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[@squirrel_82]

I got that Jacket on clearance for $60. I was STOKED!!! Thanks Dan.

[@jameswconforti4248]

where? Link?

[@BJCorbin]

same here... thanks

[@brinks1111]

I bought the Decathlon jacket last winter for hiking, for all the reasons Dan mentioned. The first couple hikes I ended up pulling it off because I was too warm. I wear a base layer, light fleece under this jacket and if it is snowing or raining I put a shell over top. I live in Canada and hike the Rockies. At -10 to -14c I start my hikes with only the base and light or medium fleece (be bold, start cold). So far only add the jacket when stopped for a break. All four layers I mentioned are from Decathlon and I would not change a thing!

[@LoreTunderin]

The Decathlon jacket is fantastic, been using it for the past 2 winters here in Canada. Works well if you layer up properly.

[@ryanb3908]

Down jackets from MEC are legit too and can get them on sale for $60-100 and have multiple thruhikes on mine and still going strong.

[@LuckyTown77]

Mine too ​@@ryanb3908

[@painshotnation]

What province are ya in?

[@LoreTunderin]

@@painshotnation Sask. and NS

[@Canadaman4403]

What size did you choose . I’m 6 foot one 200 pounds I’d like to make sure that I order the right size

[@wingmanhoy3999]

I just used my Decathlon MT100 on a winter hike in the 20s and was so warm when at summit, but had to take off when hiking, really love it, packs down to nothing in my pack, best $60.00 ive ever spent on my gear, all the very best.

[@rjenkins133]

I have MH Ghost Whisperer - had it for at least 6 years. The zipper broke this fall and MH is fixing it free of charge -it has a lifetime warranty. Love the jacket but I might need to get one of these as a backup.

[@matthewjack4281]

Hey Dan, glad you're back reviewing gear. Could you do a video on the different hiking/trekking pants that you've used? Please and thank you, looking forward to future videos.

[@wayofthehike]

Such a great and helpful review. Love these little comparison videos. Really gives good perspective and always enjoy the touch of humor you bring to the table. I wonder if you might do another video on hiking pants at some point as well.

[@joez4284]

I hiked Yosemite in late October 2023, and had the Mt100 (same color). What can I say... AWESOME JACKET!

[@karenhunt2678]

I bought this last year after your review. Love it!! I pick it over my more expensive Patagonia puffer all the time ❤️

[@TimR123]

I love a sensible comparison of practical quality and luxury quality. Nothing wrong with either and you did a great job of acknowledging both.

[@MakeItSo_ST]

Dan, I know you’re looking forward to telling more stories (I am too!) and doing fewer reviews, but you’re darn good at it! I was so engaged, I had to come back to the video to like it because I forgot! I don’t even need a jacket! 😂

[@daakrolb]

Now this is a good video. Just talking about gear. That’s all I need to watch. Thank you.

[@cbgny23]

Yes, I saw the last video, but LOVE the gear reviews! Keep 'em coming!

[@gmanana3627]

👍 thanks Dan. This is why I appreciate your videos. 👊

[@MrSomethingLost]

Weared the blue Decathlon Jacket on the arctic circle trail in August '22. Absolutely recommend it.

[@AuburnAlum1977]

I found Decathlon through your videos a couple of years ago & I love my jacket! I already had a Marmot & Ghost Whisperer & they're all great but I love the price of the Decathlon. 👏

[@VinceFowler]

I own the Decathlon Forclaz MT100, Arc'teryx Cerium SL, and Patagonia Micro Puff. If you have money to burn - like Dan said - you still might buy a Forclaz simply because... I don't care if it gets trashed on a winter over-night by the fire. 😉

[@displacedgranitestater2821]

Nice review. The Decathlon jacket looks nice if I was in the market. I was blessed to have gotten a Patagonia Micro Puff on clearance for $100 a year and a half ago and I still have my old Nano Puff I got as a factory second on Patagonia’s Worn Wear site for about the same price. Probably won’t need another jacket for a while.

[@outidenine7611]

You know its a good day when Dan posts!

[@kenwbrenner]

Hi Dan. Thanks for the video - I'm seriusly considering getting a hooded puffy jacket, and your video helped a lot. I will be purchasing the MT100 soon. Hoping the Lord richly blesses you and your family in 2024.

[@CADPAT111]

I’m looking at purchasing the Montbell Apline Down Jacket in the next few days, this video couldn’t have come at a better time! thanks Dan!

[@DanBecker]

Glad I could help!

[@CADPAT111]

@@DanBecker You sure did! keep doing what you’re doing! hope your recovery is going smoothly.

[@BurfieldPhoto1]

I've found the best way to compare puffer jackets is the create a little table that calculates the volume of lofted air that the fill can capture, as this equates to the warmth of the jacket. It's not an exact calculation of course because it assumes perfect theoretical maximum loft for a given fill weight and loft rating, and it doesn't factor in the jacket's ability to trap and maintain lofted warmed air versus leaking it, but it puts all jackets on a level playing ground so you can look at what you're dealing with. Combined with the total weight of the jacket you can also calculate a warmth to weight ratio. The Decathlon has a loft volume of 40.23 liters and the Mont Bell has a loft volume of 55.49 liters so there's a significant difference in warmth there. When you factor in the warmth to weight ratio the Decathlon scores at 0.14 (liters of lofted air per gram) whereas the Mont Bell is 0.23, so you're talking about a jacket that is almost 50% warmer with close to double the warmth to weight ratio, that's why it's five times as expensive.

[@MB4msc]

Thank you for this information.

[@sebulban]

There is an online calculator where you can input the amount of down & fill power and it tells you how much of down would be needed for same warmth with different FP’s. It works really well

[@ObjectiveMedia]

Yes. People in the community consistently underestimate the importance of fill power. The popular opinion is “fill weight matters, fill power doesn’t” when in fact you need BOTH numbers to estimate/calculate the potential warmth factor.

[@mikebirdly5872]

For years i used and still use this decathlon jacket as my winter jacket in combination with a very cheap marmot rain jacket. It also my hicking combo since years i was very impressed by the decathlon jacket at all.

[@davidpippin3460]

Love my MT100. It cannot be beat for the price. I wore it to work today lol

[@freedomwon2004]

I love these videos. I know what to look for at Goodwill. I'm on a very tight budget. But it amazes me what I find used

[@melkerryberg]

I’ve got the Mont Bell. It’s just so ridiculous good. I did bought the Plasma vest as well a month later. That combo is for sure expensive but I just wish I bought them in the first place.

[@melkerryberg]

Thanks Dan

[@dangerpudge1922]

I've got a Decathlon (under the older Trek moniker) and bought it on an older video Dan made comparing it to the MH Ghost Whisperer. I *can* afford whatever I'd like (I'm blessed and deeply grateful for my good fortune) but have yet to feel any need to change. I'm generally a cold-natured guy for some reason and this jacket never fails to impress me. I'm always plenty warm. Unlike Dan, I reserve mine for hiking, but like Dan, I haven't noticed any wear or degradation in the jacket. The euro zip is weird for Americans for a bit, but a lot of my motorcycle gear is the same; you get used to it pretty quickly. IMO this is the single best cost : $ piece of backpacking gear I have ever purchased. Thanks, Dan!

[@JCrozier1]

so glad to see notifications from your channel again...

[@drcaduceus]

I bought the Decathlon jacket for myself and my wife for our trip to Iceland based on a previous review. They were great! I wish we could post pics in the comments. I'd show you pics of us hiking on a glacier in them! We got the jackets without the hoods on sale for $60! We loved them so much each of our kids got one for Christmas.

[@BrashAdventures]

Bought the Decathlon Jacket 2 years ago after seeing it well reviewed here and other KZbin channels. Very warm, and does everything I need, but I have issues with it leaking down. For the money though, I can't complain too much.

[@beschuitfluiter]

Been using the mt100 for over 7 years now. It's awesome

[@Stan6053]

How do you wash it? Do you use tennis ball in washer and dryer? Or hand wash?

[@Dmantherock]

I love my Forclaz. I actually bought it to be worn as a midlayer on my motorcycle in the cold, however it will be and already has been used for much more. It works SOOOOOO good as a midlayer on a bike though. I was riding at 50+ MPH in 34-40 degree Fahrenheit weather for over three hours and I stayed perfectly warm, which has never happened before, even with a heated sweatshirt. Worth every penny and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one if I lost or damaged it.

[@patcowley6378]

it is makes an amazing difference...great alone or in a layering set-up...

[@williamthompson8136]

I got the decathlon for Christmas as I gear up for my Pictured Rocks hike this fall.. not disappointed at all

[@westendgirl320]

I love my decathlon jacket that I got, on sale, for 40 Canadian dollars about two years ago. I've worn it camping, hiking, underneath a parka on the really cold days, the dog has slept on it and it still is lofty and warm. No tears and has even withstood the washer and dryer. I'm sure I'll be wearing it for years to come. I ended up with a true bargain.

[@jamesking4225]

I have montbell jackets down,synthetic,and rain I love all of them , and rarely do a trip without a montbell piece. I also love my mammut, and torrid jackets. I might have to try a Decathalon jacket for around town.

[@cherylmacklin3578]

hi🌷 So happy to see you back!, unfortunately I lost my little Buddy🐾 last year! 😢 Eventually it will get better I hope!? 🤞 Take care and stay safe 🥳 Cheryl

[@intotopei]

I have had the same forclaz also for 2-3 year. The price is great, very light and packable and is a fantastic fall jacket. However,found the outer shell fragile, I have several repairs to mine for tears on the trail. I live in Canada and have several puffy jackets. I don’t consider this a warm jacket. I wear it in the winter but only if it around 0C. I like it and wear it, but there are definitely cons. Depends what you want it for. Thx for the video

[@Im_With_Stupid]

I bought my Rab Cirrus Alpine from Enwild's eBay store for $70 and it was basically brand new. Also bought a brand new pair of Mountain Hardwear pants for $17. Shop smart at you can still have top of the line gear without going broke.

[@LousyFIBs]

I like how you put it: You could take that leftover $400 and use it to layer-up

[@beschuitfluiter]

Get an extra decathlon fleece for 40 bucks and spend the rest on real turmat meals

[@robinday1179]

Love my Decathlon Forclaz. I wear it daily during cold weather and six-months in, it’s holding up very well.

[@Dave-qj1yg]

I bought the Decathlon jacket for about 50 euro. I use it for both urban and trekking purposes, last summer/fall in the Dolomites. Its great and fits great too (as opposed to mountain hardwear). Oh, and its so much warmer than Patagonias micro puff

[@daddoesadventure]

Such a good and thorough review

[@gregmortonoutdoors]

The Forclaz Trek 100 jacket was my go to for a 2022 AT thru hike. I did a comparison video a few months before I left where I compared the stats to the Mountain Hardwear Ghost Whisperer II jacket. The only real difference was the Forclaz used thicker material that was 2 OZ heavier...but hundreds of dollars less. When I ran into other people with the jacket, we were giving each other head nods because we knew the real deal about the jacket. Kind of like a secret club. Personally, I use the Forclaz Trek synthetic version. When you have been hiking all day in cold weather, you'll need to throw on an insulating layer at the end of the day. Down jackets have a tendency to lose insulation as your under layers start drying and evaporating, dampening the feathers. The synthetic version eliminates that issue for a couple of more ounces of weight. Also, the hood doesn't have a drawstring and you can get drafts. I found if you put up the hood and pull your buff over top, it will seal up the opening on the hood just fine.

[@shaggyterrell8460]

Love your videos but I gotta say, I’m watching this after sitting here outside in the upper teens lower 20s for the last couple hours in my Enlightenment Equipment Torrid. I’m super toasty, this thing is so warm. It’s 9oz in medium tall, don’t have to worry about it getting wet like down, no baffling so no cold spots, and it was under $200. Best damn jacket I’ve ever bought and in my opinion a way better than either of those or any down I’ve tried.

[@dirtsmiles8098]

I’m curious why no one compares the other decathlon jackets. They have the 500 for $149 and the 900 for $199. Both look to be warmer. Would like to see how they compare. The 100 is nice, my wife has one, it’s not super warm though.

[@liv-oi6vg]

The 900 isn't really very good warmth to weight wise, but I love the MT500.

[@Sam-nz9yn]

Yeah, I really want one of these outdoor gear review channels to do the MT500, because It would be a better comparison to the MontBell, IMO.

[@Ilost11]

​@@Sam-nz9yn​@Sam-nz9yn The MT500 isn't in the same class as the Montbell Plasma 1000 Alpine parka. It's almost twice the weight. Substantially more fill weight too. Montbell's analogue to the Decathalon MT500 would be the Light Alpine Parka. If it helps I've used both and prefer the Montbell. It has much better construction, seemingly warmer and better features. The shell fabric on the Decathalon feels noticeably cheaper and the chest fitment is peculiar too, it's oddly tight there while loose elsewhere else. Which isn't a problem for me with other brands. The MT100 is the only stand out down jacket Decathalon offers other than their higher end Decathalon Simmond down jacket. As the MT900 uses that same crappy shell fabric as the MT500 and no longer has 800 fill down (like MT100 and MT500).

[@chefgav1]

@@Ilost11The plasma with only 96g of 1000 won’t be warmer than the MT500

[@Ilost11]

@@chefgav1 I own both, they're both good jackets in their own right. The Montbell is noticeably better in stitching, design, DWR coating, shell fabric, fitment/cut and general attention to detail. The Montbell Alpine Down Parka in US size mediun has a 1000 down fill weight of 96 grams while the MT500 is 140g of 800 fill down. All else being equal that 96g 1000 down fill weight is equal to 120g of 800 fill down. The Decathalon jacket is a bit warmer, but the Montbell is surprisingly close, in practice whether that is a function of their unique stitching pattern or whatever else I am not sure. It's also half the weight at 236g vs 430g. The jackets are in different price categories and weight categories. The Decathalon jacket is good for what it costs, but the Montbell Plasma 1000D Alpine Parka is in a different category all together. The Plasma 1000D Alpine Down Parka is more in the weight class of the MT100 or Mountain Hardware Ghost Whisperer.

[@SummitProStore]

AHHHH life is good, the goat has posted!

[@AdamMcdel]

I love Mont-bell. The plasma 1000 has never disappointed me.

[@michaelmcgowan9518]

Great video. Best vs cost. Excellent presentation

[@DanBecker]

Thank you very much!

[@nightsazrael]

I bought the Decathalon last year and it is perfect.😁

[@millerhoo]

I love my montbell rain and puffy jacket. I purchased it directly from Japan and saved some money.

[@Sturmer69]

been using the decathlon jacket since 2019.. It has carried me through wintery Scotland and Sweden, amongst other north European destinations. Best quality / price outthere.

[@BlueHourProductions]

I've lived in Italy for the past five years and we go to Decathlon probably too much lol! Their clothing sizes run just like all European sizes and are always smaller than what Americans are use to. I got the jacket on sale for a little under €60 and have loved it. Just layer up properly for below 0° and no problem. Best in class for the money. *Also they have the MT500 version which costs a bit more but is much warmer*

[@Browneye57]

Ordered from Decathlon - quick ship, got a tarp and a pillow too. They recommended a size up on the jacket so I ordered a XL - fits perfectly. 90%duckdown, its not as nice as the REI basic puffy that was the same price on sale. But overall happy with it. $500 for ANY jacket is too rich for me. Thanks for the tip!

[@ericschwartz9982]

You buy the gear you want and that works for you and is within your budget. I never upsell myself. Absent empirically verifiable data from an object lab, most gear videos are not that all helpful. A $100 (US) jacket with proper layering works great, and I don't worry or think about it getting damaged.

[@zack8819]

I have always love your honest reviews! Thanks for helping the normies out here!

[@mudbrayFC]

Thanks for this!

[@DanBecker]

My pleasure!

[@joshwilcox8941]

Thanks for the great review! Have you ever looked at a Stone Glacier puffy? Best puffy I've ever owned

[@ChrisHufnagel_Polymath]

I have 3 Decathalon down jackets, so can confirm they are great for the money, especially when they were $80 . My latest down jacket is the REI magma 850, get at 50% discount for $125 seems like the best deal. You just have to wait for the discount unfortunately.

[@ELMANTEC]

I bought the Decathlon jacket for 40eur in Summer.2023. Feels good till about 10deg C. After that it is cold. Doesn't stop wind in any way. A bit of wind and you are freezing.

[@DanBecker]

Good to know!

[@boogeyman423]

It's rated for -5c "when moving" and 5c while resting but with a good shirt and fleece it should do 0C just fine.

[@claytondimitris284]

A coat at 10c is wild

[@DrMaddog]

Love my Decathlon thanks to your channel! Hey Dan....dig those shades....what are they?

[@GorgoScrobo]

I bought my decathlon for $60 in December 2022. It’s super warm and insanely light. No “regerts”!

[@harduphiker]

Love the MT100, wore it for ages. I now have a Fjern Arktis Stealth - warmer and has a proper drawstring hood - and was cheap in a Sportpursuit sale, only £30-40 more than the MT100. Would be interested in a heads-up between those, cos I think the loft is similar. Totally agree about layering - I'd say get the MT100 and get a decent merino base layers, would make far more difference than a down jacket.

[@markwilliams1680]

I love my MT100!!! Would I rather have the Montbell? Yes, but not at 5X the cost.

[@fathersonoutdoors7487]

Great video Dan buddy

[@emanuelmarmet]

Hi Dan ! Happy New year. Thanks for the review you made. What do you think about Enlightened Equipment Torrid Jacket ? Thx.

[@Silberpfeil1034]

The Decathlon Jacket was really the Best 60 Bucks i ever spend. Seen them used for 30 Bucks aswell Perfect deal

[@jamielahugh8316]

Nice review bud!!

[@chadhansen8581]

Could you also do a review on the Rab Mythic Alpine?? Been curious about that one too

[@evilmonstar6910]

That Decathlon jacket is the bees knees. I haven’t stopped wearing it since I got mine a month ago on your recommendation

[@clsch7513]

Great DEcathlon jacket - I take it everwhere and it looks brandnew, too, after 2 years :-.) Downside: No inner pocket and the hood cannot be adjusted But for that price....

[@ivanalban5037]

I'm a solid medium in everything except this jacket. Definitely size up.

[@Sam-nz9yn]

The Forclaz MT500 Hooded down jacket would be more of a better comparison because of just the warmth factor in all this. Its a new product that was recently released and costs $149. Its just a beefier MT100, I think? So, far no one has reviews how for it yet. I'd love it if you guys could get your hands on one and test it out!

[@JRoss707]

For $79 it was definitely one of the best kept backpacking clothing secrets out there, especially for puffy jackets. Now that it’s $100 I’m not so sure I’d buy it again at that price. Costco has a 650 down Eddie Bauer puffy jacket, ultralight weight, for $39. I’d love to see a review on it.

[@harveychapman3843]

I have the EB jacket. It's been great, but I think I'm ready for a warmer and smaller packing jacket. I've used it camping and for a lightweight trip to Italy. At around 40F, I was warm (idle, not moving too much) only with a wool base layer, the puffy, and a rain jacket for wind break. I run hot normally.

[@michaelolsson5193]

I have MT100 but without the hoodie. Think it cost me about $70 in Sweden. I love the jacket, it was a great buy.

[@DanBecker]

Nice!

[@zawstory]

I got 55 US$ the Hardland Down Jacket and it is pretty good. It smells like duck at the beginning but it went away slowly or I got used to it. :D

[@rockymountboy]

I'm pretty happy with my Amazon Essentials Hooded Puffer jacket - $35. F17AE10004 15.7 oz. Synthetic fill (which I want), not down, but still very packable. And the zipper is American. :-)

[@SarahRote]

As a cold person, I absolutely did not feel as warm as Dan claims with the Decathlon. I needed a fleece with my puffy for freezing temps *while sitting around camp*, I don't wear a puffy while hiking. Still hard to beat on price to weight, unless you're looking at second-hand gear.

[@MrDopeddoped]

In europe its 65 euro the decathlon one, near 71dollars. its great mine its 2 years and i wear it everywhere... mountain streets, and its imaculate. For the Hood you dont really need the ajustement cords, it fits really well.. i might buy in another colour soon

[@gregorymock]

Hey Dan, I work in a outdoor gear store in Australia and I have never seen you guys in America look at Rab products, i just purchased the Rab Mythic Alpine which is also an amazing jacket, but i think you would like the Rab Mythic G specifically for its TILT technology.

[@imahuman1996]

A good European alternative to the montbell is the Rab mythic G. 4.5oz 1000 fill goose down with TILT in a 9.8oz jacket.

[@Away.Aweigh.A.Way.]

I would love to see where you feel the Outdoor Vitals NovaPro fits in this lineup and which you would recommend. I personally think it’s the best cold weather puffy I’ve ever used, to include the Montbell in this video. Great video, dude 👍🏻

[@DanBecker]

Check out the video I made. I recommended at the end of this video. It has that jacket and a bunch more.

[@benvaudin]

Hey Dan - Love the videos and the channel. I was just wondering if you've tried the new Rab Mythic G jacket? Montbell gear is a little harder to get hold of over here in the UK so I brought one of these and I'm loving it. I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts on the Rab vs Montbell.

[@Godsandearths91]

I would really like to see that Plasma puffy up against the new Rab Mythic G.

[@philsmith2444]

My go-to down jacket for the past 5 or 6 years is the EMS Feather Pack hooded down jacket. Stupid name, great jacket. It’s heavier than the Decathlon (17.5oz for current models, my old model is 15oz), has 5oz 800FP hydrophobic goose down (mine has 5.5oz), and fabric is DWR 32g/m2 nylon. It’s quite a bit more expensive at a $250 MSRP. They’re almost always available for $125-150. If I was in the market for a new lightweight down jacket I’d probably give Decathlon a try if they have something with similar down fill numbers. Warmth is my first criterion, followed by packability and light weight.

[@flybyguy1450]

Unless I need maximum warmth for truly cold conditions (like -f) I personally see the stitch through construction as a plus for puffy jackets. It helps them to breath a little bit.

[@riopradipto4287]

this decathlon jacket is insane, It's soo good and I recommend this to friends to get this. also better to try it in a store with layers But yes, the zipper is not the best haha, other than that, this decathlon jacket is the best bang for the buck

[@kuukan4]

Awesome video! I am a huge Montbell fan! As someone who's barely 5 feet tall their Japanese sizing is so friendly for petite women. Also love that they provide aid to areas struck by natural disasters.

[@Athlas87]

I live in WA, my REI puffy for 80$ has been all over including a raisnforest and it works you will never see me in a jacket that is expensive because a name.

[@wanderingaloudwithmark3057]

Hey Dan you might want to check out Eddie Bauer sometime. Their" First Ascent Line" is pretty decent. I would put the jackets in the mid range price point. I've used the micro therm 800 fill and liked it as an insulating layer under my shell while skiing.

[@brookforeman2592]

I just got the decathlon jacket and wiw its really nice.

[@thomasbernardi8428]

@DanBecker good review, thank you for that! Any experiences if the jacket looses down feather through the shell fabric? Other doubt that I have: the jacket seems a little bit thin, maybe warm enough during hiking, but is the jacket warm enough by -5°C/-10°C (23°F or 14°F) if you make a break?

[@montyollie]

Adore my decathlon as well as my OR Illuminate. My only complaint about Decathlon is no interior pockets

[@troik_live]

Fun fact on the zipper 02:22: In Europe, usually the zipper on men's clothes zips on the left while for the ladies they have the zipper on the right (same with shirt buttons). When I had my first Columbia jacket I was confused if I accidently got myself a women's jacket, but then I learned, Americans just do things the other way round

[@christopherlamb8297]

My decathlon has been great. When i got it, i worried that the zipper would be the weak link but no issues after a year. I would like an interior or chest pocket

[@potato-fk8jt]

The cost difference is WAY greater in the U.K, The Montbell would cost £448, or $570! Whilst the Decathlon only costs the equivalent of $76, meaning that it's 7.6 times the price. So it is really a no-brainer over here!

[@rory_odonnell]

Dan made me buy it!

[@ofthenearfuture]

I really love my Trek 100, it's been a fantastic jacket for me! But Decathalon kind of shafts the US in this case, it's still only $65USD in Canada ;)

[@dominicmanzella5493]

I want to recommend Mammut brand jackets here because not only do they make products of incredible quality, but they are Bluesign certified, meaning they meet the standards for sustainability and environmental impact from this watchdog group. Bluesign happens to be the group with some of the strictest standards for environmental impact, so it's nice to know I'm putting my money into a company that commits to keeping their manufacturing processes more sustainable. Dan I think you'd really like their jackets.

[@aithney]

base layer + Trek 100 + any windbreaker = perfection down to -10 °C, unless you camp