their own blu-rays or DVDs but rather hoist the sails and go pirating. You don't buy the necessary equipment for each and every potential system you want to emulate games from - or even buy an original copy of the particular game - let's be real.

[@DouglasWatt]

@@Innosos On the disc drive point, I was commenting with regards to the logic presented in the video as to the value of a disc drive, not what is typical user behavior. You're right, most people who emulate do so with less-than-legal copies, but if you find value in a PS5 disc drive, you'd probably find value in a PC disc drive as well. And I work in video games professionally. You ABSOLUTELY want 8 cores for modern gaming, esp. on titles that are releasing this year and next. The PS5 is an 8 core CPU with 6.5 cores reserved for the OS. For a PS5-equivalent PC, you would also want 8 cores for the OS and background tasks plus the game. Additionally, many PC games will run on lots of threads if you have more available. Yes, older games do not, but newer games - the kind of games that would be targeted for the PS5 Pro, don't have PS4 versions, and are fully designed for modern PCs, would indeed see a performance benefit to 8 cores - in non-GPU bound scenarios. Most PC gamers though prefer to play in GPU-bound scenarios, so there is a question of user behavior at play too. However, even if you play the games that aren't CPU-bound, if you want to so stuff like capturing gameplay, the PS5's dedicated CPU cores will handle that without as much a performance hit as happens on PC (the PS5 is constantly recording several minutes of your gameplay at all times). And for the SSD - I completely agree that it applies to PC. But he put in a pretty slow SSD because most games to date haven't mandated it (despite plenty of games still showing a performance improvement), but I think buying a slower drive to save bucks is going to begin to see longer load times as more devs take advatnage of the proliferation of faster drives.

[@Reza1984_]

I recently stopped paying and switched from my ps5 to a 4060 1440p PC, the only thing I miss is the controller and the couch, more games should add controller support

[@8Paul7]

In the long run, all roads lead to PC.

[@shamarwitherspoon804]

I agree

[@physxme]

A thing with the PS5 SSD is that its read speed is fast and comparable to a pcie 4.0 SSD but its write speed is just horrible. When you move a game from the PS5 internal SSD to a added pcie 4.0 m.2 SSD it's very fast, but it's not the case vice versa. I guess sony just doesn't expect you to copy a big chunk of data into the internal SSD at a very fast speed and probably cut some corners.

[@amzgamingx]

PS5 was the best value option for gamers who prefer to play single player games because there is no pc you can build new that matches a r5 3600 and rx 6700 for $500 brand new, keep in mind that ps5 games are developed with 12GB of VRAM ...ps5 pro just destroyed that proposition lol time jump on pc boys !!

[@bobbyharris2270]

You mean 2060 super performance

[@amzgamingx]

@@bobbyharris2270 nope i mean 6700 performance. Base PS5 is not bad.

[@bobbyharris2270]

@@amzgamingx it doesn't have that much power it only has up to 2060 Super level of performance though professionals already confirmed it so?

[@1986Hikaru]

@@amzgamingx base PS5 is horrible, the fuck are you talking about?

[@amzgamingx]

@@bobbyharris2270 not really check DF's video on the PS5 GPU it was matching 3060/6700 with equivalent settings of course

[@ClaudioAguileraMunoz]

I already have two monitors, gamer keyboard and gamer mouse… should i change from ps5 to pc? I could sell the ps5 for $400 but I would need $1.500 for the PC

[@bfhandsomeface409]

Long story short, you cant build a gaming PC with equivalent parts and storage for $699! To be fair you would also need to include accessories and a operating system!

[@Kevin-mx4vm]

Just get a free windows 10 license

[@Middy666]

True, but if you factor the cost of games + a subscription I feel like the value offer makes more sense. Say you upgrade systems every generation (PS4 to PS5 or ps4 pro to ps5 pro). In that period of time (8 years since the ps4 pro) you buy a conservative 1 game a year. 8x60 = $480. Add to that the cost of ps plus for 8 years ($160 for 12 months x 8 years = $1280). Not including the vertical stand, in that amount of time you’d have spent $2,460 from console gen to console gen. Easier to stomach paying it bit by bit over the course of 8 years, but for that much you could easily afford to get a basic gaming pc, a 1440p monitor, a keyboard and desk. With whatever you have left over, very slowly upgrade your pc.

[@avantewatson9793]

​@@Middy666 $80x8* not $160x8

[@Middy666]

For the record idk where Daniel $80 from, the ps plus website clearly says 159.99 for a year of ps plus

[@bfhandsomeface409]

@@Middy666 This sounds good, but is not necessarily true. First - the online fee is optional, Second - If you do buy it you get 30-40 free games and extra discounts, and Third - you still have access to physical media, which, when resold makes new games cheaper on the consoles! Also, most people upgrade PCs more often than 8 years.

[@cptwhite]

If I were building a system for around £750 I'd probably be getting: Ryzen 5 5600 - £100 Thermalright sub £20 Cooler, maybe the S100 - £20 B550 mATX board with Wifi - £90 32Gb DDR4 3600 - £60 1Tb NVME (2Tb is budget allows) - £40 RX 6800 XT 16Gb - £300 on used market Case budget £40 PSU budget £60

[@jackkunasaki5044]

Short answer: yes

[@bfhandsomeface409]

Someone didnt watch the video! lol

[@jackkunasaki5044]

@@bfhandsomeface409 ...or buy a steam deck....

[@alb-bos]

@@jackkunasaki5044honest answer: no!

[@Caveman_420]

This was probably your lease put together thought out video I’ve ever watched. I probably wouldn’t use the CPU with the built-in, GPU, and the 16 GB Ram.

[@bmwb10ix]

PC games are often cheaper yes, and steam always has discounts. But if you are taking the PS subscription into the mix then you should consider all the games that come with that, its a lot, they've been giving a game or 2 since it's inception. And if you go for the next tier up then you get access to the PS Catalogue which includes a much larger range. Epic has free games but you have to be there to claim them. And sometimes it just nice to turn on a console and play and not have to deal with inconsistencies of the PC like game settings that people might not take the time to optimise or if the pc or game has issues and you're not a person that knows about all that stuff.

[@reiniermoreno1653]

With this pc you don't have to deal with settings, you can play everything in 1440p 60fps with "high" presentings in nearly every single game launched until December 2024

[@Benri05]

Until you unsub and lose access to the free games, I have almost 400 games on Epic without a subscription.

[@bmwb10ix]

All true.

[@tracksfrl4096]

@@Benri05 ye they changed it recently u could download the games and still play without the subscription unfortunately not anymore

[@maynardburger]

You dont own any of those games on PS Plus, though. They're just long term rentals.

[@TopNotchPanch]

Adding a year subscription to the PS which you essentially need and using a 7700xt makes things significantly more even

[@Kapono5150]

That’s going to be so embarrassing if Sony can beat FSR. The bar is pretty low, FSR is absolutely terrible

[@TheTechNerd-s7g]

They are going to. If they couldn't, they would just use fsr. Why invest the money?!!

[@Jason_Bover9000]

I think its using the new gpu from amd 8000 series that not out yet not sure but I will definitely compare the 3 ps5 pro 6800xt 7700xt and 8000 series that doesn't have high end gou

[@bfhandsomeface409]

@@Kapono5150 FSR at 4K is actually good, maybe at 1080p it’s bad, not sure.

[@Kapono5150]

@@bfhandsomeface409 it’s the shimmering that made me switch. It was so distracting to me and I couldn’t unsee it. Other than that, I actually liked the card and the Adrenaline software is leagues ahead of nvidia control panel

[@N5O1]

they already did... what are you talking about? can 6700 give you 60 fps in 4k?

[@TheVillainOfTheYear]

One thing few ever talk about is the fact that when you have a PC, you can use it as a PC (obviously). If you just get a console, you still probably need to buy a PC anyway. It that's true of you, figure in that $800 you would spend on a laptop during the life of the console to the cost of the console, because that's a cost you don't have to pay if you bought a PC. So that "$700 console" is actually $700 + ($79.99 x 4 year console lifespan) + $800 for a laptop = $1,820. For that price, you could have a high end PC, or a mid tier PC and the monitor, desk, and chair.

[@matthewsnyder7277]

Being a PC gamer, I would be wary of ever buying a PS5 pro. My concern is because the PS5 pro cpu isnt good, game developers will release the same old garbage game engines that are cpu bound. This will mean you are still playing the game at 30fps despite a massive increase in horsepower of your machine. I would make my ps5 pro 'match' with a good cpu like the 7600x and a decent but possibly slower gpu like the 6750xt or 7700xt.

[@lpvgs-817]

speculation... you dont know the inner workings of it no one does, no one has even had their hands on one yet wait till DF or some one reputable does an honest break down of the machine ppl are losing their minds over this thing its crazy

[@user-ii2lg9nb6i]

We also have to consider that many people already have some kind of tower PC, which maybe has a case, fans, ram and PSU. If you have an AM4 mainboard and a somehow decent cpu, you can just use your money for a better GPU and come pretty close to the PS5 Pro. You know what I mean?

[@briananeuraysem3321]

You can use a PC for gaming, You can’t use a console for productivity is my logic for going PC

[@Glotttis]

Have a PC and all consoles is my logic to avoid all this petty drama.

[@Liberkon]

There are lots of good points for PC gaming, but this is the weakest in my opinion. A phone these days is enough to Google things, see emails, social media, video calls, stream Netflix ect. Productivity is only true if your job requires a computer. Some people work in retail, others in construction and more. Why would your average Joe who just wants to play games, spend thousands on a computer for versatility? It's better to focus on other points.

[@joseywales3141]

⁠​⁠@@LiberkonRight, and also many people say they don’t want to play on PC for that reason. They worked on a PC all day, they don’t want to come home and get back on a PC. And some people don’t mind, that’s cool too.

[@George_C-e4v]

@@Liberkon Even my TV does that lmao

[@alrecks619]

not to mention you can play older games on PC, with some compatiblity caveats, ofc.

[@Juice_VI]

I have a 4070 Super R7700X system. I just prefer console. Maybe I’m just old and lazy but I do. PS5 Pro is a day one purchase for me.

[@bfhandsomeface409]

I have both also and will probably pick up the pro! Consoles are just so streamlined and simple!

[@VarjoPira]

You are a part of the problem.

[@yeahyousowhat7841]

Crack is real

[@Rapunzel879]

Well, you definitely don't like money or performance.

[@SansAppellation]

I had PS4 pro. I have ps5, switch, and a gaming PC, and a very nice TV. I suspect I am the target market, but this update makes no sense to me personally. (I actually find the UI a little annoying on the PS5, if I'm honest) Basically, I use the PS5 to play online games with friends when cross platform isn't supported, and some PS4 one player games. Yeah, it's nice to just sit on the sofa, but I will just put the price of the PS5 pro towards a GPU. I can also claim the GPU as a business expense. (Heck there is nothing stopping me connecting the PC to the TV, but yeah the PS5 is infinitely more portable for moving room to room) Oh and Sony just increased the price of their controllers. And let's face it as fabulous as the dual sense is, they don't build controllers like they used to But if they convince a very small fraction to purchase it (enough to break even) and it pushes some PS4 users to buy the base Ps5, then I guess Sony will be happy

[@ebojonson8064]

Allways a cracking video mate thanks

[@AlexHusTech]

*Good thing about PCs is that you can some of those items a lot cheaper, especially bundle deals*

[@RelyksJ]

but console can also resell games

[@AlexHusTech]

@@RelyksJ True, but can get a lot of free games on PC, some very good games.

[@arg_9584]

So glad I swichtrd to pc last year!

[@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd]

nobody cares pc clown

[@devyud5719]

Bro can you do a build which is RTX5 ready ? As in something without the GPU which is ready to be upgraded to RTX 5 when that’s available ?

[@cocobos]

I've just build a PC a month ago, R5 5600x with 7900xtx, still playing games with my PS5 a lot more 😅

[@procrastinates]

A bit of a nitpick, but the Ryzen 5 5500 is basically the same as the 3600, except newer, and $10 cheaper.

[@nickochioneantony9288]

Indeed, the architecture design of the 5000 gen Ryzen is the peak of Zen 3, even comparable to the Zen 4 when measured in cost ratio. However, the limitation of 6 core might be a downer when compared to the standard 8 core of console.... I can't run Space Marine 2 optimally because I'm cpu limited on my ryzen 5 5600.

[@Diegsn]

+ Black Friday is coming in two months + PCs are upgradable + Most solo games can be found cracked + A PC isn't restricted to gaming. It's also a professional tool + Your favorite console controller can be used on a PC

[@maynardburger]

RDNA4 GPU's are also coming fairly soon, probably within a couple months of PS5 Pro, give or take. And these will likely offer further improvements in value on the GPU front, and something more directly comparable to PS5 Pro.

[@George_C-e4v]

"most solo games can be found cracked" that´s a big lie there. Most of 2023 and 2024 best single player games have Denuvo and no crack because Empress doesn´t crack anymore. If you are cracking Indie games don´t even bother discussing about gaming, you are a roach

[@jagermeisterhots]

PCs are marginally upgradable. I think this is a very oversold talking point in the PC vs console debate. There are so many socket, PCIE lane, and DDR updates every few years. I think buying tech early on in any new generation of those types of technologies is bad value. Maturity in a socket, PCIE Lane, and DDR iteration allow hardware developers to get actual results from those infrastructures. Then by the time you build a PC with mature hardware, if you want to upgrade and actually get value out of those upgrades, you need a new motherboard, maybe a new PSU. This requirement of needing to upgrade multiple components at a time is especially common because Intel has the majority of the CPU market share (usually a socket change every 2 generations, constantly seeing power draw go up), and NVidia has the vast majority of the GPU marketshare (constantly seeing power draw go up).

[@mimimimeow]

@@maynardburger However it's likely the new GPU is just as expensive as the PS5 Pro.. I'm a PC guy but I wouldn't tell the average parent to build a PC just so their son can play spoderman. It might be funny but this is the truth. There are more birthday kids out there asking for a console each year than all of PC gaming combined.

[@riddle-exe]

bro u did not include the stand which you have to buy separately

[@Zvxers7]

Or you can just lay it on it's side?

[@louiienation8497]

My Gaming Laptop was the same price as a PS5 and has a 3070 with a i7 12th gen with DDR5. Out performs my PS5 like crazy

[@threeequalsd4865]

I doubt its $500 msrp. And most 3070 used laptops are around $700-800 right now. Stop lying.

[@louiienation8497]

@@threeequalsd4865 it’s called a Black Friday deal bub. Asus TUF F15 laptop. Look into it. Snatched it at Bestbuy from MSRP $1k to $599. It’s been almost 2 years now and going strong. I upgraded the ram and storage on it too cause I play a lot of games on it.

[@robertopazsoldan9641]

​@@threeequalsd4865 yeah cant be a 3070 maybe is a 3060 but with a 3060 you cant beat a ps5

[@IREWolfman]

For Pro 4070 Super or 7800xt. CPU 8700G or 5800x. (yes 3700x is said to be closer to a PS5 and 6700 for gpu) This is to cater for ram speeds gddr6 576Gb/s and forget price. Also even though its zen2 on PS5 Pro the cpu is custom.

[@zodwraith5745]

I will never not laugh at the console fanboys that claim you have to pour thousands of dollars into your PC to keep it updated while claiming consoles are more than powerful enough. But the second a "PRO" version of their favorite console is released they're falling all over themselves trying to buy one for that precious performance boost they could have had years earlier if they'd only gone PC in the first place. PC: The "Pro" model was always available.

[@JamerLino]

Why your focus is on the 4070 when you have the 3070ti being closer in term of performance (5%

[@xtremezone987]

This is probably why all consoles don't have fps counters built in so you never know if you're hitting 60 fps at any given time. They don't want you to know.

[@Mermete8]

Yes, it's not something they are proud of to show. They can't really hide it tho. One can enable the smart TV's FPS counter with a remote click or two. Maybe there's one in the google app store too for android TVs not coming with one preinstalled. I have an Xbox SX and when I switch back to the HDMI channel of my TCL it also briefly shows me the Hz of the running game

[@Wodagazowana5000]

Tvs have that option​@@Mermete8

[@shieldtablet942]

The AMD stock cooler is silent but the CPU overheats and performs worse. There are cheap options that will work better. At this point, all B450 boards will have newer BIOS, that is not an issue. My choice for the CPU would be the 5500, as in recent games will be faster than the 3600. (and $10 less). It has half the L3 but it is not split between the pair of 3 cores, as in Zen 2.