Why Ultralight Backpacking Doesn't Make Sense (For Most People)

In this video I discuss ultralight backpacking, ultralight gear, and lightweight gear and why I believe it doesn't make sense for the average weekend warrior.
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[@KevinFryAdventures]

Nice video & I agree with you. I try to keep a lighter load, but don't obsess over it. I am not a miles junkie, I enjoy views & love camp. Well said Dan.

[@DanBecker]

Thanks a ton Kevin! You guys should all check out Kevin‘s channel! It’s awesome!

[@noneya6334]

@@DanBecker - Legit video, Legit info

[@bande0219]

@A Lol. There is NO WAY you are seeing what folks going at a slower rate are seeing. A moped and a Corvette driving down the same road. One doing 15mph, one doing 80mph. They are each doing their own thing. Two very different takeaways. Your last sentence. "carry the same gear". Only, you are not. wow. To each their own. But, you comment is not reality.

[@bande0219]

@A Bruh, I have been backpacking for just over three decades. I have had numerous encounters, in camp, with UL folk. Good people. Completely different takeaways from the backcountry experience. I am not talking out of turn here. This focus on mileage. Mileage. Mileage. More mileage. (Smh) Even you. Your main response was mileage. Congratulations. Your feet have stepped approximately in the same location as mine. But, my brain engaged for a moment while yours was saying "mileage". Weight absolutely sucks. When I was a boy my friend and I nearly permanently harmed ourselves from over-packing. The opposite extreme could have the same result. I can not tell you how many times I have been in camp and a UL'er comes beeboppin in, in want of something. It is nearly always a "traditional" packer that has the item(s). (My last trip? A UL'er got into camp without FOOD. No food at all. WTF?) Otherwise, the UL'er plan is to ride out the issue until the next supply meetup. Over the years, some of the "issues" they walk out of camp with left me in awe. Then, there is the hygiene issue. Should we even get into detail here? I mean, have you read the reports related to the AT? You have been there. You must know. Granted, anyone is capable of this error. Though, most "traditional" folk are making a (lack of knowledge) mistake in sanitation. In my experience? With UL folk it is part of the plan. On at least a couple occasions, i have witnessed a UL'er explain that they are "looking forward" to their friend re-supplying them. Because, they had no socks or underwear (because, TP). They left in the morning with no socks on their feet. I mean, you were (are) a medic. Were you trained this way?? In discussion with UL'ers, this was just "life". Forget hand washing. Soap=weight. Wipes=weight. Trash=weight. Bottom line: Someone who covers 5 miles/day and stops for a period of time at any point of interest must be taking more in than someone who either does not stop or briefly pauses in order to nail that 20mile/day mark. You hike 15hrs/day? Lol. This is just humorous. What are seeing at night with your headlamp? Were you trying to have a serious counterpoint? C'mon, man. Carry the same gear? For real? You think the additional weight of "traditional" hiker is only related to the necessities? Get real. Not meaning disrespect here. But, folks are learning from sites such as this. Point/counter-point is good discussion.

[@bande0219]

@A I think you need to slow down in more aspects of life. You actually go back on your own words throughout your response. Probably due to writing faster than your brain is processing. After this response, I promise you, that you are missing some of the best parts of the backcountry and likely in life. All that training crap, not impressive. I have rescued folks with similarly described backgrounds before. Not sure what they are doing in SERE training nowadays. Were you taught in your training that it was a good idea to take emergency ops and make it SOP? Cause, that is exactly what you are describing. You are using bleach in the backcountry? You are concerned about weight, yet you carry a liquid solution? How many gallons? You would be a joy to see entering camp. What is it you are even after by being in the woods? Hey, also, might want to look into hyperactivity disorder issues. Oh, hey! Congratulations on your "endowment". LMAO. Glad to hear that cold conditioning did not harm anything. I can go all day. But, I think we summed up the two different viewpoints and personalities involved here. Safe camping. BONUS: My favorite part-> I do not need deodorant. Lol. Hint? Not your call buddy.

[@jasonwondersoutdoors3702]

Wait! What!?!? You’re advocating having a good time out on the trail as the chief reason to hike? CRAZY TALK! 😆😜🤣

[@DanBecker]

🤣🤣

[@dco8886]

🤣🤣🤣👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@kishascape]

Yeah?! How am I supposed to enjoy hiking if I have to go outside instead of staying indoors and finger friends buttholes whilst comparing lighter packs!

[@travenmichaels7229]

One of the best backpacking videos I've seen on KZbin since I started the hobby. Truly hitting the nail on the head with this one Dan. Backpacking is about reconnecting with nature, with ourselves, with our friends and loved ones, and even with our ancestors. It's about challenging yourself but learning to respect your financial and physical limits. It's about understanding the balance between weight and enjoyment. Let's all keep working on finding more of that balance. ❤️

[@dmn3773]

I've been preaching this to weekend warriors forever... its really about getting away from the noise of the city, life, politics, and being able to truly disconnect. Great video!

[@nuclearoutdoorscampingtips5850]

LOL Population your my hero...

[@jonathantan2469]

Yea, but how else am I to show off to Kyle that my new MRS Featherlite stove is far lighter than his Trangia? Even though the campsite is usually right next to the parking lot?

[@darylgud7601]

What no politics. You guys are fanatical.

[@SophisticatedDogCat]

@@darylgud7601 Agreed. The woods is full of politics. I had to listen to some black bear's two hour rant about how the coyotes aren't respecting property boundaries and they're passing laws to benefit themselves literally just by their larger population.

[@anotheramy71]

"I was kicking myself because I cared more about weight than I did about actually enjoying the experience." Thank you! I enjoy my book, wine, etc. enough that those moments are part of what keep getting me back outside. I think there are also plenty of us who actually enjoy the process of refining our pack list little by little so that each experience is more fulfilling than the last (without breaking the bank). Good stuff, Dan Becker!

[@kishascape]

Eventually though that refining just becomes pointless circlejerking

[@britanihoughton-ladd73]

Love the final word, “our reason for being out on the trail should be less about the gear, and more about the experience!” Agree! 👍

[@DanBecker]

Can’t wait for Columbus Day!!!! 🙌🙌

[@SophisticatedDogCat]

Until that excessive gear rips into your shoulders and ruins the entire trip. I've quit taking people for this reason.

[@derekh1070]

You're telling me I can bring a second pair of underwear now??

[@LezleysAdventures]

Derek Rosenberg this made me laugh

[@nalonabrato8900]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jimmyboots2096]

No! Only 1 pair! Damn it.

[@monkeymanwasd1239]

you bring underwear?!! (im joking, i packed too much last time i had a job where i needed to hike)

[@ianmagnuson1626]

I loved this. I think it is a dangerous rabbit hole that people get into when they are more obsessed with the gear than the trip they are on or the place they are at in the moment. I think everyone can learn something from UL hikers especially when choosing what items they choose not to bring, but not everyone needs a 6oz tent and a backpack that weights 3 grams. Traditional backpacking bags and sleep systems have gotten so much lighter over the years. So bring your beer! Bring your coffee! Bring that pillow! But no, maybe you don’t need 4 pairs of pants “just in case”. Go outside and be comfortable and have fun!!!

[@OldPackMule]

Great video! One thing I would add... the technology changes. Sleeping pads recently have gone to sub-10oz, Dynema packs, electronic devices getting smaller and lighter. What was lightweight 5 years ago isn’t now.

[@whoodiestyle]

Cellphones are not getting any lighter and actually get heavier every year with bigger batteries and use more battery. My galaxy s4 is half the weight of my galaxy s9 and the s4 lasts 5 days on airplane mode using it for pics and GPS map. My s9 last about 2days max doing the same.

[@simonh6371]

@@whoodiestyle True that's because the manufacturers need to keep convincing people (they call us ''consumers'') that we need to constantly buy new phones and follow the trend, a few years ago the trend was for ever smaller cellphones (pre-smartphones) and now they have been growing and growing to the stage where they can't fit in a normal pocket or be operated 1 handed.

[@danmahoney8106]

I enjoy your videos very much. You are direct, entertaining, and stay on topic. You talk fast enough to not bore me with personal anecdotes. I tend to follow your recommendations because they make sense. Thanks for the great advice.

[@fireboxstove]

Very well said! So many people get caught up and lose track of what got them into backpacking in the first place. As you said, it's the experience, it's the location it's the wilderness, it's the solitude. why go to all the efforts to get to that wonderful beautiful place only to find yourself uncomfortable because you were trying to save weight.

[@alexanderweaver9182]

I totally agree, Dan, that it is all about the experience. At age 72 I want to be comfortable. A few extra pounds has never ruined any of my 62 years of backpacking/fishing adventures.

[@truegrite2825]

I’m a weekend warrior and I refuse to hike and camp with out my camp chair 🤣

[@doughooton6220]

Camp chair every time.

[@truegrite2825]

HELINOX! Saved me LoL! So tired of log butt or trying to find something to sit on. I’m older now and having something to sit on and lean my back against is a God send🙏 I love your videos and have become a fan. Thank You!

[@WildlandExplorer]

I used to be so weight obsessed but now that *good* camping chairs exist in that 1lb sweet spot - I'm with you I refuse to hike without a full chair now.

[@bande0219]

Have a good time, right?!

[@blakew5672]

I will say, that 1lb flexlite chair from REI is a nice thing to have. Took the recent 30% off sale to make me bite though. Also have a 10oz stool for when I want to count ounces. Fortunately I’m short so it works lol

[@slipknotrob666]

Great video! I started hiking the PCT last Spring with an expensive tent that pitches with my trekking poles... and half of the nights on trail I cowboy camped because the tent was useless. I now use an Rei 2-person dome tent that was just under $100 brand new, and I'm very happy with it. I usually don't even bother with stakes now unless I'm in an area with strong winds, and this cuts A BUNCH of hassles and the easy set-up is quite enjoyable.

[@MsAcreage]

Great video! As I get older it does help to reduce the weight of my pack just to help make the distance or hike in the mountains. I try to remember that there is such a thing as " stupid light" as well. Thanks for your great channel.

[@TRPufnStuf]

I'm with you as a weekend warrior. I do try to go light as possible. My health isn't that great with the cancer and all. My base weight is about 12.5 lbs. Keep inspiring.

[@willspanish]

Damn that sucks, have fun out there, nature is a great healer for your mental health

[@rkf2746]

I'm betting you are going to kick cancers ass!!!! Stay strong. Roger

[@theadventuresofgibby7823]

Erobin Outdoors You’re out there while having cancer and I’m bellyaching about 100 degree temps? YOU keep inspiring sir!

[@sfgirly64]

Another honest video! my gear weight also depends on the type of trip I'm doing, bagging peaks, scambling, lots of elevation gain, or long miles, the weight makes all the difference, certainly not taking luxury items; real food, camp chair, thicker pad, nice pillow, and so on, those are for the more relaxed, cruisey trips and I love both!

[@mikestanford6418]

Nice how you posted the new logo, or maybe it isn’t new but don’t remember seeing it on the other vids. I am an ultralighter and I have my gear dialed in but I am not a thru hiker or section hiker. I will be the first to admit I bring a luxury item at times and it makes me happy on the trail. My gear mentality doesn’t work for most and i get that, I am also into cheap gear when I can but sometimes patience and biting the bullet to buy those big ticket items just has to happen. I backpack a lot through warm weather on the east coast and some fall, spring too. But you are right, gear weight isn’t in most weekend warriors mind or budget. Guess it’s all on how much you are into it. Simply enjoy the trip and getting into the Woods is by far the most important part of this.

[@SensatiousHiatus]

Very well said Dan...as a thru hiker I really got bored of talking gear 24/7 with others. Trying to get to the root of why people visit certain places is a much more interesting conversation IMO.

[@Whitewolf1023]

Excellent points about various types of backpackers, you nailed it. I'm going on my first ever solo hike this Saturday and I'm trying to keep the weight down as best as I can, but I'm 55 yrs old and not giving up some luxuries.

[@hobofab]

I love that you point out it's more about enjoying your time than having certain gear or being ultralight!

[@JeremiahStringer]

Love the video, Dan! Glad that you recognize weight isn’t everything. Enjoying the backcountry is far more important than competing to see who has the lightest pack. Awesome!!!

[@RainyDayForge]

I started nerding out about the gear but knowing that I, unfortunately, don't do a lot of hiking stopped looking at that data too much. My tent was falling apart and it was time to invest in a new one. And a tent can last a long time so, might as well pay a bit more and get a light one.

[@DanBecker]

Agreed!!!

[@Marcin79W]

I do weekend backpacking 2-3 times a month. I put comfort over light weight. I just got fitter to compensate for that. Saved money for more trips, got fitter - double win. Thank you for the video. I love your channel.

[@ralfhedin]

The best description of different hikingstyles and relevant needs for each of them. One of your absolutely best videos!

[@rkf2746]

Great video Dan! I'll watch weight, but my chair!!!! I'm taking my chair!!!! 😄 I fiddled around with "weight worry" for a while, and finally said heck with it. There are a few things that I just like to have along. Like--my chair!!! But seriously, my hiking and backpacking became much more enjoyable when I stopped being a mile junky. Sometimes my WOW meter goes off at 2-3 miles, and that's where I stop. May be the scenery, the wildlife, that perfect little site. Or, maybe it's because at 68, that's as far as I want to go.🤠 The fun factor increases that way. Take it easy. Oh, love the new logo, Roger

[@LexKaiNix]

RkF my chair is definitely a must when I’m out 😂 This ultralight nonsense doesn’t allow for comfort at all 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@rkf2746]

@@LexKaiNix Yes!!! A fellow chair fan!👍👊 No, it's never made sense to me. They like to brag about it, while they're freezing from a sudden snow storm, or drenched from a down pour, but their pack is light. Me? I like stuff!😄

[@LexKaiNix]

RkF agreed 😂 I have one of those fold up mat-seat things for kneeling on when I’m cooking or the ground’s wet too... bit much maybe 🤷🏻‍♀️ I don’t care lol

[@rkf2746]

@@LexKaiNix That's funny---- I have the same thing. 🤣 And, there are times that I will even throw in my "nook-book", in case I want to read for a while. It's all about being comfy!! As long as I'm comfy, I'm happy. If I ain't happy, it's a long day!!! If somebody don't like it, just keep on walking.😁🚶‍♂️

[@markpanarese2452]

Great video again Dan. I like to see UL kits. They give great ideas. Twenty +years ago my backpack load out was around 45#. Today I am around 25#. That’s fuel and food and water. So great tips and for the weekend warrior like me that’s an improvement and a doable pack wt.

[@timitado]

This is one of the best backpacking videos I have ever watched. Oh how I wish this video was available a couple of years ago! I feel like 20 lbs has been lifted off my back just by removing the stress of constantly dropping pack weight.

[@DanBecker]

Wow Tim! I really appreciate that!

[@snieves4]

When i see ultralight youtubers i always see the camera gear they take...thats 8-15lbs more...right? I like the ending .”...more about the experience”.

[@jimmyboots2096]

The companies that manufacturer, sell ultralight gear are the ones pushing the overly costly gear. They make it seems like a joker class system, because it pressures people to upgrade and buy shit they don't need. I worked in sales for years. It's a standard sales technique.

[@tyeauga]

You are a great resource on hiking and gear. Your passions shows and I'm super grateful to you.

[@douglaher1699]

One of my favorite videos you’ve made. You’re so open, raw and truthful. Ever hiker should watch this video. I hike to get out and spend time with my son. That’s a better reason than any piece of UL gear out there. Thanks for putting it in perspective!

[@woodchip2782]

Loved it!👍You’re right on every point and there are more to add. Walking is free but walking with a goal is different. It costs. The longer it takes the more it costs so buying big ticket gear is only worth it if you bought the time to use it beforehand. Just like the cab driver who uses a Tesla. After doing a little math I sold my expensive big three and rethought my needs for weekend hiking. I inspired myself from Grayson Cobb’s attempt at thru hiking with a hydration pack that he adapted for setting speed records. Look it up, he’s got a tube. Rather drastic but efficient. Now I have a miniature pack stuffed with adapted stuff hanging next to the door for less than I got from selling my B3.

[@darylgud7601]

You are so right. Ultra light makes sense to try to see what kind of comfort you can make for yourself including the hike. Also as you get older lighter weights might make the difference of weather your going to continue. That being said my favorite thing is to try new things in the field and see what works. I love DIY things that work. Like an alcohol or woodburning stove, or my Costco DIY sleep system. I had to make it because I am 6'4" and the one size fits all bags didn't. But a learned a few things. With two quilt I made my size and a layered system that works better than anything you can buy.

[@upcycle.outdoorsman9629]

I'm a weekend backpacker who regularly carries a backpack weight for a thru hike. However, its almost EVERY weekend, including the winter when snowshoes, spikes, and multiple layers are required. When I take on something that is challenging to my fitness level, I drop weight where I can... including my own weight. If I know I'm going to thrash myself on a planned trip in a month, I'll adjust my diet to drop from 215 to 205, because in many cases that is the cheapest and easiest way to increase my success. Experience, or having your gear 'dialed-in', is more important than whether you have the latest or greatest retail offering. Of course I see hikers when the weather is nice who have the latest and greatest, and it looks like they clipped the tags that morning. Worse than that are the people who get in trouble because they didn't have important personal safety items in order to hike light. I remind myself that they are looking to succeed just like me, and might not have time under the pack that I do. I take for granted sometimes that I spent my early professional life as light infantry in the Marines and then the Army, where I regularly spent weeks in the field living out of a pack, and attended two different mountain-warfare schools. My lesson is this: gear obsession and weight snobbery is sometimes insecurity about relative experience, and our hobby is dominated by niche outfitters trying to survive in a retail world populated by fewer and fewer 'lifestyle' hikers. Dan is on-point with his commentary about his journey. In the U.S. we live in an advertising and retail saturated culture, but somewhere in the Andes is a farmer herding some Llama and Alpaca making your little nature walk look like child's play, and doing it with kit that didn't cost what to him is more than a year's wages. So pack what you need or want, and get out there and have a safe and comfortable adventure. Fun is the goal.

[@rkf2746]

Semper Fi.

[@upcycle.outdoorsman9629]

@@rkf2746 Semper Fi!

[@jamesjeffery1757]

This is the best response. 👍🏻. Hike your hike, nothing’s better than experience.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Agree they are valid points and worth talking about. As a weekend warrior and maybe 4-12 nights out every year it make no sense to buy too expensive gear. But I admit, just bought the ULA Circuit, having a new quilt on the way... I like research, browsing and trying out new stuff. Like tomorrow, instead of taking the car 30km to a friends party, I start walking the day before and make an overnighter by my self out in the woods just for fun and for the opportunity to be out :) Lighweight or not, may bring some beer!

[@dusk1947]

Yes! Finally a KZbin content creator that says this! Great video, awesome perspective, wholeheartedly agree

[@AmyRoutt]

Great conversation! I consider myself LIGHT but not ULTRALIGHT. When I first started backpacking (there weren't YT videos) but I read a lot of blogs that talked about UL backpacking. And I got caught up in it a little bit. I remember people talking about cutting the tags (the ones that are stitched in) off everything you have. I mean, sure, you don't need the tags, so cut them off if you think about it. But I don't even think/care about it hahahaha LET ME CARRY MY NALGENES AND MY JETBOIL, PEOPLE.

[@trailheart1863]

😂 lol 😉With ya 100 % 👍, Gotta have the Exped sleepmat, MSR windburner , mini binoculars, and my pulse oximeter.

[@AmyRoutt]

@@trailheart1863 hahaha! Carry those mini binoculars all you want! lol

[@redrockcrf4663]

The biggest concern with Ultralight setups is whether people are carrying the gear for unfortunate circumstances - bad weather, injury, etc. I do over half my hiking in the back country and wilderness. It is very unforgiving when stuff happens. A trip just last week we had moderate rain on the last night. My friend's almost new tent from a reputable manufacturer leaked and they had pooling in the tent. Thank god earlier in the trip we sheltered in Rock bivvies, else it could have been a very misreable trip with wet sleeping bags each night.

[@LexKaiNix]

Expense is definitely a big issue! I was actually contemplating spending over £100 for a “light weight” jacket that would have saved less than a pound of weight over my comfy thermal (also packable) jacket I got for £30... I must have been insane!

[@awlance44]

Well said Dan. Weekend Warriors unite. Not a shred of dyneema in my pack. I consider myself a lightweight thrifty backpacker. I walk fast but bore easily and a 3 pound roomy 2 person (aka solo) tent suits me. I love it compared to my first tent in my youth that wouldn’t have qualified as a carry-on with the airlines. However my 46 yr old knees appreciate spending a little coin to lighten my pack and make their job a little easier. But my thriftiness draws the line at 50% more coin for 10% lighter weight. There are loads of options out there if you ignore the “Best...” click bait sites and patiently check honest reviewers (like you) and watch the sales. Thanks Buddy.

[@PADDLECAMPFISH]

Great video, nicely put together and I totally agree. I have a buddy who is a thru hiker and he doesn't even like to go bare bones. Most of us have families and job restrictions, so like you say, we live vicariously through the ones who can take off and thru hike.

[@johnellis4129]

I agree with you. I go to the trail to enjoy cooking a nice meal and it is sometimes this challenge that I enjoy the most. Some nice stew cooking while sipping on some coffee taking in the evening view at sunset is my gig not to mention waking my wife on a winter morning with the smell and sounds of sizzling bacon and coffee as she lies in the hammock snuggling up to her quilt. I do tend to buy expensive gear but it is for peace of mind when a thunderstorm rolls into the mountains at supper time or the weather takes an unexpected turn for the worse in the middle of the night. Last trip it was "but it's going to rain all weekend" and I replied "but we have new tarps and rain gear. We need to test them" lol. Sometimes the gear gets you off your rump and onto the trail.

[@tzaberlin2673]

One of the best vids you have done!!! Honest to yourself and us! Especially the last sentence explained everything which is Importanz!! Thx Dan!!! Cheers from Zurich, Switzerland

[@uberjimindc613]

Right on! No need to be a gear snob! I mean an Ultralight backpacker. It’s about the journey not the gear. Keep the videos rolling Dan!

[@nickbyrd1027]

I love your videos, Dan! Always logical, down to earth, and informative. Your summative statement is really something us weekend warrior gear junkies should always keep in perspective: Experience > Gear

[@paddle_hike]

Super great informations and yep! I try to go lighter but it's not for everyone. Also, ultralight is so expensive. Good video to think about all of this. Take care

[@Lee-70ish]

Bang on mate . I love getting or at least looking at the latest new bit of gear same as the next guy. However everyone has to walk their own path so they can enjoy the great outdoors and for me that is what it’s all about above kit or miles walked Happy trails guys

[@rudolfthered]

I just went out for the first time in 20+ years and my 1992 Moss tent and Gregory pack worked flawlessly. 1992 Slumberjack sleeping bag. 1993 Titanium teapot. I did buy a new Termarest Large pad and chairkit to replace my older models. Replaced Camp 1 stove with MSR Pocket Rocket 2. Added BV 450 canister because Lassen rules. Base weight of 30 pounds. Nalgene 48 oz bottles. 1994 Pur pump filter with new filter. Ultralight? No. 30lbs without food or water. Used 1993 REI treking poles and did about 5/15 miles xcountry. Old gear is solid. That tent is flawless. 27 years old.

[@WildlandExplorer]

I have found going ultralight is exactly about carrying luxury items and enjoyment. I no longer think about the weight penalty of a chair, a remote canister stove or even a frying pan when my shelter, pack, sleep system, etc weighs so little to begin with. There is a nice sweet spot I have found where I can add 2-3 lbs back into that minimalist ultralight setup and have a really nice time at camp.

[@Packsalot]

This video is spot on. Ultralight backpacking has its place for sure but for me I'm mostly the weekend end warrior and am fully capable to carry the additional weight for the shorter trips that I do. Thanks for sharing.

[@BackpackingWithJason]

Great advice Dan. I like to bring different things on different trips. Depending on environment and weather. I’m definitely no ultralight backpacker but I also can keep it under 30lbs with food and water. Great video Dan and some great tips.

[@DanBecker]

Thanks Jason!

[@thomasprost10]

I believe that ul-gear can also be super useful for weekend warriors. IMO it depends much more on the distance you want to walk everyday. If I'm walking 10-15km (metric system, hell yeah!) I can totally get away with more weight because I'm walking 5 hours at most. But if I want to do 100km on a weekend I'll watch for every tiny gram. Because in contrast to the 10-15km hikes, I'll fall asleep as soon as I stop walkong. I get the feeling that many people think, that once they start UL hiking, they have to do it for the rest of their lifes. And if they stop UL than GOD FORBID THEY EVER PACK LITE AGAIN!!

[@darthkek1953]

Americans are allowed to use kilometres but you're expected to call them "klicks". ;-)

[@blakew5672]

Ultralight has its benefits no doubt, and makes even short hikes better. There’s a balance you’ve gotta find though, unless you’re the type that just loves to have the greatest and best stuff. Spending an extra $100 to shave an ounce is a bit ridiculous though.

[@thomasprost10]

@@blakew5672 amen

[@archygrey9093]

@@darthkek1953 call them "kays" when in Australia

[@lulinha691]

For me, I try so save weight on every gear that is necessary like tent, sleeping bag, jackets, shoe, etc, without taking away from performance. And I do that to compensate for the luxury itens i like to take with me. For example, I love knives, so I take 3 with me (bugout, leatherman wave+ and opinel). Do I need 3? No. But I like taking then with me. And to try and compansate that extra weight I try to save weigth with other ultralight gear.

[@AstrumG2V]

And it also depends on where you're going! I'm heading to South Sweden in February, and you bet I'm bringing a big knife and maybe even a saw! There's wind shelters at the end of every section, with long logs that you can saw your own fire wood from for their fireplace!

[@mpakirk]

Wow! On point! I haven’t even went on my first hike yet, and was obsessing about weight. Training for Ozark Trails in 2020 and section hike AT in 2021. Thanks for bringing me back down to earth.

[@raytango171]

I am a weekend warrior. I finally got around to weighing all my budget gear. I am sitting at 20 lb. Not too bad.

[@esc8722]

What do you eat ? Pumpkin seeds and drink 3 drops of water per day ? Come on now lol. My water alone is 7 lbs for a weekend... What do you drink ? Don't you use water for dehydrated meals ... To drink .. etc ???? 🧐🤔

[@raytango171]

@@esc8722 You do realize the gear weight people reference is BEFORE food and water? Calm yourself. Peace be unto you.

[@memathews]

Spot on, Dan. The drive for UL doesn't make sense for everyone and it depends on the objective. I've hosted a few PCT thru-hikers at my house and the majority of them are carrying what I carry for a weekend backpack. Some of them have lightweight versions of gear I use, lighter packs or tents or sleeping gear, but it's roughly the same gear. And I upgrade my old gear to lighter weight whenever possible and when it makes sense. The big difference is half of my trips are for the Forest Service or the PCTA, so I'm carrying extra weight in tools: 5 pounds of radio and extra batteries; a couple of pounds of group first aid kit; pounds of restocking permits or returning permit stubs; socket wrenches, long-handled loppers, folding saws, hand whichever and cables, etc.; eventually it gets heavy and needs a carrier to match the gear. That said, if I can keep the basic gear under 15 pounds, then I can handle another 10 pounds of tools, 8 pounds of food and water, and 8-10 pounds of safety gear. And still get 10-15 miles a day with 2,000' climbs. It's that mix of sensible UL that makes the difference.

[@Temporalplace]

I do the same thing, i lighten my gear to be able to take more gear like fishing rod, slingshot or just more food.

[@lordmarshall5239]

Great job all around. Excellent breakdown. Be happy is what it’s about, experiment, research and hike your own hike.

[@adventurebythemile]

Thanks for this video. I'm so sick of hearing your tent weighs 3 pounds that's to much. I also don't understand why doing 20 miles a day is so important how can you enjoy what the environment has to offer if your practically running through it?

[@m.skotmacfarelyn9344]

I think that a person's system needs to be relevant to their goals. If your goal is to walk a great distance, sleep, then get up and walk a great distance again, then you will want a system that is geared toward walking and therefore you will want a lower pack weight. If your goal is to walk a shorter distance and then spend a bunch of time at camp, then you will want to have a system to be comfortable at camp. That will mean things like extra cookware, camp chairs, beer, etc. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. Even if you are a "weekend warrior" that only gets out on maybe three trips a year, it's ok to go light if your goal is to cover distance. Plan and pack for your trip goal. I personally like covering more terrain so I pack light so that I can walk 10-15 miles before settling in. I hike solo, so I don't need or even want a fancy camp. Most times I don't make fires. I hike all day, eat, sleep, and then get up and hike all day. It's what I enjoy.

[@MaverickTube]

Same here

[@pgpagaia]

Finally some seasoned common sense. What is the point of going to great locations if you don't enjoy a good properly cooked meal in the end of the day. Or your fresh brewed coffee or cold beer. It still doesn't mean that a few tricks to save weight aren't useful. It also make sense to get some more durable things that weight a bit more.

[@richardhislop-harvestthena4882]

Yep Weekender here! I will go light as possible but ultralight on every single thing is a great way to make the weekend no fun and way less comfortable! The goal is have fun, not accomplish a specific base weight even though we will totally buy great gear to do the best we can where we can on our budget, because yes Being the weekender I’m not investing in ALL of the lightest gear at once maybe over a long period of time. Totally agree with Dan, right on! Yep the high priced gear is not worth it to me, however I am totally going to upgrade from Osprey 60 heavy pack to a Zpacks Arc Haul 62L someday! Thanks Dan love your vid man! My 10 year old son and I just competed our first trip togetherness his first backpacking experience on the AT and we had a blast together ( 3 days on the AT in Virginia and did 16 miles with him!!!)! We had a blast and He loves his new Osprey Ace 50 kids pack and Kelty Mistral 20 kids bag! We are planning our spring trip to continued the trial where we left off! Thanks for all the videos for us weekenders who need quality budget gear and who are never going to down $500 on a sleeping bag because we just can’t go and use to it that much and dont want to spend that on only one item of the gear setup. Love the vids thanks!!!

[@jecstrike]

I am one of the weekend warrior. I really like too keep my things light but I enjoy travelling with my buddies thus i do have gears that are made for groups and to be connected with nature.

[@cephasmcpher67peteroutdoorspip]

If I sand the paint off from my fuel canister I can lighten my load! lol, Great video Dan, love your channel!

[@archygrey9093]

I like to drill holes in mine, makes it WAY lighter but it sure does smell

[@christopherday893]

Yes! This! Backpacking / hiking for me IS about the experience and challenging myself physically and mentally along the way. My gear is secondary but important for comfort and safety.

[@arnauorengoguardiola1616]

Just discovered you and I like the way you explain things, gonna watch more videos. I have to say that I agree with you, but only sometimes. I guess I tend to bring more stuff than necessary, although I have done the exact same thing you did about weighting every item of my backpack, and sometimes I have hiked with too much weight, thus making me enjoy less the hike, having to stop more frequently and feeling pain in my shoulders. If I go to a normal trek, I prefer going lighter, whereas if I'm going to a really special place, I bring my DSLR camera and tripod, which weight at least 2,5kg, and even the ukulele, but like you said, if I take nice pictures, it'll be worth the extra effort.

[@chrisobvious]

It's so easy for things picked up as a hobby to become an obsession. I know this from firsthand experience. And it can be hard to take a step back.

[@earnieburfitt7791]

And...... so much for the zpacks sponsorship!

[@trailheart1863]

That’s a good one 😂🤣😂

[@TainoXtreme]

I enjoyed this video a lot. I totally agree with you. But I’m still trying to make my backpacking load the lightest possible. I am 58 years old and have a hard condition. You get the picture. I still think there are ways of having a very ultralight gear on competitive materials but not so expensive. It’s a matter of research and use a little bit of imagination and apply do it yourself concepts. Thank you so much for sharing this video. God bless you.

[@trailheart1863]

I’m 58 too and I’ve lightened my load to what I think is financially reasonable for me, and given my age I’m probably the only guy on trail who carries a pulse oximeter to see how my oxygen level are at altitude 😂🤣

[@5tevef]

Even though you'll probably get some backlash for saying it isn't all about the least weight carried I say thank you for bringing reality back to hiking. I cant afford to purchase a new pack and gear for each hike because they are so light they wear out fast. My Mystery Ranch may be heavy but I know it won't fail when I am miles into the wilds.

[@rkf2746]

How do you like your Mystery Ranch? I've been a Gregory fan for years, but have only recently learned of the Mystery Ranch, and really like what I see and read. Just haven't talked to anyone who is actually using one. Just saw your comment and wanted to ask. Thanks! Stay safe. Roger

[@5tevef]

@@rkf2746 Its an extremely well made pack. I have the Ravine and it's very comfortable. The one issue I have is the side pockets for water bottles is just out of reach for me. It's not a big deal and my guess is that I'm not as limber anymore - of course my girth can't have anything to do with it. :)

[@banshee107]

lol, same boat. I’m a weekend warrior but spent $$$ on lighter weight kit and freeze dried food. Now every time I go out I end up using my old larger bag and more kit because we usually do 8-10mile hike, setup a camp and drink. However, I do have that light weight kit just incase that 5 day monster mountain hike. It’s been 4 years and I’m still waiting for it lol.

[@bearanoia673]

My luxury item is a travel sized 'My Pillow' oh and a plastic bottle of vanilla Jim Beam 😄 Over the past 2 years, I've gone from being a day hiker/camper to section hiking ( and getting over the Bearanoia 😉). Ultra light gear has made it possible but I still need to bring a real pillow 🤩🌲🐻

[@DyrewulfNV]

I carry more on a day hike than most people think - it cracks me up when somebody picks up my backpack for a 10-12 mile hike and nearly fall over. (But I'm Sasquatch-sized, I don't even notice the weight.)

[@ModernGentleman]

Yep, same here. Find a balance. Being comfortable and enjoying the experience is more important than your bag and what's in it.

[@Canadaman4403]

That might be your best video yet thanks Dan spoken like a true Canadian pack light so you can carry more beer

[@caseysr.sectionhiker8372]

Your reason #3 says it all & as a corollary to that, I really like to 'repurpose' stuff to take the place of expensive gear (which far to often I've already bought).

[@seamus-xi7hz]

Thanks for a good, honest , evaluation... Over compensation, and over estimation are something that all to many of us are guilty of.... A good video clearly and concisely presented ... Cheers.

[@Charsept]

6:17 truer words are rarely spoken 🙏

[@Darth_Rambo6]

Great video bro!!! I always bring fishing gear with me while I backpack so its basically impossible to be ultra light. So I dont stress it one bit.

[@cdwkthemyth]

Totally agree with this video. I just finished my thru hike of the AT and in the planning phase I wanted to be as UL as possible. Arc haul, duplex, lightweight sleep pad. Eventually I started adding things to my setup such as an umbrella, camp shoes, extra socks to make it a more enjoyable experience. While its important to be mindful of how much your setup weighs, you also have to understand how long you'll be out there. I'd say as long as you're under 30lbs with full resupply and water most people would be happy. I started out at Amicalola with a 24# pack including a 4 day resupply and 2 liters of water. By the end with a similar resupply I was closer to 28#. The AT was also my first backpacking trip so I've learned a TON in the process. If I do the PCT as I currently plan I know where I can comfortably cut weight and still have an enjoyable experience.

[@erickortiz9121]

Awesome subject. Well done exposed.It took me years to finally realize that i’m better off cooking with the esbit solid fuel tablet. I spent a lot of money in tents and I finally decided that sleeping under a cheap 12 x 10 tarp and a mosquito mesh enclosure fits the bill to my demands and expectations. I also got lowered into the ultralight backpacking but finally drew the line and don’t go beyond that line since I cannot afford it and it’s not as comfortable and abrasion resistant. Because of my heart condition, I try to be the lightest backpacker possible. But my backpack is not the ultra lightest because it’s too expensive or frameless and uncomfortable. My backpacking style is from the point of View of a weekend warrior legally blind person with a heart condition. The only exception I do not go cheap is in the sleeping bag or quilt and footwear. I also apply DIY concepts and all my backpacking gear and customizations since I never find all the features I want and gear sold out there even in the top of the line gear.. my goal is to find gear that is practical and that is not necessarily ultralight. What kind of food and cook system do you bring to your backpacking? Thank you so much for this video. God bless you.

[@martymorissette]

It’s certainly all about getting out there! Most people stop themselves way to often because they don’t have the perfect gear...... just remember the first guys to climb Mount Everest had less gear then we all do today lol

[@barryfullick7981]

Great point buddy, and to reinforce it also understand that some of today's budget kit is nottoo far behind in functional quality of the hot shot kit. of not too many years ago. It's not about how you look but what you do.

[@martymorissette]

@@barryfullick7981 there is also certainly lots to learn by using cheaper gear!!

[@fjellgutten1603]

For a week in the mountains im starting at around 65lbs. Using a 95 liter! Half of the weight is from fuel, beers and food so it get much lighter by each day :) I love to feel comfy in camp after a long hike.

[@livinglike_lisa7954]

Good video! I’m just getting into backpacking but I have bought the lightest gear I can because if I don’t I wouldn’t be able to backpack at all. My middle age joints and muscles would not allow me to. 😊

[@chadfontaine2717]

Little late to the party here but ya... I'm an ultra-lighter, a thru-hiker, a section hiker... in my head. In reality... I do weekend trips and once a year I'll do a 5-7day. But I still like to watch cool gear vids and try and trim my pack down to increase my on trail and in camp enjoyment.

[@cjmooney3641]

Great video! I find myself getting into the same trap with climbing/mountaineering gear, good reminder to not be so focused on weight that we get distracted from other priorities that make it enjoyable! (i.e. that summit beer)

[@rtfrenchjr]

Hey Dan! Great video, love the last message about why are we out there. I get so tired of hearing about the over priced Zpacks/dyneema gear, and people seem to preach that it is a must have in order to go backpacking. Keep up the great videos.

[@TomOHern]

I am a weekend warrior and an ultralighter. I may not have a sub-10lbs pack for every trip, but ultralighting is a mindset that I think about when I am packing for my weekend trip. And now that I have two kids, I value that even more as I often have to carry their gear as well. And if my 6 year old can carry her own sleeping pad, quilt, and pack that all weigh in at less than three pounds, that means we can make on longer trails and get out more often. Ultralighting makes sense for me because it enables me to go more often and go further. And that is awesome.

[@bande0219]

What is the point to "going further"? I do not get that.

[@Leadmeoutdoors]

I have to agree with you. I am a weekend warrior myself and it is nice to take those luxuries with you sometimes. Makes sense if you are hiking for long periods and long distance but I am doing neither of those.

[@benkowall5158]

Dan I really enjoy your videos man! You really cover everything with such open honesty, and it's just really refreshing to hear your thoughts and opinions. I look forward to your future videos!

[@davidvavra9113]

I expect to return to the Colorado Trail this summer, With lots of UL scale gear, And my dinosaur MSS bivy. Yep, a 22 ounce quilt inside a 35 ounce bivy. Because I trust it. Go light but bring what you trust. The weight you save will give you no comfort on a dark and stormy night. You'll have enough to worry about.

[@matthewcrawford4216]

The stuff I carry is simply there to let me see what’s around the next corner and enjoy a view very few people take the effort to seek. Every time I hike I imagine I’m On a tiny adventure. Sometimes I imagine I’m part of the Fellowship of the Ring! LOL Gear is just a means to an end. If it’s lighter and not terribly expensive I’ll give it a go. I’m willing to carry a bit more to enjoy the short time I have outdoors. Great topic!

[@reno7725]

Dude I really enjoy your Chanel - you’re a realist - everything makes logical sense - anyway being an older guy (49) I don’t mind the challenges within reason - being a novice I will be a car camper for now then maybe a “mile from car camper” then continue ofcourse to bigger and better things BUT let me tell ya the sleeping pad thing SUCKS and I’m losing sleep as a “back sleeper” - is this something I get used to ? I used a therma rest foam pad AND a Therma rest trail scout. Secondly as a you tube watcher I keep gravitating towards this Warbonnet Ridgerunner Hammock, have you hammock’ed

[@TK-cl1jm]

I just return d to backpacking after several years. At 52, I need my sleep! Sea to Summit Etherlight XT Insulated has been a back and hip saver. Let's me sleep on my side without my arm going numb.

[@reno7725]

Todd K I know I can’t expect to feel as if I were at home but man...... as a back sleeper I need to follow that kinda contour, not to mention I went to REI and these sleep pads are super $$$. I’m no where near as avid as these videos but I certainly get the jist of it. Thanks for the comment 👊🏼

[@DanBecker]

Yes I’ve have hammocked! I have the warbonnet ridgerunner and absolutely love it! It is one of the most comfortable hammocks I have ever slept in. Highly recommend it!

[@fuzielectron5172]

BEER!!! Every trip is better for it! I am not surprised at the Poll Results, people need to take 15 minutes out and be very objective about what they really need.....

[@1Deejay7]

Thats why I bring two bladders, a water bladder and a dedicated alcoholic bladder. For beer on the go. Lol

[@jaynecobb5774]

Dan the 'Everyman Hiker'.. LOVE your channel man.

[@benastwood]

Absolutely nailed this one Dan - Even though you have the opportunity to get out every 4-6 weeks, you're viewing the challenge from the weekend warrior (2-3 times a year - if that!) point of view. Precisely why I subscribe to your videos. Keep up the great work!

[@RyanSchell]

Stop being in my head so much! Haha, this video was perfect for what I've been feeling. I know I won't get to ultralight, so it's good to hear it's not really worth the time and money for the majority. I def would like to get lighter and dialed in, but it's good to know all the variables that have overwhelmed me trying to figure out is a normal part of the process, and I need to just enjoy it. Great video!

[@cuchanu]

I'm a weekend warrior too, but I've been able to get some lightweight gear for more cost by keeping my eyes out for used gear, selling what I'm not using, looking out for big sales, etc. But some ultralight gear doesn't make sense because it's fragile and a a pound or half pound of weight savings can cost you hundreds of bucks. I'm pretty strong and can hike with 80lbs of gear on shorter trails (beer, heavy food, etc), but for longer trails a heavy load limits your enjoyment while you're actually on the trail (good for camp though)

[@rldickie]

Thru hiking's for rich folk. Most people gotta grind five out of seven. I spend those five on my feet. Friday night I just wanna get out in the kindling and live in my hammock for a couple days and talk to the trees.

[@jamesthornton3339]

Thanks Dan. Once again, great points. I enjoy your views on the hobby we enjoy.

[@hudsonbuell6781]

Probably my favorite backpacking video yet. (and I've watched a lot of them)