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[@ivanognjanovic2194]

They really should partner with a backpack manufacturer. Once this chair is also a frame for a pack, it's a different ball game.

[@rjstewart]

And the seat is a spare paddle for canoeing.

[@S.L.1211]

Yes. Licence this out to various pack manufacturers. It’s a selling feature for a pack that your backpack frame is also a chair and that would let these guys sell more units.

[@MattVHulst]

That’s what I thought this was when they first pulled it out

[@ddff5242]

Agreed, that's the only way this idea works.

[@philais]

i JUST HELPED THESE GUYS OUT AND BOUGHT TWO

[@jeepinpete4016]

The support piece looks like a shovel, and it SHOULD be one! I could see that being a valuable piece of kit for backcountry skiing and mountaineering especially in snow, because of the shovel.

[@plmn93]

Or an emergency canoe paddle.

[@chas4life]

Or a mini toboggan for downhill sections lol.

[@Temporalplace]

In a snow your chair is useless, it will sink in a snow

[@TweakRacer]

That chair looks like it would work great in the snow. - Said No One Ever

[@drewa3597]

no lol. it will break instantly

[@tetoaiti]

As a Pacific Islander who is 6’3”, 310lbs and who loves to backpack - I am only met with the option of a floor mat to sit in the backcountry. I truly hope this seat holds (heh) up to what they claim. I’d be extremely grateful.

[@fiveletters]

check out the walkstool. it doesn't have a back, but it's very compact and has versions of all sizes for bigger folks. i've had one for about a decade and it's never let me down.

[@tetoaiti]

@@fiveletters I’ll take anything over the ground mat. I appreciate you!

[@TheStaniG]

The angle of that chair doesnt look very comfortable ngl. The prototype they brought though.... looks good

[@pdblouin]

Can't you hang out in the resting squat? In this video the creators say "If you stop for a 10 minute water break"...we easily squat for 10 minutes. For longer sit sessions, a mat would be more comfortable than a hard chair, and you can also sleep on it.

[@pieman2656]

Mate I'm a poly 6'2, 368lbs I'm keen on touring Vietnam, Thailand, India and I am looking for a chair because the little plastic ones won't take my weight. Admittedly I would prefer to be a bit higher off the ground so would be prepared to have a longer chair as long as it didn't exceed the length dimensions for a bag on international travel.

[@OscarOverlanding]

Nice work! Most people have no concept of how hard it is to take a product from a napkin to production...and then to market. I am stoked for these guys! Awesome that you gave them a chance to demo their product on your channel as well! Thank you.

[@shortrunfilms6254]

Well said on both counts!

[@oggyoggy1299]

Why don’t you have any concept of how hard it is?

[@WillyKling]

@@oggyoggy1299 Depends on what you are making. I got a drone design done in 2 years, but that was my first serious project. Now I just have to get it on the market, which is a couple of mouse clicks away since it is a digital file for 3d printing. Just looking for the best platform. I suspect that once you have done it one time, it will be easier the next. Much of my time has gone towards learning the skills I need. You don't always get a brilliant idea in the field you are most familiar with.

[@bulldog1080p]

@@WillyKling spoken like someone who has no idea what they are talking about! lol having a design done and claiming it is "in production" cause you can 3d print it whenever you want is a wild response to someone taking about taking a real product to market.

[@WillyKling]

@@bulldog1080p Spoken like someone who has done nothing of importance. This design was never meant for commercial mass production and I did not claim it was in production, but the design process is exactly the same. It is safe to assume that you have no mechanical or design experience. Sorry but this product is not for you, it is a kit build that requires a minumum of IQ and practical sense to assemble. But it is also designed for injection molding and I am looking at some Iranian companies that are probably interested in this type of product ;)

[@Lastnightmatters]

Cut a hole in the seat, double as a crapper and I'm sold!!

[@scotbotvideos]

That would make a lot of sense. Otherwise it's just another crap product.

[@trevorf1838]

Just make a second seat option. Then charge me $350US...

[@bagelfart8985]

@@trevorf1838🤣

[@kmichaelp4508]

Brilliant 🤔

[@atrent3732]

Great mind

[@robynroamsoutdoors]

Label it as a Swiss Army Seat. Multi-function: Snow shovel or paddle, first aid splint, chair, backpack frame, a shield, a snow sled. A lot of possibilities. The price is steep, especially in this economy. There will have to a focus on a warranty that drives home the selling point for me. Price and weight will be the main factors. I agree with the folks about creating it with more holes and use mesh for comfort and knock the weight down a bit. A backpack tailored to fit it would be a great addition.

[@nigelhanson468]

The key word here is "Army". Surely the military would be an ideal customer of such a device. And they would be willing and able to pay the price too. Add in some of the other ideas being bandied around in the comments area and you've got a big market!

[@nickmontanaro9638]

Looking at the surface area of both peices, so you think it is feasible that despite the obvious difference in shape, both pieces could still function as a pair of snow shoes in an emergency situation?

[@robynroamsoutdoors]

@nickmontanaro9638 snow shoes? Probably not. I can a snow shovel and maybe a small snow sled but that's about it for snow.

[@pfmez587]

Market it like this for preppers, they would love it.

[@dcbchannel1619]

Adding to the list. Camp kitchen application as small table top, or surface to prep food. Wind break for stove. Cycling application as bike stand or platform to strap on more gear to a bike rack?. Going to the other end…any design adaptation to use as a toilet? Any way to design a cot frame with two or more?

[@adventurefuel5172]

He said exactly what I was thinking. It’s a space age Viking chair. I spent 8 years as a scoutmaster and a lot of weekends in an REI ultralight camp chair hiking. This is a game changer.

[@dudeinalaska]

Honeycomb the entire thing and you’ll cut out a ton of weight. The carbon fiber can take it. Sell it in tolerances like 175lbs, 200lbs, 250lbs, 300lbs, etc. Don’t make someone 150lbs carry a chair for someone 300lbs.

[@SiaD777]

This! 👆

[@katmessinadsr]

That's great feedback!!!

[@YoureSoVane]

Labor. That's extra machining time and a more complicated mold. The cost of the material isn't the mass so much as the complexity of the manufacturing. More complicated design with less material will usually cost more.

[@SiaD777]

@@YoureSoVane but the upside for those of us smaller is less weight to carry.

[@dudeinalaska]

It’s not extra machining. You can set up the mold once and program your cnc machine once and it’ll run on autopilot for whatever item you want to fabricate. I can also tell from the look of the chair that they are using way too many carbon fiber layers and a lot of finishing product causing a bit of the weight.

[@afarce]

The sticker shock is real. If they can get the weight down by even a half pound and make it part of a pack, it's more viable.

[@Itll_do_food_forest]

If they can get the price down by more than half!

[@thespec64]

@@Itll_do_food_forest This thing will sell massively if they can just lower the cost a couple hundred bucks.

[@plmn93]

They are right though, the cost isn't that bad when you consider that it should last a lifetime. Buy once, cry once.

[@SanJoseBob]

I would seriously consider 4 chairs for $1,000…..SanJoséBob

[@drewa3597]

@@SanJoseBob said no one ever

[@FlyFishDan]

I think the coolest part of this whole chair idea was the fact that they flew all the way out to get Dan’s opinion on it - on a product that’s never been seen before by anyone on the planet. Respect - love it. Creator economy ACTIVATE ;))

[@idhatemet00]

did not expect the fly fish dan - dan becker crossover, but i'm here for it lol

[@canadianehbignorth7325]

That product by that company may have never been seen before... but the design is old a rusty nails.

[@strongbear9304]

@@FlyFishDan Well, the concept for carbon fiber application may be new, but my people (American Indians) have been using this design for a long time using 2” X 12” wood planks for the chair material. Also if you attend the “National Mountain Man Rendezvous” in Friendship,Indiana you will see them everywhere. I have, back dating back to 1973 when it first started. That’s 51 years ago and they were already being used by those folks back then.

[@slackleashdogtraining3598]

These two gents are in my mind emblematic of a region that has great ideas, and is an epicenter of outdoor culture, and OG backpacking culture. I wait in great anticipation of what all they might do.

[@1fitchy]

It’s a carbon fibre Viking chair. They’ve been around for thousands of years. 😂😂😂

[@kelbysappington]

So many backpack “innovations” are simply just tweaks on what’s already available. But this truly is completely different from anything out there. I love how they took the simplicity of an ancient design and made it modern. It’s absolutely brilliant. Although it’s not something I’d be ready to invest in myself (I’m still somewhat young, so a small pad as a seat will suit me fine for now), if they can figure out how to shave some weight off and turn it into a multipurpose item (i.e. a backpack frame as they said, and maybe turn the seat portion into a shovel), I could see this flying off the shelves. It’s been fun watching Dan Durston’s progress over the years as he takes input from his customers. If these guys are as willing to listen to input from everyone around them, it’ll be fun to see what this product will turn into!

[@donosborne9398]

The ONLY thing that concerns me is that it is so low to the ground. If it sat higher and didn't lean back too much, it would be more ergonomic for older people.😊

[@donaldpang]

It has to be a Lifetime Guarantee no question asked and no receipt required to justify the price.

[@ELEVOPR]

Till they go out of business 🤣🤣

[@Derzull2468]

Yeah, it should be free and they should deliver to the middle of nowhere where I'm hiking by helicopter.

[@jakeharms1386]

I mean there’s literally no way for it to deteriorate unless you physically do something to it. It’ll be around in 500 years.

[@Raudiaudi]

​@@jakeharms1386 Carbon fiber doesn't last 500 years . Will be brittle as cardboard in 100 .

[@jakeharms1386]

@@Raudiaudi depends on the resin

[@rombeek79]

It's a shovel, it's a back-up paddle, it's a backpack frame, buy the bicycle panier version, use as a shield from hail and bear paw claws, prevent grounding from lightning strikes. Gorgeous, just wish I would EVER be able to afford one. I've had one of the cheapest knock-off versions of the other chairs going on 12 years with no issues. Yes you could leave this in your will to your grandkids but.... Also, clip on cup holder, phone holder, easy way to connect to the outside of a pack.

[@focalratio456]

As a fellow product developer, it’s good to know there are several levels of market value to position yourself in and it’s ok to not have cheapest price! There are millions of affluent people who WANT products that match their anticipated value!

[@jasonhuskie988]

It’s true, but you need to understand your market segment when designing the product and of course when marketing. At a higher price point the consumer expects a lot of other “plus” features that further eat your profit potential. They expect a comprehensive warranty, color/style options/customization, superior customer service, etc. It’s not as simple as offering a high end product to the marketplace and capturing the segment with expendable income. Think of it as mass market products are mouse traps that are inexpensive, proven, and catch almost any mouse with a generic piece of cheese. The luxury version is a high end trap designed to catch one specific mouse named Stephen David Mauser with very finicky tastes and a paranoid personality. Wealthy consumers don’t just spend more on items because they can. It has to improve their quality of life enough to offset the idea of parting with their precious money. They are wealthy because they are good at making money and VERY good at not spending any unnecessary money. Understand your prey and not just your product design. Too many build something and then figure out how to sell it for a profit later. Note: I have a background in marketing, psychology, business development, and software. Clients get overwhelmed at what goes into market analysis for new products all the time. Contact me if you want to brainstorm for free sometime.

[@michaelgiovanniello3230]

This thing is sick. I'd def buy one. Love the ingenuity and an American company.

[@ziwer1]

2 seconds into this video and the Chinese already have tons of these on Ali Express & Temu.

[@JustJ001]

As an engineer myself, I think the simpler the better. As long as it gets the job done and it holds up just keep it as simple as humanly possible. I think these guys are on to a really good idea, and if they can find a way to integrate that as a backpack support frame as well then they've got a fantastic product on their hands.

[@bearwynn]

I agree but unfortunately when dealing with sticker shock the consumer would generally want more features. I think if it was a backpack frame too then people would be fine with a price that high. They could maybe look at making it into an external frame

[@strongbear9304]

@@JustJ001The “KISS PRINCIPLE” comes to mind. We used that acronym extensively in the Military “Keep It Simple, Stupid”.

[@dustinweeks7245]

$400 for a midget chair? GTFOH.

[@mkeller8114]

But at 3-400$ it’s going to be a tough sell. Although some of these people on you tube sure like to spend every dollar they make on gear just to have the latest and greatest. ( like some of these Luxury tent campers) Got 10K in a tent and gear.

[@JustJ001]

@@mkeller8114 I think this chair is going to be one of those "buy once cry once" items.

[@davelariviere682]

I think they should pair with a Adventure Motorcycle Luggage Rack company and integrate them into the back side of the pannier bag carrier that is mounted to the bike👍🏻 Very cool product.

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

That is a sweet idea.

[@kyleo1236]

This is a better idea than selling them as a backpacking seat.

[@user-sd9kz6sr9l]

Then we would buy a pair

[@rustyevolution6298]

I do long distance ADV trips. Last year one trip took me 8 months and 20,000 kilometers (12000 miles). The parts of this chair are way too big to convenently fit on a motorcycle, Much taller than typical panniers and too long to fit sideways on the tail rack in a manner I would find useful. I like the concept but these are more suited to being kept in a car or truck than on a motorcycle.

[@colefischer7590]

@@rustyevolution6298 Agreed.. from Bikepacking, Moto camping, and backpacking, I really see this as a car/truck item rather than on two wheels. Backpacking and using it as a frame makes the most sense.

[@pentacleman1000]

I don’t backpack much any more, but I do take a daily walk. Usually I can find a park bench or bus bench to sit down if I need to or want to. But I recently made a collapsible stool to take with me to open up wherever I want. I don’t know what they call the design I’ve used. I saw a couple KZbin woodworkers make one. Woodworking for Mere Mortals has a nice PDF. I made several modifications to mine to make it even better. I’d like to make one out of something lighter than wood, but the one I have is pretty good for just walking around town. It puts me 15 inches off the ground. But it doesn’t have a back. If I put it close to a wall or tree, I have a back. But a real back would be nice. I have one of those chairs that takes minutes to assemble, but, you are correct, assembly is a real inhibitor for quick breaks. The collapsible stool that I made fits into my small everyday backpack. Snaps open, snaps closed, easy. This “Viking” design would not fit into that backpack. Overall, the whole “Viking” design seems slightly impractical. It’s two very long pieces, which, in the end, don’t give you much of a chair. It does give you a back, which is nice. But it puts you much lower to the ground than my stool, or those other assembly chairs. That, to me, is an issue. I wish you had measured just how close to the ground you are in that chair. It looked hard to get into and out of. Especially for old people.The back also seemed to be at a much more reclined angle than you would be in an assembled chair. Nice for relaxing, but maybe not so good for socializing around the campfire. People talk about making it be the frame of a large backpack. I would want to know the details how that would work. How it would hold the heavy contents of a backpack, be comfortable against you back for a day of walking, and be easily detached from that pack for quick breaks. Because of my interest in having something to take with me inside my everyday backpack, I was hoping there could be a way to have the very long pieces fold to half their length in storage and unfold into the two long pieces. But that would probably either be impossible, or add too much bulk, weight and cost. I’m working on my own chair design that will hopefully fit into my everyday backpack, put me about 15 inches off the ground, like the collapsible stool I’ve been using, and… have a back. I’ll only be able to make it out of wood for now, so I will not be super lightweight. But if it works, maybe I’ll attempt to make it out of aluminum. And if that works… maybe carbon fiber!

[@wout123100]

it is a tad low yes.

[@dwebb68]

I’m a complete gear snob and the price doesn’t bother me. Many good ideas here in the comments so I would listen to them. Emergency paddle, shovel, backpack frame support, etc… Can’t wait to see how this design evolves!

[@Acorn12g]

There are so many ways to add utility and function to this. Great start. Excited to see where it goes.

[@robmulally]

My thoughts too looks like a shovel to me and a great way to keep bag dry when putting it down

[@njmstudios]

Yeah, the seat part looks like a shovel to me or even an emergency paddle for a raft

[@tssharley5567]

Once this chair is also the frame of a backpack it will be the greatest chair on earth!

[@tssharley5567]

This would effectively reduce the cost and weight of the chair as you remove the cost and weight associated with a frame

[@perkjellqvist2329]

If it were to be the frame of the backpack as well you could only use it when setting up camp, i.e. unpacking the backpack. That would remove the two mentioned advantages of 1) only taking 2 seconds to assemble, and 2) being quick enough to use even when taking a quick break while hiking.

[@Temporalplace]

@@perkjellqvist2329 Evén 10 seconds would be still advantage over other chairs.

[@perkjellqvist2329]

@@Temporalplace Agreed, if it would just take 10 seconds to remove the frame from the backpack.

[@1fitchy]

😂😂😂😂 will it though!! You wouldn’t be able to sit on it for more than ten minutes before it became very uncomfortable.

[@CD-uu1tb]

I love this chair! It looks great. Really excited to put in a preorder for it. So cool to see American companies innovating and building creative products.

[@MV-ux7wz]

Wow, that chair is The BOMB! I want one! Great presentation video from them, and great q&a discussion from you as usual Dan, you always seem to ask all the right questions. I think you are up there with Stern on the interviews, without the pervy craziness of course lol. Great Job Dan! And great job from the guys who developed the ROVA. It will be on my wish list!

[@hankakah4180]

The fact that you could stack 100's of these is a +. Their durability and longevity is key. I've seen many of those other chairs break many times. This hasn't all those moving parts. I would buy this.

[@aintchorrollmodel182]

for $350.00?

[@peterg6953]

@@aintchorrollmodel182 yeah 350 is pushing it

[@kupua]

I’d love to support this ,but their arrogance is over the top. Graphite doesn’t cost that much… At their price point I can wait for the Chinese knockoff.

[@hankakah4180]

@@phyju That was before I found out the cost. I stopped watching after about half way.

[@fun0537]

@@kupua you're part of the problem.

[@kimkeam2094]

When they are on the market and the volume is kicking in, with prices becoming competitive I’m in! They would be sensational also for campers and you could even make them slightly bigger for that market. Well done!

[@matokuwapi]

Being in my 70's, my backpacking days are over. DAMN! I'd get this chair for sure.

[@markstone6263]

not sure why the algorithm recommended this video, i have no need for a camping chair but now i am thinking of reasons to buy one

[@lugaretzia]

Likewise. Considering taking up a sport that requires one. Does watching my kids on the trampoline count?

[@TheKiro5505]

I saw it and was thinking "bog chair,bog chair, carbon fiber BOG CHAIR!" I wish I could afford one, and as a larger guy (290 lbs) it makes me smile seeing a chair that isn't "200 lbs limit"

[@demolitionbmxd]

Excellent idea, as a backpacker and overlander I see thenuse purpose for it. Would be easy to store in our 4x4 and take up little space. As a backpacking item, as soon as it can be integrated as a frame it's perfect. As someone else mentioned, they should be looking at military. A heavy duty backpack to suit this with the seat as the frame work is perfect for that application.

[@luckdrivenluu6429]

this thing is soo cool, and some of the comments are really helpful at giving good advise. Like making it also into a shovel would be super sick

[@peterwhitcomb8315]

Dan challenges the community. The community responds. Thank you Dan ❤

[@Papadoc1000]

Their challenge fell short and while it's a good concept, the execution has largely failed if you read the comments. Several points of failure not mentioned include 1] multifunction being worked on, not ready. 2] not getting in front of the price objection. Their faces when Dan guessed less than half price. There were ways to handle that before it came up. Own your problems before they humiliate you. 3] not mentioned at all is the security aspect. No way I'm putting a $400 novelty piece of highly portable equipment out where it can easily be stolen. You can't put it in your bag or camouflage it. It just sits out there and invites theft.

[@peterwhitcomb8315]

@@Papadoc1000 It was a prototype. There are always problems. More importantly they acknowledged there were improvements to be made. Usually you only see the final draft because of comments like these. But because Dan, and his community understand this, he is rewarded with "sneak peaks."

[@mep4488]

As a senior, I see its benefits because we need to sit from time to time while we are out and about and it’s light weight and we could hook up a strap so we could carry it cross body. However, I think the biggest drawback for us would be how low it sits. If you could make it a little higher, I’d buy it! Could you create two different sizes? The baby boomer generation is a large part of our population and needs light weight products that help them to be more active. It is very creative and an amazing chair! I wish you much success with it!

[@Temporalplace]

The higher it sits the more weight it will have.

[@MrDravous]

maybe they could cut additional slots in it. you could sit low and have more back or sit high and have less.

[@prst99]

@@Temporalplacethe weight gain is worth the higher ground clearance. Older people need the height to sit and stand up.

[@Temporalplace]

@@prst99 Then buy any camping chair for 40$, weight is already the same.

[@phattygoodness7347]

​@Temporalplace But not the convenience of a quick and easy set-up, right?

[@andrewvautour1795]

My dad had a Viking chair but it was this big cumbersome wooden beast that he loaded on the tent trailer every time we went camping. I LOVED that chair, my brother and I fought over it my dad's butt was not planted in it. It was much more comfortable than those old folding lawn chairs! I am no 65 years old and my dad is long passed and I gave up hiking and backpacking years ago but I still love camping and still sleep in a tent, on a pad, would not give it up for anything. I have to say, even and the price that was mentioned, I would probably pick one up. Easy to store, easy to setup and IF they decide to partner with a company that produces packs and designed this to fit easily into one as part of the internal frame, I think that would be a game changer! But even on it's own, I would get one. I would hope that they come out with a "less" premium version, one made of a tough nylon infused plastic or some other polymer, even if the weight limit was only 300 pounds, that would be more than adequate for a lot of people. Yep, good product, I think you have a winner here!

[@hightidesunshine1]

The seat looks like a great little snow shovel and emergency paddle too. Definitely use this as a backpack frame.

[@Nickhyde9000]

Excellent adaptation of an ancient functional necessity inherited from our ancestors. As a lifelong fisherman, this is the perfect chair I have seen in my dreams !

[@utubetjc]

Love this concept. I'm too old for backpacking but would like to see a "comfort height" version.

[@bzmommy10]

Yes!

[@stevenclarke2592]

@utubetjc if you are not having to carry it far make one out of wood. It is a easy design.

[@mooseliver1772]

I would buy one IF it was higher off the ground. Old knees have a harder time getting up and down.

[@erebostd]

Because the „concept“ is a „viking chair“ from centuries ago. They made it out of carbon instead of wood, but the concept itself is nothing new…

[@justinw1765]

If you don't backpack, you don't need/want this in any version. The whole point is to cut down on weight as much as possible. If you're just at home or car camping, you can bring the most comfortable, heavier chair, because the weight doesn't matter nearly as much. No way would I spend 300 dollars plus for even a taller version, even for backpacking, as it's both heavier and less comfortable than a chair that uses a fabric to sit on.

[@marimba628]

I like it. My very first reaction was it’s really small compared to the others … but I realized it needs to be to keep it both portable and convenient. And then I listened to the features: quick setup (2 seconds), ember-proof, waterproof, durable, stable, simple design, supports heavy weight, use at a variety of events. To me, it has a Scandinavian aesthetic, so it’d be great to someday see this in a variety of colors, and maybe different sizes. This should also appeal to people who like minimalism

[@Anonymous-jm3mg]

Yes, chair, backpack frame, stainless steel shovel and rake attachments, and whatever you can put into one do it all package. Nice.

[@Robgreybush]

Sticker shock for sure. Cool concept. Wish these dudes the best. Hopefully they can get the price down

[@southerntesla]

Same thoughts.

[@brokenmedic9133]

The seat needs to be a shovel. If you backpack, you want each piece of kit to do as much as possible. This is awesome.

[@justinw1765]

You would need to inlay either a 7075 Al alloy or steel edge to make it into a viable shovel. Carbon fibers biggest weakness is it's brittleness. It doesn't handle being struck against hard and/or sharp things well at all. Which is why a bike with a carbon frame really doesn't do well with accidents compared to steel, Al, Ti, magnesium alloy, etc bikes. You might get a little dent in the latter, but with carbon fiber, you'll get crushed and/or splintered parts. Carbon fibers's strength is its high tensile and stiffness strength for the weight. That (especially the latter), is what it does well. It really is not the best material for a shovel, unless it is only part of the core of the composite, and tougher materials are on the outside. A composite of say carbon fiber core, S2 glass or basalt cloth, with an 7075 Al or steel edge, would work much, much better than a pure C.F. + epoxy composite.

[@acethug7144]

How bout a seat / shovel / .... spare paddle !?

[@alexf7377]

Indeed. In fact it needs to be a Swiss army knife of chairs to justify the price tag.

[@Vanadium]

@@justinw1765 and still, carbon is way better to repair then every material you mentioned above but the metal plate is a must for a shovel for sure.

[@thisisabsolutelystup]

​@@justinw1765 yeah saying make it a shovel has never worked with CF before. CF loves nice evenly applied load, it'll take that forever. Dynamic load, specially localised to bits of the structure... less good

[@cameronmoore136]

Truly a great idea. Especially the bends on the end to prevent them from sinking.

[@theycallmenemo]

I envision this chair as something I could store in the trunk of my car, always having a chair handy for kids' games, going to the lake, or relaxing at the park. Weight wouldn't matter in this case, and neither would its physical structure. I could easily fit 4 of them in my trunk, taking up minimal space. Additionally, using the same mold with a more cost-effective material would help bring the cost down and alleviate the sticker shock. While this would be an amazing backpacking chair, it could also appeal to a broader audience in a different market.

[@jeffersonallen652]

GREAT video - glad you invited the guys out - would love to see more prototype videos - very cool

[@LJ.613]

Paying 3x the price of a chair zero for a heavier chair that looks WAY less comfortable is a no go for me, but glad to see a new take on the camping chair

[@paulnoles]

Looks harder to pack and the benefit of setting up during a water break does not justify all the downsides.

[@Benlucky13]

Especially when the weight of a chair zero plus a small foam pad for water breaks is cheaper and lighter than this

[@CosmicSeeker69]

someone not taken in by the hype...IT'S NOT RELAXING BOYS - Wouldn't have it as a gift

[@StuninRub]

The Chinese can make this for 70 dollars and it will be stronger and ligther. Carbon fiber is dirt cheap nowadays.

[@scottsilverman165]

My thoughts exactly

[@passiveincomeadventures]

We have some heavy wooden versions of this chair, so comfortable, and so fast to set up and tear down! Brilliant take on an old favorite

[@Mark-pk1fm]

Great to see something completely different on the gear market albeit a very old chair design bought right up to date 👍🏼

[@lhoward62]

This is exactly what I've been using for years, but mine is made from 2x12's. I DO NOT carry it backpacking, but for sitting around camp and relaxing, this type of chair is very comfortable.

[@jimi3314]

Can definitely see the arcteryx crowd loving this thing.

[@radiorahim861]

So I haven't signed into my account and I'm glad. I found this video and this gem of a chair. Looking forward to this product!!!

[@pluto1730]

Not a backpacker but I love it! Great idea, seem like great people behind it who care and understand the price and I have to agree I think the price is justified. Would love to see other cheaper options in the future. Could be great for companies to get in bulk for event centers etc… there’s a ton of potential and I wish them wisdom in this process :)

[@shanemaddison9407]

Old design, new materials. Awesome.

[@TheRivieraRambler]

yup, I recognized the african palaver chair right away.

[@iTrove]

Two things come to mind are: 1) Model it to attach to the latest fad of Electric bikes for breaks maybe with a little table for lunch or picnic. 2) older folks like me have issues getting up or down when so close to the ground, maybe there could be taller seat somehow or a way to attach to elevate it on a milk crate or something? You likely have something there! Good luck!

[@Derzull2468]

The taller the pieces, the more stress on the structure.

[@gustymaat7011]

Like the electric bike idea

[@TalonVI]

I had the same backpack frame thought. My thoughts went to my Eberlestock packs because I bet this would slide right into the built in rifle scabbard and add rigidity to the pack that it lacks when not actually carrying a rifle. That said, those packs are pretty heavy as is so the pack and chair itself would bring you to around 12lbs...

[@noveltynation8759]

I hike every weekend (literally) but watching your videos makes me want to hike even more. Such a positive channel and one of my first introductions when I started hiking a year ago. Wan Becker 😂

[@carolynhelm1392]

Its super nice to see such innovative thinking. These guys will figure out how to over come some of the price and carrying issues.

[@nenadnedovic9246]

That seat I see also as a spine splint incase of a spine injury. Great idea.

[@lifeinabox1]

Love this. Will last forever - much better investment than other high ends in that regard.

[@nynjafox5973]

Love this! Reminds me of the carved Chief's Chairs when I lived in Malawi.

[@Sharon-we5cd]

That’s a great looking chair. If it was a bit cheaper, I’d buy that. The idea of making it part of a backpack is a good one. That’s brilliant.

[@mixflip]

I like it. My concern would be sitting on rocks. Would the rocks eventually cause the carbon fiber to wear down and crack? I would cover mine in travel sticker btw.... Please send me one for review!!!!

[@gc6391]

Just have an “extras pack” that includes rubber feet.

[@greatgecks2256]

No, you can’t put this everywhere. The advantage of the other chairs is that you can position it over certain things so you can position it over a rock or you can move it around because you have the legs to do so. The other chairs you can have on a slight angle and still be comfortable this unfortunately is not meant for true backpacking or canoe camping or for the person that would be spending $400 on chair , this is like the Tesla truck looks good in theory, but practically unuseable

[@jonm9501]

​@@gc6391 An extra's pack on a 300-400 dollar chair 😂

[@jakerio8]

doubles as a weapon and shield, a shovel and sled, and if can extend then lock- a mini stretcher for two hikers to carry stuff together, or one can pull through snow, and with an optional accessory to attach two wheels- a handtruck

[@Christofear-]

I made a chair almost exactly like this in high school in the 90s, but made of wood with a cloth backing and it still works great. That being said, you can easily get away with much cheaper material to save on costs.

[@ulbushcrafting6592]

We buscrafters have been making this for YEARS in the woods. Good to see communities coming together.

[@Lalaafastroli]

as a fellow bushcrafter, i have never took a hiking chair in the backwoods but have made plenty of makeshift chairs out of old logs myself. would love to try something like this! take care and stay safe!

[@KylerTony45]

NOT out of carbon fiber

[@ulbushcrafting6592]

@@KylerTony45 🤣👍

[@ulbushcrafting6592]

Already contacted a custom backpacker to incorporate it into an external frame backpack. This can also be a shovel, and table. So now you have a multiple use item, at 2 pounds. Then it makes it worth the weight and price. I need to be in RND for a company. Instead of a mechanic 🤣

[@Temporalplace]

@@KylerTony45 Why would you use carbon fiber for a chair that you leave in the woods afterwrds 🤣

[@S.L.1211]

This is super cool. I love the innovation and the completely novel approach to the design over existing chairs and the quick set up time. I expect the price will come down as they eventually scale over time. I won’t be an early adopter but it’s neat. Thermoplastics would be an interesting way to explore maybe get cost/weight down. Perhaps latch points built into the design to attach it to packs in various ways? Maybe that’s not needed though Or form a partnership and licence these to a backpack manufacturer. You guys make the frame and supply it to them. Imagine a backpack manufacturer being able to market their frame doubles as a chair! This would allow them to sell more units without the capitol intensive job of starting their own backpack company.

[@billinhouston3291]

That's pretty great. A comfortable chair is so enjoyable.

[@backontwowheels9469]

I don’t back pack but I ride a motorbike and I think this could work as a quick set up, could strap nicely to your luggage or even create a solid base, like a rack extension giving extra support to your luggage.

[@truepaulesko]

The fact that one oart of the chair can be the grame of a backpack and the other one a shovel for snow is mindblowing to me.

[@shanedbunting]

I saw an Oar for a raft as well.

[@timoechsner1428]

I was thinking the same.

[@kevdun]

Skeletonize it to reduce weight and design an ultralight pack around it using it as a frame sheet.

[@PatrickKniesler]

The nature of carbon fiber construction makes skeletonizing the seat portion less of an option, internally rigid structure with low weight infill is probably where the strength comes from.

[@Johnnymailman]

@@PatrickKniesler, how about the back rest portion. small slits or holes for breathability?

[@PatrickKniesler]

@@Johnnymailman from what I know that's a possibility, but larger holes are not.

[@thomaskavanagh549]

We made chairs on this principle for my scout troup 20 years ago ! , hockey sticks for the edges and nylon for the centre....

[@janetshaffer423]

I was wishing it would be 150! Many people have that same style but made in wood. Good for base camp in wood. Yours is much better for hiking.

[@thebikepackingadventurer]

Very simple and effective. As a bike packer, it wouldn’t work as too bulky to store on the bike, but if that got incorporated in to a high end frame for a backpack. I would 100% but it for hiking trips. I love ingenuity and change and this is that. Cost is subjective as they said. It should last a lifetime. No helinox chair will ever last a lifetime

[@karlykhanov]

The first thing that came to my mind when I saw this - What a nice way to utilize avalanche shovel. Like it very much

[@jamiejfowler]

If they can make a slightly cheaper version made from plastic or something, I'd definitely get one for winter backcountry when it could double as my shovel. Weight is not as big an issue when pulling a sled. Looks awesome, i think it will be a hit. Good luck guys!

[@gkslash]

This will catch on for sure. I personally would buy an XL version as well if they get that far. Hope they get it to market fast enough to beat out the copycats.

[@joaquimrasi6822]

Viking chair + fast forward to 2024 technology 🎉 Greetings from Norway

[@stigcc]

Haha was a little proud too🇳🇴

[@gregsanderson2470]

We're heading your way in the fall. Then Iceland.

[@kennethheelas8392]

I truly believe I would and could buy one of these chairs right now,I love it .

[@Death_Saved]

Might be useful as a snow shovel/paddle/tabogan also when put together if they include a tough fabric cover (Dyneema?) you can use it as a mini sled to pull behind you for things like firewood or extra supplies, if they market it like that it might make the sticker shock less of an issue.

[@just..someone]

Damn, that ad read at the end was snappy and straight to the point! I’d love to see that more. All you need to know in a few secs

[@MsShaneyg]

I'm super impressed. It's a lifetime chair. I love it.

[@Joe-fi4hv]

I have an Alite Butterfly and I noticed something on my last trip. Because the Butterfly doesn’t self support, I had an unconscious tendency to stand while doing random tasks instead of sitting to do them. Sitting required an intentional effort to get into the chair. After about an hour standing around camp I thought, damn I’m tired. Very similar psychology in not sitting for midday breaks. A frameless pack with a sleeve for this chair would be a perfect combo. Cut some weight and cost and I’m in.

[@ryan92084]

agreed, but also get yourself the crossbar and turn that butterfly into a mayfly

[@onetwentyish]

I didn't know I needed this but now I really want one the doubles as a backpack frame for a backpack I don't have yet either... lol

[@OldGoatintheWoods]

WOW! 2-second setup?! I've seen Scoutmasters use Viking chairs before & had Scouts make some too, but they weighed well over 2 lbs. Dudes turning an old idea into something new! Very impressive!

[@coreyswann8735]

Whew...Dan that's steep man. I bought the Helinox chair zero (high back) after watching your review and I took that up Mount Elbert with me with a full Kelty Redwing 50 pack (my absolute favorite travel pack for going anywhere). I'm not worried so much about weight nor am I worried about cost, but $400-$500 for a chair is far too steep. I get it, it's CF, it's super fast and easy to set up, and had I had that chair I probably would have used it more than my Helinox on that climb, but that slightly extra bit of inconvenience for the 1 minute of pull out and set up time for the Helinox vs the less than 30 seconds doesn't justify the sharp difference in price.

[@kennethalbert4653]

They said $3-400 ! The durability may make it cost effective.

[@owenjahn]

It's honestly game over once they integrate with a backpack frame

[@1fitchy]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sure it is. 🤣🤣🤣

[@peuruaisheiche]

Wow I love it!

[@FloridaDIYer]

Great innovative design. I wish them much success with it.

[@relaxingstudyandfocusmusic8628]

This is awesome. My issue with the Helinox is that it is still cloth that can catch an ember. I am a bigger gut (300 lbs. 6'7) and none of the light weigh back packing chairs hold me. If they could have color options that would be huge. Once they have it as a pack frame..... take my money!

[@lakorai2]

Chair zero L will work for your weught

[@terwonick]

Is that seat also a canoe paddle? Could it pull double duty for canoe campers?

[@vango20]

Emergency canoe paddle….

[@marthagarcia5620]

@@vango20 Absolutely. I thought the same thing.

[@patina_turner6791]

I was looking for this comment, I thought the same

[@terwonick]

Or doubles as a snow shovel for winter camping.

[@onefatfrog2]

As someone who's in the market for a new chair precisely because my REI brand "Helinox-style" chair broke after 5 years (with multiple burn holes from campfire sparks), the justification that it will last forever so the price is reasonable actually resonates with me. But still, it's tough to spend more on my chair than I spent on my pack. Also I didn't really get the complaint that the shape of the chair is a negative. I actually think it would be good because it can serve as a wall between my gear and my back, and theoretically prevent something like my stove digging into my back all day.

[@ladillalegos]

That’s very cool guys!! Congrats!!

[@wynter-wainuigross3995]

Carpenters have been making on site chairs like this forever!!! What a great move for them

[@flomax_actual]

Awesome Chair... They are going to need to incorporate a bottle opener and lighten it up a bit to justify the price though.

[@juansarmiento3857]

A bottle opener is gimmicky. Ain't no way I'm hauling glass on a backpacking trip.

[@JacobGoulden]

Bottle opener mentioned in same sentence as carbon fiber lol

[@urbanoutdoorsman]

I agree! No outdoor gear is complete without a bottle opener and a cork screw!

[@flomax_actual]

The gear we select should be multiple purpose. I would take chair car camping, to the beach, sporting / music events and kids rec games. All sorts of accessories could be builtin or removable/ reconfigurable to meet mission specs.

[@valdemarjrgensen8128]

​@@flomax_actual I really doubt the audience they are targeting with this are hiking with glass bottles. Sure it's nice when gear is multifunctional, but it's kinda important the function is even a desired one. Having the chair act as a frame in a pack, that's function that make sense. Randomly adding a feature most don't want, that only adds overall weight, is not a good idea. There's no way they are going to build in a reconfigurable bottle opener that's going to weigh less than just carrying a bottle opener separately. Not to mention your pack and plain old surroundings are probably filled with things you can open a bottle with.

[@marcusaurelius8605]

This is awesome 🤯

[@pnwusa]

great share! i just happened across this video tonight as i did when you challenged chair manufacturers in one of your past videos. i don't care for "any" of the folding chairs that were seen and compared to it. none. i prefer a pad, log, rock, dirt than any chair i have seen on the market in my lifetime. i especially liked the ease of removing it from your backpack, both pieces were magnetized together, setting it up and its durability. yeah! it's expensive. yes! it would be a huge investment for me. it looks like a worthy investment. hopefully it will be my first and last backpacking chair. i am good with that. my only concern is that it looks soooo... low to the ground. how easy or difficult is it to sit down and get back up. also it would be brilliant if it had multiple uses. the seat reminded me of a shovel. the back a prep table. just saying. hoping the best of success to rova outdoor chair. continued blessings.🕊

[@DanDanalog]

Love it, I’ve always wanted an ultralight Viking chair. Way more comfortable than any bucket seat 🏆

[@bradmyst1339]

Heads up, the name Viking chair is not Viking historical. We haven’t found chairs like that in Norway or other Viking areas, but it has been found in the past.

[@DanDanalog]

I knew them as bog chairs, super easy to make out of scaffold boards

[@stigcc]

@@bradmyst1339Bummer, as a norwegian I was exited by the invention😊

[@bradmyst1339]

@@stigcc plenty of other reasons to enjoy this chair and plenty other great things from Norway

[@reginapetty2042]

Very cool idea. I’m interested. Market fit will be tricky as the product is now. This is missing both the ultralight and budget market. If you can engineer in some other use cases, that would help. Cutouts across the seatback might appeal to those looking for ventilation and gear attachment points. Maybe a cutout for a bottle opener just for funsies.

[@rushodai929]

Really cool. Hope it does make it to the marketplace.

[@TimberTrainer]

I like the cradle (grandpa) toss for high shots from the ground, and the finger weave for shorter throws and in the canopy. Overshooting the tie-in and working it in is easier than getting a perfect throw.

[@contentofcharacter]

Just preordered one! Should be perfect for motocamping.